know, roe was a reversal of rights. though there have been historically in american history reversals of rights, and i'm thinking about jim crow laws in the south, it's pretty unusual, especially in, you know, recent history. i think it was really meaningful, and i think there are still a lot of women who are voting on this incredible, you know, reversal of rights which is deep and profound. >> no doubt. we know that pro choice has been undefeated at the ballot box since the roe decision. the freedom angle is working. molly jong-fast, thank you for joining us this morning. thank you for getting up "way too early" on this tuesday morning to all of you. a jam-packed "morning joe" starts right now. i think we really need to address the fact that this perfect storm really has been circling and marinating all weekend long. we obviously had the fed that

did not give a lot of clarity on wednesday, maybe it'd be september. then friday's economic data showed a boost in unemployment, not good. then we had a weekend full of fear mongering around the middle east and iran attacking israel. then you had the japanese market go down, the largest amount since 1987. all of that together added to this crazy fear thing. we saw the vicks spike above 65 today, which showed fear, as your prior speaker said, not panic but fear. so i don't think this is much a reflection on the economy as much as a perfect storm around all these components happening in the market. you know, fundamentally, nothing that much has changed economically since ten days ago when we were trading at record highs across the board and everyone was saying there is never another down day on wall street. nothing fundamentally has changed. >> okay.

>> that was new york stock exchange trader explaining yesterday's global market sell-off. >> he was good. >> he's into. as you pointed out, and andrew ross sorkin said, what goes down also goes up. the indexes are all posting gains this morning. japan's nikkei closed up 10%, its largest single day gain since 2008. we'll dig into the seesaw of it all. >> the thing is, that's important to realize. if you look at the fundamentals of the economy, it's still very strong. the things we were saying last week are true this week. we are still is envy of the world. economically in every way. even the market, my gosh, the past four year, it's just exploded. this was a slight correction. there may be more of a correction to come, but that has more to do with how stocks have been overpriced. the overexuberance that we've

been hearing traders warn about for a very, very long time, that these stocks are being overpriced. but we'll see what happens. the nikkei, again, bouncing back yesterday. we'll see what happens today. also this morning, there's fallout from the comments donald trump made over the weekend in georgia. >> uh. >> we'll explain why that state may be back in play for democrats this november. with us, we have the host of "way too early," white house bureau chief at "politico," jonathan lemire. special correspondent for bbc news, katty kay is with us. managing editor at the "bulwark," sam stein. and editor of "washington post," eugene robinson. >> what's with the glasses? >> lemire? >> this is the latest effort in my ongoing struggle to look smarter. at this point -- >> or you get up at 2:00 a.m. >> -- i have largely failed to

this point in my life and career, so this is just the latest, latest trick that i am trying. we'll go for it for a few days, see how it goes. do we like them? >> i like it. >> and try again. >> all right. failing. >> you look adorable. >> katty kay -- no, jonathan, you look great. >> thank you, joe. >> katty kay, keir starmer is starting off -- there's not a lot of reporting, but white nationalists, neo-nazis have been doing horrific things to muslims, to people of color generally. i saw a headline of a filipino nurse that was being rushed in to help with some injuries caused by these white nationalist rioters. she was pelted with rocks. what's going on over there? can you explain how this was all started by a big lie? >> yeah. this was triggered by an

absolutely just awful event a couple weeks ago. three young girls who had been to a taylor swift dance, you know, class, were stabbed to death by an individual who, for a while out on social media, it was claimed that the killer was a muslim. that triggered attacks against mosques in stockport, the town where these girls were killed, and rioting out on the streets. it then turned out the killer was not a muslim, he was a 17-year-old, but the police made the unusual step of releasing his name. his parents had bee rowandan refugees. he was born here. it hasn't stopped the far-white nationalists from coming on the streets and attack those who they think they shouldn't be there, whether because they're brown or muslims.

what they'd like to do, the government, is have a load of arrests very fast, but the u.s. justice system is slow. it takes time to get these people through courts. they really want to send a message out. keir starmer has been out very much in public saying this is not acceptable, denouncing the protesters. but it's an indication of some of this is social media, people jumping. you have young kids who seem to have -- weirdly, young kids jumping into this who seem to have no political agenda at all, but it is summertime, they're off school, they see the violence, and they pile in. it has to stop. it has to be stopped, more importantly. >> anarchy in the uk. we remember the images from the 1970s. i will say, this is a great opportunity for the new prime minister to show strength and act aggressively and clean up the streets. get these racists off the streets. arrest them. make sure that they face justice. gene robinson, before we get to the news of the day, behold, you

bring tidings of good news to democrats east, west, north, and south, for unto them is born the reason for exuberance. you know, democrats, it's one thing i never understood about democrats. >> yeah. >> they're like, we don't deserve good things. i'm like, b.s., you take what you need. you fight. if you need it, you take it by getting the most votes. by knocking on the most doors. >> exactly. >> every time you knock on a door, every time you plant a yard sign, you do it with exuberance. you do it with joy. you do it knowing you have no choice but to win. >> right, yeah. >> gene, you're telling democrats, it's okay. you can be happy while you're going out about your business of working hard and winning elections. >> right. you don't have to be overconfident, but be happy. you just had, like, two of the

best weeks ever in politics, right? you've had this amazing couple of weeks. you've got more money than you can spend at this point. you just have to figure out how to spend it. you've got an opponent, a republican ticket, that's self-destructing in any number of ways. they just helped you put georgia back in play for the election. so, yeah, you should be a little pumped at this point, and you can be happy about what has happened without saying, you know -- without being overconfident, without being silly about it and sort of not tending to business. tend to your business, and get it done. you know, three yards and a cloud of dust, there's that part of it, but do it with some joy. do it, you know -- >> exactly. >> it's a happy time for the democratic party right now.

>> as old nike commercials always say. >> yes. >> do it like sam stein, with a smile on your face. vice president kamala harris will announce her running mate for the democratic ticket -- [ laughter ] -- at some point today. >> i'm being objectified. >> just a little bit. >> again. >> she'll appear with that pick at an event this evening in philadelphia. nbc news reports the finalists still include senator mark kelly and transportation secretary pete buttigieg, as well as governors andy beshear, jb pritzker, josh shapiro, and tim walz. while buttigieg is in the running, he is scheduled to be in maine today and tomorrow as part of his cabinet role. shapiro had a fairly normal day where he had and played basketball with his son while his two dogs looked on at the bevy of reporters staked outside their home. that's not what my dog would be doing. okay, not to read the tea

leaves, but hours from now, he is set to deliver remarks at today's harris for president event at temple university. meanwhile, walz appeared at a harris fundraiser in minnesota where reporters say he made a veiled reference to the vp slot, saying, quote, you all know, you don't wake up as a schoolteacher just angry about something and figure out how to get elected to congress and become the governor, and then life comes at you fast. whatever happens." wow, that's not veiled, doesn't seem veiled. >> it doesn't seem veiled, but it's getting next to impossible to read the tea leaves. seems like about a week ago -- and, by the way, that's credit to the harris campaign that really have done a great job, sam stein, at keeping this very close. about a week ago, i started getting reporting from various sources that josh shapiro was a look. then i started getting reporting

that there was fierce and furious pushback against others in the party that were trying to undermine his candidacy. so now, the last 24 hours, we've been hearing that tim walz is a lock, which means, of course, we know absolutely nothing about what kamala harris is going to do. >> nothing. >> it's probably, you know, going to be walz or shapiro. >> yeah, this is such a weird process because it's been condensed to a couple weeks, right? usually, you don't have the prospective vp candidates out there in public, kind of demonstrating their acumen to be vp, right? usually, they're more subtle about it. in this case, because it was so condensed, you had shapiro, walz, jp pritzker saying, hey,

this is what i can bring to the ticket. at this juncture, honestly, i have yet to hear a definitive, you know, one way o another. it could go either way. you correctly identified the two frontrunners here, i think. the only thing i would say is that the amount of anti-shapiro stuff that has been pushed, not just publicly but privately, suggests both that he is the frontrunner, because people are trying to knock him off the pedestal, but also, like, weird discomfort in the party over him i did not know existed. i think ultimately the party would get around him for obvious reasons. also, i think the case for him outweighs the case against him substantially. but that's been the most interesting thing for me the past week, is watching this sort of late and anti-shapiro movement kind of take hold. >> anti-semitism, i'll say it as a baptist. i mean, you've got the most

gifted speaker of the lot. you've got -- when you see kamala harris and josh shapiro together, just a generational shift, a really dynamic, striking generational shift. jfk caught us politics is visual. seeing those two younger candidates on the screen, and in american politics, younger means anybody that was born after 1946. you see those two younger, dynamic people on the screen, and you're like, wait, okay, wow, this is a new generation ready to go past old grievances and move forward. and i will say, too, let's just say it, mika and i have both been impressed by governor walz. but we've been impressed by governor walz watching his witty little asides with his daughter or on twitter.

he's democratic governor of minnesota. i will say, though, he is -- there is a reason, jonathan lemire, the left wing likes him. this is definitely a left wing versus a centrist battle right now that is playing out. it's not about israel. there are people that are attacking josh shapiro in a veiled way on israel because he's jewish. it's that simple. tim walz has hugged benjamin netanyahu, embraced him, talks about our close alliance. and his language on israel is actually, is actually -- it'd be more of a concern if they're worried about palestinian protests outside of chicago than, yeah, let me say it, the jew, josh shapiro, who has called benjamin netanyahu the worst prime minister in israel's history. so this is shaping up, people on

the far left are not liking shapiro, and just bluntly, this anti-semitism strain that we see from extremes on the left and the right, unfortunately, finding its way into this fierce pushback against a man who i think, with all due respect to everybody else, seems beyond. it's the logical pick, especially if you'd like to win pennsylvania, the one state you have to win. >> yeah, you certainly identified parts of the reasons why there is a pushback to shapiro. a lot is also perception versus reality. he and walz really not that different on israel and other issues. but you're right, so our reporting this morning shows that though no one has been officially eliminated, it'd be a surprise, a real surprise if it were anybody other than walz or shapiro. this is the pick. i think you hit upon it, that walz is seen as more progressive, more left than sha

piro. what message does vice president harris want to send? is it a nod to her portion of the party, or is it picking the more progressive governor of pennsylvania? most running mates are not selected based on where they're from. this feels like it could be the exception to that rule. pennsylvania is the most important state on the map for a democrat. >> yeah. >> shapiro is very popular. 60%, 61%, 62%, 63% in the polls. that'd be a good argument, but it's not the only thing the vice president will consider when we learn her choice in the next few hours. >> one thing we have no idea about and who does she have chemistry with? you know, they've got to fit together in a constructive way. she has to feel that about whoever she picks as her running mate. they're going to be spending a lot of time together, and they're going to be -- and when they're apart, they're going to

have to be working in concert. you know, four years is a long time. and we have no idea about that. we just don't know. i think we really don't know who it's going to be. i'll go along with the conventional wisdom that it is hereto shapiro or walz. i am not entirely convinced that the others are ruled out at this point. we just don't know. >> yeah, it is very exciting. we'll see what happens today. >> yeah. the other big story this morning, the markets. they are rebounding this morning after yesterday's massive global sell-off. the dow dropped more than 1,000 points, and the s&p lost 3%, the worst session since september of 2022 for both. the sell-off started in japan with its market posting the worst day since 1987, which had a ripple effect around the world. but that index recovered significantly today. despite yesterday's losses, the

dow closed about 7,500 points higher than when donald trump left the white house on january 20th, 2021. >> i'm sorry, hold on. what'd you say? could you read that again? >> it closed higher than when donald trump left the white house on january 20th, 2021. >> so you're saying right now, even after the bad day yesterday. >> the kamala crash they're calling it. >> it finished higher than when donald trump left office. people are that much richer that are calling biden and harris socialists. so can i just, can i just, if they're keeping score at home? >> go ahead. >> stock market is 7,500 points higher than it was when donald trump left office. also, illegal border crossings -- >> we're going to go there. >> -- are lower now than they were when donald trump left office. >> okay. >> that's all i've got to say for now. it's pretty fascinating, what a great job biden and harris have

done. i'm looking forward to hearing about it on other right-leaning networks. >> no matter what the actual facts are, donald trump was quick to drop it on kamala harris. in a series of posts and later in a campaign ad, trump branded the meltdown a, quote, kamala crash. he claimed the country is heading into world war iii and another -- >> i was afraid he was about to say, we're about to go into the spanish-american war. sometimes he's a couple wars behind. >> a harris campaign spokesman wrote, quote, what middle class families need is steady economic stewardship, not chaotic ranting, lies. donald trump had the worst jobs record of any modern president and oversaw some of the worst days in the stock market in history, while spending his presidency lining the pockets of his wealthy friends who shipped

american jobs overseas. he even announced that in a phone call at mar-a-lago. >> yeah. >> just called them up and said, "i got you guys your tax cuts." on camera in front of everyone. super appropriate. >> made everyone rich. despite blaming kamala harris for the stock market plunge, trump spent the better part of the last three years taking credit for wall street's gains under the biden administration. which is it really? fox news host neil cavuto yesterday called out trump for trying to have it both ways. >> donald trump and the market amazes me. when they're up, it's all because of him and looking forward to him. when they're down, it's all because the democrats and how horrific they are. yet, some of our biggest point falloffs, three of the biggest of the top ten occurred during his administration. now, a lot of those were in the covid years, i get that, but, you know, you either own the markets or you don't. it does confuse me. i keep a very, very close look at all the records here, sell-offs and otherwise.

three big ones, the three biggest among them in the history of the markets occurred during the trump administration. they occurred under his watch. just want to remind you of that. >> wow, three of the worst days in wall street history happened under donald trump. >> i think it's a very fair assessment, especially if you keep track of things like this. the anchor of cnbc's "worldwide exchange," frank holland. >> all right. frank, we've seen the nikkei rebounding 10% overnight. what are we expecting when the dow opens up, the nasdaq today? >> good morning, joe and mika. we have the futures, of course. we're seeing a modest bounceback on wall street while looking at the futures. dow looks like it'd open higher. nasdaq and s&p half a percent. the futures give indication we could see a rebound, but it is important to note, and something

a lot of u.s. investors are watching, that is european stocks. they open higher and turn negative. that crosses the atlantic and weighs on the u.s. market, something a lot of people are watching. you also talked about this. we're saying the u.s. seeing a modest bounceback. japan, huge bounceback over there. yesterday, the nikkei had its worst day since october of 1987, the so-called black monday crash. today, best since october 2008. up 10%. best one-day point performance ever. >> wow. >> that's fascinating. talk about, frank, a lot of different things going on, but you've had some of the sages of wall street saying for some time the value of stocks have been overpriced. >> right. >> how much of this do you think was just a correction waiting to be had? because some stocks were just -- according, again, to people who actually know about this stuff, just overinflated.

