while she was far ahead of the others racing for silver. it has brought ledecky her eighth career gold-medal which ties the record for the most by any american woman in olympic history. she now has a chance to break that record with two more events to come. i can guarantee i will be watching and i hope you will be too. on that note, i wish you a wonderful night. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thank you for staying up late with me, i will see you tomorrow. until recently the national conversation about the election has been largely focused on white working-class voters.

president biden considered himself the champion of the working and middle class. jd vance introduced himself as the son of appalachia with hillbilly roots. a man that would fight for the workers. the question of how black voters might vote, they are a key segment of the electorate. that question has been unusually open-ended. when present biden was still at the top of the ticket, he was underperforming with black voters. an in-depth survey of nearly 9000 adults published this summer found that one in five lakh men said they plan to vote for trump. in 2016, 13% of lachman voted for him but in 2020, 19% did. part of biden's problem is a candidate was figuring out how

to stop black voters from deserting the democratic party. since kamala harris has become the nominee, the numbers have changed significantly. now the trump campaign is in a tailspin as it tries to figure out whether voters of color, particularly black voters are still in play. it was an ill-advised appearance. he sat down for a question-and- answer session. >> people did not think it was appropriate for you to be here today. you have pushed false claims about rivals from nikki haley to barack obama saying they were not born in the united states which is not true. you have told four congresswomen of color who are american citizens to go back to where they came from.

you have used words like animal and rabid to describe black district attorney's. you attack lakh journalist calling them losers saying the questions are stupid and racist. you have had dinner with a white supremacist at your mar-a- lago resort. my question sir, now that you are asking black supporters to vote for you, why should they trust you after you use language like that. >> first of all you don't think i have ever been asked a question in such a horrible manner. you don't even say hello, how are you and i think it is disgraceful that i came here in good spirit. it is a rude introduction. i don't know exactly why you would do something like that. you were half an hour late. i have too much respect for you to be late. and then you start off when you were 35 minutes late because your equipment wouldn't work in

such a hostile manner, it is a disgrace. >> calling her disgraceful and complaining that they couldn't figure out how to up their equipment, repeatedly calling them late, all complaints that veered into racist tropes about tardiness and competence. that is how that went today. that maybe wasn't the worst part. when he was asked about claims that vice president harris is only on the ticket because she is a black woman, trump responded by questioning racial identity. >> she was always of indian heritage and only promoting indian heritage. i didn't know she was black until a number of years ago when she happened to turn black and now she wants to be known as black. is the indian orsi black teen e she always identified as a black

and. >> i respect either one but she obviously doesn't. she was any and all the way and then she made a and she became a black person. >> to be clear, -- >> someone should look into that when you continue in a hostile and nasty tone. >> that is donald trump openly questioning the racial identity of the first black asian american vice president. while campaigning for attorney general of california and later for president, kamala harris repeatedly told her family story. the story of two immigrants. one from jamaica and the other from india that found opportunity in the united states. on this point, kamala harris has never been unclear. >> i was raised by a proud india mother is a proud african- american woman. >> i was the first african- american and asian-american woman elected in the state as district attorney.

>> her identity as a biracial american in the story of her heritage are two things that a lot of voters can relate to. donald trump suggested to a room full of black people that her blackness was somehow inadequate. in the hours since that debacle , donald trump has doubled down. he has been questioning her blackness and campaign strategy . minutes after leaving he wrote crazy kamala harris is saying she is indian, not black. this is a big deal. stone cold phony. she uses everybody including her racial identity. this evening as crowds gathered in pennsylvania, trump campaign projected an image of harris next to a headline that reads california's kamala harris becomes first indian american u.s. senator. then advisor and lawyer went

after vice president harris directly about her identity. >> i am going to speak to you miss harris. i am a strong woman, a mom, a lawyer and an american. unlike you, i know who my roots are and i know where i come from. >> that is the trump strategy to win lakh voters. that is the strategy. then there is the harris strategy. an hour ago she made remarks at the convention of the sigma gamma rho sorority. one of the nine most prominent black fraternities and

