all of the anticipation, although guessing, all the speculation, the texting with their friends from college about who is going to be the pro and con list making about who the vice presidential pick will be. it's about to end because kamala harris is expected to announce her. tomorrow. and then, the two of them will hold their first rally together in philadelphia tomorrow night. just in the last few minutes that event was put on the white house public scheduled for 5:30 p.m. eastern so plan your evening accordingly. that means right now, as we speak, less than 24 hours before that event, vice president kamala harris is either finalizing her decision or maybe she has made it. she could be making calls. maybe breaking the news to those who did not make the cut or maybe breaking the news to the one who did. that could be happening right now. i promise you, if we learn

anything over the course of the next hour, not just that josh shapiro is playing basketball with his son. if we see a puff of smoke over harris' house, we will tell you. picking a running mate is a critical moment. we will dive into a talk about all the potential pics what is likely playing into her selection process and how the campaign changes once a running mate is announced. one thing to expect immediate is a tour of battleground states from harris and her vp pick. after that, they will likely start campaigning separately. that means, a week from now, were about to get double the campaign events and double the fundraising and high-level voices that can go after donald trump and j.d. vance and push a proactive message. i'm sure you are thinking, that sounds great. we really want to know who the pick is right now, and believe me, i do too.

i am dying to know. it's important to remember that this process, already so condensed, typically it would go on for months. there would be long stretches of vetting and diving into the records of these potential running mates and polling, candidate interviews. to put it in perspective, just over two weeks ago, kamala harris was a vice presidential nominee. now, she's picking one. that's a lot to get done in a short period of time. the fact she's about to announce her. and hit the ground running with them and they swing state tour tells you a lot of things about her. chief among them is she's incredibly decisive. we have seen that already. we saw the 24 hours after president biden dropped out of the race when she visited the campaign office in delaware to rally staff and's supporters. we saw when she hit the campaign trail for her first rally since she jumped in the race. in the state where trump just

held the republican national convention and that even she did 48 hours after president biden dropped out. we saw that late last week when her campaign announced they hired an all-star group is on the biggest names in democratic politics to add to a seasoned team. we saw it this weekend when trump tried to back out of a debate he already agreed to and reschedule one with, you guessed it, fox news. she punched back within hours saying, quote, it's interesting how anytime, anyplace, becomes one specific time in one specific safe space. i'm betting she's using that decisiveness is she's getting ready to roll letterpress presidential pick on this quick time line. all of that has happened within the past 15 days. that shows decisiveness. it shows fearlessness. typically in politics, there's a lot of waiting around. a lot of meeting with consultants and a lot of calls and pull testing and a lot of

delays. this is not that. it's a very different campaign. that is partly because of the condensed time line none of us would've predicted a couple of months ago. it's a shorter runway than usual. is time to get bogged down or overthink things and the need to act. necessity to act in a big part is due to harass herself because of who she is today is a candidate and how decisive and fearless she is and how much she's grown even from just a few years ago to during our first presidential campaign. as we wait these last few hours before one of those contenders is a call that may change their life forever, remember, kamala harris set the expectation that it will be an aggressive, fearless, decisive ticket. that's what she has said. whoever she picks, who's ever life is about to change, that is what their assignment is going to be. jim was a campaign manager for president obama's reelection

campaign in claire mccaskill is a former democratic senator from missouri and msnbc political analyst. they have lived campaigns and been on the ground and they love talking politics and they join me now. thank you both. we are waiting for tea leaves. some was humorous. how many wikipedia changes there are. josh shapiro playing basketball. where is tim walz going? everyone is trying to read the tea leaves. you have been and these meetings and you were in a senior role in 2008 when joe biden was picked as the running mate. we like to take people inside the process. what are those conversations like over the last 24 hours or what might they be like right now? >> the first thing you need to do is do no harm. they will be looking closing at the vetting. we have never had this fast of a. before. eric holder, former attorney general running the vetting

process passively had enough time to dive deep into this. what you do not want is a disaster like the j.d. vance.. the second thing is trying to make a decision about who could be the president of the united states. the most important piece is who could be the president? the question you alaska's who do i want to be in a room with with the next 4 to 8 years. who will i get along with and who will do something? then they will be whispering in the air saying this is what the polling says. this is how you can take this state with this pick. vp harris will have to balance all of those things into your smart point, make a decisive. that's incredibly important. if you think about it, she will get two more free moments when she names her vp and her speech at the democratic national convention. the rest of it, she will have to earn. it's a very big moment.

