convention will be designed to give all of those americans not comfortable with that, an opportunity to say this is not a democratic thing, this is a freedom thing because we are not going to go back to the type of country we were, we will go back into the future. the other thing is you see trump reacting in a desperate manner and what does he do when he gets concerned? he reverts to these race war types of things. that's what he tried to do today at nabj and we cannot as a country allow that to define the terms of the race and i don't think harris is going to do that. that's why she was moderate in her comments tonight. >> absolutely. thank you both for being with us tonight on this very interesting news day. folks, that is all in on this wednesday night. alex wagner's show tonight starts now. >> i like that you have generously called it an interesting news day. props to you, michael steele. today has been a lot.

today has been a lot and we will get into all of it, thank you, my friend, it's good to see you. >> okay, until recently, the national conversation about this 2024 presidential election has been largely focused on white working-class voters. president biden considered himself the champion for the working and the middle class, donald trump's running mate, senator vance, introduced himself at the republican national convention as the son of appalachia, with hillbilly roots. a man who would fight for the workers in this country. but the question of how black voters might vote this year, black voters, and a key segment of the electorate, that question has been unusually open-ended. when biden was still at the top of the ticket, polls showed him underperforming with black voters as they slipped to donald trump. an in-depth survey of nearly i 9000 of adult published the summer before i didn't dropped out found that one in five black men said they planned to

vote for trump. in the 2016 election, 13% of black men voted for trump that in 2020, 19% of black men did. part of biden's problem as a candidate was figuring out how to stop lack voters especially black men, from deserting the democratic party this november. but since vice president harris has become the de facto nominee less than two weeks ago, those numbers have changed and they have changed significantly. and now the trump campaign is in a tailspin as it tries to figure out whether voters of color, particularly black voters are still in play. and so today, in a remarkably ill-advised appearance before the national association of black journalists, nabj, donald trump sat on stage, for a question and answer session.

>> a lot of people did not think it was appropriate for k you to be here today. you have pushed false claims about some of your rivals, from nikki haley to former president obama saying that they were not born in the united states which is not true, you've told for congresswoman women of color who are american citizens to gon back to where they came from you have used words like animal and rabbit to describe black district attorneys, saying the questions they ask are stupid and racist, you had dinner with a white supremacist at your mar- a-lago resort. my question, sir, now that you are asking black supporters to vote for you, why should black voters trust you after you have use language like that? >> first of all, i don't think i've ever been asked a question in such a horrible manner, first question. you don't even say hello, how are you, and i think it's disgraceful that i came here in good spirit. i think it is a very rude

introduction. i don't know exactly why you would do something like this. you were half an hour late. i have too much respect for you to be late. you started off the question and answer. because you couldn't get your equipment to work in such a hostile manner, i think it's a disgrace. >> calling abc reporter rachel scott disgraceful, complaining that the journalists couldn't figure out how to operate their equipment, repeatedly calling the black reporters late, all complaints that veered into racist tropes about tardiness and competence. that is how trump's nabj appearance went today but that maybe wasn't even the worst part. when trump was subsequently asked about republican claims that vice president harris is only on the ticket because she's a black woman , trump responded by questioning harris's racial identity. >> she was always of indian heritage and she was only

promoting indian heritage, i didn't know she was black until a number of years ago when she happened to turn black and now she wants to be known as black, i don't know, is she indian? or is she black? i respect either one but she obviously doesn't. because she was indian all the way and then all of a sudden she made a turn and she became a black person. i think somebody should look into that, too, when you continue in a hostile and nasty tone. >> that's donald trump, openly questioning the racial identity of the country's first black and asian vice president. for the record here, while campaigning for attorney general of california and later for president of the united states in 2020, kamala harris es repeatedly told her family story, a story of two immigrants, one from jamaica and the other from india who found opportunity in the united states. on this point, kamala harris has never been unclear. >> i was raised by a proud d

indian mother as a proud african american woman. >> i was first african american and asian woman elected in the state as a district attorney. >> paris's identity as a biracial american of the story of her immigrant heritage are two things that a lot of voters can relate to. but donald trump suggested to a room full of black people that harris and her blackness was somehow, inadequate. and in the hours nesince that debacle of an event, donald trump has only doubled down. he has made questioning vice president harris is blackness an actual campaign strategy. minutes after leaving leaving the stage he wrote on social media, crazy kamala is saying