sororities. ones that make up the divine nine. these fraternities and sororities have a century long history of political organizing, mobilizing voters in black communities across the country. this year with kamala harris at the top of the ticket, the presidents of all my groups published this letter, promising to meet this moment with an unprecedented voter registration, education and mobilization campaign. many of the 4 million members joined last week's organizing call for win with black women. a call that raised more than $1.5 million for the harris campaign. many members are also political journalists. it is that community that kamala harris spoke to, just hours after her opponent used the time on stage to insult them. >> it was the same old show. the divisiveness and disrespect. let me say, the american people

deserve better. the american people deserve better. the american people deserve a leader that tells the truth, a leader that does not respond with hostility and anger when confronted with the facts. we deserve a leader that understands that our differences , do not divide us. they are an essential source of strength. >> joining me now is nbc news correspondent who was in the room and the staff writer at the new yorker and dean of columbia school of journalism and president of the civil rights nonprofit, color of change. it is so great to have you all here with me. let me start with you, how did

the strategy of questioning kamala harris play to the journalists? >> good evening. i am interested to see. i was sitting right next to him as we took in this moment. in the room you had journalists who work question already whether or not it was a good use of time to bring donald trump to the convention because he questioned democracy and some say caused the january 6 attack to happen. others were curious about what he would say and wanted to see him answer questions about how he would impact the community and how he would win over people. it started with tension but openmind. when he started attacking rachel scott, someone that is a dear colleague of all of ours, people started to gasp and were stunned by the way he was talking to her even though we

have seen that to a number of other people and black journalists, people were still hoping maybe this time he would have a little bit more decorum. then when he started attacking vice president harris's identity, people started openly and audibly reacting thing that is a lie. as someone who is now covering and has been covering vice president harris for years, i can tell you, the clips you played, talking about her parents, she often tells the story of how they met as activists and how they use to push her in a stroller to go to protests. this is someone who has very much articulated, not only her identity but how the identity and her parents and passion for civil rights and how it impacted her wanting to be a prosecutor and have justice and accountability. there are a lot of people in the room that were angry and wondering whether or not it was the best use of time. i was one of the journalist that was texting people in the campaign

because i wanted to know how they were reacting. i got pat people saying donald trump was unhinged and it was below the belt even for him because of how clear she has been. i have to remind people, not only did she go to howard unversity that she joined the first historically black sorority. she has been someone that has cherished her identity and black identity as well as her indian american identity. it was a sight to behold. i have seen a lot of remarkable things but today really stood out. >> it is something to behold even if you weren't in the room. i wonder, this is a strategy. it wasn't just him mouthing off. it is something they repeated.

they had a projector ready and they had -- questioning blackness. it is as if donald trump doesn't understand the long legacy of racism associated with questioning black s. it is staggering oversight. then should we expect that? >> first, to the point, this is reminiscent of trying out new material. in the time since, harris has become a nominee, you have seen people really struggled to figure out what to say and how to approach it. it seems as if they were trotting out the next thing. let's just say she is not a black person. that portrays a stunning ignorance of african-americans and african-american history.

there is a very long history of those that would be categorized as multinational. frederick douglass for that matter. eartha kitt. we went through an entire list, we would be talking about half of the people in history. that is something that not only is ignorant but also inflammatory. i don't think this works for the audience he was talking to but it was meant to be for an audience that was outside the room and throwing darts and seeing what sticks and things that are insulting, like a comedian saying which lines get the laugh. >> i wonder what you think as a strategy. it is a multipronged strategy. not just overtly questioning her blackness, it is also going after code switching.

this is from last night, talking about kamala harris is different accents that she uses . jb vance in arizona said she put on a southern accent for a georgia audience. trump said the same thing in pennsylvania. this is all part of a portfolio of questioning how black she really is. >> is this what has been missing? >> we end up not talking about the issues. we end up not talking about the challenges the country facing and where we are heading. to the point, part of the strategy is a long-standing republican strategy of republicans going into black spaces, not always to recruit new black voters or supporters but sometimes signaling to white moderates that they are

willing to go and be around the black people and willing to speak to these audiences that may not be supportive. they are not necessarily racist the way they might be getting labeled, based off of policy or practices or who they hire and engage with. this is a long-standing strategy. it is important that underneath the lies and outrageous things, we continue to stay focused on some of the things he says that can possibly break through. in that conversation, he is doing a long-standing attack on immigrants and really trying to speak to the black voters where he is blaming immigration for economic challenges that the community may not be facing and not talking about the role of corporations and trump tax cuts. these have led to the ways in

which the economy may not be producing and the work that has to be done. we have to do the work to make sure people understand, when those cuts expire, we want kamala harris at the table to negotiate and push forward into the work. is also rich to have the vice presidential nominee follow this up, given that he has biracial children. it is sick that he would play along with this as someone that wants to be a good father and talks about being a good family man that he would allow this three-time cheater. someone with five children by three women to get up and put him in this position to make attacks and level attacks that would attack his own family.

