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evening. will trump debate harris? we know she is willing, and an update on rising tensions in the middle east. the u.s. has bolstered its military presence given fears of a possible retaliatory strike from iran on israel. i am sam stein in for ayman mohyeldin. let's do it. all right. donald trump took to the stage tonight at the georgia state university convocation center, the exact same venue where his rival, vice president, harris, held a rally earlier this week. >> we are going to defeat crazy

kamala. you know there's about 19 different ways of saying it. she only likes three. >> very substantive. for nearly two weeks we have watch the former president and his surrogates go on offense against harris and results have been at times cringe worthy. >> she is a weird person. >> it reminds me of there was this bag that a very famous designer designed that was a trash bag. they sold this thing for $2000 thinking people would buy it. it's a similar situation with kamala harris. >> she got rid of the left. that laugh that is the laugh of a crazy person. >> will, republicans have struggled to find a cohesive line of attack against the presumptive democratic nominee. there was one area they wanted to avoid and that was her racial identity.

house gop leaders urged colleagues not to go after harris for race and gender, instead to focus on her policies. if they were hoping their nominee would here to the same message we all saw what happened last week. trump just could not help himself. maybe he did not want to. the national association of black journalists convention on wednesday he returned to the same strategy he has deployed throughout his career. >> indian heritage and she was only promoting indian heritage. i didn't know she was black until a number of years ago when she happened to turn black and now she wants to be known as black so i don't know. is she indian or asian black? >> despite being criticized for those remarks, trump only has upped his attacks after the event, going after harris' identity again and falsely claiming that she is not black on his site, truth social. some republicans are starting to panic, calling trump's

remarks quote, awful. one house gop lawmaker told axe's quote, that was not a demonstration of how to win over undecided voters. they spend all their efforts, republicans and trumps own campaign managers have failed to save the nominee from his own worst impulses and it is hurting their messaging efforts. the truck machine this week began a multimillion dollar tv advertising blitz hammering harris for her record on the borders, an issue they can see is a winner for the campaign but trumps racial attacks against harris overshadowed it. if they were hoping trump would change and run a more sophisticated or disciplined campaign this time around or at least since the assassination attempt on his life, this week revealed the unhinged, chaotic trump we've always known is here to stay as washington post columnist dana milbank put it, quote, the trauma caused by the probably penetrative defense --

jd vance's running mate have had a terrible effect on trump causing him to revert to being himself. with that, we are joined by msnbc political analyst, chair of the department of african- american studies at princeton, and wilson, cofounder of the book, "running against the devil. " and aisha mills, democratic strategist. thank you so much for joining on the saturday evening. let's talk about these attacks by trump on harris' race and identity despite this perceived backlash that he is getting, the disapproval of his own party, he is still doing it. we have seen it again tonight. why? is this just as impulse or

is there something more to it? >> this is who he is, this is the strategy he wants to deploy. it's not about him being undisciplined or unhinged. it's about him being a racist. he has been using this since he came down those escalators, so i think it's important for us to understand that donald trump is at his most effective when he's on the battlefield of the culture wars, when he is appealing to grievance and hatred and here we see him trying to go back to that but it is late in the career, people calling at the federal this moment. i don't know if that is right but the whole idea is that he's trying to go to the old playbook because this is where he made his money. i think we need to stop trying to say that he tried to morph into something more disciplined and attack kamala harris as a san francisco liberal. this is the battlefield on which his political career is made in his most comfortable players playing the culture war in race card. >> that's interesting. i wanted to bring that to you, some may say you've been occasionally a master at the art of dirty tricks. i say that as a compliment, rick.

