good day, i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. frustrated and falling behind, donald trump has a rare press event next hour as he tries to reclaim some of the political mojo he's been losing to the democratic ticket. as kamala harris heads to rallies in two more battleground states, what can trump say or do now to get the spotlight back where he wants it? on him. plus, tropical storm debby pummelling the south for a fourth straight day, now drenching the carolinas with what could ultimately be more than two feet of rain. the storm is creeping up the coast at a speed of a light jog putting 22 million people under

flood alerts all the way up to the canadian border. and frightening new details about a group of teenagers suspected of plotting to attack a taylor swift concert in austria, and in the words of officials, kill as many people as possible. we'll explain how the u.s. helped stop it and how officials in vienna are defending their decision to cancel all of the sold out concerts disappointing thousands of swifties in the process. so much to get to, but we start with donald trump, set to hold that press event one hour from now as he tries to reclaim momentum for a campaign that's seen itself outmatched in nearly every way, since kamala harris became the democratic nominee, from the energy to the crowds to the record amounts of money coming in. nbc news has learned that trump is expected to propose a new debate with harris, the lates volley in the back and forth since she became his opponent. all of this part of a stunning turn of events from just a couple of weeks ago when trump had people predicting a november

landslide after he received that hero's welcome at the republican convention. things have changed. now "the washington post" says, quote, in the face of new democratic momentum, trump has grown increasingly upset about harris's surging poll numbers and media coverage complaining relentlessly and asking friends about how his campaign is performing. that's according to five people close to the trump campaign. multiple publications have reported that his inability or unwillingness to stay on message is a big part of the problem. "the wall street journal" editorial board asking today whether he'll blow another election. and then there's this, a new marquette poll of likely voters showing harris up six, albeit within the margin of error. that same poll back in june, though, showed biden leading trump by just two. i want to bring in nbc's garrett haake who's at mar-a-lago, robby mook is president of house majority pac and was hillary clinton's campaign manager in

2016. michael steele is former rnc chairman, co-host of msnbc's "the weekend" and an msnbc political analyst, and with me here on set, nbc's dasha burns. okay, garrett, i mentioned this idea of a debate. it's not like the idea of a debate is something new, so what do we think we might hear at this press event? >> well, look, on the subject of a debate, there's been one on the schedule for about a month from now for some time. trump keeps going back and forth about whether he'll attend or propose something else. i'm told from campaign officials they won't get ahead of anything he plans to say today. i do think he will address that in about an hour when he speaks here. as for what this event is about today and the way the trump campaign views this race in general, they think kamala harris is on a sugar high. she's getting a ton of free media, a ton of attention for rolling out her nominee. she's not getting much criticism for her record, for her policy positions, for all the things she said she would do when she ran for president four years ago

that she's now backed away from. and in some ways taking questions from reporters, even inving them into what is functionally your living room is the cost of refunctioning those -- everything you've seen that we've just described that burst of enthusiasm will wear off when voters get a better look at her, and frankly, there's just not that much time left to provide that better look to voters. that is the trump campaign's view in what they are trying to do today and in weeks and months to come to return the race to the fundamentals that had been guiding it. >> we will check in with you once that press event gets underway. we'll see if he takes questions. thank you. what does trump need to do, and what can he do realistically today if he wants to start to get that political momentum back? >> that's a good question. the launch of his vice president was a joke. okay, even before we get there,

let's back it up. so he has this debate with president biden, who just completely flat lined in the debate, right? awful. no bump. he gets shot. no bump. goes into the convention. no bump, launches his vice presidential candidate, no bump. leaves the convention, no bump. the campaign has been flat lined for a while, and while everybody was focused on the mental acuity of the current president and whether or not he would stay in the race, everyone ignored the fact that the other guy wasn't doing much better, and so now donald trump recognizes that and what shows it up more than anything else is everything that's happened with kamala harris since the moment she stepped on the stage, the dynamic politically, financially, in terms of grass roots has all changed. more important than all of that, you know what? you guys aren't talking about

