follow somebody they trust. >> reporter: she will vote harris in november. the vp's visit here leaving a lasting impact. >> she came down in the middle of the city to talk to the people at the community college for me was the most positive thing. >> reporter: this reading restaurant owner recalls harris' trip but hasn't been swayed yet. >> everybody is waiting for the next debate. >> reporter: with less than 100 days to the election, reading's residents are paying attention and feel the weight of the decision ahead. >> think about what you want for your country, what you want for the kids. >> i want them to be able to say, wow, things are different now than they were for mom and dad. and i'm so happy that we're in this country. >> and thank you to george solis for that report. that does it for me, everybody. thank you for watching. i'm yasmin vossoughian in for katy tur. "deadline: white house" starts right now.

hi there, everyone. 4:00 in new york. epic meltdown from the ex-president this afternoon, speaking with three journalists at the national association of black journalists conference in chicago. a conversation that imploded right before our very eyes on live tv. essentially right out of the gates. trump immediately breaking into a tirade against the first moderator, rachel scott, of abc news, who asked him about his past comments on race. and then trump questioned vice president kamala harris' racial identity. take a listen. >> some of your own supporters including republicans on capitol hill have labeled vice president kamala harris who is the first black and asian american woman to serve as vice president to be on a major party ticket as a dei hire. is that acceptable language to you? and will you tell those

republicans and those supporters to stop it? >> how do you define dei? go ahead. how do you define it? >> diversity, equity, inclusion. >> yeah, is that your definition? would you give me your definition? give me a definition. >> sir, i'm asking you a question. >> define it for me, if you would. >> i just defined it sir. do you believe vice president kamala harris is only on the ticket because she's a black woman. >> i can say, now i think it is maybe a little bit different. so, i've known her a long time indirectly, not directly, very much. and she was always of indian heritage and she was only promoting indian heritage. i didn't know she was black. until a number of years ago when she happened to turn black and now she wants to be known as black. so i don't know, is she indian or is she black? >> she has always identified as a black -- she went to a historically black college. >> i respect either one. she obviously doesn't. she was indian all the way and she made a turn and she went --

she became a black person. >> just to be clear, sir, do you believe she's -- >> i think somebody should look into that too when you ask to continue in a very hostile and nasty tone. >> do you believe vice president kamala harris is a dei hire? >> i don't know. could be. >> it is amazing he's gotten away with that for as long as he has. it appears to be over. the 35 minute conversation was like that basically throughout, it remained contentious. trump even defended his black jobs comment in a room full of black journalists. >> i will tell you that coming -- coming from the border are millions and millions of people that happen to be taking black jobs. you had the best -- >> what exactly is a black job, sir? >> a black job is anybody that has a job. that's what it is. anybody that has a job. >> all right. >> vice president kamala harris' response to all of this,

absolute disaster for donald trump. this is who he is. a source close to vice president harris tells nbc news in response to trump's claim that she, quote, became black, quote, it is simply a lie and easily disproved. she went to howard for christ's sake, she's an aka, referring to sorority alpha kappa alpha. karine jean-pierre first laughed and then said this. >> as a black woman in this position standing before you at this podium behind this lectern, what he just said what you just read out to me is repulsive, it is insulting, and, you know, no one has any right to tell someone who they are, how they identify, that is no one's right. it is someone's own decision, it

is -- i'll add this, only she can speak to her experience. only she can speak to what it is like. she's the only person that can do that. and i think it is insulting for anybody, doesn't matter if it is a former leader, a former president, it is insulting. and we have to put -- she is the vice president of the united states. kamala harris. we have to put some respect on her name. >> some of our favorite experts and friends, reverend al sharpton joins us, host of "politics nation," president of the national action network. with me at the table, co-host of msnbc's podcast, our friend claire mccaskill is here. joining us, nbc news correspondent yamiche alcindor at the convention in chicago watching trump's appearance as it took place.

she is also our correspondent on the harris campaign. yamiche, i'll start with you. just go through -- i don't know how you rank the offenses, not just to the people in the room, but to everybody. but take a stab at it for us. >> well, i think that's what's really a remarkable moment in what has been a remarkable campaign season. to see former president trump in front of a group of black journalists who invited him to answer questions about policy, about his views on the campaign trail, about his views about america and his vision for the future, and to have him go after vice president harris in this way that is really, really questioning her identity, questioning her authenticity, was really, really something to behold. and i think it is someone who is covering the harris campaign and covered the vice president, but when she was a senator way back more than a decade now, i've been following her work and

interviewing her, it is very clear that she has been very, very, very, very pointed and also very, very articulate when it comes to talking about her background, talking about what she got from her mother, and her father, her father being a black man who was of jamaican descent, her mother being someone who was indian, she talks about how that -- that background and her parents meeting at civil rights activist, taking her to protests in a stroller, that he had her identity really, really very clearly understood, understood her identity as from what she was a little girl. so to hear him say she had been claiming to only be indian and only now is talking -- only now is talking about being african american is just frankly not true, nicolle. she went to a historically black college, she pledged and joined a historically black sorority, the first historically african american sorority founded in

this country, and she's time and time again throughout her career talked about the importance of racial justice and tieing it back to her own identity, so this really is something that i think is -- it is really hard to fathom that former president trump thought that this insult, this attack was going to land. it doesn't make sense to even say this. and in talking to people you read some of the reporting i got, i was sitting in the room and people were stunned. to take you behind the scenes, people were stunned, people were gasping, some people who were shouting back at him, saying that's a lie. so the room, the atmosphere i think was already sort of tense because this is the president that has attacked a member of national association of black journalists. a lot of questions of whether or not he should be invited. everyone had different opinions. when he started talking about her race, it really just i think really made the room feel very much like this is -- this is a palpable anger from some people, and, again, journalists, we're

covering him objectively, covering him fairly, but you start to say things simply not true and going after someone's blackness it really hurts. i want to read some of the things i got. completely unhinged. this is trump, he cannot help himself. someone else said, completely insulting and repulsive, exactly what karine jean-pierre said from the podium. somebody said it is a lie, easily disproven, she went to howard for christ's sake. another person said this is painful. that is something that reverend sharpton can talk about, there is a whole history of black people having to deal with discrimination and dealing with people taking their lives for their race. and who they are. and vice president harris has really found herself in the lineage of that. in selma, alabama, at the bridge talking about racial justice and to have this sort of -- there can be policy differences, right? you can have different visions of the world. this attack was something that

was, i think, under -- that was really, really a low bar even for former president trump, who has gone very, very much a low bar, gone very much underground in some of the comments he made about different people. >> rev, let's not do what happens sometimes when trump is disgusting and racist in his attacks against fani willis, or tisch james or tanya chutkan, we say, well, he hates all women, but he especially hates a black woman who is trying to hold him accountable. that feels like letting him get away with something that is for him a trigger. let's put all of that aside and let's not do that. let's also put this in the frame of what he sought to do, to president barack obama, with birtherism. this is more than insulting a woman who threatens what he thought would be a landslide, what his campaign managers told tim alberta three weeks ago. this is someone that threatens his grand plan to return to the

white house after being humiliated by president joe biden, defeating him roundly and soundly. this is probably a warmup and i just want to make sure we put it in the right context. this was offensive. this was ignorant. this was graceless. he was a guest there. he was invited by journalists to answer questions and all he did was malign and smear the vice president of the united states, a woman who was a very, very, very capable opponent against him in this general election. >> i think we must be clear that everything that you said and karine jean-pierre said at the white house and yamiche said is exactly what he intended to do. donald trump accepted this invitation to use that platform to play to his mega -- his maga crowd. and those bigots that will say

