work out? it's certainly going to be fun to watch. i'm looking forward to seeing that play out. it starts tomorrow and then on saturday they have medals. >> stephanie gosk, thank you for doing this dance with us. enjoy paris. that's it for me today. "deadline: white house" starts right now. ♪♪ ♪♪ hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in the east. vice president kamala harris is right now addressing the uaw in wayne, michigan. let's listen in. >> -- always fought for those ideals, and we know we are a work in progress. we haven't yet quite reached all of those ideals, but we will die trying because we love our country and we believe in who we are. [ applause ] and that's what our campaign is about. we love our country.

we believe in our country. we believe in each other. we believe in the collective. we're not falling for these folks who are trying to divide us, trying to separate us, trying to pull us apart. that's not where the strength lies. and there's that. and so i say to all of the members of uaw and sean fein as the first who i talkeded to about this, i am so deeply honored as a lifelong supporter of union labor for tim and i to have the endorsement of the uaw. [ cheers and applause ] >> so deeply honored because you walk your walk. you walk your walk and what we

know like we have talked about. we have 89 days to get this done, and you know, the one thing about all of us is we lay hard work. hard work is good work. hard work is good work. the thing we like about hard work is we have fun doing hard work because we know what we stand for and that's a big part of this campaign. you know when you know what you stand for you know what to fight for. we know what we stand for, and we stand for the people. and we stand for the dignity of work. we stand for freedom. we stand for justice. we stand for equality, and so we will fight for all of it and the bottom line about uaw is i also known, even if you're not a

member of the union, you better thank unions for the five-day workweek. you better thank unions for that eight-hour work day. you better thank unions for that vacation time! so i'm here to say thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you to the sisters and brothers of uaw for all you are and all we will do over these next 89 days. god bless you. god bless you. god bless you. [ cheers and applause ] ♪♪ >> vice president kamala harris addressing the uaw in wayne, michigan, today. it's where we begin our coverage with some of our favorite experts and friends. new york times editorial board member, msnbc political analyst mark hayes is here, former campaign manager, jim messina is here, also former republican

congressman msnbc political analyst david gellie is here and anthony scaramucci is back. anthony, i'll start with you because you have some of the most intriguing tweets about the unraveling of vice president kamala harris' opponent donald trump. i should tell our viewers who weren't watching earlier, he delivered -- i don't know. i left after about 40 minutes i think it might still going on of a rambling press conference. there was a bit of important news. he did announce three debates that he was open to. the abc debate which the vice president has committed to, a debate on fox which donald trump has been talking about, and he mentioned a debate on nbc news which hasn't been publicly discussed before, but other than that, i believe he suggested his crowds were bigger than martin

luther king's crowds. he lied for the vast majority of it, and he seems deeply unnerved by the enthusiasm, the vigor, the organization and yes, the size of the crowds that vice president kamala harris is garnering. anthony, can we hear you? anthony, you're muted. i need you to start over. >> all right. nicole, i'm sorry. i had it on mute. i don't want you to hear the lawn mower. what i was saying is if he starts saying his crowds are bigger than taylor swift then you know we're in real psychotic territory, but listen, i knew jim was going to be on with me, jim messina, he said the same thing i said. just let him unravel. he was digging and digging and digging, and i'll just point out three quick things because i know him very well. he's very upset.

he spent the last couple of days socializing ideas about campaign changes and strategy which is why he's not moving around the country. he then went to his staff and said let me show you how it's done. i'm the big alpha male narcissistic dog, let me go out there and do some crazy fidel castro stuff for a couple of hours and then when he does this with his hands you know he's lying. this is the big tell. he said i'm way up in the polls and he went like this and he mentioned rasputin or rasmussen, and you get the point i'm making. this is all him telling you that he's now frightened, he's now cornered and he's very angry, and so i saw what jim messina put out on social media which i agree with. let him keep digging. the harris campaign, stay disciplineded. you stay on your message. let him implode. >> anthony, let me just follow up with you. why isn't he campaigning in

battleground states? he's hunkered down at mar-a-lago doing all of the things you just described, but when he hits the road he's going to montana. why? >> well, i'll take him at his word that he says he's going up there for some kind of fund raiser and he's going up there to help a senator up there, but i think the real reason why he's not out there is he hasn't found his message yet. he's tried to use the 2016 sexist playbook. he tried to build into that some racism as he did at the nabj thing. it's not working, and so rather than go out there and keep flubbing, he's searching for the right narrative and the right messaging. he'll have a lot of trouble, though, and i'll just point out quickly. 20.2 million baby boomers have died since the 2016 election and 40 million generation xors have been added to the voting scroll. so this is a different

electorate and they're not going to tolerate the racism and the sexism that he spews, i just want to say this. he called the vice president dumb at least four times today, and that is a sign of his racism. she's an incredibly qualified person. if you look at her credentials and you look at who she is as a human being, it is absolutely absurd that he's calling her that, and people need to call him on that and hand check him on something like that. >> i want to ask you one more question, what the times and post is reporting and certainly what you are describing, they describe sources close to dmitri donald trump, unsettled, struggling to focus in the light of kamala harris' rise. it turns out that tim alberto's reporting on the entire architecture of the trump campaignharris' rise. it turns out that tim alberto's

reporting on the entire architecture of the trump campaign being about the ageism and the slurs that they planned to lob against joe biden that there wasn't a plan b. so much has been made of chris acevedo and susie wyles. it's been three weeks. where is the backup lan? >> remember, he disavowed project 2025, and so that's one of his moves. he put all of his teammates in there. he's flying around privately with the leader of the heritage foundation. it doesn't poll well and then he says what he always says, i don't even know these people. never met these people, and they have the whole group of maggot, the magts upset. those people are after suzy and chris. susie and chris are looking and saying we could have an expiration date on our jobs now. this is how trump thinks and it's not like george steinbrenner where you fire first, think last sort of thing. so things are in disarray. he is calling around to his old

campaign teams, people from '16 and '20 and he's socializing ideas with them and that's why he's on time delay and just another quick thing. i'm not going to debate her unless it's fox news. he's getting crushed in the polls, and so now i'm up for three debates. so he says two opposite things at the same time all the time. it worked in '16. it sort of worked during his presidency. it's not working now. people are tired of the repetitive act of it and that's why he's flying around right now, nicole. i could tell you a lot because i traveled with the guy, know the guy intimately. i can tell you exactly what's going on there. >> well, i mean, i do like understanding that this is the lie. tell me if you see any signs that he's listening to anybody other than his own big brain which was his answer when dan asked him where he gets his foreign policy expertise.