him. the press, he's not leading the stories, so this is his moment to grab those headlines back. you know, he got a little juice from nabj where he went on stage and created some controversy in front of black reporters. that kind of got the juices flowing, so now this is the next level of that. who cares if he takes questions. you think he's going to answer any questions the press asks him? no, that's not the point. the point is for you to focus that red light in the camera on him because kamala harris has done something that joe biden couldn't do, and that is make him potentially irrelevant in this conversation as the momentum is growing more and more and more, and what you're seeing is the zoom meetings, the fund-raising, the grass roots organization, he can't account for my of that, he can't show any of that. what he can do is grab the nation's lens and focus it on him at mar-a-lago. we'll see what he says. i can pretty much predict it, it's not going to be much, but

that's not the point. the point is now he's going to be in the conversation and is going to be breaking coverage at 2:00 p.m. that's the thing for him, and i think if we understand that, meanwhile, kamala's going to continue to do her thing and continue that momentum, which donald trump has not been able to show right now for his campaign. >> robbie, given everything that michael just said and true that there is a lack of a bump it seems whatever donald trump has done in this campaign, you also both know that anybody who assumes they know how a campaign is going to turn out three months down the road doesn't know anything, right? any assumptions that you make can be upended by something that happens with the economy, something that happens with a terror attack, something that happens who knows with what, it's often the things we don't know about, a press conference by an attorney general.

so if you're on the harris team and maybe even trump shows some level of discipline, we'll see if that happens, but what line of attack worries you or what that they might do that is within your control to respond to worries you? >> well, first and foremost, i think what trump is struggling with right now is that this was a pretty easy campaign for him before all this happened. the theme was strength, he said biden was weak. i think a lot of voters bought that, and he didn't really have to do much. so now he needs to change course, and i think -- i'm going to frame this positively. i think the opportunity for harris right now despite being the incumbent vice president is to be the change candidate in a change election. we're seeing change elections happen all over the world. there is a desire for change in the u.s. in this election now, and trump has been so back ward

looking in his messaging about how prices were cheaper when i was president, the world was more stable when i was president, but it's all back ward looking. she has an opportunity to say, hey, we need to turn the page in our politics here in the u.s. and go on to a new chapter. i think she's beginning to do that, but she only has about i'd say two to three weeks to really lock that in. i think the danger for her right now is if trump can get the initiative back, get the message back. i'm kind of with michael, i don't know -- we'll see what happens today, but she must do that. she must be a change agent and the future candidate in this election and not let trump turn her into just another version of the biden administration. >> yeah, i think he's right about, michael, the fact that donald trump seems to be by all reports struggling with the idea this isn't an easy campaign anymore and great campaigns, successful campaigns always have to have a bit of agility, right?

and "the wall street journal" was pretty harsh, i thought, today because he goes back to his own playbook with the attack strategy against harris. quote, he said he doesn't like jewish people, though her husband is jewish. he's attacked her racial identity, which alienates swing voters. he calls her low i.q. and dumb as if the schoolyard insult will persuade anyone. if, in fact, his own people say it shouldn't be hard. just attack harris as a far left liberal, focus on the issues like the economy, that's what he should be doing. does he think that's not right? does he not care? what's going on? >> i think it's a little bit -- i won't say the not care part, but i do think it's the not right part here. i think a lot of what is frustrating donald trump right now is that he wants to be surrounded by people who fight for him, who fight and push out narratives that he wants to see

played on air waves and social media across the spectrum, and when he doesn't see that, he gets frustrated. that's what this is about. this is as much about, okay, i want the cameras to be on me as it is y'all not doing what i want y'all to do. you're not fighting the way i want you to fight for me. you're not fighting the way i would fight, and so what you're going to see -- and you got a taste of it with the nabj piece. people go why would he do that? he did it because, one, it puts him into a fighting posture. he knows he's going into what he's presuming to be a hostile setting. this afternoon will be a hostile setting. whether he takes questions or not, that's not the point. he wants to feel like he's in the fight because he doesn't think anyone's out there fighting for him the way he wants them to. i think that pushes a lot of the story line here, and i think with respect to where, you know, the harris campaign finds itself

