is a forward-looking effort. so, you know, i would continue to focus on that. i noticed the ad she has out today leans into an economic populist message which i think is smart, even if it's maybe not my cup of tea. >> yeah, it'll be tough to imagine joe biden with megan thee stallion on stage, but i would have paid for that visual, too. all right. contributor to the conservative website "the bulwark," tim miller, thank you so much for waking up so early and joining us. i know it's not your cup of tea, but i appreciate it. thank you for getting up "way too early" with us on this tuesday morning. we've got "morning joe" starting right about now. how good is josh shapiro? well, he's gotten a heck of a lot done in just over -- well, in over the last year and a half. it's another example of democratic governors who believe in our three-part strategy. get [ bleep ] done. >> this election isn't just about a name on the ballot. it's an election about all of us

and what it is that we're willing to fight for. what it is that we're willing to work for. and what kind of future we want to build for our children and our grandchildren. i don't know about you. i want a future that is cleaner and greener. i want a future with better schools and safer streets. i want a future with more freedom, not less. and i want a future where i can look the 47th president of the united states in the eye and say, "hello, madam president!" i hope you're with me. let us get to work. thank you! >> that was michigan governor gretchen whitmer and then pennsylvania governor josh shapiro rallying for vice president kamala harris yesterday just outside of philadelphia. it comes as the veep stakes really heating up, with one person bowing out and another now emerging as a possible

contender. we'll bring you the very latest on that. meanwhile, donald trump is defending his choice for a running mate in jd vance's past comments on childless cat ladies. we'll show you what trump had to say. plus, the former president has still not committed to debating harris. and last night, he made several excuses for why he may skip the event. good morning. welcome to "morning joe." it is tuesday, july 30th. i'm jonathan lemire. joe and mika continue their vacation this week, but you'll see them back in the event of any big, breaking news. willie is in paris covering the olympics. we will check in with him a little later this hour. but with us now, we do have msnbc political analyst elise jordan. she is a former aide to the george w bush state department.

the puck's john heilemann. eugene robinson is here from "the washington post." and the bulwark's sam stein. good group as we get rolling this morning. we'll begin with politics. vice president kamala harris will be in atlanta today for her first georgia campaign rally as a presidential candidate. the harris campaign says its operation in georgia is the largest of any democratic campaign in history. it has mobilized hundreds of staff members across two dozen field offices. georgia has also seen a real surge in volunteers with more than 7,500 currently signed up in just one week. harris' atlanta appearance coincides with an endorsement from the state's former lieutenant governor. that's republican geoff duncan, crossing party lines there. in an opinion piece in "the atlanta journal constitution," duncan argued yesterday that harris is the only viable means of defeating trump in november.

today's rally in georgia is the harris campaign's first step in its new plan to ramp up efforts in those key battleground states that are going to decide this election. the campaign reports more than 250 coordinated field offices across major swing states. it also has 600 staff members on the ground in the so-called blue wall states. states that have largely voted democrat in the last several presidential elections with an additional 150 staff planned to join next month. harris's team said its volunteer numbers are growing, as well. by the start of this week, the campaign had gained 360,000 volunteers. as for her republican opponent, donald trump sat down for an interview with fox news host laura ingraham last night where he continued his attacks against harris's intellect and once again hedged on whether or not he would debate her. >> she's sort of incompetent. she's not very smart, but she's very radical.

very radical. she got rid of the laugh, i noticed i haven't seen the crazy laugh. she's crazy. that laugh, that's the laugh of a crazy person, but i noticed that she's not using that laugh anymore. somebody convinced her, don't laugh. just don't laugh. i want to do a debate, but i also can say this. everybody knows who i am, and now people know who she is. she's a radical left lunatic. she'll destroy our country. she wants open borders. >> why not debate her? >> well, wait. because they already know everything. i'm leading in the polls by i think a lot. i don't know. i hear different numbers, but i'm leading in the polls. i'm leading big in the swing states. i don't like rewarding fake news. i don't like rewarding the people that have been there. if they're going to make tens of millions of dollars with this debate. >> in response to the comments, the harris campaign released a statement accusing the gop nominee of being scared. adding that vice president harris will be on the debate stage september 10th. donald trump can show up or not.

eugene robinson, let's start here with these attacks, these new attacks that trump is trying out on harris, about her intellect, about her laugh. seems to be the mark of a campaign that doesn't really know yet how to go after its new opponent. >> they don't have a clue at this point how to go after kamala harris. they were all set up. they had their plan a to go after joe biden's age and fragility. now, obviously, they can't do that. so what do they do? they go straight to she's a woman. do they go straight to she's a black and south asian woman? you know, this idea of trying to attack her intelligence makes absolutely no sense given who she is and what she has achieved in her life. so they just don't know what to do.

i mean, they're spinning their meal wheels at this point. we'll see. i assume at some point they'll come out with a more or less coordinated attack strategy, but they're nowhere near that now. >> elise, it would seem, as eugene said, some of the attacks are borderline sexist or flat out sexist, and trump himself has not used dei, that phrasing as much as a lot of his fellow republicans have, but it's all a part of the same attack line. it seems to me that, you know, there is still that sliver of people in this country who don't know yet who they're voting for. some are women. some are men who will be defended by this. >> kamala harris is not defined yet by the majority of american voters, except for donald trump's base. they have their impression of kamala harris. that's obviously not going to change. other than that, he needs to get to work. his campaign needs to get to work. this has been over a week and a half, and they haven't really

landed an attack on her that's resonating. they are just so all over the place. you hear, you know, oh, she's not that bright. she failed with the border. it's not coordinated. that's not a drum beat going. as of now, i just -- i would not give them a very high score on being able to define her. also, trump seems very scared and weak about the debate. jason miller came on with chris jansing on this network and said that donald trump definitely would debate, and that was not what trump was saying last night to laura ingraham. he seemed to be hedging in a big way. >> there's worry about these attacks. on fox business, host stewart varney criticized trump for calling vice president harris dumb. >> i've been hearing a lot from women. they are not happy with what trump has been saying and some of the language he is using about kamala harris. it is insulting. i've been out and about over the weekend. when donald trump called kamala harris dumb, that was a profound

mistake, in my opinion. women react to that kind of thing, and so they should. i mean, don't you think you should tone down the language? okay, get through to the central message, by all means, but tone the language down. he said he was going to be nice, and then he say, i'm not going to be nice. i think that's a mistake. >> john heilemann, your latest column for "puck" is titled, "the harris honeymoon and team k's quest to make it last." nine days in, it has. we're seeing republicans flail a bit in terms of how to respond. where does this go next? >> they're flailing more than a bit. the flailing has been kind of comprehensive over the course of the period. i will say that we got a preview, i think, of what some of this is going to look like when dave mccormack put up the ad focused almost exclusively on her being successfully liberal. i think if you talk to people

around kamala harris, that they recognize that she put -- there's a lot of baggage, issues baggage, which it all comes from the period of time when she was running in the democratic primary in 2020. the whole party was running, except for joe biden. turned out that joe biden made the right bet. joe biden was who he was, which was a moderate kind of center-left democrat. the rest of the party lurched very far to the left on a lot of questions. that mccormick ad laid out the stuff that paints her as too extreme for the center. the trump campaign got the first ads on the air. not the super pac. those are a boiled down version of this ad, about 2 minutes long. they have a real ad out now that trump put up on truth social yesterday. i think the focus of their efforts is going to be to try to paint her -- and trump has been hitting this in his speeches, too, though he is all over the place -- he keeps coming pack to

she's extreme, liberal, uses san francisco. how it'll stick is anyone's guess. there is no question that focus, if you are trying to define someone, focus is almost, almost more than what you focus on, focus in some way. certainly, this is not a vulnerability the harris people are unaware of. the question for them is how fast they can get up on defense. that is a whole other discussion we can have. you know, they have a lot to do in a very short period of time. >> they do. they're certainly raising a ton of money. at this point, they have media coverage. they haven't spent much yet, but it'll change and change quickly. republican strategist karl rove warns donald trump needs to regain control of the campaign narrative, saying the former president is clearly in a subordinate role compared to vice president harris. rove made the argument on fox news over the weekend while outlining what both harris and trump need over the next few weeks to bolster their campaigns. let's take a listen. >> so this is what harris has

got to go between now and the end of the month. introduce herself. we know she's the vice president. how does she want to frame herself for the general election? she needs to figure out how she's going after trump. she's got to pick a vice president, and the vice president has got to immediately say, you know what? she demonstrated the leadership, that that person would be capable of being president if something bad happened. that makes us feel better about her leadership abilities. she's got to have a convention that unifies the democratic party and has a positive impact on the american voter. then the week after i think is going to be critical. august 19th, the democratic convention starts. what that means is they have one week after that convention, one week and a couple of days before labor day. that's going to be, i think, attitudes by labor day are going to be really important. she needs to come blowing out of that convention in chicago and showing big crowds and lots of enthusiasm. trump, he has difficulties, too.

he's got to frame harris. he's got to find the right message to go after her. because we have 101 days as of today. he's got to get back in control of the dialogue. he is clearly in a subordinate role here. he feels uncomfortable with it, i suspect, and he likes being the guy who is setting the tempo of the campaign. that's not happening. think about this, neil. nine national polls since joe biden announced on the 19th he's not running. take the nine polls. it is trump by 0.88%. that's basically nine-tenths of 1%. that's after he gets the bump coming out of the convention that really showed a unity for the republican ticket and the republican party. this is going to be a barnburner. it's very much up for grabs, and the next two, three weeks are going to be critical for both camps. >> sam stein, the whole premise of the trump/biden campaign from the trump's perspective was

strength versus weakness. i can only imagine the reaction at mar-a-lago to the phrase, subordinate role. >> oh. >> yeah. well, first of all, i need whiteboards. how many whiteboards does he have? >> good penmanship. >> yeah. there was an interesting report that emerged yesterday. private fundraising remarks from jd vance. he acknowledged that vice president harris essentially reset the race. the public posture from the trump campaign is nothing has changed. they're continuing with their plan as is. they feel very confident in their path to victory. but for him to admit that privately really does illustrate the degree to which this race is now different. i do agree with everyone else, that the trump campaign is, to a certain degree, flailing to try to find what the right counterpunch is here. i think we're going to get a real window into it in the next couple days. i noticed reports this morning that the trump campaign is out with a new ad, its first for the harris era as the democratic

nominee. it's going to focus on immigration, which is not a surprise, honestly. immigration has been the bedrock issue for trump since he emerged in 2016. it's probably the one issue he consistently has hammered over and over and over again. on top of that, harris was in charge of migration from the northern triangle early in the biden administration. so this, i think, is going to be the predominant focus, which portends a very nasty, ugly close to the campaign in which we will have a lot of anti-immigrant rhetoric that trump will push forward. i think the harris response is going to be, look, we look action. we being she and president biden with this executive action. you tried to and effectively torpedos a bipartisan deal to, you know, handle the border. it goes to show you how significant that executive action was that biden took in the spring at neutralizing some of these attacks.

