it is a big day in presidential politics. kamala harris will be taking the stage that you see there in atlanta. msnbc is going to bring you that big speech. she was joined by both senators from georgia, which turned blue and democratic, and a performance just moments ago by megan thee stallion in the blue, the democratic blue, the tie, the vibe of the campaign. this is another example of much of the quick and authentic enthusiasm we have seen across culture and politics for this new harris campaign, as the presumptive presidential nominee. that's where we started and that's where we end the hour. keep it locked on msnbc. joy reid continues our coverage of that rally and this big presidential race now. good evening, everyone.

we begin "the reidout" tonight with vice president kamala harris who is holding a packed rally right now in atlanta. this is the georgia state convocation center with a guest performance by rapper megan thee stallion rapping up. she joins a legion of celebrities and musicians who have recently come out in support of harris' bid, as the vice president has quickly emerged as a political star and meme maker in her own right. she is expected to appear on that stage soon. and we'll go to her live as soon as we see her. vp harris continues to capitalize on the momentum she's built after president biden's exit from the race. her campaign has also unveiled its first ad titled fearless. >> the one thing kamala harris has always been -- fearless. >> this campaign is about who we fight for. >> we believe in a future where every person has the opportunity

not just to get by but to get ahead. where every senior can retire with dignity. but donald trump wants to take our country backward. to give tax breaks to billionaires and big corporations and end the affordable care act. but we are not going back. >> the $50 million ad buy comes as trump is also wrapping up his ad spending over the next two weeks. and speaking of trump, the more he hedges, the more vp harris trolls. in a fox interview that aired monday night, trump was pressed several times on whether he would commit to a debate. trump said he would probably end up debating vp harris but said he could also make the case for not doing it. after the interview aired, the harris campaign issued a press release with a headline that referred to trump as ducking don. fearless kamala versus ducking don. joining me now from the rally in

atlanta is nbc news washington correspond yamiche alcindor. if you can hear me, talk about the crowd, the vibe, and what you are seeing around you. >> reporter: well, joy, good evening. right behind me, the rapper quavo is speaking, and this crowd of 10,000 people the campaign tells me, is really just so excited. i have been talking to people here who feel relieved, who feel like kamala harris has the momentum and the enthusiasm to win this election. all night, people have been dancing, they have been doing the cupid shuffle. people are saying they're going to walk it out to the polls. megan thee stallion, the acclaimed grammy winning rapper was just performing and someone had a sign saying hotties for harris. what you feel when you're around these people is a sense this party feels like their vision for america will go forward and that vice president harris is really igniting this energy for people. so she's actually taking the stage right now.

and you can hear beyonce playing. it just tells you sort of how she's going to keep leaning in on what she considers the campaign that's going to be swage, modern, fresh. definitely a difference from president biden who people have said has a great legacy, but people are saying it's time to turn a page, time to make history, and this black woman, this south asian woman, these voters are telling me, is the reason so many people are excited in the state of georgia which is critical to win the state, possibly, because biden won the state by 12,000 votes, just under 12,000 votes. this will be a close election and vice president harris from my understanding is going to be saying that she needs all of these people, not just to dance, not just to be here, but to go to the polls to mobilize, to make calls, to knock on doors. that's the message along with talking about the economy and a number of other issues, joy. >> yamiche alcindor, nbc's yamiche alcindor with great assignment, getting to hang out there and do your great reporting in the midst of all that fun and excitement. thank you so much. let me come to the table and bring in alens yeah johnson,

former senior adviser for the biden/harris 2020 campaign and founder of 1063 west board, and sarah matthews, former trump white house press secretary. hotties for harris. i want to talk to you about the vibe. what we're seeing there is what generational change looks like. i'm going to warn both of you i will rudely cut you off if we see vp harris walk out, so we can go to her live. but i'm thinking about the rnc convention that we saw last week. the celebrities that we saw there were kid rock, amber rose, hulk hogan, and the guy who slapped his wife who fights, you know, ww -- he's some sort of live fighter. that was their stars. quavo, megan thee stallion, cardi b., and music cleared from beyonce. they had the dude last night on a call with white guys for harris. it's generationally, it's just