she's indian, not black, this is a big deal, stone cold phony, she uses everybody including her racial identity. this evening, as crowds gathered for a rally in harrisburg, pennsylvania, the trump campaign projected above the stage an image of harris next to a headline that reads, california's kamala harris becomes the first indian american u.s. senate her. then at the same rally, campaign advisor and lawyer, th went after vice president harris directly about her identity. >> i'm going to speak to you miss harris i am a strong woman, a mom, a lawyer and an american. and unlike you, kamala, i know where i come from. >> so that is the trump strategy to win black voters this november. that's the strategy.

and then there is the harris strategy. in our go vice president harris made remarks at the convention of the sigma gamma rho story, one of the country's nine most prominent black fraternities and sororities, the ones that make up the divine nine, they have a century long history of political organizing, mobilizing voters in black communities across the country o and this year, with kamala harris on the top of the ticket the presence of online groups published this letter promising to meet this critical moment with an unprecedented voter registration, education and mobilization campaign. many of the 4 million members of the divine nine joined last week's organizing call for the group, win with black women, the call that raised more than $1.5 million for the harris campaign. many members of the divine nine are also political journalists. it is that community of black

organizers that kamala harris spoke to tonight, just hours after her opponent used his time on stage to insult them. >> it was the same old show, the divisiveness and the disrespect, and let me just say, the american people deserve better. the american people deserve better. the american people deserve a leader who tells the truth, a leader who does not respond with hostility and anger when confronted with the facts. we deserve a leader who understands that our differences do not divide us. they are an essential source of our strength. >> it's so great to have all of

you here with me but yamiche, how did trump's new strategy of questioning kamala harris and her blackness, how did that play? >> good evening, i'm interested to see what jalani is. you had journalists questioning whether or not it was a good use of the organizations time to bring donald trump to the annual convention because he has questioned democracy and obviously, some say, really cost january 6th in the capitol to happen. there were others who were

genuinely curious, wanted to see and answer questions about how he would impact the black community, how he would win over people, so it started off with a little bit of tension e but a lot of open minds, and immediately when he started attacking rachel scott of abc news, people started to gasp and were really stunned by the way that he was talking to her even though we've seen him talk that way to a number of people, but people were still hoping maybe this time, he would have a little more decorum and then when he started attacking vice president harris and her identity, people started reacting saying that's a lie, that's not true and as someone who has been covering vice president harris for years now and now covering her campaign, i can tell you the clips that you played, talking about her parents, she often tells a story about how they met and how they used to push her in a stroller to go to protest as a young girl, this was someone who has very much articulated not only her identity but how her identity and their passion for civil rights, how it impacted her wanting to have

justice and accountability from inside the justice system. there were a lot of people in the room who were frankly angry and wondering whether or not this was the best use of time right now for people. i was one of the journalists who was texting people in the harris campaign and i wanted to know what their reaction was. and i got back people saying, donald trump was unhinged, it was below the belt, even for him, to question her identity. t i have to remind people not only did she go to howard, but she joined the first historically black sorority, alpha count the alpha -- alpha kappa alpha, she has been someone who has just her black identity as well as her indian american identity. so it was really a sight to behold. i've seen a lot of remarkable things covering trump but today, it stood out. >> yeah, it is something to behold even if you weren't in

the room and dean cobb, you were in the room, i do wonder, this is a strategy, this wasn't just trump howling off, stthis was something he repeated, they had a screen ready, a projector shot ready at the rally, they have alina habba questioning her blackness, it's as if, donald trump doesn't understand the long legacy of racism associated with questioning someone's blackness. it was a staggering oversight. what are your athoughts about all of this? >> first off, you know, to yamiche's point, this was very much reminiscent of a comedian trying out new material, and the time since kamala harris has become the presumptive nominee you see the people on

their side really struggled to figure out what to say about her or how to approach this, so it seemed as if they were just trotting out the next thing, let's just say she's really not a black person. that portrays a stunning a grant of african americans, certainly stunning ignorance of african american history. there's a long history of people who you would categorize as multiracial who are considered african american. if we went through an entire list we would talk about virtually half of the people that are in the history books, so, that is something that not only is it frankly ignorant, but also, inflammatory. and so, i don't think that this works certainly for the audience that he was talking to today but i think it was meant to be for an audience that was outside of that room. they are just kind of throwing darts and seeing what sticks, saying things that are insulting, like a comedian