>> john heilemann, i think immigration clearly going to be front and center in this election. it is harris's perhaps greatest vulnerability. her team acknowledges that privately. we also need to figure out how it'll play in the battleground states. i don't want to skip past that today. harris is going to be in georgia. a state that the biden team a month, couple months back, even pre-debate, said might be slipping away. they felt arizona the same. north carolina always felt like a little bit of a reach. they were really, particularly post debate, put in a memo, said, our only path to win, pennsylvania, wisconsin, michigan. do we think the map has expanded for harris? >> well, here are the things -- i'll do my own karl rove thing, though he is a world class trolling of trump there. don't think the subordinate thing was a slip of the tongue by karl rove. >> deeply personal. >> i think they have three weeks before the convention starts. if you include the convention week, which is key to introducing or reintroducing

kamala harris to the american people, you have four weeks. a million things to do. you're starting -- luckily for them, they're not starting from a start. they're inheriting some of the operation. changes at the top, naturally. they have to do something donald trump failed to successfully do, nail the vp selection. huge thing. another thing they have to do, get on the air, as we were talking about. figuring out how they're going to, in paid media in the battleground states, figure out how to define the candidate and defend against the incoming republicans are going to have. the third thing is your point, jonathan. they have to reset the map. there's no doubt that, on the basis of what we know from public data, the surge in enthusiasm for her with non-white voters, particularly african-americans, and with young voters, suggests she'd be in a better position to compete in the sun belt states, whether it is north carolina, georgia,

arizona, and nevada. all of them could be more competitive for her than they were for joe biden. also, biden's one remaining strength was with older white voters. part of the reason the blue wall looked like a good path, maybe the only path, is he had an unusual degree of strength with seniors, white seniors in the midwest. she may be less competitive in pennsylvania, wisconsin, and michigan than joe biden was. there's a ton of research that team k needs to get done in this period. they've got, you know -- she is -- she's been vice president the whole time. the amount of research done on an incumbent vice president is almost none. compared to someone at the top of the ticket, you know exactly how they're perceived by every important slice of the demographic, every part of the electorate, that does not exist. they're racing out there right now to try to figure out what are her strengths? what are her weaknesses?

what can be built on? what has to be defended against? huge amount of stuff in a very, very short period of time. next up on "morning joe," we'll continue this conversation. as mentioned, harris needs to nail her vp pick. donald trump might have missed. he's trying to defend his running mate amid growing backlash over jd vance's past comments about childless cat ladies. plus, we'll take a look at the reaction to president biden's proposal to dramatically overhaul the supreme court. democratic congresswoman mikie sherrill, who introduced a scotus ethics bill earlier this year, will join us to weigh in on that. also ahead, democratic senator gary peters is our guest, as labor leaders urge the harris campaign to consider him as a potential running mate. you're watching "morning joe." we're back in just 90 seconds. whooo! 20% off subs is fun to say 20% off subs are fun to eat you'll love 20% off subs

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the substance of what i actually said. the substance of what i said, i'm sorry, it's true. it is true that we've become anti-family. it is true that the left has become anti-child. it is simply true that it's become way too hard to raise a family. >> really what i'm trying to get at here, trey, is it is important to be pro-family as a country. of course for a whole host of reasons, it's not going to work out for some people. we should pray for those people and, of course, have sympathy for them. i still think that means we should be pro-family generally speaking as a party. i think our country has become particularly hard for parents, especially under the policies of kamala harris. >> i think he was on a podcast where he was asked about aoc's statement that she said in the past, that, you know, i don't know about having kids with climate change and the world in turbulence. that was his response to it. but it was brought up by trey gowdy, the story about meeting two nuns. greatest americans who love

america. what about george washington? never had kids. does that make him a bad american? he went ahead and said no. there's people who try to have kids or don't want kids and are great americans. he wanted to explain himself. the question is when you're explaining, you're usually losing. that's all they want, is him to sit there the whole time and explain the comments. >> when you're explaining, you're usually losing. fox news host brian kilmeade with that take on senator jd vance and his continued attempts to tamp down the backlash from his already infamous childless cat ladies comment. meanwhile, in his interview last night on fox, donald trump tried to defend his running mate over those remarks. >> he's not against anything. he loves family. it's very important to him. he grew up in a very interesting family situation, and he feels family is good. i don't think there's anything wrong in saying that. now, they took that as an indication that people that

don't have families -- look -- >> it is an easy opening, right? >> oh, so crazy. >> it's easy. >> i know so many people that they never met the right person, male or female, they never met the right person. they're unbelievable. they're every bit as good as anybody else that has the most beautiful family. >> what do you say to women out there watching? he's addressed it, but what do you say to women watching who might not have kids? >> i think they understand it. no, i think they understand it. >> i'm not sure they do. eugene, your latest column for "the washington post" is titled, "no, really, republicans are getting weirder." jd vance appears to be exhibit a. >> yeah, he's absolutely exhibit a. i mean, come on! okay, so he says this really kind of stupid, geeky, weird, dorm room, late at night kind of thing, right? he tosses off this insult about childless cat ladies, trying to be clever with tucker carlson.

it coms pack to haunt him. he can't just take it back and say, gee, that was a really, really dumb thing to say. i really regret it. no, he kind of doubles down and doubles down because that's what he's expected to do if you're donald trump's running mate. you can never back down, right? he says, well, you know, you have to focus on the substance. well, the substance of what he was talking about is, like, really crazy, about how if you have kids, you ought to be able to vote more times in an election than a single person. just all this sort of really, really weird stuff. this is -- you know, this is who he is. i think this is going to keep sort of cropping up. now, we have in vance and trump, one of the, like, weirdest tickets that i can recall. these are two really unusual

people who say and do weird things. trump is out talking about the, you know, shark and the poet and the -- boat and the battery. the late, great cannibal lector with his weirdnesses. now, you have jd vance. then you have this dynamic between the two of them which is going to be fascinating. because you can imagine how happy donald trump is to have to be explaining away the kind of odd words of his vice presidential candidate, his running mate. now, he is going to have to explain away what the "post" reported jd vance said in a fundraiser about how, well, gee, i don't know if running against kamala harris, when they change candidates, that was a sucker punch. we have to regroup. we just don't quite know how to

run against her. trump is not going to like that either. this is going to be fascinating. but it's weird. >> sam, not only is it weird, but for the first time in a long time, certainly in months if not more during this campaign, trump has had to be reactive. they are not setting the agenda. they are, actually, in that subordinate role, at least in terms of news cycles at the moment. it is a claim that's clearly making him deeply uncomfortable. you know, there's certainly a lot of republicas already pointing fingers, really second guessing the choice of vance. >> yeah. i mean, we have to remember, it wasn't that long ago, four-week period, roughly, post debate to when joe biden dropped out, where we had this abnormal situation that trump was out of the public eye in a strategic reason for it. he usually likes to, you know, commandeer the public eye, public stage. in this case, he was staying

away because all the focus was on joe biden. now to your point, highly reactive to both kamala harris's ascension and also the choice of vance. i think vance was chosen from a position of strength. they felt like they were going to win the election. they want to, you know, rack up margins with the white male vote, which they had worried about drifting to biden. they also just felt like they were on auto drive. now, they're looking back and wondering, did they make a mistake? could they have expanded the coalition? more to the point, could they have chosen a vice presidential nominee who didn't come up in this current media ecosystem where you go on these podcasts, you go on tucker carlson, where you post blogs, all in an effort to reach the more fridgier elements of your party, because that's what it takes to win a primary and get you into your senate seat. this is what tripped up vd vance. i think part of the problem, obviously, is he insulted cats,

childless people. the other part of the problem is it is this weird, abrupt evolution from a guy talking about, in sympathetic, empathetic terms, growing up in ohio, appalachia. the communities that were left behind. now, is talking about, in angry terms, people who don't have kids. i think that's really jarring for a lot of voters to see. >> on this, elise, you have more for us from your recent focus groups out of wisconsin on the issue of running mates. tell us a little bit about what you heard from voters. >> so the progressive voters that i spoke with in wisconsin were incredibly motivated to defeat donald trump. it's not just the former president, though, that these voters find offputting. it is also jd vance. let's hear from those voters. >> what do you think of jd vance? >> i've only heard one sound bite, and that was enough. >> strange fellow. >> yeah. >> what do you think, anthony? >> he's just such an odd person. he's proven himself, and i think

this is why trump loves him so much, he's proven himself personally to trump to be exquisitely valuable, right? because he started off, his narrative, about trump just totally tearing him apart, excoriating him. just over time, just like a lot of other lawmakers on the right, they kissed the ring and made that transition. there's been very few people that surpassed vance in that respect. i think he's, as far as trump is concerned, he's really earned that position. >> my mom is from appalachia, rural western north carolina. my whole family goes back generations there. the tva saved my family. my grandma had burlap sacks for underwear. i am instilled in that every day when i talk to my mom. she always says, don't forget

that. and i find his depiction of people from appalachia to be so offensive. he got out and sold his book, and he doesn't go back. he doesn't talk about his family. they're just a sad story about poor america, instead of what they are, which is victims of exactly the kind of price gouging, capitalist narcissist he's decided to become a part of. >> i also asked the progressive voters who they thought kamala harris should pick as her running mate. take a listen. >> who would be your top choice for kamala harris to pick as her vice president? >> tim walz. minnesota governor. got a very progressive record, speaks very well on camera. i'm a midwestern guy in a region of the country that the democrats absolutely need to win.

>> i agree. i actually was going to say tim walz, as well. he's done a remarkable job in minnesota. he's in the similar vein to tony evers, sort of the, like, fun, schoolteacher kind of guy. >> i'm a big gretchen whitmer fan, even though i imagine that they're probably going to be, like -- >> i want her to run for president. >> i want four years of kamala. i could be wrong, and i'd love to be proven wrong, but i feel like it's realistic there are going to be a lot of people insisting there not be two women on the ticket. however, i would still love that. >> i'm really ashamed of myself because i wasn't thinking about two women running on the same ticket. >> it's okay. there's no shame. there's no shame. >> well, you know, i want to believe that i'm kind of highly evolved and everything, but i just fell right into place, assuming she needed to have a white male next to her. i'm undecided about it. you know, i still have to do more research about it. but i'm really optimistic about

her choice. i think it is going to be someone who is kind of forward looking and can make some decent changes. >> heilemann, what do you make of those voters and their reaction to jd vance and then some of the names they were banding about for potential vp picks for kamala harris? >> well, they seem to be, like many progressives, they seem to be ravenous consumers of political media. they're having that conversation at the level of pundits. they know -- these are not the people reacting on a gut level. like, they're absorbing a lot of political media, as people who are partisans sometimes do. i think, you know, they listed the names on their short list, the same names on the public short lists, the ones we see. i think what you found is something we've all seen now. the world has proven, in another universe, the focus group of the progressives could be, how is the harris selection going?

but we already know how it is going with progressives. what you could see in that group was they are on board with her, and they're already moving on to the next thing. they're not like, wow, what's happened over here, which is how a lot of these voters in the center have been. they're already on board with kamala harris, and they're already looking to these other questions about legacy. i heard one person there talk about who should succeed her in the white house, i believe. gretchen whitmer might be her successor. they're looking down the road a little bit. >> sam, update on the veep stakes. north carolina governor cooper bowed out, saying he was in the vetting process but no longer wants to be involved. labor is pushing for michigan senator gary peters, who is our guest later on in the show. we saw the governors shapiro and whitmer campaigning for harris yesterday. gretchen whitmer, michigan governor on our air yesterday made clear she's not part of this. we see a few other names there. governor beshear of kentucky. secretary buttigieg. senator kelly of arizona.

governor pritzker perhaps on the outside right now. what is the latest you've heard as to what team harris is thinking and when they'll make this decision? >> they have to make a decision soon because the deadline is coming up for the nomination. they have to get the ballots. you know, it's down really to three. it's what i'm hearing. tim walz, mark kelly, and josh shapiro. obviously, there's some other names in the mix. pete buttigieg, gary peters, as much as we want to promote him on "morning joe," probably an outsider. but look, what i took away from elise's focus group was the end remark, forward looking. that's what they want. i think that's what harris's team is looking for, too. this is -- they have the virtue of being able to say, with biden dropping out, they are creating a generational contrast with trump. they've been handed the luxury of making a selection about the future, even though they are the incumbent party. i think what they want to do

here is they want to supplement the ticket with someone who can help them make that contrast. all those people can to a degree, but a young governor probably does the best. i'll leave it at that. >> all right. sam stein reading tea leaves for us. we appreciate it. coming up next here, we switch to the olympics and team usa added eight more medals to its total. we'll have an update on the competition at the summer games there in france. plus, our own willie geist, yes, willie geist will join us live from paris. "morning joe" will be right back. ♪ i am, i cried ♪ [ laughing ] ♪ i am, said i ♪ ♪ and i am lost and i can't ♪ punch buggy red. ♪ even say why ♪ ♪ i am, i said ♪

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taking the bronze. since 2008, for the first time, the men's gymnastics team finished on the podium, thanks to a clutch routine on the pommel horse from nedoroscik, securing the bronze medal. the u.s. won three of six available olympic medals in men's street skateboarding. aetons added a bronze. nyjah huston won bronze for his first olympic medal. nick itcan became the first american man to win a medal in individual foil, earning bronze in his individual debut. meanwhile, the u.s. women's rugby team beat great britain to advance to the ever appearance in the games's semifinals.

stewart led to a 102-76 blowout in the opener. team usa leads the games in the overall medal count. japan, though, has so far captured the most golds. let's bring in our own willie geist who joins us live from paris. willie, great to see you. so that's some of the highlights from yesterday. what are you watching for today? >> good morning. good afternoon from a steamy paris. we've been treated to a mild first week, 78, 80 degrees. it's summer in paris now, about 95 degrees today for those competitors outside. but safely inside the gym, this is the one a lot of people have circled on the calendar. the first time a medal round for simone biles, when it is the team competition, gymnastics coming up around 12:15 eastern time, 6:15 in the evening here. this could be another gold medal for simone biles who, of course, is a legend already in the world of gymnastics. this team favored to win it all.

