populist appeal you mean his appeals to tribalism? look, i think if there is an economic populism here it's clearly on the side of governor walz and these attacks, i love attacks that they're trying to level at him at being a liberal. he is a liberal because he passed family paid medical leave and sick leave. last time i checked with research, you know, two-thirds of american support that. so many of the things that they are attacking him on for being liberal about are things that working families and working americans largely support and they want more of. >> and, cornell, if it were any other moment i would stay here and talk about paid leave all day because it is an immensely popular policy, one we talked about a lot on capitol hill. during the build back better era by became the bipartisan infrastructure bill but of course i have to leave it here because it is right near 4:00 and that is it for me today. guys, thank you for joining us and "deadline: white house" starts right now. ♪♪

hi there, everyone. it's 4:00 in the east, less than 24 hours after the hard launch of the kamala harris/tim walz ticket the stark choice facing american voters in november is coming into even sharper focus. on the one hand the joyful, electric, happy warrior, massive crowd size vibes of vice president kamala harris and her newly minted running mate tim walz, who are at this hour blazing a path through battleground states. fresh off last night's mega rally in philadelphia, they are boots on the ground in eau claire, wisconsin. that rally will be swiftly followed by another one in detroit later tonight. three rallies in 24 hours. more than 14,000 people in attendance last night in philadelphia alone, 12,000 in wisconsin this afternoon. donations poured in at an average of $3 million an hour right after tim walz was named to the ticket. as of today the harris/walz

campaign has raised $36 million and counting since he joined the ticket. but it's more than just numbers. there is something organic and infectious at the grassroots level that is happening. the party seemingly united and fired up and determined to win. just listen to this from a few minutes ago. >> i want to bring greetings from our incredible president joe biden. he loves wisconsin. he loves wisconsin. and i know we are all deeply grateful for his lifetime of service to our nation and for all he continues to do. that's right. [ crowd chanting "thank you,

joe." ] >> that's right. i'm going to tell him what you said. >> we hope he was watching that. the crowd spontaneously in an unscripted moment erupting in a chorus that grew louder and louder of "thank you, joe." while kamala harris and tim walz are injecting this much needed dose of joy into the race, the disgraced, twice impeached, four times indicted, found liable for sexual abuse and criminally convicted of 34 felony counts ex-president and his number two are offering something that is not that. while kamala harris and tim walz are lighting up battleground states with beyoncé playing and mega crowds in attendance, donald trump is hunkered down at mar-a-lago, off the campaign trail until friday, reverting to his old tricks, hurling

incoherent slurs and pile ups of insults. stuff like this, quote, mr. trump in a phone call this morning to fox and friends described ms. harris as a nasty person and her and mr. walz as communists. and maybe we shouldn't be surprised that donald trump's muscle memory is kicking in and he is reverting to his greatest hits of misogyny and divisiveness because in the past 24 hours with the addition of tim walz to the democratic ticket the earth one, earth two split screen of the choice now facing americans is impossible to ignore. as veteran democratic strategist now an adviser to the harris/walz campaign david plouffe put it this morning on "morning joe." >> tim walz is normal, mainstream, and happy. and j.d. vance is weird, extreme, and angry. and i really do think -- listen, policy matters a great amount. what you're going to do for the country from an issue standpoint

matters a great amount, but also that visual presentation i think of kamala harris and tim walz, as they love america, they love people, they know our better days are ahead and we can tackle these challenges and these other two folks in trump and vance are the angriest ticket in american political history. >> the angriest ticket in american political history. it's an incredible branding effort and some would argue it is also the lowest energy ticket in modern history. good luck beating this turbo charged, joyful and refreshingly normal opponent with what you are offering. it's where we start today with battleground states director for the harris/walz campaign dan canon. i know a little bit from my time on campaigns that you have one of the busiest jobs so we appreciate you taking time out to do this. i know it's usually delegated to the com staff so it's great to get to talk to you. tell me the plan. it feels like right now you have

a -- you have not pent up energy, you have sort of right out of the chute all of this energy, you have all of these people, you have more people than it seems like you have tickets for these events. how do you -- how do you sustain that? how do you deploy your two very popular candidates? >> it's a great question. i mean, i think the thing that i've been talking about this campaign since the beginning, nicolle, is that we're going to have seven very close states, more states we compete in certainly but seven that are true toss ups in this election and we've been building campaigns and an infrastructure in those states from the beginning, designed to win a close race, designed to mobilize voters, to have offices, to have a presence in community, to engage people, and that infrastructure has been built. so when the vice president was endorsed by the president a couple weeks ago, we already had that coming weekend 2,300 events planned in battleground states and so when that incredible enthusiasm came over, and it was huge and palpable and real, it had a place for it to go. it wasn't just a fire with newspaper, it was a fire built with some real sturdy logs to

keep the flame going and that's what we have to do is find a place for folks to come in, to continue to engage them, to have them bring in their own friends and neighbors and other volunteers and to create voter contact opportunities and make this a community event, something that they are part of. that was what we did in obama in '08 campaign, the '12 campaign and i think we're replicating that to a great degree now with this campaign. >> i want to talk to you about pennsylvania because i feel like something that people get wrong in the analysis, even the most generous analysis of the addition of governor walz to the ticket is that you would have just stationed josh shapiro in his home state if he had been tapped. he, too, would have been barnstorming the country and i wonder if you can sort of articulate how someone in your job deploys your candidate and your vice president. i mean, my understanding and i haven't done this for 20 years, but it's like -- like you know the county you go into how many people you need to reach, how many people you need to motivate, how many people you need to persuade, how many

people you need to convert. talk about how targeted this effort will be not just in pennsylvania but across those seven states. >> sure. i mean, look at wisconsin right here, we are in the blue wall today, you are in eau claire, a town of 71,000 people and a republican congressional district. western wisconsin, it's more rural than urban, obviously, but 12,000 people are out there today to watch kamala harris and tim walz have that positive vision that david plouffe mentioned. it is a voifl campaign that does get tough and have contrast where we need to, but you can run a political campaign that does find joy and connection with people. but it is, to your point, nicolle t has to be targeted, we have to go to the states that we know are on the pathway to 270. obviously michigan, wisconsin and of course pennsylvania as you mentioned, very important, but also georgia, north carolina and arizona and nevada. and within all of those states there are different issues that matter locally and the teams we've built on the ground, you know, more than 260 offices in all of those states, more than

1,400 staff in all of those states, there's the principal travel that you're seeing right now which is obviously where a lot of the spotlight goes, but with all of those events i mentioned earlier, with surrogates, local validators, neighbors and volunteers doing voter contact, you have a presence everywhere you need to and you can establish messages and community events that are focused and authentic to the kind of conversation happening in those communities. >> the youth vote was for my old party sort of a mirage, it's a really real thing for your party. so the plan of exciting them and motivating it is probably -- probably 40% and then turning them out to vote, making sure if they're going off to college they're registered and they're able to do that, probably the other 60% and correct me if i have any of that wrong. but this seems like explosive really almost historic -- i'm sure you're looking back at '08 for the right comparisons of excitement in a part of the vote that you can't manufacture.

