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prime time weekend, let's get to this week's top story. an epic meltdown from the ex- president this afternoon speaking with three journalists at the national association of black journalists in chicago. a conversation that imploded right before our very eyes. right out of the gates. trump breaking into a tirade against the moderator who asked him about his past comments on race. when he questioned kamala harris's racial identity. take a look. >> some of your own supporters including republicans on capitol hill orhave labeled vic president, lana harris as a dei

higher? is that acceptable language do you? will you tell those supporters to stop it? >> how do you define dei? go ahead. is that your definition? would you give me a definition?e >> i'm asking you a question. >> define it for me if you would. >> do you only believe she is on the ticket because she is a black woman? i >> i have known her a long time indirectly. she was always of indian heritage and only promoting indian heritage. i did not know that she was black. now she wants to be known as black. i don't know, is she indian or is she black?

i respect either one, she obviously doesn't. she was indian all the way. then she became a black person. you should look into that when you ask in a very hostile way. >> do you believe that vice president kamala harris is a dei higher? >> i don't know. >> it is amazing that he has gotten away with that for as long as he has. the 35 minute conversation remained contentious. he defended his comments. in a room full of black journalists. >> i will tell you, coming from the border are millions of people that happened to be taking black jobs. >> what exactly is a black job? >> that is anybody who has a

job. >> vice president kamala harris response to all of this , an absolute disaster for donald trump, that is who he is. in response to his claim that she became black, it is simply a lie. and easily disproved. she went to howard. the historically black sorority. in the middle of her breathing when the comments were taking place. she said this. >> as a person of color, as a black woman who is in this position standing before you at this podium, what he just said is offensive, it is insulting, and no one has any right to

tell someone who they are, how they identify. that is no one's right. it is her own decision. i will add this, only she can speak to her experience. only she can speak to what it is like. the only person you can do that. i think it is insulting for anybody, a former leader, former president, it is insulting. she is the vice president of the united states. we have to put some respect on her name. >> one of our favorite experts and friends joins us. politics nation right here on msnbc. president of the national action network. also joining us, she was at the

convention in chicago watching the appearance as it took place. she is also a correspondent on the harris campaign. let me start with you. just go through. i don't know how you rank the offenses. not to the people in the room but to everybody. >> i think this was really a remarkable moment in a remarkable campaign season. does he president trump in front of a group of black journalists that invited him to talk about politics and his lk views on america and his vision for the future and to have him go after vice president harris t in a way that is really questioning her identity, questioning her authenticity. was really something to behold. as someone who is covering the

harris campaign and covered when she was a center -- senator, interviewing her, it is very clear that she has been very pointed and very articulate when it comes to talking about her background and what she got from her mother and her father, her father being a black man of jamaican dissent, her mother, someone who is indian. she talks about how that background and meeting a civil rights activist, she had her identity very clearly understood from when she was a little girl. to hear him say that she has been claiming to only be indian and is only now talking about being african-american is frankly not true, nicole. she went to a historically black college unpledged and joined a historically black

sorority. the first african-american sorority founded in this country. and time and time again has talked about the importance of racial justice and tying it back to her own identity. this is something that is really hard thto fathom that he thought that this insult or this attack would land. it does not even make sense to say this. the reporting that i got, i was sitting in the room, people were stunned. people were gasping. they were shouting back at him saying that is alive. the room, the atmosphere was already kind of tense there were a lot of questions if he should be invited. everyone had different opinions. when he started talking about her race, it really made the room feel very much like this

is a palpable anger from some people. journalists were covering him fairly. when you say things that are not true and you go after someone's blackness, it really hurts. one person said that he is completely unhinged. he cannot help himself. this is completely insulting and repulsive. somebody else said that it is easily disproven. she went to howard. another person said this is painful. reverend sharp, this is something you can talk about. black people have to deal with discrimination and having to deal with people taking their lives for their race and who they are. she really found herself in the lineage of that. she was in alabama talking about racial justice and there can be policy differences.

you can have different visions for the world. this attack was something that was a low bar even for former president trump who has gone lobar and underground in the comments he has made about certain people. >> when trump is discussing races in his attacks, we say, well, he especially hates a black woman who llis trying to hold them accountable. that is something for him as a trigger. let's set all of that aside and let's not do that. but this in the frame of what he sought to do with former

president barack obama. he thought this would be a landslide. that is what his campaign managers told him three weeks ago. threatened his plan to return to the white house after being humiliated by president joe biden defeating him around leon soundly. this was offensive, this was ignorant, this was graceless, he was a guest there and all he did was smear the vice president of the united states, a woman who is a very capable opponent against him ina this general election. >> we must be clear that everything he said at the white house is exactly what he intended to do. donald trump accepted this invitation to use this platform