they got silver in tokyo after winning gold the previous two olympics. looking for a bit of redemption. also a great storyline coming up later, 9:30 a.m. eastern time is the u.s. women's rugby team advancing to the semifinals. they're going to play new zealand in one semifinal. they're guaranteed to play for a medal. if they win in that, they go to the gold medal. but if they lose, they have a shot at bronze later today. that's a lot of fun. now, the picture everyone is talking about, john, this morning is this one, about 10,000 miles away from where i'm standing in tahiti, where they're holding the surfing competition. this is gabriel nadina, a surreal photograph. he set an olympic record with a 9.9 score. now a favorite to win the gold medal. this is him after his dismount. the wave has kicked him off, he's floating through the air, already celebrating because he

knows what he did. you can look at that all day. looks like something out of photoshop. that's the real thing. gabriel medina floating in tahiti. you mentioned nick itkin from fencing. the paris buildings have been turned into these air arenas. the grand palais last night, i didn't know i was a fan until i walked in there. two french women were competing for the medal. also a lot of team usa fans watching nick itkin winning the bronze medal. that is a glass ceiling. it's a famous building. you've seen it in movies before. at the bottom of the

champs-elysees. just to see it in person, it delivers. it exceeds expectations when you're watching at 10:00 at night, a rock 'n' roll beach volleyball match in the shadow of the eiffel tower. we're less than a week in, already a lot of good news, as you said, for team usa. leading the medal count. they'd like to win a few more golds and perhaps that happens today. simone biles gets on the mat with that team usa gymnastics competition, john. we're doing well so far. a lot road ahead. >> simone biles the spotlight today. you're right to note how paris has done a wonderful job using their faye mount landmarks as venues, backdrops. the photograph of the surfer, extraordinary. however, he wouldn't be able to do that on the seine right now. there is water pollution

concerns that canceled some events. give us the latest as to, are they going to be able to use paris's famed river for the games? >> this has been a decade long concern. paris and france spent $1.5 billion over the last decade to decontaminate, effectively, the river. now, they had rain, as everyone saw friday during the opening ceremonies, so they had runoff from the streets into the seine. they had it, they thought, in a good place. they took tests this morning and determined it was not safe for the swimmers to go in for the triathlon. not canceled but postponed until tomorrow. you have the men's and women's now triathlon happening on the same day. they are optimistic that they'll be able to run those races. they'll be able to swim those races in the river. obvious, the swimming competitions, katie ledecky and the rest are held in an arena somewhere else. the marathon swim and the triathlon swims do take place in the seine, which as of right

now, officials have determined not safe for swimming. optimistic those swimmers finally can get in the water tomorrow. >> willie geist live for us in paris, thank you, my friend. we'll talk to you later this week. next up here on "morning joe," "vanity fair's" molly jong-fast will join us with her new piece that argues female autonomy could be demolished if donald trump were to return to power. plus, democratic senators richard blumenthal and gary peters will be guests to discuss their support for vice president harris and the stakes of november's election. also ahead, we'll speak with a republican mayor in a key battleground state on why he is now fully backing harris's bid over fellow gop member donald trump. "morning joe" will be right back. [coughing]

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live shot of the u.s. capitol. looks like an overcast and muggy washington, d.c. this morning at 6:52 a.m. on the east coast. so there was a pointed exchange on fox news yesterday when host neil cavuto pushed back on republican senator john kennedy, when kennedy called vice president kamala harris a dingdong and a loon. here's part of the conversation.

>> the polling that i've seen shows that many americans think that the vice president is not a serious person, as i said, that she is a bit of a dingdong. number two, that she is a member of the loon wing of the democratic party. >> i'm just wondering how you think that'll resonate with women when she's called nasty, crazy, a dingdong, disrespectful between you and the president, what has been said about her. i'm wondering, to you worry how that comes across? maybe you draw no distinction between a male and female candidate, but that this could hurt you with female voters with these type of comments. >> well, let me say it again. >> sure. >> the vice president is a candidate for president of the united states. i don't care about her gender. neil, maybe you do, but i don't. i don't care about her race. i care about her competence. >> why call her a dingdong? then why call her a dingdong? >> i'm telling you what the

polling shows. and it does, and i'll be glad to sit down with you and walk you through the polls. >> please do. i never know when it is constructive to call people names, you know, senator? on the left or the right. we'll see. >> i'm sorry if it hurts your feelings, but let me say it again. >> senator, you keep bringing it back to my feelings. my feelings matter little. all i'm telling you is you think you can gain this november calling people names, i don't know how far that goes, left or right, but we'll see. it's early, to your point. >> your feelings seem to me like they matter to you a lot, neil. i'm trying to be objective here. let me say it again. >> are you really? are you really being objective, senator? i just think you've got a name calling thing with her. if you call that being objective, i don't know. but, senator, i do want to thank you for coming. >> well, thank you for having me, neil. i hope you have a better day. >> yeah, so do i.

i hope you have a better day. >> good for neil cavuto. gene robinson, i mean, there it is. that's what the republicans are doing. >> yeah, really, dingdong. they should just keep that up, okay? you know, i think the senator is right, call her names all you want and see what that brings ya. i hope the senator has a better day. >> it's really rich for senator kennedy to just, in his hokey southern accent, to call her names and say polling backs it up. i've not seen any polls where that, her intelligence is belittled, demeaned. this shows they do not have a solid attack right now. if all they're doingcalling, th at the surface because she's a

pretty successful career woman. they are not doing well at this at all. >> there is no polling about dingdong or loony. senator kennedy went to oxford. >> not the right one. >> not the right one from elise jordan. president joe biden criticized the recent supreme court ruling on presidential immunity, while also calling for major reforms to the highest court in the land. we'll play for you biden's comments and reactions from republicans when "morning joe" comes right back. (vo) dan made progress with his mental health, but his medication caused unintentional movements in his face, hands, and feet called tardive dyskinesia, or td. so his doctor prescribed austedo xr— a once-daily, extended-release td treatment for adults. ♪ as you go with austedo ♪

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the pundits all said it couldn't happen, but it did happen, and the republicans are not very happy about it! >> they just steam rolled democracy. >> the democrats are trying to hijack democracy. >> the ultimate election interference. >> this was a coup inside the democratic party. >> coup d'etat. >> a bloodless coup. [ laughter ]

>> but i get it. i thought i had this thing in the bag, and you were going to be going up against old joe biden, then they pull this. i'd be like, ref, ref, open your eyes! how can you not see they're couping? they're couping? by the way, i love that guy's disappoint in the phrase, bloodless coup. there was a bloodless coup. what kind of fun is that? at least we brought bear spray and nunchuckses. but you know what? i do understand that they're upset. it make sense. how about we do this? out of fairness, i'm a fair person. you can replace your old guy, too. >> there it is. jon stewart. welcome back to "morning joe." it is tuesday, july 30th. i'm jonathan lemire holding down the fort for joe, mika, and willie. elise jordan and eugene robinson are still with us. now joining the conversation, we

have host of the podcast "on brand with donny deutsch," donny deutsch. special correspondent at "vanity fair" and host of the "fast politics" podcast, molly jong-fast. and president of the national action network and host of "politics nation," the reverend al sharpton. rev, you travelled with president biden yesterday to texas and back. we'll get into the substance of what the president announced there a little bit later, but we can see here this picture. you're with the president on air force one. tell us a little bit about your day. >> well, the president had committed to coming to austin, texas, to commemorate the 60th anniversary of president lyndon johnson signing the civil rights act at the lbj library. one of the daughters of the president, president johnson, lyndon johnson, flew with the

delegation from the senate, as you see a few senators and congress people went. marc morial, head of the national urban league, and i went from the civil rights community. all of the top eight, we call them legacy groups, were invited to the library. we did not know at that time that president biden was going to bring some of us down on air force one. and the idea was to cite, 60 years later, where we were in civil rights. we are confronted even in this election with people that are behind project 2025, which is donald trump's people, which would really undermine a lot of what the civil rights act did 60 years ago. who thought 60 years later we'd still be fighting some of the issues of limiting access to certain parts of societies, goods, and services, based on race. that was what the day was about.

today, in fact, i'm going to chicago to help lead a rally for sonya massey's family, a late young lady shot and killed by law enforcement. we're dealing with some of the same issues that lyndon johnson had to deal with 60 years ago, and joe biden and kamala harris are dealing with today. >> certainly, the president also made an announcement about the supreme court, which we'll get to in a minute. but to politics now. vice president kamala harris is out with her first television ad of the campaign. it came out this morning. it is set to run on tv and on social media in key swing states around the country. we'll all take a look. >> the one thing kamala harris has always been, fearless. as a prosecutor, she put murderers and abusers behind bars. as california's attorney general, she went after the big banks and won $20 billion for homeowners. as vice president, she took on the big drug companies to cap the cost of insulin for seniors. because kamala harris has always

known who she represents. >> this campaign is about who we fight for. we believe in a future where every person has the opportunity, not just to get by, but to get ahead. where every senior can retire with dignity. but donald trump wants to take our country backward. to give tax breaks to billionaires and big corporations and end the affordable care act. but we are not going back. >> i'm kamala harris, and i approve this message. >> it's a $50 million ad buy. donny, it's key early in the campaign to have the introduct introductory ad. a figure americans are still kind of getting to know. you're the ad guy. how did she do? >> ad guy. i thought it was good, solid. nothing over the top. nothing amazing. i think, look, she's a vice

president but still really, for most people, they don't know her. so they want to just kind of introduce her, get her out there. i think the key elements of that that you're going to see in everything going forward is forward/backwards, young/old, old/new, yesterday/tomorrow. i think that's going to be a big core of what she does, that contrast. you know, other than that, it was kind of, you know, a little solid meat and potatoes stuff. solid b-plus. >> donny is right about the contrasts, forward and backwards. there's a chant at harris rallies, "we're not going back." though it is part of her biography, just noting that she was a prosecutor, that also sets up a contrast with convicted felon donald trump. >> right. what hurt her in the primary actually helps her in the general. right? she was a sex crimes prosecutor in a 2020 democratic primary. that was not great timing. now, running against someone who is still, until he gets it thrown out, a convicted felon, is actually a really good

contrast. the other thing i think is really interesting about this ad is it leans into the momala stuff. she's hugging people. it's a maternal look which i think is interesting. i also, you know, she's been such an effective communicator on abortion, and that has been really where she has come. a lot of these elections have been referendums on roe. so to have her talk about that i think is really important. >> eugene robinson, certainly a first foray from the now harris campaign. it'll be the first of many as they are fundraising for the remarkable war chest. what do you think? >> let me point out one thing in the ad i think they'll continue to highlight. it mentions she got $20 billion for consumers from the big banks. this is an episode that i think

a lot of voters won't know about because they don't know her biography when she was attorney general. she essentially pushed hard, and because she was representing california, the most populous state, had a lot of power in the negotiation with the big banks over what they would give back to consumers for all their fraudulent practices that led to the 2008/2009 financial crisis, to the big crash. she was instrumental in that. this side of her as a consumer advocate who has brought results, i think, is something that's just a story i think most people don't know. she writes about it in the book that she wrote a few years ago before her first run, "the truths we hold." so that's what jumped out at me.

they're leaning into the consumer advocate part. >> yeah, certainly trying to take away, perhaps, the economic populism message from the republican side. we know abortion rights are going to be front and center in this campaign. now, iowa, the state of iowa, is now banning most abortions after about six weeks, which, of course, is before many women even though they're pregnant. the strict law went into effect yesterday and prohibits abortions after cardiac activity can be detected. the law includes limited exceptions for rape, incest, fetal abnormality, or when the life of the mother is in danger. the law briefly took effect last year before a judge temporarily blocked. last month, the iowa supreme court reiterated there is not a constitutional right to abortion in the state and ordered the hold be lifted. previously, iowa allowed abortions up to 20 weeks. that comes as the harris campaign just kicked off a fight for reproductive freedom week of

action. in a campaign video, harris called out donald trump for enabling iowa's abortion ban and reaffirmed her commitment to protecting reproductive rights and freedoms. today, harris will meet with reproductive rights leaders and activists during her trip to atlanta. she'll also hold dozens of events in battleground states. this week, she and her team will focus on the key issue of abortion health care. molly, your latest piece for "vanity fair" has the title, "republicans want to bring women back to the 1950s. "you write in part this. "never in history have we had two parties running on such radically different visions for women. on one end, leading the democratic party is a woman whose platform includes codifying roe and protecting women's fundamental rights. on the other, there is a party headed by a thrice harried adulterer who was involved in payoffs to both a playboy

playmate and an adult milk star, and who is running on a platform of bringing women's rights back to the pre-1960s states." the contrast is so stark. >> yeah. >> we know since the dobbs decision that overturned roe v. wade, abortion rights basically undefeated at the ballot box. >> undefeated in red states, too. what's interesting is i look back on the things that the senate refused to codify, right? there were a bunch of bills that the democrats tried to pass on d people like mike pence admitted to using some sort of in vitro fertilization. they've gotten swept up in this republican war on choice. again, what has happened is republicans painted themselves into a corner. they believe in this embryonic personhood, fetal personhood, which means, in their minds, a