seeing which lines get the laugh. >> i wonder what you think of the strategy, it's not overtly questioning her blackness, it's also, going after code switching, fox news has a chiron from last night, talking about kamala harris, her different accents that she uses during rallies, jd vance in arizona it's nice that harris put on a southern accent for a georgia audience, trump said the same thing in his rally in pennsylvania. this is all part of a portfolio of questioning how black she really is. is this what has been missing? >> it's rich because we end up not talking about wany of the issues. we end up not talking about the challenges that this country is it's a long-standing republican strategy of, you know, republicans going into these black spaces, not always to recruit new black voters or black supporters but sometimes,

signaling to white moderates that you know, they are willing to go and be around the black people, they are willing to speak directly to these audiences which may not be supportive, they are not necessarily racist, the way that they might be getting labeled based off of their policies are based off of their practices or who they hire and who they engage with. so this is a long-standing strategy and i do think it's important that underneath the lies, the outrageous things that trump says that we continue to stay focused on some of the things that he sometimes says that can possibly break through. in that conversation, he is doing this long-standing sort of attack on immigrants, and really trying to speak directly to black voters, where he is sort of blaming immigration for economic challenges that the black community may be facing, and not, you know, talking about the role of corporations, the role of the trump tax cuts,

the role of these different factors which actually led to the ways in which our economy may not be producing for everyone on that level and the work that actually has to be done. and so we have to do the work to make sure that people understand that when those trump tax cuts expire next year, we want a kamala harris at the table to negotiate with and do the work to move us forward. it's also just rich to have his vice presidential nominee jd vance, follow this up, given that he has biracial children. it's kind of sick that he would play along with this, as a someone who claims to want to be a good father and talks about being a good family man, that he would allow this three- time cheater on his wife, someone with five children by three different women, to get up and put him in this position

as you know, to make attacks and level attacks that would actually attack his own family. >> i will say, as a mixed race person myself, the thing about being mixed races you can be two things at once. donald trump is not somebody who understands that. there's a lot more to talk about, we will take a quick break. please hang with me. coming up, donald trump calls himself a victim of a two- tiered justice system and you did hear that correctly. more on trump's disastrous appearance at national association of black journalists and later, tonight the country was treated to a split screen of how two campaigns are easing two very different strategies to win voters in november. stay with us. with us ♪ ♪ i got the power of 3. i lowered my a1c, cv risk, and lost some weight.

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this afternoon at the nabj conference, donald trump was asked that he would be willing to take a cognitive test and said his opponent, kamala harris, should do one as well. >> she failed her law exam, didn't pass her law exam so maybe she wouldn't pass the cognitive test.

>> mr. president -- >> i'm just giving you the facts. >> she didn't pass her bar exam and she didn't think she would pass it and she didn't think she was going to ever pass it and i don't know what happened, maybe she passed it. >> dean cobb, the insinuation that kamala harris didn't pass the bar, she did pass the bar, the obsession with barack obama's grade transcript from occidental college, the fact that donald trump himself i believe told his lawyer michael cohen to threaten all of the schools not to release his own graves to the media. but this preoccupation with black achievement or in donald trump's, idea, black underachievement. what does that tell you about how he sees black people? >> we saw the same thing with birth tourism which is saying that barack obama was not

eligible to vote in the election that he actually won and he pivoted from that to demanding that he see barack obama's transcripts at occidental and at columbia university, and so, believing that somehow or another he was illegitimate but refusing to subject himself to the same level of scrutiny. and so, now we are seeing the template which they are attempting to deploy against kamala harris, she would not be eligible to practice law in the state, much less become the attorney general of the state of california without having passed the california bar but