tonight, he went in there and stood up to the black journalists, stood up and called the vice president someone that is not proud of who she is, played to the few black men that he's trying to get off that he can start this and i would have stood up to them and told them, he did what he intended to do. you're right, nicolle. we know he has a serious problem with blacks, period, particularly black women and don't, god forbid if you're a black woman stand up to him. what you have to ask yourself after seeing this performance for almost a half hour is what did he do it for? he came to do what he did. he came to use them as a backboard to score with the maga crowd, to say i'm one of y'all, i will go to their own conference and do everything but call them the n word and i will try and act like their candidate, their hero, this

strong black woman they're rallying around, she didn't even say she was black until a little while ago. when do we not know she was black when she was elected the first black district attorney of san francisco or maybe when she was elected the first black attorney general of the state of california or maybe we missed it when we said she was only black woman in the u.s. senate or the only black woman to run for vice president. why play into this illusionary picture when we can deal with who the painter of the picture is. donald trump saw the nabj as a useful platform for him to show he would stand up to blacks and call us whatever he wants to call us and attack our people in their face and they ain't going to do anything about it. that's what he went to do and that's what he did. >> claire? >> yeah, i don't disagree with rev, although he's trying to get votes. and what i'm trying to figure

out is what votes did he think he was going to get, add to his maga base by doing what he did today? i can't imagine that he is so dumb that he thought he would add any black votes by talking about black jobs and saying what he said about the vice president. and maybe he is just trying to show the maga base that he would do this, but they know that already. they know he's one of many of them, agree with him about his less than view of people that don't look like them. so, then the question is he trying to get us to talk about it? is he so freaked out that he has not been dominating the airwaves for the last week that he was wanting to be so outrageous that we would sit here and talk about him today. so either he's really dumb,

because what he did today i don't think gets him any more maga vote. he's got those votes. certainly doesn't get him any of the votes he doesn't have. certainly doesn't get him any black votes. or he is just that sick? you know, is he just that sick? and so -- >> i mean, yeah, let's -- yamiche, i wrote down a lot of what you said, you said we're covering him objectively. objectively speaking this was a very unsteady performance. if the republican party was functioning and functional, you might imagine that functioning party would wonder if the person at the top of the ticket should be at the top of the ticket. if this was a person displaying adequate fitness. as someone who covered him, and then saw this, how do you sort of just grade it performatively, even against a trump curve? >> i'll say this i don't know that as a reporter i can grade former president trump. i think republicans graded him

when they nominated him again for -- to be their nominee and to run for president and there was a primary, they saw him, they knew what he said, they knew what his past was and they saw him and said he was going to be the face of the party. we watched over the years as the republican party had been made into the party of trump. i think they're going to decide whether or not this was something that was acceptable. there is some reporting that his team agreed to an hour and after 34 minutes they said this needed to end. there was a point he said we were starting $30 minute late and nabj wasn't starting on time so maybe that factored into the decision. but it tells me that possibly they thought this wasn't going well, so they pulled him off the stage. i also want to read to you a statement he just got from the harris campaign, if you would allow me to, i think it underscores how they're seeing this moment. would that be okay? >> of course, of course. >> they write, the hostility, this is michael tyler, communications director for the harris campaign, the hostility donald trump showed on stage today is the same hostility he

has shown throughout his life, throughout his term in office and throughout his campaign for president and he seeks to regain power and inflict his harmful project 2025 agenda on the american people. trump lobbed personal attacks at black journalists the same way he did during his presidency. donald trump has already proven he cannot unite america, so he attempts to divide us. the statement goes on to say, today's tirade is simply a taste of the chaos and division that has been a hallmark of trump's maga rallies in this entire campaign, it is also what the american people will see from across the debate stage as vice president harris offers a vision of opportunity and freedom for all americans, all donald trump needs to do is stop playing games and actually show up to the debate on september 10th. that tells you where the harris campaign is, they're calling him out, saying this is insulting, and saying, and this goes back to what vice president harris said yesterday when she had a campaign rally in atlanta, with

some 10,000 people there, she said if you have something to say, say it to my face. this is the campaign following up on that, saying if you want to say something about my race or my policies or how i dealt with the border say it to my face and show up on september 10th and debate me. >> rev, let me ask you to follow up. say it to my face is where we were going to leave until this rolling train wreck captured everyone's attention. i'm sensitive as a person who sits in this chair to the decisions we make and i think claire is on to something that trump's insatiable desire for attention has been satisfied by the fact that we're talking about him. i do want to -- we're at the data point in the cycle, right, in terms of adding voters, he did come out today as antiwoman, antiblack woman especially, antipress, the statements included antilaw enforcement tirades, anti, you know, any family that doesn't look like jd vance's basically which would, i

guess, speaking about the data, also include his. i want to play you, rev, some of what he said about january 6th. >> my question is on -- >> what is going to happen to people that tried to -- what is going to happen -- absolutely i would -- >> you would pardon those -- >> if they're innocent, i would pardon them. >> they have been convicted. >> the supreme court just under -- well, they were convicted by a very tough system. they were -- >> so we're talking about people that were seen beating officers with flagpoles, dragging them down the stairs, have you seen that video, sir? >> really, well they shot -- >> you would pardon those rioters. >> they shot a young lady in the face who was protesting. they shot her -- you know nobody died that day. >> vladimir putin, i think, had the exact same sentence structure, you know, in an interview with nbc's keir

simmons when he describes january 6th, possibly a coincidence, maybe not. your thoughts on yamiche's reporting and your exchange. >> i think we must remember when you hear donald trump, his political experience was that he rose to national political capital and became the nominee on birtherism. denying that barack obama was an american. and in fact saying he was born in kenya and that he would produce a birth certificate. that's how he started his political career. so, for us to think that he does not think he can use a similar thing to kamala harris, we're acting like there is a guy that was in the senate 15 years. he doesn't play by the same political kind of knowledge and strategy that one would play for votes. it worked for him with birtherism. he feels it worked with him in terms of trying to make kamala

harris appear to be less than what she says she is. secondly, i think we must remember he's a guy that he has no idea what policy is. when you bring up dei, he didn't ask the interviewer how do you define dei because he wanted her to define it. he does not know how to define dei. so, he had to turn it back on her and kind of duck having to answer diversity, equity and inclusion. because he's against dei because it plays to his crowd. if you ask him what dei was, if you ask him what his immigration policy is, he doesn't know, it is all performance and that's why i say he went there today to perform. he did not go there as any former president or potential president calculating how i get votes. he didn't calculate how birtherism would work. it worked for him. and he's trying to find his

birtherism rhythm this time and he's experimented, like an artist going on stage looking for the right song, he was experimenting, maybe this is how you go after kamala. i love what claire is saying, i love claire, but if you're looking for a logical political strategy, donald trump and political strategy don't go in the same room. >> claire, the last word. >> he's also right about policy and when it was really exposed is on the immunity question. when they asked about his declaration that he wanted to give immunity to police officers. he doesn't even understand what that is. because when he's confronted with a factual situation, where a police officer has been charged with murder for killing a woman in cold blood for no good reason, he said, well, i saw that, i didn't really like that, and then she pressed him and said, well how would your immunity policy work. well, he has no clue. he doesn't understand what it