>> well, you know what, it is a multifacet issue. number one, mega cap earnings like alphabet disappointed to investors. it was one data point in the earnings. ad youtube revenue slid. amazon expect to see. the consumers sparked markets. jobs report came in lower than expected, unemployment go up a bit from where we've seen it recently. a lot of people were worried about a slowdown in the economy and possibly a recession. back to your main question about valuations, all year long, people have talked about mega cap tech stocks being high valuation, lofty, frothy, some of the words people used. the stocks rose so much, they were essentially priced to perfection, something you'll hear on cnbc a lot. basically, any small issue in the earnings report, you'll see a sell-off. also, a lot of people expecting

the fed cuts in september. a lot of people rotating into more rate-sensitive sectors, industrials, financials, materials. of course, in some cases, you have to sell some of the winners to buy into some of the other stocks. it's a lot of factors leading to the sell-off when it comes to mega cap tech. >> all right. frank holland, thank you so much. greatly appreciate it. >> great to see you guys. >> great to see you, too. katty kay, we'll be waiting to see what happens with the market. it is also obviously a lot of people in the political world concerned about how that's going to possibly impact the upcoming race. but a lot of twists and turns between now and november. >> yeah. i mean, look what's happened the last three weeks. if we think we'll be able to judge today what's going to be happening in three weeks's time, we've all had a lesson in hubris the last months. if an interest rate comes, it could be good for kamala harris. if it comes in september, could be good for democrats. the likelihood of that trickling down between september and november, most economists think

is slim. it takes longer than that, but stability is what most voters will look for. if the volatility continues, it could be a problem. if it stables out, people will forget these glips. what we're learning about an attack that injured several u.s. service members in iraq. nbc's courtney kube joins us with the latest on that. we'll also go live to jerusalem amid escalating tensions between israel and iran. nbc's richard engel is standing by. plus, after congratulating vladimir putin for last week's prisoner exchange, donald trump is now praising another authoritarian leader. >> who just stole an election. >> okay. >> who just stole an election south of us. we're back in 90 seconds. >> worth watching, guys. some of the square roots of any two sides of an isosceles triangle is equal to the sides of the remaining. >> that's a right triangle, you

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broken pieces of furniture. at one point, he attacked a fellow rioter who was trying to disarm him. dempsey pleaded guilty in january to two felony counts of assaulting police, just a fraction of the crimes that officials say he committed that day. nine staff members have been fired by the main u.n. relief agency in gaza. it follows an internal investigation of israeli allegations that workers there participated in the october 7th terror attack. according to the findings, 9 of the 19 people accused, quote, may have been involved. congress voted in march to eliminate all donations to the agency until at least march of 2025. and bloomberg news has apologized for breaking an embargo and publishing a story last week that revealed a prisoner exchange involving the united states and russia. white house officials wanted to

keep the news under wraps until the prisoners were released into u.s. custody. bloomberg said they violated ethical standards. the apology came hours after the publisher of the "wall street journal," the paper where evan gershkovich works, said this on "morning joe." >> all i can say is that the standards we apply at "the wall street journal" are very clear on that you don't report something unless you have it confirmed. you just don't want to push ahead. embargoes are embargoes. when people's lives are at stake, you take embargoes even more seriously. so i'll leave it at that. >> gene, i've got a question. actually a bit confused by this. we heard yesterday about a reporter who, just an excellent reporter, one of the most respected in washington, d.c., was blamed for this. >> mm-hmm, yeah. >> what i found to be so

interesting is that, at least the way i remembered it, reporters would report, they'd write stories, they'd hand it to their editors, and then it was editors who made the decision whether to, you know, print the story or break it. didn't all this strike you as confusing yesterday, that you had the publisher pointing a finger at a reporter for the paper actually releasing the story? >> yeah, i'm very confused. because, in fact, the way you described it is the way it does work. editors do make the decision as to what actually gets published and what does not, at least at "the washington post." reporters do not hit the button and publish something. editors are, you know, that's their job, to make those judgment calls. in the case of something like an

embargo, i don't know any other facts about this. i know that, you know, if a reporter is not entirely honest or straightforward with an editor, the editor doesn't have full information about what's going on, that would be one potential reason you would be angry at a reporter. i have no indication that anything like that happened in this case. >> none. >> as you said, ultimately, the buck stops with the editor. it really does. >> exactly. >> that's the way it's all worked, and that's the way it still works. >> yup. all right. we're also following developing news out of iraq of a suspected rocket strike on al assad air base believed to have injured several u.s. personnel. that's according to a defense official who spoke with nbc news. for more, let's bring in reporter on the story, nbc news pentagon correspondent courtney kube. she also covers national security. courtney, what more do we know about this?

>> yeah, so this was two rockets that are believed to have been fired by an iranian-backed militia group operating in iraq. they landed on this base in western iraq, al assad, an iraqi base, but it houses u.s. and other coalition troops, including u.s. personnel that are contractors. it struck the base, injuring personnel. at this point, we don't have a lot more fidelity on exactly the nature of those injuries, but i am told none of them are expecting to be life-threatening. but this is an escalation. now, many of these militia groups, there are a number of them operating throughout iraq and syria, they do take shots at bases fairly frequently. the fact these rockets not only made it onto the base but caused injuries is really raising eyebrows at the pentagon and across the u.s. military. it comes at an increased time of tension throughout the region. not only just what has been an

extremely tense situation since october 7th, but last week, the israelis acknowledged that they killed a hezbollah leader outside of beirut, and then there was the assassination in tehran of haniyeh, a leader of hamas. iran has vowed very clearly to retaliate for that. the big question is, what could that retaliation or that response look like? many officials believe one of the players in that response could be some of these militia groups in iraq and syria, who have taken shots at u.s. and other troops in the region. but so far, officials believe this is not the beginning of a larger response. that being said, they really are watching for an increase in activity by some of these groups. again, in iraq and syria, we've heard a lot in recent months about the activities of the iranian-backed houthis in yemen. the question is could we see an uptick in that?

then, of course, how will iran ultimately decide to respond? joe and mika, we have seen a lot of comparisons to what they did in april when they vowed to respond to and, in fact, they did respond to an israeli strike. that one occurred in syria. they launched off hundreds of projectiles toward israel. the u.s. still has a lot of air defense systems in the region should they need to help israel defend. at this point, it's still an open question, how iran may respond to these provocations last week. >> right. all right. nbc's courtney kube, thank you so much for your reporting. we greatly appreciate it. katty, if you look back at april when they launched thousands of projectiles to little to no effect, israel intercepting most of those with the help of the united states and other allies in the region, and then also i'd go back to january of 2020, when the united

states killed soleimani. the iranians did something similar as they've done here. they launched missile attacks at a u.s. base, and they immediately contacted our allies in the region and said, pass along to the united states. we just had to do that. nothing else is coming after this. it was basically a game-saving device, as were the missile attacks in april. i'm curious if we're going to see something different here or if the iranians still are in a position where they don't want to provoke the united states. >> certainly true back in april. they literally told the israelis, this is what is coming your direction. they gave them a heads-up that allowed israel to defend itself, and none of the missiles caused any harm within israel. the fear this time around is that even if the iranians feel they don't want to escalate the war, how many times can they be

provoked before they do something that precipitates some kind of wider conflict, some kind of mistake occurs. i heard richard haass talking about this earlier -- just yesterday. there is always a risk of some kind of mistake in that region, and tensions are very high. when you're sitting on a tinderbox, everybody, and that's why the diplomacy is intense at the moment on all sides, the diplomacy has to work overtime to make sure a mistake doesn't lead to a wider conflict. they have to retaliate for the killing of haniyeh, but they have to don't in a way that doesn't precipitate a wider conflict if that's not what they want. >> so let's go to jerusalem now. joining us from jerusalem is nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel. what is the latest there? >> reporter: so i was here in

april and i'm here once again. just to reiterate what you were talking about, last time, when iran retaliated for an israeli assassination, it did telegraph it. we were all watching. i was standing on this very rooftop waiting for the drones and missiles to come in. iran announced when they were launching. it announced the direction they were going, more or less. it said ballistic missiles. the israelis and americans had to look up at the sky, point and shoot. it was like skeet shooting. some of the ballistic missiles did get through, and the u.s. and israel were satisfied with their response, that the equipment worked and that a wider war was averted. this time, there is a lot more mystery. the israelis -- the iranians don't seem to be telegraphing what they intend to do nearly as

closely. so this is something like a game of wait and see. when is it going to happen? what going to happen? we're all trying to read between the tea leaves. there are some tea leaves that give a few indications. one, the centcom commander is here. that is a very concrete sign. he came here to help coordinate the u.s./israeli response back in april. his presence in the country is a sign that the u.s. anticipates something could be happening soon. u.s. officials say they are observing movements of missiles within iran taking place. it could be a distraction. it could be a diversion. it could be preparations. russia, and this is a new dynamic, is also involved in the picture. the russian defense minister was in iran yesterday. today, the iranian media are reporting that not only did they request russian air defense systems, which are very

sophisticated, state of the art pieces of equipment, but some of those air defense systems have already arrived. that would indicate, perhaps, we have a little bit more time as iran is trying to harden its defenses. then one more tea leaf, because that's really all we have to go on at this stage, it's not being telegraphed like last time. there is a meeting tomorrow in saudi arabia of the organization of the islamic conference. it is possible that iran wants to seek approval of the broader islamic world for retaliation before it carries one out. but to go back to what katty was saying earlier, iran has said it is going to respond. it feels that it is duty-bound to respond to an attack on the political leader of hamas right in the capital of tehran, during inaugurations, right after he had met with iran's supreme leader. >> so, richard, if you will,

give us some insight on what benjamin netanyahu is facing. not only at home but internationally. you have joe biden, of course, reportedly angry with netanyahu because he keeps moving away from a peace deal to get the hostages home and to give the israeli people some relief from this. and this from reuters yesterday. jerusalem, august 5th, reuters, israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu is facing anger in israel and abroad over his handling of talks on the gaza cease fire that have faltered, just as fears have grown that the crisis could spiral into war with iran, three israeli officials said. divisions between netanyahu and the defense establishment over the deal which could diffuse the crisis that risks ungulfing the middle east also exists in public remarks and behind closed doors. this is a man that observers

inside and outside of israel had predicted from the beginning would keep this war going as long as he could. because he knew after the war ended, he would be out of office and would face charges. that friction, that tension seems to be rising with israel's most important ally and seems to be rising inside israel itself. tell us about it. >> reporter: so this is one of the most important and perhaps least understood dynamics of this entire conflict. it is the dynamic of benjamin netanyahu himself, who has been dominating israeli politics for the last 20 years. and who faced an enormous failure on the october 7th attacks. he's never really accepted responsible for it. yes, he also faces numerous investigations. the concern by netanyahu and people around him is if he leaves office, he is in enormous

trouble. his reputation will be destroyed in history. he could end up in prison. therefore, he is trying to keep the conflict going as long as possible and keep changing the rules of the game, keeps extending the goalposts. there is a lot of anger here against prime minister netanyahu. some of it is coming from the hostage families themselves. there has been the workings of a hostage deal on the table for r times. hamas even said they'd agreed to the terms, and then israel came back and said, well, the terms hamas agreed to weren't exactly the same terms that israel agreed to. but they were very close. now, suddenly, israel care res carries out this assassination in iran, during the inauguration of one of the top negotiators for hamas. so the peace talks have collapsed. families who were hopeful are

now in a great sense of despair. they worry that netanyahu is doing this for his own political motivations, to keep the conflict going long enough that perhaps president trump can come into office, change the dynamic, save him, and give him a new lease on life. so i would say israelis are divided. there is the official line that, yes, israel wants to kill hamas leaders, and it will do that when and wherever it can, and then there is the other narrative, and there are many in the biden administration and also here in israel that believe that targeting this hamas official, who was not hiding. he was a negotiator. he was someone who was easy to find. in that way, at that time, was a provocative political move potentially for netanyahu's own benefit. >> nbc's richard engel, thank you very much for your reporting and analysis. we appreciate it. still ahead right here on

"morning joe," arizona's attorney general has agreed to drop nine felony charges after former trump lawyer jenna -- against former trump lawyer jenna ellis in exchange for her full cooperation in the plan to subvert the 2020 election results. what it means for the 17 other co-defendants in the fake electors case. plus, we'll have a look at the latest olympic medal haul for team usa at the paris games. >> think willie will stumble out? >> i don't know. he has a great view in that little balcony. >> comes out with a cigarette. >> "morning joe" will be right back. can you do this? as early as your 40s you may lose muscle and strength. protein supports muscle health. ensure max protein has a 30 gram blend of high quality protein to feed muscles for up to seven hours. so take the challenge.

