you finally got a taste of what that could be like. even olympics we get new events. this cycle we have breaking. talk to me about breaking and if you'd like to demonstrate, we have some time left. >> i'm not going to demonstrate for you just because it would pale in comparison to anything you might be able to do. >> there you go. >> reporter: however, i will give you -- and this is really interesting, you know, it's an art form, right? it's a dance, but they are being evaluated on a number of different criteria, and some of them are a little confusing. i'm going to read them off to you. there's technique, vocabulary, execution, musicality, and originality. now, i'm not sure what vocabulary is, maybe it's just sort of the spectrum of things that you're able -- that you're able to do, but it's interesting, it's one on one showdowns, and they -- which they call battles, and then the breakers actually don't know the music before it's played, so they have to do a little interpretation as they go. it's exciting. you know, listen, there's a lot of history in the olympics, but obviously organizers are looking to a new generation of fans, and

they're hoping that something like breaking will get those fans excited. >> yeah, why not. i'll watch. stephanie gosk, thank you for your reporting. that's going to do it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." "chris jansing reports" starts right now. good friday, i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. call it the latest sign of momentum for the harris/walz campaign, capping off a wildly successful first week on the trail. those camo hats you've probably seen, "the new york times" reports they're sold out racking up $2 million in sales in just two days. the campaign takes that momentum to arizona today. how far can it take harris and other democrats? new mexico senator martin heinrich will talk to me about that and whether it's helping his race as well as others. plus, donald trump, a new opponent and an old game plan.

can he stick to the no pivot plan and how does his trip to ruby red montana help his campaign? . and trump's election interference trial delayed again after special counsel jack smith said he needs more time. how questions raised by the supreme court immunity ruling have now pushed the next step in trump's d.c. trial off until september. but we start with kamala harris and donald trump, both headed west this weekend, but by almost every other measure on two totally different tracks from what they're saying to how they're saying it and even where they're going to be. harris will be in arizona tonight, her fourth battleground state this week. trump is holding a rally in montana a state he won by an average of 18 points the the last two times out. he continues to warn about an apocalyptic future. at his press event yesterday he said our country is, quote, very, very sick right now. harris on the other hand is building her campaign around joy and a focus on freedom and the

future. >> we want to recognize the right all people have to freedom and liberty to make choices, especially those that are about heart and home and not have their government telling them what to do. we're not falling for these folks who are trying to divide us, trying to separate us, trying to pull us apart. that's not where the strength lies. >> harris's effort to build contrast is actually working in two ways, not only is it a shift away from trump who seems intent on sticking to the rhetoric that lost him that election four years ago. but also from president biden whose focus on democracy in peril never seemed to motivate voters the way his campaign thought it would. aaron gilchrist is in glendale, arizona, where harris's rally is taking place. bram resnick covers politics.

and amy klobuchar in 2020. good to have all of you here. aaron, what is harris's message to sun belt states like arizona? >> reporter: well, chris, i think you'll hear a message similar to what you heard from the vice president on other stops this week. the difference here, the campaign indicates that this part of the country, arizona and nevada in particular, are rich with diverse rot voter populati. we're talking about younger voters, latino voters, black voters, those are groups that this campaign will be targeting when it comes to glendale to speak about the issues that the campaign believes are important. those are issues around economics. they want to hear what the plan is for them in terms of lowering costs, in terms of creating more jobs. we also know that voters in this area are interested in hearing about issues related to reproductive freedom.