right now, let donald trump go in and do his thing with himself. that's fine because what -- when you talk about the policy -- and this is going to be a problem. okay, you want -- the way robby said is right, when you're talking about policies looking back, so tell me what the policy is looking forward. you've got members out there on wall street right now worried about a recession. what's your advice to the fed? what's your plan if that happens? how do you position health care in 2025? because last time you said you wanted to repeat and replace obamacare, but you couldn't do that, so what about that? we now got infrastructure in place. what more do we need to do in the nation's infrastructure. that's right, you did infrastructure every day for four years and couldn't get it done. oh, and immigration. what's your policy there since you killed the most conservative policy on immigration in 25 years. so he doesn't necessarily want to talk about policy in a forward position because it

exposes so much of what he failed to do when he had the mantle of power as president. >> dasha, that brings me to you. any talk inside the trump campaign about having to change their strategy beyond attacking harris instead of biden? >> well, look, the conversations i've been having with his advisers, with his team, they see this as an election that is still about president biden. they say that just because the ticket has changed does not mean that the issues that voters care about have changed, and they're trying to brand harris before she can brand herself with voters. so when you talk about her trying to potentially be the change agent, they're going to try to do the opposite and say, no, no, no, she has to answer for and owns everything that has happened in the last three and a half years under the biden/harris administration. they want to keep talking about the border. they want to keep talking about the economy, and they want harris and biden to essentially be one and the same in the minds of voters. and so that's what they're

focused on. the question is can former president trump stay on that message. and when i ask -- and this is classic, right? we've heard this for years now, when you talk to people around him about, you know, reining him in and try to keep him from distracting from the message that his staff are trying to put out there, there's not any reining in trump, and this is the double edged sword for his staff because they do feel like he is their secret sauce. it is trump that has made the campaign successful. it's trump that's built this, but at the same time, it's also trump that is the liability when it comes to staying on message and having any sort of discipline. >> how many times did i hear let trump be trump. which brings me, robby, to what may be at least part of the topic of this press conference, and that is the debate. let's assume it's going to happen. you're somebody who knows about debating donald trump, so i wonder how you see this shaping up and strategically how kamala

harris approaches donald trump, particularly if his battle plan is to go out there and just try to tie her to everything joe biden has ever done? >> yeah, i mean, that will be it, and again, this is going to be complicated for him because his whole theory of the case in this election was strength versus weakness, and i think there's -- that's one thing to do against joe biden, it's very dangerous to are try to do that against kamala harris. that bullying factor could be much more of risk for him. to the degree you can ever prepare donald trump for a debate, i don't even -- i don't really know how you can do that, and i don't know anything about doing that, but he has got to approach her in a way where he doesn't look like, you know, he's being too misogynistic attacking her and so on. and let's not forget, she's a prosecutor. prosecuting cases is something she was professionally trained to do and had a pretty good

reputation for doing, so i think she can be easily underestimated as a debate opponent, and i think it will be a really good opportunity for her to drive all the things we're talking about, to stake out her ground as a future looking candidate, to stake out her ground as someone independent of joe biden. in a way, i would almost welcome donald trump to come at her and try to tie her to biden because she's in a position whether she can talk about some ways that she is going to do things differently in the future, and i think that would be healthy for her. but i think, i would argue donald trump potentially has more to lose in this debate. he is the old candidate. he is the rambling candidate, you know, there was very little fact checking that could be done in the biden debate because the president's performance was so poor, we were fixated on that. you could have had an army of a thousand fact checkers, and they wouldn't have been able to fast check fast enough on him in realtime.