>> i take it as such. >> as you should. trump is comfortable on he put it, the battlefield of culture wars and often it has worked for republicans in the past. will it work this time around, especially with african-american woman, a black woman on the ballot? >> i think this is going to be a disaster for donald trump. i think there is a large cohort of republican voters, the once whispering that they are nervous, there are 10 times as many who are in a private panic right now because they are how -- going to have to go and on the birth certificate part two bs that trump is peddling. they're going to have to go out and own having to explain, have to say to voters that they don't share the views of donald trump, who is willing to throw gasoline into race in this country.

you don't feel a situation where trump is talking about things even though they worked for him in 2016, that connection with economic populism, this has subsumed the rest of trumps campaign and i think one thing eddie pointed out correctly, this is who trump is. there is no better trump. there is no better angel on trump's shoulder. the angel on trumps shoulder is always whispering set it on fire, do it, do it. that is exactly what you see. >> all right welfare enough to both of you and i guess that makes the more interesting element of this attack line how the harris campaign response to it. i'm curious, how would you advise them to respond to all of this? >> will first of all, let me just say, kamala, and i say that because one of the things that have frustrated me is how we in the media are so obsessed with that other guy that we keep bringing out his name but i think that part of the problem with all of this is that we are giving too much airtime to foolishness, right?

mean-spiritedness, ignorance, name-calling and all that we see going on over there. here is the exciting thing. this campaign, this candidacy is really a reflection of who we are as americans and certainly who we want to be, our biggest hopes and dreams as a diverse nation that cares about everyone that is kind, compassionate, inclusive. we are seeing and out pouring of support from folks coming out giving money signing up to volunteer to support vp harris who is a reflection of the diversity in the spirit of the energy of who we are as a people and so what i would advise all of us to do, who care about growing and moving forward as a nation and coming together is to focus on the fact that we are absolutely

faced with two different kinds of candidates, one who is willing to say horrible, hateful, nasty things to divide us and bring us back to the worst of who we have been as americans and another who is bringing us together under this banner and promise of all the hopes and dreams we've had for ourselves and our nation for the future. i would just keep saying her name, kamala harris, and remind us that we actually are renting a ticket right now as democrats, for someone who reflects the majority of the wisest and not the minority of the nasty, mean- spirited. >> yes and rick, i want to talk about the full breadth of the attacks don't harris' way. it's not just trump in this campaign who can't seem to get a good message out against her and fox news, they've been basically throwing everything against the wall to see what sticks.

take a look at this. >> she wants to ban plastic straws. i love my plastic straw. i hate those paper straws. >> you have to look at this woman is say you know, is she sober during the last three and half years? >> she likes wine, she likes food, she likes to dance, she is like your typical girls girl that -- >> it's better for her to stay in her sweet spot as the hugger in chief. >> all right, hugger in chief. rick, if that is -- is that the best they can do and what you think they ultimately end up? >> that is actually the best they can do. i mean, the crowning irony of questioning whether somebody is sober is truly rich coming from fox but i want to say, they are going to keep rolling out a different portfolio of attack lines on her and they are looking for something that they can re-solidify the trump based on. he has been drifting idly. he

had that run of good luck after the debate and of great political news everyday all the time. biden was in crisis. trump was cruising. he has been golfing rather than campaigning. they are trying to recapture some intensity in the base. they are very worried about republican women walking away from trump so they will keep trying these attack lines. the one you're going to see that plays out the best for them, even though it is false and duplicitous, they are going to hit her on the board because that is something the republican audiences deeply programmed to respond to. just like there is a war on christmas every year there also told a caravan of mexicans is coming to kill you. they've heard that story hundred times and it's never true but they respond to it and that is i think where trump's focus will end up going. >> obviously the attacks on

harris have incredible racial undertones. how do you think the harris campaign has been doing in deflecting them, and can you speak to the broader narrative here and how this has always been an element of our political history, maybe why it might be different this time around? >> i think the harris campaign responded powerfully. it is an old playbook. it is disrespectful and then to move on, do we want to go back to the past or are we going to go step into a different america, a better future, and i think they need to do that. i don't think they need to spend time with that foolishness. i think the contrast should pot -- constantly be made. that is the foolishness of the past. we are the future but underneath our politics, there is always the ghost of our past that has us by the throat, the idea that ours must be and must remain a white nation and you think of that claim over and against the demographic shifts

in the country, the browning of america and the cultural panic that comes with that. we have to understand our history as we are marching into is different america and i want to say this, i want us to understand the fragility of the hope, that underneath it lies a kind of desperation, and exhaustion, that people are tired. we know what 2008 generated. we know the excitement of obama but also lived between then and now. we know what that was the response. we know there are 1 million folk dead. we know this has been our political lives and so we have to tend to this open excitement in a way that opens up the future, not take us back to the past. >> i hear you. it is an uncomfortable segway, but there is more personal news that developed today. the harris campaign forced to respond to the daily mail report that second gentleman doug emhoff had an affair during his first marriage. the second gentleman said that