different. and culturally. >> it's totally different culturally. last week, we were talking about kamala's brat and charlie xcx, and now the juxtaposition, that's showing the broad coalition and the excitement and this cultural moment that quite frankly i haven't seen in our politics since 2008 when president obama was running. and people were really excited. especially the belief that he could win. and i think that's showing us that folks are saying, oh, my goodness, she can wait. hotties for harris, the campaign hasn't adopted it yet, but i'm telling them, adopt it. it t-shirts are out there, the swifties are already organizing. it's a cultural moment that we're going to have to continue this momentum through election day, but we're in the middle of a sprint. we have less than 100 days. we actually can continue this momentum moving forward. >> 98 days, and sarah, this is the thing that i think the republican party is going to struggle with. republican voters tend to be

older. they tend to be whiter, but again, not all the white guys are there, because all the white guys were white guys for harris last night, a lot of ofolks there, but they tend to be a less diverse party. also a party that appeals more to older voters. the challenge now is you set up another opportunity for a 2008 moment where it's a change in generation, when people want change, do they want to go back to trump's schtick, or do they want to go forward to something new? that's a challenge for the trump campaign. >> i think it's been really smart of the harris campaign to lean into that messaging of future versus past, and her newest campaign ad where she comes out and says we're not going back, and that moment she had at the rally where there were the chants, it was really powerful. >> let's listen. here she comes. here comes vice president kamala harris in a light blue suit. we have to talk a little bit about the sartorial splendor here. she does wear a pants suit. she does love a pant suit. here she comes taking in the crowd. let's listen and take it in as

well. >> good evening. good evening, georgia. [ cheers and applause ] thank you, thank you. thank you.

thank you. thank you, thank you, thank you. thank you. thank you, everyone. thank you, thank you. [ cheers and applause ] >> thank you all, thank you very much. thank you, everybody. oh, it's good to be back in georgia. thank you. can we please hear it for tyler. i want to thank tyler for that incredible introduction. i invited him, and several other young entrepreneurs to come and visit with me at the white house. and we had a really very long and important conversation about the future of america. and tyler, you represent the best of our future.

thank you. and please give it up for quavo. and megan. so it's so good to see everyone. let me also thank our incredible members of congress who are with us this evening. senator jon ossoff. senator raphael warnock. and representative nikema williams. to mayor andre dickens, thank you for welcoming me to atlanta. and thank you to the great stacey abrams. extraordinary leadership. so georgia, it is so good to be

back. and i am very clear, the path to the white house runs right through this state. and you all helped us win in 2020. and we're going to do it again in 2024. yes, we will. so let's get right down -- so i'm going to get into some business now. i'm going to get into some business now. all right. so georgia, as many of you know, before -- and have a seat if you have a chair. as many of you know, before i was elected vice president and before i was elected a united states senator, i was an elected attorney general and an elected

district attorney. and before that, i was a courtroom prosecutor. so in those roles, i took on perpetrators of all kinds. predators who abused women. fraudsters who ripped off consumers. cheaters who broke the rules for their own gain. so hear me when i say, i know donald trump's type. [ cheers and applause ] i know the type. and i have been dealing with people like him my entire career. for example, as attorney general of california, i took on one of our country's largest for-profit

colleges that was scamming students. well, donald trump ran a for-profit college that scammed students. as a prosecutor, i specialized in child sexual abuse cases and sexual abuse cases. well, trump was found liable for committing sexual abuse. and as an attorney general, i held the big wall street banks accountable for fraud. donald trump was just found guilty of fraud. 34 counts. so in this campaign -- >> [ chanting lock him up ]

>> so in this campaign, i will proudly put my record against his any day of the week. any day of the week. including, for example, on the issue of immigration. so i was the attorney general of a border state. in that job, i walked underground tunnels between the united states and mexico on that border with law enforcement officers. i went after transnational gangs. drug cartels and human traffickers that came into our country illegally. i prosecuted them. in case after case, and i won. donald trump -- donald trump on the other hand, has been talking a big game about securing our border.