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her into third by one tenth of a point for her very first individual olympic medal. to tahiti, where marx won gold in the women's contest. meanwhile, team usa added to its medal count in track and field with valerie allman winning gold in the women's discus throw for the second consecutive summer games. and pole vaulter sam kendricks took silver after clearing nearly 6 meters to earn a spot on the podium. the u.s. also grabbed silver in the triathlon mixed team relay. adding to the silver it also got from that event in the 2020 games in tokyo. american duo hancock and smith won silver in the inaugural mixed team skeet shooting final. that marks the fifth olympic medal for hancock, four gold and

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"sports illustrated" cover back then, joe, with orioles fans with paper bags on their heads. we may have a similar situation in the south side of chicago. 21 losses in a row, almost hard to fathom. >> yeah, it's tough. the paper bags will come out like the saints when they called themselves the ain'ts. >> that's mean. >> it's very sad. >> okay. >> let's bring in somebody who -- i usually go to tahiti with this guy for a week around his birthday, and we also surf. >> yeah. >> i mean, we hang fire, man. msnbc contributor mike barnicle joins us now. mike, yeah, this is bleak. it's bleak when you look at what's been happening with the white sox. they actually, i believe, are on pace to have the worst record than the 1962 mets, the team that casey single looked around and famously asked, can't

anybody around here play this game? well, the south side of chicago, the answer seems to be no. no, they can't. >> you know, joe, the major league level of baseball, it is almost impossible to conceive of a team losing 21 straight games. i mean, a fluke can occur, as it does every evening you watch major league baseball in some game or another. the idea of 21 straight losing games, poor jerry reinsdorf in chicago. long-time owner of the white sox. he's got to be wondering, why is he still investing in major league baseball? it's crazy. it's pathetic. it's sad. they've traded off several key parts of a rebuilding progress already this summer. i don't know what they're going to do, but, my god, it's awful. >> i mean, you look at baltimore -- i mean, you look at the white sox and also look at the a's. it's just gross negligence by the owners of both those

organizations. you do wonder, at what point does major league baseball step in and say, if you don't want to run your teams, sell it to somebody who will. >> well, that's a key point in terms of oakland. i mean, you mentioned oakland. they are moving to sacramento. they don't have a place to play really in sacramento. >> right. >> where is major league baseball? across the street on 6th avenue in new york city. let's go over there and knock on the door and say, get going. get these teams in shape, you know, for fans to watch games in a major league ballpark. come on, cut it out. >> all right. still ahead, how much is wisconsin at play? we'll be joined by the chair of the wisconsin democratic party on the renewed enthusiasm in the state following vice president kamala harris's white house run. plus, former house speaker pelosi will join us to talk about the race.

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experience with deep remorse. >> that was jenna ellis, a former donald trump attorney, when she pleaded guilty in the georgia election case and was sentenced to five years of probation and $5,000 in restitution. now, ellis is cooperating in another election-related case. she's one of the 18 defendants in the arizona fake electors's indictment. yesterday, she signed a cooperation agreement with prosecutors there who are dropping the nine felony charges against ellis in exchange for her testimony. joining us now, former litigator and msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin. lisa, first of all, tell us where this entire case stands, what impact it could have on donald trump, if any or if not, and then how important would her testimony be? >> let's start, mika, with where this case stands, which is at the outset of proceedings. we had a series of hearings earlier in the summer where the

defendants got to enter their pleas. shortly after that, the lead prosecutor, nick clingerman, told a gaggle of reporters that they'll make some plea offers. in fact, when he made that statement, he knew he had met with jenna ellis just the day before. a meeting referred to in the plea documents. that's where jenna ellis laid out for prosecutors, here's what i can give you. here's what i am prepared to say. here is what i know about the events at issue in this indictment. indeed, jenna ellis, in cutting a plea deal here, is pleading guilty, but there will be no charges against her. there will be no consequences for her unless, and this is a big unless, unless prosecutors find that during that june 17th meeting or at any time in the future, she lies to them about what transpired in arizona. now, with respect to the former president, as you noted, he

hasn't been charged yet. he is unindicted co-conspirator 1 in this indictment. jenna ellis's plea deal necessitate she cooperate with prosecutors in a variety of different ways and across a variety of investigations. there is a subtle suggestion in the plea documents that not only will her statements be provided to defendants in the existing case, but they'll be provided with respect to any criminal case that arises out of a referenced investigation and a referenced grand jury proceeding. does that mean that prosecutors are contemplating potentially charging the former president? it could be that they are waiting to see what happens in others of these cases, including how the presidential immunity decision affects the federal election interference case before judge tanya chutkan, which as we discussed yesterday, was just reactivated. >> do you think the plea deal jenna ellis cut was unusually generous? >> i think the plea deal was

exceptionally generous, but, mike, remember, she's the first person to plead out here. she also is the linchpin, potentially, to perhaps the person that prosecutors are most interested in hearing from next. that would be rudy giuliani. when you look at the indictment, where jenna ellis is mentioned, it's solely to her work with rudy giuliani in meeting with arizona legislators. we know rudy giuliani in arizona played two parts. one was part of the campaign to convince arizona legislators to have a do-over or invalidate the certified results of the election. but he was also involved in the corresponding and parallel fake electors's scheme also run through boris. there is no indication that shows jenna ellis was also part of the fake electors's scheme. however, she's been charged with forgery in respect of the fake electors's scheme, just like

everybody else has. is jenna ellis going to be the person who can connect the dots for prosecutors? she may be, or she may provide such damaging information about mr. giuliani, he has no choice but to talk to prosecutors himself, something he has avoided in some of the other cases. >> yeah. l lisa, i was going to ask you about rudy. if i recall, throughout the fall and into the winter of 2020 to 2021, she was next to him. he was leading the charge, but she was his right-hand person. so putting rudy aside, obviously, we established that trump is unindicted co-conspirator number 1 here. does it have an opportunity to bleed into the presidential election? it's a state case. trump is going to argue he has nothing to do with this. even if it were to touch him, that he has some immuity from it. for the viewers, can you give us a sense of the timing of this and if it has the ability to or the possibility that it could affect the presidential

campaign? >> i think it could affect the presidential campaign, sam, in a political sense, right? depending on what jenna ellis says and how it incentivizes other people perhaps to seek or accept plea deals, there could be some information in the public domain that isn't yet common knowledge, that could impact voter behavior. but as to the carrying out of this exact case, do i think, for example, that arizona is barrelling toward a priel trial before the election or soon after? i do not. but they've avoided charging former president trump. insofar as they've done that, they have a clearer path to pretrial proceedings working more smoothly than perhaps we're seeing in the federal cases and certainly we're seeing in georgia right now. >> all right. msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin, thank you very much. we appreciate your reporting and insight this morning. it is five minutes past the top of the hour.

vice president harris will announce her running mate for the democratic ticket at some point today and will appear with the pick at an event this evening in philadelphia. nbc news reports the finalists still include senator mark kelly and transportation secretary pete buttigieg, as well as governors andy beshear, jp pritzker, josh sha hshapiro, an walz. buttigieg will be in maine today and tomorrow as part of his cabinet roll. walz will deliver remarks at the harris for president event at temple university. he appeared yesterday in a fundraiser in minnesota where he said, quote, i think all of you know, you don't wake up as a schoolteacher just angry about something and figure out how to get elected to congress, and become the governor, and then life comes at you fast. whatever happens. okay. let's bring in the co-host of msnbc's "the weekend," former senior adviser and chief

spokesperson to vice president kamala harris, symone sanders town end. what is your gut? >> look, my gut says that the vice president has likely made a decision but the events of yesterday, with the attack on americans in the base in iraq, has maybe derailed a little bit or just, you know, put a pause on when she was making that information known to others. but i still think we are on track to see today a vice president with her running mate. i know everybody has their favorites. folks are like, so and so would be so good for this. governor shapiro is great for that. governor walz is good for this. the reality is, this is the first presidential level decision that any nominee for democratic or republican nominee would make, and it is the vice president's decision to make.

whomever she picks will be great, and the party should coalesce around them quickly. we're barrelling toward the election. >> certainly, the vice president's first pe weeks atope ticket couldn't have gone better. raising money, rising in the polls. to symone's point, this is the first major decision she has to make, and it's in an accelerated, compressed timetable. two weeks's time before the convention starts in chicago. gene robinson, there is a belief there is a top two here, walz or shapiro, but others have not been eliminated. i want to run something by you a smart democrat said to me the last couple days. over the last couple years of shapiro's blockbuster win in pennsylvania, then there was open speculation whether president biden would run again, shapiro was named as someone, well, if the president steps aside, he could step in and run.

he could take on vice president harris, had there been an open primary. he is a name people know, a rising star. walz is a little bit more a late breaker here in this race. this person worries slightly that if shapiro is not picked, suddenly, the story would be, why wasn't he? that'll expose some democratic divides or questions, why would you give up a clear path to win pennsylvania? we're all reading tea leaves. it is not clear what the vice president will prioritize, and you mentioned earlier, chemistry is involved in it. it is a complicated pick. >> i agree shapiro's name at least is better known that are walz's naturally. i'm not sure shapiro himself is that. in other words, i don't think a lot of people have watched him give speeches, for example, or paid that close attention. people outside of pennsylvania, i don't think they've paid that close of attention. they just know he is a successful democratic governor in the swing state who is very

popular. but i get your point, so if it's not shapiro, why is it not shapiro? i think some people will ask that question. but i do come back to the chemistry question. i think these interviews she's been conducting, that vice president harris has been conducting with the possible vice presidential picks are really important. you just have to have -- you have to know, i think, this is the right person. you have to feel confident and comfortable that this is the right person. and if you're uneasy about it, then, you know, if one makes a little more political sense than the other but you're not comfortable with the one that makes more sense, i think you go with the other. you know, if there is not a huge difference. and we're talking about this. we actually do not know whom she has chosen. they have been really, really distressingly good at keeping the secret. >> really have, which says something about her operation,

how tight it has been regarding leaks. there were, again, some leaks about a week ago that it looked like it was shapiro. since then, since, really, the unprecedented backlash against shapiro, the governor of pennsylvania, it's been very quiet. a lot of guessing going on. mike barnicle, it's said that a vice president never picks up a state. of course, for a presidential candidate. that said, we all, of course, are north star on this issue would be 1960 and jfk picking lbj to get texas. did not work for michael dukakis in 1988. but it is hard, it is hard to look at shapiro and his numbers. approval ratings in some polls in the 60s. look at pennsylvania as the most

important state, the political beachhead of 2024. if your good buddy tim were here, he'd be writing, pennsylvania, pennsylvania, pennsylvania. it is a must-win for both. it's hard to look at the very popular governor of that state and go, eh, i don't know if i'm completely comfortable with him. i think i'll go with governor walz. what do you think? >> well, you know, the only downside for governor shapiro of pennsylvania is that he has an intense dislike for the boston celtics. he's expressed it several times. in any event -- >> that's a problem. >> -- you're absolutely right. he is an incredible communicator, first of all. he is very popular in pennsylvania. he would be a real asset in picking up pennsylvania for the democrats, which they have to do. that's a must-win state, as we all know. the interesting thing about the vice presidential selection

process, and gene was just talking about it, is the lid that they have put on the process itself. there hasn't been a single leak really, that this is the person who she is going to name. not one single leak. thus, the democrats and the vice president have owned almost all of august and late july in terms of being in the public press and on people's minds. so that's an asset right there. >> yeah. >> no doubt about it. >> i think that's true. at the risk of offending some of the viewers, i think donald trump actually said something quite right this week when he said, this is a two or three-day story. there is a flurry of attention around the vp pick, and then the attention reverts back to the presidential nominee. that's kamala harris. i think either josh shapiro or tim walz, there will be a few week who grumble about either one, but there's so much momentum in the party and so much desire for unity, that i can't imagine the democratic national convention being anything other than a display of

party celebration. whoever is the vice presidential pick, by that point, everybody will rally around them. >> for sure. >> no doubt about it. vice president kamala harris and her new running mate will be heading to eau claire, wisconsin, tomorrow, after the rally today in philadelphia. republican vice presidential nominee, senator jd vance, will also be in wisconsin tomorrow holding a press event in the same city as harris. joining us now, the chair of the democratic party of wisconsin, ben wickler is on the show this morning. >> i need a correction. i think tim russert would have a white board with the line down the middle. one side would say, pennsylvania, pennsylvania, pennsylvania. the other side, wisconsin, wisconsin, wisconsin. obviously, wisconsin, one of the three or four key swing states that will determine the future of america. you canvassed before the vice president got to the top of the ticket, and you've canvassed wisconsin since. talk about the difference.