so i think his team is going to have to manage that, manage that problem and that liability in a way that just wasn't even a factor in the last debate. >> robby mook, and michael steele, you're going to stay with me. dasha burns, thank you very much. coming up in 90 seconds, vice president kamala harris is leaning into the large crowds and a clear message to keep her campaign's momentum going. will it work in michigan where she's heading today? michigan whe she's heading today? ♪ (woman) c'mon c'mon ♪ (man) yes! ♪ (vo) you've got your sunday obsession and we got you. now with verizon, get nfl sunday ticket from youtube tv on us and get every out-of-market sunday game. plus $800 off samsung galaxy z fold6. only on verizon. (jalen hurt) see you sunday. why use 10 buckets of water when you can use 1 fire extinguisher.

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the crowds, the confrontations and the choices vice president kamala harris, her campaign strategy now coming into focus as she continues to draw those huge and enthusiastic crowds across battleground states. 14,000 people at her first event with her vp pick tim walz in philly, 12,000 in eau claire, wisconsin, a city with less -- eau claire, wisconsin, a city with less than 70,000 residents, and then last night more than 15,000 went to watch her speak at the detroit metro. so many they had to move the event to an airport hangar. so today she tries to keep that campaign momentum going, this time with united auto workers in detroit just a couple of hours from now before heading to phoenix.

but back to the strategy. democratic primary ballots who told her they need to see a policy that will save lives in gaza. nbc's shaquille brewster is on the ground near detroit for us, robby mook and michael steele back with me. shaq, what do we expect from this event in detroit? >> hi there, chris, look, today's event will look much different than what we saw yesterday with those big crowds, much different than what i saw when i was in eau claire, wisconsin, when you had about 12,000 people. this instead is inside a union hall in the detroit area, and the campaign says that you'll have the vice president and governor walz meeting with union members directly, a uaw source

familiar with the planning saying one of those meetings will be a private meeting between president shawn fain, uaw president shawn fain and the democratic ticket there. of course the uaw endorsing the democratic ticket and vice president harris just last week. we do know that shawn fain was also at that big rally that we saw in the detroit area just last night. but look, this is campaign really leaning into the idea that they see unions as a priority. i've been talking with folks here waiting for the vice president, waiting for the governor and despite the inroads that you've been seeing former president trump make and the outreach with union workers, they say they're sticking with vice president harris. one of the reasons, they say, is that because she's benefitting from the goodwill that president biden had, the fact that he was the first president to come out on the picket line during their strike. this was essentially ground zero for their strike almost a year ago, and then it's because of what they've heard about governor tim walz, the fact that he was a union member, the fact that he's known for being a

strong supporter of unions. the campaign really trying to do what they can to lean into it. we know that there are more than 2.7 million union workers just in battleground states alone, and you're going to have vice president harris and governor walz make that case to them directly today. >> thank you for that, shaq. so robby, the huge crowds would seem to suggest that the base, which was disengaged, disenchanted with biden may be coming back, but can the campaign be confident this early enthusiasm, even the money will translate into actual votes or how do you make that connection? >> yeah, no, it's actually a really good question. first and foremost, what's happening is real, the enthusiasm, the crowds. i was at my county democratic party meeting last night. i couldn't find a parking space because it was completely full. there was a line, you know, we met in sort of a gymnasium area. there was a line to sign up at the table. i'd never seen anything like that so this is very, very

real -- >> i just want to understand what this meeting was. what was this meeting for that so many people turned out for? >> it was just a regular county grass roots organizing meeting, just a regular monthly meeting. hadn't seen anything like it, you know, and the one before that was let's just say a lot more sparsely attended. so this is very, very real, but you're making an important point. you're asking an important question, which is, okay, how does that translate into the vote? i feel very confident what this is going to mean and what we've seen in the polls is that the problems we were having with enthusiasm with young people, interest in voting, intention to turn out, also in communities of color and performance and vote in those communes, we've seen -- we have recovered everything that we lost over the last few months. that's really important. there was no way to win unless that happened. but i will say when you look at the battleground polls today, we're still either tied or losing in some of these battleground states. as we know, it's not enough to win the national vote as a