he and his first wife went through some tough times on account of my actions. i took responsibility and in the years since, we work through things as a family and come out strongly on the other side. this was well before the second gentleman and vice president were married. what do we make of this in the context of the trump team going on the attack on harris. the cover that the payments, the hush money payments -- will this have any resonance, the story about the second gentleman? >> absolutely not. here's the thing. the fact that that campaign would in any way try to attack anyone around the moral compass of relationships of any kind of sexual deviance, i mean, let's be clear that it is unmatched, the complete and total moral decline of the republican party under trump, and so i think

that if anything, maybe it animates their base a little bit but here is the thing that we need to be reminded of, just political calculus in terms of the path to 270 for the harris campaign. at this point, the enthusiasm we are seeing on the democratic side is what always helps the democrats get over that hump and get to 270. at the end of the day it does not matter what kind of craziness they try to throw that is not going to stick at this campaign as long as the harris camp focuses on keeping its constituency excited, animated, committed and grow that energy of positivity, they are going to win. none of the negative stuff is going to derail that enthusiasm and we know that democrats win when people are happy, excited and enthusiastic. republicans win when people are fear mongering and nasty and mean to one another so i think that is the real divide here

and a real opportunity for this campaign to say okay, keep throwing the stuff as much as you want. go dig out nasties of the past. you are not going to win a moral war here. we are going to stay positive and that is why we are going to win. >> well said. thank you all so much. really appreciated and next i will speak with democratic congressman robert garcia about donald trump's pitch to debate vp harrison whether she should go for it. be right back. go for it. be right back. t. vraylar helped give it a lift. adding vraylar to an antidepressant is clinically proven to help relieve overall depression symptoms better than an antidepressant alone. and in vraylar clinical studies, most saw no substantial impact on weight. elderly dementia patients have increased risk of death or stroke. report unusual changes in behavior or suicidal thoughts. antidepressants can increase these in children and young adults. report fever, stiff muscles, or confusion, as these may be life-threatening, or uncontrolled muscle movements, which may be permanent.

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while donald trump was on the attack tonight, not backing down from his debate challenge, she came out earlier this week. >> well, donald -- i do hope you will reconsider to meet me on the debate stage.

because, as the saying goes, if you have something to say, say it to my face. >> does not look like trump will be saying anything to her face. he announced today that he is backing out of the september 10th abc news debate that he previously agreed to with president biden. instead he is asking for a debate in the friendlier confines of fox news on september 4th. joining me to discuss that is congressman robert garcia of california. as i mentioned, trump announced that he is backing out of the september 10th debate he previously agreed to. he claimed that since the debate was being hosted on abc news, which he has an active defamation lawsuit against, it represents a conflict of interest. however, he agreed to the debate after the lawsuit was filed.

this is a questionable excuse at best. he is now hoping for debate hosted by fox news. what do you make of this? >> first, we've known that donald trump is a criminal, con man, and he has doubled down on being a total coward. donald trump is afraid to debate kamala harris. that is the bottom line. he already agreed to this debate, and so now he is basically trying to backtrack on this debate promised and trying to throw up this creative debate that he is made in his head at fox news with moderators of his choosing with an audience of his choosing and it is completely ridiculous so i think the harris campaign had the right response. they will be at the abc debate ready and willing to debate. it is one that donald trump already agreed to do. we know this whole defamation lawsuit business is complete bs and a distraction, so let's see

if donald trump is going to man up and actually debate kamala harris, so i think that is what the focus should be on and i think the campaign is handling it just right. >> this -- should the campaign call his bluff? >> i think that what the campaign has said is that the vice president is happy to discuss other debates with donald trump, but first and foremost, that she is going to agree and complete the first debate that they both agreed to, which is the september abc debate. the campaign has been honest about possibly having other debates and working to schedule those but first and foremost they're going to have the debate they agreed to. donald trump is running scared so i'm not sure if he thinks that being a coward is going to somehow win back more independent voters in the midwest. it is absolutely not. people are realizing more and more that donald trump is a

