callous to the end. >> sarah dutra did not respond to our interview request . and octavia, she told us she had forgiven sarah as much for her own sake as anything. >> will i ever forget what she has done? never. but i don't want to have my whole life be there cruelty and the things they chose to do to him. i would rather remember the loving times we had together. and they are not going to take that away from me. >> that is all for this edition of dateline. i am craig melvin. thank you for watching. u for w good morning and welcome to this sunday edition of morning

joe weekend. here are some of the big conversations from the past fewo days that we wanted to highlight. donald tetrump thought the appearance yesterday at a conference of like journalist. the former president was w combative with the moderators during his 34 minutes on stage. he questions whether vice president, kamala harris, is black and if she passed the bar exam, which she did is a former prosecutor. >> mr. president i would love you to answer-- >> i think it is a very nasty question, i have answered your question. i have been the best president for the black population, since abraham lincoln. >> better than president johnson, who signed the voting rights act? some of your own supporters, including republicans on capitol hill have labeled vice president, kamala harris, was the first like an asian american woman to be vice v president on a ticket as an dei higher and would you tell those

republicans and supporters to stop it. >> how do you define dei dei. >> diversity equity and inclusion? >> with that be your definition, would you give me a definition, give me a definition. >> sir, i am asking you a very direct question. >> to find it for me, if you will. >> i just find it, do you believe that vice president, harris is only on the ticket because she is a black woman? >> no, i think it is maybe a little bit different, i have known her a long time, indirectly, directly, and she was always of indian heritage, and she was only promoting indian heritage, i didn't know she was lack until a number of years ago, which she happened to turn black and now she wants to be known as black, so i don't know, is she indian or is she black? >> she has always identified as a black women and went to a historically black college. >> i respect either one, but she obviously doesn't, because

she was indian all the way, and all of the sudden she made a turn, she became a black rn person. >> just to be clear, do you think-- >> i think you should look into that too if you continue in a very nasty tone. >> you believe that kamala harris is a dei higher? >> i don't know, could become i think there are some-- there are plenty. >> would you consider taking a cognitive tests? >> i would love ngto do it. >> and make it public? >> i've already taken two of them and i-- i suggested harris that-- let's take one-- i said joe and i will take a cognitive tests, now i would do it with her too. d i would do it with her also, you know what? she failed her law exam, she didn't pass her law exam, so maybe she would not pass a cognitive test. >> just to be clear-- >> i'm giving you the facts. >> she didn't pass her bar exam and she didn't think she would pass it and she didn't think she was going to ever pass it and i don't know what happened, maybe she passed it.

>> she did pass it, she did, in fact pass it. >> she didn't pass it, maybe she did pass it, actually she didn't pass of the first time around, but the california bar is notoriously difficult, only half of the people who take it the first time around pass it, but she did pass it the second time around. let's bring in national reporter of the "new york re times", jeremy peters, mara , reverend, al sharpton as well. reverend, let me start with you because you were in the room yesterday, i know there was a lot of controversy about whether donald trump should be there at all. i imagine everybody was expecting this to be a combative interview, but give me a sense of what people are saying after that interview happened, what was the take in all of that? >> you know, i think there was a lot of division ahead of this interview, people were really conflicted about whether or noto it was appropriate, because he had been invited numerous times in the past that he has declined all of those

invitations and then, you know,i contextually it is important to remember that he is coming up, verbally attacked a number of prominent, specifically black women, members of nebj so there were people who were conflict or ambivalent, and on the other side of that exchange is people who expected a fiasco, there was a very skeptical sentiment. some people felt that there had been, you know, people had done their jobs, you know, particularly rachel scott, kind of drilling down on the of questions and trying to hold him to-- prevent him from goingo off on nonsense tangents of that sort, but ultimately i think that, for people like myself, you know, who didn't think that this was the proper format or even, necessary to have as an event, i think that that pretty much demonstrated why. >> jelani cobb, one of the things that i contended that trump him to do exactly what he

did and he did it. he came to say to his mag a crowd i stood up to blacks, i disrespected them and i started my 2024 version of birtherism by questioning the identity of kamala harris, because i went to the white house based on birtherism, on the question of the birth of barack obama. having said that, i think that h a lot of the journalists that were question, many of us said why would they give them a platform i think the three sisters on the platform, i think were vindicated, because donald trump did exactly what he wanted to do, which really made them appear as journalists and exposed to he was. he had no idea what dei was, that's why he asked her to define it. he said he did everything for blacks more than anyone since abe lincoln, and he never could

dictate what that was, so in many ways, don't you think ma that, despite the fact that you or maybe others and certainly m me, said, well, he should it be given that kind of platform, hen really was exposed in that platform, but i think he did exactly what he wanted to do. i just think that he is playing to a crowd that is a dwindling crowd. >> well, one thing that i think is different here is that the audience that he was playing to was not in that group. wa so, and i agree with you fully, this was appalling to say i went into the liens income i spoke to these people you know, the standard kind of things we anticipate, when someone asks difficult questions of donald trump and you saw the combative reaction, so there was a crowd of people in the room, who were aghast, particularly when he began casting dispersions about, lane harris's racial identity. which t,was obviously an absurda thing to say to that crowd, because there were people who,

for instance, like myself, went to howard university as the vice president did, a historically black university. she is a member of alpha kappa alpha a historically black sorority. there was no question about americans in that room how she has identified for her entire life. it was a useful opportunity to look at people who were outside of that room, so you will see that picked up in the kind of echo chamber and bouncing around on social media, saying that, lane harris has not been r black or identified with black for her entire life. so, for me, the skepticism was about whether or not, we would generate more substantive information or we would be-- to be the proliferation of disinformation feand i think th we saw a good amount of the state stream of it as the former president spoke. >> jeremy, we have covered all morning if it is racist, this appearance was too, to the he

reverend's point. trump really wanted this fight. take us behind the scenes here, in terms of his campaign. what are they thinking here, in terms of these kinds of attacks, levying the dei charges, remember just a week ar ago, when speaker johnson urged his fellow republicans to not do this anymore i know you have trump leaning in and leaning in harder than ever. does this show just a-- a lack of planning here? they are not sure what to make of harris or they really think this is the way to attack her? >> no, i think they are flailing around, they have not l landed on any of the effective critique of her. it is laughing, luck, crooked, look crazy, look, travis casting about for an attack line that will work, something he has been very effective at doing with his other opponents. but they can't land on one. 't i think what vice president harris has done by responding to this the way she did is to very effectively draw the contrast that biden couldn't,

