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welcome to prime time weekend, let's get right to the week's top stories. an epic meltdown from the ex- president this afternoon, speaking with three journalists at the national association of black journalists conference in chicago. a conversation that imploded right before our very eyes on live tv. essentially, right out of the gates, trump immediately breaking into a tirade against the first moderator, rachel scott of abc news, who asked him about his past comments on race. then, trump questioned vice president kamala harris is racial identity, take a listen. >> some of your own supporters, including republicans on capitol hill, have labeled vice president kamala harris, who is the first black and asian
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american woman to serve as vice president on a major party ticket, as a dei higher. is that acceptable language to you? and will you tell those republicans, and those supporters to stop it? >> how do you define dei? >> diversity, equity, and inclusion. >> is that your definition? >> those are the words. >> give me a definition. >> i'm asking you a question. >> to find it for me. >> i just defined it. do you believe that vice president kamala harris is only on the ticket because she is a black woman? >> i think it's maybe a little bit different. i've known her a long time indirectly, not directly very much. and she was always of indian heritage, and she was only promoting indian heritage. i didn't know she was black until a number of years ago when she happened to turn black and now she wants to be known as black. i don't know, is she indian?
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>> she has always identified as a black woman. >> i respect either one but she obviously doesn't, because she was indian all the way, and then all of a sudden she made a turn and she went, she became a black person. >> to be clear, do you believe, >> i think somebody should look into that, when you ask a hostile, nasty tone. >> do you believe that vice president kamala harris is a dei higher? >> i really don't know. could be. >> it's amazing he's gotten away with that for as long as he has. but it appears to be over, the 35 minute conversation was like that basically throughout, it remained contentious. trump even defended his lack jobs comment in a room full of black journalists. >> i will tell you that coming, coming from the border are millions and millions of people that happened to be taking black jobs. you have the best, >> what exactly is a black job? >> anybody that has a job, that's what it is.
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anybody that has a job. >> vice president kamala harris's response to all of this, absolute disaster for donald trump. this is who he is. a source close to vice president harris tells nbc news in response to trump's claim that she became black, it is simply a lie and easily disproved. she went to howard, she's an a.k.a., to the historically african american sorority, alpha kappa alpha. white house press secretary karine jean-pierre was in the middle of her breathing when trump's comments were taking place. she first left in shock, then said this. >> as a person of color, as a black woman who is in this position that is standing before you at this podium, behind this lectern, what he just said, what you just read out to me is repulsive. it's insulting. and, you know, no one has any right to tell someone who they
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are, how they identify. that is no one's right. it is someone's own decision. i'll add this. only she can speak to her experience. only she can speak to what it's like. she's the only person that can do that. and i think it's insulting for anybody, if it's a former leader or former president, it is insulting. she is the vice president of the united states, kamala harris. we have to put some respect on her name. >> with some of our favorite experts and friends, the reverend al sharpton host us on msnbc, also the president of the national action network with me at the table, former senator and co-host of msnbc's
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2024 podcast, our friend claire mccaskill is here, also joining us, msnbc news correspondent at the convention in chicago, watching trump's appearance as it took place. she is also our correspondent on the harris campaign. let me start with you. just go through, i don't even know how you rank the offenses, not just to the people in the room, but to everybody. but, take a stab at it for us. >> i think this was really a remarkable moment in what has been a remarkable campaign season. to see former president trump in front of a group of black journalists who invited him to answer questions about policy, about his views on the campaign trail, about his views about america and its vision for the future, and to have him go after vice president harris in this way that is really, really questioning her identity, questioning her authenticity, was really something to behold.