>> the race before the vice president became our nominee, this was a race with a path to victory. fundamentally based on the difference in visions between the biden/harris agenda and the trump agenda. now, it's a race with a road to victory with tremendous enthusiasm, unity, and focus. there's not a debate who the nominee should be. i was a proud biden supporter and think he is a great president. everyone now on the democratic party, our allies, most independent voters, can see vividly the contrast between harris, her energy, her focus, her focus on freedom, and trump and vance. trump saying the vice presidential picks are a couple day story i think is him trying to get away from the fact that vance is creepy, weird, and following the vice president around the country as she introduces her vice presidential nominee to america. the wind is now in the sails of democrats. every day is a kind of set of

stories that really illustrate how much energy and how much focus and how much excitement there is around harris and vp tbd. compared to the really sad trombone feeling you get from trump/vance. >> hey, it's symone. the trombone. [ laughter ] i'm wondering, ben, if you can talk about the infrastructure in wisconsin. you know, you all have not left any elections on the table. when everyone turned around and kind of was exhaling after the midterm elections, you all in wisconsin were gearing up for the state supreme court justice race and helped fundamental shift the court in wisconsin. what is the infrastructure like on the ground when it comes to this presidential race? are you confident that vice president harris and the harris campaign are going to win wisconsin? >> this is our secret sauce. we organize year round in wisconsin.

we have at least six elections every two years in our state. right now, we're preparing for august 13th. there is a statewide constitutional amendment. republicans trying another power grab to rip power away from the governor. we're organizing to defeat that. it means there is a get out the vote opportunity for it. it means there is a same-day voter registration opportunity. we want everyone to vote no on the constitutional amendments. then november 5th, another spring court case in spring of 2025. because we're always organizing, always present in rural communities, cities, suburbs, small towns, everywhere around the state, and this is the gender geography everywhere, it means we have a relationship with voters, can tune into what they care about, can draw contrast between the vision of freedom and opportunity democrats are fighting for everywhere and the overturning elections, banning abortion, getting into people's personal lives, and giving away the story to the super rich that republicans are pushing for at every level of government at this moment. people see the difference. you have to show up to be able

to make that difference vivid. >> ben, in the numbers you're looking at in wisconsin, just in wisconsin, has anything showed up about yesterday and tomorrow in terms of donald trump's age compared to the relative youth of the democratic ticket? >> it's funny. it's like a flipped script. the republican campaign for so long has been focused on this propaganda campaign about physical attributes. now, the republican focus on that, it's rebounded and now hurts trump. we can see so many voters who are kind of reflecting pack this filing of wanting to move forward, not to go back. trump kind of represents something that people would like to leave in the rear-view mirror for so many voters, especially the menace, dread, chaos. he also feels like yesterday's news, which psychologically seems tough for donald trump. he always likes to be mr. today. but it is pretty clear that this

is a harris day. this is a harris, and we'll soon know who her vice president is, day, and a vision of future where everyone can get ahead. the government is pulling out of people's personal lives and focusing on fixing the roads and delivering for people. that is what most people want. we hear that at doors all the time. i think a lot of people kind of have that intuition. they think the government's job is to do what the government does, not override people's personal decisions about their lives. >> wah-wah-wah. ben wickler, thank you very much. >> we need the sad trombone sound effect. >> i was trying to do it. didn't work. symone, final thoughts to you. >> look, i just think that this is an election where you have all this momentum around vice president harris and the change on the ticket. coming after that, you'll have the announcement of the vice presidential pick, the running mate pick. after that is convention. then what happened after that?

people start voting. so as someone said to me recently, you can do anything for 90 to 100 days. i think the infrastructure the harris campaign has built is, in fact, the infrastructure coupled with a candidate that is excited about being on the campaign trail, that has a positive vision for america, is one that voters are going to come to. it'll be a close race. lots of mitigating factors. will there be a debate? what unhinged thing is donald trump going to say and do? because when his back is against the wall, he gets nasty. i think today will be a good day for democrats. whomever the vice president picks, again. the end of the day, this is her decision. there is -- i just think we are living in an unprecedented -- we've said it a lot, but an unprecedented moment. democrats have nominated a woman of color as their nominee. so, look, democrats i've talked to across the country, they're like, we're excited, ready to go. we just want to get to time to

vote. i think that excitement is what folks need to be successful come this fall. >> symone sanders townsend, thank you so much, as always, for coming on the show this morning. still ahead on "morning joe" -- >> do you really want that sound effect? >> wah-wah-wah. >> t.j., can you do that? >> it makes me laugh. >> you like that? very good. >> that was the image ben put out for donald trump's campaign. >> exactly. we ought to use it after a guest leaves. >> sound bite or whatever. still ahead on "morning joe," former house speaker nancy pelosi is our guest this morning as we await the announcement of who kamala harris has picked as her running mate. first, donald trump is praising venezuelan dictator nicholas maduro for making his country, quote, very safe. >> again, this guy, this dictator just stole an election. >> we'll have the fact-check on what trump said.

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across southeastern georgia and coastal south carolina this morning. it made landfall as a category 1 hurricane along florida's big bend coast yesterday morning, bringing torrential rain, high winds, and severe flash flooding. at least four deaths are being blamed on the storm. we'll watch that. google has lost an antitrust lawsuit after a federal judge ruled the company acted illegally to gain a onopoly in online searches. the justice department sued google, claiming the company broke antitrust laws by paying billions to other companies like apple to have google automatically handle search queries on its smartphones and web browsers. attorney general merrick garland called the ruling, quote, a historic win for the american people, adding that no company, no matter how large or influential, is above the law. and finally, a 12-year-old girl in maryland is making a

name for herself as one of the state's top angulares. lucy moore received maryland's top fishing award, becoming the first female and child ever to earn it. moore had to catch ten different species of fish, all of which had to be trophy size, to qualify for the master angular award. she's just the tenth person to win the title, which one state official calls the black belt of fishing. >> what do you think of that? >> congratulations, lucy. that's adorable. 12 years old. congratulations. back to politics now. days after congratulating, speaking of, russia's president vladimir putin for the historic prisoner swap that brought home wrongfully imprisoned americans -- >> that vladimir putin had kidnapped, by the way. >> former president donald trump weighed in on venezuela. here's what he said in a new interview about that country's president, nicholas maduro, who many see as having lost last

month's election, despite claiming victory. >> venezuela is, right now, being run by a dictator. we were enemies with venezuela. venezuela was going to collapse, and people could have gone back to venezuela. they're in our country now. they've released tremendous numbers of criminals into our country. it was a very dangerous city, but now it is safer than many of our cities after they released criminals into our cities. you know i'm kidding. >> i know. >> the fake news media knows that, too, but they'll say, he suggested they go to venezuela. they're so bad, it is hard to believe. anyway, venezuela, crime is down 72% because they've taken their criminal elements, which are large. it was a very dangerous place, especially carracas and the different cities, and they've

moved them into the united states of america. >> so, first of all, gene robinson, let's not let the facts get in the way. he is praising maduro for a reduction in crime. says it is safer than many american cities. of course, don't want the details to burden anybody on that campaign, but violent crime in america is at a 50 year low. a 50 year low, just like when he became president of the united states, talking about building a wall. illegal border crossings back when he became president, it was better under biden and barack obama. we don't want to get in the pay of the free form propaganda, but

let's get in the way of the free form propaganda. you actually have, right now, the number of illegal border crossings happening at the southern border at a point that is lower, lower than when donald trump left office. so everything he said there, to quote luke skywalker at the end of the eighth "star wars," everything he just said was wrong. >> yeah, everything was wrong. let's start with his ridiculous claim that crime is somehow lower. violence is somehow lower in caracas than in american cities. we still do not know how many people have died in the last week or been killed in the last week in venezuela. people participated in demonstrations against the dictator, maduro, who stole this election. whom donald trump cannot be bothered to say anything bad

about. this is a -- this is a genuine thug who was sending goons into the street to beat protesters. it was a massive sort of uprising against this theft of an election. so this is absolutely absurd. everything that donald trump said. you know, the interviewer was sitting there nodding along. yeah, right. oh, absolutely. it's even more absurd, i think. none of it is true. >> yeah. and, of course, a week after the election, after the ballots have been reviewed independently, it is clear that maduro lost in a landslide. he is holding on to power, the same way donald trump wanted to hold on to power. that is just through force. >> how they connect. >> and violence.

mike barnicle, if somebody tells you who they are, believe them the first time. if donald trump tells you what type of presidency he is going to run, believe it. he's now praising maduro, just like he's always praised president xi. just like he's always praised kim jong-un. just like he's always praised vladimir putin. congratulated him on taking hostages and getting a good deal for the hostages that he took. of course, he's talked about having the chairman of his joint chiefs tried for treason and then killed. he's talked about how he can assassinate his political opponents with s.e.a.l. team six and still have immunity. he's talked about trying media companying for treason. he's talked about liz cheney going before a military tribunal. i will say, again, historians will have to look back on this time and just ask what will seem

to be the unanswerable question. why a group of self-proclaimed conservatives, whose political lives were defined by pushing back on communist china and communist russia, why these same people now are embracing donald trump who embraces a dictator while they're embracing illiberal leaders who brag about throwing western democracy under the bus like orban. why is -- why? i don't get it. >> you know, joe, those historians you just mentioned gathering sometime in the future to answer those questions you just posed will have one larger question that will supersede all the issues you just raised. the larger issue will be, how did that man ever become president of the united states? catching that clip we just showed, watching donald trump

ramble through assorted issues incoherent almost, raises that question, not only in my mind but i think in the minds of a lot of people watching this program and a lot of people who perhaps even voted for him. in 2016, in 2020. wondering, what is he talking about? katty, i don't know about you, but he is getting to be exhausting. each time i see him on television, it's exhausting. i need to tape my eyelids open to continue watching him. >> don't try that, keeping eyelids open. please, protect them. this was frustrating for the biden campaign, the idea there was trump amnesia. partly because donald trump had been tied up in courtrooms in new york, he wasn't out there on the campaign trail. when he was, he was not being the trump that people remembered with the chaos from the time when he was president.

that's changed. whether it's because it is kamala harris coming to the top of the ticket and that's rattled him, but being behind in the polls or seeing her catching up in the polls, seeing the democrats with all this enthuse i can't see and energy, having kamala harris in the news and not him, seeing his crowd numbers bigger than his in atlanta, all of that is the kind of thing that donald trump doesn't like. when he's under pressure and he's in a situation he doesn't like, he acts out. that's what we seen over the last week or two. that's exactly what democrats are hoping will remind those voters who still haven't made up their minds, the few of them that are left, of why they don't want to go back to the days of the trump administration. >> we are right to focus on the content of trump's remarks. we should also mention the setting. he was appearing with aiden ross, an internet celebrity with a popular livestreaming site. now, he is trolled with trouble. he had nick fuentes on his show. he's accused of spouting hateful

things at times. he also gifted trump a cyber truck and a rolex, obviously gifts the trump campaign cannot accept because they're way too big. but we should note, half a million people watched this yesterday. aiden ross is very popular with young men. this is where the trump campaign is. this is sort of an absurd setting in many ways, but this is part of their outreach. they're trying to stir up young men, particularly mostly white men but trying to get men of color who are angry with the world. they feel that is people who can be turned out to vote. new voters perhaps for the trump campaign. that's their theory anyway. interesting. coming up, the race-based attacks on vice president kamala harris. our next guest is dismantling the dei dog whistle that some republicans have used to describe the vice president. we'll speak with former wnba president lisa borders, next on "morning joe."

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disarray. >> i've known her a long time indirectly, not directly very much, and she was always of indian heritage. she was only promoting indian heritage. i didn't know she was black until a number of years ago when she happened to turn black. now, she wants to be known as black. so i don't know, is she indian, or is she black? >> she's always identified as a black woman, historically black college. >> i respect either one but she obviously doesn't. because she was indian all the way. all of a sudden, she made a turn and became a black person. >> by the way, again, that is -- >> so disgusting. >> so stupid. >> sorry. >> so stupid. because she went to howard university. she was in a historically black sorority, which she has taken great pride in for years. and as far as a guy like donald trump questioning her intelligence, a d.a. in san

francisco, the attorney general in the biggest state population wise in the country, elected attorney general, then elected united states senator. >> i mean, they both have been in court. donald trump has been in court, accused of crimes or things. >> well, those members of congress -- >> she's been in court prosecuting. >> yeah, i mean, stack the careers of every one of those people that said she was a dei hire up against kamala harris, and you just give the applications of those people to any law firm, to any business, no names, no faces, they would look at all of those resumes and would pick kamala harris in a second. again, it's just a racist lie. it's race based. >> hard to watch. republican lawmakers, donald trump and some party members, have used harris's biracial

identity and the existence of diversity, equity, and inclusion programs to degrade and downplay her qualifications. it's a story very familiar with former wnba president lisa borders, who writes about it in a new substack article entitled, "kamala harris, the divine nine, and dismantling the dei dogwhistle." lisa joins us now. it is great to see you. tell us about the dei dogwhistle and what are they attempting to do here? >> well, good morning, mika, joe, and team. "morning joe," it's great to be with you. here's what i will tell you all. when you hear someone trying to turn dei on its head, this is an effort by folks who, number one, don't understand it, number two, who fear it. any time you see fear, you see people behaving in this very

poor way. it is racist. it is reductive. it contemplates that for one person to move ahead, someone else must move behind. so that's not true. kamala harris is objectively qualified, not only to be vice president but, obviously, to be president of the united states. joe, you ran down her resume from d.a. to ag to u.s. senator and now vice president of the united states. what are these people talking about right now? >> lisa, this is gene robinson. vice president harris, there was a brief response from her campaign to what donald trump was saying at nabj, then they sort of brushed it off and did not engage in this ridiculous, i guess, debate. it's not really a debate. do you think that was the right course of action? do you think she's right just to

sort of kind of do the jay-z number and brush your shoulders off? >> right. hey, gene, i absolutely think it was the right thing to do. if you engage with it, you give it oxygen. you give it air. you don't put out fire with fire. you put out fire with water. so for her to pivot and go back to policies and remind the american people that this race is about policy, it's not about personalities, or it shouldn't be about personalpersonalities. it should be kitchen table issues that americans are worried about, every stripe, every party, ethnic background. this notion donald trump and the political folks on his team feel like they need to make personal attacks just demonstrates they're losing. they are desperate. if you look at what kamala harris is talking about, we could have a spirited debate about the approach to immigration or economic policy

or inflation. we can talk about all of those things. we do not need to revert to gender, race, or ethnic background. for those who are doing that, it's unfortunate. absolutely, i think she did the right thing to just ignore it and move forward. >> lisa, a few months ago, the trump campaign was saying that they saw themselves making some inroads with black male voters. actually, the biden campaign was worried about some of those numbers, suggesting there had been a drift of some, not huge numbers, but some black male voters to the trump side. do you think that, with having kamala harris at the top of the ticket, that changes that equation? >> i do think it changes that equation, katty. thanks for the question. what i think donald trump and his team were attempting to tap into was the perceived anger on the part of black men. they are angry, yes, the world is not as we all would have it be for anybody right now.