>> also the president and vice president have lunch every week together. you better like the person. this is a condensed time line which is important for people to understand. it requires this that instinct and less reliance on consultants and polling and lengthy vetting which i think has been good for vice president kamala harris so far. how will it impact to she picks or will it? >> first of all, why do we do it this way all the time. i think having campaigned that are 90 days long are perfect for america. i think it really works to kamala harris' advantage. her vice presidential pick. i have a little different you because i think she will want to find somebody with the right chemistry, but one thing she's done so far, i think she's surprised people. people underestimated her.

she has a clear vision about this campaign being aspirational and positive and joyous. laughing and smiling. having the ability to attack the trump team with joy and good humor, i think, is one of the things she will be looking for in a vice president. it's one thing to be able to read off a list of things that donald trump has done that are horrendously horrible horrible. it's another thing to do it and maintain the atmosphere of a joyous campaign. a campaign that makes people feel good about voting again it makes people feel good about the country again. that's the contrast right now. i think she will be careful to pick if a president can bring that those to the conversation. >> bring in joy. it has been joyful seeing how it has been in the political world. it sounds like your thinking it

might be a surprise. that is what i heard from what you said. that's an interesting one. someone's life is about to change. hopefully, someone joyful. there is also a lot that will happen now, now that there is a vice presidential pick tomorrow. you are doubling the star power on the trail. fundraising. there's another person out there. what else happens within a campaign when a running mate is picked? >> you put the organization around the person. they have already named her chief of staff, adviser jennifer palmieri who we know really well. adviser to hillary killed it and she will build a staff around them and you put a schedule together. that person's spouse life life will change. jennifer had it right, their life will change in the course of one phone call. they will be very happy.

they will put down the phone and think, oh, my god, now what? everything changes. their life the next 91 days will not be theirs anymore. they will be on the road and they will do everything the harris team does not want to do. think it the dinners and fundraisers they don't want to do, and that's okay. they have the shot to be the vice president of the united states. >> pretty big deal. claire, love how you said this person might be a surprise. hopefully there joyful and continuing the campaign she is running. there will be an attack dog, as she has been. as part of the job. some of the finals have done interesting things. tim walz pioneered weird. kelly is an interest -- astronaut. do you have a taken whose best suited to that part of the job? >> i think she has de-risked

the situation. i don't think these will be a problem on the ticket. they are terrific. they are all good communicators. i will say, tim walz has a way of communicating that makes you think, if you ran into him at the hardware store, he would have good advice for you. he does come across as someone who is really relatable in the midwest. remember, pennsylvania, wisconsin, and michigan. these are places where tim walz and his hot dish recipe and his going to minard's and getting a furnace filter, that will play well in those places. i am not saying it will be him, but i think he could be a pretty good attack dog and still be pretty funny and joyful. >> no question. we all knew him but he has

emerged in the country has gotten to know him. i have to come to you and see, what about you? is there someone you think would be a good attack dog and fit the mold as claire thought tim walz could do that? >> i think all three of these people, these are great pics. we have a deep bench but i don't think it's about an attack talk with someone who gives you energy. remember when bill clinton picked alcor? joe biden sprinting on the stage that he was the vp. that energy is what we want to see tomorrow. >> no question. we will talk about it later in the show. thank you both for joining me tonight. donald trump spend about as much time this weekend attacking fellow republicans as he did going after kamala harris. the harris campaign is taking advantage of a party disarray.

i was critical of the president 2015 and 2016, and he looked at me as someone who can contribute meaningfully to the future the country so he asked me to be a running mate. he is not a vengeful guy. >> donald trump is not vengeful. says j.d. vance. it's a ridiculous claim given his track record. donald trump's track record. let's look at the last couple of days. trump is endorsing two different republicans in a washington state congressional race. why? because he wants to defeat another republican. dan newhouse vote to impeach him for inciting the january 6 capitol riot. donald trump is running to be president again. in a tight race with kamala harris. you might think he would be focused on that.