with trump. she is saying, let's-- you et know, same old show. it is no accident that she used the word old. and she is reminding people that this is something we have all seen from donald trump, this is-- it is kind of like a tired sequel to the original, where he is going back to the same playbook, saying, questioning her, background, somehow this is a conspiracy theory that he would like to be as powerful as birtherism was in 2016. ir i don't know about that. as far as conspiracy theories go, this is a pretty weak one. it sounded like it was something very compulsive that came out of his mouth at the time, i don't think i had never heard of this, maybe i am wrong. vice president harris's background, the way that there were all of these conspiracy theories around obama. i think this nswas just a-- an

attempt to land a hit on her. >> you know, we have been w, talking a lot about republicans lately and i think this is one of those moments where it is om very easy, to your point, jeremy, to say, well, this just seems out of left field. everyone knows that kamala harris is black has identified as black as well as native american, but i have to just return to something that the rev talked about a moment ago, which is that, to black americans, this kind of attack r actually feels quite familiar, because what it really was was an attempt by the former president of the united states to-- when talking about the vice president with a room filled with black journalists, black people, you are nothing, you are whatever i think you at are, you are whatever i say you are, we don't get to self define, we don't get to be american, i say what you are, because i am a white man, that is old thinking, it is an old walk, it is all donald trump has, but my question for jelani

cobb, i was hoping to ask him about this, i just wonder if you could talk about the lk performative nature of white supremacy and what you saw through that lens? >> sure. i think performance is really a key term there, because in the aftermath i said two people it struck me that he was like a comedian who is trying out new material, like going around and casting about, but savvy enough to know that the way that this would play in that room would not be pertinent to him. people will gasp at several different points, you know at things that he said, but also knowing that he could, utilize this and even as they were n still in the room, there were social media clips going out. also insulted the audio equipment and saying that everything is half rate because the audio wasn't ready, when,

in fact, he was tweeting, or posting rather on truth social from his airplane while we were already linked, at the point at which the program was supposed to start, he was still on his plane so that didn't-- it certainly did seem to say, well, look, in a room full of inept african-american journalist that he couldn't get the audio right then he comes out and says that the woman-- that rachel scott has asked a nasty question and make this about being combative with her. so it was a really kind of very disturbing bit of performance art. >> and we saw when he was president so many times when he responded to white house correspondents with those who he would call nasty or disrespectful almost always women and often women of color. >> we have lots more to get to this hour, morning joe weekend continues after a short break. got it? [squawks] did you get that?

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setting of the national association for black journalists convention and there was another tense moment there yesterday when former president trump was asked about his running mate, jd vance's comments about childless women. >> he said the democrats running the country are a bunch of childless cat ladies who are miserable at their own lives and their choices being made, so they want to make the rest of the country move too. he is not talking here about how great it is to be a parent he's attacking what he says are the choices people are making to not have children. did you know he had these views? about people who do not have children before you picked him to be your running mate and you agree with him? >> i know this. he is very family oriented. and he thinks families are a great thing. that doesn't mean he thinks that he doesn't have a family. i know people with families and a people with great families, people with troubled families and people with no families that didn't meet the right

person. things happen, you go through life and you don't meet the right person. >> is not just talking about families here. >> some of those people-- >> i'm just speaking for myself. >> is that your question? >> he strongly believes in family, but i know people with great families i know people with not great families that don't have a family. and people without the family are far better, they are superior in many cases, okay? >> just minutes later, trump then seems to downplay the significance of his vice presidential pick. >> i have always had great respect for him and for the other candidates too. and i think this is well- documented, and he sort of played the vice president in terms of the election, does not have any impact, virtually no impact. you have two or three days where there's a lot of commotion as to who-- you are having on the democrats side, who it will be, and then that dies down and it is all about

the presidential pick. virtually, never has it mattered, maybe lyndon johnson it mattered for different reasons from what we are talking about, for political reasons other political reasons. but historically, the choice of a vice president makes no difference, you are voting for the president and you can have a vice president, who is outstanding every day and i think jd is, i think all of them would have been, but you are not voting that way, you are voting for the president, you are voting for me. if you like me i'm going to win, if you don't like me i'm not going to win. >> the host and creative director of msnbc live, good morning. as someone put it to me yesterday, trump's efforts to downplay the significance of his vice presidential pick sounds like, probably what his aides have told him in recent days, as he complains about the pick of jd vance and all of the about headlines he has created where she he is trying to say, 'it doesn't matter about you, but clearly, trump and his team on the defensive about this

vance pick and it comes as vice president harris is about to select her own running mate. >> well i don't think i have seen a less re-endorsement of a vice presidential pick in recent modern presidential history. essentially saying, don't worry about him, i am the guy on the ballot. that doesn't say that there's a lot of, confidence donald trump has in jd vance. look, i think jd vance has been very problematic for donald trump in a lot of levels, but perhaps, no more so than his association with project 2025 and the fact that donald trump, someone who is very chameleonlike, so when you talk about, harris being, never really likes to be pinned down on something, doesn't like to talk about policy, always likes to talk about the personal, jd vance is so attached to the policy about what they would actually do if they were governing. one of the big stories here in washington, d.c. close to virginia stayed with a lot of federal workers, project 2025, they wants to fire all of these civil servants.

jd vance is one who has been in favor of that, essentially saying that anyone who has a government job is quote, an unelected bureaucrat needs to be looked at. here in dc at other places around the country, a lot of federal workers that go, hey, i work for the fda under four presidents. for 20, 25 years, and i get fired on day one of the trump administration, so what jd vance has done to donald trump is tied him down to a lot of policy he doesn't like. not to mention all the personal front, he is deeply offensive to women. one thing i always like to do for someone who is in and out of politics the last few years is what comes from people who don't inhale this stuff like you and i do? i've gotten so many images from young women who say, wait, did he really say that? did jd vance really say that? no, if the job of the vice president is to be ready on day one and not cause the ship to take on water i think it has been an epic failure so far. >> i think one of the jobs of a

