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welcome back to "the weekend." donald trump is now defending his racist attack against vice president kamala harris after he questioned her racial identity at the national association of black journalists convention this week. the ex-president said harris, quote, turned black when it was politically expedient. that is a lie. >> she was always of indian heritage and she was only promoting indian heritage. i did not know she was black
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until a number of years ago when she happened to turn black and now she wants to be known as black. so i don't know. she indian or she black? >> joining us now is eddie glaude. and nina jankowicz, a disinformation expert and author of how to lose the information more per welcome to you both. simone, she got the head look. i'm telling you. >> comes to chill trying to recut the black part. i'm feeling a little i don't know, greek today or maybe a little asian or, you know. what do you say? >> i feel though and professor, correct me if i'm wrong, but i feel as though donald trump was being very intentional and doing something quite sinister. first, he is essentially, who
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is donald trump to tell anyone who they are? let alone the current vice president of the united states of america. that is a first part but i think the second part, he was trafficking in something that is very sinister for this underbelly within i think part of the black community to say, some people are not black enough. donald trump obviously overheard a community conversation somewhere and thought this was an effective tool to inject into the race and this wasn't just for him to give himself back in the middle of the conversation. i think he was intentionally trying to give a dog whistle to people who say, maybe the vice president is not what they would call a foundational black american or an american descendent of slaves, therefore this is not the black president you all think you will be electing. it is sinister but it is very intentional and i think i know -- he knows what he is doing. what say you? >> tend to agree. it's great to be back on "the weekend." i think that's absolutely right
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on certain level. those are -- they are questioning whether or not she is black or not. and i think at the heart of that argument and the heart of what donald trump is doing is a basic misunderstanding. trump is a little bit more sinister but there is this understanding of race that is very dodgy goes back to the one drop rule. there is a conflation here of racial hierarchy and ethnicity and in so many ways, i want to say that this is a distraction and reveals not only how insidious donald trump is but how he is. this is a clown show. also in many ways. i don't want the campaign to get caught up in it. i want the campaign to continue to pursue its message. we are not going back. we are going forward. we don't want to go back to that mess but those of us who after dresses have to address it with the seriousness of history and the seriousness of
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our moment. i think you're absolutely right. is trying to appeal to those people. he absolutely is. >> you have this response from the vice president then i will get a thought from you on the other side. >> it was the same old show. the divisiveness and the disrespect and let me just say the american people deserve better. the american people deserve better. >> you are someone who knows the space very well put this disinformation space to symone's point, there was a lot of disinformation that was leveled up there not just infused with racism, but the vice president to eddie's point, rose above it and try to refocus her messaging, if you will, going forward not going back.
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talk to us about the difficulty of that when you've got an asymmetrical player like a donald trump who is everything everywhere all at once and is stupid and is crazy. up against someone who is trying to run a somewhat linear forward moving focused effort to move the country off of the stuff that we have been stuck in for magda and others who would build building up this corrosive narrative around race and ethnicity, et cetera, over the last few years. >> as a campaign, it is difficult to respond to attacks like that because they are so ludicrous and you don't want to give them airtime and that is why it is important we are having these discussions and calling these lights up for what they are. i think it interesting in the way the campaign has reclaimed some of these narratives elevating vice president kamala harris as an authentic woman in politics which is really difficult to be.
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also, one point that resonate with me, this is not just a dog whistle parts of the back -- black community but it indicates to them that this behavior is okay coming from the former president himself. it will be difficult to put that genie back in the bottle and why it is so important we call this out and say enough is enough this is and how we treat women in america. >> you know, as nina was speaking and eddie said it was a distraction, i went to the toni morrison coast. he once said, the function, of racism is distraction. it keeps you from doing your work and keeps you explaining over and over again your reason for being and somebody says you have no language and you spent 20 years think that you do. if your head is not shaped properly you have people working on the fact that his peers someone says you have no
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heart print up no kingdom so you dredge that up none of this is necessary. there will always be one more thing. which is why i think the campaign is not going to resign. -- respond. but much was made about his appearance at the conference and we could have a conversation of how that came to be. but this was some of the most serious questioning that donald trump has endured frankly on the record live in the last year, i would argue. this was -- rachel squat -- rachel's got it's important voters see and hear donald trump in his own words. yes, he is back in the news and everyone was like he's trying to reclaim the narrative and did it on purpose but republicans are proud of what they saw on the stage.