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i think is someone who is covering the harris campaign and who has cover the vice president when she was a senator, back more than a decade, now i've been following her work and interviewing her, it's very clear that she has been very, very pointed and also very, very articulate when it comes to talking about her background, talking about what she got from her mother and her father, her father being a black man who was of jamaican dissent, her mother being someone who was indian. she talks about how that background, and her parents meeting a civil rights activist, taking her to protests in a stroller, that she had her identity really very clearly understood, understood her identity as a little girl. so to hear him say that she'd been claiming to be only indian and only now is talking about being african american is just, frankly, not true, nicole. she went to a historically black college, she pledged and
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joined a historically black sorority, alpha kappa alpha, the first historically african american sorority founded in this country. and she's time and time again throughout her career talked about the importance of racial justice and tying it back to her own identity. so, this really is something that, it's really hard to fathom that former president trump thought that this insult, it doesn't make sense to even say this, and then talking to people, you read the reporting i got, i was sitting in the room and people were stunned. i'm going to take you behind the scenes, people were stunned. people were gasping, there were people who were shouting back at him. saying, that's a lie. the room, the atmosphere, i think, was already tense because this is a president that has attacked a member of the association of black journalists, there was a question whether or not he should be invited. everyone had different opinions, but when he started talking about her race, it
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really made the room feel very much like, this is a palpable anger from some people. and again, journalists who are covering him objectively and fairly, when you start to say things that are sadly not true and going after someone's blackness, it really hurts. i want to read you some of the things i got when i was texting. one person said, he's completely unhinged, he cannot help himself. someone else said, completely insulting and repulsive, exactly what karine john pierce said from the podium. it's simply a lie, easily disproven. she went to howard, another person said, this is painful. i think painful might be something that reverend sharpton can talk about, there's a history of black people having to deal with discrimination, and having to deal with people taking their lives for their race and who they are, and vice president harris has found herself in the lineage of that. let's talk about that. she was in selma, alabama, talking about racial justice,
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and to have this, there can be policy differences, you can have policy differences, but this attack, this attack was something that was, i think, that was really a low bar even for former president trump, who has gone very much underground in some of the comments he's made about people. >> let's not do what happens sometimes. when trump's is disgusting and racist in his attacks against willis or tish james, or judge chutkan, we say, he hates all women but he especially hates a black women who's trying to hold them accountable, right? that feels like letting him get away with something that is, for him, a trigger. let's put all of that aside and let's not do that. let's also put this in the frame of what he sought to do to president barack obama, with birther-ism. this is more than insulting a woman who threatens what he
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thought would be a landslide, is what his campaign managers told tim alberta three weeks ago. this is someone that threatens his grand plan to return to the white house after being humiliated by president joe biden, defeating him roundly and soundly. this is probably a warm-up, and i just want to make sure we put it in the right context. this was offensive, this was ignorant, this was graceless. he was a guest, there, he was invited by journalists to answer questions and all he did was malign and smear the vice president of the united states, a woman who is a very, very, very capable opponent against him in this general election. >> i think that we must be clear that everything you've said, at the white house, is exactly what he intended to do, donald trump accepted this
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invitation to use that platform to play to his maga crowd, and those bigots that will save tonight, he went in there and stood up to those black journalists, stood up and called the vice president someone that is not proud of who she is, those few black men that he's trying to get off that he can start this, i went in there and stood up to them and told them, he did what he intended to do. you're right, nicole, we already know he has serious problems with blacks, period, particularly black women, and god forbid if you're a black woman stand up to him. what you have to ask yourself, after seeing this performance for almost a half hour, is what he do it for? he came to do what he did. he came to use them as a backboard to score with the maga crowd, to say, i'm one of y'all. i will go to their own
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conference and do everything but call them the n-word, and i will try and act like their candidate, their hero, their strong black woman they're rallying around, she didn't even say she was black until a little while ago. when did we not know she was black? when she was elected the first black district attorney of san francisco? or maybe when she was elected the first black attorney general of the state of california? or maybe we missed it when we said she was the only black woman in the u.s. senate, or the only black woman to run for vice president. why play into this illusionary picture where we can deal with who the painter of the picture is. donald trump saw the nabj as a useful platform for him to show that he would stand up to blacks and call us whatever he wants to call us and attack our people in their face, and they ain't going to do anything about it. that's what he went to do, that's what he did.