i mean, the youth vote is either there for you or it's really, really hard and it is clearly there for vice president harris and for governor walz. tell me the plan and tell me how much attention and focus is on turning them out as voters. >> yeah, i mean, there is a great youth program here that we run on the campaign that engages folks and has throughout the campaign, but as we head into the fall, as you mentioned, nicolle, with the college campuses coming back online it's another great opportunity to have a shot in the arm. the thing i will say about young voters and they are not just college kids, they're voters under 30 who maybe are starting a family, trying to start a family or worried about the key issues that the rest of america faces, they do care about issues. they care about climate change, care about cost, care about having safe communities, they care about gun violence prevention. they care about the things that this campaign believes in and talks about all the time and to david plouffe's point they don't want a campaign that is den grading america itself,

denigrating the people in america and being mean. they want a campaign to feel a part of something. i think we've create that with this ticket and the momentum. we need all of that because despite the enthusiasm and it's wonderful, it's great, it's palpable, the races are still going to be very, very close. there's political gravity in this country that we have to recognize. all of this to me is additive to our path to victory but doesn't predict the path to victory. we have to do the hard work and mobilize folks to win these tight races across all the battle grounds. >> i heard vice president harris describe herself as the underdog. i know that's always music to the ears of folks in your job, you have to always run as an underdog if the polls shift, even more so so that people aren't complacent. what are sort of the three things that keep you up at night for the next 90 days? >> well, i think we have to keep growing and scaling as we have to give people a place to activate that enthusiasm and energy in this campaign and talk

to folks. we know the trump campaign will try some things, we know what they did in 2020 by refusing to accept the result of the election, we know they will have an effort to make it harder for folks to vote. we have a big and strong voter protection team that thinks about barriers that will get put up in front of people. so we are prepared nor that. but i think truthfully the biggest challenge is going to be to harness all of this and turn it into something that is targeted to the voters we need to win to keep people focused and to recognize that the election is going to be difficult and tough and that we're having a wonderful moment now, but we know it's going to be a difficult slog throughout. that's just how elections in america are today. i think we have the team that is very battle tested, we've been battle tested all winter, spring, summer and heading into the fall and i think with the plan and with the enthusiasm and with the ticket that can resonate with america we feel strong about our chances. >> are you liking this contrast that is setting up really

seemingly organically, i think at one of vice president harris' first events it was a crowd that started chanting back at her, we are not going back, not going back. every campaign grabs for the future, and your supporters seem to have grabbed for it with you. i mean, how much are you sort of reading -- reading your crowds and working that into the messaging? >> you absolutely do that and not just the crowds themselves, nicolle, but every night we get a qualitative and a quantitate testify report on the millions of voter contacts we're having at the doors. so we know what people are talking about in real community, not just the rallies, but talking about in their neighborhoods. we know they care about lowering cost and like the efforts that we are engaging in. the vice president said it herself in atlanta that on day one we're tackling big pharma, corporate price gouging, tackling corporate rent hikes. those are things folks want to hear about. they also hear about two jekt 2025 and it concerns them. they don't want to go back to a place that donald trump wants to take them. that's that we're not going back

chant comes from. partly organic at the doors as much as organic in these rallies. we do take that stuff in. that feedback and what we see in these enthusiastic moments feeds into our thinking of how we can further connect with the voters. >> how big of an issue for you is the fight for reproductive rights and specifically governor walz's position? i know everyone is now going to the archives and trying to figure out when they last saw the vice president and governor walz together and we had footage of the two of them at an abortion rights event in minnesota shortly after dobbs was overturned. how much is that issue interwoven into all of your outreach? >> it's obviously a very big issue in our campaign and in america right now and i think it's undeniable that in 2022 and in the off year elections in 2023 and by the way, nicolle, not just in blue states but in kentucky and ohio and some of those virginia legislative races this past fall, that issue

propelled democrats to the polls, it shifted independents and republicans to vote for democrats in those elections. it's an incredibly important issue that resonates certainly not just with women and not just with democrats, but with republican women, with independent men and i think the way that governor walz talks about this issue with a real personal and authentic story with his own daughter hope and the challenges they had with ivf, he, i think, gives people another example of how this issue is broad and is not just about a narrow segment of the population but about both rights and freedoms but health care more broadly. it resonates, it's been effective with him. it's obviously something the vice president has talked about with great effect on the campaign trail all year and the two of them together i think make a more compelling messaging duo on that front. >> dan, i appreciate your time. keep coming back and keep us smart and conest and focused on the right things as you know

where the race is really being waged. an open invitation to join us. >> thank you, nicolle. >> thanks. joining our conversation reporter for notus a nonprofit washington publication jasmine wright and professor at princeton university our fred eddie glaude is here. jasmine, this is a campaign firing on all cylinders and i say that as someone who has worked on campaigns that have fired on all cylinders and campaigns that have faltered on all cylinders. it isn't always like that, right, an outside event could change that at any moment, a challenging news cycle. it's not a foregone conclusion that this will always be the state of this campaign, but this is not -- i keep saying this because i've tried, right -- this cannot be manufactured, you don't go to a candidate lab and find someone like tim walds and trot him out. this is so far a very

well-executed campaign. >> yeah, i mean, i think what you're seeing is an extended honeymoon far beyond maybe what people even inside the campaign expected to happen. this real lengthy, long-lasting momentum that's riding them at least somewhat close to the democratic national convention where we know that they could even see an additional boost. so this is something that they are excited about. i think when i talked to folks within the campaign they are trying to be clear-eyed about understanding exactly what you said, that it may not always feel like that. i think that we saw dan really speak to that issue. but they are trying to capitalize as much as they can both digitally, socially, obviously all the money that's raking in, i think $36 million has come in for the campaign since they announced tim walz as her running mate, trying to create these organic moments like all those video calls we saw with black women, white women, white men, latino women,

making sure that people feel really involved in the vice president's success. so those are all the things that they're leaning on, but of course they recognize that harder times will come as they get closer to november. they're trying to also prepare for that. >> and i think, eddie, that's apparent in their messaging. there's joy and a strategy sent to this dire warning. here is vice president kamala harris talking about how -- warning about what trump would do, how he would like to terminate the constitution if he's reelected. let me show that to you. >> someone who suggests we should terminate the constitution of the united states should never again have a chance to stand behind the seal of the president of the united states. >> it's important, i think, to lift that moment up because this isn't -- i mean, i love all the comparisons to, you know, ted

lasso and happy warriors, but this is a campaign with an edge and a point of view. >> oh, absolutely. they're clear about the threat to our democracy. and as the campaign continues we see that that criticism is becoming all the more poignant and really directed. i think it's necessary. but it's happening within the context of the contrast, nicolle, between infectious hope and fevered cynicism. between inspiration and aspiration and fire and brimstone, doom. there is a sense in which you can bring that critique to bear without participating within the ominous cloud that shadows our politics. one of the things i've been loving since the campaign started is just to hear your laugh, your infectious laugh. all the stuff that you've been reporting about. think about the stuff that you had to go through through the pandemic. think about the stuff you had to talk about from, what, mar-a-lago to the civil trial to -- i mean, all the things --