candidate is to do no harm, this reminds me actually, this moment with -- of trump downplaying vance's significance. because when vance was picked there was a sense that trump was trying to set up this is the maga era parents, but trump doesn't really care about the republican party. he doesn't care if it is down ballot for tracy, he doesn't care if it is setting up for future success, he just cares about himself. >> that is exactly right and it is why he denounced, i think, project 2025 and the strong language he did, even though there may be policy prescriptions that are farther to the right than he is, it is not his document right? and everything always has to be about him and originate from him and when i was reporting in my book i was talking to one of trump's closest advisors, steve bannon, who said to me and i quote, the record saying this,

do you think trump cares about the next republican who runs for president? >> no, he wants the next republican presidential candidate to lose by 40 points, because he wants to say only i can do this, donald j trump, so i think that, when you are looking at vance and any kind of potential future he has in the republican party you have to remember two things. one, people closest to trump often don't last very long and they don't have political futures, because they either end up in jail or disgraced or shoved out of the inner sanctum because of somehow offending him, and that trump is not interested in nurturing a successor for his movement, because it is his movement, in his eyes. >> i love the idea that there is kind of a box you can take to end up in jail, or end up disgraced or just chucked out of the inner circle. that is what happens to so many of those people who hang around trump for so long. luke, because it is not just about television, tell us about the msnbc live event that you are going to be holding around the dnc later this month in

chicago with eric holder, stacey abrams, sounds super exciting. what is going to be happening? >> thank you so much for asking. we are very excited, we have an event in chicago, wednesday of the convention week and we will talk about voter access, specifically how to get folks to the polls who might not necessarily have the means to do so, because they live in places where there is not adequate transportation, what can be done to get folks to the polls in a way, which also cuts through a lot of the voter suppression efforts we have seen throughout the country, stacey abrams, eric holder will speak to this, so that is what we have in chicago at the dnc, and september 7th the new york we are going to do a big one with a lot of nbc personalities. we have an afternoon session and an evening session. >> next on morning joe weekend. senator brooker joins us to talk about president biden's supreme court reforms.

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joining us now, democratic senator, cory booker of new jersey, senator, we will get to the campaign trail in just a moment, but first, on the judiciary committee, let's get to the reaction that we heard from president biden this morning, calling it pretty sweeping overhaul of the supreme court code of ethics, term limits for justices that currently do not happen in suggesting that presidents should not have immunity, calling for a constitutional him and and to basically overturn the court ruled a few weeks ago. how important is this? we heard from the president today. >> well, first of all i don't see it as so sweeping it is actually very pragmatic reforms to the court that most americans on both sides of the aisle actually agree with. think about this for a second. number one, the highest court in the land should not have the

lowest ethics laws. and the institution is being undermined, as far right-wing billionaire extremist, forgiving lavishing millions of dollars worth of gifts on supreme court a members, they have interest matters before those courts and that is wrong. and we should have high ethics rules. and we all know that. number two, the term limit is actually in line with every other major constitutional democracy. we are this outlier. in many ways we corrected that with the presidency by putting term limits, but now we have lifetime appointments, which creates a system in which a president will appoint someone only when that person decides to resign. you create this arbitrary system where you are incentivizing people to stay off far too long. giving term it's actually gives predictability to our court and has people involved in the presidency and their elections, knowing if you elect a

president they will have to appoint this to the highest court in the land and prevent one president from having an outsized influence on the court, but actually making a system that makes sense. so, these are things i support, me, senator whitehouse alito on super certain issues, senator padilla and senator blumenthal all have a bill that reflect what the president has performed today. >> senator, of course there is little to no chance that this will pass this year of congress, but you think in private conversations with republicans that sometime down the road they would engage in something like this? >> i would certainly hope so, these are great ideas again that don't come from one side of the aisle. people are talking about term limits on both sides of the aisle for a very long time. this is common sense. if we want to preserve the strength of our in institutions and not something that is politicized but really make sure that our supreme court takes back that ideal of the highest standards in our

society, these are steps that we are going to have to take. what is taking to the court right now it is being delegitimized by the partnership in our area, we need high ethics standards, term limits come predictability, we need to end this nature if they want to step down or not. these are common sense things that i think will actually destroy a lot of legitimacy to the court and i'm glad the president can forward in a very thoughtful manner. >> one more on this topic senator. of the three reforms that the president proposed what you think is the most important, what you think is the most vital? >> again, our court should not be for sale. we should not have a situation where supreme court members can take millions of dollars of gifts for people that have matters or injuries for a course that is just so wrong, and again it will undermine our democracy, delegitimized the institution which is very

important, but i will tell you, the idea of term limits, like they were for the presidency, i think is very common sense. an 18 year term putting us in line with most constitutional democracies and something that again, is very popular with people on both sides of the political aisle. >> senator, i'm supposed to be an issue this week i am spending about the jersey shore which is one of america's best cities, i want to thank jersey for that, i just love it so much. but i got to talk to you and governor witmer, so i'm happy to be here. tell me about-- you are just in nevada, i believe, for the harris campaign, tell me about how you are seeing the race, what people were saying in nevada, how they are feeling about things, what is on their mind? >> well, i am literally just flying in on a redeye and i am still energized, but the feeling that i got on the ground in nevada, i will tell you right now, the youth enthusiasm is through the

charts, volunteers coming forward, we had packed camping headquarters, going out on hot, hot days to still knock on doors and do the works of campaigns and people are donating at record numbers. we have the bigin as they say in sports, and as we have 90 or so days left, we have got to continue to press that effort. and remember, this is not just the presidential race. in nevada, like a handful of states, there is a contested senate race, where we have an extraordinary candidate, jackie rosen, who will get every vote that she can get and we have a lot of key house races that will determine which way the house of representatives is going, so this is a route that the harris campaign is so important for the races here in congress >> senator booker, you are closely working with the vice president when she was in the senate. there is no chance that you are being vetted, potentially, for vice president? >> there is no chance that i am

being vetted for the vice president, and smiling about that, that would be-- what a wonderful day that would be in our country where that might be a possibility in the future, but right now i do not think there will be two african- americans on this ticket i actually think that the vice president has extraordinary people to choose from. some people that really excite me that i've had chances to support whether it is schapiro or pritzker, but obviously i am in the senate with him and who isn't a an american hero, mark kelly, literally flanking fighter planes and astra's nasa astronaut out of this world, and he did something that he will teach me how to do, he married up with gabby giffords herself an american hero. that would help to carry the ticket even to an higher level and enthusiasm excitement and ultimately service white house. coming up, the republican mayor of arizona's third- largest city tells us why he is