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>> i don't disagree with ralph, although, he's trying to get votes. and what i'm trying to figure out is what votes did he think he was going to get? add to his maga base? by doing what he did today. i can't imagine that she is so dumb that he thought he would add any black votes by talking about black jobs, and saying what he said about the vice president, and maybe, he is just trying to show the megabase that he would do this, but they know that already. they know he's one of them, agree with him about his less than view of people that don't look like them. is he trying to get us to talk about him? is he so freaked out, that he has not been dominating the airwaves for the last week,
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that he is wanting to be so outrageous that we would sit here and talk about him today? so, either he's really dumb, because what he did today i don't think it's him anymore maga votes, he's got those votes. for he doesn't get him any of the votes he doesn't have, certainly doesn't get many black votes. or is he just that sick? is he just that sick? you've got to pick one of the two. >> let's, i wrote down a lot of what you said, you said we're covering him objectively. objectively speaking, this was a very unsteady performance. if the republican party was functioning, and functional, you might imagine a functioning party would wonder if the person at the top of the ticket should be at the top of the ticket. if this was a person that was displaying adequate fitness. as someone who covered him, then saw this, how do you grade it affirmatively, even against a trump curve?
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>> i'll say this, i don't know that as a reporter i can grade former president trump, i think republicans graded him when they nominated him again to be their nominee, to run for president, there was a primary, they saw him, they knew what he said, they knew what his past was, and they saw him and said he was going to be the base of the party. and we watched over the years as the republican party has been made into the party of trump. they're going to decide whether this was something that was acceptable. there is for reporting that his team had agreed to an hour and after 34 minutes they said that this needed to end, there was a point but he said we were starting 30 minutes late, and nabj wasn't starting on time, so maybe that factored into the decision, but it tells me that possibly they thought this wasn't going well so they pulled him off the stage. i also want to read you a statement that we just got from the harris campaign, if you would allow me to. it also underscores how they're seeing this moment. is that okay? >> of course.
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>> they write, the hostility, this is michael tyler, the communications director for the harris campaign. the hostility donald trump showed on stage today is the same hostility she has shown throughout his life, throughout his term in office and his campaign for president as he seeks to regain power and inflict his harmful agenda on the american people. trump lobbed personal attacks and insults at black journalists, the same way he did throughout his presidency while he failed black families and let the entire country digging out of the ditch he left us in. donald trump has already proven he cannot unite america, so he attempts to divide us. the statement goes on to say, today's tirade is simply the chaos and division that has been a hallmark of trumps maga rallies and his entire campaign, it's exactly what the american people will see from across the debate stage as vice president harris offers a vision of opportunity and freedom for all americans, all donald trump needs to do is stop playing games and show up to the debate on september 10th. that tells you where the harris
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campaign is, they're calling him out saying this is insulting, but also, this goes back to what vice president harris said yesterday when she had a campaign rally in atlanta with 10,000 people there, she said, if you have something to say, say it to my face, this is a campaign following thing if you want to say something about my race or my policies or how i held, dealt with the border, said to my face and show a bunch of timber tent and debate me. >> thank you for covering this for us and joining us to talk about it. stick around, up next, with 97 days to go, more on vice president kamala harris is said to my face strategy, and all of her throwing it right back at the bully who sits atop the republican ticket. republican ticket. it's time we listen to science. one a day is formulated with key nutrients to support whole body health. one a day. science that matters. we really don't want people to think of feeding food like ours is spoiling their dogs.
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>> say it to my face. it's a nine-day campaign, with already a lot of mantras, that's certainly one of them. and one of the best ways to deal with a bully is to dish it right back. that's just what the vice president did to donald trump last night at her raucous rally in atlanta. her second official campaign rally, the excitement and the energy were palpable to everyone in attendance. harris last night returned to a state key to her and president joe biden's 2020, 2020 win, that state rewarded her with her biggest crowd to date, the harris campaign said that 10,000 people were in attendance. the race for the presidency has completely transformed since harris announced her candidacy. she has raised records of dollars in donations, has been all over social media, and has cultivated a renewed sense of hope and momentum among the
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democratic party and the broader pro-democracy coalition. she will announce her running mate by next tuesday, and the two will hold their first rally in philadelphia, kicking off a four day arm storm of battleground states. harris is on the offense on the ground, and on tv, a new campaign ad takes on trumps baseless attacks against her over the subject of immigration. >> on the border? the choice is simple. kamala harris supports increasing the number of border patrol agents. donald trump locked a bill to increase the number of border patrol agents. mullah harris supports investing in new technology to block fentanyl from entering the country. donald trump blocked funding for technology to block fentanyl from entering the country. mullah harris supports spending more money to stop human traffickers. donald trump locked money to stop human traffickers. kamala harris prosecuted transnational gang members and got them sentenced to prison.