democrat. we've done that in every presidential election since 2008. you have to win it by, you know, four, five more points and you have to win these individual battleground states, and one of the things that keeps me up at night, aside from, you know, getting a little too cocky and people thinking i don't actually have to turn out, she's got all the momentum. what i worry about is keep in mind, trump's base actually has a lower likelihood to turn out. it's one of the reasons democrats did better in this midterm because the kinds of people that are coming into the democratic party tend to be more likely to turn out right now. trump needs to peak not in august. he needs to peak in october, and so the question is how do we sustain this and then do we have the votes we need where we need them in the battleground map, and that's why you see this laser like focus on michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania, and then also trying to compete

again in the sunbelt, but absolutely the campaign is going to have to find some new votes, persuade some new people, just getting our basics is not going to be enough. >> which makes it interesting to me, michael, that since the debate, there have been eight rallies by donald trump in four battleground states so four battleground states out of eight rallies. the only one he's doing this week is in montana, the only rally. help me understand that strategy. >> well, i think part of it is shoring up the base in the battleground states. their private polling and other polling is showing some slippage. there's no doubt about that.

>> could it also be we know he loves numbers, right? he cared about them. he inflated how much he was worth early on in his career. then he admits he constantly watched the ratings when he was doing "the apprentice." he has misrepresented -- do we have that tweet just from today? he's misrepresented crowd size before. there you are, he says if kamala has a thousand people at a rally, they don't mention his, when 100,000 people show up. so is it also you go to a place -- you plan to go to a place where your supporters are because how bad would that be if you go somewhere and you can't fill the venue? >> he hasn't had a rally with 100,000 people. all right? so just because donald trump tweets it, doesn't make it real. >> and has there been one in history? i know there were huge ones with hillary and barack obama.

>> he just did an event in the exact same venue as kamala harris in georgia and did not come close to her number. she had, what was it, 14,000 people. he did not have 14,000 people at his venue. part of this is going to those places where in the battlegrounds to your point to get the numbers, right? to have a big rally, but here's the problem. the rallies aren't that big. they're not 25, 30,000, 40,000 people showing up every time trump opens his mouth, and what we've seen even at his own national convention, people were falling asleep during the hour and a half speech. we've had rallies where people have left before he's done. so you know, you can talk all day long about having bodies behind you like that, but that is not a reflection of how people are going to vote, and it's not a reflection of exactly what kind of momentum you may or may not have, which to robby's

point is an important point to your question. and james carville laid this out last week, and it's exactly what democrats have to be focused on now, how do we channel all of these pockets of energy. when you get 100,000 people wanting to be on a zoom to contribute $4 million or $10 million or whatever the number is, you now have to translate that into votes on election day. this has got to be two tracks for them. you're good at early voting. you're good at turning out your early vote, but you need a massive turnout on election day because that's, to robby's point, that's where the gop tends to peak from october to november, that makes the difference, and you need to be in that space because that's where the game is. >> and i've been watching very closely as she's been doing, robby, these events, what her message is, how she delivers it, and especially the sort of off the cuff stuff. they've made efforts and we saw

it from her yesterday, she -- and specifically to diffuse a lock him up chant at the rally, i'm going to play that little clip. >> well, donald trump was just found guilty of fraud 34 counts to be exact. >> hold on, hold on. hold on, you know what? here, hold on. here's the thing, the courts are going to handle that. we're going to beat him in november. we're going to beat him in november. >> so my question when i is that true and combined with the reaction to the israel protesters, right, i'm curious what you think she's saying about how she plans to set the tone, the message for her campaign, the strategy that you see in what she's done so far before these big crowds. >> yeah, no, look, first of all,