that's why we need kamala harris in the white house. but at the beginning of this campaign, trump tapped into anger for everybody, even in his former campaigns and when he won. we are in a different place and a different space today. i think kamala harris at the top of the ticket is really a response to some of what is happening in the world today, and she's absolutely the right candidate to address black men, white men, black men -- excuse me, black women, white women, any and every american. and stop it with the identity politics and saying this is what matters most. it's not. >> got to call it out. you can read the new piece online for former wnba president lisa borders, thank you so much for being on this morning. >> thank you, mika. >> all right. take care. coming up, we have a look at the stories making front page

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i think we need to really address the fact that this perfect storm really has been circling and marinating all weekend long.

we, not whether it was september. friday's economic data came out, a boost in unemployment. a weekend full of fear-mongering around the middle east and attacking israel. then you have the japanese market go down. the largest amount since 1987. and all of that together added to the crazy fear thing. we saw the vix above 65 today, which showed fear as your prior peek speaker said, not panic, but fear. so i don't think this is much a reflection on the economy as much of a perfect storm around all these components that are happening in the market. you know, fundamentally, nothing that much has changed economically since ten days ago when we were trading at record highs across the board and no one was saying there is never another down day on wall street. >> that was a trader explaining

the global -- >> he is into it. >> he is good. >> you pointed out, as well as andrew, said yesterday what goes down also goes up. and this morning the futures board is back in the green with all the three indexes posting gains and japan's nikkei closed up 10%. the largest single-day gain since 2008. >> and the thing is that's important to realize, if you look at the fundamentals of the economy, it's still very strong. the things we were saying last week are true this week. we are still the envy of the world. economically in every way, even the market over the past four years, it's exploded. this was a slight correction. there may be more of a correction to come. but that has more to do with how stocks have been overpriced. the overexuberance that we have

been hearing traders warn about for a very, very long time, that the stocks are being overpriced. we will see what happened. the nikkei bouncing back yesterday. see what happens today. also this morning, fallout from the comments donald trump made over the weekend in georgia. we will explain why that state may be back in play for democrats this november. with us we have the host of way too early, jonathan lemire. u.s. special correspondent for bbc news katty kay is with us. managing editor at the bulwark, sam stein. and associate editor of the "washington post," eugene -- >> hey, bobby, what's with the glasses? >> what? wait. he looks good. >> this is just the latest effort into my ongoing struggle to look smarter. and at point -- >> or you get up at 2:00 in the morning. >> i have failed to this point in my life and career.

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young girls who had been to a taylor swift dance class were stabbed to death by an individual who, for a while, out on social media it was claimed that the killer was a muslim. and that triggered attacks against mosques in stock port, the town the girls were killed, rioting out on the streets. it turned out the killer was not a muslim, he was a 17-year-old. the police made the unusual step of releasing his name. his parents in been rwandan refugees. he is british. he is black. he was born in the united kingdom. he is now in custody. it hasn't stopped these far-right nationalistst coming out on to the streets and attacking people who they think shouldn't be in the united kingdom whether they are there because they are brown or whether they are there because they are muslims. what the prime minister's challenge is would be what they would like to do, the government, my understanding, have a load of arrests very

fast. but the uk justice system is slow. it takes time to get these people through the courts. they wouldn't to send a message out, keir starmer has been out saying this is not acceptable, denouncing the protesters. it's an indication, some is social media. you have young kids -- weirdly, young kids have no political agenda at all, but just it's summertime. they are off school and they see the violence, they seem to pile in. and it has to stop. it has to be stopped, more importantly. >> yeah. anarchy in the uk, we remember the images from the 1970s. this is a great opportunity for the new prime minister to show strength and act aggressively, clean up the streets, get these racists off the streets, arrest them, and make sure that they face justice. gene robinson, before we get to the news of the day, behold, you bring tidings of good news.

to democrats, east, west, north, south unto them is born the reason for exuberance. democrats are like, we don't deserve good things. i am like, bs! you take what you need! you fight! if you need it, you take it by getting the most votes by knocking on the most doors. every time you knock on a door, every time you plant a yard sign, you do it with exuberance and joy and do it knowing you have no choice but it win. you are telling democrats, it's okay. >> it's okay. >> you can be happy while you're going out -- about your business of working hard and winning elections. >> right. you don't have to be overconfident, but be happy. you just had two of the best weeks ever in politics.

you have had this amazing couple of weeks. you have got more money than you can spend at this point. you just have to figure out how to spend it. you've got an opponent of republican ticket that is self-destructing in any number of ways. they just helped you put georgia back in play for the election. so, yeah, you should be a little pumped at this point and you can be happy about what has happened without saying, you know, without being overconfident, without being silly about it and sort of not tending to business. so tend to your business and get it done. a cloud of dust, there is that part of it. do it with some joy. >> exactly. >> it's a happy time for the democratic party right now. >> as old nike commercials

always say, do it like sam with a smile on your face. vice president kamala harris will announce her running mate for the democratic ticket at some point today. >> i'm being objectified. [ laughter ] >> just a little bit. she will appear this evening in philadelphia. the finalists still include senator mark kelly and transportation senator pete buttigieg as well as governors andy beshear, j.b. pritzker, shopper shopper. he is scheduled to be in maine today as part of his cabinet role. shapiro for his part had a fairly normal day yesterday and played basketball with his son while his two dogs looked on at the bevy of reporters staked outside his home. that's not what my dog would be doing. not to read the tea leaves, hours from now he is set to

deliver remarks at the harris for president event at temple university. walz appeared at a harris fundraiser in minnesota where reporters say he made a veiled reference to the vp slot saying, i think you know you don't wake up as a schoolteacher angry about something and figure out how to get collected to congress and become the governor and then life comes at you fast. whatever happens. wow. >> i will -- >> that's not veiled. >> it doesn't seem veiled. but getting next to impossible to read the tea leaves. seemed like a week ago indictment credit to the harris campaign that really have done a great job, sam stein, at keeping this close. about a week ago i started getting reporting from various source it is josh shapiro was a lock.

then there was fierce and furious push back against others in party that were trying to undermine his candidacy. so now the last 24 hours we have been hearing that tim walz is a lock, which means, of course, we know absolutely nothing about what kamala harris is going to do. it's probably, you know, it's going to be walz or shapiro. >> yeah. this is such a weird process because it's been condense today a couple of weeks. usually you don't have the prospective vp candidates out there in public demonstrating their acumen to be vp. usually they are more subtle about it. in this case, you had tim walz, josh shapiro, andy bashir and pete buttigieg auditioning in front of us really for kamala harris, hey, this is the type of skill set i could bring to the

ticket. at this juncture, honestly, it's -- i have yet to hear a definitive one way or the other. it could go either way. i think you correctly identified the two frontrunners here. the only thing i would say is that the amount of anti-shapiro stuff that has been pushed, not publicly, but privately, suggests both he is the frontrunner, because people are trying to knock him off the pedestal, and also some weird discomfort in the party over him that i didn't know existed. i think ultimately the party would get around him for obvious reasons, and also i think if the case for him outweighs the case against him substantially. but that's the most interesting thing for me the past week, watching this anti-shapiro movement take hold. >> antisemitism, i'll say as a baptist, you have got the most gifted speaker of the lot.

you have got, when you see kamala harris and josh shapiro together, just a generational shift. a really dynamic, striking generational shift. jfk taught us that politics was visual. seeing those two younger candidates on the screen and an american politics, younger means anybody that was born after 1946. you see those two younger dynamic people on the screen and you're like, wait, okay, wow, this is a new generation ready to go past old grievances and move forward. and i will say, too, let's just say it. i am -- mika and i have been impressed by governor walz, but we have been impressed by governor walz watching his witty little asides with his daughter or on twitter. he's democratic governor of

minnesota. i will say, though, he is -- there is a reason, jonathan lemire, the left wing likes him. and this is definitely a left-wing versus a centrist battle right now that is playing out. it's not about israel. there are people that are attacking josh shapiro in a veiled way on israel because he's jewish. it's that simple. tim walz has hugged benjamin netanyahu, embraced him, talks about our close alliance, and his language on israel is actually -- is actually -- would be more of a concern if they are worried about palestinian protests outside of chicago than, yeah, let me say it, the jew, josh shapiro, who has called benjamin netanyahu the worst prime minister in israel's history. so this is shaping up.

people on the far left are not liking shapiro and, bluntly, this antisemitism strain that we see from extremes on the left and the right, unfortunately finding its way into this fierce push back against a man who i think, with all due respect to everybody else, seems beyond -- the logical pick, especially if you hike to win pennsylvania, the one state you have to win. >> yeah, you identified parts of the reasons why there is this puck bash to shapiro. perception versus reality. he and walz not that different on israel and other issues. but you're right. our reporting this morning shows though no one has been officially eliminated, it would be a surprise if it were anybody other than walz or shapiro. this is the pick. you hit upon it. walz is more progressive, more left than shapiro. so the answer to the question of what message does vice president kamala harris want to sends?

a nod to in her own party or more towards the middle, the general election, and, obviously, geography doesn't always play in to these choices. we have seen most running mates are not selected based on where they are from. this feels like the exception to the rule. pennsylvania is the most important state on the map for a democrat. shapiro is very popular there. 60, 61, 62% in the polls. that would be a good argument. it's not the only thing the vice president will consider when we learn her choice in the next few hours. >> no, it's not. one thing is who does she have chemistry with? they have got to fit together in a constructive way. she has to feel that about whoever she picks as her running mate because they are going to be spending a lot of time together and they are going to be it -- and when they are apart, they are going to have to

be working in concert. four years is a long time. and so we have no idea about that. we just don't know. so i think we really don't know who it's going to be. i will go along with the, you know, the sort of conventional wisdom that it's either shapiro or walz. i am not entirely convinced that the others are ruled out at this point. we just don't know. >> still ahead, what we are learning this morning about an attack that injured several u.s. service members in iraq. nbc's courtney kube with the latest on that. we will also go live to jerusalem amid escalating tensions between israel and iran. nbc's richard engel is standing by. and after congratulating vladimir putin for last "autoweek's" prisoner exchange, donald trump is praising another authoritarian leader. >> who just stole an election. who just stole an election outage of us. we are back in 90 seconds. f us we are back in 90 seconds.

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crutches, pepper spray, and broken pieces of furniture. at one point he attacked a fellow rioter who was trying to disarm him. dempsey pled guilty in joon to two felony counts of assaulting police. a fraction of the crimes that officials say he committed that day. nine staff members fired by the main u.n. relief agency in gaza following an investigation of israeli allegations that workers participated in the october 7th terror attack. according to the findings, nine of the 19 people accused, quote, may have been involved. congress vote in march to eliminate all donations to the agency and to at least march of 2025. bloomberg news has apologized for breaking an embargo and publishing a story last week that revealed a prisoner exchange involving the united states and russia. white house officials wanted to

keep the news under wraps until the prisoners were safely released into u.s. custody. bloomberg's editor-in-chief says the company's actions violated ethical standards. the apology hours after the publisher of "the wall street journal," the paper evan gershkovich works, said this on "morning joe." >> we are very clear on that. you don't report something unless you have it confirmed. you don't want to push ahead. and when people's lives are at stake, you take the embargoes even more seriously. i'll leave it at that. >> gene, i have a question. actually, i am a bit confused by this. we heard yesterday that a reporter who -- just an excellent reporter, one of the most respected in washington, d.c., was blamed for this. >> yeah. >> and what i found to be so

interesting is that at least the way i remembered it, reporters would report, they would write stories, they would hand it to their editors and then it was editors who made the decision whether to print the story or break it. didn't all of this strike you as confusing yesterday that you had the publisher pointing a finger at a reporter for the paper actually releasing the story? >> yeah, i'm very confused because, in fact, the way you described it is the way it does work. editors do make the decision as to what actually gets published and what does not, at least at "the washington post," reporters don't hit the button and publish something. and so editors are, you know, that's their job, to make those judgment calls, and in the case of something like an embargo, i

don't know any other facts about this. i know that if a reporter is not entirely honest or straightforward with an editor, if the editor doesn't have full information about what's going on, that would be one potential reason you would be angry at a reporter. i know -- no indication like that happened in this case. >> none. >> and as you said, ultimately the buck stops with the editor. it really does. >> exactly. >> and that's the way it's always worked and that's the way it still works. a conversation with house speaker emerita nancy pelosi, the art of power and her calls for a return to decency in politics straight ahead on "morning joe."