instead he spending time and energy attacking fellow republicans like this weekend when he called for a purge of the republican party and attacked the former lieutenant governor georgia, geoff duncan, who has endorsed harris. a few hours later at a rally in georgia, trump attacked the state's republican secretary of state brad raffensperger and the republican governor was very popular, brian kemp, both refused to go along with drum and the lie that he won the election in georgia in 2020. >> brian kemp, your governor, who i got elected by the way is a very disloyal person. very disloyal. they are doing everything possible to make 2024 difficult for republicans to win. you can do better and you will do better with a better governor. this state has become a laughing stock. he's a bad guy. he's a disloyal guy and a average governor. little brian kemp. >> what's clear from all of this is trump won't stop until

he roots the republican party of everyone who is not sufficiently obedient which is why some republicans are just speaking out against them but endorsing kamala harris. the campaign announced a new group called republicans for harris which launched with two doesn't republican endorsements including former governors, members of congress, and trump administration officials. one of those is joe walsh. he joins me now. thank you for joining me. looking at this list, it's impressive list, the people have been pretty public opponents of trump. tell me more about what the group will be doing and what they will do to try to defeat him? >> great to be with you. what we want to do is give republicans around this country, especially in the battleground states, the courage to come out and say we are better than donald trump.

we know there are a lot of republicans in michigan and wisconsin and pennsylvania do not want to support trump. they are afraid because as you know, there's a lot of pressure. a lot of pressure locally. when you publicly oppose trump as a republican, you pretty much end your career as a republican. that's a scary thing. you talk tell the party has become a called. he has already purged people who were not obedient to him. what we are going to do this campaign is get out there and tell republicans throughout the country that we are better. you are better than trump and doggone it, support kamala harris. the only person who can keep this guy out of the white house. >> that all sounds good. i think to everybody watching. i want to ask you, not that you can get into trump's mind and your familiar with what it's like to be attacked by him. he went after brian kemp are the weekend who's a popular

republican governor of georgia. he wants to win, i assume. donald trump. what is going on there? >> that's a tough question because in truth, we don't know what's going on. in truth, much of what trump says does not make sense. we try so hard to normalize this guy. he's a horrible human being. he lies as he breaks. he doesn't care about anybody but himself. he is an american. he say sociopaths, psychopath. he is incapable of bringing people together. at one level, it makes no sense what he is saying, but at the other level, he wants to beat this party down, i believe this, until the only people in my former party are people who are on their knees pledging to him

every day. it's going to be a party that shrinks. there's a great opportunity here to convince republicans that kamala harris is american. kamala harris supports democracy and the rule of law so come on, stand up now. >> you may have answered the next thing i wanted to ask which is some people on this republican for harris committee of said i don't agree with her on policy but it's a moment where democracy is at stake. you're having private conversations. what are you saying to follow republicans, current or former, who may find it difficult to vote for a democrat for president? >> i am a weird guy and that it come from maga. i voted for trump in 2016. i'm a former maga gang bangor. i talk to these folks every day. what i tell them is, this is a rare, unique moment in american history. you have the opportunity to

quite literally saves this experiment. you nailed it. it's not about policy. i say that over and over. kamala harris and i probably disagree on most policy. this is not about policy. this is about preserving this thing that we all believe in. the other thing i say to republicans threat the country is, you are better than trump. trump believes you are cruel. he believes you are intolerant. he believes you're angry all the time. that is not you. you are better than that. that seems to resonate with a lot of republicans who are on the fence. >> it's really interesting. thank you for joining is former congressman joe walsh. i appreciate you joining me this evening. coming up. you'll never guess which supreme court justices, more news about flights he took in a

billionaire's private jet. sherrilyn ifill's standing by and she joins after a quick break. k break.