complete coward and is afraid of kamala harris and i understand why. she is a prosecutor. she has prosecuted criminals and big corporations. she has taken on guys like donald trump and we are all looking forward to seeing both of them on the debate stage. >> i want to talk about the 30,000 foot picture of the state of the race. you are one of president biden's most adamant defenders. when democrats started calling him to drop out of the race you said it was not going to happen. >> let's not forget, i think it's incredibly disrespectful to somehow dismiss the millions of people across this country, democratic primary voters that have actually nominated. he has won those delegates fair and square so joe biden has won the primary. he is our nominee. he will be nominated at the convention and him and his team are moving forward. we all are out there competing alongside and with the president. >> obviously that was an

incredibly difficult period for the democratic party. a lot of sensitive feelings about how it was playing out but it is fair to say now that we are on the other side of president biden's decision to drop out that it was the right call for the party? >> i stand by everything i said hundred percent. i supported the president and stood by him until he made that final decision and i am proud and honored to have supported who i believe his been the most consequential president since fdr. a lot of us knew the president would make the right decision for the country. he made a decision i know is difficult, but he always puts the country first so let's also remember as part of that primary vote that millions did across the country, they voted for two people, joe biden and kamala harris so it made complete sense for the vice president to step forward, for us to unify around her. i'm in support of what the

president wanted to do. it was the right decision. he made it with all the information in front of him, his commitment to the country and we can see now the grassroots energy that is building for kamala harris, my home state senator and candidate. the fundraising records that are being broken, the millions of grassroots volunteers, the amount of folks being engaged for the first time and these folks are going to be activated for a leader that is tested, that is ready and in this dangerous time is going to step up to lead our country in a way that is about the future and hopeful, so we are fired up and we will never forget joe biden's incredible sacrifice to our country. >> i wanted to ask you about one thing that caught my eye. after calling trump a coward over the debate news, david

writes this, he seems only comfortable in a cocoon, asking his happy place, fox, to call -- host a trump rally in handle the debate. the reason this caught my eye is to my knowledge, this is the first time someone who is officially associated were on the harris campaign has used trumps age against him in an attack like that. is that a sign of things to come should the harris campaign make trumps age an issue in this campaign? >> the campaign that began making age an issue is the trump campaign so i think it's totally fair game to push back. that is the argument they love to you so let's use it back and i think the harris campaign and others are absolutely going to collect donald trump sage because apparently they've been obsessed about age this entire time so absolutely donald trump is a very old man but unlike joe biden, who is a good person and has led this country with incredible strength, donald trump is a criminal, can barely

put sentences together, and we also know he is someone that consistently goes absolutely bizarre weirdo on everybody and so the things that he says were he's talking about sharks or hannibal lector, these are bizarre things and so the person who deserves to receive incredible scrutiny over what he says is donald trump and i expect that the campaign is going to call on that and call that out every single day. >> all right, congressman robert garcia, really appreciate you coming back. up next, conservatives have long argued that abortion should be left to the states, but they might be regretting that now. they might be regrettg that now. t now at america's b—- get two pairs of progressives for just $129.95. offer includes a comprehensive eye exam. book an exam online today.

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mobilized voters to petition for constitutional amendments. voters are pulling out all the stops in filing a new wave of lawsuits to for those referendums from montana to florida to south dakota, trying to ensure that abortion rights are not left up to the states. case in point, arizona. antiabortion groups are grasping at straws. the arizona right to life is suing to disqualify the proposed amendment that would override the states 15-week abortion ban. accusations the campaign has rejected. there is also an ongoing legal battle over the voter guide language drafted by a gop panel of state lawmakers who said the ballot measures would allow the abortion of a quote unborn human being as opposed to the word fetus. joining me now is jj straight, the national campaigns director for reproductive rights at the american civil liberties union. let's start there with this

intent at manipulative ballot voter language by these gop state lawmakers. in the case of arizona, unborn human being. in florida it is the gop led panel with language that will appear at the bottom of the ballot, it will negatively impact the state budget. you know, do voters see through what is happening here? >> well, thank you for having me tonight, and absolutely. we have seen that these attempts to try to confuse voters and really for the will of the popularity of restoring abortion access in their states has not been successful. however, we are very concerned about these continued attempts to confuse voters and to try to make them think that something is just not what it is, which is really our work, to make