means. so, i agree that this is not your normal guy who thinks he has to know anything. he is just a huckster looking for a narrative and a brand that will sell to people who don't know any better this time around. >> well, and i think it is all the same wall, the last 48 hours, with the vice president's response quote, say it to my face. yamiche, thank you for covering this for us and joining us to talk about it. reverend claire, stick around. up next, with 97 days to go, more on vice president kamala harris' say it to my face strategy. and all of her throwing it right back at the bully who sits atop the republican ticket, a lot more to talk about there, plus pete buttigieg is here for the latest comments coming from trump today and his closest friends at fox news. sexist doesn't begin to describe it or capture it accurately. we'll play it for you and ask

pete buttigieg why men are voting for kamala harris in november. and another big endorsement for the vice president, the head of the autoworkers union shawn fain joins us for his first interview since throwing support behind vice president kamala harris today. fred trump will be here, also endorsed vice president kamala harris, he has a brand-new book out, that pulls the curtain back on uncle donald, explains why he should never get near the white house again, including racist comments he overheard as a young child. all those guests and more when "deadline: white house" continues after a quick break. don't go anywhere. ouse" continues after a quick break. don't go anywhere. that goes places a regular mop just can't. ♪♪ mop smarter with the swiffer powermop. ♪ (woman) c'mon c'mon mop smarter ♪ (man) yes! ♪ (vo) you've got your sunday obsession

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so, last week you may have seen, he pulled out of the debate in september. he had previously agreed to. well, donald, i do hope you'll reconsider to meet me on the debate stage. because as the saying goes, if you got something to say, say it to my face! >> say it to my face. it is a campaign with a whole lot of mantras. that's one of them. one of the best ways to deal with a bully is to dish it right back. it is just what the vice

president did to donald trump last night at her raucous rally in atlanta. it is her second official campaign rally, the excitement and the energy were palpable to everyone in attendance. harris last night returned to a state key to her and president joe biden's 2020 -- 2020 win, that state rewarded her with her biggest crowd to date, the harris campaign said that 10,000 people were in attendance, the race for the presidency has completely transformed since harris announced her candidacy. she has raised records of dollars in donations, has been all over social media, and has cultivated a renewed sense of hope and momentum among the democratic party and the broader pro democracy coalition. she will announce her running mate by next tuesday and the two will hold their first rally in philadelphia, kicking off a four-day barnstorm of battleground states. harris is on the offense on the ground and on tv.

a new campaign ad takings on trump's baseless attacks against her over the subject of immigration. >> on the border, the choice is simple. kamala harris supports increasing the number of border patrol agents. donald trump blocked a bill to increase the number of border patrol agents. kamala harris supports investing in new technology to block fentanyl from entering the country. donald trump blocked funding for technology to block fentanyl from entering the country. kamala harris supports spending more money to stop human traffickers. donald trump blocked money to stop human traffickers. kamala harris prosecuted transnational gang members and got them sentenced to prison. trump is trying to avoid being sentenced to prison. there is two choices in this election, the one who will fix our broken immigration system and the one who is trying to stop her. >> that contrast of the choice in november, the prosecutor

versus the felon wasn't lost on the crowd last night. >> as a prosecutor, i specialized in child sexual abuse cases and sexual abuse cases. well, trump was found liable for committing sexual abuse. and as an attorney general, i held the big wall street banks accountable for fraud. donald trump was just found guilty of fraud. 34 counts. so in this campaign -- so in this campaign, i will proudly put my record against his any day of the week.

>> one of the most important things she's done in a so far flawless candidacy is to start to put this central fact out on immigration. it is so beyond debate that trump is the reason republican and democratic, bipartisan immigration reform wasn't passed. trump bragged about it. that's how true it is. trump said, yeah, i killed it. and in the state of the union address, one of the highlights was the republican senator who worked with the white house mouthing it's true. this is senator from oklahoma. what's his name? >> jim lankford. >> yeah, lankford. so, just weigh in on that piece and we'll get to the energy. >> as you well know, nicolle, having been in a few campaigns yourself, you do not win a campaign on defense. you win a campaign on offense.

and the prosecutor is the person in the courtroom that is responsible for the offense. they have to produce the evidence. she is comfortable in this role. she is, in fact, prosecuting the case against donald trump. the case why she would be better in terms of immigration than he would. we know that he talked a big talk the first time he ran, he's going to build a wall, mexico was going to pay for it, he had complete control of government for two years and didn't get squat done. didn't try to present a bill that would have done the things that the bill that trump blocked would have done. >> right. >> and so the fact that she's going on offense on this really important. and, frankly, maybe the most important thing she's doing right now, that and channeling the energy that organically is coming from the ground right now that you saw in that rally. >> you know, rev, the energy

is -- you can see it on tv and reporters who are there, you know, unbelievable firsthand accounts of the energy. it goes along with messaging that is just an ex-campaign hack that i am is flawless. the ads on tv from the super pac are about building up the middle class. the first ads from the campaign on what she would do on immigration as long as trump doesn't block her and stop her. your thoughts? >> i think she has so far run a flawless campaign. i think that is absolutely the reason she is getting the energy and i think she can sustain that energy if she continues to go the way she's going. i also think that she has, in many ways, totally thrown trump off his game because she has shown she's not intimidated. this whole thing of say it to my face, one can't help but think when he was walking around the

debate stage stalking hillary clinton and the contrast now of a woman saying, say it to my face, daring him to come into the debate and she's ready for him to say it to her face because she's got some way to answer and deal with him, he's not used to that. and he trained for this fight. if i can use a boxing analogy again, nicolle, he trained for this fight to be fighting an ol could make look old and ineffective and now he gets this young, strong woman who is daring him to go on, throw a punch, come on. and he's not ready for this, he's not trained for this. he doesn't know how to handle this. which is why he is now so far way off his game and he's been reduced to just name calling and just going absolutely out of control because he is now in a fight he didn't train for.

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now, i don't see why any man would vote democrat. it is not the party of virtue, security, not the party of strength. definitely not the party of family. and -- >> what? >> to be a man and then vote for a woman, just because she's a woman, is either childish, that person has mommy issues, or they're just trying to be accepted by other women. and i heard the scientists say the other day that when a man votes for a woman, he actually transitions into a woman. >> no scientist said that, ever. but there you have it, guys. sometimes they let, you know, that little private part show. that's their pitch, that's all they got at this point, to guys, that argument. the argument that i don't see why any man would vote for a democrat unless they have mommy issues. that's their plan to appeal to voter group that is must win for

donald trump. this is lights out. joining us now one of the white guys who is currently supporting kamala harris for president, pete buttigieg. we should note he's here in a personal capacity, which is why we're not calling him by his official title. not a sign of disrespect or familiarity. it is weird to call you pete, but we'll go with it. let's -- i feel like the guys over at fox and trump benefit from the volume business of offenses. and let's just stop right there. i don't see why any man would vote for a democrat. i can think of lots of reasons, lots of them have daughters, lots of them care about the climate, care about peace, care about the economy, care about -- why would -- why do you think any man would vote for a democrat? >> yeah, i mean, you know, it is kind of classic projection, right? the very things he's talking about, virtue, strength, security, family, those are all