>> well, he's smarter than his generals and smarter than everybody. he does listen. he derides jared. he does listen to jared and he does listen to ivanka, and he does listen to susie wyles and he is upset because of the wi things have turned and i don't know if he's listening to her currently, but the big brain is the one that motivated him to make this press conference and this sort, of if fidel castro got married to benito mussolini it would be donald trump and this press conference today. that's the big brain of trump telling his people, look at me. i'm going to show you how it's done. by the way, he walks -- i don't know if he's still talking or not, but when he leaves that stage people are going to say to him, sir, you did such a great job and he'll think he did a great job today, but that stuff is a tired act in 2024. it's not going to work the way it did in 2016.

>> jim messina, you've been invoked. the idea that harris is so unbothered by trump that she doesn't even mention the one bit of news he made and the debates, is to me, the greatest insult of all that the act is old and tired, not driving the conversation anymore. definitely not the campaign or the candidate with the momentum. the vice president does describe herself, she did in philadelphia tuesday night as the underdog. tell me what it means to you to do what anthony just said to run her own race. >> yeah. i think it's absolutely crucial as anthony said. the most important thing when you have momentum is to just continue what you're doing. she's staying high to quote michelle obama while he goes low. right now that's exactly the right thing to do. don't take the bait because part of trump's genius is he takes us

to message by saying all of the crazy things and we as democrats chaes all of them because they are whack job things to say and meanwhile, we get off message and she and her campaign are being incredibly disciplined and it's me making my case while he unravels. there are two campaign things that i've seen that make me surprised. first of all, at his lectern there wasn't the make america great sign. he had the mar-a-lago club sign which is super weird message to send. it also shows you the advanced team is not with him. he just got up there and did that because nobody thought that was a great idea, and the second thing is anthony is right, he's not out there for another reason, though, which is his last event in atlanta hit 6,000 people and she had 15,000 people at the exact same arena. so he's right now screaming at his campaign team why are her

events bigger than mine. it's not 2016 anymore, he's been to these swing states a hundred times and his act is starting to fall flat, and people don't want to go see him. >> jim, her -- on her side, i haven't had a chance to speak to you since she became the nominee we both spent a career in campaign and politics and this is a political phenomenon. we may not always have this conversation and this may not always be the question, and right now she is, cuting a flawless campaign, a flawless rollout and she seems to know where the strengths are, where the lines are and the organic chants, we're not going back. say it to my face. this is a really impressive campaign so far. what, to your point, do you do to sustain this and turn this

momentum and excitement and these crowd sizes into voter turnout? >> first of all, you and i are probably jinxing her by saying how great these 15 days are. >> it's just cable. >> i agree. i've not seen anyone have as good as a 15 days as she is right now. part of is we learn more from a loss than you ever do a win and she's had four years to learn lessons of her presidential campaign, and i think she seems free. she seems unburdened and she knows who she is and that excitement and that enthusiasm continued. i think the next thing she's got to do is kind of expand on it. if you think about it in the presidential campaign you get two moments, the first is when you pick the v.p., she had that and now coming up in two weeks is her democratic national convention speech and she needs to look at the american public and tell them what she's going

to do with her four years, and if she can add that on and talk a little bit of economic growth and those kind of things, i think she's building a campaign that is built to win in november. >> i do, too. jim, just structurally, the messaging that is most effective is the messaging that is obviously, one, true, and two, organic and readily received. her organic messaging is we're not going back. people know what she's talking about and make america great again. >> i understand their momentum-shifting debates, but it doesn't seem like there are structural opportunities to re-shape the race and to anthony's reporting of the trump tales. i don't know if coming to grips is the right world, but a restructuring phase is off the

table and you in there is a dogfight for both. is that where you see the race? >> i do, nicole, because the harris campaign upons to be the race, we want to know where you're going to take us and that's herr frame right now and trump is just stuck in this anger and you saw it at the press conference. i'm like you, i made it through about 40 minutes, and i just couldn't do it anymore and the anger is just palpable. that's not what america wants especially these swing voters and you asked me about voter turnout. the best way to have voter turnout is to have excitement and real, on the ground excitement, of people who want to go to war for their candidate and the amount of money they're raising, nicole $200 million in two weeks and we've never seen anything like that. that's about a democratic base that's fired up and ready to go. >> it's amazing.

let me ask you one more question. all of the paralegals to obama '08, are those real? are those fair or is this something different? >> it feels a little bit different. obama '08 was a slow rising tide. he was 17 months of campaign before he won the democratic convention to our earlier discussion, we've just never seen 15 days like this. >> yeah. >> this is a true phenomena we have not seen. that said, it feels organic like that. 10,000 people getting on the zoom, white dudes for kamala that was organized in four days. that does feel like 2008 barack obama meet-ups. >> it's amazing. >> no one's going anywhere. we'll bring mara and david gellie into this conversation. also ahead for us, more from today's, events from the harris-walz campaign and we'll

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we are back with mara, jim, david and anthony. so, mara, vice president harris just making a little bit of news on the rope line there where she's still greeting folks in the crowd who came out to see her speech. she told one of my colleagues that -- and she had all, but dared trump to show up on this abc debate, she confirmed that she will be here, and a lot of what trump is doing is responding to her very public taunt to, quote, say it to my face. the insults that anthony's talking about, calling her dumb. saying she just turned black. the hideous things he's been saying that offend not just her, but every woman and every person who has taken them in will now be potentially something that is discussed between the two of them face to face on a live, televised debate on september 10th on abc news, mara.

>> yeah. we're going to see, i believe, a very different debate than the one we saw obviously between donald trump and joe biden, but i, like you, nicole, find it interesting that the vice president has barely even, you know, responded to donald trump. it's like he can barely get her attention, and you know, i want to go back for a moment to return to talk about the size of the crowds that we're seeing because what i really believe is that while there is genuine enthusiasm for vice president harris and governor walz, i actually think what we're seeing is something even larger than that. i think we're seeing pro-democracy rally, and this is a pro-democracy movement that seems to have spread like wildfire. the energy was already there and now there is finally a team to lead that movement, and that's how it feels to me. the other thing that's been

interesting is to watch that shifting dynamic because, you know, donald trump is the kind of man who needs people to be afraid. he wants democrats and people who believe in democracy to be afraid of him and he wants his supporters to be afraid of their neighbors and friends and relatives who vote differently or pray differently or look differently than they do. the problem that he has now is that all across the country we are seeing that americans are no longer afraid. they're no longer afraid of donald trump. they're know afraid of trumpism, and i actually think it's the energy that is spewing that is remarkable. we have a situation where democrats went from what felt like a wake for democrcy and the dread of it now just feels like a black family reunion and now on top of that you have a