but he does not walk the walk. or as my friend quavo would say, he does not walk it like he talks it. where is quavo? look, our administration worked on the most significant border security bill in decades. some of the most conservative republicans in washington, d.c. supported the bill. even the border patrol endorsed it. it was all set to pass. but at the last minute, trump directed his allies in the senate to vote it down. right. he tanked, tanked the bipartisan

deal because he thought it would help him win an election. which goes to show, donald trump does not care about border security. he only cares about himself. and when i am president, i will work to actually solve the problem. so here is my pledge to you. as president, i will bring back the border security bill that donald trump killed, and i will sign it into law. and show donald trump what real leadership looks like. but make no mistake, this

campaign is not just about us versus donald trump. truly, this campaign is about two very different visions for our nation. one focused on the future. the other focused on the past. we believe in a future where every person has the opportunity to build a business, to own a home, to build intergenerational wealth. a future with affordable health care, affordable child care, paid leave. and all of this is to say, building up the middle class will be a defining goal of my

presidency. because we here all know, when our middle class is strong, america is strong. and to keep our middle class strong, families need relief from the high cost of living so that they have a chance, not just to get by, but to get ahead. and yes, it is true that by many indicators our economy is the strongest in the world. but while inflation is down and wages are up, prices are still too high. you know it and i know it. and when we win this election, here's what we're going to do

about it. on day one, i will take on price gouges and bring down costs. we will ban more of those hidden fees and surprise late charges that banks and other companies use to pad their profits. we will take on corporate landlords and cap unfair rent increases. and we will take on big pharma to cap prescription drug costs for all americans. our plan will lower costs and save many middle class families thousands of dollars a year. but donald trump has a different plan in mind.

one that would raise prices on middle class families. just look at his project 2025 agenda. i take it you've seen it. project 2025 is a plan to weaken the middle class. be clear. and donald trump intends to cut social security and medicare. he intends to give tax breaks to billionaires and big corporations. he intends to gut our investments in clean energy jobs. he intends to end the affordable care act. to take us back to a time when insurance companies had the power to deny people with pre-existing conditions. you guys remember what that was? children with asthma, breast

cancer survivors, grandparents with diabetes. georgia, america has tried these failed policies before. and we are not going back. we're not going back. we're not going back. [ crowd chanting not going back ] that's right. and we are not going back because ours is a fight for the future. and it is a fight for freedom. and we are witnessing a full-on assault on hard-fought, hard-won freedoms and rights. the freedom to vote. the freedom to be safe from gun

violence. the freedom to live without fear of bigotry and hate. the freedom to love who you love openly and with pride. the freedom to learn and acknowledge our true and full history. and the freedom of a woman to make decisions about her own body. and not have her government tell her what to do. ours is a fight for the future and for freedom. and i don't have to tell folks in atlanta that generations of americans before us led the fight for freedom. and now, the baton is in our

hands. each and every one of us. and we love our country. we love our country. and i believe it is the highest form of patriotism to fight for the ideals of our country. and so we who believe in the sacred freedom to vote will finally pass the freedom to vote act and the john lewis voting rights act. we who believe in the freedom to live safe from gun violence will finally pass universal background checks. red flag laws. and an assault weapons ban.

we who believe in reproductive freedom will stop donald trump's extreme abortion bans and when congress passes a law to restore reproductive freedoms, as president of the united states, i will sign it into law. [ cheers and applause ] so november 5th, november 5th, is in 98 days. in 98 days, and let's level set, friends. let's level set. we have a fight in front of us. we have a fight in front of us. and we are the underdogs in this

race. we are. but you see, this is a people powered campaign. ours is a people powered campaign. in fact, after i announced my candidacy, we saw the best week of grassroots fund-raising in presidential campaign history. and if you go to kamalaharris.com, you can help us build on that success. so the momentum in this race is shifting. and there are signs that donald trump is feeling it. you may have noticed. so last week, you may have seen, he pulled out of the debate in september he had previously

agreed to. so here's the thing. here's the funny thing about that. here's the funny thing about that. so he won't debate, but he and his running mate sure seem to have a lot to say about me. and by the way, don't you find some of their stuff to just be plain weird? well, donald. i do hope you'll reconsider to meet me on the debate stage. because as the saying goes, if you got something to say, say it