that's something that the harris campaign has been talking about on the campaign trail all this week and we'll hear more today in arizona. it is very likely there will be an abortion ballot measure on the ballot for voters here come november. the other issue that's important for voters here, and it will be interesting to see to what degree vice president harris and her running mate governor tim walz talk about it, is the immigration border security issue. it hasn't been something that's been a big winning topic for democrats to this point, but the vice president just today release add new campaign ad particularly here in arizona and nevada that addresses border security, that talks about her record as a prosecutor going after drug cartels and gang members and it also talks about what she would do if she were to win the white house in november in terms of hiring more border agents and trying to crack down on fentanyl and human trafficking as well. it will be interesting to see how that resonates with the all important independent voter here in arizona. there was recent data that came

out showing about 33% of registered voters here in arizona are independent voters, more than registered democrats here, and so that's a group that's critically important that the vice president will really have to appeal to. the campaign says they've seen a ground swell of support in recent weeks since vice president harris became the candidate for the democrats. we'll be watching to see what she says tonight and how those independent voters that may be in the room and outside the room respond to her. >> aaron, out in the heat for us in glendale, thank you so much for that. appreciate it. tim, let me ask you about this washington post editorial, that was about the focus of harris's campaign. here's part of what it said. she is positioning himself simultaneously as the incumbent defending hard-won freedoms and the anti-incumbent promiing to usher in a different feature. both future and freedom are rorschach terms on which voters who are unsure about harris can project their own hopes. can she ride that to election

day or does she have to put a little more meat on the bone? >> yeah, look, i think for vice president harris, she is doing things like emphasizing the wins of the biden/harris administration. she's also outlining a path forward. we see this in how she talks about the threats to democracy. governor tim walz who's now the vp candidate pioneered this attack that the guys on the other side are just kind of weird. they want to be in your exam rooms. they want to decide what books you're allowed to read, and particularly as they travel to arizona, it's critically important to send that message to independent voters, to libertarian leaning voters, voters who have that streak in the sun belt states and that's why you've seen also black voters, latino voters, young voters coalesce around the harris campaign. >> bram, how are you? i don't know who's giving trouble, but i've lived that every day in the newsroom, so i feel your pain.

it's good to see you, and also i did 17 years in local news, so i know what it is to be in a state and have a lot of experience with voters. so i want to focus in on that. the last poll i saw in arizona was late july. harris was up by 2, i'm sure it is within the margin of error. it shows economy and immigration are top for voters in arizona. they are like that in a lot of places. so as you know and talk to voters there, what's the kind of message they're looking for? what are the concerns you hear that they want a president to fix? >> first of all, economy, housing, immigration, and resigned right now there's kind of a honeymoon period for kamala harris. the democratic base is fired up here like never before, something we have never seen in years. younger voters are fired up according to a recent poll that shows kamala harris ahead by three points. again, within the margin of

error, but once again, arizona is a tossup. so i think there's a lot of kind of waiting. when will this period end and when will she address those three specific issues? as we heard a minute ago, there's a new ad out talking about kamala harris now embracing the toughest border security bill in decades that stalled in congress largely because of donald trump. democrats have a hard time defending what she's done over the last several years with this border portfolio she was given. they immediately default to that bill that got stalled that donald trump wanted to be stalled. so that's how immigration is going to play out. she's going to have to answer questions, though, in news conferences, interviews, specifically about what she did and how the border got to the place it's in right now. the economy and housing may be tougher issues at the federal level, but certainly the economy, inflation is a big deal here. phoenix was a hardest hit city for a while there with rising

inflation. so that really matters and i think there's a lot of waiting for answers to those questions. >> tim, let's talk a little bit about the border. she has taken probably some of the hardest hits on that issue. the president of the national border patrol council went after her yesterday at an event in chandler, arizona. i want to play a little bit of what he had to say. >> harris refused to implement any of the policies, programs, or operations that were given to her that would have addressed this issue. that is extremely frustrating, especially now that she is going to try to redefine herself. she had the policies, she could have implemented the policies that fit within her parameters, and she refused to do it. >> so tim, how does she answer that? and frankly, as someone who worked on campaigns headed by two women, does that complicate things in any way?