governor in tim walz who i believe is someone who has family from the midwest, uaw family, both black and white, my mother is a white woman, tim walz is essentially inviting trump supporters into the party. hey, it's not so scary. there's a place for you at the table. so i think trump is melting down, and he's looking smaller and angrier as is j.d. vance as the crowds just get bigger. so this is really doing some major, psychological work on the former president, but i think it's also just not just about the democrats. this is a pro-democracy movement. >> mara gay, i think you have just hit the nail on the head. this is exactly what has been unleashed by vice president kamala harris. this is what the joy is about, right? it is about her because without her, right, it doesn't -- it doesn't have anywhere to go. but what people are, i think

feeling relieved about is that democracy has this really effective, really fearless really accomplished prosecutor against authoritarianism and people are afraid, not of trump because he is feeble and obvious now when he lies, but because the agenda was so hideous and because of the success of the propaganda integration with the republican party and the abdication of any other leaders in the party standing up and saying anything. it felt, to your point, it did feel like a wake for democracy and just talk about the opportunity that she has now in the next 89 days to ride this pro-democracy movement. >> yeah. you know, she's doing a great job, so far. we hope to see her answer some questions.

i believe that's probably coming, but she looks very comfortable on the trail. she looks very comfort believe in a union hall and she has to keep this coalition, which is a broad one together. she's got to start answering tough questions and she's doing it. i don't think it'sone together. she's got to start answering tough questions and she's doing it. i don't think it's going to be -- oh, gosh, i can't believe it's only 90 days and i think our heads are spinning over what we're seeing in the last month alone, but she, i believe, can probably pull it off, and i think this is a ticket that's only bringing more energy to the table. it's been remarkable to watch. i was somebody who was quite young when barack obama was running for president, and i remember the energy then. i lived in michigan in a swing state. this does feel similar. it feels also like vice

president harris understands this is a comfortable place for her to be in because she loves the country that we have, and i think a lot of this is about that, too. this is a big, diverse, fascinating country with people from all different backgrounds from around the world, and we should be proud of that. she looks like she's excited and those crowds are remarkable. >> let me see the crowds one more time. david jolly, the vanity of donald trump cannot survive this, and when you couple that with the labels. i mean, he's been branded whether he knows it or not, governor walz branded his -- his sort of line of attack in this frame of shrinking him, shrinkage, shrinking him down to size and what you saw was a

shriveled political figure and there was no messaging on the podium and just a guy who walked out to the dining room where he lives this is sort of the real trump revealed for the first time in nine years. >> nicole, with donald trump i truly think we are witnessing one of the -- if not the worst presidential campaigns in modern political history, and it's not the fault of his team, per se. sure, they can do more. it's the fault of the candidate. he is a terrible candidate and he's the wrong candidate for this moment. in 2016, despite the electoral college popular vote split, you could argue he was the right candidate for the moment. you need a time to rise. he is running a terrible campaign, perhaps the worst presidential campaign we've seen in modern history, and you know, think about it this way. there's a bit of a strategy in a lot of campaigns, particularly down the stretch which is you

start the day wanting to win the day, did you win the day? it's been 15 days since vice president harris was in the race and she's 15-0 and donald trump is 0 and 15. look at the meandering screed at mar-a-lago that was all about him or the vice president with the uaw celebrating the endorsement together as a coalition that want to move the country forward. it's night and day, and the one thing that perhaps donald trump needs, that challenge in front of him that a traditional candidate might realize, donald trump now needs this race to be about ideology, but he doesn't have one. where he does have one is out of touch with the majority of americans. donald trump almost needs this campaign on his side to be a reagan-like campaign about a conservative vision or a romney-ryan, almost wonky campaign where the true contrast works, not just the angry old man at mar-a-lago calling harris

and walz liberal progressives, that doesn't work in this moment, vice president harris and governor walz, someone that regardless of ideology, regardless of ideology, what mara was saying, we're all rowing in the same direction in defense of the country we love and donald trump, you just see him demeaning the country every day. if republicans had the ticket that could make the race about ideology, but republicans have the wrong ticket this year in trump-vance. they simply have the wrong ticket and they're losing every single day and they'll lose this race, as well. >> republicans paid attention to the republican primary more than, right? anybody else, and the message that the runner-up to donald trump delivered to republican primary voters until eight weeks ago which is whatever party abandons their 80-year-old candidate will win. so republicans aren't just

hearing this hopeful, futuristic message from harris and walz. they're not just seeing with their own eyes the massive crowds and people lining up at 4:00, 5:00 in the morning to get in to see harris speak. what i think mara put her finger on is this pro-democracy movement coming to life and trying to shake off some of the grief of post-covid and some of the anxiety of looming authoritarianism and not just a possible republican administration, but what the republican primary voters heard was that the person that would win was the one that got rid of their candidate in their eighth decade on earth and that's the democrat. the republican voters are also being spared by the harris-walz ticket. i thought part of what walz brought was this scalpel. he doesn't smear the right. you get the sense that they're probably some of his neighbor,

but he does take this very surgical approach to calling out trump and vance specifically, and i wonder if that is part of sort of what's going on in the mood of the country? >> i agree fully with you. i think in some ways, the age of president biden and donald trump was about age, but more often than not, it was a proxy for fitness and it was a proxy for vision and a proxy for the ability to lead in 2024, and that is where joe biden's age really got the best of him, perhaps, at least his policies were forward looking, but what you saw unleashed with vice president harris at the top of the ticket is the a mobilization and expansion of the coalition that mara talked about. joe biden's pro-democracy coalition was the soul of america coalition, and we were soft and we're seeing a softening among voters of color and younger voters and we are seeing the independent, persuadable voters comfortable with that coalition and the pro-democracy, biden, soul of

america coalition. when he stepped out and vice president harris steppeded in, you saw this new mobilization of young people, voters of color and the crowds we saw in atlanta and we saw in philadelphia and we continue to see. if there is any opportunity to continue to push that ceiling, it is part of the biden coalition that has yet to really get enthusiastic, but they're there. they're right there for the vice president and they're not there for donald trump. >> it's amazing. amazing conversation. thank you all so much. anthony scaramucci, jim mess ina thank you for starting us off. mara, stick around longer. there is a reason why he is so -- about the size of his crowds and waiting in long lines for vice president harris and to the vice president herself, he joins us next on all of it. don't go anywhere. of it don't go anywhere.