fertilized embryo, five-cell em embryo should have the rights of a full-grown person, personhood. this paints them into a corner, right? ivf, birth control, iuds, all these different things which have been legal for a long time come under pressure. i think what is interesting, too, is on the activist side, you have people like christopher ruffo talking about ending no-fault divorce. this was signed into law by famous leftist ronald reagan in california. no-fault divorce was one of the important moments in american life. it cut down domestic violence. it gave women a way out of a bad marriage. it was really seminole. these republicans are talking about this sort of brain trust of the republican party, about getting rid of it. they really are trying to bring american women back to a pre-1950s state. >> this is just such a huge issue for democrats to exploit. >> right. >> the fault line, those

undecided voters. the undecided voters who might lean right but they don't want doctors involved in women's basic medical health care decisions, which is what this is. this is an invasion of privacy. it's the antithesis of freedom of choice when the government is literally in the room with the patient and doctor and restricting life-saving care a woman might need. that's how the democrats need to frame and message this. it needs to be about basic freedom and getting the government out of doctors' offices. >> and you see in these red states, so harris has been really good talking about this, is that it is much more dangerous to be pregnant. you can't get -- in some of these states, like louisiana, there was a report that -- >> it's already more dangerous. >> right. women can't get first trimester natal care because doctors are afraid. common miscarriages in the first trimester, they're afraid to treat because they're worried

they'll face legal consequences. you can't have doctors afraid of lawmakers. they're not going to give their best medical care. there are unforeseen consequences of these bans, which is why they were decided so broadly in 1973. we're really coming up against it again. >> interesting, feeling the passion of you talking as women. as a man, i feel exactly the same way, but there is something different for women. that's why the jd vance thing struck a nerve. the cruelty of women who have chosen not to have children or can't is an overall assault on women, coming from donald trump, coming from jd vance. i think it's the linchpin of everything going forward. >> really good point about certainly the reaction, the visceral reaction people have had to the comments. it's going to matter. it's not going anywhere. let's switch gears now. as reverend sharpton mentioned a little earlier, yesterday, president biden marked the 60th anniversary of the civil rights act. the landmark legislation that

had been signed july 2nd, 1964, by president johnson, outlawed segregation in businesses, public schools, and other public places, and prohibited employers from discriminating on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, or national origin. here is what some of president biden said yesterday at the lbj presidential library in austin, texas. >> 50 years, lbj foundation has convened this symposium to reflect one of the crowning achievements, the civil rights act of 1964. a defining moment that has since opened doors and opportunities for all americans, regardless of race, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, religion, national origin. together, with the voting rights act and the fair housing act, these three landmark laws he signed are remarkable in their scale and their scope. taken together, these acts made

the nation fundamentally more fair, more just, and more importantly, fundamentally more consistent with our founding principles. [ applause ] for real. and we're a better nation because of them. we must be clear, their work, our work is not done. it's not done. we do not celebrate these laws as part of our past but as critical components of our future. >> joining us now, president and ceo of the lbj foundation, and presidential historian mark updegrove. good to see you this morning. certainly, president johnson and president biden in the spotlight yesterday. tell what you say the moment means. >> it's amazing. 60th anniversary of the civil rights act should be celebrated. the civil rights act, as president johnson said, there is this pack of laws, the civil

rights of '65, the fair housing act of '68, all signed in the wake of tragedies. the civil rights act after john f. kennedy was assassinated. lyndon johnson used the martyrdom to get it into law. the voters rights act after bloody sunday. the thwarted march from selma to montgomery on the edmund pettis bridge, led by john lewis. and the fair housing act after the assassination of martin luther king. all of them fundamentally allowed us to leap into a new era. you don't have our most sacred creed of all men are created equal without the civil rights act of 1965 or the full flower of our democracy without the voting rights act, jonathan. every year, we commemorate the civil rights act. in so many ways, it is as important as the founding documents. we don't live up to our creed as a nation until the laws are signed in the 1960s. >> mark, as i sat there at the

ceremony yesterday, and dprachgs congratulations on a great ceremony, and as i heard president biden speak, i thought about how lyndon johnson really didn't in his lifetime get the credit he should have gotten, that he certainly is beginning to get because of people like you now. he was overshadowed in his last years with the vietnam war, protests which i as a teenager was part of. but he really changed the fundamentals of this country, and those kinds of changes are under threat today. the right to vote we're seeing in many ways curtailed and what we see in the civil rights act. talk about how it was important for this president who just stepped aside from running and lyndon johnson did move toward real substantive change at a time that they may have had other issues overshadow their accomplishments.

>> you know, reverend, i'm sorry i didn't get a chance to say hello to you yesterday. you're absolutely right. lyndon johnson did not get credit for these things because of the long shadow of vietnam that shrouded his legacy for so long. the passions around vietnam were so deep. it is a failed part of lyndon johnson's legacy. but if you look at that legislative record, it creates the foundation for modern america. but as you point out, reverend, so many of those laws are being undone. the voting rights act has been infamously gutted through the years. head start is on the table to be eliminated. there are so many things that we take for granted in this nation, that came in the 1960s, that are under threat today. you're absolutely right. that's one of the reasons we want to mark occasions like this, to show where america was 60 years ago, and how far we've come. but as barack obama said ten

years ago, when we marked the 50th anniversary of the civil rights act, history not only travels forward, history can travel backward. history can travel forward or backward. that's what's happened since the 1960s. >> that's what we heard from president biden yesterday, as well. president and ceo of the lbj foundation, mark updegrove, thank you for joining us. ahead on "morning joe," our next guest says the supreme court faces a crisis of legitimacy. congresswoman mikie sherrill is standing by and joins us on the heels of president biden calling for sweeping reforms for the nation's highest court. you're watch "morning joe." we'll be right back. subway is offering 20% off any sub, any size

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i'm calling for an amendment, no one is above the law amendment. [ applause ] i mean this sincerely, it calls for no immunity for crimes a former president committed while in office. this nation was founded on the principles, there are no kings in america. each of us equal before the law.

[ applause ] no one is above the law. for all practical purposes, the court's decision almost certainly means a president can violate their oath, flout our laws, and face no consequences. >> that's president biden criticizing the recent supreme court ruling on presidential immunity as he called for an overhaul of the high court yesterday. along with a constitutional amendment limiting the powers of the presidency. as you might expect, reaction is pouring in from across capitol hill. house speaker mike johnson released a statement that reads in part, "president biden's proposal to radically overhaul the u.s. supreme court would tilt the balance of power and erode not only the rule of law, but the american people's faith in our system of justice." and senate minority leader mitch mcconnell slammed biden's proposal as a, quote, full-scale attack on the justices. >> what the president is actually proposing is a stealth process for people other than

the justices to decide cases. again, constitution be dammed. meanwhile, democratic lawmakers are praising the president's call for major reforms, including our next guest, democratic congresswoman mikie sherrill of new jersey. she introduced a supreme court ethics bill last month as the high court's ratings remain rock bottom following a series of controversial decisions in recent years. the congresswoman is a member of the house armed services committee and joins us now. good morning. let's start with your reaction to what the president had to say yesterday, on the idea of the amendment to overturn the presidential immunity decision, but also the need for ethics reform and term limits for these justices. >> well, i think it is wonderful to see the president taking such a leadership role in this critical area. as you pointed out, this is some of the legislation i helped to lead in the house of

representatives, where we've been fighting to have ethics reform to give basic ethics training to our supreme court justices and their spouses. to have an independent group that can help with investigations at the supreme court and then make a report to congress. because as we have seen again and again and again, this is a court that has lost the faith of the american people. we see it in these partisan decisions such as attacking gun safety, you know, giving almost unlimited power to the president of the united states, contrary to our view of the democratic form of government. taking away roe versus wade after many of those same justices who overturned roe with president trump's leadership had testified before the senate that they thought it was settled law, the law of the land. so all of this breeds this sense of partisanship in the court that the american people see the

court as out of step and wonder with the ethics breaches, like thomas and alito, taking these huge gifts or $500,000 vacations on fishing trips to alaska, paid for by people who have business before the court, this really, i think, breeds many questions. it was striking to me that the people attacking, the very people attacking this court reform are two of the people that have done quite a bit of damage to the court themselves, whether it's mcconnell who refused to allow a president to appoint a supreme court justice because he wanted to wait until he could get a republican president to do that, or whether it was speaker johnson, who himself put forth an amicus brief attacking, with unfounded allegations and misinformation, attacking our very democratic elections before the court. so this is something that i think the american people will welcome, and i really want to give credit to president biden for bringing this issue to the

forefront. >> congresswoman, this is gene robinson. you know, i'm old enough to remember that when i was a kid, we would drive around my home state of south carolina. you'd see big billboards that said, "impeach earl warren." so many white southerners were upset with the groundbreaking decisions that the supreme court, headed by earl warren, had made. chief among them, brown v board of education in 1954, which basically put the nail in the coffin of jim crow and segregation, or at least started that process in the south. so how do you respond to people who would say that, look, this is just the mirror image of that? this is progressives upset with a very conservative court that is making decisions that people

like you and i might not like, but the way to change that is to do through the process and, over time, change the competition of the court, as conservatives did all too successfully, and then you can get some of this reversed. how do you respond to that? >> i think it is very different. i think you're talking about two separate and important issues here. one of them really goes to the ethical lapses on the court, which is very different from what you're discussing, right? so when you're talking about justices who are accepting rvs or fishing trips in alaska at exclusive and luxurious hotels from people who have business before the court, that i would say as a former federal prosecutor is a lapse of ethics and is something that should be investigated. then the justices should recuse themselves or be held accountable or both.

then you're also talking about this sense that you can somehow get your partisan will before the court. you can make up a court that is going to enact your partisan will. not enact the law or not find cases according to the law of the land, but rather according to the political pletical belie hold, which is also a problem. it's why this ethical and judicial reform gets to the heart of how are we appointing justices? we've seen republicans, to your point, game the system. looking at a court they didn't like, decisions they didn't like, and deciding, okay, we're going to game the system. we are going to appoint justices. we are going to get them on the bench despite whatever testimony they have before the senate as they get appointed. we are going to build a bench that's going to overturn roe, and we are going to do it sometimes when, for example, we have a democratic president, we're going to -- which mcconnell did -- we're going to

say he can't appoint a justice. we'll wait for the next president to hopefully build the bench we like. this reform corrects that, as well, by saying, okay, we'll have each president appoint two justices. we'll have term limits so they're rotating so that nobody can game the system like that. we can have a more fair process and hopefully a less partisan court. i'm old enough to remember after 9/11, when it was very, very difficult to speak out against torture and rendition and guantanamo. if you did, people would suggest you were somehow anti-american or not fighting the fight hard enough and well enough. yet, it was our supreme court that actually was the one body of our government that really was able to make some changes, to have decisions that were seen by, i think, the american people, and withstood until today, as seen as more fair and more promoting of our values. that's a court that we don't

recognize right now. >> democratic congresswoman mikie sherrill of new jersey. thank you so much for joining us this morning. reverend sharpton, as we noted earlier, you were there at that event when the president talked about the supreme court. now, it is highly, highly unlikely that any of this will get done, certainly this year. but it is also a campaign message. i talked to aides, have new reporting out this morning that, you know, this was something the president felt deeply about. it was a slow evolution for him. he's an institutionalist. he was outraged by the decisions and ethics violations and felt like this is something that had to be done. he thought it'd be part of his re-election campaign. it is now part of the vice president's campaign. do you think it'll move voters this fall? >> i think it will. because i think the way the president laid it out, that this is the only democratic republic that does not have these safeguards or term limits. i think when you look at the contrast of how the united

states operates and the rest of the world that claims to be democratic at least in terms of principles, you have people sit there lifetime, chosen for partisan reasons, that are stacking the supreme court. it is like stacking a jury at a trial. i think these safeguards are something that will probably not happen during the immediate future, but the debate must begin. it could lead there. the picture you showed of president biden leading with us in air force one yesterday, he was outlining it and saying that the appropriate time to discuss it is, as we're discussing civil rights act, because it violates the civil rights of americans, that we have a court that allows justices to operate no matter what ethical violations are apparent and they're sit there for a lifetime, no matter what they do. i think he did it on an appropriate day and appropriate platform.

i think the debate begins, and it will be a major issue in this election. >> the congresswoman outlined how the court has become a political creature. for much of its existence, tried to stay above the fray. that seems to have not been the case any longer. we see the poll numbers suggest that americans have lost faith in it. >> yeah. the supreme court was kind of the -- scotus was the one place that held up as every institution, congress and everything fell down. it's going way south. i do think this will be a big issue. i'll bring it back to freedom. if you don't have a supreme court that's objective, you don't have a supreme court that is viable, if you don't have a supreme court -- if you have a supreme court that grants immunity to a president, that goes against freedom. i bring it back to freedom of women's right to choose, freedom of democracy. the f-word -- [ laughter ]. >> not that f-word. >> now, freedom, you can bring it to everything with the supreme court. up next, the senate is set to vote today on a bill to

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welcome back to "morning joe." 7:41 a.m. here on the east coast. this afternoon, the senate is expected to vote on bipartisan legislation that could transform the way minors use the internet.

the kids online safety act overwhelming passed a procedural vote in the senate last week by a tally of 86-1. the bill is designed to protect kids from dangerous content online. it has also been endorsed by major tech companies, including snapchat, microsoft, and x. joining us now, one of the senators who wrote the kids online safety act, democratic member of the judiciary committee, senator richard blumenthal of connecticut. he first introduced the bill back in 2022. senator, i know this has been a real passion of yours for quite some time. tell us a little bit more about the legislation and why it is so important. >> this legislation is absolutely important because kids are bombarded by toxic content, about eating disorders, bullying, self-harm, suicide, and what's so important about

those effects is the destructive impacts on kids's lives. we have listened to parents who have lost children, kids who want choices about what they see and experience on the internet. right now, the addictive algorithms are driving this repetitive content at them, and this legislation gives them the tools they need to disconnect from the algorithms. it imposes a duty of care on the big tech companies. if they know or should know that they're harming kids, they need to do something. or they'll be held responsible and accountable. that principle of accountability is tremendously important. so i think it is the first major internet legislation in nearly three decades. and we have strong bipartisan support for it. because the harms are so real in kids's lives.

