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it is good to be back with you for this second hour of "chris jansing reports." at this hour, a blue wall battle ground blitz with just 90 days to go, tim walz declares, we'll sleep when we're dead,

continuing a campaign sprint across the u.s. with kamala harris. they're standing by for their live remarks in wisconsin, set to begin in just moments. plus, as a former teacher and coach, tim walz knows practice makes perfect, the sinkers and one liners he's testing out on donald trump. and trailing them on the trail, where harris and walz go, so does j.d. vance. his new remarks questioning walz military service and what he calls stolen valor garbage. we're also live in the critical state of michigan, democrats say it is a must win. so what do voters think about a race that's gone through very topsyturvy weeks. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments, and we begin with a little more than 24 hours after becoming compares's vp, tim walz who's showing off his ability to be an attack dog. here's nbc's alex seitz-wald following this for us. what exactly has he been saying,

alex? >> yeah, chris, attack dog has been a traditional role for any running mate. the idea is they can get their hands a little bit dirtier than the nominee, on the trail constantly. walz is doing it in his own unique sort of mid western way. take a look. >> you feel it, these guys are creepy, and yes, just weird as hell. that's what you see. that's what you see. over those next 91 days and every day in the white house, i'll have vice president harris's back, every single day. and we'll have yours. >> so walz, of course, came up with that term weird that he first labeled republicans with, and then kamala harris and the entire democratic party started using it. that really caught the eye of the people who were involved in the vice presidential selection process according to our sources. they liked that it was kind of down to earth, regular

conversational english, cut through the typical political rhetoric and jargon that we're used to, and they liked that they got beyond the policy, beyond the kind of high level stuff, and to a level of character. they want to reclaim the normy ground, so to speak. the middle of the country, and they feel like democrats have chance after being labeled by donald trump and other republicans as the weird ones. they feel like they have a chance to be a normal ones, and they feel like tim walz is about the most normal guy they could find for their ticket. they hope that kind of authenticity, the plain spoken, folksy english is going to cut through for voters in the key battleground states. >> alex seitz-wald, thank you for that. there's been a huge influx of donations as they kick off their tour of battleground states.

shaquille brewster is in eclair. they have begun to play music. big 24 hours since this kickoff, right? >> reporter: certainly a big 24 hours in the first day that you have been seeing of the harris/walz campaign, and we see the vice president's motorcade coming into the event space right now. we know in the first 24 hours, the campaign has raised more than $36 million. that's what you're seeing at the higher up level. here on the ground, i'll tell you, talking to voters, you're hearing a lot of energy and enthusiasm about the ticket. ahead of the vice president and the governor of minnesota, but i want you to listen to the conversations i have been having with supporters who have been waiting in long lines, braving the heat. listen to what they told me about what they feel about this ticket. >> we're veterans. i'm a veteran. i want to make sure veterans get the message, we need the right

guy in office. now that we got a vp who's a military guy, yeah, we got the winning ticket. >> i was a younger voter, it feels promising to have someone in office that is younger and also as an educator, to have tim walz in office would be awesome. >> reporter: this has set off a race to define the governor of minnesota, tim walz, where you have democrats saying he's someone that represents mid western values, the governor of wisconsin up here on stage saying that harris and walz are like cheese curds and custard here in wisconsin. of course making that direct reference. then you have republicans here saying that this is something that helps them as well. they say that the minnesota governor is too liberal. he's going to turn off some of the more moderate voters. it energizes republicans here in the state. especially in the western side of the state who are familiar with what happens in minnesota,

familiar with the governor's record there. so you have both sides really spending money, adding resources to define this candidate that we know when you look at polling at least, about 70% of americans say they don't know him. so you have both sides trying to change that in their direction, chris. >> shaquille brewster, i haven't heard a word you said after cheese curds, now i'm hungry, thank you, my friend, good to see you as always. in the meantime, tim walz time in the national guard is a new focus of attacks from j.d. vance. nbc's garrett haake joins us from shelby town, michigan, where vance spoke today. what exactly did he have to say? >> reporter: what you see a classic example of trying to take someone's political strength and turn it into a weakness. j.d. vance seized on a video that exists of tim walz talking about gun control and arguing that people shouldn't be able to go out and buy weapons like the weapon he carried in war. vance seizing on that to note that tim walz never served in