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for life. chase. make more of what's yours. as democrats rally around kamala harris's presidential week, some republicans are speaking out against donald trump and voicing their support, instead for the vice president. that includes our next guest. who wrote an op-ed for this

title, why, as a republican merit mayor, i support, lane harris for trump. republican john giles, arizona, the state's third-largest city wrote this. i believe my party has a more calm and ethical responsibility to restore faith in our democratic and is. in the spirit of the late senator, john mccain's yamato, country first, i call on other arizona republicans to join me in choosing country over party in this election and to vote against donald trump. mayor giles joins us now. mayor, good morning, thank you for being with us. let's start with the reaction you are getting from your fellow republicans. have any taken you up on your offer? also, have others been sharply critical? >> yes, and yes. i think the negative response was something that i expected and it certainly has been there, but frankly, i have been a little taken back by the quantity and quality of the

positive responses that i have gotten from republicans, from former republicans, from independence, so, i think sometimes we-- you know, the extremes in my party, again, it is such a large amount of attention and it is easy to forget that, i think still, the majority of americans of the majority of republicans are in the center and on the political spectrum and are very open to-- to looking for alternatives that are not extreme. >> so, mr. mayor, tell us why, in your estimation, donald trump should not be returning to the white house. >> welcome you know it's -- i am obviously reluctant to-- as a republican i love being with republicans, so this was a very thoughtful process, and it also means, as mayor, my preference is to avoid being involved in public partisan fighting,

whenever possible. but there are certain times that, you know, the question that is presented is a moral one and an ethical one and a question of character and silence is not an option. so, that is my arguments to my fellow republicans, that this is not a year that we can follow tradition or follow misplaced loyalty and vote for a republican at the top of the ticket. donald trump has demonstrated that he lacks the character, lacks the commitment to the rule of law, and to the united states constitution to qualify as an elected official, let alone as a president of the united dates. >> mayor, thanks for coming on, so bright and early this morning. everyone is watching arizona to see which way it brings, because of course it is a must win for both parties, in terms of both the senate race but of course the presidential. what is your stance about, sort of, where the state is going, especially given the abortion referendum that will also be on the ballot this fall?

what are you hearing from people in your community about where arizona is headed? >> i think arizona is very much in play, i think you are likely to see a democrat win the senate seat, i think there are other democrats that are going to do well here. that, as you mentioned, we do have a state constitutional amendment on abortion on the ballot that i think is going to draw-- that had twice as many signatures as was required and is going to pass comfortably in our state. so, but-- in the presidential race, trump has been ahead by five or 10 points, so, i think the-- the change on the ticket, having the vice president assume the top of the ticket, i think that has brought a lot of energy, nationwide but also a nervous one. so, i think that gap is closing every day and arizona is going to be very competitive, but it is going to be very close and when it comes to the

presidential race in arizona. >> as you wrote in your op-ed, arizona has long embraced a john mccain style of conservatism and maverick am a willing to test and go outside the typical norms. how much of a drag you think that kerry like, people perspective likely nominee it is on the presidential ticket for republicans in arizona? >> welcome i don't expect her to be successful. even seeing the trump campaign seems to be trying to distance themselves from her a little bit. she is so over-the-top that you turns people off in arizona. so, i expect that diego is going to win comfortably in that race, although we will see if kerry lake even wins her primary. i think a lot of people on the republican side have seen that she is not going to do well in the general election here, and there is an alternative to

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although most of the trump family usually puts out a united front, behind donald trump, another member of that family is now publicly breaking ranks. bring trump the third, the son of trump's older brother, fred trump junior and brother of frequent critic, mary trump, has now come out in support of, lane harris. the endorsement comes as fred trump releases a new memoir, which has the title, all in the family. the trump said how we got this way. in the book, fred takes readers behind the seam of the family

dynamic that he says helped create the former president and fred joins us now, here onset. good to see you. >> congratulations on the book. >> thank you. >> let's start simply with this, why now? why start now? >> there are two reasons, and we haven't started now, lisa and and i have been advocating for people with intellectual develop in disabilities, our young son, william, has complex disabilities. we have been doing so through the legislative and through the executive branch. during don't's term with cabinet secretaries and a meeting that culminated in may of 2020 in the oval office. so, we haven't just started. we waited for the book, we wanted to wait for william to become settled in a new home environment. he doesn't live with us now, he lives in a group where he wanted to be settled, but we've been thinking about this for a while. >> tell us more about what

donald trump has said about william penn >> donald has never met william ever. and fact, no one in the trump family, other than two of my cousins have met william. so-- when he said what he did to me, when a fund that had been set up for william's health , for his therapeutic needs, and i just want to clear something up, the reason a fund existed is because donald orchestrated a plan to take my sister and me out of my grandfather's inheritance, which would go back days after william was released several weeks in hospital, allie, you will remember that in the city. you will remember donald was my trustee, he was my trustee, which meant he was supposed to protect me and my family.

he did the act opposite. so, the fund was my money, but i had to ask for it back, which was troubling. so, when the fund was running low, i called donald and i mentioned that and he said, your son doesn't recognize you, let him die and moved to florida. now, i don't know how you can explain that away. the cruelty of that comment. but as you will read in the family, he had said something very similar in our last oval office meeting with a group of advocates in the office, when everyone dispersed and said, those people, all of those expenses, they should just die. so, it is hard to wrap your head around that. >> we should note that donald trump dispute this account, he says i helped him so much, more than anyone else in his whole life and this is the thanks i get? eric trump took to twitter, x last night, saying, a disappointing effort, etc.