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we are following developing news out of iraq of a suspected rocket strike on an air base believed to have injured several u.s. personnel according to a defense official who spoke with nbc news. for more let's bring in the reporter on the story, nbc news pentagon correspondent courtney kube, also covers national security. what more do we know about this? >> yeah, so this was two rockets believed to have been fired by an iranian-backed militia group operating in group. they landed on this base in western iraq. it's an iraqi base. but it houses u.s. and other coalition troops, including u.s.

personnel and contractors. at least two rockets struck the base injuring a number of person. we don't have a lot more fidelity on exactly the nature of those injuries, but i am told that none of them are expected to be life-threatening. but this is an escalation. many of these militia groups, there are a number operating throughout iraq and syria, they do take shots at bases fairly frequently. but the fact that these rockets not only made it on to the base but that they caused injuries is really raising eyebrows at the pentagon and across the u.s. military. now, it comes, of course, at a time when there is increased tension throughout the region. not only just what has been an extremely tense situation since october 7th, but last week the israelis acknowledged they killed a hezbollah leader outside of beirut assassination in tehran.

iran is retaliating for that. what could that response look like? many officials believe one of the players in that response could be some of these militia groups in iraq and syria like hezbollah and others who have taken shots at u.s. and other troops in the region. so far officials believe this is not the beginning of a larger response. that being said, they really are watching for an increase in activity by some of these groups, again in iraq and syria. we have heard a lot in recent months about the activities of the iranian-backed houthis in yemen. could we see an uptick in that. and how had iran ultimately decide to respond. we have seen a lot of comparisons to what they did in april when they vowed to respond to and in fact they did respond to an israeli strike. that one occurred in syria. they launched hundreds of projectiles towards israel. the u.s. still has a lot of air

defense systems in the region should they need to help israel defend, but at this point it's still an open question how iran may respond to these provocations last week. >> all right. courtney kube, thank you so much for your reporting. and katty, if you look back to april when they launched thousands of projectiles to little to no effect, israel intercepting most of those with the help of the united states and other allies in the region, and then i'd go back to january of 2000 -- of 2020 when the united states killed soleimani and the iranians did something similar as they have done here. they launched some missile attacks at a u.s. base and they immediately contacted our allies in the region and said, pass along to the united states, we just had to do that. nothing else is coming after

this. it was basically a game-saving device, as were the missile attacks in april. i'm curious if we are going to see something different here, or if the iranians still are in a position where they don't want to provoke the united states. >> they told the israelis this is what is coming your direction. they gave them a heads-up that allowed israel to defend itself and none those missiles caused harm in israel. the fear this time around is that even if the iranians feel they don't want to escalate the war, how many times can they be provoked before they do something that precipitates some kind of wider conflict, some kind of mistake occurs. i heard richard haass talking about this earlier this week, yesterday, there is the risk of a mistake in that region and tensions are very high. so when you are sitting on a tinderbox, everybody -- and that's why the diplomacy is

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♪♪ joining us now from jerusalem is nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel. richard, what is the latest there?

>> reporter: so i was here in in april, i'm here once again. to reiterate what you were talking about, last time when iran retaliated for an israeli assassination they did telegraph it. we were all watching. i was standing on this very rooftop waiting for the drones and missiles to come in. iran announced when they were launching. it announced the direction they were going, more or less, and said they would be followed by ballistic missiles. so all of the israelis and the americans had to do was look up in the skpie, point and shoot. it was like skeet shooting. and some of the ballistic missiles did get through, and the u.s. and israel were very satisfied with their response that the equipment worked and that a wider war was averted. this time there is a lot more mystery. the israelis -- the iranians don't seem to be telegraphing what they intend to do nearly as

closely. so this is something like a game of wait and see. when is it going to happen? what is going to happen? we are all trying to read between the tea leaves. there are some tea leaves that give a few indications. one, the centcom commander is here. that is a concrete sign. he came here to help coordinate the u.s./israeli response in april. his presence in the rookie is a sign that the u.s. anticipates something to be happening soon. u.s. officials say they are observing movements of missiles. well, within iran, taking place. it could be a distraction, a diversion or could be preparations. russia, and this is a new dynamic, is also involved in the picture. the russian defense minister was in iran yesterday, and today the iranian media are reporting that not only did they request russian air defense systems,

which are very sophisticated. they are state-of-the-art pieces of equipment. some of those air defense systems have already arrived. so that would indicate perhaps we have a little bit more time as iran is trying to harden its defenses and then one more tea leaf, because that's all we have to go on, there is a meeting tomorrow in saudi arabia of the organization of the islamic conference. and it is possible that iran wants to seek approval of the broader islamic world for a retaliation before it carries one out. but to go back to what katty was saying earlier, iran has said it's going to respond. it feels that it's duty bound to respond to an attack on the political leader of hamas in the capital of tehran during inaugurations right after he had met with iran's supreme leader. >> so, richard, if you will,

give us some insight on what benjamin netanyahu is facing. not only at home, but internationally, you have joe biden, of course, reportedly angry with netanyahu because he keeps moving away from a peace deal to get the hostages home and to give the israeli people some relief from this, and this, from reuters yesterday, from jerusalem, august 5th, reuters, israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu is facing anger in israel and abroad over his handling of talks on the gaza cease-fire that have faltered as fears have grown that the crisis could spiral into war with iran, three israeli officials said. divisions between netanyahu and the defense establishment over the deal, which could help diffuse the escalating crisis, the risks engulfing the middle east have surfaced in public remarks and behind closed doors. this is a man that observers

inside and outside of israel had predicted from the beginning would keep this war going as long as he could because he knew after the war ended he would be out of office and would face charges. that friction that, tension seems to be rising not only with israel's most important ally, but certainly seems to be rising inside of israel itself. tell us about it. >> reporter: so this is one of the most important and perhaps least understood dynamics of this entire conflict, and it is the dynamic of benjamin netanyahu himself who has been dominating israeli politics the last 20 years. and who faced an enormous failure on the -- with the october 7th attacks and he has never really accepted responsibility for it. yes, he also faces numerous investigations, and the concern by netanyahu and the people around him is, if he leaves

office, he is in enormous trouble, his reputation will be destroyed in history, he could end up in prison. so, therefore, he is trying to keep the conflict going as long as possible. and keeps changing the rules of the game. keeps extending the goalposts. there is a lot of anger here against prime minister netanyahu. some of it is coming from the hostage families themselves. there has been the workings of a hostage deal on the table for months. we've reported on it several times. hamas even said that they had agreed to the terms, that israel came back and said, well, the terms that hamas agreed to weren't exactly the same terms that israel agreed to, but they were very close. and now suddenly israel carries out this assassination. in iran, during the inauguration of one of the top negotiators for hamas. so the peace talks have

collapsed, and families who were hopeful are now in a great sense of despair, and they worry that netanyahu is doing this for his own political motivations, to keep the conflict going long enough that perhaps president trump can come into office, change the dynamic, save him and give him a new lease on life. so i would say israelis are divided. there is the official line that, yes, israel wants to kill hamas leaders and it will do that when and wherever it can, and then there is the other narrative, and there are many in the biden administration and here in israel that believe that targeting this hamas official, who was not hiding. that the leader -- he was a negotiator, someone who was easy to find in that way, at that time, was a provocative and political move potentially for netanyahu's own benefit. coming up, live to the nasdaq following a brutal day on

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is it your decision to waive these rights and enter a guilty plea because you are guilty? >> it is. >> what i should not have done is make sure that the facts were true. i believe and value election integrity. if i knew then what i know now, i would have declined to represent donald trump in these post-election challenges. i look back on this whole experience with deep remorse. >> that remorse. >> that was jenna ellis, a former donald trump attorney, when she pleaded guilty in the georgia election case and was sentenced to $5,000 in probation and resrestitution.

now she's one of the 18 defendants in the arizona fake electors indictment. yesterday she signed a cooperation agreement with prosecutors there, who are dropping the nine felony charges against ellis in exchange for her testimony. joining us now, former litigator and legal correspondent lisa rubin. tell us where this case stands, what impact it could have on donald trump, if any, or if not. and how important would her testimony be? >> this case stands at the very outset of proceedings. we had a series of hearings earlier in the summer where the defendants got to enter their pleas. we expect that the next steps will be that we make some plea offers. when he made that statement, he knew he had met with jenna ellis

just the day before. that's where jenna laid out for prosecutors here's what i can give you, here's what i know about the events in this indictment. indeed, jenna ellis in cutting a plea deal is pleading guilty, but there will be no charges against her. there will be no consequences for her unless prosecutors find that during that june 17th meeting or at any time in the future she lies to them about what transpired in arizona. now, with respect to the former president, as you noted, he hasn't been charged yet. he's an unindicted coconspirator in this indictment. jenna ellis' plea deal necessary

necessitates that she cooperate and not only will her statements be provided to the defendants in the existing case, but with respect to any criminal case that arises out of a referenced investigation and grand jury proceeding. it could be that they're waiting to see what happens in others of these cases including how the presidential immunity decision affects the federal election case before judge tonya chutkan, which was just reactivated. i think the plea deal that jenna ellis cut was exceptionally generous, but she's the first person to plead out here. she also is the linchpin potentially to perhaps the person that prosecutors are most interested in hearing from next. that would be rudy giuliani. when you look at this

indictment, it's fully in relation to her work with rudy giuliani and meeting with arizona legislators. one was part of the campaign to convince arizona legislators to have a doover or somehow invalidate the election. he was also involved in the fake electors scheme who was run through epstein, who is also a defendant in this case. there is no allegation that shows that jenna ellis was also part of this fake elector scheme. however, she's been charged with forgery with respect to that scheme just like everybody else has. is jenna that person who can connect the dots to prosecutors? she may be, or she may provide damaging information about giuliani. >> i was going to ask you about

rudy, because i if recall, throughout the fall and into the winter of 2021, she was next to him. she was his right-hand person. so putting rudy aside, we established that trump is not an unindicted coconspirator here. does this have any potential to bleed into the election? his lawyers are going to argue that he didn't do this or he has some sort of immunity. >> i think it could affect the presidential campaign in a political sense. there could be some information in the public domain that isn't yet common knowledge that could impact voter behavior.

as to the carrying out of this exact case, do i think arizona is barreling toward a trial before the election or shortly thereafter? certainly not. but they've done something here others in the federal government did not, which is to avoid charging president trump. they have a clearer path to pretrial proceedings working more smoothly than perhaps we are seeing in the federal cases or in georgia right now. we interrupt lisa with this breaking news. sources tell nbc news that kamala harris has decided on a running mate, with an announcement coming any time now. she made the final decision this morning after taking the night to sleep on it. let's bring in reverend al sharpton. we also have with us ed lewis.

>> a decision has been made. what are you hearing? >> we know this has been a truncated, compressed process, vice president harris taking only a few weeks. there's an extreme vetting over the last week or so. the campaign identified about six or seven candidates to be her running mate. we have been saying there was a clear top two. tim walz and josh shapiro. harris and her new running mate will go on tour starting this afternoon early evening in philadelphia, biggest city in the most important battleground state on the map, then hitting a

variety of other battleground states in the days ahead. though the hurricane barreling up the southeastern coast of the united states has postponed events in georgia and north carolina. those will be made up later, but she will hit a number of states with her new running mate. there's been debate as to who she wanted to pick. walz background state in minnesota. he's the one who coined the weird attack the democrats have been using so effectively against trump and jd vance in recent days. it's about personal chemistry and the number one selection process, who does no harm. >> let's talk about the candidates. what does the governor of

minnesota bring to this ticket? >> well, he brings a balance, obviously. you know, i think he's older by a year than the vice president is. he brings great humor, common sense. he's clearly a political animal. he was in the house of representatives with nancy pelosi for about ten years. he knows his way around washington. he knows his way around international and foreign issues, having served in the congress. minnesota, wisconsin, all important, no doubt about that, but nothing is more important than pennsylvania. we're going to find out a lot. >> it seems progressives love walz. he is a progressive.

there wouldn't be a lot of idealogical balance between vice president harris and governor walz. you would have two people viewed as progressives inside the democratic party, instead of an idealogical mix that you might have with shapiro. is this the whole idea that they're going to excite the base and this is going to be a base election and they don't care what moderates in pennsylvania and other states think? >> i think you have to balance whether they want to energize the base and go on progressive side, or whether you want to have balance to assure americans that you're going to hear all sides. shapiro represents that without

going too far. he was one of the early people that supported barack obama. we may disagree on how he handled some situations in his state when he was attorney general, but i think the good with him outweighs the bad. i think the geopolitical situation is important. we'll get an idea of how the presumptive presidential nominee of the democratic party is going to think is her first big decision, and she will telegraph how she will be deciding things going forth. i had the unenviable job of telling mike barnicle he wasn't going to make it. >> that's very sad. it certainly seems as a safer choice going with tim walz instead of josh shapiro, who faced backlash from people who

didn't like the fact that he was jewish and faced backlash on him, weirdly, for his position on gaza, when the governor of minnesota has been at least as pro-israeli and more supportive of benjamin netanyahu and you look at his statements compared to shapiro's statements, who said netanyahu is one of the worst prime ministers in the history of israel. our sources are telling us that the decision has been made and the vice president is waiting to actually speak to the person that she has chosen thus far. we suspect this person will

probably have a minnesota area code, though we don't know. but after that, it will be confirmed. this apparently is sort of some technicalities. let's say it is governor walz. what does that bring to the ticket? >> i agree with everybody who's been saying he is more of a progressive than governor shapiro. i still wouldn't rule out governor shapiro being chosen. i think it's right that he is well within the democratic mainstream and if kamala harris wanted to be tough on netanyahu after being elected president, having a vice president like shapiro would give her a lot of cover to do that. if it is indeed tim walz, he's progressive. he's minnesota for the social democratic, if you'd like.