again, it's saying things, a comedian, just trying out material, maybe there are people who don't know that you have to pass the bar in order to practice law in the state or become the attorney general. it's more of that same strategy. >> repeatedly questioned whether they knew how to use their equipment, whether they had made him late, whether they were nasty, their questions were rude, that follows a pattern of trump questioning the intelligence and the motivations of plenty of other black journalists who were not in the room. i want to play a montage that we have of some of trump's history on this. >> you know i find it interesting because you do talk about reining in the prosecutors, especially those prosecutors were prosecuting you, why doesn't that skepticism apply to law enforcement? >> that is not the clip i was talking about but you yourself, yamiche have been victim to donald trump, i believe he called you a racist?, he's

called abby philip, a stupid question or, here, we actually have the sound, let's play it. >> what a stupid question that is. what a stupid question. but i want you to watch you a lot and you ask a lot of stupid questions. >> you call yourself a nationalist, now people -- >> it's such a racist question. that's a racist question. honestly, i mean, i know you have it written down and you're going to tell me, let me tell you, that's a racist question. >> april ryan, i watch her get up, you talk about somebody that's a loser, she doesn't know what the she's doing. she is very, nasty. >> can you talk about your experience in the context of that with donald trump and what you sort of made of his posture today? >> well i respect they were asking the question that i will say first i find myself as i know abby and april deal, as really a working journalist,

definitely not a victim because of the end of they will you are just trying to get true that of trump and the exchange that you play, that was the midterms where he did not have the sort of games that he wanted to have, where democrats had a lot of success and i was questioning about the idea that he was playing ftse with white supremacist him. that was the cycle where at one point he had an ad that was deemed, too precious to play on fox news, because he was talking about the border and the caravans and all of that and that network which has a history and people questioning whether or not they are also prejudiced themselves, they would not put that on the air. what you see is black woman in particular, trying to get answers, being at work, doing their work and being met with this attention, with these insults, and at the end of the day, i know for myself, i'm focused on getting answers for the american people and that is

why i became a journalist. i do also want to bring up one point, because if we zoom out, let's think about the context. for the last few weeks, trump was not the lead story. even when he almost got assassinated, that was a big story but we covered it for a few days because then the story went back to the fact that president biden had an uncertain future as the democratic nominee and ultimately dropped out and endorsed paris. ever since that happened, all you have seen is the enthusiasm of harris, the energy, she has blocked out former president trump's ability to go over the news cycle. what you see is us go back to the trump cycle, talking to republicans, they were worried about how they would counter what was a bunch of positive stories about how kamala harris last night had 10,000 people

dancing and surfing and being so happy about the fact that they were going to go to the polls, a grammy-winning rapper said we are going to go to the polls for vice president harris, and here is trump wrestling back the news cycle for himself. >> it's such a good point, trump has not been the center of the maelstrom. i was very interested to hear how vice president harris kind of responded to what unfolded this afternoon tonight at her rally. she basically said it's the same old story and we need someone who is not going to divide us. what did you make of that response and that strategy to not sort of take up the division that donald trump would like to sow, rochon? >> we've seen this over and over for donald trump and he has a ceiling, about the number of people that will come on board with this message. this is an opportunity for vice president harris to really take

hold of this unprecedented energy that we are seeing, you know, weeks ago, it was hard to get people to volunteer, to engage in this election cycle, it was hard to get people excited, hard for so many grassroots organizations to be able to muster up the energy to walk into the cycle and feel like we were going to have the foot soldiers, to be able to fight back against what we know will be misinformation and disinformation fueled by social media platforms, which we know is an uphill battle in so many ways and now this new level of energy is an opportunity for vice president harris to you know, really speak to the public about what she will do in the four years that she will have as president is elected. and an opportunity to be able to translate this energy into action, to get people out and

engage. what we are seeing from trump is a lot of flailing, and what everyone should recognize is he is this big-budget hollywood movie with bombs, distraction, plot twists and oftentimes there is a piece of the public that will forgive a big budget hollywood movie when it doesn't all line up, when it doesn't all make sense. so we can't get into arguing about what dozen or does make sense when we have to paint an alternative vision of the future. a future where more people have an opportunity and for folks to recognize that you know, in these big questions that are coming down the pike, do we want someone like donald trump that is going to be on the other side arguing with himself or arguing about things that people don't care about or do we want someone who will be serious enough that we can have on the other side of the table and we can push on the issues that actually matter most. it's why the color of change packed was so proud to endorse vice president harris today, and

excited because we are seeing unprecedented numbers of volunteers willing to show up and engage. it's something exciting happening right now. and that is what we need to focus on. >> and i just say one really quick thing, i know shot is telling us not to get into the down and dirty but nabj is a stellar organization that helps black journalists get professional development, sources, network of mentors, this is an organization that is doing the work and he came and said that we weren't able to sort of put together an event, that the sound was bad, for my understanding, i could hear him clearly, so i want to clear that up. nabj was doing their best to put on an event and did not have some of the issues that he was talking about. >> i could hear him fine, for whatever that is worth. thanks for joining me, i appreciate it. trump continues to use the term black jobs and today he