to jan 6, all the things we've been talking about all of these years and finally we are actually thinking about the future of the country. there is a pointed criticism here, that's true, and it has to happen because democracy is still under threat, but there's also this aspirational element that actually refreshing it seems to me. >> nicolle -- >> go ahead. go ahead. >> i think eddie makes a great point because that is why you're seeing them use the word "freedom" over and over again, not because it's distinct from biden's message of democracy because they feel it's optimistic, this he feel that more people can connect with it and that it applies to more things, not just reproductive rights, but the people -- people's freedoms for economic liberty, people's freedoms to be able to live their lives as they want. i think that notion of freedom that we've seen the vice president talk about, that we've seen now governor walz talk about is connected to wanting to take a more optimistic approach

to that contrast to former president donald trump. >> and it's something that josh shapiro and gretchen whitmer did with great sort of messaging success and electoral success in 2022 and it is this language of this ticket that is for the same ideas and ideals, but it is being injected with a little bit more levity and future. we have so much more to do. i love, eddie glaude, that you said that i laugh. john heilemann and i talked for an hour and a half last night for his podcast and i said i don't think we've laughed this much about politics in about eight years. we will have more on all of that. i do have to sneak in a quick break. when we all come back we will have more on this new democratic ticket, their big barnstorming tour of the battleground states, plus brand-new reporting reveals the depths of j.d. vance's ties to the swamps of the far right wing, including months of text messages exchanged with a

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fighting for a brighter future may be hard work, hard work is good work. hard work is good work. trump likes to think of himself as this master brander, but after the maga hat he has had a lot of flops and this joyful warrior, happy warrior thing has stuck, eddie, and it feels like everything they do fits under that umbrella, and even the sharp attacks, and they are -- they are pointed in their critiques of this ticket, they do seem to be delivering them to bigger, louder, incredibly enthusiastic crowds, and based on sort of the data-driven analytics and strategy of this campaign it all seems very, very strategic. >> oh, absolutely. it was wonderful to hear in the first segment all about the

details of the blocking and tackling, the get out the vote, the operation on the ground. it actually gives us a sense that there are skeletons to all of this, an infrastructure to all of this. that's great. i think this is connected to what i said before the break, people desperately need this. we need this joy. right? this is different from 2008 with obama, this is different from 1980 with reagan and it is different because of what we've been through. we are carrying our dead forward. we are carrying our exhaustion, our exasperation forward. there is distrust towards government, politicians and even towards each other that has animated our lives for years now. so the idea to have a moment where you can actually exhale and not just simply exhale but laugh. where politics is not a sight for darkness but a sight for possibility, this is actually needed. that's why it's so fragile.

it seems like -- how can i put it -- like the joy is -- you know, like that laughter that just comes out because you're trying not to cry. so i think they've tapped into this in a way that's really important existentially for a country, for a culture that's in desperate need to see a brighter tomorrow it seems to me. >> i think this is exactly right. and i don't really know why we don't talk about it anymore, but the country went through this unprocessed trauma with covid, the biggest loss of life in the shortest amount of time. everyone knows somebody who was lost and we've just sort of memory hold it. the idea that on top of that was all this political trauma, a deadly insurrection, the first ever nonpeaceful transfer of power, they do make it safe to be hopeful again and they do it with their own acts of kindness. i'm going to play this because of what you just said. this is governor walz speaking

and he notices that someone in the crowd needs some medical attention and he stops. let me show this. >> look, freedom is -- freedom -- oh, can we get somebody to help? somebody is hot. somebody is hot. can we get somebody to help? are you okay? take care of one another on this. this is why we gather. look, it's hot. it is hot. i will come again. they have folks here, we will make sure we're okay. but i have to tell you all again, in all seriousness, to come and gather like this, to talk about our freedoms, the ability to talk about what could be good and i have to say this idea of caring for our neighbor in kindness and a hand up when somebody needs it or just the sense that people go through things and to be able to be there when they need t that's

who we are. >> i mean, jasmine, to eddie's point this is sort of creating a permission structure for -- you know, to hope for something better again. that feels like the thing that not just the democrats but a whole bunch of people have been thirsty for. >> nicolle, it's actually interesting because i was with vice president harris, i traveled with her as she saw the democratic nomination until she dropped out and she talked about herself as a joyful warrior, as a happy warrior, but it didn't resonate enough with the democratic electorate because of some other messaging mishaps in 2019 but because i think in a large way that the country wasn't there, they weren't willing to receive it in the same way that clearly the country and the democratic electorate is now. so you see that messaging that wasn't necessarily successful in 2019. people maybe didn't feel like it was her most authentic self at that time, really resonating with people right now, really

resonating and bringing all of these major crowds together. i mean, just at that rally in eau claire today, 12,000 people. i was in philadelphia yesterday, 12,000 people, 2,000 more in overflow. i was in milwaukee just last week and it was 3,000 to 4,000 people. i think that you're right, they are really trying to at least create a permission structure for people to engage in a happier place in politics and a happier version, i think, of what people have experienced over the last few years certainly now the vice president taking that on as her own mantra in a way she did in 2019 that maybe didn't work as well. >> i mean, eddie, it's the mantra and then you can see where governor walz fits in. i mean, his levity, his ability to sort of ad-lib a sharp one-liner and say, oh, you see what i did there? he uses this language of shrinking trump down to size so

that he can be taken on for what he presents. i think some of us -- and i will plead guilty to this -- because of how horribly anti-democratic the policies are in the project 2025 agenda, which is in decipherable from the trump campaign and a possible trump term, it is this -- you know, you can -- if you had to write a sound track it would be the scariest music from the scariest horror movie. but he just punctures it and turns it into -- you know, brings it down to size to make it easier to sort of bite off and chew it. >> yeah, you know, sometimes we read folksiness as a nay eve day but that's not true. i come from a small town as well and country folk are very, very clear eyed. they are not naive about the world because they are working hard to make ends meet. they understand t they are no nonsense but there's joy in the midst of it.

when we think about governor walz there is an emphasis on the coalition of the decent. those people who are not defined by ideology, nicolle, one day they may sound conservative, the next day they may sound progressive, the other day they might be libertarian, they're just trying to live their values. on the other side you have folk to take our differences and make them into hard divisions and those divisions obscure the values that we all share. what we saw with governor walz at that moment was genuine concern and care rooted in a basic notion that you and i know about and that's the common good. where has that gone? so i think a campaign that lays out the stakes and also stands on the values, right, breaks through all this have nonsense and it opens up our imaginations so that we can maybe think about our politics differently. >> yeah. i think all of that is so true. jasmine and eddie, thank you so much for having this conversation with us today. very much to be continued. coming up for us, a book by

far right extremist that actually celebrates joseph mccarthy and dictators around the world gets praise from the republican nominee for vice president. we will bring you that reporting next. president. we will bring you that reporting next so i smell great all day, all hike, and all night. secret whole body deodorant.

