board member. it's my 35th year but this is where leadership failed to factor all these things in. i was going to leave because i have to go to sheila jackson lee's funeral but if that man lies and they do not challenge him, you were going to hear somebody from the audience singing stop lying. we, as journalists, must be arbiters of truth. we cannot and should not be so graceful and allowing somebody to lie in front of us, especially somebody with his history. >> exactly and we should not give them the platform to lie to our faces. thank you so much for joining us. appreciate it. that is all in on this tuesday night. day night. good evening. >> good evening. always a pleasure to see you.

there's just 98 days left until election day. and the momentum behind kamala harris' campaign shows no signs of letting up. tonight 10,000 harris supporters packed into an arena. the vice president was introducedce by three time gram winner and rap megastar megan thee stallion. the vice president used that exact moment to issue a challenge to donald trump. >> theal momentum in this race shifting, and there are signs that donald trump is feeling it. he pulled out of the debate in september he had previously agreed to. well, donald, i do hope you'll reconsider to meet me on the debate stage because as the saying goes, if you've got

something to say, say it to my face. >> well, that rally comes as new battleground stateew polling shs kamala harris has effectively wiped out trump's lead in all of the key swing states. in michigan the latest bloomberg morning consul poll shows harris leading trump. and all shows harris in a statistical tie within the margin of error. trump leads harris by 4 points in pennsylvania and by 2 points in northoi carolina. the candidates, they are running dead even in georgia. asin the vice president's campan heats e up, the republican candidate and his running mate, well, they areru spending their time, running away from their n unpopular statements and policies. for weeks democrats have been hammering the trump campaign over project 2025, the extreme policyhe agenda created by a

conservative think tank as a blueprint for a second trump administration. today the daily beast was first to report that the trump campaign has officially forced that conservative think tank to part ways with an architect of project 2025. according20 to that report trum campaign manager chris lasuvita put the screws to mastermind paul dans. following that reporting the trump campaign released a statement trying to publicly distance itself from the project saying, o quote, report of projt 2025's demise would be greatly welcome. but if trumpat really wants to t ties with project to25, well he might have to start firing people a littleve closer to hom. a new book from the architects of project 2025 promoting their newe agenda is set to be relead later this year. theas forward is written by non other than trump's running mate

j.d. vance. promotedce the back back when i original title was get this burning down washington. trump as you know has tried to explain away bizarre and offensive statements he made denigrating adults who it do noo have children referring to them derissively as childless cat ladies even arguing parents votesg should count more than those of nonparents. reporters have unearthed more video of j.d. vance calling people without children deranged, psychotic, and sociopaths. >> there's just theseyc basic cadences ofba life that i think are really powerful and really valuable when you have kids in your wlife, and the fact that many people especially in america's leadership class just

don't have that in their lives, i worry it makes people more sociopathic, and ultimately our whole country a little bit less mentally stable. you go on twitter and almost always the people who are most deranged and most psychotic are people who don't have kids at home. we care about children becausen we're not sociopaths, and we don't want to livee in a socie with sociopaths. >> senator, thank you so much for being with us. we will get to your fellow senator j.d. vance in just a ju second, but first i want to talk about that new pooling out today from bloomberg news and morning consul. it shows trump and harris. that is of course a stronger showing than we saw when that was aa matchup between preside biden and former president trump. i wonder what you think it is about harris' candidacy that is really activating those voters. >>th yeah, well, first of all gd

toir be back with you, and the numbers are not surprising. i think the onee thing we didn hear kamala say is bring it on because we know that vice president harris is bringing it campaign trail. you see the numbers shifting. you see thee excitement. you saw that crowd in atlanta tonight. well more than 10,000 people at that rally. that felt like a mini convention already while the democratic convention is still ai couple weeks away. but i think the response to her entering the race, the quick consolidation of support amongst democrats and what we're feeling on the ground to me doesn't come as a surprise. i've known her leadership and the electric nature of her personality for many years from our days in california. you don't getda to be a successl d.a. ofsf san francisco, a successful attorney general in california, a u.s. senator for california, and then be picked by president biden to be the vice president without the credibility, the experience, the

