ng in tight on the line. team usa, what a run! it's gold for team usa. noah lyles with another gold medal. in case there was any doubt, who was the breakout star of these world championships. so i just got checked by simone. that doesn't this weekend, folks, this sunday morning. this is such a great weekend for us and we will see you back here next saturday at 8:00 a.m. eastern and be sure, we love it when you follow us on social media. velshi continues coverage, as always, because he is at ali velshi. take it away, my friend. >> i was loving your conversation about divided government. it made me think of

parliamentary systems. when they were, you bring all the bums and once after them all out if you don't like them every four years and you have an opposition. what sometimes happens is you get a minority government so that government has to incorporate with others but they make decisions. it doesn't always work coming to places like israel where nobody can get a majority say you have turnover but it is an interesting way to think about it with an elected government, they do your bidding or whatever you think the bidding is for four years and if you like it, you can re-elect them and if you don't like it you can get rid of them. >> and to that point, what we have convinced americans to do, is we will split it. give one party the presidency and the other the chambers. and it will all come together and what we've seen over -- is not doing it anymore. primaries and politics, are fracturing that process even further. >> he might be fractured if you don't let ali get to his job. >> i appreciate it.

velshi starts now. good morning, sunday august 4th. 92 days until election day. kamala harris has been at the top of the ticket for two weeks and sometime in the next two days we will learn her pick for a running mate. there's been reporting on everything from brett best trips to dog walking but all we know for certain it is down to these top six contenders and the "new york times" reports at least three of them come arizona senator mark kelly, minnesota governor tim walz and pennsylvania governor shapiro are scheduled to meet with harris today at her residence at the naval observatory in washington according to several people who were briefed on the plans. meanwhile donald trump is backing out of the previously agreed-upon abc presidential debate that was set to take place september the 10th. and you may have been confused by this over the last 24 hours, and in classic trump fashion he

is pretending it is harris he doesn't want to debate. until this weekend, trump refused to say whether he would show up september 10th after harris replaced biden at the top of the ticket. now he says he will not participate in that september 10th debate but adds harris will surely not debate him on september 4th in pennsylvania on fox news. an event that was not previously agreed-upon or scheduled and in fact when he seems to have invented himself on a social media platform. among reasons trump said harris won't to debate him quote, there's no way she can justify her years long fight to stop the words merry christmas. i will see her september 4th or i won't see her at all, and". trump resurrected this decades- old war on christmas stroke multiple times during a belligerent truth social posting spree which began during a flight delay on his way to atlanta yesterday. his first stop was a roundtable discussion with black business people, notably he didn't question their race when he falsely question kamala harris'

racial identity multiple times during an appearance at the annual convention of the national association of black journalists a few days ago. after the roundtable, trump went to a rally and i want to play you a little bit of what you said. i want to acknowledge sometimes you don't like it when we play donald trump's stuff because it is full of lies and nonsense. but we do need to hear this. we are not playing it for entertainment. we all need to be aware of what the man that could be next president is saying and how he conducts himself. for instance, he still doesn't know kamala harris' name. >>, la, there's 19 ways of saying and she likes three. she wants the government to stop people from eating red meat. she wants to get rid of house. she doesn't want anybody saying merry christmas. now she's denying it. hillary got bruce springsteen -- the place was pretty fall. not full like our places are full. i don't have a guitar. i don't have a guitar. atlanta is like a killing field.

you go to the store, i want to buy a loaf of bread, darling. you come back, i'm sorry but your husband has been killed. if kamala harris wins it will be crime, chaos and death across our country. a lot are coming from the congo, from presence. where you come from? the congo. what is your address, we live in a prison. what did you do? murderer. he got hit on the knee with something. i think a hand grenade that didn't go off. remember him with a shaved head -- ding, ding, shaved his head. how do i look? great. he goes down, hand grenade hits them. how do i look, darling? you look great. >> that last roof was me being hit by rubber billet in minneapolis in 2020 and i was hit not by a rubber billet or tear gas as he said in the past but by a grenade. in addition to an extreme amount of nonsense which lasted 90 minutes and also included trump saying the georgia university administration was to blame for the arena not

being filled because they are preoccupied with crowd size and mentioning hillary clinton by name eight times. trump endlessly repeated false election flawed -- fraud claims and went after george's republican governor and secretary of state name. there's an argument to be made despite the hatred and vitriol and endless lies and dizzying amount of digressions, that everyone really should watch one of these our plus diatribes. democracy may depend on it. 20 mia democratic senator chris van hollen of maryland. he's member of multiple committees. good to have you, i am sorry to debase you with a conversation about deranged diatribes that donald trump gives across the country. they are maddening, they are difficult to watch, they are distraction from work we have to do. as a country. that it is important to not look away because he saying this stuff daily. >> while you are right.