war. he left the national guard after 24 years in 2005, just before his unit was set to deploy to iraq. vance, using those two things together to deliver this attack on tim walz. >> i wonder, tim walz, when were you in war, what was this weapon, given you abandoned your unit before you went to iraq. what bothers me is the stolen valor garbage. if he wants to criticize me for getting about ivy league education. my ma maw supported me, i would be ashamed if i was shim and lied about my military service like he did. >> reporter: interestingly, vance himself was a marine. he served as a public affairs officer in iraq, and earlier today on this network, wes moore, the governor of maryland himself, an army captain who served in afghanistan suggested that vance probably should have

known better than to go down this road. here's how moore the democrat defended tim walz. >> i think j.d. vance knows being a corporal, you don't get to sergeant major just because. you get to sergeant major because you have been served this country. you get to sergeant major because you were willing to put on the uniform and put the flag of this country on your shoulder. so if j.d. vance is going to go after tim walz, i would suggest, and he would say from his own military training and experience, do not attack the fact that someone raised their hand to serve this country. >> reporter: as best i can tell, j.d. vance not following that advice. in the last few minutes since we have been on the air, he has been talking to reporters on the tarmac in wisconsin about this issue still further. this is clearly something that the trump campaign thinks is a weakness they can exploit going forward. >> garrett haake. thank you. let's go to michigan where voters are not shy of sharing opinions ahead of an appearance

by harris and walz tonight. gabe gutierrez is in detroit for us. what have you been hearing, gabe? >> reporter: you kept hearing about mid western values, and that is what the harris and walz ticket plans to appeal to in michigan. that rally scheduled for later tonight. as you know, michigan is a critical state for this campaign. more than 100,000 people voted uncommitted in the democratic primary, so they're trying to win many of those voters over. and of course walz brings strong union support to the ticket. earlier today, on this network, the uaw president shawn fain praising tim walz. we also spoke with some voters when they heard about the announcement yesterday. this is outside an event here in michigan. take a listen. >> the reason why i think he would be a good add to this ticket is because i'm sure kamala picked him because of his record of good governance in

minnesota. and i hope that will follow him into the office. >> well, i know minnesota is really really important in keeping that blood midwest wall, and i know that he's got a kind of more of a moderate base than being extremely liberal. i think it could be a nice balance to the ticket there. >> reporter: certainly those are some supporters of the ticket, but we did speak with some skeptics earlier today, for example, in dearborn, the american population in the state, we spoke with voters we first talked to back in february, they're not still convinced to vote for the democratic ticket. they say that many of the same policies that president joe biden supported when it came to the israel/hamas war, they think kamala harris will continue those on. they are hopeful over the next coming month, they may be able to win their support. someone told me still they are considering voting third party.

>> gabe gutierrez, thank you. in 90 seconds, he rode the word weird straight to the top. now tim walz is testing out a new message for republicans. mind your own business. we'll talk about that next. boutt , the struggle-is-real. that's why you need zevo traps. zevo goes wherever bugs do— working 24/7, using blue and uv light to attract and trap flying insects, with no odor and no mess. getting rid of the bugs you see, and even the ones you don't. for effortless protection everywhere in your home. zevo. people-friendly. bug-deadly. to catch up to twice the bugs, try zevo max.

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your own damn business. >> some of us are old enough to remember when it was republicans who were talking about freedom. it turns out now what they meant was the government should be free to invade your doctors' office. in minnesota, we respect our neighbors and their personal choices that they make. even if we wouldn't make the same choice for ourselves, there's a golden rule, mind your own damn business. >> it sets up an intriguing possibility, walz going up against donald trump's number two. j.d. vance. >> and i got to tell you, i can't wait to debate the guy. [ cheering and applause ]

that is if he's willing to get off the couch and show up. see what i did there. >> i absolutely want to debate tim walz but i want to debate him after he's actually officially the nominee. >> you know, campaigns are always about ideas and who best messages them. after a decade of trump driving the political messaging of the day, can harris/walz bring a different vision of america. i want to bring in symone sanders townsend, cohost of "the weekend", and elise jordan, former aide to george w. bush white house and state department and also an msnbc political analyst. i don't know, is mind your own damn business the bumper sticker message we're going to see on

the harris web site? what do you make of this tim walz, including, by the way, clapping for himself. he gets so into the crowd, he collapse for himself. >> governor walz is actually originally from nebraska. and as a native nebraskan myself, a north omahan, that is nebraska nice of him, clapping for one's self. it's endearing, i believe. the bumper sticker it made me think of governor gretchen whitmer, when she ran her gubernatorial race, her tag line was fix the damn roads. it spoke to something everyone could identify with, the roads, your city roads or driving on the highway, she wants to fix the damn roads, and it was endearing, it was straightforward. i think mind your own dag gone business is right along that line, and it doesn't just speak