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detailed in the letter how the judiciary committee obtained flight records showing the back in november, 2010, justice thomas and his wife live from hawaii to new zealand on his private jet before flying back to hawaii on the jet a week later. the letter goes on, he is a passenger in these flights. today, justice thomas has never disclosed his private jet travel on any disclosure forms even though justice thomas has amended disclosures to reflect other international travel on mr. crowe's private jet. if you recall, propublica express a 2019, stroked intonation several others provided by harlan crow. the outcry resulting from that prompted thomas to formally disclose the strips and financial filing submitted this year. that begs the question, why did he feel to disclose the trip over a decade ago? maybe because he thought he could get away with it? what might be helpful is a code

of ethics with teeth like the one president biden proposed last week. on the plane, here is what justice neil gorsuch told fox news in an interview that aired yesterday. experiment when the spotlight is on you, when the government is coming after you, and don't you want a ferociously independent judge and a jury of your peers to make those decisions? isn't that your right as an american? and so, i say, be careful. >> i don't want to over dramatize, but be careful sounds a little like a thinly veiled separate -- threat to the president of the united states. sherrilyn ifill full of thoughts on this and i can't wait to hear them, joins me now. the former president of the naacp fund. i want to ask about his comments but i'll start with thomas. he did not disclose those flights but only disclose the indonesia trip. i'm not saying we should be surprised necessarily.

i won't ask you to get in his head to explain his thinking. it feels there's this pattern of the belief that there's no consequences. i wonder, we have talked about this, what can happen to change this behavior? >> at this point, they are not wrong. there are no consequences. what we are seeing, in the trip, steady drip is the way in which the court really does not think that they are obligated to share all of this information as fully as possible. we should never have had to request this information that was emotionally non-disclose but then to drip out some of the information but not all the information into have these reports telling us about more trips, all quite lavish trips, with the same individual is deeply concerning. this is an actual scandal or

would be if we were in normal times. we are not in normal times. when fordyce had to step down, it was democrats who leaned on him. he was lyndon johnson's close friend and johnson had to say you've got to step down or something that pales in comparison to the revelations we have had about some of these financial dealings. we are not in normal times. we have a dysfunctional congress and a republican party that will not engage on this issue of ethics. essentially, there are no consequences. that does not mean that this is not deeply troubling. and quite concerning in terms of the court's independence which justice gorsuch was just talking about. >> this is a perfect segue. i don't want to over dramatize what he said where he said be careful. it does sound, he was asked

about joe biden, president biden's supreme court reform proposals and that's what he said in response. what did you make of it? >> i didn't take it as a threat but as condescension to be honest. no one cavalierly approaching the idea of supreme court reform , and i have shared with you, i have had my own very slow evolution on this issue, but i always felt there would have to be a responsible process. one of the reasons i join president biden's supreme court commission when i was asked to join in 2022 is because i believed that, should reform happen in the future, there needs to be a process, a careful process. i am not sure how it would seem cavalier for the president to have several years ago assembled a group, very

prominent lawyers and legal minds and scholars, bipartisan group, and korea a commission. asking for study of the issues, wait another two years submit conversation among people asking for more drastic change than the president has proposed, and in this revelations that have come as a result of the press from propublica about these violations that several of the justices have engaged in and they upside down flag at justice alito so mangini thomas, stop the steal rally. we have had this happening. we had one of the republican religious individuals who was trying to lobby the court kind of confess he had been lobbying the court and purchased a building across the street from the court to have better access. so much has happened in two years since a commission that has moved me. i think it moved the president as well. for justice gorsuch to say be careful the tone and condescension is this something

cavalier is being considered, that's how i took that remark. i think the president took tremendous care. >> that's an important word. he had a long journey on this. he had been former chairman of the judiciary committee and thoughtful on this issue, as you have been, and it took a long time to get to this point. their actions prompted a. bp harris, the proposal by president biden. she spoke prior to him speaking about it about court expansion. what do you want to hear from her by the court as this campaign unfolds? >> what i want to hear from the candidate and from the party, the democratic party, is an explanation to the voters of house supreme court reform would happen. what i do not want is the other side of the election, and if the vice president is elected president, to bennett people