look, these are getting so old and i really believe that his electorate is shrinking. he is doing nothing to change that. is important that people know how unhinged he has because clearly there are people who are paying attention and trying to make a decision in this election. so you are right and in that sense, people need to understand just how crazy donald trump is. obviously that has been part of his formula in the past but i do note he has degraded himself even more. it is hard to believe you could lower the bar on donald trump but he seems to be accomplishing that. >> lets turn to vice president harris enter search for a running mate. there's different reporting. anything you know or are thinking about in terms of the choice? she seems to have good options but what do you think about today? >> i agree she has lots of good options.

the person at the top of the ticket is obviously going to be vice president harris, a contest between her and donald trump. my view on vice president joe pics is they rarely make a big, positive difference. but a bad decision can hurt you. they can be a drag. j.d. vance, for example, or sarah palin, when john mccain picked her. that is why bedding is so important. that is ongoing right now because the last thing you want to do is spend your first few days after the announcements trying to defend something that someone has said and done. so i think they've got a lot of good choices. i think the vetting will hopefully crystallize the decision. >> it is interesting to see, donald trump sort of flailing in the last couple of weeks. they seem to have a consistent message about joe biden for better or for worse. everything they are trying with senator kamala harris, the mocking her, the memes, doesn't

seem to be landing for whatever reason. kamala harris is leaning into a message of hope and the future, and it is making donald trump look like his vision for the future arnold creek -- increasingly dark and grim. >> that is exactly right, because elections at the end of the day, are about the future and vice president harris is putting forward a positive vision for the future, and donald trump just shows that he wants to drag the country back into some previous century and i'm not even talking about the 20th century. so i think the contrast is becoming clearer every day, which is exactly why donald trump is trying to back out of the debate. that you are talking about. he does not want to be debating vice president harris, because he is scared to be on the same stage and have those different visions, his very dark backwards vision contrasted with her

hopeful forward-looking one. >> how do you square that, with the discussion that you and i have often and have to have about the existential danger of our democracy in america if donald trump gets elected. because of the things he's done and promised to do with the idea that you put that into the rearview mirror and start to think about what america can do together, the message kamala harris has gotten. they are different ideas, they appeal to different parts of the brain and types of people. >> well what we expect, donald trump to do in the future, is based on what he did in the past, on steroids. so i do think when you're talking about the future, we have exhibit a from his conduct in the past and his current statements, as to just how he's going to destroy our democracy, to take away our freedoms

including reproductive rights. so i do think, the vice president is doing a good job and can do even more going forward about connecting the danger that we know donald trump will pose based on his actual words and conduct in the white house, and since, with her positive vision of more freedom for americans, protecting our democracy and making sure everybody gets a fair shake and making sure that families and kids have opportunities. we had this vote in the senate just this last week, to give families with kids, working, struggling families tax credits. j.d. vance didn't even show up. >> senator, you are on the foreign relations committee. this is a big week for relations with the prisoner swap. generally speaking, wherever you are on the political -- on the political spectrum you should have been able to look

this week and say it was a good thing. let's listen to what donald trump had to say about it. >> you know, by the way, we like to congratulate vladimir putin for having made yet another great deal. did you see the deal we made? look, we want to get people in them. we have 59 hostages, never -- they released some of the greatest killers anywhere in the world, some of the most evil killers, they've got. and we got our people back boy, we made horrible, horrible deals. >> that deal that we got our people back with was an historic, multinational really complicated prisoner swap, the largest and most significant since the cold war. on one hand i don't care what donald trump says about it. on the other hand people listen to him and i don't know if they are fully reading the story,

the people listening to him about why you need allies, why you need relationships because we would not have been able to get that done without our relationships and li ships. >> that is exactly right. make no mistake, we know exactly who vladimir putin is rooting for him in the next election, he's rooting for donald trump because donald trump was the guy who was willing to throw our allies and nato partners under the bus. despite the fact you have putin and his aggression against the people of ukraine. what joe biden and kamala harris did, as soon as they got to the white house was begin to repair those very broken relationships with our allies, and here in the prisoner exchange, you can see how valuable those relationships have been and how valuable restoring those relationships have been, because that helped produce this, the calls to