to what is happening in the reproductive front, not just in some of the battleground states but truly across the country, it speaks to folks and their children, right. it talks about health care, it is education. you know, the mind your own business can go to so many different things. the vice president has been championing since dobbs was overturned. and i do think that that is something that is going to speak across demographics and to voters who don't like what donald trump and j.d. vance are selling. >> at least walz has, i think, a particular skill set, which seems to be delivering a kind of devastating line with humor. take a listen to this. >> he froze in the face of the covid crisis. he drove our economy into the ground. and make no mistake, violent crime was up under donald trump.

that's not even counting the crimes he committed. >> do you think, elise, that pointed, clever, can compete with the grievance politics of donald trump and j.d. vance. >> yes, chris, i do because it's good television. it's entertaining. and that at the end of the day is what drew so many voters back in 2016 to donald trump when he was the political new thing, and now he's not anymore. it's kamala harris and tim walz who are driving the conversation, who are front and center in media coverage and they look like they're having a lot of fun doing it, too. i think that's key, there's a sense of joy, a playfulness. it's not doom and gloom and the democracy message of, if they don't win, democracy is going to die. it's just these people, get them out of your lives, get

government out of your life, and like simone was saying, that has the ability to, you know, to reverberate between different sectors of the electorate who don't want the government in their lives, and it's just kind of hilarious that they have managed to turn that message against republicans who previously were not for government intervention in the minute facets of your life. >> you know, there are the words you say on the trail, and then there's also, right, the way you say them, your persona. and elise called it, he seemed to be have lot of fun, joy. i thought as i was watching last night, he seemed delighted to be on that stage. it's not a word you hear a lot anymore. and some folks are calling what he has big dad energy. does that somehow make his attack lines even more potent? >> i think so. i think the fact that it is matter of fact, if you will.

voters across the board, look, winning campaigns, campaigns about the future, campaigns about hope, campaigns that give people something to vote for, not just someone, but a vision, something people can see and get behind. and the thing about governor walz is that he does seem very endearing, and i've had the opportunity to chat with and speak to the governor a number of times, and the last time i saw him was just like, you forget that this man is the governor of minnesota. he watches the network, he loves the show. i tried to live book him in that last interaction. and he seems like such a, maybe a regular person is the line to use, and i think that's part of the reason he and the vice president connected. you know, obviously governor walz is currently the chair of the democratic governor's association. to be determined if he is going to step drown from that role over the next 90 days while he

campaigns for the vice presidency, if you will, with vice president harris. but as a chair of the democratic governor's association, he had had interactions obviously with other governors across the country with the president and vice president regularly, and governor walz and the vice president knew one another but it's my understanding when she sat down to have her one-on-one interview with him, the chemistry, the endearing nature, the way that he talked about the role of a vice president, it felt like to the vice president that they were on the same page, and he was someone that she could work with for the next four, maybe even eight years, and i think that's what it came down to for the vice president, and one may think that that might be what it comes down to for the voters. >> and, you know, elise, at one point last night, tim walz shared the story of how his children were conceived through ivf, his real life experience, adding to harris' high profile, defense of reproductive rights,

she has been the spokesperson for this administration. i'm wondering how you see that play out on the campaign trail, and maybe, if it actually happens, on the debate stage. >> this is a terrible issue for donald trump. he is the president who is known as taking away women's reproductive freedom, and that he is part of an effort, he has a vice president who's even more draconian than he is, and wants to do more to restrict your reproductive freedom. voters know that kamala harris has been out there on this issue. when i was in wisconsin and talking to democrats, they were excited that she would be elevated to this role because it also meant that she could draw more attention to women's health, and access to health care in the country. so anything they do to draw that contrast to keeping the government out of your doctors office versus sending doctors to prison for performing health care procedures is good. that's a great contrast for the independent swing voters that

kamala harris needs to win. >> elise jordan, symone sanders townsend, love having both of you on the program. thank you. i want to bring in wisconsin congressman, glenn moore, as they are about to take the stage. you were open about your experience with abortion, and we often talk about it as an issue that resonates so much with that suburban woman voter, but to have tim walz out there talking about what it was like as a dad, how important do you think that could be for reproductive justice generally for the message on the democratic party to look at this as a whole family issue? >> absolutely. and i think having men, ally, is an extremely important part of the this messaging. it's not just about abortion. it's about bodily autonomy, it's

about freedom. and tim walz himself had both of his children by ivf. and that is something that's been contested. and so it's definitely a family issue. and i'm really happy to have tim walz on board. >> let me ask you about your voters in your state. how do you think his mantra, mind your own damn business is going to land there? >> that's really going to work here. he's a regular guy. he's from the midwest. i was absolutely delighted to see this selection. i think he's so relatable. you know, he's like the kind of guy that we need to claw back from the throes of the anger and misrepresentation and lies of donald trump. hard working people who believe in gun rights. he's a hunter.