it's a much more sort of down to earth, folksy language that he uses. >> ed, let's interrupt you really quickly. >> we have a couple of news organizations confirming it including the a.p. breaking news. kamala harris picks minnesota governor tim walz as running mate as she looks to boost the democratic ticket in the midwest. i was going to say, to ed's point, he sounds like a football coach, talking about progressive issues. he brings to the table a background that is very down to earth and connected with people and their daily lives as a former teacher. >> it's an interesting pick. you know, i think ironically

enough, people have looked at him as the safe pick. i would disagree. this opens up a number of issues for the democratic ticket to now defend. but according to the associated press -- and we're still waiting at nbc news to confirm, but the associated press and other news organizations have, in fact, said it's walz. what are your thoughts? >> i think it's a good pick, to be honest. i think shapiro would have been as well. he talks in a way that isn't perceived by republicans or non-democrats in general to be looking down on them. he talks in a very engaging, everyday manner, very practical, very common sense. he's a hunter. you know, he shoots. he's got a pretty normal family.

he's from a blue collar background. he served in the military. i think it's very difficult to paint him as pamela's equivalent of jd vance. jd vance was a weird choice who talks in weird ways. walz is the unweird. the first principle of selecting a running mate is to do no harm. i don't think he's going to do harm. i don't think this is going to be a ten-day story, why did harris pick walz. i think it's going to be a three-day party and a united democratic party and a popular choice. he communicated in a very effective, very un-fake way. >> yeah. to add to ed's point as we bring in claire mccaskill to this conversation, tim walz also

brings maturity to the ticket without being too old, especially on the trump side, looking as old as he has lately. at the same time, this is a younger ticket with enough wisdom and maturity to bring to the table their ideas and vision for the country. claire? >> i think he's a great pick. he grounds her in a way that really matters, especially for all of the country that is not on the coast. this is not a coastal elite guy. this is not an ivy leaguer. this is a guy who says things like you'd lose your hair too if you supervised the high school lunchroom for 20 years. this is a guy who could give you advice on fixing your car. this is a guy who served 25 years in the national guard and has served his incumbent

admirably. he has been in congress. he knows the levers of power in government and how to wield them. he's been a governor in a state that while, yes, minnesota is blue, but it's not bright blue. i remember a time when republicans were getting elected statewide in minnesota. he does have this way of communicating. i think what really made the difference here is he's joyful when he's on the attack. he almost does it with a wink and a smile and a sense of humor when he is going after these guys. that's what kamala harris needs. she needs somebody who will keep the lightness in her campaign, who will be a happy warrior. that is tim walz. he is one happy warrior. i think he's a terrific pick. >> also adding to that joyful in his approach, you're absolutely right, claire. he seems to almost have a

twinkle in his eye when he's going after people. we're hearing this from multiple news sources. apparently the phone call hasn't been made, the conversation hasn't been had yet, but this is the choice. it was down to two amazing choices. ultimately, some of these decisions have to be made in terms of who you feel most comfortable with, who you think you can work with, who you think will be the best fit on your team. that's stuff that can only be made by the candidate. >> exactly. the candidate has to make the decision herself. the candidate i'm most comfortable with is a candidate that helps me win pennsylvania in 2024. so let us hope that those outside of pittsburgh loves tim walz. let's talk about how the decision not made, the road not

taken, josh shapiro, a guy who has approval ratings in the 60s in pennsylvania, the must-win state for both campaigns, and also the one who was considered the frontrunner for a very long time, but then there was a backlash. there was a very public campaign against josh shapiro, a really ugly whisper campaign against josh shapiro. unfortunately, that's something that is now hanging over this choice. >> josh shapiro was considered the frontrunner. he is seen as someone who would run for president if president biden stepped out before he did. many people believed he would

have delivered pennsylvania. we should note that the governor of minnesota has not yet officially been notified that he is not the choice, but there are people around governor shapiro who have told him he is not the choice. indeed, there will be some second-guessing about this choice because of the electoral prize that pennsylvania is. we're already seeing from republicans attacks on governor walz, mostly the riots after the george floyd death. governor desantis of florida has already teamed harris/walz the most liberal ticket in history. he was a schoolteacher. he's governor. he has a very impressive resume. he is the guy who coined weird,

the phrase democrats have used so effectively against trump and vance and republicans that has taken off in the last ten days or so is from the mouth of governor walz on our air, calling them weird. he is a talented politician, no doubt. they think that will help them in some rural areas cut down margins of defeat. we know that wasn't really the case in minnesota itself. walz has a libertarian streak. he is someone who i think will be good on the stump as an attack dog in a kindly manner, but there are going to be some who think josh shapiro should have been the pick. >> the "wall street journal" is now also confirming it is governor walz. there's a source, nbc news also confirming that. cnn, most news agencies lining up saying it is going to be governor walz. i will say the one thing that

causes concern just electorally about what he does bring to this ticket, when we had steve kornacki on yesterday and i asked him will he help bring rural voters that joe biden actually did better with, older voters? and he showed us all in 2022 that was not the case. joe biden did better than him in those areas. barack obama did much better in those areas. we'll see. what happens remains to be seen, but we shall see. again, it looks like tim walz is going to be the running mate. reverend al, you've spoken with the governor.

tell us about your conversations. >> he called me late last week, obviously saying that he wanted me to remember that when george floyd was killed and i had come to minnesota to do a eulogy and lead some of the marches and he had come down on some of the violence and i said we did not condone the violence, the floyd family didn't. i said to him there's a lot of distrust with the local d.a. in minneapolis. walz said i will appoint the attorney general keith ellison to prosecutor the case. i am personally convinced had ellison not done the case, we might not have gotten the conviction of george floyd's killers. while we were in the process, a young man was killed about 20

miles over. he called and said to me too many black men are being killed by police. he said, i am pro-police but he feels this is wrong. he has a strong record. let's not forget that vice president kamala harris was one of the authors of the george floyd justice in policing act in the senate. so there is some synergy there politically. >> the word was that barack obama came out supporting governor walz. it was one of the first times it really took off. >> if you really look at this ticket now, look at this matchup and look at their resumes, there's a lot of really great

synergy here and they fill in each other's gaps. he served 25 years in the national guard and has a joyful twinkle in his eye, the ability to communicate that is authentic and natural. kamala harris, former attorney general, former senator, now vice president, a mixture of service and elected office. this is a really strong ticket. whether you wanted josh shapiro or you were thinking someone else, tim walz brings it. she must feel confident and comfortable around him, which is important. joining us now, monica with more. >> reporter: we can confirm that vice president harris has selected minnesota governor tim walz to be her running mate according to three sources with direct knowledge of this very consequential decision for a

candidate who just a couple of weeks ago thought herself that she was going to be the vice presidential nominee in this race until it was completely upended by president joe biden deciding to abandon his candidacy. we know and can report that she is currently in the process of making calls to the final contenders. we understand that over the weekend she met in person with governor walz, with governor josh shapiro of pennsylvania and senator mark kelly. we know there had been others in the mix and in the conversation who both the harris team and the vice president herself had been in touch with. she did take yesterday as sort of a final decision day in terms of making this. we know according to people who spoke with her that she really wanted to sleep on it one more night. we're told essentially she wanted to wake up today, feel

confident in making this pick and then execute on that plan. because they weren't sure and it was coming down to the wire, the harris campaign did have to print multiple different signs with the harris name at the top of the ticket and the other options beneath it just in case, depending on which direction she wanted to go in. i can tell you guys a little bit how vice president harris' meeting went with governor walz on sunday here in washington, d.c. i'm told their chemistry was really good, and that was something that was maybe a little bit surprising to the team because these two didn't know each other very well. they've had interactions and have been together a couple of times, but there were others on the list she has spent significantly more time in the past. the fact that they get along well is something of significance. there is a sense that governor walz is very likable, that he can hit it off pretty well with

almost anybody. that chemistry aspect was a part of it. she wanted to be sure this pick would be a good governing partner who would be loyal to their agenda. it's unique that vice president harris in her current role is making this decision as somebody who has done that job for the last 3 1/2 years. we were told she was thinking about this in terms of how president biden ultimately picked her, but she didn't necessarily think about it as being the joe biden to barack obama. for instance, she's trying to think of this as also being kamala harris as the official democratic nominee. we expect the campaign will have their official rollout of this in the coming hours, then we'll

see governor walz and vice president harris on the campaign trail this evening when they rally together in philadelphia. >> thank you so much. let's bring in andrew ross sorkin. one of the reasons the trump campaign feared josh shapiro is because of his contacts in the business community. he was seen as a moderate. he was okay with progressives as far as in the democratic party, but he was seen as a moderate from pennsylvania. i can't even begin to imagine what the business community is going to think about a progress progressive. that's the governor's house. >> i'm literally texting with a number of ceos right now. not to say that ceos are an arbiter of anything, but the

business community, as you just said, i think was hoping against hope that the governor of pennsylvania would be the vice presidential pick and that was going to be a larger indicator or signal about how vice president harris would govern as president, potentially moving more towards the center as opposed to moving more towards the left. clearly, it appears at least that this pick in the eyes of the business community is a signal she may want to govern more from a progressive left standpoint. we talked about shapiro's stance on fracking, for example, something that the business community thought, okay, we can work with him. given the sort of back and forth now of where harris has been on fracking, that was ultimately going to help her. i don't think we know enough

exactly about this pick's views on certain economic issues. i think you're going to see a lot of deep dives into tax policy and other things he's pursued. clearly in this sort of what is centrist, what's more left, that is the view this morning. >> politically, i mean, if you followed what politicians have been saying in the democratic party, he is a darling of progressives. he's a darling of the left, and they were lobbying very hard for a progressive ticket with a progressive in the number one and the number two slot. that's exactly what they got. let's now go to wall street. i'm curious. i want to know if we're going to have another meltdown day,

andrew. >> you were very right yesterday, joe, in terms of telling our audience here, relax for a second, don't go crazy, because the truth was that we had a downdraft yesterday, but things are looking to have stabilized today in the markets. i think we're starting to really understand it in terms of the downdraft yesterday out of japan where people had been borrowing yen and buying things like nvidia. now i think we might be a little more stable, but a lot is going to rest on what the fed does in september. it's going to be choppy. keep your seat belt on for the duration of this flight even when you're sitting down eating the food on the plane.

>> we talked about the days during covid and after covid where you'd have a big day where it would spike, a big day where it dipped and everyone ran in because they wanted to make money. it does seem like we may be in for that sort of turbulence instead of a market going straight down. >> i think there's going to be a lot more turbulence, not just economic turbulence. we're getting a number of reports today coming in that give you a little bit of a sense that the consumer is a little stretched and there's going to be questions about growth. having said that, i think the bigger thing is as this becomes a super tight race, that is going to create a lot of uncertainty in the market and not necessarily fully understanding what policies would get enacted if former president trump becomes the president again or if vice

president harris becomes the president. i think that's going to be the other sort of overhang all the way through november. >> cnbc's andrew ross sorkin, thank you very much for your insight. let's bring in right now speaker nancy pelosi of california. she's the author of a new book entitled "the art of power," my story as america's first woman speaker of the house. i'll add to that. twice. thank you very much for being on this morning. we'd love to hear your first reaction to the choice of tim walz. >> good morning. tim walz is wonderful. she had many good choices. tim walz i know very well.

he served in the house. to characterize him as left is so unreal. it's just not -- he's right down the middle. he's a heartland of america democrat. he is the chair of our veterans affairs committee. he made tremendous, tremendous gains for our veterans, working with our folks on the appropriations committee. we made more progress than has ever been made in the history of our country since the g.i. bill under his leadership. 25 years in the national guard, longest serving non-commissioned officer ever served in the congress of the united states. so he brings the security credential. he will do well in rural america. i heard joe say, biden was running against donald trump.

tim walz was running against somebody who had more credentials but he still won. really it's mystifying to me to see someone that i worked with right down the middle characterized on the left in this regard. he has her confidence, obviously. that was the decision that the presidential nominee, soon-to-be president of the united states has made. i respect her decision. i respect all the rest. look at the bench. josh shapiro, fabulous, buttigieg, beshear, the list goes on of so in great leaders in the democratic party across the country, mark kelly as well. they were all great. she had wonderful choices to make. gretchen, the governor of michigan as well, even though she took herself out of the running early on.

he has a great vision for our country. it's about working class families, about rural america, about our veterans. he has won for governor two times in minnesota. reverend sharpton talked about his decision in terms of the george floyd such a sad situation. obviously we respect the judgment of our nominee for president. her comfort level is our comfort level. >> madam speaker, this is now the beginning of the campaign. this is the democratic nominee for president and vice president running against the former incumbent donald trump. but your view on american politics, did it change early in the morning of october 28th, 2022, when you were awakened quite early in the morning here on the east coast by your security detail telling you that

your husband has been attacked and beaten in your own home, an element of politics, actually. >> well, that was a terrible threshold to cross, that someone would enter our home -- i have my level in guilty in terms of this. he was looking for me, where's nancy, where's nancy, echoing january 6th in the capitol. and then to assault my husband in that way, it's personal with us, with our family that they made jokes of it, even more traumatizing for our children and our grandchildren. it really speaks very clearly to the fact that we can't have that kind of politics in our country. politics is a peaceful way of

resolving -- >> it's already vicious at the inception of the campaign. >> well, my situation didn't happen that day. it happened with the republicans demonizing me, and some of them on network demonizing me. it creates an atmosphere where that would be acceptable. so we can't have that. we have to take that out of the picture. i was so saddened by the assault on the president. thank god it did not harm him. we can't have that in our politics. that was strange. we don't know the motivation. we don't know the person. what happened in our house was directly related to politics of the day. >> speaker pelosi, isn't that one of the things you hope to bring out in this book, "the art

of power," that we need to return to a sense of how we get legislation through, how we change policy, how we can disagree without being disagreeable. i think that's one of the reasons it may be providential that you hear when walz is chosen to run with vice president harris, because really this election will be about going back to the art of politics, rather than using physical force and threats and all kind of comedic as well as dangerous rhetoric. >> here we are in a journalistic forum that this person who had been president would say as president to a crowd, if you beat up the press, i'll pay your legal fees. that's not appropriate in any way. you didn't see too much blowback from other responsible republicans on that.