chancellor scholz, the calls to the prime minister of slovenia that both president biden and vice president harris were involved with, those calls and meetings. >> senator, good to see you. thank you for joining us, democratic senator chris van hollen of maryland. coming up, new reporting on the decision with democratic nominee meeting with some of the top contenders today and we are going to shift focus from harris' running mate to trump's found himself under a cat hill of controversy. we explain what happens if trump has second thoughts about his vp, next. vp, next. thank y. (kevin) now our businesses get fast and reliable internet from the same network that powers our phones. (aaron) so whatever's next... we're cooking with fire. (vo) switch to the partner businesses rely on. why use 10 buckets of water when you can use 1 fire extinguisher. and to fight heartburn, why take 10 antacids throughout the day when you can take 1 prilosec. for easier heartburn relief, one beats ten.

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historically the vice president come in terms of the election, does not have any impact. virtually no impact. you have two or three days were there's commotion as to who you are having on the democrat side, who is going to be, and

then that dies down and it is all about the presidential pick. >> donald trump last week making the argument the second name on the presidential ticket, the vice presidential pick doesn't matter, that it will have no effect whatsoever on either campaign. according to an abc news poll taken at the end of july, donald trump's running mate j.d. vance is the first vp nominee to have a negative favorability coming right out of his party's convention. that sour taste could have something to do with all of this. >> there something comparable, either between abortion and slavery. >> one of the great tech -- t- rex the sexual revolution pulled on the american populace which is the idea that these marriages were fundamentally, they were maybe even violent but certainly unhappy and so getting rid of them, and making it easier for people to shipped spouses like they change their underwear, that is going to make people happy over the long- term. >> let's say roe v. wade is

overruled, and then every day, george soros sends a 747 to columbus to load up disproportionately like women to get them to go have abortions in california. the left will celebrate this as a victory for diversity. >> we are burning this country via democrats, via corporate oligarchs by childless cat ladies who are miserable by the choices they have made and they want to make the rest of the comp -- the country miserable, too. >> the cup -- the unsavory remarks came before he was ever picked it to run alongside a trump. there's no secret the trump campaign should have known of his propensity to say racist, sexist stuff but proceeded without caution and now trump's running mate is historically unpopular and has been labeled as just plain weird. over the course of american history, presidential candidates have switched to

running mates prior to the election just five times. in 1864, president abraham lincoln swapped his vice president for the democrat, andrew johnson. lincoln was a republican. in 1872 and 1896 presidents ulysses grant and benjamin harrison both swapped their existing vice presidents out when they ran for second terms. that didn't happen for almost 50 years when in a 1940 resident franklin delano roosevelt swapped his vp for his third run for the presidency and when roosevelt ran for a fourth time in 1944 he swapped his vp out and this time for the missouri senator harry truman who would ultimately step in as president after roosevelt's death. those switches happened before the party's convention. the republican national convention has come and gone and the official nominee was donald trump and j.d. vance to the ticket. let's say hypothetically trump decided he and vance weren't a match made in heaven. trump could technically still choose a new running mate as long as it happens before state

filing deadlines to be on the ballot. each state's deadline is different but the earliest deadlines fall at the beginning of september and wouldn't be as simple as trump handpicking someone new and all of a sudden lawn signs change. according to the republican national committee rules adopted in 2020, vacancy of the presidential nominee or their running mate may be filled by the rnc or rnc could reconvene a national convention to vote for a replacement. but maybe not in this matters because as trump said last week the role of vice president doesn't matter. the other name on the ticket is irrelevant. but the choice for vice president does matter when you're dealing with somebody like j.d. vance who prioritizes the maga movement over pillars of democracy and embodiment of project 2025. the choice for vice president mattered on january 6, 2021 when vice president mike pence refused orders from the president and ultimately did his job and certified results