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trump is trying to avoid being sentenced to prison. there's two choices in this election. the one who will fix our broken immigration system, and the one who is trying to stop her. >> the contrast of the choice in november, the prosecutor versus the felon wasn't lost on the crowd last night. >> as a prosecutor, i specialized in child sexual abuse cases and sexual abuse cases. well, trump was found liable for committing sexual abuse. and as an attorney general, i hold the big wall street banks accountable for fraud. donald trump was just found guilty of fraud. 34 counts. so, in this campaign, >> lock him up!
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lock him up! >> so, in this campaign, i will proudly put my record against his any day of the week. >> we're back with claire, one of the most important things she's done in a so far flawless candidacy is to start to put this central fact out on immigration. it is so beyond debate that trump is the reason republican and democratic bipartisan immigration reform wasn't passed. trump bragged about it. that's how true it is. trump said yeah, i killed it. in a state of the union address, one of the highlights was a republican senator who worked with the white house, mouthing, it's true. this is a senator from
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oklahoma. langford. just weigh in on that piece, and then we'll get to the energy. >> as you well know, nicole, having been in a few campaigns yourself, you do not win a campaign on defense. you win a campaign on offense. the prosecutor is the person in the courtroom that is responsible for the offense. they have to produce the evidence. she is comfortable in this role. she is, in fact, prosecuting the case against donald trump. the case why she would be better in terms of immigration then he would. we know that he talked big talk the first time he ran, he's going to build a wall, mexico is going to pay for it, he had complete control of government for two years, didn't get squat done, didn't reform immigration, didn't do anything with the asylum system, didn't try to present a bill that would have done the things that the bill that trump blocked would have done. so the fact that she's going on
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offense on this really important. and frankly, may be the most important thing she's doing right now, that and channeling the energy that organically is coming from the ground right now that you saw in that rally. >> the energy is, you can see it on tv and reporters were there, unbelievable first-hand accounts of the energy. it goes along with messaging that is just a campaign hack is flawless. the ads that are on tv from the super pack are about building up the middle class, the first ads from the campaign are about what she would do on immigration as long as trump doesn't block her and stop her. your thoughts? >> i think she has so far run a flawless campaign. i think that is absolutely the reason she's getting the energy, and i think she can sustain that energy, as she continues to go the way she's going. i also think that she has in
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many ways totally thrown trump off his game, because she has shown she is not intimidated. this whole thing of say it to my face, one can't help but to think when he was walking around the debate stage, stocking hillary clinton, and the contrast now of a woman saying, say it to my face, daring him to come into the debate, and she's ready for him to say to her face because she's got some way to answer and deal with him. he's not used to that. >> coming up next for us, one of the first victims of donald trump's vicious war against the rule of law came early, the first days of his presidency. it was his acting u.s. attorney general, sally yates, fired for standing up against the cruelty and abuses of his presidency. she joins us next on the clear and present danger he represents as he makes a third run for the white house. house.