to your point, reverend sharpton, we have to return to that. i've been in congress a long time. we had our differences of opinion. that's the democratic way. and we represent our job title and job description are one and the same, representative. we represent our districts, so we have differences of opinion, whether it's regional, generational, ethnic, political, philosophy as well. so we have to return to a time when i first came to congress, it was like a kaleidoscope. one day the democrats would be against republicans over here. the next day it would be democrats and republicans against -- so everybody was estranged to you at some point

and you didn't want to weaken any resource and you always want to respect the people who sent them there. i believe in the goodness of the american people. i think they want us to return to a place where we can renegotiate and collaborate and do so with transparency, accountability and bipartisanship. i wish the republicans would take back the republican party. this is the grand old party that did great things to our country with great leaders in our country. it's now, in my view, been usurped as a cult to a thug, in my view. >> it almost feels like this is our last chance to bring things back to a place of civility and decency. you write about in your book, a never-before-reported phone call between yourself and donald trump in 2019 at 8:00 in the morning on the same day you were

to announce an impeachment inquiry, the first of two. you write in part this, again and again during our more than 20-minute call, trump repeated, it was a perfect call. the call was so perfect. the call is actually the whole thing. i didn't threaten anyone, he told me. there's no reason to impeach me. this back and forth continued with the president becoming increasingly whiney by the end. i've done a great job as president, he said. he kept repeating, it's very, very unfair. trump also fell back on the timing and complained about how this announcement was happening today, the day when he was speaking to the u.n. general assembly. i was thinking, well, good for you, that's what you're doing today. i'm telling you what i'm doing today. i ended the call by saying that the truth will come out. i've had a lot of conversations with this man. at the end of nearly all of them, i think either you are

stupid or you think the rest of us are. is that the bottom line, do you think, with donald trump? and is it easy to command respect and to be blunt like you are with leaders when you need to be? >> the fact is that he thinks he can get away with anything. he only has to say it and it becomes a categorical imperative. it was a perfect call. no. it was a perfectly clear call that he was jeopardizing the integrity of our elections, the security of our country, the authority of congress and the united states. he thought just because he did something, that it was okay, just as he thinks if he says something, it's declassified. he has this view of his shall we say authority. it's really a sad situation. that's why we really must win

the election, because we have to return to truth. we've never had elections whether it was george bush or mitt romney or bob dole. we had our differences of opinion. but in terms of the fate of the nation, this call is emblematic of so many wrongs in his case. that's why when he said, i can't believe you're doing this to me when i have to go address the u.n. general assembly. i was planning to call him after 9:00. he called me around 8:00. so we would have had this conversation anyway. >> the new book is entitled "the art of power, my story as

america's first woman speaker of the house." it's on sale now. nancy pelosi, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. incredible timing to have you on as well. >> my pleasure. harris/walz. >> thank you. coming up, we'll go live to philadelphia, where kamala harris and her running made tim walz will make their first campaign appearance together this evening. that is straight ahead on "morning joe." ng that is straig ahthead on "morning joe."

we continue with our breaking news coverage now. joining us now from philadelphia, where kamala harris and tim walz will make their first campaign appearance together this evening, nbc news washington correspondent ymiche alcindor. what are you hearing? >> reporter: i'm hearing vice

president kamala harris found in tim walz, the governor of minnesota, someone that she feels chemistry with, someone she feels will be loyal to her and help her elevate the ticket even more than it already is to bring in voters that may be a little worried about whether or not they were going to back democrats this cycle. i just got off the phone with the minnesota attorney general keith ellison. he told me he thought this was a brilliant choice. he was talking to me about who tim walz is in minnesota. the first point he made is, while minnesota might be a blue state, they're a blue state because american democrats work at it every single year and they've figured out how to talk to people in a way that's plain and direct and help them understand the democratic party is about benefitting their lives. we're going to hear about the george floyd case. the officer would not be in prison if tim walz had not appointed the attorney general, taking it out of the hands of the county prosecutor and say

we're going to elevate this case and make sure this person gets the justice we believe he serves. he also did universal lunch across the state. he's talked to people in rural counties and in urban counties and brought in people across the state to really understand they can unify the party. he was saying to me this is someone who also can communicate very directly. we were talking about the idea that tim walz was the one who called the republicans weird. in one word, he gave the harris campaign a sort of slogan they've been using over and over again and in some ways previewed how tim walz could really sum up things and go after people and really attack republicans, but doesn't have to say it very long -- they also feel like she found someone who won't undermine her, someone who will bring added value to the ticket.

this is a decision she thought about for a long time, only making it official this morning. >> yamiche alcindor in philadelphia, thank you very much. there's talk that this is a gift to the republicans, that he has a really progressive agenda and this ticket is not going to be all-inclusive, it will be less inclusive in a way. tim walz is a pheasant hunter. he won a purple district when he ran for congress in 2006. he is a man of faith. he is a former teacher of geography. are these attributes going to be enough to push up against the criticism he's getting from those who think this will not be an all-inclusive ticket? >> i think that's what republicans are going to try and paint it as, is an extremely progressive ticket. it really doesn't comport with how governor walz acts and

behaves and interacts with people as a politician, which is very, very down to earth. he's also a joyful warrior. as we've seen in the last two weeks, vice president harris has also been a joyful campaigner. i mean, the harris/walz sounds like a dance to me. it sounds like a happy dance. it's going to be very hard to paint him in dark terms when people come face to face and see how he speaks to them. free lunches for people, as he said on another network, how monstrous to provide free lunches for kids across minnesota. this is not the kind of thing that scares people. he doesn't have like an extreme high-tax record. he's using fiscal resources to

address gross social imbalances in minnesota in a way that i think most people would understand. this is not, as i said earlier, he is not a berkeley liberal. he's not going to trigger that side of the right very easily, but that's not going to stop them attempting to paint him that way. just to conclude, they have a very, very bad running mate in jd vance, extremely unpopular. they want payback. i just don't think walz is the payback that they think he is. >> well, tim walz speaks really well in a comfortable way about the fight for women's freedoms, especially health care freedoms, which was taken away by the republican side, by donald trump during his presidency with his supreme court picks. so they do have issues on their side. you can call them progressive

issues, but there are republican women who need abortion health care who are being given some dire choices now thanks to donald trump. i think it's all in how they sell the ticket and what they stand for. that would be freedom. bringing this back to donald trump and in your column entitled "trump is frailing" you write that trump doesn't know how to handle kamala harris as an opponent. in 2016, hillary clinton could effortlessly be portrayed by trump as embodying the old establishment. until he dropped out, biden was easy for trump to depict as unfit to serve again. harris, on the other hand, is a phenomenon trump has never encountered. she is far younger, far more energetic and does not belong to the old establishment. in a weird way, that role now belongs to trump, like the use of the word weird, which tim walz came up with for the

republicans. the dynamic has shifted in a big way. ultimately this comes back to trump versus harris and then the running mates against each other. the contrast could not be more extreme and the dynamic has shifted incredibly. >> the energy, the enthusiasm is now with the democrats. i was in milwaukee. i got the floor pass to mix with delegates at the rnc that week. to a person, everybody was delighted that bind was their opponent, was trump's opponent, and there was a sense of history's on our side, this is election is going to be a blowout. the entire trump campaign was based on the idea that biden is the democratic nominee. they haven't adjusted to the lightning speed with which that is no longer the reality. that is no longer the case. suddenly there is a younger, more energetic -- and as i said

earlier about walz, but true of harris too, kind of a joyful warrior here, someone who's clearly enjoying his campaign and is saying to trump bring it on, i want to debate you. trump is running away from that. i don't think they've adjusted to the radical change in circumstances. >> so, claire, jump in on that, you know, how you think tim walz adds to this ticket in terms of not only being the joyful warrior, but helping sell the harris/walz now agenda. what do you see happening in the -- how many days left until the election? it's not a long time. three months? >> no. isn't it great? i'd love it if we only had campaigns that were three months, four months long. they will be pushing back on this, i'm sure. but the idea that tim walz is

some lefty is not true in reality. he got elected in a district that was very moderate. there are many parts of minnesota that it's not easy to get elected as a democrat, and he represented one of them. he is definitely somebody who is absolutely more moderate than people are giving him credit for right now. i would like someone to point out a place that he is different on an issue than josh shapiro. there's not a place that they are significantly different. so i really hope there is more information coming out that will correct this push that the republicans are foisting upon america that this is some lefty ticket. by the way, the way, minnesota july, cnbc did a study, and minnesota was the sixth most business-friendly state in the country. sixth. you know, so clearly he is

somebody who understands that business is very important to the health of his state and to the health of america. i think this is going to be mac and cheese and a trip to the hardware store, grounded vice presidential candidate that's going to make people smile and is going to be a real asset to kamala harris. >> claire mccaskill and ed luce, thank you both very much for helping us cover this breaking news. we'll be right back with more "morning joe." we'll be right ba "morning joe." why do couples choose a sleep number smart bed? can it keep me warm when i'm cold? wait, no, i'm always hot. sleep number does that. during our biggest sale of the year, save 50% on the sleep number® limited edition smart bed. shop now at a sleep number store near you.

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trump is trying to point vice president kamala harris as an ultra liberal. of all her potential running mates, you might have the most progressive record as governor. i know you were more of a moderate when you were in the house. but you've legalized recreational marijuana, you passed universal background checks on guns, you expanded lgbtq protection, implemented tuition-free college for low-income minnesotans. there's free breakfast and lunch for school kids. do you think your record is an asset to the ticket, or would it

risk fueling trump's attacks as you being a big government liberal? >> what a monster -- kids are eating and having full bellies so they can learn, and women are making health care decisions. we're a top five business state and rank in the top three of happiness. look, they're going to label whatever they're going to label. he's going to roll it out, mispronounce names to try and make the case. the fact of the matter is where you see the policies that vice president harris was a part of making, democratic governors across the country executed those policies and quality of life is higher, the economies are better. all of those things, educational attainment is better. my kids are going to eat here, and you're going to have a chance to college, and you're going to have an opportunity to live where we're working on reducing carbon emissions. and by the way, you're going to have personal incomes that are higher and you're going to have health insurance. if that's where they want to label me, i'm more than happy to take the label. >> all right. jonathan, than tim walz

responding to the criticism pre being selected as kamala harris' running mate. now the republican onslaught. will he be ready? does he have an answer to everything from what far right republicans will say to the business community? >> yeah, it's already started, republicans trying to paint walls as -- walz as hyper leftie. he's a hunter, yes, he has done free school meals, but he's a mainstream democrat on most issues, and has prison himself to be an effective communicator. that he is someone who has been excellent in interviews like that. i think we should all anticipate a boffo convention speech in a couple of weeks. the reverend al sharpton is someone most americans don't know, this rollout here over the next week or so extremely important. we saw it not go well for trump and j.d. vance. a lot of eyes on walz here. there are many in the party who thought josh shapiro was the smarter, safer pick for

pennsylvania, but walz has electrified some of the more progressives. there's a sense that he will court the youth vote better, athlete not repel some of the youth vote shapiro might have, naysayers say. what's your read? >> i think it's a stretch to make him a leftie, but i think he has done things that will energize a lot of the base, certainly young voters, certainly those that are considered center, leaning left, and black voters, what he did around george floyd. we cannot forget the george floyd case with keith ellison winning which was one of the monumental cases of our time. it's because governor walz did it. i think that when you look at the fact that he will be compared to vance, it is not even close. he's had the worst rollout of a vice presidential candidate in my lifetime. to say that walz is going to be compared to him -- i hope they debate, and i hope that j.d.

vance is prepared for the debate by donald trump so we'll have a real disaster on the republican side. >> yeah, you're absolutely right. within two weeks, i would bet you, joe and mika, that within two weeks the republicans will drop the phrase "the elitists" replying to democrats. almost every american who gets a good dose of tim walz on the stump or on tv or answering questions as he did there with jake tapper, every american is going to recognize a guy that they would be familiar with in the same grocery store line with them, the same guy pumping gas alongside with them, the regular guy from minnesota. >> and his challenge is going to be being that regular guy that is able to do something he wasn't able to do in his own gubernatorial race in 2022, and that is actually pull votes from

-- from excerpts and rural districts across the under midwest. that's going -- upper midwest. that's going to be the challenge. as far as him being a progressive or mort, i don't know. -- moderate, i don't know. i will say this -- progressives over the past week were his champion, were pushing for him over shapiro, and they weren't doing that because they see him as a conservative. >> yeah. i know one thing, he won't be talking about childless cat ladies or being racially divisive. that's a step up from the other side. that does it for us this morning. >> that's a bar -- >> it is. anna cabrera picks up the coverage right now. >> reporter: it is 9:00 eastern, i'm reporting from new york. let's get right to the big political news this morning. vice president kamala harris choosing minnesota governor tim walz as her running mate. that decision breaking within the last hour with harris having made her choice this morning.