etc. that you have decided to cash in his words less than 100 days. talk to us about this family dynamic now and respond to what they are saying. >> the dynamic started when i was very young, when i was able to grasp it, and understand that i am one of the only people that knew donald in his formative years, through his business career and during his presidency and after. so i know donald as well as anybody. my father, his ulnar older brother, freddie, wanted nothing to do with the family business. but my grandfather was very tough. my father wanted to be an airline pilot an airline pilot in the early 60s. but donald, who was given the path by my father to do what he

wanted to do, to run the family business just demeaned my father, for no reason, other than his need to feel superior to other people. and that led to issues with my dad, unfortunately. people will say, this is like the success of television joined i say no, it really isn't. in succession there were three siblings that wanted to take over the father's did business. my dad wanted no part of it. my dad wanted to be an airline pilot and became that. again, he gave donald the path, but donald crushed him. >> fred, i want to go back to what you are saying about your son and donald trump's reaction , because one of the things that strikes me and as you know, i have known donald trump for a while. is that the insensitivity that i might have marched in terms of central park five is one

thing, but to be insensitive to his own nephew's condition and it shows how he feels about people that have situations, like you and your wife are dealing with, that he really has no insensitivity toward people that are suffering or find themselves in a different situation, which is scary, if you are going to make and president of the united states. talk about just his lack of humanity insensitivity. >> well, i was listening to the segment before, with senator kelly. and the immigration policy and how donald and the new republicans, the republican party which is not the republican party i remember, just-- everybody is a rapist everybody is a criminal. the way i answer that question is, the caregivers that take care i son, william, for many of the same countries. they care for him every single

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conversations from the past two days that we wanted to highlight . strike a deal would not have been made possible with our allies. germany, poland, they all stepped up and they stood with us. they stood with us. they made bold and brave decisions. for prisoners being held in their country, unjustifiably being held. and providing logistical support to get the americans home. for anointed questions whether allies matter, they do. they matter. today is a powerful example of why it is vital to have friends in this world. friends you can trust. work with and depend upon. especially in matters of grave consequences and sensitivities like this. our alliances, make our people safer. and we will see that again today. let me say this, it says a lot

about the united states that we work relentlessly to free americans, who are unjustly held around the world. it also says a lot that this deal includes the release of russian political prisoners. they stood up for democracy and human rights. their own leadership with them in prison and the united states help secure the release as well. that is who we are in the united states. we stand for freedom, and liberty, for justice, not only for our own people, but for others as well. and that is why all americans can take pride in what we have achieved today. >> i am hit by two things are doing reporting on this. the president talks about the importance of her -- of alliances and many fellow nations stepped up and now the chancellor of germany ed he was personal friends and for this i will do it. and how the president in the final weeks, close the deal as his own presidential campaign was faltering. just an hour before, an hour

before he announced he would not seek the election while he was recovering distilled were beach house with covid and that is what he called the prime minister of slovenia, to get that piece of the puzzle done to be forward. the president still keeping his promises to these american families and american hostages as he is putting an end to his own political future. let's bring in eugene. managing editor, sam. richard. michael. and james. admiral, we will start with you on what you saw yesterday. the importance of alliances and what was an historic david biggest prisoner swap since the cold war. >> quite remarkable across the board and i have been in and

out of andrews air force base so many times i cannot think of a better day on the tarmac. at andrews air force base, which is seen more than its share of dignified transfers and new arrival of various heads of state. a marvelous moment to see this and you are showing some spectacular photos right now. and a point that hit me, we think of nato, correctly as a war fighting alliance and we go to war and we are in afghanistan, syria, iraq, and we fight alongside each other. here is an example of an alliance practicing diplomacy together. and doing it both at scale across all of these nations to pulled together, but also doing it retail. making sure we bring out these americans and i love the point the president made that these are also russian dissidents, who are being taken out.

that is standing up and walking the walk for america. and third and finally, you kind of asked the question, why now? why did this all come together? there is never a specific answer to that, i think that vladimir putin heard the election coming and i think secondly there is a sense of all of us coming together in the west at the moment because of ukraine and thirdly, in any negotiation there is a critical mass moment, when the dealmakers sit around the table and close the switch. jonathan, you are right to highlight joe biden in his personal ability to do that. i saw it on full display when i was supreme allied commander and he had come in as the vice president. we really saw a master diplomat at work. very good day for america.

>> richard, watching the footage last night of these reunions at joint base andrews, which is where air force one is, it is hard not to be emotional, especially at the hug between evan and his mother. she worked tirelessly to keep his story front and center and advocate for his release. give us your thoughts as to what this means. >> to me, an interesting moment was jake sullivan, the national security adviser getting emotional talking about it. when you're in the foreign- policy business, so much of what you do has an abstraction in your talking about deterrence and national interest. people involved in this, the present, vice president, secretary of state, national security advisor, this had kind of a detail about it. this was not an obstruction. tony blinken, the secretary of state would carry in his pocket a card with the list of names of americans. i think for a lot of them, this was different. this was different.

this was not balance of power, this was people and something they felt a real personal commitment to get done. the other side of the personal thing, we talked about relationships really matter. the idea that the chancellor of germany did not want to do this, did not want to release a russian hitman, which was the reason putin seems to want the deal, but he did it because of the larger relationship, that is what alliances are meant to be. alliances are not transactional relationships. alliances are relationships where you think big, you think long-term and even if you sometimes disagree on the immediate, you say to yourself, i will put that a little bit on the side because i have such a larger stake in this relationship, i am willing to play the long game. it is interesting because we don't always see it. i thought this is interesting in the context of a lot of middle east news, with the united states, frustrated with relationship with its ally, israel.

but again, this to me was an interesting moment where, very quickly, jonathan, this has been cooking for a long time. sometimes in diplomacy you make things more possible by adding to it. with think of reducing it. but, no. dozens of people and a half dozen of countries, an old ploy in diplomacy is when you cannot get somewhere, sometimes you add to the mix rather than subtract in that gives everybody a stake in it. end really happen here. >> there had been a mentor for a deal that would have involved the russian dissident but after he died that was seen as a set back. richard come you mentioned the emotional moment with jake sullivan and let's watch that here. >> from the president on down we have stayed in regular and routine touch with them. i spent a lot of time with the families of evan and paul and alsu kurmasheva. you can imagine those are tough conversations but not today, today, excuse me, today was a

very good day. >> we are seeing jake sullivan, the national security advisor, briefing the press yesterday, after the exchange happened in turkey and a third-party country and from turkey the americans flew back here to the states. certainly, we have been saying to start the show, a real triumph of diplomacy yesterday.>> absolutely. i want to go back to something that richard said, sometimes you have a problem that you are having problems solving a sometimes the way to solve it is to make it bigger. and they did this and i believe the russians released something like 16 people, all told the allies released eight. it was an enormously complicated deal.