credentials, and thenc ideas to move our country forward. that's what people are responding to. the race may be close today, but we're feeling increasingly positive about democratic wins in november. we just have 98 days to continue to do the work. >> senator padilla, there's new reporting harris planning to campaign with her running mate as early as -- >> that was a combination of things. it's probably then most importt and personal selection that she'll make in her career. who will be her ultimate governing partnerul in the harr universe? and i think just as president did with her she's going to look first at somebody ready to step into the role of president of the united states if necessary. so there won't be a debate about

qualifications or preparation. it'll be somebody she feels comfortable with, a true governing partner, and a lot of great talent on the democratic bench for her to choose from. couldn't be more excited. >> as you said a lot of excitement thatid bears out in e pollingou you and just talked about and also bears out in the fund-raising numbers since she announced her candidacy. and yet the harris campaign quick to remind us she remains the underdog in this race. how do yo see it? >> look, it's a mentality we have to keep. president of the los angeles city council, first latino to represent california in the senate, i know what she has gone through and has to fight to overcome to prove herself. elected attorney general in california to become the first woman african american,

southeast asian vice president of the united states and on the verge of making tremendous history for our country. that's a lot you're working against letou alone the negativity, the hate from trump and republicans. november is not guaranteed. we know the stakes are high, but increasingly democrats across the country and independents across the country are going to put in the work to organize, fund raise, get out the vote because we need to win this november. >> senator padilla, we only have about a minute left but i want to get your take on j.d. vance and the fact americans are continuing to learn about the comments he's made about childless people, specifically childless women. are you surprised by any of it? >> it's appalling. it is offensive, and as much as we've learned by now i'm sure there's more coming from where that came from. but it's not shocking in the least bit because we also know

who donald trump is. and donald trump chose as his running mates nothing other than yes men. it's just a continued reflection of what we know trump is all about. he's not about governance. he's not about inclusivity. he's not about anything positive. he's about hate,bo bitterness, division. his only agenda tax breaks for the wealthy and extremist judges that are part of why we're in this position to begin with. democracy's at stake, democracy is on the ballot this november, and we're going to do what it takes to win. >> i asked about the odds so thank you for focusing on the stakes. thanks for your time. joining me nowr editor at larg for the 19th and aaron sullenberger. thank you for both being with us. you have senators this week trying to expand the tax credit and some trying to block it. iin wonder how that looks.

the importance of children and taxing childless americans. >> you had kamala harris tonight at the y rally i literally just left in atlanta talking about fighting for middle class families and she brought up child careug is something she wouldre prioritize. i think we've seen that j.d. vance's role -- >> oh, no, erin, i lost you. but roger, you have a new piece out tonight called trump forces out project 2025 mastermind. tell me what you know. has the damage already been done? >> yeah, i think this really wasn't much about what project 2025 is and what project 2025

even will do as much as it was about who project 2025 is. right now there's been a lot of jockeying for power over people installing what would be potential installing the next trump administration. and -- has forced out the director project 2025 at the heritage foundation. the trump campaign thinks this being the demise of the project 2025. the head of theoj heritage foundation responded with a statement of hisun own saying o you know, project 2025 is going to bepr ongoing. it'sto really about who's goingo be atea the controls implementi these policies. it does come at a politically testy moment for this initiative. we've seen a whole lot of, you know, popular blow back against

project 2025, and these were published more than a year ago and they've been outa there foa while.he a lot has been accomplished in terms of this -- this think tank's efforts. but what we're seeing right now is just sort of maybe a reshuffling of who's actually going to be in charge of implementing it. >> right, especially because a lot of it squares with trump's own stated agenda, right, all of this about gutting the administrative state, gutting federal agencies. we havein heard that from trump himself. you don't necessarily need to see it in project 2025 to know it's something he'skn intereste in.etin i'veigate to ask you about j.d. vance. you sort of underline how his fingerprints are all over project 2025. vance wrote the forward to a forthcoming book, dawn's early light, taking back washington to save america. i don't know how they disentangle vance from any of this. >> yeah, it's pretty tough.

actually the transition to kamala harris has kind of t gind themnd up on this. project 2025 hitting the mainstream has ginned them up. now people are starting to pay attention to it, and it's become just a little bit too late i think for j.d. vance to withdraw maybe his forward to this book from kevin roberts. i suggest everyone go read it if they can. allusions to i guess a violent stand against the existing system. they've gotten jammed up on it, and the timing is everything here. >> the language addressing violence is, in fact, worth everyone reading for themselves.