it's like, yeah, okay, this person believes crazy things but i bet if you're being honest with yourself every single person in this room believes at least something that's a little crazy, right? the most important truths often

come from people who are crazy 60% of the time but they're right 40% of the time. believe in crazy things is not the mark of whether somebody should be rejected. if you ever wonder why he's the most unpopular vice presidential pick in history think about the things he's explaining. he's defending the right to believe crazy things. that was gop vice presidential nominee j.d. vance who is to be generous about it tolerant of conspiracy theories and conspiracy theorists. he has even admitted to being plugged into a lot of weird right wing opinions. now we have learned he wrote an endorsement blurb for an activate that momented a pizza gate theory that a child trafficking ring was being run out of a pizza place in washington, d.c. according to reporting in the "washington post" messages between j.d. vance and a right

wing conspiracy blogger reveal his gravitational and pursuit of the political fringe. they reveal a sitting united states senator, vance, potential vice presidential nominee seeking out their opinions on everything from u.s. alliances to ufos to aid for ukraine to his own friendships. vance and the blogger have remained in according to the reports for a week and a half extending into the weeks that president trump picked j.d. vance to his running mate. vance solicited johnson's views on topics including ufos asking, quote, what is your read? the republican party's relationship with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu, quote, what is gop bibi problem and the death of jeffrey epstein, quote, do you think epstein actually killed himself he asked. when johnson suggested that the senator should work to restrict

foreign ownership of u.s. housing, vance responded with a thumbs up emoji. joining us coverage vaughn hillyard and contributor to the atlantic, president and executive director of the anti-psycho path pac, which is like peak 2024, right, george conway is here with us. george conway, let's start with that. i think of you every time i see these beyond capacity crowds for kamala harris and now kamala harris and tim walz. what do you imagine the trump version of ketchup on the wall is when he sees these images compared to his crowds? >> oh, i have no idea. i mean, he's -- we'll probably find out at 2:00 in the morning if we're still up monitoring truth social. i mean, he can't be liking this. this is -- this is his -- this is his idea that crowd size matters all and it's all about his ego from his standpoint and now he can't fill the very same

venues that kamala harris has been filling, one in atlanta, the one yesterday at temple university in philadelphia. i mean, when you contrast the enthusiasm and the people filled to the rafters at kamala harris' rallies as opposed to donald trump's, i mean, it's quite a comparison. and i think it really just shows -- i think there's just the harris campaign is a breath of fresh air and i think that professor glaude is right that what he just said a few minutes ago about there's going to be a coalition of the decent. there's a coalition of the decent, also a coalition of the normal and what we're seeing from j.d. vance is not normal and not decent. >> i think that's indisputable at this point and i want to ask you, vaughan, about this reporting and about mrs. vance's effort to clean this up. in the "new york times" michelle goldberg writes this, vance

blurbed a new book unhumans, that leftists don't deserve the status of human beings, that they are as the title says unhumans and that they are waging a shadow war against all that is good and decent which will end in apocalyptic slaut from they are not stopped. in the past communists marched in the streets waving red flags, today they march through hr, college campuses, and a courtrooms to wage war against good and decent people. this is not a position they are backing away from. this is usha vance defending j.d. vance's smear against childless cat openers. >> i think nicolle -- >> j.d. absolutely at the time and today would never ever, ever want to say something to hurt someone who was trying to have a family, who really, you know, was struggling with that. i also understand already a lot of other reasons why people may choose not to have families and many of those reasons are very good. i think what i would say is let's try to look at the real conversation that he's trying to

have and engage with it and understand for those of us who do have families, for the many of us who want to have families and for whom its really hard, what can we do to make it better. >> what's amazing is you walk through life and you have no idea what anyone is struggling with. you have no idea which people without children are, i guess, in her words, struggling and trying and which people have decided not to. and the divisiveness, the doubling down on the divisiveness is as bad as the original divisive comments, vaughan. >> and i think that there is a lot of people, if i may, like the pizza gate person who is very, very fringe in 2016 when he was first elevating these wild conspiracy theories and over the course of the last eight years they have been legitimized by now here in the year of 2024 the vice presidential candidate for the republican party. i mean, it was more than just

pizza gate. i follow a lot of his work, he has a large presence on a right wing outlet that is in the form of a podcast but also airs on tv and just earlier this year he was at cpac. i want to read, folks, this was his quotes about january 6. welcome to the end of democracy. we are here to overthrow it completely. we didn't get all the way there on january 6, but we will endeavor to get rid of it. after we burn that swamp to the ground we will establish the new american republic on its ashes. in our first order of business will be righteous retribution for those that betrayed america. that is the man who j.d. vance just burr bd. when you were playing that of j.d. vance justifying his association with some of the these individuals it took me back to may of 2022 when i was on the campaign trail with j.d. vance in ohio during that republican primary that donald trump backed him in and he was campaigning at the time with marjorie taylor greene but also with charlie kirk and that very

week charlie kirk posted online that there is a war on white people in america. and i asked j.d. vance at the time why with charlie kirk standing there next to him, why he would associate and lift somebody up who uses that sort of rhetoric about america. and his quote to me was by having friends you assume i have every single viewpoint that those people have. that's ridiculous. i'm bringing charlie here because i think he is a great warrior for the conservative movement and because we agree on most things. we don't agree on everything. charlie kirk, these are folks i've been long familiar with but were more on the outside, the fringe. these are people who are now key allies to the republican ticket here in the year of 2024. >> vaughan, they add no one to the trump coalition. why are they front and center with 90 days to go? >> i think it is the base that they are relying on at this point. before steve bannon went to jail, right, he made the case that the republican party under donald trump had one option, you have a better chance with donald trump knowing who he is of winning back over those reticent

conservatives or independents in the suburbs of phoenix and atlanta and milwaukee or do you play to your base and try to juice out those numbers and play to the people across the country who are listening to jack besobec and listening to charlie kirk and do you try to juice those numbers? donald trump assay little bit more subtle in tenor for one week during the republican national convention but donald trump is going to be donald trump here and there is a concerted decision made in the decision to have j.d. vance on his side and the messaging that clearly they are deploying here with just 90 days left. >> george conway, i think there's something magnificently transparent with associating themselves with these extremists in public and not hiding them in the dark pockets of the internet, but i do wonder who buried the memo that all of the defeats that trump has suffered in 2018, in 2020, and in 2022 were not because he was too

appealing to swing voters, it was because he was too extreme. and all of the losing that chris christie talked about in his primary campaign against donald trump encapsulated the problem with these associations. what is the explanation for continuing to do the thing that results in the losing? >> i think the explanation is that it's something of a disease. it's pathological. i mean, you have a psychopathic, authoritarian type of leader and now all of the lines that used to not -- you couldn't cross about saying things about race and gender and ethnicity and conspiracy theories, all of these lines have now been crossed. i mean, you have that besobec guy, you have lora loomer being pushed by donald trump, you have people like marjorie taylor greene in congress, you have all of these -- there is no normality left in the republican party. they are driving the normals out

and as a result they have their own distorted view of the world and they know they're losing, which is why they're more and more desperate and becoming more and more unhinged and talking more about destroying the country than they are about actually working together with people. it's classic authoritarian fascist movement kind of thing where they divide them, they isolate themselves and they basically say -- cultish really -- and they say basically everyone who is not in our group is evil and dangerous and in this case the word was subhuman. >> it's really unbelievable that it's all unfolding before our eyes. so much more to get to. no one is going anywhere. we have to sneak? a very short break. we will all be right back. break we will all be right back. a volkswagen at the savvy vw summer sales event. 2024 volkswagen models cost less to maintain than honda. get 0.9% apr financing or a $3500 customer bonus on a new 2024 atlas or atlas cross sport.