but he also believes in not making -- having these weapons of mass destruction that have no role in protection or sportsmanship. i think he's the perfect person to march into the suburbs of milwaukee and the western part of our state as well as places like philadelphia, and other places out in michigan. i think he is perfect. >> you know, this is kamala harris's second trip to your state as a presidential candidate. her sixth visit this year, that tells you everything you want to know about how important democrats see this in this election. president biden carried wisconsin by less than a percentage point in 2020 and the latest cbs yougov poll, harris behind donald trump by 1. that is well within the margin of error. very tight race. what's going to make the difference this time, do you

think? >> i am so glad that the harris/walz campaign is seeing this, and seeing themselves as behind. because we cannot afford to do what we did in 2016. i mean, we were all so convinced that hillary clinton was going to win. we let our guard down. this is a place in our city where you actually need to go door to door to ask people to turn out and vote, that personal touch and that personal attention. and of course it requires resources to be able to do that. we have to ask people for their vote. we can't just assume that they're going to turn out. and so i am so happy that they recognize the importance of our state and of our city, and we need democrats to act like it. >> let me ask you to go micro on your state since we know it so well. i ask that because joe biden

hasn't been there since he was running with obama in 2012. there was a quote in the local newspaper there of a democratic official who says this all feels exciting. it displays that commitment to rural communities, running a campaign, meant to be exclusive to everyone. not just a focus on major metro areas. the path of winning wisconsin, he said, oftentimes comes through the chippewa valley. what does that say to you, and what does this rally say to you in that location? >> i am delighted that they have gone to western wisconsin and to eau claire. we have another race that's occurring in that area too against a van orton, he's been a terrible, terrible representative, and also, democrats do believe in climate justice that's connected with our farmers. we have seen so many people who rely on farming that have found

themselves suicidal or finding themselves unable to sustain themselves and a natural partnership is with democrats and for them to show up in that area is an opportunity for them to explain that, to demonstrate that, to show the receipts in terms of what congress and democrats have done to try to address -- democrats are so glad, tammy baldwin, our senator is going to be there. she has leaned heavily into the needs of farmers, and i think that indeed it will be easy to convert people to the side of democrats once they see the receipts and whose policies are really truly farmer oriented. also, we only need two seats

from where we are to regain control of the house of representatives, and like i said, that one seat in western wisconsin could be 50% of all of our efforts to try to regain the control of the house of representatives which we desperately need to do. >> congresswoman gwen moore, always good to see you. thank you for coming on the show. >> you too, thanks for having me. we are continuing to stand by with kamala harris and tim walz taking the stage in wisconsin on their first full day as running mates. we'll have that for you live. and to fight heartburn, why take 10 antacids throughout the day when you can take 1 prilosec. for easier heartburn relief, one beats ten. prilosec otc. one pill. 24 hours. zero heartburn.

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donald trump is now relying on the words of another former president as he tries to settle on a message to use against the newly formed democratic ticket. >> please welcome president ronald reagan, who has a few questions for you. >> you will go to the polls, you'll stand there in the polling place and make a decision. i think when you make that decision, it might be well if you would ask yourself, are you better off than you were four years ago? >> joining us now, nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard, we should say four years ago americans were navigating a global pandemic, among other things, what is the trump campaign, though, hoping to gain with that? >> if we stick to the pacific for your time line, of course in