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people supportive of donald trump was saying this is a dumpster fire but now we have the clip of donald trump in his own words and it makes it harder for people to be desensitized to he actually is. and what is actually at stake this november. >> wright, when he has a plank on his home feels he looks small and doesn't know how he looks how to play the game. his incoherence is in the forefront and his inability to answer questions directly and tell the truth and marshall fact that i think rachel scott and the others helped him to account but i think toni morrison is right in this regard. there is an expense to what we want to pull him out of his comfort zone so people can see who is without all the pomp and circumstance and all the glitter and glamour as it were. we went to see him for who he is but at the same time we don't want to diminish ourselves in the face of that nonsense. there is something, how can i put this, at some point in our
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lives were going to have to tell these kinds of folks to get the hell out of our faces. we don't want to hear this. next. move on. stop playing games. right? to tell them the truth because i think in some ways it takes two to dance. he can come in and do his little stick and we participate. no. we don't want to participate in this anymore and i think it's important as we assert ourselves moving forward that we let the folks who hold the positions no that we are not going to tolerated in one of the ways will be a quick -- >> it makes a lot of sense, eddie. nina, i think that is part of the challenge. from your own work in the space and trying to understand how the disinformation works. how do people find the energy to toni morrison's very eloquent point that those distractions are what you are trying at --
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always fighting up against her to eddie's point, how will they dismiss those individuals? i look at the amount of time barack obama spent trying to prove that he was born in america. it just, to me, it was that, dude, tell this guy to go to and be present. but we get trapped in that space trying, particularly as african americans, trying to prove we belong here. we have been here. this is who we are. this is our story. against the kind of crap we saw take place on that stage with donald trump filibustering, blustering, making a lot of noise signifying nothing. >> i think with harris they had been really smart to pivot to her record. this is a woman who has almost a 30 year record of public
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service that has met with president xi jinping, present zelenskyy six times, she traveled to 20 countries as vice president led the policy on a.i. and other things. let's put that in comparison with donald trump who has four years of a record of public service which he may or may not have committed crimes right i think that is a stark contrast. and i love how the vice president challenged former president donald trump to that debate. you want to say these things, say it to my face. that is the ultimate show of strength. >> she did. she said, say it to my face. i thought, lord, lord, lord. nina jankowicz, thank you. eddie, will you stick around. we went to get into donald trump's defense of jd vance's childless cat lady comments. this is "the weekend" on msnbc.
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wonder what you might have missed this week due to trump's attack on harris, he also defended jd vance's belief about families who cannot or choose not to have children. take a listen. >> he made a statement having to do with families but that doesn't mean the people that aren't a member of a big and beautiful family with 400 children around and everything else, it doesn't mean that a person doesn't have -- is not
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against anything that he loves family. >> folks should note that in the past, jd vance has said americans without kid should have their vote count less and advocated for governments forcing women to carry pregnancies to term. joining us now to discuss is jessica mackler, the president of emily's list and an eagle out his back. can i note that he was also -- he was also asked about this. at the nabj conversation. there he seemed very defensive and said, you'll have to ask him but my reading is he went to double down on what he saw in that clip. it seems to me that this is rattling donald trump a little bit but the comment that jd vance had are concerning and he has quadrupled down on them. he said he has nothing against cats. what about the childless women?