erin, i lost you but i got you back, which is critical because you were at that rally today. and i want to know as our eyes and ears on the ground as to what you saw in that room, what you saw on that stage we might have missed watching feedback here at home. >> no, i think it probably did come through on the stage. i literally just left that rally in atlanta where there might have been as many people trying to get people trying to get into that arena as there were outside trying to get in. and they have the stars in atlanta and i'mav talking polits and entertainment. you have people like stacie abrams, people like senators john ossoff and rafael war nocbringing back the nastalgia. you have megan thee stallen who really electrified that crowd

and cuevo introducing president harris. and the same energy i felt here in georgia in 2020 when democrats turned the state blue for the first time in a generation, elected those two democratic senators. i don't know if they can keep up the same energy that's 14 weeks, by the way. if they do, this feels like a winnable state for her and possibly a winnable race. >> roger, i have less than a minute left. my quick question to you, do you think projectdo 2025 recedes in the night? >> no. you know, the head of the heritage foundation, kevin roberts, again came out with a statement todaye saying, no, t work is not, done. it's going to keep going. i do want to impress upon people, though, the distinction between, you know, what this agenda is and who it is. andan i think what we're seeing play outright now is just about

who's goingt to be in charge o potentially staffing a second trumpy administration. i think the agenda as it was written, as you said trump has tied himself to all these things quite clearly. earlier he spoke at the heritage foundation and announced this forward going to be coming out about his next administration. so it's sort of like an inside baseball kind of thing. but that said a lot of the maga right is unhappy with this, the person who w forced the head of- the director of project 2025 out is a trop campaign staffer and seems an institutionalist, and he's not very well liked and trutsed on the true believer side. so we're seeing just that infighting playing outright now. >> the who as pornt as the what.

erin hanes, roger sullenberger, thank you for being with us. a chief justice john roberts after the court granted some items on donald trump's wish list. and donald trump trying to hang the fake title of border czar on his rival. we're going to get a check on that from senator chris murphy. that's next. n that from senator chris murphy that's next.

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thousands of venezuelans have taken to the streets to protest what they say is a blatant attempt by president nicolas maduro to retain power after a flawed election on sunday. nearly 8 million venezuelans have fled the country since maduro took power in 2013. as many as one-third of the country reportedly considering migrating if the current government remains in power, many of them to the u.s. this threatens to inject venezuela electoral crisis into our politics as donald trump tries to hang his fear mongering about the southern border around the neck of vice president harris. with multiple political ads released today falsely claiming harris was named border czar by president biden. joining me now senator chris murphy of connecticut. he's a member of the foreign relations committee. senator, always good to see you. thank you so much for being with us. let's start by talking about

venezuela. can you just connect the dots for our viewers between what we are watching unfold in venezuela and the immigration crisis, asylum crisis we so often talk about here at home. >> so over the past decade, nicolas maduro, the brutal dictator of venezuela has presided over a stunning collapse of the venezuelan economy that has caused nearly 8 million venezuelans to leave that country most of it destined for the united states, most of it we saw 10,000 people showing up at the border and the united states can't handle current resources because of the meltdown of the venezuelan economy. so it's no surprise that in the election that was held this week maduro clearly lost. the briefings i received today suggests maduro not only lost, he probably lost in a landslide and is attempting as we speak to steal the election. if he's successful not only will

venezuela continue to spiral in political and economic chaos, but you will see more people come to the southern border. and so that's why the biden administration engaged in some really creative diplomacy over the course of the last six months to unite the venezuelan opposition, to give them a real chance of beating maduro, which appears they have. maduro is now in a corner. we're working with our allies and our partners in the region to try to force him to accept the results of this election. hopefully we will be successful in that endeavor, but the reason we are here today with a chance to be able to transition away from power to the opposition, a united opposition is in part a story about effective biden/harris diplomacy. >> it's also important when you talk about migration to this country, you have to talk about push and pull factors. you have to understand why it is people flee their home country in order to seek safety and refuge in the united states, which is why i find it

particularly rich when you have donald trump running not one but two ads attacking vice president harris on immigration, falsely claiming she was named border czar by president biden. how do you see vice president harris' record on immigration? >> well, i think democrats should go on the offense when it comes to immigration and border policy. first, because kamala harris was not named border czar, but she was given a very important but discreet task. she was asked to try to work with our central american countries to reduce those reasons that you probably explained that people leave those countries because of violence or political disability or economic destination to come to the united states. she ordered 50 american companies to invest $5 billion in three central american countries. guess what happened during the biden administration, migration from those countries was cut to