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>> it's been said already this hour that they are fired up and ready to go. there is palpable, measurable energy and excitement everywhere you look in the days since vice president harris became the nominee and announced minnesota governor tim walz as her runningmate. it's been turbo charged, they have transformed this race and they've know entired thousands upon thousands to show up in their rallies and often waiting in long lines starting early in the morning to do that. it's something walz acknowledged last night at their rally in detroit. take a listen. >> this is a place full of working folks, students, folks who care, and i think about this. you came out here early, found a place to park, stood in the sun and sat here in wait and you did it. you did it for one simple and eloquent and beautiful reason. you love this country! you love this country! [ cheering ]

>> let's bring in nbc's shaq brewster in michigan following the vice president's campaign today. shaq, first, just tell me about your conversation on the line about the vice president. >> well, we now have a debate set. an official debate set for september 10th and the vice president telling me on the rope line that she committed to the debate. she acknowledged what we heard from donald trump earlier today and saying that she will be there. i asked her about the two other dates that donald trump proposed or threw out there in the press conference earlier today. she did not address that and she did not say that she's doing any more than that one debate and we know that she will be on that debate stage on september 10th, nicole. >> she had sort of taunted him after he humina-humina with her say it to my face when he

insulted her. >> right. >> you've been the eyes and ears for some of the stories we covered and now are with some of the brightest and i wonder if you can tell me, sort of take me inside the sights and sounds ahead of and around a harris-walz rally. >> you know, nicole, i think the biggest word that kept coming up when i talked to people especially at that rally yesterday in oclaire where you had people waiting in line. it was the heat. they were excited to see the democratic ticket. the word coming up was relief and that's because people have seen signs of rallies before. you have energy and see big crowds before and when you talk about those people they were feeling depressed just two and a half weeks ago or so, and they say that the mood has shifted and you heard it in the sound there, and i think what you're starting to see is people and specifically democrats and people who are going to support the democratic ticket. they are now having a new sense of optimism. they're willing to go knock on those doors and they're willing

to volunteer and like talking about the political debate and i want you to listen to one of the kfrlgs with the group of voters that made their own shirts and they made their own home made shirts for vice president harris, for governor walz. listen to a little bit of what they said to me. >> what's bringing you here today? >> it's the first rally i've ever been to and she's so close. we just live a half hour, 45 minutes from here, and i believe in what her opinions are, and i just want to be a part of it. >> how optimistic are you now? >> i am very optimistic. >> what gives you that optimism? >> she can do it because she's the person that will help the american people and do the right thing. she's not going to do wrong things like someone else. i just really feel confident in

her. >> that's confidence that they said they, frankly, did not have before just a couple of weeks ago when president biden was at the top of the ticket. nicole, as soon as we saw the switch, when we first knew that president biden was dropping out of his reelection race and vice president harris was at the top of the ticket. you know the importance of milwaukee this was in the days after the republican convention and someone there told me she said she was depressed watching the republicans come together, the sense of unity and excitement that they had about their candidate and she said that now she feels that the democrats have that same sense of unity and there's a level of excitement and energy that you just simply didn't see before out there. >> shaq, stay with us. i want to bring in david jolly and mara gay back into the conversation. this is a candidate and a number two on the ticket firing on all cylinders, really, i think, mara, leading the pro-democracy

coalition which is broader than the democratic party through what shaq was describing. this real emotional roller coaster from low to incredibly high. i want to read you what i think is the sign of the vitality itself and viewers of this network were treated to an uninterrupted, i don't know how long it actually went, viewing of trump's press conference. i'll give you the uninterrupted fact check from the harris-walz campaign. this is what they released as it ended. donald trump took a break from taking a break to put on some pants and host a press conference/public meltdown. we have a lot to say about it with more to come. he hasn't campaigned all week and isn't going to a single swing state and he sure is mad at kamala harris and tim walz, and facts were hard to find in donald trump's mar-a-lago

meltdown this afternoon. he lied. he attacked the media. he made excuses for why he's off the campaign trail. we are here to help because his staff clearly is not, but first a reminder on the question donald didn't answer. how will he vote on the florida abortion referendum. he's been ducking this question since april. we worked to pin down reality so donald trump, bless his heart, doesn't have to. here are the fact, quote, we had 12,000 and 15,000 people in wisconsin and michigan yesterday respectively, not 2,000. the abc debate is september 10th, not the 25th. people have spoken to bigger crowds than donald trump, obama, clinton, literally anyone at lalapalooza, and world cup. it was decidedly nothing like mlk's i have a dream speech and he did not get a bigger crowd than martin luther king, jr. on that historic day. there was not a peaceful transfer of power in the 2020

election which donald trump fought to overturn. five police officers died because of january 6th. donald trump said he was off the trail this week because of the democratic convention. the convention is not happening this week. trump said they have commercials at a level no one else does. he's being drastically outspent on the airwaves. governor josh shapiro is actually a great guy. project 2025 author, the father of trump's cruel child separation policy is not a person to praise. jewish people should not have their head examined for not supporting him, that's actually antisemitic. trump is saying he's not complaining and he is, in fact, very much complaining. it goes on and on and it is the fact check america's been waiting for for nine years. this campaign, david jolly, getting this out the door within moments of the press conference ending. >> the harris campaign is firing on all cylinders and the trump campaign is in freefall and part of the freefall and we've talked about this and shaq reporting

there on the crowd size at the harris event, look, i'm not the best messenger for what i'm about to say, i realize that, but what is amaze, remarkable and really cool is the size of the crowds at harris and walz, the first-time rally goers, and the newly mobilized voters of color, the young women, the older women and the crowd feels and looks different and part of what donald trump cannot address is that there are new players on the field. there are new voters at play and none of them are his voters and this is where a reset doesn't require firing susie or chris. a reset requires republicans finding a new candidate and it's too late for that. donald trump cannot reach all of these new voters that you're seeing now mobilized for the harris-walz ticket and why you can continue to see him flail and the only strategy he has is his 2016 grievance strategy and his lies about crime, the border, democracy and go down

what the campaign put out. this guy's in trouble. donald trump is in trouble, and listen, if he loses this election he's going to jail. so for him personally, he's really in trouble and it is hard for him to see a way out of this right now. >> amazing, amazing, amazing day of news. david jolly, mara gay, shaq brewster, thank you for being with us. we'll talk to a former colleague of tim walz's. don't go anywhere. of tim walz's. don't go anywhere. your thyroid eye disease could still change. restoration is still possible. learn how you could give your eyes a fresh start at tedhelp.com. ♪ (man) oh, come on. ♪ (woman) ugh. (vo) trade in any phone, in any condition.