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>> you really touched on it. he made this comment and then apologized to cats. what you said is right. it is a reflection of where did where jd vance has been for many years. if you look over the last years he has said it many times. he said we should go to war against childless adults. but it's speak to this weird but also insidious worldview where they believe that there is one specific way to be in society and society should look very specific and that the only option and then the consequence is we see policies like the way they eradicated the reproductive freedom and they are all about control and will not stop until they have full control of when, how and if we have children. that is the future they are articulating for voters in america. >> the thing that -- the thing i find most fascinating is witnessing the number of republican men who seemingly have a problem with their own
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masculinity. that is at the end of this is all about. this is about a projection of their own self view. i give you josh hawley. i give you jd vance. i also want to give you how governor tim walz responded on a dad for, call this past wednesday. to a lot of this hyped up crazy approach to women and families. >> i think that is what you see that is just so terrifying about these guys like vance and trump. they've got their vision of what a family looks like and i will defend him to have that, but just don't tell me what my family looks like. i keep talking about the bold of small towns. it's mine your own business and stay out of our business. it gets worse than that though. the policy that they put in place that undermine family.
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>> that is it at the end of the day. it's my vision of what a family is undermined your vision of how your family is living out its history and its future. what do you think? >> i'm going to answer on all fronts. i think you're absolutely right. there is a kind of production of a deep lee troubled sense of masculinity that is always on display in these discussions. deeply troubling because it is rooted in a patriarchy that has tangible concrete consequences for women. that is the first in the second thing is governor walt is absolutely right. that libertarian response to this private lights of folk has some traction. it can actually appeal to a whole cross-section of americans. the last part is this. we have to dive deeper. what is the etiology and forming the expansion of family.
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is he talking about brown folk? or black folk or folk or this tied to the idea of great replacement? is it the idea that white people are losing ground and white women need to have my babies. we know this had been part of the replacement theory for a long time. that's all we need to do. think about mantis conversation with tucker carlson. i think if we dig down deeper we know that patriarchy's have worked on the crisis of masculinity as it were and we know there is an ideology around whiteness and women at work, too. let me say this in light of the last section. the last segment. i wish kamala harris would hit him and just walk off the stage. >> i was just having words with the vp and i don't think you will ever -- she will let you know . she's like, you will
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understand this is a serious matter. >> that's a good fantasy. i like that one. >> jessica, the professor makes an excellent point. this is why i say, i believe jd vance is a true believer. he believes what he is saying and might not believe in trump but he definitely believes in parts of trumpism and what trump represents which is i think how we found himself on the ticket. his dribbling and quadrupling down on what he said about women and family but meanwhile he votes for that -- there is a whole undercurrent of elected officials and not elected officials in this country who believe women have warmth and the ability to children because that is what they are supposed to do. if they are not doing that,
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they are somehow in direct opposition to their entire existence. it's a real undercurrent and i know you all are the ones who are helping pro-choice democratic women across the country. >> absolutely. this is something we have seen for years but in particular when you look at where we were leading into the fall of the dobbs decision and this is the start that they said that in the decision. this is a start of them taking control of every facet of our lives. we look at things like project 2025 agenda and what donald trump and jd vance articulating and what they went to see in the future, this is the future they see for us. where women's lives are controlled and we do not get to make decisions about our healthcare, our lives, our bodies and our future but that's a stark contrast to what we are seeing from vice president kamala harris. i think that is one of the reasons that we are seeing this electric energy around her campaign right now because when
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voters looked at her especially women voters, they are seeing a candidate who is articulating a future in which we move forward and everyone can thrive and in which we have freedom and we restore the rights we lost. that is why they are rallying and that is a conversation and choice we need to put in front of voters between now and election day. >> we've got about a minute i want to have you take us out on a note that will make us think and it goes to the heart of what you said before about we have to dig deeper. do we have the capacity as citizens right now to do that? are we just so taken up by this? this defines our life? talk a little bit about he rigged the -- we dig deeper to get what we are talking about? >> it's hard. we live in an environment where performance and spectacle overrun much of what we do. we live at the surface of things, quick, short clickbait.