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well, i smile a lot of things including bogus questions from the media, man. if you watch a full speech that i give, i actually am having a good time here. i'm enjoying this. sometimes you got to take the good with the bad. and right now, i am angry. >> he was happy before he was angry. i think they call that a flip-flop in old-fashioned politics. has he had one good news cycle yet? did i miss it? >> i think i go back to our conversation that you and i had the day the convention when j.d. vance was selected. my surprise when you looked at

him in contrast to mike pence. mike pence understood the assignment of being donald trump's running mate. that was to not make headlines. that was to to help explain away things donald trump said. instead over the last two weeks, it's been donald trump who has largely been explaining away things jd vance has said about childless cat ladies, whether or not they are weird or not. over the last two week, the ohio senator has put the man at the top of the ticket in the precarious situation. clearly, he's trying to help this ticket by going and following around the harris/walz ticket at these media press events with a few dozen supporters in michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania. >> what is he doing there? i saw him wondering around an airport and going to a police station. what -- it looks weird to me, but in his head, what is he trying to do? >> he's trying to provide

counterprogramming and a counternarrative to these local stations. you see thousands of people showing up for the democratic rally, and he's not holding his own rally, but he is taking press questions. at least allowing that in the donald trump counternarrative to get out into the sphere because donald trump has been at mar-a-lago for the entire week with noment campaign events. he will not be on the trail until friday night. >> why? >> that's a very good question. i think that this is a campaign that's figuring out where its message the is at. i don't think that's a reason why donald trump is not on the campaign trail, but where you hear kamala harris and tim walz talking about policies, i think that this is on the counter a republican ticket that is really flying with the new narrative by day. last week it was questioning the race, ethnicity of kamala harris. monday it was calling attention

to the idea there was a kamala crash in the stock market, which is not played out to the same effect over the last 48 hours. so really this is a campaign that is come and gone with its republican convention here, but it's sort of waiting for the democrats this month here, who are very much in control of the narrative and the conversation with the introducing of not only the top of the ticket but a new vice presidential candidate, and now a convention two weeks away. this is a decision by the trump team as to where they are going to expend their resources, and it maybe worth sitting on the sidelines and a little more tell nl they get to september. >> george conway, right now, kamala harris is everything that trump wants to be. she's getting sellout crowds filled to the rafters. she has all of the attention. i interviewed fred trump, donald trump's nephew. he said the nine days after she became the nominee were probably the worst days of trump's life.

do you agree with that assessment? do you believe this deprivation of attention is eating at him? >> it's a combination of the deprivation of attention, the fact that she's getting the applause and the praise that he desperately wants to have. and also from his standpoint, not only is he losing the battle every day and not only does he not know how to deal with this woman, who is really set off a celebration of normality, he realizes he's that much closer to going to jail because that's the reason why he's fundally running here. he wants to run to stay out of jail. and every day that he doesn't figure out how to respond, which includes this week, going to montana, how many electoral votes are there? he's one day closer to going to jail. that's got to be scaring the living daylights out of him.

i'm sure one of the reasons they don't have him on the trail this week is it's going to be embarrassing to watch him up against kamala harris and to match the enthusiasm. so they have jd vance weirdly following vice president harris around. he was wondering around toward her plane to check the plane out. it was weird stuff. weird stuff. it just shows they are completely lost at mar-a-lago. >> this is jd vance in front of not his plane. someone else's plane. for trump, a guy so obsessed with john bolton's mustache, this is not his plane. i wish i could listen to the secret service traffic. not a stalker, just the republican vice presidential nominee. not a stalker, i repeat. amazing to talk to both of you today. thank you so much for spending time with us. after a quick break, why a new rule that givings local

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opening act for the harris/walz announcement speech. that was the mega talented josh schapiro, governor of pennsylvania. it's 5:00 in the east. the threat of that right that talking about there being taken away from american voters was delivered a win yesterday in the important battleground state of georgia. the election board approved a new rule having to do with republicans' latest attacks on our democracy, on our election systems. the certification process. the rule establishes new criteria for confirming election results in the state of georgia. the certifying happens, quote, after reasonable inquiry that the tabulation and canvassing of the election are complete and accurate and that the results are a true and acurate accounting of all votes cast in that election. "the new york times" explains what that actually means. quote, through seemingly

innocuous, the language implies that local election officials are awarded a level of discretion in the certification process, a suggestion that runs counter to decades of settled georgia law, delineating how results are officially certified. state law dictates that officials shall certify an election making the process effectively ministerial. disputes over fraud or major errors are left to recounts in courts. now attacks on certifying election results have intensified since the 2020 election, and it's clear the ex-president is gearing up to have certification questions play a major role this time around. over the weekend, donald trump called out the three republicans on the georgia state election board by name who ended up vote ing for this new rule. >> i don't know if you heard, but the georgia state election board is in a very positive way, this is a very positive thing. they are on fire. they are doing a great job.

three members. janis johnson, rick jeffries and janelle king, three people. are all pit bulls fighting for honesty and victory. they are fighting. >> fighting who? fighting for what? entire state election is administered by republicans at the state level. so again, why is he calling them out and what is he talking about? what that are they fighting against were georgia passed the voter integrity law in 2021 despite the findings that there was no widespread voter fraud in the state of georgia during the 2020 election. that joe biden had legitimately won. they did three counts. so shouldn't they be bragging about the security and supremacy of their system? this fight isn't limited to

georgia. this maybe the ball game for donald trump this time. reporting in rolling stone identified 70 pro-trump election conspiracy theorists in several swing states currently working as county election official who is questioned the validity of elections or delayed or refused to certify results. according to the nonpartisan group since the 2020 election, members of state and local boards have voted against certification more than 20 times across 8 states. our friend mark alliance side, republicans are building an election subversion war machine. protecting ourselves from that machine is where we begin the hour. the voting rights attorney, founder of the site mark elias is back. and "new york times" reporter who has been reporting on this for years and specifically in a big piece in the last couple

weeks, nick needy is back. i have said this multiple times, but i think you put the goings on in georgia on the radar for us with your reporting there. tell me what this board does to aid trump. he's calling them out in his rallies. >> what they did yesterday is something that trump and his allies have been trying to do across the country. that's take the process of election certification, as you mentioned, is something that's always been ministerial. what that means is it's basically automatic. the law says shall, which means you must take election results. you go through the normal process of checking them that you normally would and certify them and pass them on. these county officials are not empowered by these ministerial duties to conduct their own investigations or insert their own opinions on the validity of

these elections, but a lot of trump allies have been trying to do this across the country, as i reported a few weeks ago, with the college but they haven't been successful. they have been trying to do this through courts. that hasn't gone anywhere. they have been trying to do this through having local officials refuse to certify and see if that gets them some precedent through a challenge. that hasn't worked either. so what the state board of election did in georgia yesterday was give that argument its first sense of validity. they are able to establish rules that local county officials all throughout georgia are supposed to follow. they are not meant to be a law-making board. so it's highly possible ha they did yesterday is illegal and will be met with legal challenges, perhaps by some of the people also on this panel, but they gave an opening to this idea that certification is discretionary the at the local level. and what that could do if we

were to rewind the clock four years ago when former president trump was trying to overturn his loss in 2020 and was calling election officials in wayne county, michigan, saying please don't certify, we were in an unknown about what that mean. so they are trying to bring this back in an effort that to possibly short circuit a loss or anything like that, bring this question of certification into the realm of uncertainty. that's what the georgia state board of elections did yesterday. >> i want to read what you wrote, but for trump who is so obsessed with the size of his wins and wearing a super hero shirt when he survives covid, it feels like this massive telegraphing that he knows he's going to lose.