2020, there were 350,000 americans who died of covid, and unemployment rose up to 15%. however, if you look at january 2020 or even more so 2019, this is where the trump campaign wants americans to go look back to, and at that point in time, real wage growth was taking place throughout the trump years, and unemployment in january of 2020 was down to 3.6%. it is .3% now, and when you compare the purchasing power for americans in the year of 2019 to now, it was greater at that point in time because inflation was not as high as it is now compared to wage growth, so the trump campaign is going to make the argument over these next 90 days that financially, at least on some numbers-wise, americans were in a better position, and that is what they're going to try to say to the american public. >> i want to go back to something we showed. on one side you see folks

waiting for harris and walz. j.d. vance said he just saw the vice president's plane when he landed at the local airport, and he said that will be mine in a few months, talking obviously about air force 2. tim walz is somebody new for them to attack. yesterday they talked about him embracing policies to allow convicted felons to vote, which many people were quick to jump on. talk about that whole line of attack. >> first on the vance line, it's our understanding the current vice president, kamala harris, her motorcade had just left the plane when j.d. vance got off. his campaign went over, he wanted to check out his new ride, you could say he's measuring the drapes, which is a questionable move. when we talk about the line that came out from the initial campaign statement from the trump campaign yesterday after tim walz was announced as kamala harris's running mate.

he was called out for wanting convicted felons to vote. which is interesting because the top of the republican ticket, donald trump, is set to be formally a convicted felon next month here in lower manhattan when the judge issues the sentencing, assuming the conviction is not tossed out. tim walz, what he did in the state of minnesota is to do exactly what is on the books in new york, which allows convicted felons to vote as long as they are not incarcerated. so the trump campaign calling out tim walz for doing exactly what will give donald trump the right to vote in november. >> again, we are hearing from the republican vice presidential nominee, and waiting to hear from the democratic ticket. joining me now, nbc news chief political analyst, chuck todd who's out with a new piece on how harris's selection of walz as her running mate completes a total reset of what was once a

stagnant race. chuck, harris clearly has the wind in her sails, you see it in the polling, the fundraising, the enthusiasm at the rallies, but the basic question, i think, is she winning right now or is trump losing? >> i think what she's done is he's got the democratic coalition back together. when you start to see there's a new poll out that came over from marquette university in wisconsin, which helps reinforce what i think we have been seeing which is democratic enthusiasm levels about this election now match republican enthusiasm levels. here's what hasn't happened. it's not as if republicans are demoralized about this election, right. when we see, you know, the reason we saw trump building a lead and why there was such fear among democrats that biden was going to lead them into a 1980 like result, a la jimmy carter was because democratic enthusiasm about the ticket was in the toilet. and republicans were much more enthusiastic than democrats

about the election, about voting, all of these measurements that matter when it comes to gauging turnout. so she's caught up, and i think the question now is, you know, it's sort of like this is still in theory trump's election to lose if you look at sort of the fundamentals, perception of the economy being really the number one indicator, and there's all of these different ways where you could say, okay, and the fact that a majority of the country believes we need to go in a different direction, and yet, he's handled this moment terribly. he clearly is rattled by this. i have talked to people close to him who indicate, you know, he's had such a one track mind on avenging his defeat from biden that it's bothered him that he's no longer running against boyden. we saw and it's sort of, i wrote that, and then that truth social post came out last night after i wrote it. my gosh, it's exactly what these folks were telling me. he can't give up the ghost of

biden right now, and it's because he can't accept that somebody defeated him because they had the opposite personality, and in order to accept the biden defeat, he has to that he was regular rejected. until they get focused, they have a problem if the leader of the ticket can't seem to focus on the november election and the opponent that he actually has. >> and you do see a discipline, right, on the democratic side, and let's not -- i mean, look, much of the campaign team is still in place from joe biden, but this is a campaign that had to do a big shift very quickly. it's only been a couple of weeks, right. so i'm curious about the whole vice presidential decision making on both sides, and how you feel that plays into it. often we think that vice presidents don't matter. some people say if josh shapiro could have delivered pennsylvania, all of those

things. if you watch the split screen, in wisconsin, what do you see? >> look, i think that there's an explainable rationale of why she chose the safer pick. shapiro and kelly, the final three, since she met with three, both are going to draw protest at the convention. there was going to be a brush fire, not a lot. in some ways, you know, chris, think about it in our own jobs. when you have a quick deadline, and you have to scramble to do something, there's a purpose, and everybody is almost sometimes running smoother and people are making quick decisions. there's no hemming and hawing and hand wringing which sometimes can bog the decision making process down. i think certainly the vice president is benefitting from this short time line. for instance, she hasn't yet

taken, what, one question from the open press since becoming the head of the party. in some ways, she hasn't had time to do anything. she has been trying to put this campaign. so they have been -- they almost have to be disciplined or they wouldn't be able to make sure they got their ticket in place to make sure they make all the ballots. right? the short time line is forcing discipline, and the more disciplined campaigns usually win. trump has been an unusual person in that he's been undisciplined and still been able to pull off victories in the past. i think that's a unique aspect to him that the rest of history would show you it doesn't work that way. >> it feels like we're in a world of nothing but quick deadlines. we'll see how that plays out in the remaining 90 days it's good to see you. chuck todd, thank you. tropical storm debby is crawling up the coast and dumping an immense amount of