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how we gather information and not necessarily informed citizens engage in honest deliberation and engage in self- governance. what do we have to do? you and i, all of us, have to create locations for people to die deeper. that is to just ask the harder question and make us slow down a little bit. so we can think about this. i said something about jd vance and the great replacement theory but then they will say, his children are around children. that doesn't make any sense. so let's dig deeper. part of what we have to do is slow us down so we can think about the tropes that are being circulated and how we are being moved about by them. it's hard in a quick society but that is what we must do. >> all right. thank you.
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the new jobs report shows growth slowing down significantly in july with u.s. adding just 114,000 jobs and the unemployment rate climbing to or .3%. here's vice president harris this week just before the report came out speaking at a rally in atlanta. >> because we hear all know when our middle-class is strong , america is strong. to keep our middle-class strong , families need relief from the high cost of living so that they have a chance not just to get by, but to get ahead. >> joining us now is jeffrey
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sonnenfeld, the senior associate dean leadership studies that the yale school of management. welcome. >> thank you for having me. >> good to see you. let's talk the economy because frankly if you look at what voters's cup concerns are whether black voters, latino voters, young voters, the economy ranks at the top. when you talk about the economy they are talking about housing, prices being high and axios had this piece about harris's agenda. they ride that vice president harris plans to finish by the progressive agenda including pushing for $2 trillion to establish universal pre-k education and improve elderly care and childcare as well as a permanent tax credit, tax cut for working-class families. her and things are to go further than biden's attempt to raise the taxes to 28% according to people familiar
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with it. i don't know if she still feels the same way right now but talk to us about the impact of the harris economic agenda going forward. >> i would love to. this show is so great. everything you've talked about i would love to talk about and the economy is the one thing you did not yet talk about. so i will discipline myself to focus on that because the debate debacle that president biden had perhaps you should blame me for some of it because i was pumping into the debate prep team too much in the way of statistics. there is a lot of good news. as you pointed out, the emphasis on education which they could do more of an healthcare which is done fabulously but more could be done on helping working parents on how think they are still more to do. but there is so much good news that they were apologizing for
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that, yes, unemployment has creeped up about 4.1%, but has been since bonanza was the number one show on tv. that is when we saw the other people level this low. this is still considered full employment. there is not much place you can go when you are roughly in the vicinity of 4% that is full employment because people are transitioning jobs and things like that. we have seen inflation fall. many great economists say we have to have massive unemployment to bring inflation down, but the biden/harris administration knew that wasn't true and in fact inflation has fallen to roughly 3.7%. there are some areas where it is high like we've had this horrible flu go through where we lost one third of our egg production so that is up. there is a bit of a monopoly in the bread production area because wheat has been stable but corn has gone down.
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there is something weird happening and i think the antitrust approach that harris would look at would take a look at what's happening in the baked goods area. there are some areas that need attention at such good news. the world bank said 80% of their growth forecast of the global economy is driven by the u.s. growth and the biden/harris administration has cut the deficit by a third. it's sort three times >> the news feels too good but, michael, the news is good, i will be clear for the economic outlook from the work that president biden and vice president kamala harris have done to bring the economy back from the brink after the pandemic, a global pandemic, is remarkable. i do think however if you talk to folks out there the rent is still high and is it possible to buy a house even if you -- we bought a house and i feel broke. and i make a lot of money. jeffrey talked about the eggs and whatnot.