50% to 60%. kamala harris should run on successfully reducing flows from those three countries. but she also should run on this. we constructed a bipartisan border security deal, and it would have passed if not for donald trump and j.d. vance. they killed the first meaningful bipartisan immigration and border security deal in a generation. kamala harris was for that agreement. she rearticulated that again today in atlanta, and she had the opportunity to not only run on her record of successfully reducing migration in the united states but on her clear preference for a bipartisan solution, a solution that donald trump did everything he could to scuttle so that the border would remain a mess, so that he could get political advantage in this election because that's all he cares about. all donald trump cares about is himself, political advantage. he doesn't actually want to solve problems like the problem of so many people showing up in an unplanned way to the southern border. >> to your point we did hear the

vice president make that exact argument on stage in atlanta. the campaign has an ad out. before you go, senator, i want to ask you about the situation in israel. they retaliated today with an air strike just outside beirut that it claims killed a hezbollah top commander. how concerned are you of this ongoing war between hamas and gaza? >> i'm concerned. there's no doubt israel has a right to defend itself. as you know thousand of families had to flee northern israel because of ongoing attacks from hezbollah into that part of israel since the october 7th attacks, but it's not in the interest of izal or the united states for there to be a second front opened up between hezbollah and israel. and so my hope, my belief is that cooler heads will prevail

here. the biden administration has been hard at work on keeping that conflict from erupting into a full-blown civil war, and there's frankly hope we can build upon some of the successes we had in allowing israel and lebanon to be in a more functional dim lumatic conversation. that is only happen if there's a cease-fire in gaza and can only happen as i said cooler heads prevail on the front. >> senator chris murphy taking us from latin america to the middle east tying it all up for us what we are seeing here at home. thank you so much for making the time. still to come tonight the atlantic's mckay coppens joins me to talk about trump's campaign rallies. plus chief justice john roberts once seen as a moderating voice on the supreme court. so what happened? more on that just ahead. so what happened more on that just ahead.

while it feels luke a lifetime ago given the current news cycle, it has not even been a month since the united states supreme court ruled donald trump is entitled to substantial immunity from prosecution on alleged crimes involving core official acts, effectively

placing him and other u.s. presidents above the law. now while we await the impact of that controversial ruling on several criminal cases pending against trump, we're getting new insight into how the conservative majority at the supreme court came to its 6-3 decision. cnn reporting today that chief justice john roberts who previously has been able to broker compromises, made no serious effort to entice the three liberal justices for even a modicum of the cross ideological agreement that distinguished such power cases in the past. people close to justices on the far right told cnn those justices were heartened by roberts after years of suspicions about his efforts at the center of the bench. according to cnn all told roberts appears to have reached a turning point. joining me now melissa murray, msnbc legal analyst and co-host of the podcast "strict scrutiny." my friend, are you at all surprised by the reporting i just shared? >> not at all surprised by the

reporting, alicia. but i was one of those people who noted for years despite being raised in the crucible of the conservative legal movement john roberts as chief justice had really proven to be an institutionalist. he cited with liberals, he was the lone conservative who refused to rule in roe v. wade in dobbs. but that seems to be the limit in institutionallism. this immunity case took a long time. that seemed to have been by design. the court waited until april 25th and waited until the very last day of the term to announce the decision, which according to joan biskupic who reported this and that concern seems meaningful because it's clear chief justice roberts was not interested in negotiating. he was interested in granting a sweeping grant of immunity and wasn't concerned with any compromise. that to me was a surprise.

i thought the amount of time they were taking to decide this case is because the chief justice was trying to get everyone onboard for some kind of unanimous decision, and that would require some time to work out. chief justice roberts wanted an imperial presidency, and it seems like he got himself one. >> i want you to understand, melissa, this reporting and the context of the speech. yesterday you had president biden laying out proposals for supreme court reforms, mandatory ethics rules, term limits, a constitutional amendment that would overturn the court's ruling on presidential immunity. given the insights we're getting into this court i wonder how we should be thinking about those reforms. >> well, they're obviously urgent and necessary. this is a court with a 6-3 conservative super majority, and it will be for some time, which means that they have broad, broad power to do what they like. and they have been doing what they like. they've had the 6-3 conservative