>> yeah, well, look, the border patrol has endorsed the bipartisan piece of legislation that would surge resources at the border, that would lead to a reduction in trafficking in fentanyl, and donald trump is the one who tanked that. i would also say that we have seen a rapid decrease since the executive order from the biden harris administration, extremely low on authorized border crossings, the administration has taken action on that. i would also say in arizona you have border city mayors who have endorsed her regarding this issue. you also have republicans in the state who have endorsed her regarding this issue. you see in the advertising that they're up with today, part of her history is that as attorney general she prosecuted transnational gang members. she has a record to run on, and she's forward-looking about the solutions here, and i think that's what's important here. >> braham senator mark kelly did not get the job as harris's

running mate. a lot of people had a lot of reasons why he should. what's the feeling in arizona about the fact that he didn't, and also do you think he can be a significant factor in helping her for november? >> he definitely can be a big factor, especially when it comes to the border. he's been pretty tough on the biden administration in the past. he said when joe biden wanted to get rid of title 42 as a dumb move. he's a pretty straight dealer. he's in touch with a lot of border mayors, the border communities behind the scenes. he's not flashy, he's not the kind of attack dog they may have wanted for the number two, the running mate position. he's not up there with the shapiro or a walz as a speaker. but i think he can offer a lot of credibility. i'll add that among organized democrats, there was somewhat a sense of relief because if he had been elevated to the running mate job, if kamala harris won the election in november, there

would have been an open seat in the senate up for grabs in arizona in 2026, a midterm election, and arizona democrats were a little leery about their hopes, their chances of keeping that seat in '26 and i'm sure chuck schumer was also a little leery of that as well. >> we're going to be talking a lot about arizona over the next 90 days. i hope you'll come on the program again. tim hogan, you're going to stay with me. coming up in 90 seconds, are republicans struggling to figure out how to effectively attack harris and walz, the new signs of strategic confusion we're seeing from the former president and his party. we're seeing from the former president and his party. you know who knows what she wants? me! with empower, we get all of our financial questions answered. so you don't have to worry. empower. what's next. you've got a pepto predicament, ace. you overdid it on the loaded fries and now your gut is in the gutter. undo it with pepto fast melts. so you can keep on rolling.

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today weeks after kamala harris became donald trump's opponent, republicans are struggling to define their opposition strategy. trump himself says there will be no pivot and his list of grievances and attacks does indeed sound familiar. >> we are in great danger. we're in great danger of being in world war iii. that could happen. kamala's record is horrible. she's a radical left person at a level that nobody's seen. she doesn't know how to do a news conference. she's not smart enough to do a news conference, and i'm sorry, we need smart people to lead this country. in history, for any country nobody's had crowds like i have, and you know that. nobody's spoken to crowds bigger

than me. if you look at martin luther king when he did his speech, his great speech and you look at ours, same real estate, same everything, same number of people if not we had more. >> house republicans meantime who spent 20 months investigating president biden aren't sure what to do now that he's not the nominee, and even florida governor ron desantis at a press conference compared himself to tim walz and how the two of them handled covid in their states. >> i never thought it would end up where someone would make the misjudgment of actually putting him on a ticket. >> quite the opposite take from conservative columnist peggy noonan in "the wall street journal". quote, for the first time this week i thought people were wondering about the impact of mr. trump's age. he is 78. he hasn't been able to focus, make his case. is he in another irony of 2024

turning into joe biden? joining me now, "new york times" chief white house correspondent and msnbc political analyst, peter baker. i wonder, peter, from what you're hearing, does the trump campaign believe it can win in 2024 using the same strategy in 2020 when they lost? >> well, it depends who you talk to, of course. the people around trump have ideas about how he how old proceed and then there's trump himself, right? everybody understands if you work for trump that he's going to run the campaign the way he wants to. he may listen to advice. he may momentarily, you know, show some discipline one way or the other. in the end trump is going to be trump. he wants to go back to the golden oldies. yesterday's press conference felt like a repeat of things we've heard for nine or ten years. it was the same arguments over and over again. the same language, the same structure, the same insult, and just focus on a new target, but it doesn't feel fresh or new, and i think a lot of people around trump and particularly