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he tried a thing where he was going to cancel weekend appearances ended and work so he's here with me. steve, let's talk about tim walz for a second. literally a name that most people were not talking about. even in terms of thinking about a potential presidential candidate. there are people who talked about josh shapiro for instance as a potential candidate in the future. this guy, walz, explodes on the scene after interviews went viral online. tell me what you think he brings to the ticket, if he gets picked. >> which resume and not only is he a popular governor in in the midwestern state, he has a military background, he has a background in congress. all the finalists for running mate, he's the only one who has won statewide office and served in the military and served in congress. so i think when you combine all of those things including his background as an educator, he

is a very strong contender and his audition could not have gone better over the last two weeks. >> and there's the top three and top six, we're talking about mark kelly of arizona, a senator and josh shapiro, former attorney general of pennsylvania, who not only has become governor but won that race really handily, he got far more of a lead over his opponent then joe biden did over donald trump in pennsylvania. >> i think that is driving things when it comes to the process of picking a running mate. by all appearances, pennsylvania will be the key battleground states in 2024 and given that fact, that josh shapiro is a popular governor, former prosecutor, he's charismatic, he's successful at fundraising. he had overwhelming victory when he ran for statewide office last time. the combination of factors has put him at the front of the process in terms of the six finalists. >> when you look at two states that are super important, pennsylvania and michigan, both states, michigan arguably has more of an issue right now with

democrats than pennsylvania does. in both states you have very popular governors who assuming they are campaigning for whatever the harris ticket is, will try and bring those states along into the democratic column. so how much does it matter that you get -- whoever is not in the running at the moment but with shapiro versus mark kelly, which is a more razor thin situation. >> it is such a complex dynamic we are dealing with right now. you mentioned earlier, you played a clip of trump saying running mate doesn't matter and in general, science largely back set up. recent election cycles, the running mate is not determinative in terms of who wins the race. but on the margin that does matter. arizona which is competitive and close, having mark kelly, if that as a point or two to the results it is a difference between eating and losing the state and winning and losing the presidency. same for josh shapiro in

pennsylvania. and savini is a key battleground state and could shapiro add two or three points in pennsylvania? probably. if that's the case, that's the difference between winning the state and winning the presidency. on one hand i am sympathetic to the cool side that tells us that running mates aren't all that important but on the other hand on the margins, it can matter. >> which by the way for the last 20 plus years in america, presidential elections tend to be won on the margins, more than not. so that becomes an interesting piece of math to include. how much of it is that? let's assume that they help on the margins. how much of that is electoral math versus whatever they can bring to the campaign, the energy that they bring, the fact the president and vice presidential candidate are simpatico. tell me how you gauge those. >> it is all about checking boxes, isn't it? at this point in the process,

the harris campaign is looking at six finalists. they are all very strong, they all have unique skills. they all have incredible diagrams and resumes that they bring to the table. as you noted we are dealing with all kinds of intangibles. do we want to have a prosecutor because we are -- we want somebody with regional balance in terms of geography. private sector background. all of these are complex in their own way and ultimately you are right. harris is going to say, who is the person i want by my side for the next four years, who's the last person in the room when i make decisions. those interpersonal connections make a significant difference when a candidate is looking at his or her choices so i don't envy kamala harris at this point of the process because she has -- the quality of her choices and it is going to come down to these intangibles that are hard to define and identify from the outside. >> i did anything about what would happen if trump didn't want j.d. vance on the ballot. it doesn't happen that often if

somebody replaces, but you want to try and have that candidate first do no harm, not shrink your base and that is a concern about j.d. vance, that he might be shrinking the base for donald trump on the margins. in terms of expanding the base, forgetting the electoral map, forgetting geography, in terms of expanding the actual base, does one of the potential pics stand out to you? >> i want to emphasize andy beshear, i don't necessarily think you will get the not that he's a governor of kentucky and of democrats are looking for somebody who can speak to red state voters and connect to them, andy beshear has had great success not only winning elections but as a popular and successful governor of kentucky in a state that we can unfairly say is handily in a donald trump's column. if andy beshear were on the ticket and can communicate the message to red state voters and conservative voters i think there's a consideration that it is one of the reasons he has

made the list of finalists in the first place. >> it is an interesting list. good to see you as always. i'm glad you didn't cancel your weekend appearances. political contributor and producer on the rachel maddow show and author of important book, the imposters how republicans quit governing and seized american politics. a note on saturday september the seventh, if you're in a new york you can attend msnbc live, democracy 2024. this is our premier live event in brooklyn, new york. it is the first of its kind in person interactive experience with some of your favorite hosts and experts including the , chris hayes, joy reid, keegan akin, michael steele and more. scan the qr code on your screen or buy your tickets online. i will see you there. coming up in september of 2021, after the taliban regained control of afghanistan, a photo -- a