talk about the tactic and what it telegraphs. >> donald trump lost in 2016. every time someone would say donald trump won in 2016 and this is because of the american people. no he won in 2016 because of the electoral college. in 2020 he lost the popular vote by 7 million votes. he and the republicans are running out of runway. they are running out of ways to count on the electoral college and a bunch of other structural advantages that they have to counteract the fact that more americans want to vote for kamala harris than want to vote for him. so what they are left with is two things. number one, making it harder to vote, making voter suppression. and then the second, which you and i have been talking about for years now. it feels shorter, but it's been for years. they want to be able to cheat after the election. so they want to make it harder to vote. and the way they are going to cheat, the way they tried to cheat in 2020 when i litigated against them and beat donald trump and his allies 60 times in

court, the way they tied to cheat is through what ballots get counted and what ballots don't get counted. there's no better way to do that than through the certification process, which nick pointed out, they tried to do in 2020 in wayne county, michigan. in 2022, they tried it again. they tried it in arizona. we sued a county in pennsylvania because they wouldn't certify the election results. we were able to win those lawsuits because this is a ministerial act. this is a ceremonial function. this is not an opportunity for these people to conduct their own independent investigations. and what it says about donald trump is that he knows he's going to lose the popular vote. he knows he's probably going to lose the election if it's free and fair, but he doesn't care. he revels in the fact that he is an authoritarian. he admires dictators. and he's willing to do, and he's built a campaign and a party

that is willing to literally do anything. if they are willing to storm the capitol to prevent certification on january 6th, what do you think they would do in a county in georgia? >> what is the protection against that, mark? >> i think it's a few things. it's the great work that nick and you and others in the media do that call attention to this. it's one of the reasons why we have written on this topic. it's important for people to know this is going on. for some of these elected officials or appointed officials, they have to live in these communities. they have to look at their neighbors. it's harder for them to do that if what they are doing is public rather than in the darkness of night. the second thing is that there's a big obligation here for the legal establishment. lawyers, like me, lawyers like at protects democracy have a big obligation here. every lawyer who swears an oath to the law and the constitution

has an obligation to fight against this kind of activity. and then finally, we talk a lot about the fact that republicans run georgia and periodically they get praise, but where's brian kemp? how about they bring a lawsuit? how about brian kemp brings a lawsuit to prevent this from happening? where are they? >> where do you think they are? i saw them engage trump a little bit on twitter, wherever they post. and they seem to be willing to defend the integrity of the election system to a degree, but going on offense legally doesn't seem possible. i don't know. is that too cynical? >> here's the key in our way out of this. this is a serious threat. it is a continuation of the strategy where he puts pressure and gives encouragement to

people to obstruct,edly or block certification of his opponents winning elections. that's very straight forward. but when it comes to these certiication duties, the answer is very simple. it's against the law, it's not consistent with state and federal laws for these officials to grant power among themselves to insert themselves into the process in this way. it's a little confusing. that word keeps getting thrown around. so what does that mean? if you're a local election official, what does it mean to have an obligation to certify an election. the way i think about it, there are scorekeepers at a football game. they are sitting in the box tallying the score, and when the game is over, they look at the results, they write it down and everyone agrees that is who won and lost the game. what you are seeing with these efforts here are these election officials trying to become players in the game. referees in the game.

that is what is outside of their jurisdiction. when it comes to somebody like governor kemp or brad raffensperger, all they have to do is stay consistent. i would say, you dutifully certified the results against this pressure campaign in the 2020 election, so be consistent. we just need people to be consistent. we have been tracking this since 2020. there's an uptick in it, but the important thing to remember is that it is not successful because it is inconsistent with the law. it's very important to pay attention to it because these maneuvers do provide a big soap box for conspiracy theorists to spread these things. so if we can make it clear these strategies are not successful, because this is not part of the job and you will be challenged in court and you will lose up front, that's very helpful. >> let me just sort of push back a little bit. that doesn't seem to be the point to do what is legal. where it intersects with violence seems to be the point.

january 6th wasn't about necessarily being successful. pence was like this is where i draw the line. i'm not doing it. but the delay was the point. and trump was successful in delaying the certification. what do you do about successful delays even if ultimately there are legal defeats? >> the delays are the big problem. because even just inserting themselves in the process in georgia, they have to get past that special december deadline where the states are required to submit their results. i think it's very instructive to do outreach to these local officials so that they know clearly what their jobs actually are. if you look at the accountability that has been enacted since january 6th, we understand it maybe unfair that donald trump isn't getting the accountability that he needs, but lots and lots of lerks deniesers down the line have been suffering the consequences for these unlawful actions. >> has this worked anywhere? >> not really.

most of the times it's failed. mark mentioned earlier, it did take it to a place where we were a little untender before a court had to come in and say, no, you must certify. so it hasn't really been successful in stopping the election. what it has been successful in is perpetuating doubt, eroding confidence, and creating the kind of atmosphere that those who wish to overturn elections or undermine the losses, this is very successful in that. what they are always looking for is any sense or appearance of legitimacy to a lot of these claims, a lot of these false claims. so having an affidavit or having election officials say i'm not going to certify this, this gives some legitimacy to these arguments that sometimes the political arena can be just as important. when we look at congress, which congressman votes up or down on a january 6th, a certain

election slate. that's where this could come into play too. while they haven't been successful in halting certification anywhere yet in those 20 times we mentioned, and often times they are voting in the minority. they have successfully contributed to the undermining of faith and understanding in our electoral process. >> vaughn hillyard and the rev have reminded me over the last couple days that for trump, this campaign is about staying out of jail. so like a hurricane season storm that goes out to sea and sometimes gathers strength and comes back in, i think what the harris campaign seems to be in a posture of vice president harris described herself as the underdog, they are ready for an on slot of aggressive

campaigning from the trump side. even though he appears to have none of the momentum today, there seems to be a lot of clarity that he could regain some strength and come back. if this is another close election that comes down to a handful of votes in a few states, what is trump doing? why is trump calling out election board members? what is their plan? what does that look like? >> i think that their plan is really straight forward. if you have a very close election, there are opportunities for the scoreboard keeper to decide how quickly they want to put numbers up on the board, how slowly, whether they want to wait to see if the ref see it is a different way. ultimately get them to put up the wrong score. so they are seating not just the