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i'm here because we believe in democracy. everyone's voice matters but i am speaking to you. i am speaking now. he intends to surrender our fight against the climate crisis and he intends to end the affordable care act. do you know what? if you want donald trump to win, then say that. otherwise, i'm speaking. >> for anyone questioning her ability to fire on all cylinders in an adlib unscripted moment, there you have it. if you want donald trump to win, then say that. a powerful unscripted moment from vice president kamala harris responding to pro-palestinian protesters at her event yesterday in detroit. our next guest served for ten years in washington, governor tim walz, whom he calls a brilliant pick. joining us now, director of the

cornell institute of politics and global affairs. steve, i love this from your op-ed. you once joked that he reminded you of a high school football coach and he shot back something like that, well, yeah, i was. talk about this pick. >> i did serve with tim for 10 of the 16 years that i was in the house of representatives. so many people have said wonderful things about him and some have said critical on the other side. i got to watch him, observe him up close. not just as a colleague in the house but when i served the democratic chair committee. i would turn to him for advice on who we should recruit in districts that weren't on the battlefield. they weren't considered competitive. we turned to him and asked him for vice on how do you message those moderate republican-leaning voters that he consistently won in minnesota when he flipped the district and

still wins in minnesota in his gubernatorial races. he was also what i call quietly operational. and you know many members of congress. million is are operational. some are quiet. whether it was an objective, usually in terms of veterans, or a political objective. he would just do it without the fanfare, he would just get it done. i do think that this was a brilliant choice by the vice president who slows the kind of judgment that you want in a national leader. >> where do you see the race today? >> it's really interesting. i love the interviews that you have of people who are fired up. and as one said, super stoked. i have to tell you that optimism doesn't win elections. there are three things that win elections. i was taught this by the master, nancy pelosi, when i chaired. you have to have a message. you've got to have money.

and you have to have the ability to mobilize. what you're seeing right now in the battleground states is all three coming together and adding to the fourth m, momentum. you see it in the money. $36 million raised by the campaign in the 24 hours after governor walz was elected. you see it in the clarity of message. we just saw it in that clip when the vice president was heckled. and you see it most of all in the mobilization. not just the record-breaking crowds, but the energy, the campaign headquarters that are opening. the people signing up to knock on doors and make calls and write postcards. all of that coming together explains why this race which was out of bands for us three weeks ago in those battleground states. we were behind by more than the margin of error. it explains why we are now tied in virtually every battleground state. maybe a little above, maybe a little behind. but always within the margin of

error. we are consolidating, and day at president trump's press conference is a campaign that is struggling to find its footing. to figure out how to wage an effective message, mobilization or raise money against this new democratic hurricane that is taking shape. >> i love that. democratic hurricane. we will continue to call on you. you see things that are not always obvious to the untrained eye. thank you for being part of our coverage today. great to see you. next for us, we'll head back to battleground michigan where uaw president is out again throwing the full support of his union members behind the harris-walz ticket. don't go anywhere. rris-walz tict don't go anywhere. 25% on movin storage until august 12 and see why pods has been trusted with over 6 million moves. but don't wait, use promo code big25 to save.

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s. we know whatever we stand for. and that's a big part of this campaign. you know, when you know what you stand for, you know what to fight for. we know what we stand for. and we stand for the people. and we stand for the dignity of work. and we stand for freedom. we stand for justice. we stand for equality. and so we will fight for all of it. >> hi again, everyone. rocket fuel has nothing on what has propelled the harris-walz ticket into the political

stratosphere of the last few days. enthusiasm, clarity, and clearly, democrats have a full tank of all of that right now. the real might of their candidacy goes beyond this palpable excitement, as vital as that is. in reality the true strength of their campaign, the thing that is really freaking trump out is the sweeping no-doubt about it locked in coalition they're assembling right before our very eyes. today's event near detroit was designed to speak directly to one of the most vital pillars of their coalition. union households. so instrumental in building up the united states as we know it. it is no secret, of course, that president joe biden who early in his career formed a covenant with working men and women. he enjoyed great support from the country's unions. you'll remember late last year, he became the first sitting president to appear on a picket line, further endearing himself to ought workers and union households more broadly.

now it is vice president harris and her running mate governor tim walz looking to take up that mantle to earn it. >> this is a bit of preaching to the choir but the choir needs to sing right now. the choir needs to sing. we know that unions built the middle class. the rest of america has to. do you know who doesn't believe that? donald trump. he sees the world entirely differently and it really starts with this. when i look at community and neighbors and unions and the word that shawn said, unity. this guy doesn't know the first thing about unity or service. >> the bottom line about uaws, i'll say to all the friends, even if you're not a member of the union, you'd better thank unions. a five-day workweek. you'd better thank unions for that eight-hour workday. you'd better thank unions for that vacation time. so i'm here to say thank you.

thank you, thank you, thank you to the sisters and brothers of uaw for all you are and all we will do over these next 89 days. god bless you. god bless you. god bless you. >> over the past few days, a number of labor unions applauded the vice president's selection of tim walz to serve as her running mate. the ibew, the afl-cio, service employees international union who praised the minnesota miracle, laws passed last year, and the united automakers including its president, shawn fain. that's governor walz on the picket line supporting picket workers last october. so whale real authentic enthusiasm continues to drive the democratic ticket ever forward, it appears the candidates understand the truth. it will take more than excitement to win in november. it will take a promise to the american worker and their families to do right by them.

it's where we start the hour with the president of the united automobile workers, shawn fain, back with us. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having us. >> so we spoke with you after vice president harris became the nominee but before governor tim walz became her running mate. just tell me, i know this is what so many are enthusiastic about. help our audience understand why. >> look, you know, the harris-walz ticket, they're one of us. both of them have working class roots. vice president harris talked about her job working at mcdonald's when she was younger. governor walz is a teacher ermt that. >> reporter: >> reporter: >> our public schools have been under attack by the republican party. he understands the value of work. they've always stood with labor

and so you know, we're ecstatic about the pick of governor walz and the harris-walz ticket. i believe we're going to win and win big. >> i watched all of this event today and you have in the president -- i'm sorry, vice president harris and governor walz, you have two really skilled politicians who talk about sort of the forward-looking things they're going to do and paint the contrast. and on the contrast, you and i talked last time about project 2025. it guts labor. it guts labor protections. just talk about the importance for your members and their families and understanding the stakes in november. >> look, this election is about everything. it is simple. for us, it is a very simple decision. you have two sides in this fight. you have the harris-walz team. working class people. union or not, they're doing the right thing. they're talking about a vision