>> as a mixed race person myself, you can be two things at once and there are a lot of us who wonders and that. donald trump is not one of them. there is a lot more to talk about. we are going to take a quick break. please hang with me. coming up, donald trump calls himself a victim of a two- tiered justice system. we will have more on the disastrous appearance coming up next. later, the country was treated to a split screen of how two campaigns are using two very different strategies. we are going to break it all down with the man behind one of the most successful candidates these in recent history. in rec.

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this afternoon, donald trump was asked if he would be willing to take a cognitive test and said his opponent, kamala harris, is the de facto nominee should do one as well. >> she felt her law exam so maybe she wouldn't pass the cognitive test. i'm just giving the facts. she did not pass the bar exam and she didn't think she would and didn't think she ever would. i don't know what happened.

maybe she passed. let me first go to you, the insinuation that kamala harris didn't pass the bar, she of course did. the obsession with barack obama's grade transcripts from occidental college and the fact that donald trump himself told his lawyer to threaten all of the schools not to release his own grades to the media. this preoccupation with black achievement or in donald trump's eyes black underachievement, what does that tell you? >> it is of a piece where we saw the same thing with the the birth tourism saying barack obama was not eligible to vote in the election he won and he pivoted from matt to demanding that he see his transcripts at

occidental and columbia. believing that he was illegitimate but refusing to subject himself to the same scrutiny. this is not, and now we see the template attempting to deploy against kamala harris. she would not be eligible to practice law much less become the attorney general of california without having passed the bar. it is like a comedian trying out material. maybe there are people that don't know that you have to pass the bar to become attorney general or to practice law. it is more that same strategy. >> it is undermining and questioning the competence of prominent black women. the association of black journalists repeatedly, he questioned whether they knew

how to use equipment or whether they made him late. whether they were nastier questions were rude. that follows the pattern of trump questioning the intelligence and motivation of plenty of other journalists. i want to play a bit of a montage of trumps history. >> i find it interesting because you do talk about prosecutors that are prosecuting you. why doesn't that skepticism apply to law enforcement? >> that is not actually the clip i was talking about. you have been victim to donald trump. i believe he called you a racist questioner. he called abby phillip a stupid question or. here we have the sound collets play it.

>> what a stupid question that is. what a stupid question. you ask a lot of stupid questions. >> you called yourself a nationalist and some people saw that as white nationalist. >> that is a racist question >> that is a racist question. i know you have it written down but let me tell you, that is a racist question. >> i watch her get up, talk about someone that is a loser. she doesn't know what she is doing. she is very nasty. >> can you talk about your experience in the context of that? >> i respect that question. first, i find myself as i know they do, not a victim. we get truth out of donald trump.

that was the midterms where he did not have the gains that he wanted to have and democrats had a lot of success. i was questioning him about the idea that he was playing footsie with white supremacist spirit that is the cycle were at one point he had an ad that was deemed too prejudice to play on fox because he was talking about the border and the caravans and that network which has a history and people questioning whether or not they are also prejudice. what you see here is black women in particular, black women in particular trying to get answers and being at work, doing their work and being met with tension and insults. at the end of the day, i know, i am focused on getting answers for the people. that is why my friend abby in april became journalists. if we zoom out, let's think about the context.

for the last few weeks, donald trump was not the lead story, even when he almost got assassinated, that was a big story. we covered it for a few days and then it went back to the fact that president biden had an uncertain future as the nominee and ultimately drop out and endorsed vice president harris. ever since that, all you have been seeing is vice president harris the enthusiasm in the energy. she has block out donald trump's ability to take over the news cycle. what you see is us having to go back to a cycle where we talk about trump up the top. talking to republicans they were worried about how they would counter the positive stories how kamala harris had 10,000 people dancing and flag surfing and being so happy about the fact that they were going to the polls. megan thee stallion saying we're going to the polls for

vice president harris. there was all this energy and here is donald trump wrestling back the new cycle. >> it is a good point. trump hasn't been the center and he has thrown himself back into it today. i was very interested to hear how he responded tonight at the rally. she basically said it is the same story. we need someone that will not divide us. what did you make of that response and strategy to not take up the division that donald trump would like to -- >> i don't think she should take the bait. we have seen this over and over. he has a ceiling about the number of people that will come on board with the message. it is an opportunity for her to take a hold of this unprecedented energy that we are seeing.