to pray to his maga crowd. he went in there and stood up to those black journalists then stood up and called the vice president someone who is not proud of who she is. that he can start this. he did what he intended to do. you are right, nicole. he has a problem with black women. if you are a black woman who stands up to him. what you have to ask yourself after seeing this performance is what did he do it for? he came to do what he did. he use them as a backboard to score with the maga crowd. going to their conference and

calling them everything but the n word. acting like this strong black woman she is rallying around, she did not say she was black until a little while ago. when did we not know she was black? the first black district attorney of san francisco or the first oblack attorney general. or maybe we missed it when saying she is the only black woman in the u.s. senate were the only black woman to run for vice president. why play into this delusion when we can deal with who the painter of the picture is. donald trump saw it as a useful platform for him to show that he will stand up and call us whatever he wants to call us and attack our people in their face and they will not do anything about it. that is what he did.

>> i do not disagree. he's trying to get votes. what i'm trying to figure out is what mode did he think he was going to get to add to his base? by doing what he did today? i cannot imagine that he is so dumb that he thought you would add any black votes by talking about black jobs and saying what he said about the vice president. maybe he is just trying to show the base that he would do this but they know this already. many of them agree with him about the less than view of people who do not look like them. then the question is, is he trying to get us to talk about him? he is so freaked out that he has not been dominating the no airwaves for the last week that

he is wanting to be so outrageous that we would say ag here and talk about him today? either he is really dumb, what he did today does not get him any more votes. it does not get him any of the votes he does not have. certainly it does not get him any black votes. or is he just got sick? is he just that sick? you have to pick one of the two. >> you said that we are covering him objectively. objectively speaking this is a very unsteady performance. if the republican party was functioning and functional, you might imagine a functioning party would wonder if the person at the top of the ticket should be at the top of the tip get -- take it. even against a trump curve.

>> i think that republicans graded him when they nominated him again to be the nominee. they saw him and they knew what he said and they knew what his past was. thinking that he would be the face of the party. they have been made into the party of trump. they will decide if something like this is acceptable. they agreed to it for an hour. he said that we were starting 30 minutes late. and they were not starting on time. maybe that factored into the decision. possibly it wasn't going well so they pulled him off the stage. i would like to read something from the harris campaign. >> of course. >> they write as the

communications director, the hostility donald trump showed on stage today is what he has shown throughout his life and term in office as he seeks to regain power and putting the project 2025 agenda on the american people. he attacked black journalists the way he did during his presidency. leaving the entire country digging out the ditch that he left us in. today's tirade is the chaos and division that has been a si hallmark of his rallies for this entire campaign. what the american people see from across the debate stage as harris wants freedom for all americans. donald trump needs to stop playing games. that tells you where the harris campaign is. they are saying, you know what, this goes back to what vice

president harris said yesterday. a campaign rally in atlanta with 10,000 people there. if you have 0,something to say, say it to my face. if you want to use a sling on my race or policies, say it to my face and show up on september 10th and debate me. >> thank you for covering this for us and joining us to talk about this. up next, 97 days to go. more on vice president kamala harris's said to my face campaign. . no one wants to be known for cancer, but a treatment can be. keytruda is known to treat cancer, fda-approved for 17 types of cancer. one of those cancers is advanced nonsquamous,

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>> last week you may have seen 90 pulled out of the debate that he agreed to. well, donald? i do hope you will reconsider them to mimi on the debate stage. because as the saying goes, if you have something to say, say it to my face.

>> said to my face. a nine day campaign with a lot of mantras. we are in the best way to deal with a bully, to dish it right back. that is what the vice president did add her rally in atlanta. her second official campaign rally. excitement and energy were palpable. returning to a state key to her and president joe biden's 2020 win. rewarding her with her biggest crowd to date. the campaign says that 10,000 people were in attendance. the race to the presidency has transforms and she announced her candidacy. she has raised the record dollars in donations and has been all over social media and has cultivated a renewed sense of hope and momentum.

she will announce her running mate by next tuesday and the two will hold the first rally in philadelphia kicking off a four day attack on the battleground states. she is on the offense on the ground and on tv. a new campaign ad takes on the baseless attacks over the subject of immigration. >> on the border, the choice is simple. kamala harris supports increasing the number of border control agents. kamala harris supports investing in new technology to block fentanyl from entering the country. donald trump blocked funding for technology to block fentanyl from entering the country. kamala harris supports using more money to stop human traffickers. kamala harris prosecuted national gang members and got them sentenced to prison.