where workers do better. under trump, we all know what he is. he's a lap dog for the billionaire class. he always has been. he's never stood for working class people and he never will. he's taking $45 million a month from elon musk. all of a sudden he changed his position on electric vehicles. all that means is donald trump is bought and paid for by the highest bidder. and under a harris-walz ticket, america is not for sale. the people will be the ones that will be put first. >> shawn, the trump message has been to sow division. he likes to -- >> he does. >> he likes to talk the talk. he doesn't walk the walk with cultural wedge issues. how do you guard against the disinformation and those wedge issues that i'm sure trump will resort to in the next 89 days in. >> look, we just have to speak the truth. it's the oldest trick in the

book. it's what the wealthy class has done. divide the masses. they've divide us over race, over who somebody loves, the borders. where someone comes from. anything they can pick. it's the oldest tactic in the book to keep us separated and away from what is really happening. the wealthy are running away with the profits and working class people are being left behind. we hear about the border crisis. it's no crisis at the record with. it's a humanitarian crisis. it's the same everywhere. workers have been left behind. this is about working class people taking their lives back. >> shawn, can you just describe for me any difference that you're seeing in terms of energy and activism over the last three weeks? >> i mean, think about it. when president biden was here three weeks ago, there were 3,000 people. yesterday there were 15,000 people. that place was rocking.

kamala harris is a dynamic, brilliant, strong, amazing woman. i'll save my breath from what i said yesterday. she's a bad-ass woman. a leader. and governor walz, the same thing. governor walz is top notch. he was a teacher, a football coach, a governor. they get it. they're working class. they're one of us. they know what people go through. and to me, that's why we see this energy. people look at those two and they see themselves. who looks at donald trump or j.d. vance and says i see myself other than a millionaire or a billionaire? nobody does. >> i'm not even sure they look at each other and feel that way. the vice president, you're sort of, you're at the intersection of all of the big political stories happening. and it was at that event where you are right now where the vice president, i think, learned that trump had basically responded to her invitation to say it to her

face. he's been racist, he's been sexist, he's been himself, basically, in his attacks against her. he did today in a meandering press conference that i'm sure you were too busy to monitor. the only news he made was committing to the debate that she said she will be there for. what do you feel like her greatest opportunity is at that debate? what do you think your members are looking for from her? >> look, i just think if if trump isn't scared to debate her, look. i think she's just going to be who she is. that's her strength. she is an amazing woman. she's a brilliant woman. and i think all of america will see, you know, she's about bringing this nation together. she's about fighting for the people and she's talking about unity. all donald trump talks about is divide, how we divide people,

villainizing people over whatever the issue is. i think she sticks to who she is and donald trump is always going to be what he is. and i think the american people when they see that, it will paint a really good picture for who needs to be our president. that's kamala harris. >> it seems like kamala harris and tim walz have a lot of sort of political bonds. they also have the benefit of constantly being underestimated. you see it in not just the message being spot on. not just the fact they know who they are and where they come from, but the ability to kind of adlib. and i wonder if you can speak to this real appeal of being underestimated. >> yeah, look, when i took over as president a year and a half ago, we had 90 days until we started our big three bargaining. and we won. we won big.

we had 100 days when we kicked off our volkswagen drive until we kicked off an election and we won. i told our members today, we've got 89 days. and we're going to continue to win. and you know, i think that's why they resonate so well with working class people and with our members. when you talk to them, you see them, you see yourself. they're real. when people identify with candidates like that, i believe it will be a good result. >> yeah. they're sort of unapologetically positive which you can't imagine having even uttered that phrase ten years ago. our politics have become mired in so much negativity. there is something sort of unapologetically warm and welcoming. i wonder if you can speak to the sailence of that, of this joyful warrior vibe that you get from this ticket. >> yeah, they are who they are.

look, i mean, we saw what trump does. my god, in a pandemic, he literally called it a hoax. millions of people were dying. he just points a finger. he always has so much to blame for what's going on. he can never look in a mirror. kamala harris and tim walz, they've got solutions. they're unapologetic about it because they know. they know the mission. they know what americans are going through. they're not sitting back pointing fingers. they're going to work. donald trump talks. i say this, he talks the talk. when it comes to action he's no where to be found. he's missing in action. kamala harris and governor walz have a history of walking the walk. they satisfy action and they get results. that's what matters to people. >> yeah, to your point, trump isn't even campaigning. he's sort of explicably taping

things in montana. >> thank you so much for having me. >> when we come back, two legal giants taking part in a high-profile and vitally important task force aimed at protecting our very democracy against the rise of authoritarianism. one of our favorite guests, former federal judge michael ludic is here. plus, there is reporting about how close donald trump really is to project 2025 and why his denials about knowing nothing about the far right movement for a second trump term rings very, very hollow. later in the broadcast, one of kamala harris's dearest childhood friends will be our guest. we'll ask her about the politics of joy that we have seen on the campaign trail from the vice president and the huge, massive crowds and enthusiasm for her

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powering possibilities. just as doctors were on the front lines of the nation's response to the covid-19 pandemic, lawyers must now answer the clarion call to defend america's call to democracy and the rule of law. so reads a part of a new statement by a bipartisan task force organized by the american bar association. a group calling on the 1.3 million lawyers in this country to safeguard our democracy from the threat of rising authoritarianism. the task force is led by

conservative former federal judge mike luddig and jay johnson. he said that lawyers are not only uniquely skilled but obligated to defend the country. quote, too many of us have taken our democracy, our rule of law, our civic norms and our freedoms for granted and have not done the hard work required to keep a free and fair democratic republic. the threats we are facing are real and they are existential. those threats are on full display in the battleground state of georgia in which just the past two days saw the state election board vote to change the criteria to certify elections as well as to revive an inquiry into fulton county's 2020 presidential recount. the co-chairs of the american bar association task force for american democracy. thank you so much for being here with us. >> thank you. >> thank you for having us with

you this afternoon. >> let me ask you, maybe a rudely blunt question, you all know that's a possibility with me. it feels like lawyers did the most damage to our democracy. i mean, john eastman is the architect of the coup. is this an effort to fight back and put lawyers are the side of defending democracy? or is it an acknowledgement that lawyers are uniquely dangerous if they're channeled in an or the, authoritarian way. >> it's both. without any question a score or more of american lawyers played an ignoble role in the presidential election in 2020. and the rest of the 1.3 million lawyers here in america are

bearing the burden of that egregious lawyerly conduct four years ago. but as you know, for reasons that we all know, nicole, american democracy and the rule of law are under attack. they are perilous at the moment again for reasons that we all know. but on january 6th, 2021, the former president drove a stake through american democracy and it has been teetering on a knife's edge ever since. so that today as the president and now his political party have continued to deny january 6th and defy americans' democracy, millions of americans still believe as he has told them that