things that trump's republican party has completely abandoned, making any claim to. virtue, really? in a party led by donald trump with the affairs and the porn stars and everything else that is associated with that guy. security? when we're talking about a party led by somebody who has been rolled repeatedly by figures like putin and xi jinping. and family? my goodness. this is what i think it really comes down to. a lot of people at home are thinking about their families. i'm thinking about our family and how our family, my husband and the son and daughter that we're raising, are going to be so much better off if kamala harris gets elected, if democrats win. why? because those policies are going to support our family. look, they long ago sacrificed their claim to be the party of family. not just in terms of the, you know, disturbing opposite of family values that leaders like

donald trump showed, but also as they emerged being against ivf, against the affordable care act that means so much to so many families, talking about abolishing the department of education, they long ago walked away from any serious claim on being the party of family. and what we're seeing in those kinds of just fox news freakouts i think is an inability to talk about this election in terms of what it is going to mean for our lives, which is why, just like trump himself, they just try to outdo one another in outrageous and insulting statements. >> it is interesting that you sort of put it that way. because if you say to them, well, you know, character matters, but it doesn't stop them from making hypocritical arguments. the question i have on that is when you are on fox news, sort of the bs ends and i saw you try

to inject some reality-based information and data into a conversation about crime. what do you hear when you do that? does that breakthrough to anyone that only gets their news from fox news? >> i think it is important to keep bringing those messages to fox news. if that's your main source of information, you might not hear about certain facts otherwise. i think many fox viewers through no fault of their own other than that's where they're getting their information and so you can't be surprised if they don't know otherwise, but many fox viewers may have never heard that crime went up under trump and down under biden/harris. it is clearly a fact. but they literally might not know that. same thing in terms of energy policy. if you polled viewers of those more conservative news outlets, they wouldn't know that american energy production is at an all time high and that american

energy independence is greater under joe biden and kamala harris than it was under trump and pence. these are matters of fact. people at home can go look them up. i hope when i say that on fox, if a viewer who never heard that before, says how is that possible, they go ahead and look that up and see we're right and it gives them one more reason to listen to what we have to say the next time. >> one of the areas where their disinformation has done the most damage is in installing election deniers in local election governance capacity. and i wonder if you've been tracking the reporting about some of the threats to certification in 2024 and what, you know, as someone who has a toe on the other side of the information ecosystem, where you think there is still an opportunity to inject facts and reality. >> yeah, it is a definite concern. i think the good news is americans really don't stand for that. not just democrats, but independents, voters as a whole. that was one of the big lessons

of 2022. anybody on the ballot, even people who were much hyped republican candidates, before 2022, any one of them who was an election denier lost their race, during those midterms and i think that shows that the american people don't have an appetite for that. of course, what we have to watch out for is when they do things that distorts the democratic process, or undermine elections and perversely try to do so while claiming that this is about election integrity, but this is one of many areas where the fact that the national trump gop is so out of line with realities on the ground really matters, because people often know their election administrators, the volunteers from their community who staff those county-led processes, where people do their level best to make sure that there is a flawless free and fair election. and i think that's part of how we cut through that misinformation is remind people of the nonpartisan basis on which elections are run in this

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we're back with pete buttigieg. pete, nbc news has confirmed that you have been asked to and have complied with the request to submit vetting materials. your policy acumen and ability to govern as the transportation secretary are clear to anyone watchingwillingness to go on fox puts you in a special category and you have one of best spouses in all politics. what that we don't all see are you hoping they'll consider when kamala harris makes this choice? >> well, first of all, i agree obviously, i'm very biased, but i agree with what you had to say about chasten and, look, i'm just excited to do whatever i can for this ticket. she will make a decision that makes sense for her and the party and the campaign and the country. that's an important thing to mention. i'm getting caught up, i'm coming from a couple other work events, i'm getting caught up on

this latest appearance by donald trump, but one thing i saw was he was asked about jd vance and if i understand right, his answer was basically to say, well, it doesn't matter that much to the outcome of the campaign who you pick for vp. which means it did not occur to him to even pretend to be interested in the impact of the vice presidential choice on the country. it is one of the most serious, in fact the most serious choice that a candidate makes as a candidate because it is the one thing that goes into effect for the entire country automatically if that candidate gets elected. and yet as somebody who is just incapable of thinking or caring about the rest of the country and about how elections affect our lives, i think it is very telling when he got a question about the embarrassments that have been caused by his own choice for running mate and vp in jd chance, he didn't even try to defend what kind of vice president he would be for the country or whether he would be

ready on day one. instead, talked about it completely in terms of politics. the politics of this aren't that great for him either. >> well, i say this with deep humility, having born witness to the palin candidacy. do you think they meant to pick jd vance, and by that i mean do you think they knew he's the human embodiment of the 900 pages of project 2025? >> it is a great point. project 2025 is wildly unpopular. so much so that i'm pretty sure it is the first time in modern history that a presidential candidate has had to disavow his own policy framework. and let's be clear, that's what this is. right? just because they disassociate with a guy who wrote it up and tried to get a different brand name doesn't change the fact that before it occurred to anybody to write it down and call it project 2025, this was already their governing agenda, because it is part of the playbook they followed when they

were in charge. and therefore it will unquestionably be their governing agenda again, should he get re-elected. the problem isn't this document called project 2025, though, you know, it has embarrassed them and it is that much more so because jd vance literally wrote the forward to the book edition of it, so they can't disavow it convincingly. but the problem isn't this thing called project 2025. the problem is the governing agenda itself. project 2025 is just the footnotes. on what they're planning to do, which is wildly unpopular with the american people because it is full of crazy ideas that don't make any sense. >> when you look at the state of the race today, and it is not just the massive crowd sizes, and it is not just, you know, i have a 12 -- your kids aren't old enough yet to tell you who is winning the internet, but when they are, it is kamala harris, when you look at the state of the race, what do you think trump's going to do next because he's -- when he's

desperate and make the mistake, this, for him, candidacy is about staying out of jail. he's as desperate to win the presidency as putin is to have him there. for him it is about ukraine. what would you sort of warn your party and the pro democracy coalition to be prepared for from trump? >> well, i think precisely because it is going so well for kamala harris out of the gate, i expect that trump and his republican party will get crazier. look, the energy is incredible, not just on the internet, and not just on tv, but on the ground. while we were home over the weekend, chasten and i went down to the field office in traverse city, michigan. there was an energy i haven't seen there in a long time. and the more she pulls ahead, the more you're going to see i think trump revert to the only thing he knows how to do when he's trying to get attention, which is to get more and more outrageous.

for that brief period when it looks like maybe he might have been winning earlier this year, he began to show some glimmers of something that might be described as discipline. that collapsed the moment that kamala harris became the presumptive nominee and now we're seeing that. we're seeing it when he has an even mildly skeptical or challenging interview which as we can tell from today's event, he was not able to handle, being more insulting and strange than usual. but even in a friendly interview, i mean, you know, i think it was laura ingraham on fox gave him a chance to clear up that comment vote for me, yo never have to vote again. and, you know, still didn't tak people if anything the subtext of what he was saying, you know, could be charitably interpreted as him saying that when he said you won't have to vote for me ever again, don't worry, it is not that i'll get rid of elections, it is just that i'll

have christian nationalism so hardwired into this country's government that you won't have to bother voting for me in four years. that was his idea of cleaning that up, i guess. so, you know, whether it is a skeptical interview or a friendly interview, he's just getting further and further spinning out flailing. that's why he backed out of this debate. and let's not allow them to distort what happened. not only did he say anytime, anyplace, he also said a specific time and place, which was the date that he agreed to on the network that he agreed to in this abc debate and neither that date, nor that network were charged, but suddenly he had a problem with it the moment he realized the person he would be facing is kamala harris because, of course, he's afraid to face kamala harris in a debate. >> to which she had one of the great cambacks in modern political history, say it to my face. which is a great thing. great thing. raising kid in the age of social media, it is a great message.