it's given me a ton of confidence because i think this is a kamala harris who is much more competent, much more off the cuff, much more spontaneous than we've seen in the past. that's i really believe part of why this momentum has been building. it's great to see, and by the way, we were talking about debates earlier. this is exactly the kind of, you know, sharp but not too sharp elbows that she's going to need in a debate with donald trump and the kind of judgment she's going to need in terms of, you know, deciding when to fact check and when not to fact check. but the other thing that i really appreciate here is -- and you know, we heard governor walz talk about how her campaign is bringing joy back to politics. i think all democrats are really feeling this right now. it's just this good, positive energy. i think it's right to say to the crowd, hey, let's focus on like organizing and beating him at the ballot box. let's not, you know, let's not look to the courts to solve this

election. i think it only helps trump, you know, that this case and the sentencing hearing and all that, we shouldn't spend a minute worrying about that. what we should worry about is, as i said earlier, persuaing new people to come into the party, getting our base turned out, and the way to do that is to convince them that her vision for the future, the solutions she has to bring prices down, to make the world more secure, to help families get by, that that is the focus and that's why people should be motivated to turn out and vote for her. >> my power pair of robby mook and michael steele, come back anytime, guys. great having you on. and up next, deadly tropical storm debby wreaking havoc up and down the east coast as it makes second landfall. the major flood damage we're seeing as hundreds of thousands of people remain without power. of people remain without power look at that! the heavy duty cloths are extra thick, for amazing trap & lock. even for his hair. wow. you'll love swiffer

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tropical storm debby is once again dumping huge amounts of water on parts of the south after making a second u.s. landfall in south carolina early this morning. a 62-year-old north carolina man was killed when a tornado tore into his home about 50 miles from raleigh. this bright orange toy was among the rubble, the roof turned upside down. a nearby middle school also missing its roof after the

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taylor swift concerts in vienna confessed that he intended to kill himself and as many people as possible with knives and explosive devices. investigators found manuals and materials for bomb building in his home along with knives and machetes. the second suspect also arrested, a third is being questioned and all of them are teenagers. the cancellations are a devastating blow for swift fans. >> the women in my family have been planning this trip for over a year. >> we were all just really sad. i guess it's good in that like we're safe, but also really scary. >> frank figliuzzi is the former assistant director for counterintelligence at the fbi and nbc's tom winter is following this story closely for us. tom, i understand that the u.s. intelligence played a role in foiling this plot. what can you tell us? >> the austrians talked about it in their briefings which

occurred overnight our time, but in the morning their time. it's our reporting based on a number of officials we've spoken to in this country and abroad that the u.s. intelligence community had a sense, a general sense of what might be going on over there and what typically happens is that's developed in the intelligence community here, and then u.s. law enforcement makes a law enforcement to law enforcement referral, and in this case talked to the austrians and said, hey, you have a bit of a problem that might be brewing. this is generally what's going on, and you should look into it. the austrians, to their credit to the u.s.'s credit of course who's had some success as we saw with the warning prior to the crocus hall attack in moscow, the u.s. is on a role having some sense that something is going on. the austrians took the ball and ran with it and conducted surveillance that identified these individuals that you were just referring to, conducted this investigation, follow-up search warrants and now an apparent and alleged confession by the person you're looking at

on screen. this is the 19-year-old who was arrested in lower austria with those knives, with the bomb making materials and with, we are told, distinct intent to attack a taylor swift concert this weekend in vienna. >> young people being radicalized, the youngest, i think, was 15, all of them as i said teenagers, was a major issue since what the obama administration back when isis i guess you would say was at its height. what does this radicalization tell us, and how much should it worry us? >> indeed we're seeing a trend to younger and younger people being radicalized faster and faster. in fact, when i retired from the bureau, we were seeing what we call speed to radicalization drop to something like two months. two months between the time you're first exposed online to violent ideology, and then the time that you're willing to act out and operate or execute.