say change the supreme court. it's not something that can happel by presidential fiat. we would need both houses of congress prepared to pass legislation to make any of these reform proposals happen and have teeth to them. it's important, incumbent on democrats and the candidate to begin talking about the need for the democrats to win the house and senate if what people want is to have some kind of supreme court reform. that's not on the president. congress holds the power over the supreme court to decide their salaries, decide how many justices are on the court. congress has used that power in the past. when andrew johnson nominated his attorney general, maybe the second worst president, nominated his attorney general to fill an open seat on the court, congress was so annoyed they eliminated the seat. congress has the power. we started with six in 1789 so

we had as many justices as federal circuits. we gone up to eight and one point we had 10 and we are back to nine and we have 13 federal circuits. it would be logical to have 13 justices on the supreme court, but all the power including the jurisdiction of the court, sits with congress. the president can sign the bill but cannot make the bill happen. it needs to be explained to voters so they understand that when they get in that booth if supreme court reform is what they want, it's not enough to vote for the president. you have to understand the importance of having house and senate. >> it's such an important reminder. you need to do a ted talks so everyone understands the branches of government. i know you are an olympic superfan so enjoy the olympics. >> i will. thank you. an unbearably weird confession from presidential candidate rfk jr. solving a mystery. a play-by-play on the most

bizarre story when we come back. back.

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unusual controversy. the strange allegation he wants 80 dog which he says was really a goat. were even more bizarre, the claim he made that a warm a part of his brain. rfk jr. has now found a way to one up himself and although stories. in a video that was apparently intended to blunt the impact of a negative new store that had not come out, kennedy recounts to roseanne barr, of all people, a bizarre incident that took place 10 years ago. one day, while driving to new york for a day of falcon 9 with his friends, i guess that's friend -- fun. he came across the carcass of a black bear cub that was hit by minivan ahead of him. so what did he decide to do? i will let him take it from here. >> so, i pulled over and i

picked up the bear and put it in the back of my van. it was in very good condition and i was going to put the meat in my refrigerator. you can do that in new york because i have a bear take her road killed bear. >> he was going to skin the bear. the carcass is in his trunk so he goes to enjoy the day with the carcass in his trunk and he goes on falcon 9 with his friends. it was glorious, i'm sure. according to kennedy, he realizes he is late for dinner at a steakhouse in brooklyn so rather than go home, he drives about an hour and a half with the dead baby bear in his truck to brooklyn for dinner at one of the most famous steakhouses in the country. of course, the dinner goes late and kennedy says he realized he would need to go to the airport to catch a flight.

for anyone who's ever stashed a dead bear in the trunk of the car while having dinner and needing to hop on a plane, and the next steps may sound obvious. >> somebody asked me to get rid of it. i said let's put it in central park and make it look like it got hit by a bike. that would be funny. everybody thought that's a great idea. so we did that. we thought it would be amusing for whoever found it. >> everybody thought that's a great idea. really? who the mind to question the decision maker of dumping a bear cub? of course, it turned out it wasn't such a great idea. the mysterious dead bear ended up being a huge national news story. wild bears haven't been spotted there in centuries. the story kennedy was trying to get ahead of by posting the strange video, where i want to

know, roseanne barr randomly appears? that came out this morning and didn't include the level of granular detail the kennedy himself provided. the bear incident takes a total two paragraphs in the story, but, they had a picture and if you're wondering out there with the photo of rfk jr. and the dead bear looks like? it looks exactly what you are imagining. like that. this has been a weird presidential cycle with lots of weirdness. rfk jr. has managed to stand out . there are some losers in this story like the bear for example and probably the kennedy campaign. but, perhaps the only winner maybe south dakota governor kristi noem who somehow impossibly is now sharing the podium in the competition for the most disturbing and bizarre animal story of the election cycle. rest in peace. coming up kamala harris has

a huge decision to make and we don't have the breaking news on our running mate yet but we have some news about the role of. those details when we come back. back.