>> senator blumenthal, this certainly is a great start to protecting children. what more do you see that needs to be done, and what will, after this bill, which hopefully republicans have signalled in the house that they support, what do you see as the next legislative hurdle to help protect children further? >> first, we have to get this legislation through the house of representatives. i'm very hopeful that in the fall, when kids are going back to school and legislators are coming back to washington, we will see the same kind of persuasive, powerful effect from those parents and kids who have buttonholed their legislators, traveled to washington, and been so effective as advocates and activists. so i'm hoping for quick solutions from the house, a passage to this legislation. i hope also we'll deal with privacy at some point very soon. a privacy bill which i've also

championed for some time that protects people's information. all too often, we are the products, not the consumers. our information, our data are the products on the internet. we need better privacy to protect people, not only against the breaches of information but the monetization of it, the sharing, the trading, the selling of that information. but right now, my focus is on protecting children and making sure the kids online safety act becomes law. because we are going to face some opposition, some real opposition from the big tech companies who may not be supporting this bill or may support it in word but not really in action. they have armies of lawyers and lobbyists to contend with this. >> senator blumenthal, hi, molly jong-fast. i was wondering if you could talk -- you know, this is really one of the first regulations, tech regulation that the

government has ever passed. i'm wondering if you're open to more. what you said about lobbyists is so important. tech companies have so much money working very hard against regulation. i was wondering if you could talk about possibilities for greater algorithmic transparency and just more transparency when it comes to tech more generally. >> excellent question. this bill actually provides for transparency, access to those algorithms, opening up the black boxes, so very, very important. i'm glad you raised that point. we need to go even further as we approach this brave new world of artificial intelligence. transparency is going to be absolutely critical. open source is one of the key issues. again, for right now, i want to protect these kids. this ongoing harm is destroying lives. we've been asked again and again

over these last 3 1/2 years, senator blackburn and i, the partners who have pushed this legislation over a very dumb by road, when are you going to protect these children? so, yes, more transparency, more reform to open up those algorithmic riddles that are responsible for driving that addictive content with addictive features at young people right now. very few people understand how they work. >> it is an important issue and one that enjoys, in the senate, widespread bipartisan support. richard blumenthal of connecticut, thank you for joining us this morning. >> thank you. straight ahead here on "morning joe," you know him from his iconic movie roles like "john wick" and neo in the "matrix." we'll play our conversation with keanu reeves about his sci-fi book and the inspiration behind it. "morning joe" will be right back.

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because some people can't have children, some people, you know, want to have children and miss the window. so i do think it's really just a very terrible way to go after people. >> yeah. it's so interesting. we live this new cycle of politicians people say stupid things and the parade moves on. this j.d. vance parade is not moving on. something hit a nerve with people. as i said, you used word cruel. i think vance, i don't know if vance is here in the end. we will see. >> it's hard for donald trump to admit making a mistake. a lot of republicans very unhappy right now. coming up next on "morning joe," kamala harris will be in atlanta today for her first campaign rally in georgia as a presidential candidate. we will get a preview from her principal deputy campaign manager ahead of on "morning joe." as americans, there's one thing we can all agree on.

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defending his choice for running mate and j.d. vance's comments on childless cat ladies. we will show you what trump had to say. the former president has still not committed to debating harris and last night he made several excuses for why he may skip the event. and vice president kamala harris will be in atlanta today for her first georgia campaign rally as a presidential candidate. the harris campaign says it's operation in georgia is the largest of any democratic campaign in history. it has mobilized hundreds of staffers members. georgia has also seen a real surge in volunteers with more than 7,500 currently signed up in just one week. harris' atlanta appearance coincides with an endorsement from the state's former lieutenant governor, republican geoff duncan, crossing party lines there. in an opinion piece in "the

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hedged on whether or not he would debate her. >> she is incompetent, not very smart. she is very radical. she got rid of the laugh. i haven't seen that crazy laugh. she is crazy. that laugh, that's the laugh of a crazy person. i noticed she is not using it that laugh sunny more. somebody convinced her, don't laugh. i want to do a debate, but i also can say this. everybody knows who i am. now people know who she is. she is a radical left lunatic. she will destroy our country. she wants open borders. >> why not debate her? >> they know everything. i am leading in the polls. i hear different numbers. i am leading in all of the polls. i am leading big in the swing states. i don't like rewarding fake news, the people that -- if they are going to make tens of millions of dollars with this debate. >> in response to those comments, the harris campaign released a statement accusing the gop nominee of being scared,

adding that vice president harris will be on the debate stage september 10. donald trump can show up or not. so eugene robinson let's start here with these attacks. these new attacks that trump is trying out on harris about her intellect, her laugh. the mark of a campaign that doesn't really know yet how to go after its new opponent. >> they don't have a clue how to go after kamala harris. they were all set up. they had their plan a to go after joe biden's age and fragility, and now, obviously, they can't do that. and so what do they do? do they go straight to she's a woman? do they go straight to, she's a black and south asian woman? this idea of trying to attack her intelligence makes

absolutely no sense given who she is and what she has achieved in her life. so they just don't know what to do. i mean, they are spinning their wheels at this point. we'll see. i assume at some point they will come out with a more or less coordinated attack strategy. but they are nowhere near that now. >> so at least it would seem some of these attacks are borderline sexist and flat out sexist and trump has not used dei, that phrasing as much as a lot of his fellow republicans. it's part of the same attack line. there is that sliver of people in this country who don't know who they are voting for. some are women or men who will be offended by these kinds of comments. this seems risky. >> kamala harris is not defined yet by the majority of american voters except for donald trump's base. they know who -- they have their impression of kamala harris. that's, obviously, not going to

change. other than that, he needs to get to work. his campaign needs to get to work. this has been over a week and a half and they haven't really landed an attack on her that's resonating. they are so all over the place. you hear, oh, she is not that bright. she didn't -- she failed at the border. it's not coordinated. there is not any drum beat going. and so, as of now i would not give them a very high score being able to define her. also, trump seems scared and weak about the debate. jason miller came on with chris jansen on this networknd a said that donald trump definitely would debate and that's not what trump said last night to laura ingraham. >> there is worry about attacks. on fox business yesterday, host stuart varnny criticized trump for calling vice president kamala harris dumb. >> i have been hearing a lot from women. they are not happy with what trump has been saying and some of the language he is using about kamala harris.

it's insulting. i have been out and about over the weekend. when donald trump called kamala harris dumb, that was a profound mistake, in my opinion. woman react to that kind of thing. so they should. don't you think he should tone down the language? get through the central message, but tone the language down he said he was going to be nice and then he says i am not going to be nice. i think that's a mistake. >> john, your latest column is titled the harris honeymoon and team k's quest to make it last. at this moment, nine days in, it has. and we are seeing republicans flail a bit in terms of how to respond. where is this going next? >> i would say they are playing more than a bit. the flailing has been comprehensive over the course of this period. i will say we have a preview of what some of this will look like when dave mccormick put up that

ad last week focused almost exclusively on her being liberal. and i think if you talk to people around kamala harris that they recognize that the -- a lot of baggage, issues baggage, it all comes from that period of time when she was running in the democratic primary in 2020 and the party was running, except for joe biden, turned out joe biden made the right boat. joe biden was who he was, moderate center left democrat. the rest of the party lurched to the left on a lot of questions. that ad laid out the stuff kind of painting her as being too extreme to the center. the trump campaign got its first ads on the air. they are basically a boiled down version of this mccormick ad, which i think was two minutes long, but they have a real ad out that trump put up on truth social yesterday. the force of their efforts will

be to -- and trump has been hitting this in his speeches. he is all over the place. he keeps coming back to she is extreme, she is liberal, she -- if you use san francisco, kind of points to those things. how well that sticks is anyone's guess. but there is no question that focus, if you are trying to define someone, focus is important. almost more important than what you folk on, that you focus in some way, and this is not a vulnerability that the harris people are unaware of. the question is how fast they get up on defense, and that is a whole other discussion we can have. it's a, you know, they have a lot to do in a very short period of time. >> they do. they are raising a ton of money. they have such media coverage, haven't spent much yet. that will change quickly. karl warns donald trump needs to gain control, saying the former president is clearly in a subordinate role compared to vice president kamala harris. he made the argument on fox news over the weekend while outlining

what harris and trump need over the next few weeks to bolster their campaigns. let's take a listen. >> this is what harris has to do between now and the end of the month. introduce herself. we know she is the vice president. how does she want to frame herself for the general election? she needs to figure out how to go after trump. she's got to pick a vice president. that vice president has to immediately say she demonstrated the leadership that that person would be capable of being president if something bad happened. so that makes us feel better better about her leadership abilities. she has to have a convention that unifies the democratic party and has a positive impact on the american voter. then the week after i think is absolutely critical. the democratic convention starts august 19 and what that means is that they have one week after this convention, one week and a couple of days before labor day. that's going to be i think attitudes by labor day will be really important. she needs to come blowing out of that convention in chicago and

showing big crowds and lots of enthusiasm. >> trump, he has difficulties, too. he has to frame harris, find the right message to go after her, because as lucas said, we have 101 days as of today, and he has to get back in control of the dialogue. he is clearly in a subordinate role here. he feels uncomfortable with it, i suspect, and he likes being in -- the guy who is setting the tempo of the campaign, and that's not happening. think about this, neil. nine national polls since joe biden announced on the 19th he is not running, if you take those nine polls, it is trump by 0.88. that's nine-tenths of 1%, after he gets the bump coming out of the convention that showed a unity for the republican ticket and republican party. this will be a barnburner and it's very much up for grabs in the next two or three weeks, will be critical for both camps.

>> sam, the premise of the trump/biden campaign from the trump campaign's perspective was strength versus weakness. i imagine the reaction at mar-a-lago to the phrase subordinate. >> first of all, i need whiteboards. how many whiteboards does he have? two? very good penmanship, too. there was a report yesterday, private fundraising remarks from j.d. vance where he acknowledged that vice president harris has reset the race. the public posture from the trump campaign, nothing's changed. they are continuing with the plan as is. they feel confident in the path to victory. to admit that privately illustrates the degree to which the race is now different. i agree with everyone else that the trump campaign is to a certain degree flailing to find what the right counterpunch is here. i think we are going to get a

real window into it in the next couple of days. i notice reports this morning that the trump campaign is out with a new ad. it's first for the harris era as the democratic nominee focusing on immigration, which is not a surprise. immigration has been the bedrock issue for trump since he emerged in 2016. probably the one issue he consistently hammered over and over and over again. on top of that. harris was in charge of immigration in the biden administration. this i think is going to be the predominant focus which portends a very nasty, ugly close of the campaign which we will have a lot of anti-immigrant rhetoric that trump will push forward. i think the harris response is going to be, look, we took action, we being she and president biden, with this executive action, and you tried to and effectively torpedoed a bipartisan deal to, you know,

handle the border. it goes to show how significant that executive action was that biden took in the spring in newt neutralizing some of these attacks. >> immigration front and center of this election. harris' greatest vulnerability. we figured out how it will play in the battleground states. i want to skip past that today, that harris is going to be in the georgia. a state that the biden team, a month or couple months back, pre-debate said might be slipping away. they felt arizona, the same. north carolina, always felt like a little bit of a reach. they were particularly -- post-debate, said our only path to win pennsylvania, wisconsin, michigan. do we think now that map has really expanded for harris? >> well, here are the things that i'll do my own karl thing. he is a world class trolling of trump there. don't think that subordinate thing was a slip of the tongue. i think there is three -- they

have three weeks before the convention starts. and if you include convention week, key to introducing or reintroducing kamala harris to the american people, four weeks. a million things to do. you are not -- luckily, not starting from a standing start. there are changes at the top of it, naturally. three things to do. first is they have to do something donald trump has failed do. the second thing, another thing they have to do, get on the air, as we were talking about, figure out how to impede media in the -- in the battleground states, try to define the candidate, and defend against some of the incoming that the republicans have. the third thing is your point, which they have to reset the map and there is no -- there are no doubt that because of on the base level we know from public data that the surge in enthusiasm for her with non-white voters, particularly

african americans, and young voters open -- suggests she would be in a better position to compete in arizona, georgia, nevada, all of them could be more competitive than for joe biden. it's also the case that biden's one remaining strength with older white voters and why the blue wall looked for the good path for him he had strength with seniors. and white seniors in the midwest. she may be less competitive in pennsylvania, wisconsin, and -- wisconsin and michigan, than joe biden was. there is a ton of research that team k needs to get done in this period, and they have not -- you know, she is -- for all -- the vice president this entire time, the amount of research that a presidential campaign does on its vice president, incumbent president, almost none. they have some idea. but compared to what you do for someone at the top of the ticket where you know exactly how they are perceived by every important

slice. demographic, the electorate, that doesn't exist and they are racing out there right now to try to figure out what are they are strengths, weaknesses. huge amount of stuff to do in a very, very, very short time. coming up, can the vice president find her own voice without breaking with president biden? peter baker joins us with his latest analysis of the harris campaign. that's straight ahead on "morning joe." sure, i'm a paid actor, and this is not a real company, but there is no way