certification boards. they are seating the front line workers, the people at the polls, the people at the county offices, the people processing absentee ballots. this is a campaign that has been built on how to spoil apples by the bushel. and that is what they are trying to do. they are trying to put election deniers from polling place to secretary of state and everything in between. so when we celebrate that they weren't able to put an election denier in the secretary of state's office in nevada or arizona, we are not necessarily seeing what did they do at the county level. then what did they do at the sub county level, what did they do at the municipal level. their hope is by placing enough election deniers in the process, they can in a close election sway the outcome. but the fact is that in a

presidential election, there are a lot of people watching what they are going to be up to. i think the hairs campaign minute watching. >> their battleground director talked about how closely knitted up the political operation with the legal, which is just such a sign of the times. none of you are going anywhere. when we come back, why a grand jury investigating donald trump's efforts to steal the 2020 presidential election in arizona came this close to indicting the disgraced ex-president, but ultimately held off on doing so. we'll bring that to you next. plus how tim walz followed years in the national guard with we'll take a closer look at the record of vice president harris' pick to be her vice president. and brand new reporting about a terror plot that's led to the cancellation of three concerts by superstar taylor swift. "deadline: white house" continues after a quick break.

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been ground seethe roar zero about efforts to overturn the 2020 election based on that lie. it turns out that donald trump was even close to facing criminal charges himself in that state. the new court filing this week reveals that members of a grand jury there that charged 18 of trump's allies for their roles in trying to overturn the 2020 election apparently also expressed interest in indicting the ex-president himself. according to reporting in "the new york times," the interest in indicting trump was so strong

that, quote, some of the grand jurors appeared to be upset when the prosecutor suggested they not. they even prompted the lead state prosecutor to give a power point presentation requesting the jurors to not indict trump. part of the reasoning was apparently a lack of evidence. since at the time of the arizona indictment, trump was already facing federal charges on his attempts to overturn the 2020 election by jack smith. the times says, prosecutors recommended that trump should not be charges, citing a justice department policy that discourages bringing state and federal cases against the same defendant that are largely based on similar facts. we're back with our panel. nick, it's just amazing how the window has moved so far that nobody denies trump did it and nobody denies he's criminally liable for doing it that even on the trump side, it comes down to technical legal arguments. >> exactly. this actually follows a trend

that we have seen that i wrote about that prosecutors are really strugging with how to bring criminal charges against a lot of the 2020 election subversion attempts. mainly because there's no real criminal law statute that's ever been created to deal with something like this. obviously, we have the more significant charges like sedition, but what happened in 2020 was so new that basically there's a loft criminal law that hasn't caught up with it. if you look back to the supreme court's ruling that threw out 350 charges against january 6th intruders because they use the obstruction charge wrong, there was a case in michigan earlier this year where a poll worker took his own usb drive, plugged it in, copied data and left. and and was charged with tampering with the machine. the charges were thrown out because he didn't alter any of the data. that was the law that was on the

books. so we know what happens with the prosecutors and president trump in arizona is something that's been kind of confounding the justice system for the past four years after the 2020 election. >> it's such a remarkable example of the projection that happens on the trump side. the big lie, which i kind of hate the shorthand, it is a lie about the election defeat designed to protect trump's fragile ego saying he lost because of fraud when he actually lost because more people voted for joe biden than donald trump. but the idea that he's such a novel criminal that the laws haven't caught up is such an amazing reality check. when you look at the pomp around the ticket around law and order. >> we have talked before about how it's sort of in my contention all along that the

2024 election is about whether we as a country can hold a former president accountable or not. because we have seen republicans fail to do it. or we see the courts failing to rise to the occasion, esplly in light of the immunity ruling. the last line of defense on that is really the voters. but what is interesting about the story about coming from arizona is that the members of this grand jury seem to sense something is wrong. they are returning indictments for everyone around donald trump. they are asking the prosecutors, why are we not charging the former president? maybe there's a lack of evidence. we don't want to charge things we don't have clear evidence for, but the fact that those grand jurors are asking questions that voters around the country are and saying, how come we can't hold this person accountable? is he actually going to be above the law as a supreme court says?

so it's an interesting develop that gets to a the lo of broader questions i'm glad they are asking the prosecutors. >> i think this is a piece that is in the water in this electorate. i'm not positive how you get at it, and i'm not positive that you have to. maybe this is good. i won't render judgment on whether it is or isn't, but i think it is clear that from the mueller investigation to the jack smith probes to the georgia state case and even to the successful prosecution of trump in new york where the sentencing is stalled orred, it has not been possible the to hold donald trump to a legal standard that we would all be held to. it hasn't worked. and i think that trump being held accountable by the voters maybe his worst nightmare. the only people with agency are voters. if there is no law that applies

to him, especially with his own appointees acting on the supreme court. how do you think that plays this november were. >> first of all, i agree with your assessment about the performance of the judicial system. this is been a lot of criticisms of the judicial system. mueller to now arizona from start to finish, the system failed trump to the standard that any one of us would have been accountable for. even in the places where you think the justice system has worked like new york, he's been allowed to be in contempt of court and not suffer any meaningful consequence. in arizona it's not the grand jurors' lack of evidence. rather there's a policy.

think about that for a moment. can you imagine donald trump's justice department or donald trump prosecutors worrying about a policy and sparing prosecution. so i think we have to acknowledge what you said, which is that the judicial system has largely failed in its efforts to hold him accountable. in terms of the electorate, the electorate gets that. i do think that's why donald trump fears judgment because he knows he's going lose the popular vote. he's going to lose it by more than 2020 and that's an embarrassment. it's that embarrassment that is, as you point out, the thing that he can't bear about 2020 and he won't be able to bear about 2024. >> i think it's -- there's been so much harris news that we haven't covered his bananas misses last night, but you can seement some of this coming out. they have him off the campaign

trail and then he's going to the never been a battleground state of montana later this week, but it's seeping out on social media. it's the possibility of this thing he can't bear. thank you all so much. the three of you are so wise and measured. thank you for starting us off. when we come back, how tim walz turned his record of military service into a congressional record of helping america's veterans. that story is next. america's veterans that story is next (children speaking)

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at 17 i joined the army national guard. for 24 years, i proudly wore the uniform of this nation. and that service just as it did for my dad a korean war veteran and millions of other, i got the gi bill and it gave me a shot at a college education. >> it's such a key pillar of his life story as he tells it and of his personal and political identity as well. tim walz, among many other impressive distinctions, is a veteran. you heard the story. 24 years promoted again and again up to the rank of command sergeant major among the highest honors for men and women in the military. he retired a master sergeant and a recipient of the army common dags medal for service and two

medals according to "the new york times." then it was off to congress, where walz rose to ranking member status in the house veterans affairs committee. he helped craft a mountain of legislation designed to help veterans that included bills on suicide prevention and an expansion of the gi bill. it's a resume to be proud of, but allies of donald trump are actually attacking the minnesota governor's record. this was jd vance today. >> i wonder, when were you ever in war? what was this weapon you carried into war given you abandoned your unit right before they went to iraq. what bothers me about tim walz is the stolen valor garbage. if he wants to krit size me for getting an ivy league education, i'm proud i was able to make something of myself. i would be ashamed if it i was him and lie about my military

service like he it did. >> joining our conversation, host of the independent podcast, paul rite cough is here. also lieutenant, fonder of democratic majority action pac amy mcgraph is here. let me show you what they had to say about that attack line from jd vance. >> i think jd vance knows you don't get to sergeant major just because. you get to sergeant major because you served this country. you get to sergeant major because you were willing to put the flag on your shoulder. if jd vance is going to go after tim walz, i would suggest he would not start with trying to attack the fact that someone raised their hand to serve this country. >> paul, your thoughts and reaction to all of this? >> as usual, wes moore is right.