pete buttigieg, it is a pleasure to talk to you. we hope to have a chance to do this a lot between now and november. thank you. >> thank you. >> claire, we ran out of time. but he's so great. the democrats have sort of lined up all of the stars in the party to make this case, to save democracy and support kamala harris. >> and people should take a note that pete buttigieg goes on fox news. i used to go on fox news as a united states senator. more democrats should go on fox news if they can. i watched him push back on jobs, i watched him push back on energy production. and that's an important -- >> crime. >> crime. and that's all that trump talks about and immigration. those four things. all those four things we need to push back on and it is a good place to do it. so i hope others follow his lead. he does it very, very well though. >> he's very, very good with that. all right, thank you for being here. >> you bet. >> still to come for us, the

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building up the middle class will be a defining goal of my presidency. because we here all know when our middle class is strong, america is strong. so we believe in opportunity. do we believe in the promise of america? and are we ready to fight for it? >> hi again, everyone. 5:00 in new york. vice president kamala harris firing up a crowd last night in georgia. her rally bringing in 10,000 attendees. it is her largest rally to date.

and just one of the many, many, many signs of enthusiasm around the vice president's campaign that we have seen in a mere week and a half since she announced her run. signs including record amounts of cash, raised from grassroots and first time donors, tens of thousands of brand-new volunteers, endorsements from seemingly every vital voting block in the country, bringing together an incredibly broad coalition and base of support. she received endorsements from former presidents, bill clinton and barack obama, house and senate leadership and governors from all across the country. harris is making very public inroads in a group that republicans have traditionally tried to claim as theirs, business leaders. "new york times" reports that more than 100 silicon valley executives including businessman mark cuban and linkedin founder reed hoffman are backing the harris campaign. she's been endorsed by mayors of cities along the u.s./mexico border, blunting gop attacks on

her record on immigration. she's been endorsed by republicans like former georgia lieutenant governor geoff duncan, and as we reported on this program yesterday, the republican mayor of mesa, arizona, john giles, who cited donald trump's role in blocking the immigration reforms harris has championed. as well as the ways the biden/harris administration has delivered for his state. here he is, talking to our friends at "morning joe." >> this is not a year that we can follow tradition or follow misplaced loyalty and vote for a republican at the top of the ticket. donald trump has demonstrated that he lacks the character, lacks the commitment to the rule of law, and to the united states constitution to qualify as an elected official, let alone as president of the united states. >> vice president kamala harris has also earned the endorsements from one of the most critical voting blocks for democrats,

america's unions, including groups like the afl-cio, and american federation of teachers. in just a few hours ago, harris winning the support of one of the largest and most influential unions in the country, with nearly 1 million active and retired members, the united automobile workers. uaw president shawn fain saying in a statement, this, quote, this campaign is bringing together people from all walks of life, building a movement that can defeat donald trump at the ballot box. for our one million active and retired members, the choice is clear. we will elect kamala harris to be our next president this november. here for first interview since making that big endorsement, the president of the united automobile workers shawn fain is here. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having us. >> tell me in your view the stakes in november. >> pretty much everything. you know, this is literally --

this election is about working class people. and you go back to our big three fight, 75% of americans supported us in that fight. there is a reason why. union or not, we're all fighting the same thing. workers have been left behind for decades in this country and it is due to policies that trump's america pushes. it is tax breaks, trump's tax cuts for the wealthy, 80% of the benefit went to the top 1%. this election is about you have one candidate in trump who represents the billionaire class, and you have a candidate this kamala harris who stands for working class people and she has shown it through her actions. that's what this is about. about working class people taking their lives back. nothing could be more important than that. >> shawn, one of the parts of the electorate that trump will fight the hardest and maybe even the dirtiest for is working class families, especially men. they will rely on a lot of disinformation to do it. what in your view is the most

important fact to get in front of working families? >> well, look, literally everything we have done in this new administration, the uaw, has been about putting facts before our members so they can make the right choice. and facts can't be any more clear in this election. donald trump sat there at a convention saying that, you know, we're selling our members out with the ev transition and that i should be fired, his favorite word, everyone should be fired. literally facts are very different and that shows how little donald trump knows about anything to do with autoworkers jobs. the biden/harris administration went to work, they're creating jobs in america. literally tens of thousands of jobs in the battery ev industry and trump -- and also saving jobs, saving communities, lourdes town, ohio, assembly workers were left behind by donald trump. he did nothing to protect a plant that was closed there. those workers were sent all over the country. under biden/harris, some of the

workers are coming home now because there is a battery plant there. they helped save a plant in belvedere, illinois, that plant was closed, they went to work with us and the company and our bargaining and helped us get funding so that factory will come back. there is a big difference in what trump says and what he does. trump is a liar and kamala harris has been there with us every step of the way. >> if you could design a schedule for vice president harris and whomever she selects as her vice president and president joe biden who made it abundantly clear he's not going anywhere, where would you send them, right? where are the other places, where the policies made a big difference? >> i think their policies made a big difference with working class people. i think we just got to do a better job of putting out there, putting the facts out there. and also talking about how donald trump left working class people behind. it is a shame, it is criminal, which is a good word for donald

trump, how much he lies about -- how much he cares about workers. he doesn't give a damn about working class people. it is obvious through his actions. he left workers behind. and clear back to the recession, he blamed workers for what the issue was ailing the companies, which it wasn't. it was corporate greed. you go back to 15, talk about doing a rotation girlfriend pay of good paying jobs in the u.s. so workers would beg for their jobs back. i just believe obviously in the midwest, you know, all over this country, i think working class people have woke up, i think they're fed up with being left behind. so i just think we have to do a really good job of putting the facts out there, and i do this every time i speak, i show our

members and i show conferences i speak to, these are the people in their own words and their own actions, it is not political party affiliated, it is not my opinion, if you look at these two in their own words and actions, it is a very telling story about who stands with the billionaires and represents the billionaire interests, and who stands up for working class people. >> and it is such a good point because here we are in year nine and there is very little being uncovered in back -- other than i guess with billionaires, trump is still saying things in smoke-filled rooms, but a lot of it is out in public. i want to show you some of what vice president kamala harris had to say for the american federation of teachers last week. >> when workers join together and demand what is fair, everyone is better off. you may not be a union member. but thank unions for the five-day workweek. for the eight hour workday.

thank unions for sick leave and paid family leave and vacation time. because the fact is unions helped build america's middle class. and when unions are strong, america is strong. >> i wrote on my notes, she is a unique messenger, she definitely is fluent in the language of uniting everyone around ideas and ideals. i wonder what the last nine days have felt like for you. >> you know, look, our membership is energized. we have taken our time as always to listen to our members, listen -- reaching out, getting

feedback from them, where they stand with this. and, look, you know, our members like the rest of america, they're excited at her candidacy, there is great energy around the harris campaign, and, you know, and her talking points right there that she spoke about at aft couldn't be any more clear. look at what happened with our big three fight. what did toyota and all the non-union companies do? they started doing what we call the uaw bump, giving pay increases to their workers that they have never done before. they were scared we were going to come and organize and which we are. that's how -- when we bargain good contracts it lifts everybody up. kamala harris understands that message and i kind of laugh when i see vice president harris talk about those great things and then i'm thinking in my mind about donald trump last week proudly admitting that he's a lap dog for elon musk taking $45 million a month from elon musk.