to my face. [ cheers and applause ] >> thank you, thank you. so georgia, in the next 98 days, we have our work cut out for us. and this is not going to be easy. this is hard work, but we like hard work. hard work is good work. so georgia, today i ask you, are

you ready to get to work? do we believe in freedom? do we believe in opportunity? do we believe in the promise of america? and are we ready to fight for it? and when we fight, we win. god bless you. god bless the united states. ♪♪ >> vice president kamala harris walking out to her walk-on song "freedom" by of course the great beyonce, who cleared that music for her. quite a speech in atlanta, georgia. and i think she kind of enjoyed

it. let's go through a little bit of what she said. she opened right away getting some love. we'll continue to watch that crowd while we kind of recap it a little bit. vice president harris went right to her past roles as a prosecutor, saying she took on predators of all kinds, and then named several kinds of predators, for-profit colleges, said trump has done that, sexual abusers, trump has done that. big banks charged with fraud, and then she said trump, of course, has been convicted of fraud, to which the crowd begand to chant "lock him up." she said she would proudly put her record against donald trump's any day of the week. she went right to immigration, one of the issues that will be difficult for democrats to deal with, but she went right to it, talking about being an attorney general of a border state, talking about prosecuting those who violated the law. saying that donald trump talks a big game but does not walk the walk. then she quoted quavo, who was on stage two persons before her,

saying that donald trump does not walk it like he talks it. a little cultural reference for the crowd. got a big cheer for that. she then also talked about the border bill that donald trump blocked, saying he does not care about immigration. he only cares about himself. she said she will bring back that border bill and she will sign it as president. number three, she then went to the differences between the trump vision and the vision that she and her campaign are bringing, meaning that the one vision, the trump vision, is focused on the past, and the other is focused on the future. that's a big theme of this campaign. then she went into some of the things she believes people need to have the freedom to do, building intergeneration wealth, a big issue in fulton county, georgia, where that message i think resonates with a lot of younger voters, young african american men who have talked about needing to hear more economic issues. she talked about bringing down the cost of living, standing up to corporate landlords who are

unfairly raising rents. she talked about trump's plan that would raise prices, make things less affordable than they are now, and she closed with we are not going back. then she goes into the war on freedom. she said the baton is in our hands and it's the highest form of patriotism to fight for the ideals of our country. then she landed with donald trump pulling out of that debate. she said, donald trump doesn't want to debate her, but he sure has a lot to say about me, was her quote. she said if you got something to say, donald, say it to my face. still with me here at the table, alencia johnson and sarah matthews. what did you think? >> listen, that was the presidential speech. and the kamala harris that i know, joy, we were talking about this, and a lot of people saw when she was attorney general when she was in the senate, but her message is so clear. and this energy that she's getting is showing her confidence on stage. right? she's not lying.

she's going through donald trump's rap sheet, which are all facts, and then going through this vision of america which she literally represents what project 2025 was designed to not exist in this country, the woman of color, daughter of immigrants, about to be president of the united states. the other thing i want to talk about, we have been talking about this cultural moment we're having and i know republicans are probably going to brush it off as celebrities just endorsing. >> they did that with obama too. >> they did. >> quavo has been in d.c. multiple times with the white house and the office of gun violence prevention. megan thee stallion has been a huge proponent of climate change, abortion rights, so many issues. and so you see these people who have huge platforms when it comes to their artistry, now realizing that their voice on issues that matter to them as humans can actually be represented, and i think we're going to continue to see more of that. beyonce green lit freedom because she wrote a song about this moment. and it's very -- it means a lot that she green lit this for vice

president harris. >> i'll mention with megan thee stallion, she's already interacted with the vice president on some of these issues. some of these are the vice president taking advantage of existing relationships in the culture. she didn't have to book them and hope they would show up. these are people who already were in the world in which she's been operating. it's just that we in the media have not covered her enough for people to understand some of the things she's been doing. now that people are discovering her anew, they're discovering all these relationships she brings with her. i will say she sounds a lot like state of the black union kamala harris from 2006. she hasn't changed, but it's just that her renewed confidence and her renewed self-confidence is just showing. she seems to be enjoying it. sarah, i wanted to go to you on something i thought was really interesting. she went right to immigration. that second thing, making that really high up in the speech and promising to sign what is really a pretty conservative immigration bill. she's kind of also showing she's willing to tack to the center on something that has been an issue that republicans want to lean on. >> that's correct.