weeks ago, it was hard to get people to volunteer and to engage in the cycle. it was hard to get people excited and hard for so many organizations to be able to muster up the energy to walk into the cycle and feel like we would have the foot soldiers that would engage in to be able to fight back against what we know would be disinformation fueled by social media. it is an uphill battle in so many ways. now this new level of energy is an opportunity for vice president harris to really speak to the public. about what she will do in the four years if elect did. also an opportunity to translate the energy into action to get people out and engage. what we are seeing is a lot of flailing. that everyone should recognize, he is a big budget hollywood movie with bombs and distractions and plot twists. often times there is a piece of the public that will forgive a big budget movie when it

doesn't line up. we can't get into arguing about what doesn't were does make sense, we have to play an alternative vision of the future. a future where more people have an opportunity and for folks to recognize, in these big questions, do we want someone like donald trump that's going to be on the other side, arguing with himself were arguing about things that people don't care about or do we want someone that will be serious enough that we can have on the other side we can hold accountable and push on the issues that actually matter. that is why the color of change packed was so proud to endorsed vice president harris and excited that we are seeing unprecedented numbers of volunteers willing to show up and engage. that is what we need to focus

on and we need to translate that into energy and engagement. >> i know rosato is telling us not to get into the down and dirty. that is a stellar organization. helping get professional development and sources. this organization is doing the work. they said we weren't able to put together an event that the sound was bad. that wasn't happening. i could hear him clearly. i want to also say they were doing their best to put on an event that didn't have some of those issues. >> i could hear perfectly fine. >> thank you for joining me i appreciate it. start coming up, trump continues to use the term black jobs. today he attempted to define it. what are lakh voters and everyone else to make of it. later, reporting on election deniers working as local

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strategies that we saw play out today with donald trump speaking to the association of black journalists and kamala harris addressing sigma gamma row one of the nine most prominent black fraternities and sororities that make up what is known as the divine mind. joining me now is the campaign manager for bernie sanders in 2020 and founder and director of -- . thank you for being with me. i think today was such an interesting study and how the campaigns are operating. i wonder what you make of that strategy to go to the high profile conference in the harris campaign think nothing of the editorial and the strategy to go down and talk directly with a network of black sorority women and organizers who have a proven record of mobilizing voters in previous cycles.

>> she is consolidating the basin firing people out and spending time jumping from event to event. next week she is going to 7 battleground states. she is on fire and trying to build the energy. she was right on that he wants to get the microphone back in his hands. one of the tactics we have known , he psychologically trolls his opponent when he feels like it left his hand. here comes haley and attacks on jeb bush if you remember in marco rubio. all of the things he laid at the feet of prior people to try and psychologically troll them and control the narrative. what it does is try to distract the opponent. vice president harris is not going to get distracted. people want to see the job and say i know the messages. but we see over and over is freedom freedom to control your

body and thrive in the economy and prosecutor. i'm a tough prosecutor that will bring accountability and make things happen. the more she does that and introduces herself to people that will come online and dial into this, that is what they need to hear. >> as an organizing strategy, it looks pretty clearly. the trump campaign is not interested in grassroots doorknocking or shoe leather campaigning. that doesn't feel like the strategy the democrats are pursuing. this is a network of people who are already in community with one another and talking to one another in a real fashion as opposed of making hay among an assembled group of journalists that don't have any particular connection to trump or the campaign. >> i am confident that the democrats will have a strong game and all the battleground states and beyond to turn out

the vote. i will caution this. trump has a different tactic and always has. he relies on social media not classic organizing. we hear there is a super pack coming online to try and fill in the gaps for him to do the organizing. i want all of our friends to hear this. donald trump has been in two elections. and each of them he outperformed the number of votes that people thought he was going to get. we shouldn't fool ourselves into thinking that somehow we are investing in, people will not turn out. he has a high level of loyalty. these rallies and crowds he generates are organizing strategies. i would go into election day assuming that whatever the polls are, he is going to outperform because that is the track record. our performance and turnout will swamp his.