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we continue to track that flooding from tropical storm debby. it has left large swaths of south carolina soaked with up to 15 inches of rain in some areas, and it's not done yet.

the storm expected to make a second landfall after gaining strength off the coast. myrtle beach's fire department is already rolling out red rafts for rescues. one woman told our local affiliate, wmbf, preparing for the storm means packing up. >> all of my outdoor things that i have in the yard, i have been picking them up, packing them away, and then have to put them all back after it's done. just preparing and make sure they all stay safe during the whole storm. >> nbc's erin mclaughlin is live in myrtle beach. six people already killed in its path. i see the wind picking up where you are. what's the latest? >> reporter: yeah, that's right, chris, we're in the midst of a pretty significant storm band here in myrtle beach. as you can see, lots of wind. but it's the rain that has officials the most concerned because with the rain comes that additional potential for flooding, and we were out in

town earlier today talking to local business owners. keep in mind, all of this is happening in the height of tourism season, a billion dollar industry. we saw shops closed, restaurants with sandbags outside. local business owners taking this in stride. take a listen. >> it's the height of summer season, and people are dwelling and tucking down and hunkering down and trying to get ready for the storm like everybody else. >> this isn't good for business. >> it's not, no, but we can't stop god. you know? it is what it is. >> reporter: now, the governor of south carolina has announced an all hands on deck approach combining federal, state and local resources as well as the military on stand by, waiting to see what happens out of all of this. the good news, though, is this band is hitting after high tide. high tide happened here in myrtle beach at 10:00 a.m.

and that could be the difference between flooding and not flooding as a result of this kind of storm activity. chris. >> erin mclaughlin, be safe out there. thank you still ahead, let's take a live look at wisconsin, kamala harris and tim walz, as part of their blue ground battle ground blitz. we're back in a moment. ground blitz we're back in a moment could these be warning signs of something bigger? thank goodness we called his cardiologist because these were signs of attr-cm, a rare and serious disease... ...that gets worse over time. if you see any of the warning signs, don't wait, ask your cardiologist about attr-cm today.

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face murder charges in the death of d'vontaye mitchell, the 43-year-old black man who police say was dragged outside a hyatt hotel and pinned to the ground for several minutes. the medical examiner ruled his death a homicide just last week. joining us now, nbc news correspondent, antonia hylton. i wonder how the d.a.'s office reached this decision. what do we know about this? >> well, these four men are facing felony murder charges because these are the four men you see in the video footage who make physical contact with d'vontaye mitchell. this is incredibly disturbing video for anyone who hasn't taken a look at it yet. you see him get dragged, hit repeatedly. it's two security officers, a front desk worker and a bellhop. then they hold him down, pin him down this a scene people have likened to what we saw four years ago with george floyd. this has of course sent shock waves through the community and immense pain for his family.

our team sat down with his widow, take a listen. >> i want everyone to know how good of a person he was. he was great. he wasn't violent. he wasn't combative. he wasn't argumentative. he wasn't any of these things. he was a big bear, a big ted by bear, and he was sweet and he was gentle, and he was kind and loving. everybody loved him. >> the hotel alleged that he was causing a disturbance in the lobby, and that's what led to this. and some of the family members have raised the possibility that he might have been going through a mental health episode when all of this transpired but for many people in the community, they don't see that as an excuse for what you see happen for eight to nine minutes there. what we have also heard from the family is they want to see these four people held accountable to the fullest extent. if they are convicted, they will be behind bars for about 15 or so years potentially. >> where does this go next? what's the next step in all of

this. >> there's a few stages in the investigation. what do these men plead. already one told our affiliate, he believes he's innocent, he followed instructions from his manager. is someone going to be at fault for directions they gave. that's a major question, and another question in the community is training for security officers who work at places like this. what kind of responsibility do they have to the people who come to these businesses. >> antonia hylton, thank you. and that's going to do it for us this hour. make sure to join us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday, 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. coming up, pennsylvania senator john fetterman will join ali vitali on "katy tur reports," that's next. r reports," that's next. (knock on the door) are you using all the old spice? oops. ♪ (old spice mnemonic) ♪ we planned well for retirement, but i wish we had more cash. you think those two

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