all that is, that tells you donald trump has a price for everything, and he's willing to sell out anybody in order to benefit himself. >> and, you know, there is a tell, right? it is what they say in their own words. let me show you what he had to say about jd vance, it goes the furthest that -- of anything i've seen in explaining why he picked him. >> i'll tell you what, i chose him because he's a very strong believer in work, and the working man, and woman, and especially the working man and woman who have been treated very unfairly because you have many of them, many of them in this room, but you have many of those people that were treated very unfairly, they worked very hard and they were treated unfairly. >> i think this is why donald trump thinks he picked jd, he worked for peter thiele, even

this feels shallow and i wonder if it is working on anybody. >> look, i mean, i have hillbilly roots. my grandparents were from the hills of tennessee and kentucky. let me assure you one thing, the lesson i was taught growing up, my family was desperate and destitute when they were young, when they were younger, prior to me being born, and, you know, they taught us one lesson growing up, don't ever forget where you come from. and that was engrained in me my entire life and, you know, we're working class people. i come from a working class family. for a person like jd vance that claims to be, you know, have a hillbilly elegy, whatever you want to call it, coming from a working class background, going to work for a venture capitalist and doing everything that is truly ugly about business and abuse of workers, that's a hard concept for me to follow that he actually cares about working class people.

but trump was right about one thing he said there, working class people feel left out, feel left behind and he's a big part of why they were. >> shawn fain, an incredibly influential person, publicly and behind the scenes. thank you very much for this appearance. i just wrote down, under my 586 paid, don't forget where you came from. thank you so much for your time today. i hope this conversation is to be continued. thank you. >> you bet. >> thank you. be glad to. thank you very much. >> thank you, sir. coming up next for us, one of the first victims of donald trump's vicious war against the rule of law came very early, the first days of his presidency. it was his acting u.s. attorney general sally yates, fired for standing up against the cruelty and abuses of his presidency. she joins us next on the clear and present danger he still represents as he makes a third run for the white house. and later in the broadcast, another big endorsement for vice

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is leaving his position, thanks in part to pressure from the ex-president, begging the question if trump had nothing to do with project 2025, how could he get the director of project 2025 to step down from project 2025? hmm. the clear and present danger posed by project 2025 and donald trump's plans for the justice department is why dozens of former doj officials including our next guest came out with a powerful letter last week endorsing vice president kamala harris they write in the letter this, quote, the fabric of our nation, the rule of law and the future of the democracy are at stake in this election. the stakes could not be higher. former president trump presents a grave risk to our country, our global alliances, and the future of democracy. joining our conversation former acting attorney general during the trump administration sally yates is here. it is so nice to get to speak with you. >> well, it is great to be with

you, nicolle. >> i haven't had a chance to interview you about any of your experiences in the first trump presidency for a while, but you're stepping back into the public arena as a threat of a second trump presidency is upon us. and i wonder if you can take me behind this incredible group, we had a chance to speak to jamie gorelick on friday, this extraordinary group of folks who like yourself don't relish anything about partisan politics, but felt compelled to speak out. >> yeah, well, very much feels like, to me, anyway, that it is now or never. that our country is literally standing on the edge of a cliff. and we have got to decide if we're going to be a country that is governed by the rule of law and when i say rule of law, i get that it sounds like this vague esoteric concept that doesn't really have an impact on people's day to day lives.

but it is not some vague concept. it is the fundamental core promise that our country makes to all of our people that we have one set of laws. and those laws apply to everyone. and so we have got to decide are we going to elect a president who will protect that or are we going to give the keys to donald trump to the justice department so that he can use it like a goon squad to go after anybody who crosses him or to protect his friends? it is that important. >> and i guess the difference between what you literally walked right into in 2016 and 2024 is this time it is in writing. i think before it revealed itself in the firing of jim comey, in the lies told by mike flynn, it unraveled mostly behind closed doors at least at first. it is on paper now. i'll read to you what project

2025 promises for the rule of law and the department of justice. quote, the supervision of litigation is a doj responsibility, but the department falls under the direct supervision and control of the president of the united states. as a component of the executive branch. litigation decisions must be made consistent with the president's agenda. the director of the fbi must be remain politically accountable to the president. just tell us what that looks like. >> yeah, that's exactly what he was trying to do in his first administration, but his efforts were thwarted at times by officials at doj. look, there is plenty of scary stuff on the page -- in the pages of project 2025. but you don't even have to look at that to know what donald trump would do with the justice department if he's given another term. you only really have to look at what he tried to do the first time. he tried to use doj as a vehicle

to help overthrow an election, to stage a coup. we talked about this so much, it is as if we have gotten numb to it. he did that, he tried to sick doj on his political enemies, tried to protect his friends. you know, much of that was thwarted in first trump administration. because you did have people there, political appointees, who wouldn't go for that, and stood up for it. but let's just think about whether you're going to have any of those kind of people in a second trump administration. first, i don't think donald trump would appoint any of them, that much is really clear. and i'm not sure who would want to be part of a second trump administration department of justice. you lose all of those governors, and then you have this supreme court essentially giving him a get out of jail free card telling him don't you worry, anything you want to do with the department of justice you got absolute immunity for that.

this is a deadly combination. and i think that's why it is so important that everyone get involved now, even folks who don't like to get involved in partisan issues. i don't view this as a partisan issue. i view this, it is essential to the defining character of who we are as americans. >> one of the consequences of losing the rule of law in america is losing our standing in the world. people don't always, i think, understand that one of the -- one of the ways trump reflected badly on america was that if you watched january 6th and thought it couldn't happen here, you will never think that again. it did happen here and that's forever. tell me from sort of the things you heard since then, and then you mentioned the supreme courts and immunity ruling, what is at stake in terms of america's

standing in the world, in the november election? >> i think everything is at stake. you know, it is -- it was bad enough when that happened in the first trump administration. but let's just think about how the rest of the world will view us if we re-elect him after everything he's done and everything he said about what he wants to do in the next administration, and we say, yes, we'll have more of that, please. they can't ever trust us again and it also undermines i think the public's confidence here as well, you know, when you talk about the rule of law and equal justice, if people don't have confidence in our criminal justice system, if they don't trust it, then our whole system falls apart and that has a really severe impact on public safety here as well. so it is bad news for everybody, at home and abroad. >> one of the things that got

some scrutiny and obviously investigated by the january 6th select committee was trump's ability by the end of his presidency to use the levers of power a little more ably than he was at the beginning. and there is a lot of reporting, mostly in great books that were written about his appetite for invoking the insurrection act to tap into the extraordinary powers of the presidency during extraordinary times. can you just play that out a little bit for us, that if there were another scenario where there were protests how he might use the extraordinary powers to abuse his power in office? >> well, from what i read, obviously wasn't there, yes, that is something that he wanted to do, and it was only because he had people both at dod and the justice department who pushed back and wouldn't go along with it that that didn't happen. but he was still from what i read very perplexed about why since he was president why