i think that she knows that immigration is a weak point for democrats, and look, i was disapointed in that first presidential debate between biden and trump because -- >> so was joe biden, by the way. >> exactly correct. but when that topic came up, joe biden didn't mention this. he did not mention that trump helped kill this bipartisan border bill that would have been the most funding for the border in decades. so it was really smart of her to bring that up right at the top of the speech, the trump campaign has been trying to kind of define her as, she was the border czar in charge of this issue in the biden administration. when she was actually tasked with helping with the root causes of migration. she wasn't necessarily in charge of the whole border. but they are trying to make her attached to that issue because it is a weaker spot for joe biden. so i think it's smart that she's saying hey, i'm going to sign that bill. if i'm president and it comes across my desk, i would sign that into law. as you mentioned, it's a pretty conservative piece of legislation. >> by the way, on what she was

actually doing, one of the countries she dealt with was guatemala, and the compact she was able to sign reduced the number of people coming from guatemala and some other of the countries she was dealing directly with. so i think they think that they're going to have a stronger play against her on that than they really will because her actual record is she helped to reduce the number of people coming across the border. >> i was going to add to the immigration conversation. there are those pieces and we also have to talk about under president trump, his policies in central america exacerbated the migrant entry, exacerbated the poverty, the crime, that people are leaving their homes. nobody actually wants to leave their home. it was his sanctions and his policies that got us into this crisis, and now he's telling the people who are acting as the firefighters that they can't put out the fire they started. >> we have about a minute left. the issues that i think has been animating democratic victories in the midterms, the last midterm was huge for democrats new york red wave, didn't

happen. abortion was the issue. it's just different having a woman make that case. and i think the challenge for the trump campaign is that you now have a woman who also as a prosecutor dealt with things like sexual predation and prosecuting sexual predators while they're saying women who are victims of sexual predators should give birth. it's a tight spot for the trump team. >> it's been really smart of her to lean into her background as a prosecutor. it was something she kind of shied away from. >> because young voters didn't seem to love it. >> now they love it because they see the opposing ticket is a convicted felon. what's a stronger contrast that than. and as you mentioned on the abortion message, she really is the best messenger for the democratic party on this issue. as she's been out there on the stump the last couple years talking about this issue, we have seen her grow in her confidence. she's gotten so much stronger and more comfortable on stage. if i'm the trump campaign watching this rally tonight, i'm

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president back in 2015 and 2016. and he has looked at me as somebody who can contributing to the future of the country. this is not a vengeful guy. the media lies about donald trump more than anybody i have ever seen in public life. he's a good grandfather, a good father. he likes the american people and loves this country. this is why he's doing it. >> oh, where to begin? first of all, james david, donald trump has got to be rethinking his decision to bring you on to the ticket because you're just weird, man. just real talk. second, not a vengeful guy? his unofficial 2016 campaign slogan was lock her up. and third, you're evidence that he's not a vengeful guy is he allegedly is a big family man. about that, a new book today by one of trump's nephews, fred

trump iii, the son of trump's late brother fred jr., provides an inside look into the trump family and the actions of donald himself that refute jd's claims including when donald trump cut off the medical insurance for fred's disables newborn son. that happened after fred and his sister mary trump, who you have no doubt seen on this network and this show and who wrote her all tell-all book a few years ago, sued their uncle donald and their other uncles and aunts when they tried to steal fred and mary's inheritance following the death of their grandfather and donald trump's father, fred senior. yep, sounds like quite the family guy, that donald. joining me is fred trump iii, author of "all in the family, the trumps and how we got this way." thank you so much for being here. let me read a little excerpt from your book. this is the part where trump responds when it became public that he cut off the medical insurance for your son, for his disabled grand nephew. when the reporter asked if he

thought he might be coming across as just a little cold hearted given our son's medical condition, my uncle shot back, i can't help that. it's cold when someone sues my father. is this the way that your uncle always was with your family or did it change when your son was born and when his parents died? >> donald has always had that streak in him of needing to win at all costs. and when mary and i challenged him and my aunts and uncle, other uncle robert, he couldn't accept that. it would have been nice if he was just gracious and said, hey, you guys are going through something unimaginable. but he couldn't bring himself to do that. so it's too bad. >> yeah. i have another excerpt here. this is after an oval office meeting with you and advocates