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you know it's bad when donald trump never wanted to back down or apologize for everything is working desperately to put distance between himself and project 2025. realizing that the 922 page how- to book on ending american democracy is weighing down his political campaign. yesterday the director of project 2025 announced that he is leaving his position, thanks in part to pressure from the ex- president. begging the question, if trump had nothing to do with project 2045, how could he get the director of project 2025 to step down from project 2025? the clear and present danger opposed by project 2025 and donald trump's plans for the justice department is why dozens of former doj officials, including our next guest came out with a powerful letter last week endorsing vice president kamala harris. they write in the letter this,
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the fabric of our nation, the rule of law and the future of the democracy are at stake in this election. the stakes could not be higher. former president trump presents a grave risk to our country, our global alliances, and the future of democracy. running our conversation, former acting attorney general during the trump administration, sally yates is here. it's so nice to get to speak with you. >> it's great to be with you, nicole. >> i haven't had a chance to interview you about your experiences in the first trump presidency for a while, but, you are stepping back into the public arena as the threat of a second trump presidency is upon us. i wonder if you can take me behind this incredible group, we had a chance to speak on friday, this extraordinary group of folks who, like yourself, don't relish anything about partisan politics but felt compelled to speak out.
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>> it very much feels like, to me, that it's now or never. that our country is literally standing on the edge of a cliff. and we've got to decide if we're going to be a country that's governed by the rule of law, i say rule of law, i get that it sounds like this vague esoteric concept that doesn't really have an impact on people's day-to-day lives. but it's not a vague concept, it is the fundamental core promise that our country makes to all of our people that we have one set of laws. and those laws apply to everyone. so, we've got to decide, are we going to elect a president who will protect that, or are we going to give the keys to donald trump, to the justice department, so that he can use it like a goon squad to go after anybody who crosses him or to protect his friends?
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it's that important. >> and i guess the difference between what you walked right into in 2016, and 2024, is this time it's in writing. before it revealed itself in the firing of jim comay and the lies told by mike flint, it's unraveled behind closed doors, it's on paper right now, i'm going to read you what project 2025 promises for the rule of law and the department of justice. the supervision of litigation is a doj responsibility, the department falls under the direct supervision and control of the president of the united states as a component of the executive branch. litigation decisions must be made consistent with the president's agenda. the director of the fbi must remain politically accountable to the president. just tell us what that looks like.
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>> that's exactly what he was trying to do, in his first administration, but his efforts were thwarted at times. by officials at dod. there is plenty of scary stuff in the pages of project 2025. but, you don't even have to look at that to know what donald trump would do with the justice department if he's given another term. you only really have to look at what he tried to do the first time, when he tried to use doj as a vehicle to help overthrow an election, to stage a coup. we've talked about this so much, it's as if we've all gotten numb to it. but he did that, he tried to stick doj on his political enemies, he tried to protect his friends. much of that was thwarted, and the first trump administration, you did have political appointees who wouldn't go for that and stood up for it. let's just think about, whether you're going to have any of
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without john mccain we would have had it done, but john mccain for some reason couldn't get his arm up that day. he goes like that, that was the end of that. >> two nights ago we all heard good joe's angry hate filled rant of the state of the union address. didn't it bring us together? he said i'm going to bring the country together. i'm going to bring it together. >> whether it's mocking the sitting president, joe biden over his lifelong battle with stuttering, or mocking a war veteran like john mccain for the injuries he suffered while he was a prisoner of war, or mocking a journalist who suffers from a congenital muscular disease, we have seen this before. right? for donald trump, cruelty is the whole point.
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no one knows that better than our next guest, the disgraced ex-president's nephew, fred trump, his beloved son william, donald trump's grandnephew, is living with complex disabilities, the result of a neurological disorder. a son who is the light of his family's life, their families northstar. a member of his own family, who donald trump has chosen to never even meet and who is on the receiving end of some of donald trump's disdain. when fred trump asked his uncle for financial help to cover william's medical bills, this is some of what he said. i don't know, donald finally said, letting out a sigh. he doesn't recognize you. maybe you should just let him die and move down to florida. that depravity, that moral rot, that, frankly, sociopathy has become normalized. it's who he is. trump's calling card. for his nephew, fred trump, it was also a last straw.