couldn't he do that. well, again, it is this deadly combination again, you won't have the people there who will say no to him, and to the extent that concern about being criminally prosecuted had an ever so slight chilling effect on him, he doesn't have that now either. it is once again sort of just giving him cart blanche to be able to do whatever he wants to do, as long as he can shroud it in official acts. >> one of the things that emerged at the end was the role that chairman of the joint chiefs mark milley played as a guardrail at dod and the pentagon. one thing that reporting has revealed is that his red line was that he wouldn't carry out an illegal order. how does just our way of thinking about what an illegal order is, how does that -- how do we need to change our thinking around that in light of the supreme court's immunity

decision? >> well, look, the supreme court didn't change what's lawful and what isn't. what it said was is that the president can't be prosecuted for engaging in those unlawful acts. but everybody else around him can be prosecuted for that. and, again, it doesn't change the quality of the act as to whether it is lawful or isn't lawful. i would hope you would still have people like mark milley who would not carry out an unlawful order. >> i guess so -- >> who knows if we'll be in these positions. >> and the president seemed very willing to use his pardon power as well, with the border and the military. i want to ask you about vice president kamala harris on the campaign trail. the letter came out shortly after president biden passed the torch to vice president kamala harris and she's been making a very sharp argument that has quickly been short-handed as the prosecutor versus the felon. to the degree that the country is having a conversation about

things that are in front of them, the price of things, the stakes, reproductive healthcare, she seems to be putting the rule of law on the kitchen table with everything else. i imagine people who have spent their careers guarding and protecting the rule of law think that is a good thing. your thoughts? >> well, i do think it is a good thing. obviously in part because i spent nearly 30 dwre years at t department of justice. for another reason too, the contrast of the prosecutor versus the felon could not be more stark. but a real danger with the felon is that he is looking out for himself. i think we all know now that donald trump will carry out this office based on what he thinks is best for him, not what is necessarily best for the country. and people ought to be really concerned about that beyond just our criminal justice system and the rule of law. >> if vice president kamala harris prevails and asks you to

serve in the administration, would you say yes? >> well, look, that's getting way ahead of ourselves now. look, i -- my heart is in public service. i'm not going to be coy and pretend it is not. i would be honored to be asked, and, of course, would consider, but i think we still got what is it 97 days -- >> 97 days. who's counting? >> 97 days, yeah, until we have an election. so, the most important thing for this country is having someone in place and i believe and i think the other people who signed that letter believe that a president harris would respect the rule of law, regardless of the fact that the supreme court tells her she can violate the law and not be prosecuted, i think she not only will comply with the law, but also will comply with the norms that are so essential to maintaining our system. >> it is so amazing, if there is one thing that sort of repeats, it is our perhaps overreliance on the time of trump on what

you're talking about, the norms and the traditions of keeping things apolitical. sally yates, a rare treat to get to talk to you. thank you so much for spending some time with us today. >> thanks for having me. i've enjoyed it. >> thank you. up next, for us, fred trump is here, he'll join us at the table to talk about his new book, it is heart breaking, it is about being a trump, about the hate and the toxicity that his uncle donald trump has normalized, not just for the country, but in his family. "deadline: white house" will be back after a short break. don't go anywhere. will be back after a short break don't go anywhere. (♪♪) [shaking] itchy pet?

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written by a nice reporter. the poor guy, you got to see this guy, oh, i don't know what i said, i don't remember. he's going i don't remember. maybe that's what i said. obamacare is a catastrophe. nobody talks about it. without john mccain, we would have had it done. john mccain for some reason couldn't get his arm up that day. remember, he goes, like that, that was the end of that. two nights ago we all heard crooked joe's angry hate-filled rant of a state of the union address. didn't it bring us together? bring the country to, to, to together, i'm going to bring it together. >> whether it is mocking the sitting president, joe biden, over his life long battle with stuttering or mocking a war veteran like john mccain for the injuries he suffered while he

was a prisoner of war, or mocking a journalist who suffers from a congenital muscular disease, we have seen this before, right, for donald trump, cruelty is the whole point. no one knows that better than our next guest, the disgraced ex-president's nephew fred trump whose beloved son william, donald trump's grand nephew is living with complex disabilities, the results of a neurological disorder, a son who is the light of his family's life, family's north star, young man, a member of his own family, who donald trump has chosen to never even meet and who is on the receiving end of some of donald trump's disdain. when fred trump asked his uncle for financial help to cover william's medical bills, this is some of what he said, quote, i don't know, donald trump finally said, letting out a sigh, he doesn't recognize you. maybe you should just let him

die and move down to florida. that depravity, that moral rot, that frankly sociopathy has become normalized, it is who he is, right? trump's calling card, but for his nephew, fred trump, also the last straw. it was a tipping point that inspired him to break his silence in a new book "all in the family: the trumps and how we got this way." joining us now is the aforementioned fred trump. >> nicolle, thanks for having me. >> i can't read -- i can't talk about anyone's kids, without starting to cry, i can't read about the things he said about your son without getting emotional. for context, he did contribute some financial support. it is a new -- the power of your book, it is a nuanced portrait,

but the cruelty toward your son is so jarring. i wonder if i could ask to tell you more. >> i would like too get back to the medical fund set up for william, but i watched you last week when you read that passage, and remember the pause you took while you were reading and then you came on camera and i thought i saw your eyes and had been reddened up. and the beautiful part of that is the responses we have gotten since this book dropped yesterday has been overwhelming. people throughout the country and frankly the world have come to us and said thank you for speaking out, not just to shine a light on donald's cruelty, but to push us forward to do what we really want to do, which is advocate for people with intellectual, developmental disabilities. william's the most courageous and inspirational person i have ever met. and, yes, he is a ray of light

in so many people's lives. all you need to do is see his smile and that's it. it knocks you over. regarding the medical fund, it really goes back to the lawsuit that my sister and i brought against donald and his siblings for -- i'll use the word cheating us out of our rightful inheritance. if you remember, donald was in the depths of a bad financial catastrophe of his own making. so he hatched this plan and after william was in hospital for seven weeks, three of which were in mount sinai, where i was born and where mary was born and all three of my kids were born -- >> my son was born there. it is great. >> william is in the neonatal intensive care unit there. each of my aunts and uncles lived within a half a mile of the hospital, not once did they visit. we spent a total of four other

weeks in two other hospitals, came home, and about a week or so later we receive a letter from donald's attorney saying you're out. take this and be done with it. >> why? >> well, i think it is because he was in deep financial trouble. and he found a way to disinherit us from, well, i mean, if you look at it, it was really -- if my father was alive, my father would have gotten that money. dad passed many years previous to that. so, donald was my trustee. after my father died, he was anointed, if you will, my trustee. that's him, he's supposed to protect me and my family and he did the exact opposite. so, the medical fund which i asked for after ten years, so many things were going on and money was tough back then. we were just coming through the

great recession, and a fund was put up, but the way i've always looked at it, that was my rightful money that i was asking for. >> one of the great things about the book, the book is really well done and one of the things that i pulled out was the family tree. can you just tell everyone your -- who your father is, your aunts and uncles, just -- it was great. i loved seeing it all right there. >> yeah. we could go way back to the -- it is -- >> and you do, the book is great. >> we start, but if you go way back, it is -- >> like 23 and me. >> fred or christopher or mary or mary ann or elizabeth, that's all there was. but, yeah, we started with my grandfather basically. and he was a very tough, driven businessman. and my dad, the eldest brother, eldest son, donald's older brother, did not want to go into