trump is trying to avoid being sent to prison. two choices in this election. >> by contrast, the prosecutor versus the felon. let's watch from last night. >> as a prosecutor i specialize in sexual abuse cases. trump has been accused of committing sexual abuse. and as an attorney general, i held the wall street banks accountable for fraud. donald trump was just found guilty of trump -- fraud. 34 counts. so in this campaign, so in this

campaign, i will proudly blow my record against his, any day of the week. >> we are back with the reverend. one of the most important things that she has done in a flawless candidacy is to start to put the central fact down on immigration. it is beyond debate that the trump is the reason republican and democratic bipartisan immigration reform was not passed. trump bragged about it. yeah, i killed him. in the state of the union address, one of the highlights was the republican senator saying that it was true. the senator from oklahoma.

just weigh in on that piece and then we will get to the energy. >> as you well know, being in a few campaigns yourself, you do not win the campaign on defense. you win the campaign on offense. the prosecutor is the person in the courtroom that is responsible for the offense. they have to produce the evidence. she is comfortable in this role. she is prosecuting the case against donald trump. the case, why she would be better in terms of immigration that he would. he talked to big todd the first time that he ran. he had complete control of government did not get anything done. did not reform immigration and did not do anything with the asylum system and did not even try to present a bill that would've done the things that the bill that he blocked would've done. the fact she is going on offense on this is really

important. and maybe the most important thing she is doing right now. that and channeling the energy that is coming from the ground right now that you saw in that rally. >> the energy that we have seen on tv from the reporters that are there. first i want to talk to the energy. it goes along with messaging that is a campaign that is flawless. building up the middle class and what she would do on immigration as long as trump does not block her and stop her. >> i think she has so far run a flawless campaign. i think that is absolutely the reason she is getting that energy. i think she can sustain that energy. if she continues to go the way she is going. i also think that she has in

many ways totally phone -- thrown trump off of his game. this whole thing of say it to my face. one cannot think of when he was walking around the debate stage stalking hillary clinton and the contrast now of saying, say it to my face. she is ready for him because she has a way to answer and deal with him. he's not used to that. >> coming up next, one of the first victims of the vicious war against the rule of war -- law came during the first days of his presidency. fired for standing up against the cruelty and abuses of the president. as he makes a third run for the white house. white house. h our experts.

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you know it's bad when donald trump has to apologize for anything and is working desperately to but can't put distance between himself and project 2025. it is weighing down his political campaign. the director announced that he is leaving his position with pressure from the ex-president. if he had nothing to do with project 2025, how could he get the director to step down from project 2025? the danger proposed by project 2025 and donald trump plans for the justice department is why dozens of doj officials came out with a powerful letter last week endorsing vice president kamala harris. they write this, the fabric of

our nation, the rule of law and the future of democracy are at stake in this election, the stakes could not be higher. a grave risk to our country, global alliances and the future of democracy. joining us is the former attorney general, it is so nice to speak with you. >> it is great to be with you, nicole. >> i have not had a chance to interview about any of your experiences in the first trump presidency for a while. you are stepping back into the public arena as a second trump presidency is up upon us. can you give us information about this incredible group of folks like yourself who don't relish anything about the new politics but felt compelled to speak out. >> it very much feels like to

me that it is now or never. our country is literally standing on the edge of a cliff. we have to decide if we will be a country that is governed by the rule of law. i get that it sounds like this esoteric concept that does not really have an impact on people's day-to-day lives. it is not some vague concept. it is the core promise that our country makes to all of our people that we have one set of laws and those laws apply to everyone. and we have to decide if we will elect a president who will protect that or will we give the keys to donald trump to the justice department so he can use it like a goon squad to go

after anyone that crosses him or to protect his friends. >> the difference between what you walked into in 2016 and 2024, this time it is in writing. it resealed itself. it unraveled mostly behind closed doors. it is on paper now. what project 2025 promises. the supervision of litigation as the doj responsibility. the direct supervision of the president of the united states. litigation decisions must be made consistent with the president's agenda. the director of the fbi must be politically accountable to the president. tell us what that looks like. >> that is exactly what he was trying to do in his first

administration. look, there is plenty of scary stuff in the pages of project 2025. you don't even have to look at that to know what donald trump would do with the justice department if he was given another term, you have to look at what he tried to do the first time. trying to use the doj as a vehicle to help overthrow the election and stage a coup. we talked about this so much. we have all gotten numb to it. he tried to stick the doj on his political enemies and protect his friends. much of that was thwarted in the first trump administration. you did have people there and political appointees that would not go for that. let's just think about if you can have any of those kind of people in the second

administration. i don't think he would appoint any of them. that much is clear. i'm not sure who would want to be part of the department of justice in the trump administration. you lose all of the governance. and then you have the supreme court giving him a giant get out of jail free card. anything you won't do, you have absolute immunity. this is a deadly combination. that is why is it so important that everyone gets involved. i don't view this as a partisan issue. it is essential to the defining character about who we are as americans. >> we know it will be a big change. change.