for individuals with disabilities and their families. this is what he said, a quote, those people, donald said trailing off, the shape they're in. all the expenses. maybe those kinds of people should just die. i truly did not know what to say. he was talking about expenses. we were talking about human lives. and there's one more book excerpt. this is even closer to home. this is from your book. donald took a second as if he was thinking. this is about your own son. and donald took a second as if he was thinking about the whole situation. i don't know, he finally said, letting out a sigh. he doesn't recognize you. maybe you should just let him die and move down to florida. that is as callous as it gets. that is as ugly as it gets. what was your relationship to him after that? and i don't even know -- just express your thoughts on that if you could. >> well, it's hard to explain how someone could say that about any human being, least of all his grand nephew.

the interesting part, joy, is that donald never met william. so he didn't know or understand the inspiration william has been to so many people. so heartless is certainly a way to describe it. but that unfortunately is what i think we're seeing donald has morphed into over the years. interesting to go back to the oval office story. we were in fact talking about better efficiencies in advocating for the complex disability community. meaning in efficiency, spending less and getting more for it. so that he brought up expenses was a little surprising to me. >> yeah. there is evidence that donald trump has a sort of revulsion

toward disabled people. he didn't want to be near bob dole who had a disability from being a war hero. he made fun of and mocked a disabled reporter. is that it, he really is just disgusted by people who are disabled? >> he does not have an affinity for folks that he deems to be lesser than him. and i think we're seeing that. not just with disabled. any group of people that he feels below him. and as i have been saying, he will use them, people, as pawns and then cast them aside when he gets the goal that he's trying to achieve. >> does that include black people? because he's pretending he would like to appeal to the african american community, but you report in your book that he is not unfamiliar with dropping the n-bomb and with the hard r. >> yeah, you're referring to a situation back when i was about 10 years old, when somebody had slashed the roof of his el

dorado cadillac, and i was there and i heard him say the n-word twice. and what shocked me other than the word was the fact that he did not know who in fact slashed his roof. so he just assumed that it was somebody who was black. >> you have announced you're supporting vice president kamala harris for president. did you vote for your uncle when he ran in 2016 and 2020? and why are you supporting vice president harris now? >> i did not vote for donald. and the reason why is i believe in policy over politics. the policies of the republican party are what they have turned into is antithetical to what i believe. i am supporting vice president harris. i am going to vote for her. i will campaign for her if asked. her policies are what i believe

in. i think, and this is not hyperbole. this is freedom on the line. she will move freedom forward. everything that we, up until recently, have cherished in this country. the policies of the republican party are going to drive us backwards, and that's a scary place to be. she also, and i am confident of this, will help lead the charge to advocate for people with complex disabilities. >> she also recently gave an interview with a disabled person and the empathy she showed, her ability to listen, to communicate, i can't imagine donald trump doing that. i guess my final question to you is do you believe that, you know, a lot of people find your uncle distasteful, cruel, mean, you can throw a lot of sort of adjectives around. do you think he's dangerous? >> i think some of his thoughts

and actions are not physically dangerous. i think they are dangerous for this country. and could do great harm to it. >> and if he became president, do you believe he would leave office ever? >> i have -- no. he would continue on. and as i have said, even if he loses this time, which he will never accept, he would run again in 2028. >> he will keep trying. do you think that's fear of going to prison or just a quest for power, a lust for power? >> i don't have an answer for your first question. i just think it's for, he doesn't like to lose. he hates to lose. there's nothing worse to him than losing. >> fred trump, i thank you so there is nothing worse to him than losing. >> fred trump, i thank you for the insights that only you can provide, so thank you. best of luck with the book. coming up, gretchen whitmer, governor of michigan and a key campaign surrogate