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tell you a story about remarkable young people who would not let oppression until their passion. the afghan youth orchestra from the afghanistan organization of music was formed in 2010 and thrived under the u.s. backed government and stood as a symbol of change and progress in afghanistan with boys and girls playing together, touring the world to showcase the talents. of existence as an emblem of a new afghanistan also got them unwanted attention. the orchestra was not received well obviously by the taliban. the group targeted the children's orchestra in several attacks including a deadly suicide bombing. this month marks three years since united states pulled out of afghanistan and the taliban returned to power. since then women are banned from attending school, peering in a public without a male chaperone and are forced to wear clothing that completely covers their bodies. human rights relations have soared including torture, revenge killings, attacks on journalists and increasing child marriages and many forms

of entertainment like music have been banned, being labeled idolatrous, resulting with musical instruments being destroyed. with the taliban in charge, everyone enrolled in or employed by the ash understand national institute of music faced a dire future. in 2020 when they made a brave escape to a country far from home where they found survival, education, and music. the afghanistan national institute of music was able to rebuild in portugal and offer general education to kids as well as premier user training for students as old as 22 years old regardless of gender. or their social circumstances. or their ethnic background. this resilient group of musicians went from believing they could never play their instruments again to rebuilding their orchestra. they worked on western pieces original compositions, and afghan folk music on both western and traditional afghan instruments. afghan youth orchestra once again got to take their talents worldwide and spread a message of unity to restore the musical and cultural rights for all

afghan citizens. the youth orchestras resolute spirit has taken them all the way to one of the world's most prestigious stages, carnegie hall, here in a new york city where they will be performing wednesday. the taliban once tried to silence them. terror did not win. win. ♪ ♪ [music playing]

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order that created a new classification of government workers known as schedule f employees. that sounds rather harmless but in reality schedule f was an effort to drastically organize the government in order to give the president more power and control over the federal work force. anyone deemed to be a policy determining making or policy advocating position would be classified as a schedule f employee. as per trump's executive order, schedule f employees would lose civil service job protections which meant replacing them would become a lot easier. they would essentially become political appointees, hired and fired at the will of the president and possibly replaced by somebody who may not be equally or better qualified, but who won't question the trump administration's agenda or method of doing things. it is a system designed to reward loyalty over expertise. james sherk, who served in the trump white house and drafted the executive order said that his team quote, estimated the order would apply to about

50,000 employees in the executive branch out of 2.2 million. positions that could be lost by people loyal to the constitution of the united states and given to trump loyalists. some say that might even be a conservative estimate of the number of affected a place could be higher than that but because joe biden defeated donald trump in the 2020 election, because elections matter, schedule f never took effect. two days after biden took office, he revoked trump's executive order writing that not only was the patient of schedule f unnecessary to the conditions of good administration but undermined the foundations of the civil service and its merit system print. schedule f remains a cornerstone of a possible trump administration and project 2025 and reinstating it is a top party for both of them. >> here's my plan to dismantle the deep state and reclaim our

democracy from washington corruption, once and for all. and corruption it is. first, i will immediately reissue my 2020 executive order, restoring the president's authority to remove rogue bureaucrats and wheeled that power very aggressively. >> i will wield that power very aggressively. kevin roberts, president of the heritage foundation, the group behind project 2025 has echoed the sentiment, speaking of career civil servants that would be most affected. he told the "new york times" quote, we want them out of there, we want schedule f. meanwhile project 2025 is already preparing for the opportunity to get rid of schedule f employees and replace them with their own people. in fact project 2025 is already pre-vetted, thousands of prospective employees to ensure they are ideologically aligned

with the group. the qualification under the trump administration is not going to be that you are better for the job, it is that you are ideologically aligned. project 2025 has gone as far as to create an employment database described as conservative the -- conservative linkedin. personnel is policy, they learned during trump's first office you can do everything you want to do if you don't have the people to carry it out. they are not going to let that happen again. this time around they are making extremely sure the right people will be in the right position to carry out the exact agenda that they want to fulfill. after the break i am joined by olivia troy, former staffer in the trump administration. e tru . and special offers. don't miss out. get started today. (♪♪) when life spells heartburn... how do you spell relief? r-o-l-a-i-d-s