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the latest bloomberg poll shows vice president harris

leading trump by one point, which is within the margin of error among crucial state voters. what are we to make of the two strategies we saw play out today with trump speaking to the national association of black journalists and vice president harris addressing sigma gamma road sorority, one of the nine most prominent attorneys and sororities. joining me now is a campaign manager for bernie sanders 2020 presidential campaign. fas, thank you for being with me. i wonder what you make of the trump strategy to go to a high profile conference, take a q&a and say nothing of the editorial that emerged from it and the hare strategy to go down and talk directly with you know, a network of black sorority women and organizers,

for lack of a better term, who have a proven historical record of mobilizing voters in previous election cycles. >> kamala harris is consolidating the base, spending her time to jump from event to event and next week i think she's going to seven battleground states in a course of a few days. but she is trying to build that energy, trump, i think yamiche mentioned it, she was right on that he wants to get the mic back in his hands, and one of the classic tactics of trump that we've known forever is that he psychologically trolled his opponent when he feels like the microphone has left him. here comes birdbrain haley, and attacks on jeb bush's, all of the things that he is laid, just to try to psychological control the narrative back over to him and what it does is try to distract the opponent from talking about the things that you want to talk about.

you saw vice president harris tonight, she's not going to get distracted. i'm a tough prosecutor who is going to bring accountability to this government and make things happen for you. the more she introduces herself to a lot of people that will come online, they will dial into this race for the first time, that's what they need to hear from. >> just as an organizing strategy, it looks clearly that the trump campaign is not interested in grassroots doorknocking, they are not interested in the shoe leather campaigning, that doesn't feel like the strategy that the democrats are pursuing. this is an established network of people who are already in community with one another and talking to one another in a

grassroots faction. >> i'm confident that the democrats will have a strong grassroots organization but i will caution us, you mentioned this about trump. he relies more on social media, not the classic organizing, we hear from the new york times thursday super pac coming online to try to fill in the gaps for him, to do some of this organizing but here is the caution, though. donald trump has been in two presidential elections. in each of them, he outperformed the number of votes that people thought he was going to get heading into election day. so we shouldn't fool ourselves into thinking that somehow because he's not investing in certain things that we are, that people aren't going to turn out. he's got a high level of loyalty, these rallies and the crowd he generates our

organizing strategies and i would go into election day assuming that whatever the polls are, he is going to outperform them because that has been the track record. it means like in 2020, our outperformance, our voter turnout is just going to swap his and hopefully we crush him. >> it's an important cautionary note because we all have reporting from the new york times that said that kamala harris is the favor -- favorite to win the popular vote but he still has the electoral college. what would your advice be to people who are looking at the hare strategy and trying to turn the momentum into real practical victory. >> i offer this as a caution, alex, they've run two presidential elections, they know their voters, that's a huge advantage. we don't know necessarily exactly all the voter universe for harris, i think it could be larger. it could be larger if young

people turn out but it means the work for us is harder to make sure we are trying to reach out to you on what might have been the biden turnout vote, and tried to talk to people and not assume that we already know where they are at because harris could turn and move persuasion. but is going to require the organizing, person to person. >> always good to talk to you, my friend. when we come back, the days of conspiracy theorists searching for evidence of election fraud, may not be behind us. there's a chilling new reporting laying out why 2024 could be maybe even more chaotic than 2020, that is next. and so did our business needs. the chase ink card made it easy. when you go for something big like this, your kids see that. and they believe they can do the same. earn unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase