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good at what will be a key part of the running mate's job, going after trump. >> arizona women deserve the right to make the decision about abortion. that and and and that's because of donald trump. women could die because of what the former president did by getting rid of roe v. wade. he said it the other day that he broke roe v. wade. he has taken responsibility for that. >> you know there's something wrong when people talk about freedom, freedom to be in your bedroom, freedom to tell your kids what they can read. that is weird. they come across weird. >> i've got a message to trump and all his negativity and whining, stop talking about america. it's a gratis country on earth and it's time we start acting like it. >> joining me as the chair of the democratic party of wisconsin. one of the best state party chairs in the country in an

important state. you have a huge week coming up. wednesday, vice president kamala harris and our running mate, we don't know who it is, coming to wisconsin. what are you hoping to see from the running mate? >> i am hoping to see the running mate. i am so excited. it's an wall store selection to choose from. hr courage report full of wisconsin cheeses and one will be in wisconsin on wednesday. in western wisconsin, the tv signals are coming from the twin cities. it's a place where people have seen a lot of tim walz. the vice president will be in pennsylvania then she'll be on tim walz' media market and then these other states. we will see a lot of energy around whoever she chooses. the chemistry, the comfort of working with someone as a governing partner just as

harris was with joe biden and knowing someone could be the future person, eight years from now to jump into the shoes of the presidency is a huge deal. what i know is happening is this burst of energy exactly what we need at this moment. wisconsin is the toss of state. what we see is the win -- wind filling our sales. over the last few weeks. >> you have a congressional race, senate race, a lot of things. what have you seen and turns of polling around those races. the down ballot is important. >> what energy generates is the people who say they will vote for democrats is they will show up and they will bring their friends to the polls. in eau claire where the vice president will be comments the congressional district, famous for screaming at teenagers in

the capitol. he did the same in the zone district. he was on the capitol grounds on january 6. he should be a one term republican, bad memory in the history of congress. he could be defeated if democrats show up. there will be tons of students turning up in wisconsin and other battleground states and maybe they could flip two houses in wisconsin. we could flip the state assembly. the message from democrats at all levels of the ballot around freedom, opportunity, around getting government out of personal lives and into the business that everyone has opportunity. that's stop these candidates can speak to from volunteer engagement to social media and answers people get to internal polling, that's going in the right direction finally. >> you love all of them.

tim walz from a neighboring state. he has made weird happen. what about governor schapiro? what about senator kelly? what are their superpowers? >> in wisconsin, we have governors who ran on fixing the roads. fixing roads and bridges is a preoccupation in the upper midwest. people have to drive a long way to the grocery store and work in neighboring towns. governor schapiro has rebuilt i- 95 in that was a colossal achievement that speaks directly to the question of democrats getting things done. for governor kelly, besides being asked or not, he is somebody who can speak to the american aspiration and to gun safety and do so with a square jaw that the far right finds frustrating and people advocating for gun violence

prevention. all these candidates have attributes that make them very strong. this is kind of like, if you send a christmas list and it's one of the things on your christmas list, it's a good thing before you on represents. >> you have the perennial nailbiting state and you still seem to be joyful. we've been talking about joy in politics. you have an important role. one more thing to tell you about before we hand things off. ngs % off.

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looks. i remember that day so well. it was so joyful because it's a big part of any presidential campaign. it adds a new jolt of energy and in some ways it means a campaign doubles in size and otherwise it feels like a lifetime ago. given everything that has happened in the 16 years since then, it's even more evident today the joe biden was the right choice. the guy who bounded up the stairs to bruce springsteen. tomorrow, we will see joe biden's vice president announce her running mate. no matter who kamala harris pics, their life is about to change. they too could have a huge impact on the history of this country. that does it for me. the rachel maddow show starts right now. >> thank you so much for that. i'm glad you had ben to talk about a fives check on waiting for the running mate announcement and also swing

state types check about the strength of the field. super interesting to get his take. >> so interesting. it's six or seven states and he is on the ground and one of the best state party chairs in the country and loved having him here. >> excellent. thank you for joining us. there is so much going on. before we start tonight, i want to note here. please indulge me. there has been a resolution, a not bad news resolution to something we have recovered -- covered on the show. i want to settle this. show we have covered what ve happened to this woman. she was arrested and ultimately tried and convicted and