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we are run in this country via the democrats, via the corporate oligarchs by childless cat ladies who are ms. pbl their lives and the choices they made, so they want to make the rest of the country miserable to. you look at kamala harris, pete buttigieg, aoc, the future of the democrats is controlled by people without children. obviously, it was a sarcastic comment. i have nothing against cats or dogs. this is not -- people are focusing so much on the sarcasm and not on the substance of what i said and the substance of what i said, meagan, i am sorry, it's true. it is true that we have become anti-family. it is true that the left has become anti-child. it is simply true it's become way too hard to raise a family. >> really what i'm trying to get at here, it's important to be pro-family as a country.

of course for a whole host of reasons, it's not working out for some people. pray for those people and have sympathy for them. i think that means we should be pro-family generally speaking as a party and i think our country has become particularly hard for parents especially under the policies of kamala harris. i think that he was on a podcast where he was asked about aoc's statement that she said in the past that, i don't know about having kids with climate and the world in turbulence. that was his response to it. but it was brought up by trey gowdy about this story with the nuns, greatest americans who love america, what about george washington, never had kids, does that make him a bad american? he said no, people don't have kids and are great americans. he wanted to explain himself. when you are explaining, you are usually losing and that's all they want, for him to explain the comments. >> when you're explaining,

you're usually losing. that take on senator j.d. vance and his continued attempts to tamp down the backlash from his already infamous childless cat lady comments. mean white last night on fox, donald trump tried to defend his running mate over those remarks. >> he is not against anything. he loves family. it's very forn important to him. he group in a tre interesting family situation and he feels family is good. and i don't think there is anything wrong in saying that. now, they took that as an indication that people that don't have families -- look, i could see -- >> easy opening, right? >> it's crazy. i know. so many people, they never met the right person, male or female, just never met the right person. they are unbelievable. they are every bit as good as anybody else -- >> what do you say to women watching? >> i think that --

>> that don't have kids? >> i think they understand it. no, i think they understand it. >> not sure they do. eugene, your column for "the washington post" is titled no, really, republicans are getting weirder, and j.d. vance appears to be exhibit a. >> yeah. he is absolutely exhibit a. come on. okay. so he says this really kind of stupid, geeky, dorm room, late at night kind of thing, right? this insult about childless cat ladies trying to be clever with tucker carlson and it comes back to haunt him. and he just take it back. you can't just say that, gee, that was a really, really dumb thing to say, and i really regret it. no. he kind of doubles down and doubles down because that's what he is expected to do, if you're donald trump's running mate, you could never back down, right? he says, well, you have to focus

on the substance. the substance of what he was talking about is really crazy about how if you have kids, you ought to be able to vote more times in an election than a single person. just all of this sort of really, really weird stuff. and this is, you know, this is who he is, and i think this is going to keep sort of cropping up. and so now we have, in vance and trump, one of the, like, weirdest tickets i can recall. these are two really unusual people who say and do weird things. trump is out talking about the, you know, the shark in the boat and the battery and all the time and the late, great hannibal lector with all his eccentricities and weirdnesses and now you have j.d. vance and this dynamic between the two of

them, which going to be fascinating because you can imagine how happy donald trump is to have to be explaining away the kind of odd words of his vice presidential candidate, of his running mate, and now he is going to have to explain away what "the post" recorded j.d. vance said in a fundraiser about how, gee, you know, running against kamala harris, when they changed candidates that was a suck per punch and we have to how to regroup and we don't know how to run against her. trump is not going to like that either. so this is going to be fascinating. but it's weird. >> not only weird b but for the first time in a long time, certainly in months if not more during the campaign trump has had to be reactive. they are not setting the agenda. they are in that subordinate

role in terms of news cycles at the moment, and it's a place that clearly makes him cleanly uncomfortable. there is a lot of republicans pointing fingers, really second-guessing the choice of vance. >> yeah, i mean, we have to remember it wasn't that long ago, four-week period roughly post-debate to when joe biden dropped out where we had this abnormal situation that trump was out of the public eye in a strategic reason for it. he usually likes to commandeer the public eye and the public stage n this case he was staying away because all the focus was on joe biden. to your point, highly reactive to both kamala harris' ascension and the choice of vance. i think vance was chosen from a position of strength. they felt like they were going to win the election. they weren't, you know, rack up margins with the white male vote, which they had worried

about drift to go biden. they felt like they were on auto drive. now they are looking back and they are wondering, did they make a mistake? could they have expanded the coalition? i think more to the point. could they have chosen a vice presidential nominee who didn't come up in the media ecosystem where you go on podcasts, on tucker carlson, where you post blogs all in an effort to reach the more fringe elements of the party pause that's what it takes to win a primary and get into the senate seat. this tripped up j.d. vance. i think part of the problem is he insulted cats, childless parents -- sorry, childless people. the other part of the problem, it's a weird, abrupt evolution from a guy talking about in sympathetic, empathic terms, growing up in ohio, appalachia, the communities left behind and now talking about in sort of angry terms people who don't have kids. i think that's jarring for a lot of voters to see.

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♪♪ you have more for us from your focus groups out of wisconsin on the issue of running mates. tell ausa little bit about what you heard from voters. >> the progressive voters i spoke with in wisconsin were

incredibly motivated to defeat donald trump, and it's not just the former president though that these voters find off putting. it's also j.d. vance. so let's hear from those voters. >> what do you think of j.d. vance? >> i only heard one sound bite and that was enough. >> strange fellow. >> what do you think, anthony? >> he is such an odd person. he has proven himself. i think this is why trump loves him so much. he has proven himself personally to trump to be exquisitely valuable, right, because he started off his narrative about trump just totally tearing him apart, excoriating him, and just over time just like a lot of other lawmakers on the right, they kissed the ring and they made that transition. there has been very few people that surpassed vance in that

respect. so i think he's, as far as trump is concerned, really earned that position. >> my mom is from appalachia, rural northwestern carolina. my family goes back generations there. the tba saved my family. my grandma had burlap sacks for underwear and i am instilled in that every day when i talk to my mom. she always says, don't forget that. and i find his depiction of people from appalachia to be so offensive. >> he got out and he sold his book and he doesn't go back. he doesn't talk about his family. they are just a sad story about poor america. instead of what they are, which is victims of exactly the kind of price-gouging cap list narcissist that he decided to become a part of. >> i asked these progressive

voters who they thought kevin mccarthy kamala harris should pick as her running mate. who would be your top choice for kamala harris to pick as her vice president? >> tim walz. minnesota governor. got a very progressive record. speaks very well on camera. i am a mid-western guy in a region of the country that the democrats need to win. >> i agree. i was going to say tim walz as well. he has done a remarkable job in minnesota. he is in a similar strain to tony evers in that fun schoolteacher kind of guy. >> i am a gretchen whitner fan, even though i imagine they are like -- >> i want her to run for president. >> i do, too. four years of kamala. but i've -- i could be wrong. i feel like i am realistic a lot of people will insist there not

be two women on the ticket. however, i still have that -- >> i am ashamed of myself because i wasn't thinking about two women running on the same ticket. >> there is no shame. there is no shame. >> and i want to believe that i am kind of highly evolved and everything, but i fell right into place assuming that she needed to have a white male next to her. i am undecided about it. and i still have to do more research about it. but i am just really optimistic about her choice because i think it will be someone who is foreign looking and can make some decent changes. >> what do you make of those voters and their reaction to j.d. vance and then some of the names that they were bandying about for potential vp picks for kamala harris? >> they seem to be like many progressives, they seem to be ravenous consumers of political media. they are having that conversation at the level of pundit -- these are not the kind of people reacting on a gut

level. they are absorbing a lot of political media, as people who are part since sometimes do. they listed the names on their short list, the same names on the public's short lists, the ones that we see. and i think what you found here is something we have all seen now. the world has proven -- in another universe, the progressives might have been -- how is the harris selection -- how is that going? it's going with progressives. what you see in that group was they are onboard with her and they are already moving on to the next -- they are not kind of like, wow, what happened over here? which is how a lot of the voters in the center have been. they are onboard with kamala harris and they are looking to these other questions about legacy. i heard one talking about who should succeed her in the white house, i believe. gretchen whitmer might be her successor. they are looking down the road a little bit. >> north carolina governor

cooper bowed out yesterday, saying he was in the vetting process, no longer wants to be involved. labor is pushing it for michigan senator gary peters. we saw the governors shapiro and whitmer campaigning for harris yesterday. whitmer onoir air yesterday, made clear she is not a part of this. a few other names there. governor beshear of kentucky, buttigieg, pritzker. what is the latest that you have heard as to what team harris is thinking and when they will make this decision? >> they have to make a decision soon because the deadline is coming up for the nomination. they have to get on the ballots. it's down really to three is what i'm hearing, which is tim walz, mark kelly and josh shapiro. obviously, there are other names in the mix. pete buttigieg, gary peters,

probably an outsider. i think that what i took away from the focus group was the end remark, forward looking. that's what they want. i think that's what harris' team is looking for, too. they have the virtue of being able to say with biden dropping out that they are creating a generational contrast with trump. they have been handed the luxury of making this election about the future, even though they are the incumbent party. i think what they want to do here is they want to supplement the ticket with someone who can help them make that contrast. all those people can, to a degree. a young governor probably does the best. i'll leave it at that. coming up, our next guest says he is choosing country over party. we'll talk with jean-gilles, the republican mayor of mesa, arizona, who endorsed democrat vice president kamala harris for president. d democrat vice president kamala harris for president.

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they got silver in tokyo after winning gold the previous two olympics. so looking for a bit of redemption. also a great storyline here coming up later, 9:30 a.m. eastern time, is the u.s. women's rugby team advancing to the semifinals. they are going to play new zealand in one semifinal. they are at least guaranteed to play for a medal. of course, if they win the first game, they go to the gold medal game. if they lose, they get a shot at the bronze later today. that's fun. now, the picture everyone is talking about, john, this morning is this one about 10,000 miles away from where i'm standing in tahiti, the surfing competition. a surfer from brazil, a surreal photograph after his run during which he set an olympic record with a 9.9 score. a favorite to win the gold medal. this is him after his dismount. the wave kicked him off. he is floating through the air, already celebrating because he knows what he did.

you can look at that all day. looks like something out of a photoshop. that's the real thing. gabriel medina. >> a remarkable photograph. thanks to willie geist. a conversation with hollywood superstar keanu reeves. we will talk about his greatest roles and why he is taking a deep dive into the world of comics. that's next on "morning joe."

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at least not yet. he is a coauthor of the novel "the book of elsewhere" in addition to "the berserker" universe. the story introduces us to a warrior who cannot permanently die and is working for the u.s. government in hopes they can find a way. joining me are the coauthors of the book, keanu reeves and -- tell me where you got the idea. >> i don't know if i can say where the idea originated from, but it was a character i thought would be, uh, fun, this immortal

warrior, half human/half god who is cursed with violence. and the book revolves around him trying to escape this curse, get in touch with his humanity, but also kind of all of these other characters attracted to this power of immortality. >> china, tell us more about the story and more about this remarkable character. >> keanu was very open to playing with some of the, quote, rules he'd established in the comics. so we think of this as an alternate version of the comic.

you have a bit more space and pacing in a novel to do that than you might in a comic. we really wanted to make it very faithful and loving to the source material, but also very much its own thing and very much a true novel. >> keanu, what was it like to collaborate with china on this project? >> i was a fan and am a fan of china's writing. to have the chance to work with such a great artist was such a

pleasure and experiencing the world he can create. >> china, what was it like collaborating with keanu? >> he was a complete delight. he invited me to play with his toys and he was incredibly open to ideas. you know, it was a true collaboration. i didn't necessarily know whether that would be the case going in. that was one of the reasons i said yes and i was so excited is because he was really excited about working together and being very open minded. i'd love to give you some great story about how he was a nightmare, but he was a total pleasure. >> we're certainly glad to hear that. keanu, as an artist, what is it like when a project is completed?