super majority for about three years, and in each of those three years this court has overruled a major precedent. dobbs in 2022, the affirmative action case in 2023, and this year they overruled chevron. i would argue with the immunity decision overruled precedents limiting presidential immunity in concern contexts. this is a court sort of bent on doing what it wants. to be clear i'm not clear that the president's proposal for supreme court reform is going to get a lot of traction in this election year, but i think what it does signal is that the democrats are no longer putting this on the back burner. they are running on the court. thaf recognize that this court is an impediment to any kind of progress that elected officials can make in their domestic agendas going forward. if they pass something in congress, this is a court that will unravel it in the courts. so they need to address this court, the imbalance of the court and do it sooner rather than later.

>> just to articulate that point this week you had iowa becoming the latest state to ban abortion after six weeks and joined 21 other states that either ban or severely restrict the procedure. iowa ban has exceptions like many other states, those exceptions are purposely vague and designed to have chilling effects. are their legal remedies for this, or are the solutions largely political? >> going forward it seems this will be a political fight. it will not necessarily be a legal fight. i will note the iowa supreme court that upheld this ban did so on a 4-3 basis. so it's a very narrow law. i think iowans can vote to change their state constitution to provide more robust protections for freedoms. in states where you have the

ballot initiatives or voter referenda you can use democracy to achieve some of these things. this is going to largely move from the legal realm to the political realm. here's where iowans do have advantage. this question of reproductive freedom enjoys support in iowa. the reason it can't get through the legislature is because the legislature is so gerrymandered such that iowa legislators don't have be responsible to their constituents. if you can address the gerrymandering and distortion then people can have their preferences reflected. until then you're going to see a lot of machinations. >> melissa murray as always, thank you so much for being with us tonight. coming up atlanta's mckay coppens on the often overlooked prayers before trump takes the stage at his rallies and what they tell us about the high stakes of the 2024 race. that is next. stakes of the 2024 race. that is next

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intervene. >> believe it or not, those -- what you just heard there, those were prayers. if you have never had the pleasure of sitting through the entirety of a trump rally you would not know that many of them start with prayer. the whole trump rally often framed as a quasi-religious event. the way the pastors kick off these rallies preach it isn't just dark, it is evolving. mckay coppens a staff writer at the atlantic analyzed more than a year's worth of these trump rally prayers to try to understand how the religious right views trump and thou they're framing the upcoming election. joining us now mckay coppens, staff writer at the atlantic. mckay, thank you for being with us. you listened to more than a years worth of these prerally prayers. what did you learn? >> there were a couple of different themes that stood out to me in reviewing all 58 of these prayers. one of them is that the way that the prayers describe the state of america is kind of almost borderline apocalyptic. you heard a couple clips in the

intro there, but people describe america as being on the precipice of catastrophe, as wallowing in addiction and sin and death. and the root of this is a theological belief that america much like ancient israel in the old testament has broken its covenant with god and is being punished for its simpleness. implicit or explicit in that idea is to renew its standing with god america needs to re-elect donald trump who is righteous god. another theme to note not all the players but a lot of them frame the election as part of a spiritual battle. in fact, there was one pastor in south carolina who straight up said we are battling demonic forces led by joe biden and kamala harris. and, you know, you could chalk this up to kind of cringy

provocative rhetoric, but the truth is if you believe that this election is a front in a spiritual war and you've pitted super natural angels against demons, it changes the way you think about winning or losing. the stakes are much higher for people who internalized these ideas. >> i wawant to say on that exact point. we have more video of an evangalist with that exact spirit. >> let us pray because we're fighting a demonic force and fighting one of the enemies at the gates of hell led by joe biden and kamala harris. >> it sounds different, mckay, coming from you than it does the tell televangalists. if this is the frame part of a

religious battle, what happens if they do lose in november? how then do they process the losing? >> well, that was the question i kind of had. it was rattling around in the back of mind the whole time i was reading these prayers and watching these videos because it seems to me that if you have internalized the idea that you have a divine mandate to win this election, that god is on your side, that god has announced donald trump at his chosen leader and that is supposed to leave the country, if he loses, you kind of had two choices. you can accept defeat and accept that your entire theological framework, your faith was misplaced. and that's going to be difficult. you know, it's going to take some really hard work. or you can believe something was amiss, that the election was stolen, that satan has his hand in this outcome, and you can fight it. and my fear obviously is we'll see something like a replay of