republican allies who aren't necessarily around trump feel frustrated that he's allowing this to start to slip away. >> i mean, in one case if you wanted to defend it, you could say, look, a lot happened in a very short period of time, but it is such a dramatic shift, at the convention just days right after the assassination attempt, republicans weren't just united, they also kind of seemed on point, right? maybe until the second two-thirds of his speech at the convention, but also they knew the possibility was very real that joe biden would step down. so do you see them not just with donald trump but as a whole having a tough time pivoting? >> well, look, you know, the generational argument suddenly is on the other foot as peggy noonan wrote are, that instead of being able to go after senile joe and all those things that he would say about him now suddenly trump is the one on the receiving end of that, and she has managed to do that in an effective way, not necessarily talking about his capacity or cognitive issues, but stressing

this is a future versus past kind of argument, which is kind of ironic, of course, because she's the incumbent vice president. she's presenting herself as a change agent that's helped by her relative youth compared to trump. i think the exhaustion factor on the part of a lot of americans who have lived through nine years of trump and would like to move on. that doesn't mean she's going to be able to hold onto that. momentum is a fickle thing, we've seen that, at one point we thought trump would pretty much have locked it up. and now suddenly the momentum is on the other foot. we've got 90 days, 85 days, whatever it is to go and anything can happen. but for the moment she's trying to turn that argument against him. it's a fresh generation, new generation versus the guy that polls show most americans are kind of tired of and wish would go away. >> yeah, and there was something else interesting that i noted and everybody who watched the press avail yesterday noted, but your paper had a good headline. trump can't seem to get over joe biden, how the presidency was taken away from him.

he also questioned whether it's even constitutional what they did. he said joe biden's exit was pretty horrible. is there anybody who can tell him you need to move on? >> well, they can tell him all they like. the question does he listen. and that's the real point, and i think, yes, he is mourning. you know, he is in angry denial over the fact that he doesn't have president biden as his target. you know, as of just a few weeks ago, he thought he had this wrapped up, biden was going to be an easy opponent to beat. all he had to do is cruise towards november and everything would be fine. now he's facing a different campaign, a radically different campaign. he'll be competitive, and he's still in a tie in effect with kamala harris. nobody should underestimate him by any stretch, but it's not the campaign he thought he was running. he seems unhappy about it. when he says it's not fair, he doesn't mean it's unfair to biden that biden got pushed out of the race, he means it's unfair to him, trump, that biden got pushed out of the race. >> peter baker, it's always so good to talk to you, thank you. new body cam footage from

the day of the assassination attempt on former president trump. it shows local law enforcement's encounter with the shooter seconds before he pulled the trigger. plus, the federal january 6th case against trump has been delayed again. why jack smith is the one who wants the extra time before proceeding. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. watching reports" only on msnbc ♪ (vo) you've got your sunday obsession and we got you. now with verizon, get nfl sunday ticket from youtube tv on us and get every out-of-market sunday game. plus $800 off samsung galaxy z fold6. only on verizon. (jalen hurt) see you sunday. upset stomach iberogast indigestion iberogast bloating iberogast thanks to a unique combination of herbs, iberogast helps relieve six digestive symptoms to help you feel better. six digestive symptoms. the power of nature. iberogast. you'll find them in

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a dramatic new look today at the minutes surrounding the

assassination attempt on donald trump. new body cam footage revealing what happened when local police came face to face with the shooter moments before he opened fire. nbc news correspondent ryan nobles joins us now. ryan. >> this video provides new insight into what the scene was like during the assassination attempt on former president trump. it shows law enforcement confused and alarmed at the roof where the shooter was perched was left unguarded. >> moments before shots rang out at former president trump -- >> get down, get down, get down. >> reporter: a butler county police officer coming face to face with the shooter. newly released body cam video shows the officer being hoisted up to the roof before quickly coming down after he says thomas crooks pointed a weapon at him. >> this close, bro, he turned around on me. >> reporter: officials say crooks fired eight shots nicking trump in the ear, killing one rally goer and critically injuring two others.