>> to realize a dream or a hope of creating a story and collaborating with china and being a part of creating this work, i can just say it's a wonderful pleasure and i hope people as they experience the novel really enjoy it. >> "the book of elsewhere" is available now. thank you both very much for being with us. we really appreciate it. we'll be right back with more "morning joe." we'll be right back with more "morning joe."

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nobody talks about. she's hated by people who work for her. >> oh my [ bleep ] god! are you kidding me? >> everybody that works for kamala quit. >> a very aggressive, angry, bullying boss. >> she's not a nice person to work with. >> she's a terrible boss. >> your candidate is donald trump. his catch phrase is literally "you're fired." he's the anna wintour of authoritarian wannabes. donald trump fired 44 cabinet members, 75% of them want nothing to do with the guy. his secretary of state calls him a [ bleep ] moron. his chief of staff said he's the most flawed person i've ever met. you know why he needs a new vice presidential running mate? he tried to get the last one killed. >> jon stewart there. good to have him back.

welcome to the fourth hour of "morning joe." we will begin this hour with the latest on the race to the white house. vice president kamala harris heads to georgia today while former president donald trump is forced to yet again defend his choice for a running mate. nbc news senior washington correspondent hallie jackson. >> reporter: the presidential race taking shape this morning with vice president kamala harris set to hit the campaign trail and former president donald trump in a new interview backing up his new running mate, senator jd vance. >> he's got tremendous support among a certain group of people, people that like families. >> reporter: the former president referencing vance's controversial comments from 2021, critical of democrats without children. >> we're effectively run in this country via the democrats by a bunch of childless cat ladies.

>> he's not against anything. he loves family. >> reporter: mr. trump also insisting when he told the christian audience friday you don't have to vote again if we win, he was not referring to not having elections again. >> don't worry about the future. you have to vote on november 5th. after, that we're not going to have to worry about voting anymore, because the country will be fixed. i want to do a debate. now everybody knows who she is. she's a radical left lunatic, so the answer is yes. but i can also make a case we're not doing it. >> reporter: the vice president is focusing on reproductive rights, looking to link mr. trump to iowa's new restrictions on abortions after six weeks. >> which makes iowa the 27th state in our country to have a trump abortion ban. >> reporter: vance adding kamala

is a lot younger and obviously not struggling in the same ways that joe biden did. harris is also set to decide on a running mate by the middle of next week. north carolina roy cooper withdrawing his name from consideration overnight. >> that was hallie jackson with that report. let's now bring into the conversation peter baker, jim messina and lauren leader. thank you all for being here.

vice president harris heads to georgia, a state that a few weeks ago biden aides were acknowledging was going to be hard, was going to be really hard, might have been slipping away, suggesting their only path to the white house would have been through that blue wall, michigan, pennsylvania and wisconsin. now the map has expanded. >> it's absolutely expanded. if you look at the numbers and the surge in support, tonight she has 15,000 people coming to a rally in atlanta 98 days before the election. when you look at the head to heads in the state, you could make an argument she could win any of the big seven here. it just gives the campaign more options on how to get to 270 electoral votes. when i ran president obama's campaign, my entire job was to make the map bigger to have more

options to get to 270. the campaign has a surge in support, volunteers and money, the three things you have to have to expand the map. >> the challenge for any vice president is how to differentiate yourself from the person who was the top of the ticket. president biden announcing just a few weeks ago he would step aside. your report gets into this challenge facing the vice president. give us your sense of how she's doing so far. >> any time you have a sitting vice president running while a president is in the oval office, there's naturally going to be some friction there and possible divergences in policy. most obvious example of that

last week was the meetings with benjamin netanyahu, the prime minister of israel, who came to visit the white house. interestingly enough, it was vice president harris who was given the option to be the public face of the administration. she's the one who made comments of substance about the situation in gaza and what she thinks about what's happening there, whereas president biden said welcome to the oval office and then shooed the reporters out before there was anything of consequence said. the substance of what she said was in keeping with what the president said about how this war in gaza should be ended. her tone was much more emphatic about the suffering of the palestinian people. she used the words "i will not be silent" on that. it's her turn to speak out.

she doesn't want to break with biden, but she wants to distinguish herself and show how she's going to ridden the country if she were to be elected. >> in 2012, when you managed president obama's successful reelection campaign, you really had great turnout among democratic voters. you had a lot of democratic registered voters who normally might not show up actually come and cast a ballot. what can the harris campaign do to have a similar result? >> i look at the enthusiasm numbers. we've gone from 60% ten days ago to 88% of democrats now being excited. the second thing is real ground operations. that's where the biden campaign led by jen o'malley dillon understands that very well. their volunteer numbers have

soared. that is incredibly important. part of how joe biden won in 2020 was huge turnout, especially with young voters. joe biden won by 20 points with young voters. if she can hold that number and get turnout like biden did in 2020, i think she's going to be the president of the united states. >> lauren, let's get your take on this split screen of how these two campaigns are addressing women. vice president harris has been a powerful voice on women's right to health care and now you have jd vance talking about childless cat ladies.

>> the fact that everybody in america knows what a childless cat lady is tells you about the state of the race. trump didn't want to talk about abortion. they intentionally didn't talk about it at the rnc. it exposes all of the concerns that led to trump's consistent losses in '17 and '18 and '20 and '22. women have come out against the trump doctrine very consistently since he was elected in 2016. vance, it's not just offensive, it's political malpractice. you saw trump sort of try to distance himself from that yesterday with laura ingram. it's bad politics.

trump somehow thought he was going to win in a landslide without ever expanding his coalition, without bringing new people into the tent. instead, he's made the tent smaller and smaller and narrower and narrower. >> now vice president is going to have to choose a running mate. labor leaders are now making a late push for senator gary peters of michigan to be in consideration to be harris' running mate. there have been discussions between labor leaders and the harris campaign. the same report says the senator from michigan is interested in being harris' running mate. let's ask him. senator gary peters of michigan joins us right now. he is also the chair of the senate homeland security committee. let's put it bluntly. would you be interested in

serving as vice president harris' running mate? >> i respect her process. she's looking for a running mate now. she's going to make the decision that's right for her and right for the country. i want to respect the process and focus on what i need to be focusing on right now, which you mentioned in the opening. i chair homeland committee here in the senate. as i get off the set here, i'm going to head to the capitol. we have the new acting secret service director appearing for the first time before my oversight committee as well as the deputy director of the fbi continuing to probe. this is a probe similar to what my committee and i did after january 6th where we identified security weaknesses at the capitol, made a number of recommendations, a large number of those fully adopted, others partially adopted. the capitol is now a more secure place. now we need to do the same thing

with secret service. when people go to a political rally, they should know that they're safe and not subject to a random shooter. the other job which i've been doing for some time is making sure we hold the majority in the united states senate as chair of the democratic senate campaign committee. right now it's critical that we hold the majority. when vice president harris becomes the president of the united states, she needs a majority in the senate to be effective. you absolutely have to have the majority for your appointments, for judicial appointments and basically able to effectively use your presidency for the benefit of the people. so that is my primary job in addition to being chair of homeland security. >> that was well done in terms of a dodge and then pivot to

talking about other things. kudos to you for that. let's stay on politics now and this push to potentially add you to the ticket, which comes from labor. speak to us about the role unions are playing in this race, because the trump ticket is making a play for them as well. >> you know, labor is absolutely essential for victory, particularly in states like michigan. we're coming off the most pro-union president we've had in joe biden. i'm sure kamala harris will be that pro-union as well. it's important to me. my dad was a union member. my mom was a steward. i know how important it is for people in michigan to have a champion for their fundamental

rights. the labor movement and unions are essential. as we've seen the middle class shrink, it's almost directly correlated with declining numbers of unions. yet unions are at the highest public approval in decades. people understand wage levels across the board are also increased when unions are successful. to me it's who we are as democrats that we stand up for working folks, unions and we understand that you cannot have a strong and vibrant middle class without a strong and

vibrant union presence as well. that's something i'm passionate about and believe vice president harris will be and is already. she's made a number of appearances and that's going to be critical to a win. >> could you give us a little bit more of your over/under on the impact of vice president harris at the top of the ticket on some of these critical senate races that have been very close. >> we were in a really good position, because basically all of these u.s. senate races are candidate versus candidate races. it's how we won last cycle. we defeated highly challenged

incumbents. the same thing is happening this cycle. we have strong incumbents running against these flawed opponents. now with the energy on the ground -- and it is significant. i was at canvass kickoffs in michigan. young people were showing up. i had a number of young people who had never participated. they were excited to do that. in michigan, the number of volunteers who wanted to be in our get out the vote effort, the number doubled just over last week. that kind of energy translates into our senate races. most all of our senate races are key battlegrounds. we're going to work closely with the presidential campaign. then we've got to win others like montana and ohio. the energy that we have with democratic base, i'm confident we can win, but these are going to be tight races. people have to get engaged and

contribute and volunteer and talk to neighborhoods and friends. this is not over yet. this is a battle for the heart and soul of this country. no one should be sitting on the couch. everyone needs to get up and fight and be a part of this incredible effort to make sure we strengthen our democracy. >> my dad always said no shame in showing you want a job. yes or no, if kamala harris asks you to be her running mate, would you accept? >> i'm going to respect the process that the vice president has and whoever she chooses, i will fully support. >> the very disciplined senator gary peters of michigan. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> jim messina, you were part of a couple successful presidential campaigns, making a choice of a

running mate very important. what would you advice be to vice president harris, and do you have someone you think she should pick? >> the first role is do no harm. i agree with lauren. the damage jd vance has done to this ticket -- when you're having your candidate have to defend the vice president pick every single day, you are off message. the second is don't look at candidates and think they can win a state for you. when romney picked his running mate, the person only gets you about half a point in your own state. we won paul ryan's congressional district. my advice is look very closely at someone who can really complement the ticket, someone you can spend the next four years with who can be the president of the united states and gives you something to the ticket you don't have. i think she's running a really

good process run by eric holder. those would be my pieces of advice. >> cnn has new reporting this morning about more potentially damaging comments that jd vance has made about women without children that we will have for you a little later this hour. peter baker, let's spend a minute there with vance and the choice there made by donald trump. there has been a lot of second guessing among republicans as to why vance was the pick in the first place and particularly now that the race has changed so much with harris being the democratic presumptive nominee. is there any sign at this point that the donald trump inner circle is regretting the decision and exploring other options? >> normally you'd say no the presidential nominee has to stick with the person they

picked even if it's a flawed choice. with this presidential nominee, no. donald trump has been very clear and you made this point in the last hour or jon stewart made the point in the last hour he's not afraid to get rid of people when he tires of them or decides they're not helpful to him or loyal. jd vance is loyal, but he is seemingly at the moment causing him political headaches. it may not be enough to switch the ticketing and outweigh the cost of looking indecisive. i wouldn't necessarily look for that. but the idea they may be regretting it, sure. that's not the conversation they wanted to be having.

>> peter baker, stay with us. jim mess see that, thank you for being with us. coming up, major democratic donors are pouring a record amount of money into kamala harris's campaign. we'll get new details on why the donor class is moving toward the vice president when cnbc's andrew ross sorkin joins us next. plus, the republican mayor from a key battleground state who says he's backing harris over trump this november. he'll join us ahead on "morning joe." we'll be right back. "morning joe. we'll be right back. since my citi custom cash® card automatically adjusts to earn me more cash back in my top eligible category... suddenly life's feeling a little more automatic. like doors opening wherever i go... [sound of airplane overhead] even the ground is moving for me!