the pure joy we saw last night, when those families were reunited, is something that, you know, i will never forget and i just think that, you could just see how the principles who were involved in this, sullivan, the president, the vice president, the secretary of state, how personally invested they were bringing these americans home. and i will say a word about journalism and about the fact that evan gershkovich and alsu kurmasheva and really, the russian dissident who were involved, they were all journalists and what they were doing, was writing and speaking truth. and that is not a crime. that

cannot be a crime and i am so, so happy that they are home. >> sam, you interviewed way too early on a report from the wall street journal and it is worth everybody reading that tiktok in the wall street journal and it is incredibly detailed and reads like a combination of a spy novel and a master class in diplomacy and his mother's commitment and the role she played was not something we had all appreciated but talk a little bit, picking up on what he just said, the power of the wall street journal and the journalistic community after evan was arrested, in keeping all of these prisoners named in the public eye, it seems to me that if evan had not had that bag of power behind him from the journalistic community, i don't know that we would be where we are today, but it really was -- this is a tribute to everything the general day to make sure he was not forgotten. >> i think that is 100% accurate. >> we have lots to get to this

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we have new reaction from a member of congress to represents paul whelan's home state of michigan, following his release and that prisoner exchange between the u.s., russia, and several other nations. democratic congress moment of michigan called it happy news but said it is a reminder that we face a dangerous and unprincipled adversary in vladimir putin because he uses innocent americans as pawns. she joins us now and she is a member of the house armed services committee and a firmer cna and listen a candidate for the u.s. senate in michigan. good to see you this morning. let's get you to expand more on the point. great news for these americans. but you correctly point out that

we should also be drawing some warning signs. >> yeah. paul whelan is from michigan and he hit michigan soil yesterday and his family is elated and our whole state is elated. the work that his family did to keep his story alive, particularly his sister is one for the books. we are super excited for him. him for his whole family. but i think it is a reminder that flat america, it is not that paul was up against some sort of espionage charge, that was anything other than fake or falsified. he will take americans and hold them against their will and use them in order to get the pieces of the chessboard he wants. it is a good reminder to those who i feel like are constantly trying to appease putin and trying to see up to him and to see him as an ally or a partner to the united states.

understand who you're dealing with. people tell you who they are and putin uses americans as hostages and as pawns. >> we know donald trump has had often tied words for vladimir putin. speaking of trump, let's talk the campaign. there is a lot of worry in recent months from officials in michigan. as the polls in that state show the troubles ahead of president biden. now, we have the race reshape with vice president harris to be a top the ticket for democrats. talk to us about what you are seeing your state, how is that going? >> the most probable things changing is the energy. immediately, the monday after the announcement, i was at the airport flying to d.c. for a vote and the plane that landed ahead of me was full of university of michigan students and they saw me and recognized me and said, congresswoman, it is exciting. our friends are registering and everyone is getting excited. that was my first taste that

the energy had really shifted in the room. it has been gangbusters. i have been knocking on doors in detroit and flint and people are super excited and interested and i did a big event at university of michigan stadium where we had 600 union guides, building trade guys, they are in it because they feel like we can go on offense and prosecuting the case against donald trump. it has been an amazing shift. it does not mean it will be easy and i think the message we have been telling everyone, look, we are excited. voter turnout will be stronger, but in swing states, independent voters are critical. you don't just win on democrats alone in the swing states. we have to four people and make that case two independent voters which is a very typical election in a place like michigan. >> congresswoman, you are running against the former chairman of the house intelligence committee for the senate seat, how is your race going and what is mike rogers saying about you? >> yeah. we officially have our primary on tuesday.

all expectations is that will be me against him. i mean, book, i think the hardest thing for many of us to watch is the way that people pledge to donald trump. even those who criticized him in the past, potentially thinking about running against him in the presidential race, to watch this 180 degree turn of someone, who in order to get the support for his primary, did whatever donald trump asked them to do and i think that is the difference. if you look at what has happened over the past four weeks, democrats struggled. we were, in turmoil, dealing with the top of the ticket issues we were concerned about but we dealt with them and had a conversation and we dealt with it. president biden did this whole rogue thing, while he was negotiating a hostage deal by the way, announced he would come down, not run again and the top of the ticket on the other side of the aisle, all it

is is fealty. that is the big delta. we will have that conversation play out over the next 90 days and we have a sprint toward the general election. i just try to focus on what i am doing and what i care about and in a place like michigan, the existential issue about whether we will have a strong middle-class, it is what people are talking about. that is what we tend to focus on. meat and potatoes, kitchen table issues.>> thank you so much for joining us this morning. >> thank you. ahead on 'morning joe: weekend', center mark kelly of arizona who is on the shortlist to become kamala harris is running mate will join us. we will ask about that, next.

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trump in addition to attacking the deal he doubled down on his false accusations that vice president harris is

lying about her race. during an appearance at the national association of black journalists conference this week, trump claimed that america's first black vice president, "became black. harris is biracial. she has always been biracial and born to a jamaican father and an indian mother. the backlash to trump's comments are swift with many drawing parallels to trump's earlier birth conspiracy series against former president barack obama. on his truth social pages today, trump continued to question her identity. and one post, you see it, he included an old photo of kamala harris his family in traditional indian attire writing this, thank you kamala for the nice picture you sent for many years ago. your warmth, friendship and love of your indian heritage are very much appreciated. in another post, trump included a clip of an interview that harris did with indian american actress, and caption it, "crazy

kamala saying she is indian, not to block. this is a big deal. stone cold, phony. everybody, she uses everybody including her racial identity in this clip, harris said looks like, "one half of her family. she made the point. she is proud of her indian heritage and also proud of being a black woman and she always has been. these attacks are offensive, they are racist. they also seem deeply ineffective. >> absolutely. calling donald trump a racist at this point is like saying, there is a deal. it has no effect in some ways. let's be clear. by him saying this it makes the choice start. are we going to double down on a few of america in which race is used as a divider, where we have these reckless appeals to grievance and hatred, or will we finally leave the 19th and

20th century behind? here we are in 2024, john. a candidate for the presidency of the united states is making these ignorant comments. revealing he has no understanding of how race works in the united states. he has no understanding how at the city works within black communities in the united states and people are finding this, at least one people are finding this appealing. we have to respond to it accordingly. it is ignorant, it is hateful, it is racist. but it is also donald trump and his on the ballot. where we land? which america will you choose? >> it is all of that plus maybe a little more. the issue is raised quite cogently a couple minutes ago, why is it incapable of the donald trump to say in hostage release that, this is great. good luck to them. i am happy they are home. he cannot.