sure that everybody in this country has access to abortion, and to the health care they need, and absolutely receive these constant attempts to try to confuse voters and for the will of the people. we know abortion is overwhelmingly popular. >> make abortion about the budget, you know. we are also seeing the tax on ballot measure efforts in states like arkansas, montana, south dakota and florida. what other kinds of legal strategies and tactics are the antiabortion groups using to block those referendums? >> we are seeing all kinds of things. this is really, to be clear, when administrative process that the constituents of the states are following all the rules, filing hundreds of thousands of signatures, breaking records, and what we see is secretaries of states and other oppositional leaders who are trying to put roadblocks after we have followed all the rules in the

state to try to keep these things from going to the ballot because they know we have seen in every single state that when we make the ballot we would win and people want to restore access in their states. >> i think it is important to state the backdrop of this. when it is on the ballot, even in red and purple states like kansas, kentucky, ohio, voters have basically voted to enshrine abortion access. so, i guess the question is, is this just an attempt to stop things from coming up from a popular vote and what does it tell us about the strengths of both the abortion rights movements in the antiabortion movement? >> yes, that is really at the heart of it, they know that they have to keep these things from going in front of voters because as you said, no matter the makeup of the state, we have seen folks overwhelmingly show up at these pellets, also overwhelmingly reject these

types of attempts to thwart their ability to put their vote in and make sure they restore access and that is because these politicians and their ideas are wildly unpopular. we know that folks, seven out of 10 americans are clearly saying they want to see abortion access and that abortion is healthcare. we have seen the intended consequences of these types of bands and what it is doing to our families in this country and absolutely we know that when we are on the ballot, we win. >> all right. jj straight, thank you so much for joining us. up next, we go to tel aviv where fears of an imminent strike are growing. n imminent strike are growing. (woman) phone! (man) ahhh! (woman) oh! (man) oh no. (woman) dang it! (vo) you break it. we take it. trade in any phone, in any condition.

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range project allen accused israel of carrying it out with support from the united states. later on, the u.s. deployed additional aircraft carriers to the region in anticipation of a potential attack on israel by iran. nbc news correspondent ellison barber sent us this report from tel aviv. >> at evening. this is an area that is very much waiting and on edge and that is the term iranian officials have been using. iran will try to carry out against israel for that apparent assassination of ismail haniyeh inside of iranian territory. there were a group of israeli negotiators that left on the plane sometime today headed to cairo. we are told by the prime minister's officer -- office that around them were two members of is really groups that were going to cairo to meet and discuss the cease-fire deal that now for all intents and purposes is on hold but we don't know right now whether

anyone from hamas was there. it does not appear that they weren't as far as we know, no progress was made when it comes to a possible cease-fire or resumption of meaningful socks for a cease-fire. we spoke to a longtime israeli hostage negotiator in jerusalem earlier today, and asked him about the status of the cease- fire. it seems like it is fallen apart. united states, president biden has said they still believe one can be reached and that there should be some sort of cease- fire agreement, but in biden's words, the assassination of ismail haniyeh certainly did not help those talks. the hostage negotiator we spoke to those that he still believes some sort of deal might be possible despite the high profile killings we've seen in the last week because he says there is room, in his view, for the mediators to put a deal forward and say to both hamas and israel, take it or leave it. >> my advice to the americans

and to the two mediators were after 10 months of this conflict, you know what both sides can accept and can't accept. put a deal on the table taking into account what both sides need and demand, put it in writing, put it on the table and tell them this is it. take it or leave it and disbelieve it the mediators should walk away. it does not make sense to continue playing the game of israel and hamas in negotiating when the gaps are not shrinking. >> meanwhile on the left bank today there was an israeli airstrike that killed at least nine people. according to hamas, they say many of those killed were fighters, part of hamas, also part of them from islamic jihad. they say one of the nine people killed was a local hamas commander in the west bank inside of gaza. there was also an israeli airstrike there according to local health authorities inside