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site, it's hot, mid 90s there in france. major democratic donors have been flocking to kamala harris. her campaign says it's raised more than $200 million in its first week. and the democratic super pac future ford said it had received $150 million in commitments after biden dropped out. for more on the donor class racing towards the vice president, let's bring in co-an nor of "squawk box" and a columnist for the "new york times," andrew ross sorkin. he is live from paris. he's been meeting recently with several ceos. great to see you on your hardship assignment. why don't you tell us a little bit more, please, about these donors and how they seem to have fallen for the vice president. >> reporter: the donation machine has moved to paris. of course, jill biden in paris for the games.

jeffrey katzenberg was raising funds for president biden. he has now switched to raising funds for harris. it has turned into a donation machine, if you will. lots of conversations happening about how much they can raise, how quickly they can raise it. more importantly, also a sense of where vice president harris might move. does she move more to the center? what kind of vice president does she pick up in the next couple of days? that's going to be, i think, very important. if you talk to a lot of these ceos, two or three weeks ago there was almost a resignation that former president trump would become the president. there's been a sea change in the feeling and the view. having said that, there's a lot of campaigning going on here by these ceos to the harris

campaign to say, look, we want you to be more moderate on regulations. they site people like lena kahn, who has been one of the most aggressive regulators. that's clearly a conversation here in paris. another piece of this is there has been a reaching out by the harris campaign. you're hearing it around the crypto industry, where former president trump was recently at a bitcoin conference. a lot of crypto folks are trying to understand where really is vice president harris going to be on these issues. there's so many different pieces of this. again, the question is how much does harris pivot to the center, what else does she say vocally? there's an old video the harris campaign is trying to clean up, an old video where she talks about the difference between quality and equity, with equity being that everybody lands in the same place. that has landed on the wrong end

with some business folks who don't think it represents a meritocracy. >> bonjour, andrew. i heard a snippet of your interview yesterday with jeffrey sonnenfeld and there are no fortune 500 ceos backing -- what's changed and what did you hear from sonnen if he would about that. >> i have to say there has been a sense that somehow jamie dimon was going to come out and support former president trump. that, in truth, was inaccurate. most fortune 500 ceos have been

relatively silent around the election, in part because most of them don't support former president trump and they don't want backlash from him if he becomes the president. and they don't want to come out and say they're against him just because of a vocal group of voters they're worried are going to use their pocketbooks against their companies. the people who speak out in the business community are principals, the folks that own their own companies. the venture capitalist peter thiel and the like who appears to be voting for former president trump. i think in the ceo community, look, the ceo community hates uncertainty. by the way, i think this election now feels more uncertain. in a strange way, remember when i said there was a resignation that former president trump may become the president and they were trying to grapple with

that. now there's a lot of uncertainty. they don't like that either. i think on the other end of it what comes next after the election if former president trump becomes the president, that creates an even greater level of uncertainty in some ways than what they imagine from harris, which they think is going to be closer to what we have now with the biden administration. they want to push harris more to the center to the extent that they can. >> let's end on the olympics, where, of course, you are. tv ratings up and interest up. talk to us about the cost of these games. >> reporter: what's remarkable about these games is they're trying to keep costs down and profits up. the ratings are through the roof this time around. they're trying to make this the most sustainable games ever, trying to reuse properties around france as opposed to creating new ones.

you go back to places like rio where they spent $24 billion, tokyo with $28 billion, sochi may have spent $50 billion. these games are likely to come in at 10 or $12 billion. that's still higher than the original estimate which was supposed to be $7 billion. all in all, i think this is going to become a new trend. you'll see it in milan with the winter games two years from now. you'll see it again in l.a. because they'll try to reuse all of the stadiums in l.a. rather than build their own stuff. then the winter olympics after that end up in the french alps. the other winter olympics are going to go to salt lake. >> also a previous home to the games. cnbc's andrew ross sorkin live from the city of light. thank you. we mentioned earlier that cnn has new reporting describing

jd vance having a history of disparaging people without children. according to the network, vance in november of 2020 said on a conservative podcast that childless americans, especially those in the country's leadership class were more sociopathic than those with children and made the country less mentally stable. vance added that the, quote, most deranged and most psychotic commentators on twitter were typically childless. cnn also reports that in august 2021, one month after launching his candidacy for the senate, vance's campaign send fundraising e-mails referring to the radical childless leaders in this country. that e-mail came after his now infamous, childless cat lady comments on fox news. we have reached out to the trump/vance campaign for comment. what is clear is this is not just a one-off careless comment.

this is something jd vance believed, said frequently and his campaign used it. >> on multiple occasions now. i must say if the harris campaign does not use the, quote, childless sociopath line, then that's greet dereliction of duty. it is the gift that keeps giving from jd vance. i really wonder about the vetting that was done on jd vance. i'm sure it was thorough, but i wonder if who was responsible didn't understand how poorly such comments would play with suburban women. >> and peter baker, it's also a reflection of a person who has spent his whole life online. he's making comments on twitter, in interviews, e-mails. but they're something that has really come to define him. sometimes that first impression is one that's hard to shake in

politics. >> that's exactly right. it's worth remembering jd vance has not spent much time in politics. online provocateur is one thing. he's won one race a year ago in ohio, and that's it. he's now, of course, getting the vetting he seemingly didn't get during the trump campaign. maybe they did that and decided they didn't compare. if they didn't know about these things or they did not about them and didn't think it was a problem. when donald trump makes divisive comments, they're usually aimed at a particular goal. he's deriding the elites, he's deriding the people his voters deride. a lot of his voters don't have children or may want to have them and can't. it's an odd fixation he seems to

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let's preview,ful, what we're hearing from the vice president today in a state that many democrats feel had been slipping away and are now firmly back in play. >> thank you for having me. today the vice president is going to lay out her vision for this country. she is fighting for a future that is going to strengthen and protect our democracy, continue to make sure women have the right to choose, continue to lower costs for everyday working people and for communities that have been for too long been left behind. donald trump is doubling down on an extreme and divisive agenda that is out of touch with america, one based on project 2025 and that's going to continue to roll back rights to voters in this country. >> how optimistic are you that there's a real possibility for democrats to take back georgia

after what was a pretty close victory back in 2020. how optimistic are you? >> i'm very optimistic. i was on the ground in 2022 for senator warnock when we won georgia. because of who donald trump is, because of his extreme agenda and the fact that he is hell bent on continuing to hurt people and lie to get things only for himself in this country. he's not interested in governing. i'm very confident because a lot of people are coming over to the democratic side because of donald trump's views and because of his agenda and now with the enthusiasm we're seeing for vice president and her candidacy, i'm very confident we are going to win georgia. i'm very confident we are going to continue to build on the enthusiasm.

i'm super excited about november. >> quentin, hi, it's peter baker here. she's now one week into this campaign, obviously by any measure had a very good week. the last time she ran for president, she didn't make it to the first primaries. what lessons did she take from that 2020 race? what does she want to do differently this time to make this a more successful campaign than she had four years ago. >> vice president has been the vice president for the past 3 1/2 years. she's obviously learned a great deal of things during that time. our campaign is going to continue to introduce her, talk about the fact that when she was a prosecutor she took on big banks to deliver $20 billion for homeowners, that she lowered the cost of prescription drugs, she has been on the front lines fighting for women's

reproductive rights. we have to be clear about what we're fighting against and that's the core contrast. when you look at everything this campaign is doing from the ad that we put out this morning, it is clear that we are talking about the future, what's at stake and her vision for the country and the people. on the other hand, you see donald trump who is not mentioning one thing he is planning on doing if he were to regain the presidency. it is only about himself and based on racist and sexist attacks, because he doesn't have anything to run on. they're attacking ivf and at the same time criticizing families that have infertility and making comments like jd vance's. the vice president is instructing us to make this about the people and talk about the issues and what's at stake. she's the right person to defeat donald trump because she's done it four years ago and we're continue to continue introducing her and do it again in november.

>> the rally tonight at 7:00 p.m. in atlanta. thank you for joining us. still ahead here, our next guest is a republican who's backing kamala harris, and he's calling on fellow members of his party to do the same. the mayor of mesa, arizona, john giles joins us straight ahead. s. have you ever considered getting a walk-in tub? well, look no further! safe step's best offer, just got better! now, when you purchase your brand new safe step walk-in tub, you'll receive a free shower package. yes, a free shower package! and if you call today, you'll also receive 15% off your entire order.

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♪♪ live shot of the white house on this tuesday morning. as democrats rally around kamala harris's presidential bid, some republicans are speaking out against donald trump and voicing their support instead for the vice president. that includes our next guest, who yesterday wrote an op-ed with this title, "why as a republican mayor, i support kamala harris over trump." republican john giles of mesa,

arizona, wrote, i believe my party has a moral and ethical responsibility to restore faith in our democratic institutions. in the spirit of the late seven john mccain's motto "country first" i call on other people to vote against donald trump. mayor giles, thank you for being with us. let's start with the reaction you are getting from republicans. have some been sharply critical? >> yes and yes. i think the negative response was something that i expected, and it certainly has been there, but frankly, i've been a little taken back by the quantity and the quality of the positive response that i have gotten from republicans, from form republicans, from independents.

so i think sometimes the extremes in my party get such large amount of attention it's easy to forget -- i think still the majority of americans and the majority of republicans are in the snernt, on the political spectrum and are very open to looking for alternatives that are not extreme. >> so mr. mayor, tell us why donald trump should not return to the white house? >> i'm obviously reluctant to as a republican, i love to endorse republicans. so this was a pretty thoughtful process. and also being a mayor, my preference is to avoid getting involved in public partisan fighting whenever possible, but there are certain times that the question that is presented is a moral one and an ethical one and

a question of character and silence is not an option. so that's my argument to my fellow republicans that this is not a year that we can follow tradition or follow misplaced loyalty and vote for a republican at the top of the ticket. donald trump has demonstrated he lacks the character, lacks the commitment to the rule of law and to the united states constitution to qualify as an elected official let alone as president of the united states. >> mayor, thanks for coming on so bright and early this morning. everyone is watching arizona to see which way it breaks because it's a must win for both parties in terms of the senate race, but also the presidential. what's your sense about sort of where the state is going, especially given the abortion referendum that will be on the ballot this fall. what's your gut from what you're hearing about where arizona is headed? >> i think arizona is very much in play. i think you're likely to see a

democrat win the senate seat. i think there are other democrats that are going to do well here. as you mentioned, we do have a state constitutional amendment on abortion that's on the ballot that had twice as many signatures was required and is going to pass comfortably in our state. but in the presidential race, trump has been ahead by 5 or 10 points. so i think the change on the ticket, having the vice president assume the top of the ticket, i think that's brought a lot of energy nationwide, but also in arizona. so i think that gap is closing every day, and arizona is going to be competitive. but it's going to be very close when it comes to the presidential race in arizona. >> mayor, as you wrote in your op-ed, arizona has long embraced john mccain style of

conservatism and maverick willing to test outside the typical norms. how much of a drag do you think that cary lake, the likely nominee, is on the presidential ticket for republicans in arizona? >> well, i don't expect her to be successful. you even see the trump campaign seems to be trying to distance themselves from her. she's so over the top that she turns people off in arizona. so i expect that rubin is going to win comfortably in that race. although, we'll see today if kari lake even wins her primary. i think a lot of people on the republican side have seen that she's not going to do well in the general election. we'll see how that turns out. >> republican mayor of mesa arizona, john giles, thank you for joining us this morning.

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welcome back. another look at some of the morning papers. the spokesman review is highlighting a new study that says wildfire spoke could be linked to brain damage. according to a study of 1.2 million people, wildfire smoke is more dangerous than other air pollutants causing a 21% increase in the chances of a dementia diagnosis. to florida now, the herold tribune is highlighting disadvantaged communities who were overlooked and given worse treatment when receiing aid in the aftermath of a natural disaster. in the wake of hurricane beryl, a quality activist pointed out that poor communities lacked more distribution centers for storm necessities compared to more affluent communities. and to california, the san francisco chronicle is highlighting a new bill to pay

residents to be drug free. the legislation is dubbed "cash, not drugs." welfare recipients diagnosed with substance abuse disorders would get $100 a week for negative drug tests. we have just a moment for final thoughts. peter baker, let's start with you. what are you looking for today on the campaign trail? >> i think we're heading into the dog days of summer. normally, august is not a hot period for campaign, but in fact, it's going to be one of the most extraordinary periods we have seen many american politics. you have a brand new candidate introducing herself. she's going to have to pick a vice presidential choice. and she's had a pretty good week. that doesn't mean there aren't trip wires ahead and how she handle it is is going to be very revealing and how the trump campaign responds is going to be revealing. watch for the ad that the

campaign is putting out today and watch for how trump begins to pivot in terms of j.d. vance and what he says about kamala harris and how he pivots against the campaign against biden. >> is there anything you're watching for today that you'd like to hear from kamala harris? >> i was going to say, august is the month of the cat lady strike back. that's what we're going to be watching. she needs georgia. she has to bring them together. unite the party. turn people out. >> i think georgia is going to be an example of the new enthusiasm. a month ago shs the biden team thought georgia was slipping away. now very much back in play. >> plus atlanta is hot today. there's a big crowd. 15,000 people. >> that does it for us this morning. thank you for watching. we'll see you again here tomorrow morning at 6:00 a.m. eastern. jose diaz-balart picks up the coverage right now. right now on msnbc reports, breaking news on capitol hill. the senate's first hearing io