january 6th and 2020 but maybe even on a larger scale. i'll tell you i've covered more than a hundred of these trump rallies, and these prayers have evolved over time. there were prayers in 2016, and i'm sure there were some more kind of extreme prayers like these ones, but the theological underpinnings of the prayers have shifted, and the way they're framing this election as something that has eternal consequences is new from my perspective. >> mckay coppens with an incredible new piece in the atlantic, mckay, thank you so much for making the time. coming up identity groups they're rallying behind kamala harris' historic white house run. the organizer and a member of the newest group, white dudes for harris, joins me next. stay with us. for harris, joins . stay with us

. it started with a relatively small group of black women who four years ago began gathering on a weekly virtual call in support of vice president kamala harris. then kamala harris entered the presidential race. that sunday night 44,000 black women joined the call and raised $1.5 million for harris' white house bid. that fund-raiser by the #winwith blackwomen network has reinvigorated democrats and fueling a fund-raising boom among other identity groups. in the last week alone 53,000 black men backing harris raised $1.3 million in just four hours. more than 164,000 white women raised more than $8 million, crashing zoom multiple times in the process. and last night the new group, white dudes for harris, attracted more than 180,000 participants, raised more than $4 million in a star-studded zoom call of its own. joining me now the organizer of white dudes for harris and rory

o'mally, tony nominated actor of hamilton and the book of mormon who was also on the call. thank you so much for being with us tonight. all right, ross, tell me why white dudes? >> for too long we've been ceding white men to maga republicans. something the call showed us there's a hunger of white men who are nonmaga republicans. i think of those folks as the silent majority of white men, who don't support donald trump, who don't support his antics, and i think last night really showed how powerful that can be. we had 200,000 people get on the zoom, and just today we had another 100,000 people watch the zoom or watch the feed after the fact. we raise over$4 million, we had over 60,000 donations made

during the zoom call. there's just a ton of energy out there for it, and we were able to capture some of it last night. >> i want you to know that ross who's a once in a generation organizer when i asked him about it he said the thing you need to know while rory is an incredible actor and performer he's in his heart and in this soul an organizer. so i want to ask you as you were recruiting other folks to this call, what did you find to be most resinate? >> is it about kamala harris or something bigger? >> this is like 2008. i remember kamala saying we are the ones we've been waiting for. i remember how that changed my life, a call to wake up and take action. and you can't fake this kind of enthusiasm or energy around vice president harris. this is real. and so it was very easy to get

people to sign onto join this call. we had the dude, we had luke skywalker, sam weisz gamji, also known as rudy if you're like me from the midwest. we even had olaf. doesn't get whiter than that, and i'm so proud white men are rising to occasion for harris. she's a woman, more specifically a black woman, and black women have been showing up to elect progressive white dudes for generations. it's time we show up for them. >> right. it has been described that some of these calls have also been groups sort of dragging themselves for the first 20 or 30 minutes before moving onto the other parts of the program. and there is for some folks some discomfort because often when you talk about race and ethnicity in america we talk as though it is only all of the groups that have traditionally been disenfranchised, the

emerging majority. what do you say to those folks who hear white dudes for anyone and feel the slightest bit of discomfort? >> yeah, i was one of them. i was like i don't know, this feels so strange joining a call that just has white dudes. but i'll tell you what, because these women started this movement and have been the forefront of the progressive movement for so long, it is vital that we as white men show our faces standing shoulder to shoulder with them over the next 98 days, showing them that we are ready for kamala. because the only reason they think we aren't or that this country isn't is because of white dudes. and that just breaks my heart. so over the next 98 days it's incredibly important that we phone in, that we knock on doors, that we stand next to these leaders, these black women and women who have been the

forefront of the progressive movement for so long, to show them that we have their back and we are not going back. >> ross, i've got less than a minute left. what doia do next? >> organize. we're still trying to raise money for vice president harris. we raised $4 million as i said earlier. we're trying to sign up folks to volunteer. folks can go to whitedudesforharris.com and do both of those things. this is not the last you're going to see of this group. we're excited to be out here to fight with her. and we're not going to cede white men to the republicans anymore. thank you both for joining us tonight. and that is our show for the evening. "way too early" with jonathan lemire starts next. i will proudly put my record against his any day of the