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joining me is olivia troy, former homeland security and counterterrorism adviser to mike hess and a member of republicans for harris. good to see you again. one of the things i learned from my parents, involved in politics since i was young, is in a functioning society the point of the civil service is that you can elect different leaders and they can come and go but the system stays relatively steady because experts generally speaking, were not driven by ideology keep the government working. project 2025 wants to undo that, largely. >> that is exactly it and as

someone who was a civil servant for a very long time, i started my career in republican politics, i was a bush or tate -- appointee back in the day and joined the civil service and intelligence community and served under the obama administration. i've got to tell you, the way that public service is painted now, that is not reality. not once did political partisanship enter my mind when i was working on a policy for the greater good of americans. i served in the department of defense, served in the department of homeland security, department of energy, every single day. my politics got up every single day and worked on policy and helped to support the american people, even in a crisis situation which is what the focus of the civil service does and it is expertise on how to make everything run so that when we have to respond to a crisis we know how to come together, we know how to actually discuss options and we can push out relief that is necessary for americans, if that is one of the things

needed. >> if you are thinking about a terrorist attack or thinking about a hurricane or noaa and predicting the weather, people have partisan views. everyone votes the way they vote what they want policies established on the basis of expertise. there's an estimated 50,000 federal employees could be affected by this reclassification as schedule f employees, which means you can at that point dig through either your social media or the fact that you were republican at some point or democrat. in this case, republicans wanting to get rid of democrats. but they can replace these positions and by the way, don't know if you need to replace 50,000. you let a few thousand go and it sends a message to the rest of the workforce that you are working for me, not the government of the united states of america. >> and i want to be clear about this, this schedule f order, this was drafted as he said, and in 2020. i saw the draft when it was being enacted early on in in 2020 and that is when they started to replace national

security experts on the national security council with loyalists. and i was warned about it from my boss, and from the national security adviser to former vice president mike pence. i was told to keep my head down and told that in the end hopefully i would be okay and the reason that was stated to me, was because they knew i was committed to serving in the homeland security and counter terrorism role in a very factual, matter-of-fact way. i worked day and night to ensure i was presenting facts and responding. i worked on disaster relief that you mentioned whenever there was a hurricane or floods or california wildfires. but the concern here with schedule f was that in situations when trump did not want to send relief to a blue state, it is those people that are serving in a nonpartisan way get replaced by loyalists, that is at stake here, that it will no longer be a government working for the greater good of

the people and providing relief. it will be we are not going to -- like we did during covert. i live that firsthand where they were playing partisan politics. mike pence was not but we have no control over what was going on in the oval office where they were doing partisan politics, they were sending supplies and relief to states. based on how they had voted. and i think it is a very dangerous thing here and americans need to understand that. because let's say donald trump gets upset with a republican governor along the way. and he's back in the oval office. i can assure you, his vengeance will overtake in the moment, and he will forget about the fact that these are just americans in need and he will be vengeful and keep really from going out and it will be the partisan loyalists in charge, that are going to be dictating responses and policies like that. i can name numerous scenarios across the board where it is

like going to be the case. >> it is important to understand because the civil service is an abstraction to a lot of people that don't work in the civil service but to understand it was designed, by design, not a partisan body. i a part of the workforce is really important. that shouldn't be going and hugging civil servant week. understand they do their job. they have political opinions, they have the right to appeal -- political opinions and they vote. but when you are working with the american people it should be expertise over ideology. olivia troy, -- among other things in the u.s. government. what you may not know about the coalition building around kamala harris' and it is see. congresswoman jasmine crockett will join me to break it down. donald trump is trying to run away from project 2025, not from policies. the authoritarian expert tim snyder will join me to explain why that distinction is important.

another hour of velshi begins right now. right now. a good morning. it is sunday, august 4. kamala harris has been at the top of the ticket for two weeks and sometime in the next two days, we will learn her pick for running mate. there has been reporting on everything from breakfast trips to dog walking. as we know, it is down to these six top contenders and nbc news is learned at least three of them, arizona senator mark kelly, tim walz, and pennsylvania governor josh shapiro are scheduled to meet with her today at her residence in washington according to several people who have been briefed on the plans. donald trump is backing out of a previously agreed upon abc presidential the patent which was set to take place on september 10. in classic trump fashion, he