so you see the age getting younger. you see the deliberate use of recruitment on tiktok as a platform. that's a strategy to get these folks younger and younger. they're vulnerable. they're seeking some sense of meaning and belong in their life, and then, you know, the other takeaways here, chris, are that beyond this event is that isis k particularly remains hell bent on attacking concert venues. we've seen it happen before. that needs to factor into all security planning for all concerts -- >> let me ask you about that specifically, frank, because hundreds of thousands of people are going to attend taylor swift's upcoming concert, and they are going to go from city to city, country to country including canada and the united states so how does what we are just seeing now change the planning there, and how well prepared are we for these -- at these concert venues and big gatherings? >> yeah, it's not going away, and in fact, taylor swift represents a kind of iconic

american celebrity that even if you execute a very small scale attack is going to reach global media attention, and that's what's going on here. so law enforcement needs to factor that terrorism threat in as they have not necessarily been doing to a routine concert. what does that mean? it means pushing the security perimeter farther and farther out. it means truly vetting people who are coming, undercover officers in the crowd, lots of magnetometer use and shared it intelligence. the last takeaway i'd suggest here, is we have some encouraging news. we were all concerned when the u.s. withdrew from afghanistan that we'd lose a capability to collect intel, particularly against isis, and now we're hearing, as tom said, that the u.s. shared this intelligence with the austrians as, by the way, they did similarly with the russians in the moscow concert venue attack, so we've still got this capability, but we got to get it right every time. the bad guys only have to get it right once. >> and if it's going to take

taylor swift fans longer to get into a concert venue, i feel confident in saying they will wait to make sure everything's good. frank figliuzzi, tom winter, thank you both. coming up next, a massive rebuilding effort underway in hawaii. it's been one year since fires wiped out lahaina and left more than 100 people dead. we'll take you live to maui. (vo) they're back! verizon small business days are here. august 5th to the 11th. get a free tech check. and special offers. like a free 5g phone, when you switch. don't miss out. get started today.

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perseverance, construction is now underway on 20 homes out of thousands, though, that burned down last august. since the massive wildfires, most of the homeowners still don't have a permanent place to live. about 60% of those impacted have moved at least three times just over the past year. nbc's steve patterson is in maui for us. what are you hearing from homeowners about what is a long effort to rebuild their lives? >> reporter: aloha, chris, i think the sort of mood here is hope amid uncertainty. these last 12 months have been this vicious cycle of job and housing insecurity for so many families that lost everything, for this island that lost so much. i think we forget sometimes about what maui has lost in and of itself, the economy here devastated, 20% down in tourism. over a billion dollars in losses. that is a potential job loss amid a physical job that is

probably lost because of that fire. to think about the families going place to place looking for a viable temporary or permanent solution. so many families say they had to cut through so much red tape and tried to and failed and tried to again, living with family members, crammed into these situations in which they have no other option. despite that, there is hope, though, a lot of what you're seeing is being rebuilt, 90% of the fire zone has been cleared of debris, which means permits are going up, homes are being built once again in lahaina. i spoke to a homeowner who lost their home and is now watching the stud grow back from the earth, tears in her eyes. she spoke about why it's so important to her. why would you rebuild in a place like this. here's what she told me, listen to this. >> i just had this incredible motivation to rebuild. i have thought about moving, but the urge to rebuild and come back overpowers that. i loved my home here, i loved

this neighborhood. i'm from lahaina, born and raised, so i couldn't imagine not sticking it out. my neighbors are the same. we're really close friends. that's my neighbor there, and he's on the same path as me. we're all rebuilding. >> reporter: you may see it, hawaii remembers a traditional paddle out happening. surfers gathering in the heart of the ocean with a traditional ceremony to remember the fallen. all of this happening all day long. >> steve patterson, thank you for that. minutes from now, president trump, the former president delivering remarks at a press event in west palm beach. stay close, more "chris jansing reports" just after this. s jans reports" just after this t-mobile's 5g network connects a hundred thousand delta employees so they can make every customer feel like they've arrived before they've left the ground. this is how business goes further with t-mobile for business.

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