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yesterday whitmer joined a popular swing state governor, pennsylvania's josh shapiro in a philly suburb to rally roughly 1000 supporters. shapiro is a top contender to be harris's running mate. joining me as michigan governor gretchen whitmer, cochair of the harris campaign and author of true gretch, what i learned about life, leadership and everything in between. it is so nice to see you, in person, for the first time. let's talk about this because one of the things i find so interesting about you is your

nickname. my friends in michigan call you big gretch. how did you come to embrace that name? >> i am named after my grandmother's. grandma gretchen always said don't let them call you anything shorter than gretchen. so i had an aversion to gretch. during the pandemic when the former president was attacking me, people in detroit started calling me big gretch because i was standing up to people. there is a song and it is my new favorite nickname. >> my former stage manager used to call me big cheryl and i found it so hilarious because it was from a sitcom in the 80s. it's cool. let's talk about what everyone is talking about regarding you. let's get it out of the way. will you be on the ticket? would you be interested in being vice president? what do you think? >> first let me say this. i think kamala harris will be

an excellent president and she will pick a fantastic running mate. i made a commitment to michigan and i will keep that commitment. i will be her best friend on the ground in a state she has to take to win this thing. people are really excited. we are saying people want to volunteer and make contributions. there is energy whether it was michigan or new hampshire last week. i was in pennsylvania yesterday with josh shapiro for the campaign. we are having bigger numbers than we expect. people are jazzed up, but in the swing states it is a dead heat. a big improvement, but a dead heat, so we can't take our eye off the ball. >> i think people keep bringing it up because you happen to be leading an all woman administration, so it is proof it can be done. if it can be done in michigan. i will leave it there, because you have made it clear. i want to talk about one more thing before we get your amazing book.

there are election deniers who put themselves in positions to certify elections in multiple states. what can be done to counter efforts to refuse to certify an election. let's say vice president prevails in michigan? >> one thing is we know the law better than the other guys do, so we are prepared to use every tool at our disposal to make sure votes get counted and certified. we are welcoming people who want to knock on doors in michigan. we are welcoming lawyers who want to make sure we are ready for the legal challenges we are anticipating and i think we enhanced our laws to protect election workers and create tougher penalties for people who try to stoke violence, but all of that being said, we can't make any assumptions. we have to keep doing the work and i think that is why the focus on michigan will have to remain. >> you think things have shifted with the vice president at the head of the ticket?

>> i do think so. i take nobody and no vote for granted, so i am showing up and doing the work, but yes. >> let's talk about this book. you wrote this book at a time when you are in the spotlight and you talked about terrible experiences you had as governor. there was a plot against your life. the idea that doing things like mass mandates and trying to prevent people from dying from covid. when you process those experiences, what you take from them? >> i remember standing in my office when i was about to give my regular covid update. looking out the window there was a big menstruation. people showed up with confederate flags, nazi symbols. there was a dark-haired barbie hanging from a news. i took a picture. it was one of the insults that tromped through my way. it is the reason we need the second amendment. i share that because that is a moment when i realized i better

get away from the window. i don't want people out there with long guns to see me standing there when they've got this stuff, but it was a stunning moment when i realized i was trying to save people's lives and people were threatening mine. the political rhetoric in this country has gotten so dangerous. i am glad to see someone like mike johnson saying let's turn down the heat, but i want to be clear. i've been seeing this for three years. i was the target of it, stoked by the leader of their party. it is not okay to call it out only when it is turned on you. we all have a responsibility here. republicans and democrats alike to bring the heat down in this country and we deserve better. >> what is your take away? there are so many things that that brings up. open carry. the idea of people being able to easily get their hands on guns. the fact people could show up at your workplace, which is the people's workplace, armed. is that something that needs to change, even in michigan?

>> we have to change it. this country is founded on robust debate. there have been knockdown, drag outs of the capital, but no one was threatening each other's lives. there could be different views and have debates and find common ground at the end of the day. right now we see too many people who are eager to divide us and stoke violence and turn supporters against their political opponent as if they are enemies. that is not acceptable. that is dangerous and the thing i think about is what are we teaching our young people? our kids are roughly the same age. they have come of age in a time when people regularly threaten violence. pick up guns and try to kill one another. it is not acceptable. >> one of the most popular governors in the country, someone on the minds of audible people in this election season. the book is n's. i think you are going to want to read this, because you learned a lot in your young life.

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