he was shot to at the time by counter snipers within seconds. the same officer is seen jumping on the roof after the shooting where crooks' body can be seen. >> before he came up here, i popped my head up there like an idiot by myself, dude. calling out, bro, getting on top of the roof. >> reporter: officials say that information about the shooter from local police never made it to the secret service because they were not on the same radio frequency. >> what i can tell you is that piece of information, that vital piece of information and by no fault of anyone, it was a very stressful situation, it it not make it over. >> reporter: the team of officers seemed baffled such a strategic location was not covered. >> i [ bleep ] told them they need to post the guys over here. i told them that. >> reporter: one officer saying he specifically warned the secret service to guard the roof days before the rally. >> the secret service, i told them that [ bleep ] tuesday. i told them to post [ bleep ] guys over here. >> the secret service said they

were looking at the video, but admitted the agency failed and are reviewing and updating our policies and procedures in order to ensure a tragedy like this never occurs again. the former head of the secret service, kimberly cheatle resigned her post in the fallout from the shooting. the new acting director recently told congress that agents could be fired if their investigation reveals they broke agency protocol. >> ryan nobles, thank you for that. and this just in, judge tanya chutkan has granted special counsel jack smith's request for a three-week delay in order to continue consultations on how to best proceed in the federal election interference case against former president donald trump. it follows the supreme court's controversial decision earlier this summer to grant trump wide immunity from prosecution for acts while in office. msnbc legal analyst lisa rubin joins me now. so lisa, what does this delay or this request indicate to you? >> it indicates to me, chris, that jack smith actually has a lot more supervision than folks

that are partial to former president trump would like to admit. you'll remember that judge aileen cannon in florida dismissed the mar-a-lago classified documents case in part because she found that judge -- i'm sorry, that jack smith was unlawfully appointed. why? because in her finding, he was too independent. he hadn't been confirmed by the senate. his appointment was unconstitutional, but now jack smith is telling judge chutkan, i need three more weeks because i need to confer with other components and units at the department of justice. what that tells me is jack smith is not an island. he needs to have those conversations with everyone from attorney general merrick garland to perhaps the deputy attorney general, to other units in the department of justice including their appellate lawyers in the office of legal counsel and the solicitor general's office to determine the best way forward. it also tells me that there is likely some internal dissent and real divergence of opinion about what the best way forward is

among those various constituencies, chris. >> lisa rubin, thank you for that update. and coming up, former president trump traveling to montana to support the republican senate candidate in a too close to call fight against jon tester. and are democrats seeing a boost in local races since the president ticket was named. martin heinrich will join us next. ich will join us next ♪ ♪ and i'm keeping the weight off. wegovy® helps you lose weight and keep it off. i'm reducing my risk. wegovy® is the only fda-approved weight-management medicine that's proven to reduce risk of major cardiovascular events in adults with known heart disease and with either obesity or overweight. wegovy® shouldn't be used with semaglutide or glp-1 medicines. don't take wegovy® if you or your family had medullary thyroid cancer, multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type 2, or if allergic to it. stop wegovy®

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keep control of the senate, they'll need to hold on to montana. donald trump is there tonight supporting the gop candidate who may well be the party's best chance to flip a democratic senate seat. democrats are defending a slim 51-49 majority, and many of those battles are playing out in states favorable to republicans. trump won montana twice by big margins, but its democratic senator is jon tester, just one point on a senate battleground map that is both brutal and expensive. nbc's vaughn hillyard is in bozeman, montana. back with us, tim hogan, democratic strategist and former aide to the klobuchar and clinton presidential campaigns. matt gorman is a republican strategist, former senior communications adviser for tim scott for america, and former nrcc communications director as well as aide to jeb bush and mitt romney. good to see all of you. okay, vaughn, in one of those very beautiful cities in a very beautiful state, but nobody's idea of a swing state.