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yesterday he lost his primary for re-election in the republican who will take his place on the ticket is this guy, arizona state representative justin heap, who will not give a straight answer to this very important question, "did donald trump won the presidential election in 2020 in arizona? >> look at another seems to be the only person people want to ask. >> it's the last question i've asked you. >> as been asked this question over and over again. i'm not interested in discussing what is happened. i'm an attorney. i don't make statements that i don't know if i can prove. >> that is not the answer you want from the person who may be overseeing your elections. the good news is that stephen richer will still be on the job through january of next year so at least this next election in

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earlier this week elon musk reposted a video about kamala harris on x. he captioned it, "this is amazing." the video looks like a kamala harris campaign up and in a fake ai-generated voice it sounds like harris is calling herself a diversity hire and that she is mocking president biden. the video is a deep fake and although the original version of it was labeled a parity, when elon musk reposted the video, he did not include that information, or a disclaimer telling his 193 million followers that it was unaffiliated. with the 2024 election happening in 97 days, deep fake political ads are not just

theoretical problems. senator amy klobuchar today tried to pass a pair of bills that would not prevent the posting of parity videos but according to the senator, what outlawed the use of defect political ads to influence elections. how is it going, the effort to save our democracy from manipulative ai. >> well, i was listening to a previous segment and thinking about arizona, the guys in camo at the polling places. the people of arizona and the people next door in nevada, they said no, you know, we are not going to have democracy deniers in office, so i think that should give some people hope, but now you go to the next sophisticated scam, and that is that people are going to, with no federal laws in place, attempt to use deep fake videos. you are not going to know, as we saw in the voice of joe

biden in new hampshire telling people not to vote, that was a robocall. you're not going to know if it is the candidate you love or the candidate you don't like, some rules are put in place, and 18 states have done this including mississippi. texas has band defects. mississippi and utah have the least required -- at least required disclaimers so these two bills i have put in [ inaudible ] so it's not like there is not republican support for many these defects. we have to make exceptions for parities, but you can still require that those be labeled so people will know what they're watching. otherwise, as the washington post says, democracy dies in the darkness. you are not going to know what is happening in a very much fear, as mitch mcconnell has come up against both these bills despite the bipartisan support, that we are going to see some really bad, high-tech

games played at the expense of candidates on the federal level. >> i got the you already for this josh hawley signed on the part of your statement there. given the republican interest in passing something like this first of all, what is the argument against it, and secondly, time is of the essence. there are 97 days to the election and this technology is already out there. >> the argument they made was a speech argument on first amendment. okay, so then why did republican governors in utah and in mississippi and in texas and in florida sign these bills for their state political ads? because they are not against the constitution. time and time again, the supreme court has said and upheld the ability to put disclaimers on ads. this would be prepared for with artificial intelligence and would include small, cosmetic changes. the other to band defects with josh hawley and susan collins with chris collins, michael bennet, that bill goes to the really serious violations where you literally cannot tell if it

is kamala harris or if it is donald trump, where it is a video that looks and sounds like them, or a robocall that sounds like them and those just should be banned. there band and other countries. they should not be allowed, and it basically says to the platforms, many of which support this bill, they can say no, this is not okay. we are taking this down, and right now fec, fdc, there will be some attempt, some of the platforms are rightfully putting policies in place to take them down, but it's going to be a patchwork and what we need is to have laws that are sophisticated as those that are trying to mess around with our democracy which can also be foreign interests from russia to china to iran, that are messing around and that is why you see bipartisan support for this, so i'm going to keep trying back again in the fall.

>> well, we wish you godspeed in that effort. the new york times is reporting that kamala harris, among others, is being attacked more on platforms with the new technologies and in front of bigger audiences than barack obama and hillary clinton were. she is a particular target for this manipulative technology and we have to have policy in place. >> that being said, i've never seen so much for -- pushback in such a good way from brett summer that you and i discussed last week to the cat lady means, this is an all-out effort to take this on and to meet them where they are, which in the past, was always difficult and i feel really good about this all-out effort to take this on. >> we will take the heavy dose of optimism. thank you. that is our show tonight. no, time for the last word with