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folks don't know that the hens got sick and that is why there not enough eggs. i don't know, michael. i don't know. >> go ahead. >> on housing, you are exactly right. it is usually frustrating. we have an independent fed even though trump , an independent federal reserve and that monetary policy the president has no control over and they jacked up interest rates way too high and are too slow and bring them back down. that has been a problem in terms of housing. frankly they should be cutting it right now with the data michael opened with on unemployment. instead of going on vacation and waiting until soup number, they should have cut the interest rate that now and that would slow -- address the housing issue. i am on the board of -- if we could cut that interest-rate
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this is one of those post-covid ripple effects that is taking too long to correct. >> why then, haven't the fed recognized the point you just made an they were so, i think, heavy-handed and jacking up the interest rates the way they did. but now they seem to be taking, well, we will just wait, we will just wait, we will just wait approach. that has one impact as we know but the other is in the job market itself. just on the numbers. people wake up and hear 114,000 jobs created last month and that is a negative because the expectation was more. but they don't talk about the fact that in the prior report, the expectation was exceeded. so if there is this resettling in our economy to symone's
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point, a lot of folks don't know that we lost a whole lot of chicken therefore the price of eggs will go up. but at the same time, there are policies that the fed can do to help ease the landing for a lot of consumers out there. >> i think putting pressure on the fed, we have to be polite or not partisan about it but i think the harris administration would address that because what you are asking -- people forget , our memories are short, how devastating the economy was that was handed to the biden/harris administration due to the mishandling of covid. it was the greatest recession, the deepest recession, in the post-world war ii era. when everything came back
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onstream, we had these huge supply-chain problems which led to inflation and distribution problems and to address that the federal reserve went bonkers. they thought by raising interest rates that would fix the inflation problem. it was a supply-chain structural issue. too many economists thought we have to cut employment by raising interest rates so high and that is something which hasn't worked since the 1960s. a nonsensical curve that trading off employment with -- we have proven you can do good and do well at the same time. it's just taking a while to work through. it is a great economy and i think all of the vice president candidates, some of them have the best grip as an executive in a major -- administrator is josh shapiro. the -- the rumor is he is the odds on favorite.
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he works across sectors and doesn't fall into this trap of business versus other constituencies. hardly any major business leaders supporting the trump administration. this is a break and we have seen -- >> donald trump will try to get to the billionaires. give me the money and i will do what you want. michael did you hear jeffrey putting his little hat in the for governor shapiro. everyone is waiting for the veepstakes. we will be watching. jeffrey, we have to have you back. this was fun. >> thank you, jeffrey. >> thank you for next, era new concerns from the united states and the ramp up -- in the middle east following the assassination of a high-level hamas leader. this is a move that could put cease-fire talks in jeopardy. we will get into it next on "the weekend."
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the u.s. is preparing to send more combat aircraft and worship to the middle east to increase support for the defense of israel and ensure the united states is prepared to respond to various contingencies. what are those contingencies? u.s. leaders are concerned about escalating violence in the region following recent attacks by israel on hamas and hezbollah leaders. which triggered threats of retaliation. joining us now to discuss is aaron david miller, for negotiator and endowment fellow. and jalina porter is back with us. again, deputy spokesperson. >> david, i want to focus on the aftereffect of all of this. the impact of what we saw happening. what type of retaliation from
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iran do you think the u.s. and israel should be repaired for or thinking about? >> thank you for having me. april 13th, they lost 350 high trajectory weapons at israel and with little impact. they did some interception with drones, but this time given the fact that the iranians were unbelievably humiliated and vulnerable is exposed by the fact that haniyeh was killed by a remotely controlled bomb that was placed in a headquarters two months before the strike, iranians are looking for a way to directly hit israel either an infrastructure target or military base. and it will probably be a coordinated response including
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the houthis, hezbollah and for the u.s., investigation of iranian missile strikes against u.s. forces. in iraq and syria. whether they will be able to do all this, the problem is if they are to successful the biden administration will have no capacity to influence israel's response and if that happens, we could be pushed to something in the middle east has never experience. which is the major sustained war. involving syria, lebanon, iraq, israel, lebanon sorry iran and -- >> this is such, i would argue, a critical time. jalina, what struck me is i think i was on air when we got the news when it was first reported that a senior hamas leader was killed in toronto and we did not know