the family business. my father had a tremendous passion for flying. and he became an airline pilot. and back in those early 1960s, airline pilots were on par with astronauts almost. and people will say, hey, you know, this story is very much like succession. i said, it really isn't. in "succession," all three of the siblings want the father's job. my father didn't. my father gave the pathway to donald to take up the reins after my father -- after my grandfather would pass. >> you tied some of donald trump's cruelty to your grandfather, will you explain that? >> he was a very unemotional guy. it is just the way he was. >> cruel? >> emotionally cruel. but then again, there were times that if you remember when he took me to forest park golf course and said, that's where i

used to caddie in the 1920s, that was a nice moment. but in the end, he was cruel. and -- >> do you think that's how donald became cruel? >> absolutely. absolutely. and don't forget, donald's one of his mentors was roy cohen, i'm not a gentle -- not a gentle guy. >> when i covered the children in cages, family separation, i had this same emotional and i think reaction on the air as i did when i read the passage about his reaction to your son, and i wondered how he could treat babies that way. but when i read how he treats his own family, it computes. how do you deal with watching him scale his cruelty across the country and across the globe? >> again, i know him so well that it makes him feel better than anybody else. i call it trickle down cruelty. he doesn't like this group, and he makes this group not like this group, and it just keeps

going down and down. it is unfortunate. it really is unfortunate. because just think if he had used his wealth and power when he was president to do good things instead of, you know, threatening to end democracy as we know it and to give billionaires tax breaks and stuff. it could have been a whole different story if he could have used his abilities for the good. and maybe i'm trying to make up for that. >> do you feel bad? what would you have to make up for? >> his lack of empathy. i don't -- i feel that my -- my name has been attached to his insanity. i'll use it this -- bat crazy. i don't want myself or my wife or my kids to be tarred with the

antics of donald. >> i want to ask you, a lot of this you've confronted him with. like the toxicity of the name and he didn't like that at all. i have to sneak in a break. we'll have you tell it on the other side. we'll be right back. have you te other side we'll be right back. when we say it'll be on time, they expect it to be on time. turn shipping to your advantage. keep those expectations with reliable ground shipping. thanks brandon. with usps ground advantage®. ♪♪

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he's horrified when you tell him that the trump name, the trump brand is toxic. tell that story. >> i had gone to see him and at bedminster, the golf course, in new jersey. and donald and i shared a passion of golf. he's the first one to introduce me to golf as a kid and we played many, many times. i went out there after playing, he had had his out of office and he's in this little -- kind of pathetic, his next version of the oval office. and i said, you know, i've been having some trouble at business, i worked in the real estate business on my own for 35 years, and i said, you know, things are tough right now. and a lot of people say that our name is toxic. and he looks at me and he goes, never say the family's name is toxic. i said, it is not me saying it, it is people saying it to me. and if you want to take it -- i didn't say this to him, but if you want to take it further,

google worst brands in the company and the trump organization is down there in the bottom of the barrel. >> he's now running against someone who at least for the last nine days is kicking his butt. >> yeah. i pity the person or the group of people who were advising him to think that biden was going to stay, even if it was his idea. i don't much like the guy from project 2025 who he kicked out. i think he's scared. and he should be. and i think you know that i am going to vote for kamala harris and i'll campaign for her if i'm asked. as i mentioned before, i feel the country is in danger if there is a second trump republican party as different republican party certainly as you knew it. kamala harris is going to keep us moving forward.

and it is -- i know this, and i will be on a call friday night with -- i don't even know how many thousands of people regarding disability issues. >> on behalf of the harris campaign? >> yeah. i mean, i'm not hosting it, but i will be on the call. >> that's amazing. >> i can't even imagine a trump administration having an event like that. >> when he said these things about your son, how did you -- how were you able -- people like your son should just die, how are you able to still have a relationship with him, just even on a human level? >> you know i've been asked that question a number of times and i guess one of the things that the book has taught me is how resilient i can be and as grotesque as that comment was and as horrible that he's been to me in certain situations, you know, he's my uncle.

and we did have some good times, funny anecdote on a new year's eve i get the call from him, it is your favorite president, happy new year's to you, lisa and the kids. he could be that way. but he's turned into something different than he was when he came into office. we all thought that he was literally going there to make a buck. he didn't expect to win. that i know. and when he did, i think it was a shocker to him. but he had to keep up the populist agenda, he had to keep amping up his crowd and now i think the crowd is so amped up, he has to stay one step ahead of them and that's not a good place to be. >> his appetite for violence, is that something that surprises you? >> yeah, you know -- >> language of violence -- >> i don't want to be an armchair psychologist, but it is the guys who talk tough that have never been in a fight

before. though i know he got knocked down on the 18th green at winged foot one time. so he's the fake brave and the phony tough as far as i'm concerned. >> he has a special derision for men and women who served in the military, john mccain, thinks they're suckers and loser, said to john kelly, didn't understand why anyone would do that. where does his aversion to the military come from? >> probably from his father. my dad served. the only one in the family. i used to use his army trunk as a camp trunk, overnight camp trunk. again, i'm a huge godfather fan. >> the quote -- >> the country is not sure you're family, is not your blood. that was it. i may have been young, but i had a hell of a memory when the whole draft issue was coming up and wheels started spinning right away, how to get out of this. >> he didn't want to serve.

>> oh, no, and my grandfather didn't want him to serve. i understand that. >> did you know about the lie at the time, about bone spurs? >> i wasn't there when that exceptionally weird plan was hatched, but i was there when, you know, the numbers were being called out and, again, it was a very somber night. i remember clearly. >> what do you remember? >> again, my grandfather automatically just started how am i going to use my influence with people. and it happened. the fact that it happened with a podiatrist in jamaica, queens, i don't think was the story, how the story was going to end, but how -- >> how do you think he's fooled so many people into buying this? >> i don't remember who i heard it from. but i think people like to be lied to. they like to be treated by someone like they're special. and all i can say and i saw

clips of him at the black journalists association conference today, he's using these people as pawns. and once he is done, he will cast them aside. >> should we ignore him? outrageous things he says?he >> oh, i absolutely, he is the king of any press is good press. and i had -- i didn't have to, i kept quiet in 2015, but i'm saying why is everybody filming every rally and sticking it on the news every night. >> that's what he wanted. >> he feeds off that. >> and to deprive him of the attention is the worst thing he could do. >> the past ten days, probably have been driving him absolutely nuts. >> we'll have to keep it up. we should just note -- >> 97 days. >> we should note, and you'll be a surrogate for the harris campaign if they ask you?

>> more than happy to. we should share with our viewers, eric trump's statement, quote, it is disappointing that after decades of unwavering love, i guess unwavering if that includes what he said about your son, support, golf memberships, family vacations and millions of dollars in support for his wonderful son, fred trump has decided to cash in less than 100 days before an election. any response? >> thanks for the publicity? >> fred trump, the new book is called "all in the family: the trumps and how we got this way," it is a must read and it is out today. a quick break for us. we'll be right back. out today. a quick break for us we'll be right back. t simple..., upfront pricing. with usps ground advantage®. ♪♪ and there's nelly korda choosing her club... wait... that's not a wedge, that's her iphone 15 from t-mobile. —she sets it up... —shhhhh! no need to be quiet. switch to t-mobile, get four iphone 15's on us plus four lines for $25 a line. ♪♪ (restaurant noise)

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