i'm honored to call him a friend. i'm also honored to call tim walz a friend. i have known him for almost 20 years. he's a person of integrity, character, honor, he's one of the most honorable, hard-working politicians i have ever met. i like him so much it's hard to believe he's a politician. we worked together for 20 years on the house veterans affairs committee. his time in the national guard is very important. 24 years as a sergeant major. he served his community and his country. he's trained. he understands what it's like to wear the uniform. but in many ways, what he did in congress was more important. that was transformative. he was there every single time we needed him for over a decade. ment republicans will tell you this too. everybody knows tim walz delivered for veterans. on mental health, on the suicide prevention act, he was the lead correspondent sor, the gi bill, time and time again, tim walz was there. and i call him a lovable

bulldog. you love him, but you respect him because nobody works harder. i think you're going to hear more of that in the next couple years, especially from republicans, who know tim walz has been there. >> amy, it is so rare and cool to hear paul so excited about somebody we cover on this program. usually it's a bleaker topic. i want your reaction. and i wonder what you think of the strategy. jd vance is sort of out of the gate message today is to attack tim walz's service? >> it's actually the really bizarre, the whole thing. so go back to your question about the strategy. this ticket of trump/vance is the most unpatriotic ticket in american history. just last week they were praising and congratulating

vladimir putin for the prisoner exchange. they are still talking about pulling out of nato. this is something that veterans fought to build and protect for years. we have russia endorsing the trump ticket. they are doing the work of our adversaries, this last example of him attacking governor walz this way is just another example of trump attacking veterans. he's done it before. he calls them suckers and losers. he has another veteran to be able to go after one of his own in a really nasty, dishonest way. to me, it's just outrageous to say that somebody that served for 24 years wanted to get out so he couldn't go to combat? seriously, you don't get a choice of where you get

deployed. he served honorably for 24 years on a really hard job. and jd vance, he was in a desk job in iraq in an air-conditioned tent. let's not pretend here. this is ridiculous. >> amy, what do you think the response and reaction will be among veterans? >> i think veterans in general don't really like to see when other veterans attack each other. we all know what it's like to serve. we all know that you don't get a choice for where you go and we believe every job within the service is important. so i don't understand why you would attack and go after somebody, especially when he rose to the rank of command sergeant major. that's no small feat. ask any veteran what the difference between a corporal, which is what jd vance was, and a sergeant major.

there's a big difference there. i don't understand it. but it's what he does. >> paul, you were adamant about the value that a veteran would bring to the harris ticket. vice president harris saw it the same way. i wonder if you can just speak about why that was ahead of the pick so important to you, and how you think she should deploy tim walz in the next 90 days? >> i actually spoke to tim walz a couple weeks ago. i wasn't sure if he was actually in the running. i'm excited as an independent to see that he was because i was hoping the democrats wouldn't screw this up and pick someone without national security experience. they only had a couple options. they could go with mark kelly or pete buttigieg or with tim walz. and tim walz is exciing for a lot of reasons, but most of all, because he actually sounds like an independent. he sounds like someone who is a maverick. he understands how to talk to

people. he's a coach. he's a teacher. he's a dad. he feels like a normal person, but he's a bit more than normal. because he works so hard. he's so smart. he's such an effective communicator. i think what kamala harris saw. she saw someone who can get her ground in red states, pick off some people in swing states, who can move independents. half of veterans are independent. i think there's going to be a war between the warriors, which makes me sad. i don't like seeing jd vance and tim walz fighting on any level. i hope maybe they can do a cease-fire and say let's set the right tone. an important piece here is this isn't going to be the first time we're going to have veterans run against each other. you'll probably see wes moore, there's going to be a generation from both parties and maybe from no party at all, and i think they both have an opportunity to set a peaceful tone, a respectful tone, like we saw among the world war ii veterans that helped do so much for this country in a bipartisan way. >> amy, what do you hope for the next 90 days?

>> well, i hope that the harris/walz ticket can go out there and talk to voters, particularly those voters that are people who cold war voters. they are out there. national security is never the number one thing that people care about, but it is really important. s it is important for people who have served this country and their families. they do not want to see us pulled out of nato. they understand the value of partnerships and security partnerships around the world. they take offense when people like donald trump call us suckers and losers. and so this is a really important step when vice president harris picked governor walz to be her running mate in speaking to those voters. it's the exact type of message that i try to do with my pac. we're talking to these voters and we're going to get them to

come to democrats and vote for vice president harris this cycle because it's important for our national security. >> amy, i would love for you to bring your group back to talk to us in the wake of this pick because you have had the pleasure of paul on this program for years. i have never seen paul smile twice in one segment. this feels -- this feels really important and this feels like a really in all of the obvious and more subtle ways, a really important decision on vice president harris' part. paul, amy, always a pleasure to talk to you. thank you. when we come back, brand new details about a terror plot in usa tee ya that led to the cancellation of three taylor swift concerts. we'll bring you that reporting, next. t concerts we'll bring you that reporting, next

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anything publicly about these cancellations. we bring in nbc news investigative correspondent tom winter. you've had a busy summer but i did not have canceled by terrorist plot taylor swift concerts on my bingo card for you. this is extraordinary. tell me what we know about these plots. >> time to start expanding the bingo card, because u.s. officials, officials in europe, are definitely concerned. look, talked about it openly. i know you've discussed it on a number of occasions. the current threat environment we are in, only enhanced following october 7th. as far as this particular incident it's important to note there's no believed threat to swift and her well-being specifically. according to our reporting, multiple u.s. law enforcement officials briefed on this investigation and reporting and work done by our team in europe and austria and officials statements to us there, apparently what happened,

austrian officials became aware of these individuals. a type of surveillance occurred on both and throughout the process they start to understand in the case you mentioned of the 19-year-old arrested early this morning austrian time in low are austria, this individual professed their allegiance in isis. both of them became radicalized online, how it's describes to us and the 19-year-old in the process building a bomb used to attack the taylor swift concert. they're looking at all sorts of large events in austria, definitely focused on the taylor swift concert. that appears to have been the intended target and had officials so concerned. they had a security plan in place to try to get these concerts to go on safely. ultimately event organizers looked at the overall picture and decided to make a change. included in that the fact we are told there is at least one or multiple individuals though are still looking for with perhaps knowledge of these plots or plans. that's the latest we have,

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