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at the time but we found out hours later that senior person was also one of the mastermind behind the october 7th attack but one of the lead negotiators in the cease-fire talks for him off. the lead negotiator for hamas. i asked the question yesterday, how are cease-fire talks going to continue when hamas' lead negotiator was just killed? now we know that some talks are resuming in cairo at the -- after the urging of -- on behalf of the president and state department officials. getting people back to the table because the cease-fire deal is important. talk about the state department's role while all this is happening, the powder cake, if you will, that aaron david miller just laid out for us. it is literally a very fragile situation yet the state department officials and
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national security council folks are pushing for the cease-fire talks to continue and hopefully come to a resolution. >> you are absolutely right. officials, president biden, we've heard from john kirby at the white house, everyone is pushing for the cease-fire to continue and the escalation of the conflict. obviously, it is a serious situation and a very icky situation. the state department has updated travel advisory for american citizens in lebanon because of the conflict. they basically said, this is a level 4 which is a red flag so do not travel and make sure if you are there you need to get out. at the end of the day and something i say often it two things can be true at one time and while this is geopolitical risk and conflicts especially in the middle east, what we need to focus on and what president biden has continued to underscore is make sure we
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de-escalate this conflict and secure a cease-fire there and get the hostage back home. >> you touched on an aspect of this that i think is a very important thread running through the consequences of the assassination tying it back to the relationship between the u.s. and israel. axios notes that the president's frustration with prime minister netanyahu noting that they feel netanyahu kept biden in the dark over his plans to carry out the assassination after leaving the impression that week that he was attentive to the request to focus on getting a god the deal done. you had netanyahu standing in the well of the congress basically giving a maga style speech around how he wants to prosecute the war with hamas and you have the assassinations. how does the administration to the point that you made in your opening comment, pivoted and
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still hold the negotiations together when seemingly at least its partner in israel may have other plans? >> i know -- he's not the key decision-maker . the architect of the -- probably surrounded by hostages but the reality here we need to face up to. i went to trivialize the requirements, but the reality is you have an israeli prime minister who's organizing his prime directive is to stay in -- he's on trial in district court and is due to testify in december but if he loses power he is either faced with a possible conviction or alternatively a plea deal which would drive him out of politics. his priorities right now don't
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accord and are not a coincidence with ours. continuation of the work, not necessarily a full-scale massive regional war between -- but a continuation of the war and the successes and the fact that the israelis have demonstrated in a matter of 48 hours these extraordinarily pinpointed operationally brilliant strikes. it's an effort to re-political -- and restore israel's deterrence. so, he is not on the same page as a present. the real question is if the iranians respond and their response is reasonable, the u.s. probably, i think biden feels to be much tougher, maybe he can
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shape the response and push the israelis back to cease-fire negotiations but in my 20 plus years of negotiating, negotiations usually have two speeds. slow and slower. that is a tragedy for the people in gaza and the israelis that want and deserve security. >> so well said. aaron david miller, jalina porter, thank you so much. much more on "the weekend" ahead, folks. stay with us.
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breaking moments ago, from her attorney general eric holder just arrived at the vice president's residence in washington, d.c. to come to expect harris to meet in person this weekend with some of the top contenders to join her on the ticket. symone, the process is whittling down and getting close. the folks who got the sheets of paper and the files are now talking with the vice president. >> let me say something. okay. you had to pull up to the vps house before. we know where it is. now, it seems to me that if folks did not want people to know that the former ag was going there today, we would not have known that he was going to the naval -- naval observatory.
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first of all, it's smart on the harris campaign. they are giving us a little something. so, i think to me this means because it was eric holder that led the vetting process that if he has some information may be it is eric holder that knows the front and back of the vetting and he can give her good counsel as she is whittling down on the decision. >> i think the decision is made. i think there's a confirmation. >> i don't think so. >> i think i -- i think she knows who she wants. having been in that position of having to try to select a second person who turned out to be the second person, i know how the process works. i think she knows. >> will, i will just say, you have "velshi" coming up next,
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