the election of 2020 was stolen from him. millions of americans today as a consequence no longer believe in the fairness and integrity of american elections. and what's worse, today millions of americans question whether democracy itself is the proper form of government for the united states of america. that's why i believe that this election is a test of americans' commitment to america's democracy and the rule of law. it's up to the american people now to decide whether they support and defend their democracy and rule of law or whether they do not. >> mr. secretary, when you see the trump campaign basically

implode upon itself, and you hear donald trump give the public explanation that he's way ahead, he's not way ahead in any poll available. and the battleground states are close. it looks like as someone who has been on a lot of campaigns, politically speaking, a political dogfight. do you have any doubt that the refusal to certify the result will be his political strategy? >> nicole, first of aurlgs i have to fact-check you. judge luttig is the legal giant. he's the modern day and i'm honored to be his co-chair in this effort. but you touched on something very important. our system of electoral college in close elections means that the outcome of a presidential election dances on the head of a pin. this election will almost certainly be decided in

somewhere between five and seven states, and the critical juncture is the process through which we count those votes and then select electors to represent the states when they convene in washington, d.c. for the actual count. so there are points in this process where someone engaging in a criminal conspiracy, an anti-democratic effort could try to alter the result of a national election. they tried it in 2020. they failed. and as you pointed out, lawyers were part of the problem. they were part of conspiracy. and now we're calling on lawyers to be part of the solution. lawyers take an oath to support and defend the constitution in various different forms and all of our states, and we're calling upon lawyers to step up, voluntary, speak out.

because far too many americans, as we see it, are taking for granted the virtues of living in a democracy. >> what is your sense of the state of readiness of the legal piece? i mean, there's been reporting on this plan to not certify results. donald trump at his rallies is now publicly calling out the trump allies and election deniers who have succeeded in infiltrating and taking over these -- well, they are ministerial in function and duty. but trump obviously doesn't see them that way but he's calling them out. what is our state of readiness on the legal side to counter what they clearly plan to do? which is create chaos. >> nicole, just over two years ago, in my testimony before the

january 6th committee, i warned america that the former president and his allies were preparing in plain view to attempt to overturn the 2024 election in the same way that they had tried to overturn the 2020 election. but this time, they would succeed. at that point, two years ago, the country wasn't ready at all. and i'm afraid that it is only a little more ready today than it was then. there's still two months, two or three months before the election. there's plenty of time still. that's what the american bar association and the task force

is all about. preparing the country for that election, and there are many other democracy groups across the country who are preparing and readying the nation for that november 5th election. >> mr. secretary, you have sort of been at the helm of understanding the threats to the homeland. they've changed dramatically over the last 25 years from a post 9/11. if you see something, say something, was about protecting our neighbors, our communities and our subways and our buses from the threat of foreign terrorism. now, according to donald trump's own hand-picked fbi director, it is protecting the country from domestic violent extremists and he says in that bucket, the largest number of threats come from the right. what do you do to protect the legal process, not just from

mischief and maneuvering and chaos but also to prevent political violence on a larger scale than we had on january 6th. >> so part of our focus on this task force has been what more can we do to protect election workers. what more can we change in law to give them added security, enhance penalties for trying to interfere with the election process. you touched on something, nicole, that as a security person, i've been focused on in our effort which is, there is very definitely a rising tide of overheated political rhetoric in this country condoning, calling for or supporting violence. and at the same time, there is a rising tide of actual political violence in this country culminating, of course, july 13th, the attempted assassination of president trump.

those two things are not a coincidence. we have created for ourselves an environment in which the deranged few among us feel vindicated in some way by taking an ar-15 and trying to assassinate our political leaders. so part of what we're calling on leaders to do, our attorneys to do is to tamp down. lawyers are good at conflict resolution. and i see this as a major security threat to our democracy and to the people who participate in our democracy. >> well, judge, let me ask you. in late of that culminating event, have you seen any more enthusiasm to be part of bringing the temperature down? calling out and saying we will not tolerate political violence as well as calling out lies and disinformation that sit at the root of them from your former republican friends and

colleagues who have come to support donald trump? >> no, i have not, nicole. of course, i all but pled with republicans and republican leaders two years ago to end the war on america's democracy that was instigated by the former president on january 6th, 2021. it would have been easy to do. but not one to may knowledge, not one person of the political leadership of the republican party has attempted to do so. nicole, i do want to say before we close that our founding fathers and the framers of our constitution feared most of anything in the world this moment in american history.

they fathered that in this moment, they feared in this moment americans would be tempte the demagoguery of the demagogues and squander american democracy itself. and that is we are we are today. america's democracy is teetering on a knife's edge. >> you both have used this knife's edge and the head of a pin. and i'm going to use it as an opportunity to say i know you're both very busy. i hope we can continue to call on you in this moment over the next 89 days to talk us through it. to both offer a lot of wisdom and calm. we need you. thank you for joining us. >> okay. >> okay. when we come -- to be continued. when we come back, donald trump wants you to believe he has

nothing to do with project 2025. he's hardly even heard of it. but again, that's blown out by the facts. there is more new reporting in the "washington post" that reports more new evidence of how big of a lie that is. and moments ago, vice president harris taking questions from reporters in detroit. let's listen. >> president trump had a press conference today. your reaction? >> i'm glad he's finally agreed to a debate on september 10th. i'm looking forward to it. i hope he shows up. >> are you open to more debates? >> i'm happy to have that conversation after september 10th. >> two more? >> happy to have that conversation. >> why do you think he pulled out of the debate? >> i am beyond trying to speculate how he thinks. >> can you comment on his other criticisms? he made a whole litany of them

today. >> i was too busy talking to voters. i didn't hear him. >> some of them was about your vice presidential pick and the national guard for 2024 years. he said he deserted his own colleagues. his troops. >> i applaud anyone who has served their country and i think we all should. >> there have been a lot of questions. >> thank you so much.