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same republican voices was stephen richard, yesterday he lost his primary for reelection and the republican who will take his place on the ticket is this guy, state representative justin heap. he will not give a straight answer to this very important question. >> the donald trump win the presidential election in 2020 in arizona? >> this seems to be the only question that people -- >> please answer. please answer

swing state, at least that one will be in richer's hands. the bad news is other election deniers will be in charge of their local elections and they can have a huge impact this november. yesterday nate silver relaunched his election forecast and it shows kamala harris as the favorite to win the popular vote, but it also shows donald trump i had of harris when it comes to the electoral college. there are good odds we may be barreling towards an incredibly tight race, one that will be decided by a few thousand votes in one swing state for another. and wouldn't you know it, this week rolling stone came out with new reporting showing pro- trump election deniers are workingrs as local election officials in at least 16 counties across the 16 battleground states. now these are not all necessarily giant, high population counties like maricopa county, but unfortunately that may not really matter.

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earlier this week elon musk reposted a video about kamala harris on x, the social media platform he controls. he captioned it, this is amazing. the video looks like a campaign ad but in a fake a.i. generated voices sounds like terraces calling herself a diversity higher and is mocking president biden. the video is a deep fake and although the original version

was labeled a parody, when elon musk posted the video he did not include that information or a disclaimer telling his 193 million followers it was manipulated. with the election in 97 days, deep fake political ads are not just theoretical problems. senator amy klobuchar today tried to pass bills that would not prevent the posting of parity videos, but according to the senator without love the use of deep fake political ads to influence elections. joining me now is senator amy klobuchar. how is it going, the effort to save our democracy from manipulative a.i.? >> i was listening to your previous segment and thinking about arizona. remember the guys in camo at the polling places and the fact we put in place a secretary of state that obeys the laws because the people in arizona and next-door in nevada, they said no. we are not going to have democracy deniers in office. i think that should give people some hope, but now you go to

the next sophisticated scam and that is that people are going to, with no federal laws in place, attempt to use the fake videos. you are not going to know, as we saw in the voice of joe biden in new hampshire telling people not to vote, that was a robocall. you are not going to know if it is the candidate you love or the candidate you don't like unless rules are put in place and 18 states have done this, including mississippi. texas has banned deep fakes. mississippi and utah at least require disclaimers. so these bills i put in are bipartisan. one with lisa murkowski on the other, ready for this, with josh hawley and susan collins. it is not like there is not republican support for banning deep fakes. we have to make exceptions for parities, but you can still require that those be labeled. so people will know what they

are watching. otherwise as the washington post says, democracy dies in darkness. you will not know what is happening in a very much fear as mitch mcconnell has come out against these bills, despite the bipartisan support, that we will see some really bad, high- tech games played at the expense of candidates on the federal level. >> i got the are you ready for this, josh hawley signed on to this part of your statement there. first of all, what is the argument against it and secondly, time is of the essence, right? there is 97 days to the election and the technology is already out there. >> the argument they made is a speech argument on the first amendment. okay, so why did republican governors in utah, mississippi, texas and florida sign these bills for their state political ads? because they are not against the constitution. time and time again the supreme court has said and upheld the ability to put disclaimers on

ads. this would be prepared with artificial intelligence and would include small cosmetic changes. the other bill to ban the deep fakes with josh hawley and susan collins, michael bennet, that bill goes to the really serious, serious violations, where you literally cannot tell if it is kamala harris or if it is donald trump. where it is a video that looks and sounds like them or a robocall that sounds like them and those should be banned. they are banned in other countries. they should not be allowed and it basically says to the platforms, many of which support this bill, they can say no, this is not okay, we are taking this down. right now ftc, there will be attempts on some of the platforms. they are rightfully putting policies in place to take them down but it is going to be a patchwork and we need to have laws that are as sophisticated as those trying to miss around

with our democracy, which could be foreign interests from russia to china to iran that are messing around and that is why you see bipartisan support for this. i will keep trying back again in the fall. got it through the rules committee. senator schumer, a strong supporter of getting this done. >> we wish you godspeed in that effort. the new york times is reporting that kamala harris among others is being attacked more on platforms with new technologies and in front of bigger audiences than barack obama and hillary clinton were. she is a particular target for this manipulative technology and we have to have a policy in place. >> that said, i have never seen so much pushback in such a good way. from brad sommer, that you and i discussed last week, to the cat lady memes. this is an all-out effort to take this on and to meet them where they are. which in the past has always been difficult and