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historic, three americans landing on u.s. soil, graded by their families along with president biden and vice president harris after a historic exchange with russia. two of the released prisoners with -- were journalists, evan gershkovich, the 32-year-old reporter for the wall street journal who was detained in march 2023 during a reporter trip in russia. he was detained on bogus espionage charges. the first such case against a western reporter since 1986 and also a russian-american editor working for radio free europe sentenced to 6.5 years in a russian penal quality -- connie, for spreading misinformation about roger. this is the scene in russia after two journalists were killed. they were killed when their car was hit in a refugee camp west

of gaza city according to witnesses. they were wearing press vests, and were in clearly marked vehicles when they were attacked. the committee to protect journalists has confirmed that 113 journalists have been killed since october 7th, the vast majority of them are palestinian. joining me now is the president of the committee to protect journalists, jodi ginsberg. thank you for joining us. evan is free and with his family, alsu kurmasheva is free and with her family. they never should've been put in the situation but they are finally home, so what do you make of this entire ordeal? >> i'm obviously thrilled that both alsu and evan are back with their families. they should never have been arrested or charged.

it's fantastic they are home. that does not mean we now have press freedom in russia. it does not mean we have an improvement in the situation worldwide for journalist safety and press freedom. >> i want to talk about that because it's not just russia, it is not just gaza. your organization's annual report last year documented 320 journalists in prison for their work, which was near the global all-time high. what accounts for this rise around the world? >> unfortunately, what we have seen is governments worldwide recognize that one of the best and most effective ways to silence journalist is to misuse and abuse the law to do so. so many of those journalists you mentioned that are in jail are in jail because they were accused of breaching national security laws, being involved in terrorism. it is a very effective way to tie journalists up for a long

period of time and cut down on their credibility and an important thing to note about this figure is that it is not just those traditional authoritarian regimes you may think of. it is also places that supposedly have press freedom including hong kong, for example, where jimmy nye, a british citizen is in prison or guatemala where one is also in jail, both on separate and different charges but essentially in jail because of their independent reporting. >> i do want to go back to gosar, and this was the scene on wednesday as the journalist passed a report on israel killing her colleague. >> we do everything. we wear our press jackets, we wear our helmets. we try to not go to anywhere that is not safe. we try not to go to anywhere to keep our security but we have been targeted in normal places

where normal citizens are. we're trying to do everything but at the same time, we want to report, we want to tell the world what is going on. it is heartbreaking to report this today. >> it's heartbreaking to listen to that, too, but she did say something very specific. we have been targeted. is that true? have they been targeted and is the idf doing the targeting? >> it is certainly the case in the case of ishmael and ramey. the israeli army have admitted that. they accused esmail of being a member of hamas, militant operative. unfortunately, this is a pattern of the smearing of journalists that we've seen time and again from israel not just in this war, but in previous conflicts. we produced a report last year called deadly pattern that showed in many cases we saw the israeli army killing journalists, often then denying that they had done so and subsequently accusing them of being terrorists but never producing any credible evidence

and that has been the case again in this war. we have yet to see any credible evidence regarding esmail but we have the same narrative regarding a strike on al jazeera journalists and freelancers back in january when there was a similar direct strike on their car, so certainly we know that these five direct targeted killings, and we are investigating at least a further 10 and there may be more. >> this sort of raises an operational question, i guess, which is, we can see the breadth of the attacks on journalists, the imprisonment of them but obviously, journalists are going to cover these conflicts. they are going to go into these countries and continue to report. is there anything that can be done on a legal or political level that can protect journalists better in these hot zones? >> firstly, it's important to remember that journalists are civilians so they are not

legitimate targets in a war. that is the first thing that would constitute a war crime. the second thing to remember is that these are not journalist to necessarily sought to report on war. they are just reporters to whom what has come and who are the only people who can report on this war because international journalists are not allowed into gaza but certainly what we need to see is more pressure from international governments including the united states that purport to believe in the free press, ensuring that governments protect journalists safety, that they are not targeting them and certainly that they are not putting them in jail for their work. >> thank you for everything you've done for journalists and for talking about this very difficult subject. a new hour of ayman mohyeldin is coming up after this. oming no one wants to be known for cancer, but a treatment can be. keytruda is known to treat cancer. fda-approved for 17 types of cancer, including certain early-stage and advanced cancers. one of those cancers is early-stage non-small cell lung cancer.

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