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project 2025. a 900-page put out by the heritage foundation. what is your response to what is in it and what would you like to say about the role it is playing in your campaign? >> it's a group of very, very conservative people and they wrote a document that many of the points are fine. many of the points are absolutely ridiculous. i have nothing to do with the document. i've never seen the document. i've seen certain things that are said in it. this is a document that i know nothing about. it is called project 25. i heard about it a week ago. >> so over on earth, you can say stuff like that. those folks aren't going to say anything. they won't fact-check him.

for the sake of time we'll fact-check just some of it. i heard about it a week ago. we know the leader of project 2025 says otherwise and he has the receipts. kevin roberts, the head of that ultra right wing heritage foundation, the group responsible for project 2025, telling the "washington post" that he met with the expresident two years ago in april of 2022. here's a photo obtained by the "washington post" taken on the private flight the two took on their way to a heritage foundation conference where trump delivered the key note address that previewed some of the forthcoming policy proposals from the group. roberts telling the post this. i i have personally talked to president trump about project 2025 because my role in the project has been to make sure that all of the candidates who have responded to our offer for a briefing on project 2025 get one from me. a trump campaign spokesperson told the "washington post" that roberts never briefed trump on

project 2025. joining us, isaac, whose byline on that fantastic new piece of reporting. just answer this for me. why when project 2025 with the framework behind all the things that trump blurts and burps out, why is he suddenly running from it? >> because democrats are using it to attack him. he is trying to distance himself from it as it becomes a political liability. but the reality is as we have reported many times, even though trump has said he's not personally involved in the development of these plans, more than 100 people who worked with his administration were, and some of those people he specifically said he would love to have back in a second trump administration if there is one.

some of the areas of difference, there is already a lot of overlap between the official campaign positions and the proposals in project 2025. and then today, one of the few areas of departure was something that the democrats have focused on which is the proposal to use the act to restrict shipments of abortion medication through the mail and that is one of the major things that trump was trying to distance himself from. in today's press conference, he actually said he supported that for the first time. >> of course he does. it feels like he's doing what did he with his intel. he didn't read the intel. he didn't read the 900 pages doesn't mean these aren't his ideas sort of sketched out in sentences and paragraphs. what is your sense of where this went wrong? because trump is typically so unapologetic about even his most

extreme views on, for example, abortion. >> it went long. when it occurred to me it was a big deal is when we were hearing it from voters. voters, regular people, americans, were saying oh my god, project 2025. it's not common that books published by the heritage foundation or think tank white papers get that resonance with real people. that wasn't an accident. that was because the democrats were making a big deal about it and that message was getting through. and i know a lot of people involved in project 2025 loved when msnbc or whoever was talking about it, they loved that there was a dnc mobile billboard outside the headquarters all the time. then they start getting criticized by trump, that's when

they had an issue with it. that's when it became a problem for them. >> i love that, when they thought it was a liberal owning the libs thing, they were super gleeful. just the hubris of putting all of trump's ideas in black and white and then being mad that voters didn't like it. so astounding. it feels like the doj and the fbi sections are only things that trump has talked about. it even has the word russia hoax in it. what success is trump having in walking away from it? >> well, again, there is so much overlap between the actual proposals in project 2025 and the actual things in the republican party platform and the agenda 47 that trump puts on there. it is like putting the implementation details on what trump says in a stump speech. he's not a details person. so there's a way in which

they're trying to have it both ways, right? that if he wins, and he has this staff and administration and they want to be effective from the get-go, these are realistically the people he'll be turning to. and he may or may not use the draft executive orders that they've been working on but that will be considered. but in the meantime, while they're still focused on trying to win that election, they want a hand wave and distance themselves and not have to answer questions for stuff that in fairness, they didn't themselves do. that other people did. >> other people like trump's closest adviser. thank you for your reporting on this. when we come back, we'll meet a long-time childhood friend of vice president kamala harris's. what she wants america to know about her dear friend and the reaction and exuberance the vice

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president kamala harris's running mate on the joy she has injected back into our politics after the dark know of donald trump. the yoi is seemingly infectious. you can feel it in the cheering crowds at her rallies, in her campaign spots, and radiating from the podium out of every speech she's given on the campaign trail. take a look. >> good evening. good evening! >> the path to the white house runs right through this state. we are joyful warriors. joyful warriors. >> we believe in freedom. do we believe in opportunity? do we believe in the promise of america? and are we ready to fight for it?

>> let's bring in long-time childhood friend of vice president kamala harris's author of "friends from the beginning." thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me, nicole. >> so what is this like for you to watch her? obviously she's always been successful. but this is a political phenomenon and the world is watching. >> absolutely. imean, it is in one sense, surreal. but on another, i mean, it feels like divine intervention in a way. it feels like it's more than a movement. i mean, it just seems like her entire career path, her life journey has led her to this point. and you know, kamala harris has always been a very, very special

person. she's always had a magnanimous personality. the kind of person that you just feel good and really happy to be around. and hearing you say joy, bringing joy back, that happens to be one of the chapters in my book. and you know, she is one that is uniting people. she is connected. she has always been that way. so it's just beautiful. >> you know, she's also doing it with real clear eyes. one of the lines at her giant speech was, we're the underdogs. and she seems to sort of match this soaring language soaring l desperation to feel good again but our politics with real political reality, that she's got -- i mean, today i think she said she's got 89 days and it's about the work and understanding hard work. just talk about -- i mean, we

all see when we get to broadcast her political talents but talk about maybe what people are underestimated, and that's her political acumen. >> so you used the word underdog, and ever since we were little girls kamala has always had a fighting spirit and, you know, the kind of person who will stand up for the underdog and who will take on bullies. she has been that way her entire life and throughout her entire career. i just think that, you know, there is so much hope now and people are excited about politics. she has always connected very well with children and the youth so it's so encouraging seeing people, particularly our youth wanting to participate and having that enthusiasm about politics again.

>> one of the things that burst into public view was at her very first campaign event she went to the wilmington campaign headquarters and i'm sure you were watching. president joe biden called in, he still had covid. it's clear that her loyalty to him and her bond with him, he told her, he said, i'm watching you, kid. i love you. i think it's clear they are close. it's clear that she was the best surrogate after the debate and up to the moment when president biden decided to step off the ticket. talk about her relationship with joe biden. >> one of the things that i admire most about kamala is she has always been a steadfast loyal friend, loyal partner, loyal teammate. and, i mean, that was a true testament to her character.

you know, she is the kind of person that she feels very deeply. you know, she is -- she's a very compassionate person. she's a very thoughtful person and a very considerate person. and when she says that she loves joe biden, she means it from her heart. and we love her. i mean, you know, this is more than a job or an appointment. she believes wholeheartedly in working hard for the people. she has always been kamala working hard for the people. that is who she is. that is her passion and her purpose, and she brings her whole, you know, total self in it, her humanity. >> it's so great to get to talk to you and to sort of see that what people are responding to

is -- you know, i think politics is a giant x-ray. it's what the voters are seeing. stacy, so great to have you here. thank you for spending time with us today. >> thank you so much. thank you for having me. >> another break for us. we'll be right back. d see why p been trusted with over 6 million moves. but don't wait, use promo code big25 to save. visit pods.com today. we are living with afib. and over 400,000 of us have left blood thinners behind... ...for life. we've cut our stroke risk and said goodbye to our bleeding worry. with the watchman implant. watchman. it's one time, for a lifetime. you founded your kayak company because you love the ocean-

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