and he cannot let kamala harris go. he cannot let that go. why? not because it is politics, not just because he is filled with hate and envy, i think, and i would submit, i don't know if you agree or not, he is a badly, deeply, damaged individual. >> program. >> i would absolutely agree. beneath all the bluster, who am i to diagnose him, i am not a psychologist. there is clearly some deep insecurity and feeling of inadequacy that causes him to continually lash out and puff himself up and adopt this air of infallibility which is absurd . but that is who he is. i think he is a really, really damaged person. and because of that and for a lot of other reasons, he is really dangerous. he prove that in four years as president and he would prove it

again, if you are ever allowed near the white house again. this is not a well man.>> the dangerous part is also, a consistent thing, you have someone running for president who is in some ways unwilling and unable to put the country first. and we see that in the ungenerous reaction to getting these americans home. it is a good thing for the country. maybe it is not a good thing for his political campaign but there is something else going on. it is good for the country and good for these families and there is a consistent pattern, and inability to put anything other than himself first. and that is what were saying in capital letters. >> for trump, campaign comes to for country. no question. coming up. president biden proposes major reforms to the supreme court. some of which, democratic congresswoman of new jersey had proposed herself recently. we will speak with her, next.

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president biden criticizing the recent supreme court ruling on presidential immunity as a call for an overhaul of the high court yesterday. along with a constitutional amendment limiting the powers of the presidency. as you might expect, reaction is pouring in from across capitol hill.

house speaker mike johnson was the statement reads in part, president biden's proposal to radically overhaul the u.s. supreme court would tilt the balance of power and the road not only the rule of law but the american people's faith in our system of justice. and senate minority leader mitch mcconnell slammed biden's proposal as a, "full-scale attack on the justices. >> the president is actually imposing a stealth process for people other than the justices to decide cases. again, constitution be . >> meanwhile, democratic lawmakers appraising the president's call for major reforms including our next guest. democratic congresswoman of new jersey. introduced a supreme court ethics bill last month as the high court's approval ratings remain rock-bottom, following a series of controversial decisions in recent years.

and the congresswoman joins us now. she is a member of the house armed services committee. thank you for joining us this morning. let's start with your reaction to what the president had to say yesterday. on the idea of the amendment to overturn the presidential immunity decision but also the need for ethics and term limits for justices. >> i think it is wonderful to see the president taking such a leadership role in this critical area. as you pointed out, this is some of the legislation i helped to lead in the house of representatives where we have been fighting to have ethics reform to give basic ethics training to our supreme court justices and their spouses. to have an independent group that can help with investigations, at the supreme court and make a report to congress. as we have seen, again and again and again, this is a court that is lost the faith of the american people. we see it in these partisan decisions, such as attacking gun safety.

give me almost unlimited power to the president of the united states contrary to our view of a democratic form of government. taking away roe v. wade after many of the same justices who overturned that with president trump's leadership, had testified before the senate that they thought it would be settled law, law of the land. all of this breeds a sense of partisanship in the court that the american people see the court as out of step and wonder what the ethics breaches like thomas and alito taking these whose gifts or $500,000 vacations on fishing trips to alaska, paid for by people who have business before the court, this really breeds many questions and what is striking to me is the people attacking, the very people attacking this court reform are two of the people that have done quite a bit of damage to the court themselves, whether it is mcconnell who refused to allow the president to appoint a supreme court justice because he wanted to wait until he could

get a republican president to do that. or whether it was speaker johnson who himself put forth an amicus brief attacking with unfounded allegations the misinformation attacking our very democratic election before the court. this is something that i think the american people will welcome and i really want to give credit to president biden for bringing this issue to the forefront. >> congresswoman, this is gene robinson. i am old enough to remember that when i was a kid we would drive around the home state of south carolina and you see big billboards that said impeach earl warren. so many white southerners were upset with the groundbreaking decisions that supreme court headed by chief justice warren had made. chief among them is brown versus board of education in 1954, which basically put the

nail in the coffin of jim crow and segregation. or at least started the process. in the south. how do you respond to people who would say that, block, this is a mirror image of that. this is progressives upset with a very conservative court that is making decisions that people like you and i might not like, but the way to change that is to go through the process and overtime change the composition of the court as conservatives did all to successfully, and then you can get some of this reversed. how do you respond to that? >> i think this is very different. i think you're talking about two separate and important issues. one of them, goes to the ethical lapses on the court which is very different from what you are discussing, right. when you're talking about justices who are accepting rvs

or fishing trips in alaska at exclusive and luxurious hotels from people who have business before the court, i would say as a former federal prosecutor, is a lapse of ethics and something that should be investigated. and the justices should recuse themselves or be held accountable or both. and you are also talking about the sense that, you can somehow get your partisan will before the court. you can make up a court that is going to an act your partisan will not enact the law or not find cases according to the law of the land but according to the political beliefs they hold and that is also a problem, which is why this is so cool reform in this judicial reform is to the heart of how are we eputy justices. we have seen republicans to your point, game of the system. looking at things they did not like in deciding, okay.

we will game the system and we will appoint justices. we will get them on the bench despite whatever testimony they have, before the senate, as they get appointed we will build a bench that will overturn roe versus wade and we will do it sometime when, for example, we have a democratic president, which my comedy, we will say he cannot appointed justice. we will wait until the next president so we can hopefully build that bench we like. and this type of reform corrects that as well by saying, okay. we will have each president appoint two justices. we would just have term limits so that they are rotating so nobody can game the system like that and we can have a more fair process and hopefully a less partisan courts because i'm old enough to remember after 9/11 when it was a very, very difficult to speak out against torture and rendition

and guantanamo and if you did, people would suggest you are somehow anti-american are not fighting the fight hard enough and well enough and yet it was our supreme court that actually was the one body of our government that really was able to make some changes to have decisions that were seen by, i think the american people withstood until today, were seen as more fair and more promoting of our values and that is a course we don't recognize right now. still ahead. our interest rate cuts on the horizon as inflation shows signs of cooling? morning joe economic analyst and his charts. we will break it all down. un nal movements in his face, hands, and feet called tardive dyskinesia, or td. so his doctor prescribed austedo xr— a once-daily, extended-release td treatment for adults. ♪ as you go with austedo ♪ austedo xr significantly reduced dan's td movements. some people saw a response as early as 2 weeks. with austedo xr, dan can stay on his mental health meds—

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the federal reserve do not yesterday that interest rates would remain steady through august. the 5.3% interest rate is at a 23 year high.