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it is it's been point but inspired him to break his silence in a new book, all in the family. the trumps and how we got this way. joining us now is the aforementioned fred trump. >> thanks for having me. >> i can't read, i can talk about anyone's kids without starting to cry, i can't read about the things he said about your son without getting emotional. for context, he did contribute some, financial support, it's a new, the power of your book is it is a nuanced portrait, and not a caricature. but this piece of it, the cruelty toward your son, is so jarring. i wonder if i could ask you to tell me more. >> sure, if you don't mind i'd like to get back to the medical fund that was set up for william, but i watched you last week when you read that passage, and i remember the pause you took while you were reading, and then you came on camera, and i thought i saw your eyes had been reddened.
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and the beautiful part of that is, the responses we have gotten since this book dropped yesterday has been overwhelming. people throughout the country, and frankly the world, have come to us and said, thank you for speaking out. not just to shine a light on donald's cruelty, but, to push us forward to do what we really want to do, which is advocate for people with intellectual and developmental disabilities. william is the most courageous and inspirational person i have ever met. and yes, he is a ray of light, in so many people's lives. all you need to do is see his smile, and that's it, it knocks you over. regarding the medical fund, it really goes back to the lawsuit that my sister and i brought against donald and his siblings for, i'll use the word cheating us out of our rightful inheritance. if you remember, donald was in
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the depths of a bad financial catastrophe of his own making. so he had this plan, and, after william was in hospital for seven weeks, three of which were at mount sinai, where i was born and where mary was born and all three of my kids were born. william was in a neonatal intensive care unit, there. each of my aunts and uncles lived within half a mile of the hospital. not once did they visit. he spent a total of four weeks in other hospitals, and a week or so later, we received a letter from donald's attorney saying, you're out. take this and be done with it. >> why? >> i think it's because he was in deep financial trouble, and he found a way to disinherit us.
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if you look at it, it was really, if my father were alive, my father would've gotten that money. unfortunately, dad past many years previous. so, donald was my trustee. after my father died, he was anointed, if you will, my trustee. that's him. he's supposed to protect me and my family, and he did the exact opposite. so, the medical fund, which i asked for after 10 years, so many things were going on, money was tough back then. we were just coming through the great recession. and a fund was put up, but the way i've always looked at it, that was my rightful money that i was asking for. >> one of the great things about the book, the book is really well done, and one of the things that i pulled out was the family tree. can you tell everyone who your
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father is, your aunts and uncles are, just, it was great. i loved seeing it all right there. >> we could go way back. >> and you do. >> we start, if you go way back, it's, it's johan or fred or christopher, or mary or marianne or elizabeth, that's all there was. but yeah, we started with my grandfather, basically. he was a very tough, driven businessman. and my dad, the eldest brother, her eldest son, donald's older brother, did not want to go into the family business. my father had a tremendous passion for flying. and he became an airline pilot, and back in those early 1960s, airline pilots were on par with astronauts, almost. and people will say, hey, this story is very much like succession.
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i said it really isn't, because in succession, all three of the siblings want the father's job. my dad didn't, my father gave the pathway to donald to take up the reins after my father, after my grandfather. >> you tie some of donald trump's cruelty to your grandfather. will you explain that? >> he was a very unemotional guy. it's just the way he was. >> was he cruel? >> emotionally cruel. but then again, there were times that, if you remember when he took me to forest park golf course and said, that's where i used to caddy in the 1920s. that was a nice moment. but in the end, he was cruel. >> do you think that's how donald became cruel? >> absolutely. and don't forget, donald is, one of his mentors was roy cohen, not a gentle guy. >> when i covered the children in cages, family separation, i
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have the same emotional reaction on the air as i did when i read the passage about his reaction to your son. and i wondered how he could treat babies that way. but when i read how he treats his own family, it computes. how do you deal with watching him scale his cruelty across the country and across the globe? >> again, i know him so well that it makes him feel better than anybody else. i call it trickle-down cruelty. he doesn't like this group, and he makes this group not like this group, and it just keeps going down and down. it's unfortunate, and it really is unfortunate, because think if he had used his wealth and his power when he was president to do good things instead of threatening to end democracy as we know it, and to give billionaires tax breaks and stuff. it could have been a whole different story, if he could
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