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you have to see this guy, i don't know what i said, i can't remember. maybe that's what i said.

obama carries a catastrophe. nobody talks about it. if we had john mccain, for whatever reason he could not get his arm up that day. two nights ago we heard crooked jo's rant at the state of the union address. i will bring the country together. >> whether it is mocking the sitting president over his lifelong battle with stuttering or mocking a war veteran like john mccain from the injuries that he suffered as a prisoner of war or a journalist that suffers from a muscular disease, we have seen this before. for donald trump, cruelty is the whole point. we'll go over that in our next

guest. donald trump's grandnephew with a son who has a neurological disorder. the light of his family's life. a member of the family who donald trump has chosen to never meet and will never see. trump asked his uncle for financial help. this is what he said. i don't know, he doesn't recognize you, you should let him die and move down to florida. that is sociopathy. it truly is. that is his calling card.

for his nephew, that was a last straw. and he broke his silence. joining us now is the aforementioned fred trump. >> thanks for having me. >> i can talk about anyone's kids without starting to cry. i can read about what he said about your son without getting emotional. he did contribute some financial support. this piece of it, the cruelty toward your son is so jarring. can you tell me more? >> i would like to get back to the medical fund i set up for william. i watched you last week when you read that passage. i remember the paz you took and

then you came on camera and i thought i saw that your eyes had been reddened up. and the beautiful part of that is the responses we have gotten since this book dropped yesterday have been overwhelming. people throughout the country and through the world have come to us and said, thank you for speaking up, not just to shine a light on donald's cruelty, but to push us forward for doing what we really want to do which is to advocate for people with developmental disabilities. william is the most regional -- courageous and inspirational person. you just have to see his smile and that is it. it knocks you over. regarding the medical fund, it goes back to the lawsuit that my sister and i brought against donald and his siblings for

cheating us out of our rightful inheritance. if you remember, donald was in the depths of a bad financial catastrophe is of his own making. we hatched this plan and after william was in the hospital for seven weeks, three were at mount sinai where all of my kids were born. william was in the intensive care unit there. each of my aunts and uncles live within a half-mile of the hospital. not once did they visit. a total of four weeks in two other hospitals and came home and a week or so later, we receive a letter saying that you are out. take this and be done with it. >> why? >> it is because he was in deep financial trouble.

he found a way to disinherit us . if you look at it, if my father were alive my father would've gotten that money. dad passed many years previously. donald was my trustee. after my father died, he was anointed my trustee. he is supposed to protect me and my family and he did the exact opposite. the medical fund which i asked for after 10 years when so many things were going on and money was tough back then. we were going through the great recession. a fund was put up. the way that i always looked at it, that was my rifle money that i was asking for.

>> one of the great things about the book, it is well done. one of the things that i pulled out was the family tree. can you tell everyone who your father is and who the aunts and uncles are? i love seeing it right there. >> we can go way back. if you go away back, fred or christopher or mary or marianne or elizabeth, that is all that it was. we start with my grandfather, basically. a tough driven businessman. my dad, the oldest brother, donald's older brother did not want to go into the family business. he had a passion for flying and became an airline pilot. back in the 1960s, airline pilots were on par with astronauts almost. people will say, this story is

very much like succession. in succession, all three of the siblings want the father's job. my father gave the pathway to donald to take the reins after my grandfather. >> you tie his cruelty to your grandfather? can you explain that. >> he was a very unemotional guy. that's just the way that he was. >> was he cruel? >> no. emotionally cruel. there were times, you can remember that he took me to the golf course and said, that is where i used to caddy in the 1920s. that was a nice moment. in the end, he was cruel. >> is that how donald became cruel? >> absolutely. one of his mentors. not a gentle guy.

>> when i covered the family separation, i had the same emotional reaction. and the same with his reaction to your son. how could he treat babies that way. when he treats his own family, it computes. how do you deal with watching him scale his cruelty across the country and across the globe? >> i know him so well. it makes him feel better than anybody else. i call it trickle down cruelty. he does not like this group and he makes this group not like this group and it keeps going down. it is unfortunate. it really is unfortunate. think if he used his wealth and power to do good things instead of threatening to and democracy as we know and give

billionaires tax breaks and stuff. it could've been a whole different story if he could've used his abilities for good. maybe i'm trying to make up for that. >> this has been prime time weekend. please tune into deadline white house and all of our prime time shows weekdays on msnbc. msnbc. and special offers. don't miss out. get started today.

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