chairman jerome powell hinted that a rate reduction may happen in september, a month away. as inflation continues to cool down. if the central bank lowest interest rates, it would be the first cut since march of 2020. the beginning of the covid-19 pandemic. joining us now, former treasury official and morning joe economic analyst. steve, great to see you. jerome powell, how much of a rate cut could we see in september? >> the fed typically cuts rates about a quarter of a point at time but what is important it would be the beginning of a process of rates coming down. what am showing you is a comparison between what the fed said in june about the path of rates to be compared with the market things today. because we have had very good inflation numbers and so we are actually more optimistic today about rates than they were back in june. it shows a rate cut to 5% this year, which would apply actually two cuts and then continued decline all the way down to 3.5% or so by the

middle of next year. this is really good news for the biden administration. high interest rates have been tough for consumers and for businesses and having a rate cut before the election, would be really good news. the fed emphasized yesterday it is not in the political business, it is watching the economy, not the election and this is really about the economy that has the side benefit. why is the fed able to cut rates? inflation has come down faster than most of us thought it would. this is the fed's preferred index, different from the cpi but the same idea and if you look at we have gotten to 2.5% inflation in the most recent reading about the 2% target and the fed feels like it has in scope in starting to cut rates. september is a couple months away and we have to see how things unfold. >> you would not be surprised to learn that donald trump is suggesting that the fed is playing politics and urging him not to cut rates before november.

let's go to the next chart, it shows economic growth is really strong. >> that is the other thing we have learned in the last couple weeks. the economy is performing better than we thought it was likely to be. we had a gdp number the other day at a 2.8% annual rate and there was well above the projection of a 2% rate and this is again, a very strong signal. and jobs, we created more jobs in the 3 1/2 years of the biden administration that any president since before reagan. and the great american jobs machine continues. >> lastly, you have a chart about the labor market cooling.>> we want to also recognize that just as the economy remains very strong, there were signs of the high interest rates, the general can make cycle have begun to cool the economy a little bit. the unemployment rate has been picking up a bit up to 4.1%. this is still considered to be

a very low unemployment rate. it does suggest that there is some cooling going on as you can see from this upwards trend. another way to look at the labor market is comparing the number of job openings to the number of people looking for jobs. this is the number of job openings and this is the number of people looking for jobs. you can see as we came out of the pandemic, as many of us certainly saw, we had a huge number of job openings, relative to the number of people looking and it was hard for employers to find people to fill those jobs. we are getting closer. we are just about, .9 ratio and back to some kind of equilibrium. let's comment on one other related thing. the chart is a coincidence. donald trump yesterday said that immigrants were stealing americans jobs and that is not the truth. that is far from the truth. the point i'm trying to make is we have more jobs than we have people looking for jobs and they are not stealing jobs. in fact, part of why we have had

the strong job growth i showed you a minute ago is because we actually have this unusually high rate of immigration and we have had people coming in the workforce, filling these jobs and creating jobs and that it's been a good thing for the economy and for america. >> there were so many studies now that show in the cards increase gdp rather than the opposite, almost across-the- board. thank you for joining us. coming up. best selling author join us for their latest a book. stay with us. hellooo new apartment. one bank for now. for later. for life. chase. make more of what's yours. subway is offering 20% off any sub, any size whooo! 20% off subs is fun to say 20% off subs are fun to eat you'll love 20% off subs the point is, any sub any size. 20% off at subway

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who are you? ♪ >> daddy. >> sugar. ♪ >> i know who you are. lead investigator on the case. metro pd's golden boy. >> you can call me detective alex cross. >> that was a look at the upcoming amazon prime series titled come across it is based on detective alex cross, the character from the series of books from the best-selling author james patterson. earlier this month variety reported another book by patterson and a co-author titled, 12 months to live, is also getting the television treatment with renie zellweger slated to play the lead role.

here are those best-selling authors tony is now. today the much-anticipated sequel is out and titled, hard to kill. thank you for being here. let's start with the book and we can get to tv in a moment. tell us about the new thriller.>> he says it is his favorite character, and if is favorite, it is my. she has some health challenges and 12 months to live but she is on the comeback trail. she is still representing one of the worst people ever created . she had gotten acquitted from a triple homicide. >> we would like harvey from suits to play that. it would be perfect. >> we got renie zellweger. we insisted on someone would not just one mac one academy

award. someone who has two. he thinks he is a casting agent. >> renie grabbed onto this early. because, in my mind, these characters jump off the page are rare and cross is one of those and i think she jumps off the page and that is how renie and the producer read the first book and a set of want to play this character. >> cancer diagnosis and biggest case of her life and she gets the guy acquitted and gets charged with another triple homicide. somebody's trying to kill him and somebody is trying to kill her. >> it sounds like there are plenty of plot twists. have a question about your process. if i could get in on this best selling series, of course. you have written so many books yourselves, in solitude. what is it like working

together and what is it like?>> every show on television has a writers room. this is a writers room. mike and i literally talk, we talk six times a day. we go back and forth, mostly about the boat and i get emails or whatever. we just go back and forth. >> we met at a bar. we are not proud of this. >> we are proud of it. >> how did it come about? >> we met at a bar. we started talking and we started talking about kids books and then we went to an adult book and now -- >> i thought to myself, it is time to give back. what the writer could give a boost to. >> right. >> you know, paying it forward. >> you wanted to mentor.

>> helping out the guy who sells more books than anybody on the planet.>> james, we talk a little about casting. this character is near and dear to your heart. how involved are you in the process and what is it like to see. >> when they put women's murder club on abc, i thought it was all wrong. not the cast but the script. it was painful to watch. with the cross thing, the involvement has been nice. he is a good actor. and renie is spectacular. you think about the parts she has done. i cannot wait to see what she will do with this part. and also we have the showrunner . >> david kelly. >> mickey johnson. >> helping out. >> mickey johnson, -- >> this

is someone who will make you cheer. you cheer. woman who is-- >> fundraising. >> funny, loyal, resilient and if you love the first one you will love the second one. wi >> there's so much coming from you guys, but let's head right there. best-selling book, hard to kill. james patterson, great to see you. >> you guys are very kind. that's it for us this weekend. we will be back monday morning at 6:00 a.m. joe and tony will be here. msnbc's the weekend is next. good morning everyone, it is sunday, august 4th,