i think 2020 trump won there by 16. so what does his campaign think he can really accomplish by going there? >> reporter: right, they should be out here in montana hanging out with me. when you're looking at the senate map, look, this is one of the senate races that could change whether republicans have the majority come 2025 or not. if you look for republicans, all they got to do is pick up one or two senate seats. if donald trump and j.d. vance win, j.d. vance could be that tie breaking vote. if it is a 50/50 even split in the senate. when you look at west virginia, the expectation is the republican governor jim justice will pick up that seat left behind by joe manchin. that's where republicans see here tim sheehy, a veteran, somebody who they believe has a real shot to take down the likes of incumbent democratic senator jon tester. just four years ago the popular governor here lost his race by about 10 percentage points now

back in 2018. we should note that jon tester did win his race here by about 4 percentage points, but when you're looking at the rest of the map, democrats are trying to hold on to ohio, pennsylvania, wisconsin, and for the democrats, their one real pickup opportunity potentially is only in one state, the state of texas. senator ted cruz facing democratic challenger colin allred. of course for democrats they're trying to hang on with reuben g gallego, trying to hold on to kyrsten sinema's seat. he wants a senate and house majority so he can push through that trump agenda and a place like montana despite the expectation he personally would win here is wholly understand it could be this senate seat that makes a difference on that senate map. >> trump told us why he's choosing to spend time in places like montana instead of a handful of states that will actually decide the election. here's what he said yesterday. >> i'm going out to certain places to help certain senators get elected. not even for me, i'm trying to

help when i go out to wyoming or montana, i'm going to different places to help people, and i don't have to go there because i'm leading in those states as you know, by 35, 40, 50 points. >> i mean, of course the other way to look at that is you don't need to go to those states. especially when you're in a race that right now most people believe is too close to call. we all know the most valuable commodity for a candidate is his time. is this a smart use of it, matt? >> the second, though s money, and that's the other big reason he's going to be out there. he'll be in park city, utah, shortly after that. it's a fund-raising swing in a lot of respects too. i'll say this, a lot of folks in our party have been critical of kind of the trump effort over the last decade for focusing on the trump kind of outcome on the election but not a lot down ballot. i'll give credit to the trump campaign recognizing it this first time. and look, as we kind of see

historical trends show us the split ticket voting is become a thing of the past. like in 2000 when bush ran against gore, ten races went a different way, ten senate races went a different way than the presidential race. over the last two cycles, one has, susan collins of maine. historically now it's moving in a direction where presidential races and senate races tend to move in the same direction now. >> so tim, what do you think of that analysis? i mean, obviously kamala harris is heading to arizona. we've seen her draw big crowds in even some would say very big crowds in wisconsin and michigan, each time with democratic senate candidates by her side. what do you make of these divergent strategies? >> yeah, well, i think my question is if he is boosting senate candidates, then kind of where has he been? we saw him do a press conference yesterday where he looked very weird. he's done, i think, eight rallies since the debate months ago whereas harris and walz are going to be in four separate

states this week. and i don't know, i mean, i guess i know why he's going to montana. he's going to try to help tim sheehy and i think sheehy is struggling. it's going to be a close race, but look, that guy is from -- and i'm from minnesota too, claimed he was from rural minnesota. he actually grew up in a wealthy suburb in a multimillion dollar home 15 minutes from the mall of america, and he's running against a guy who owns farming equipment older than him as long as he has been in the state, jon tester is someone who is a third generation farmer whose family has been there since 1912, and sheehy is going to try to turn the state, try to turn public lands over to locals and turn it into a playground for the rich. look, it's a question of montana values in this particular senate race. i don't know that trump is going to help very much going out there, but i get it. he's going to try to rally the base. >> so matt, the cook political report says that harris's popularity has made it easier for democrats in battlegrounds to, as they put it, outrun the top of the ticket.

several swing states, particularly in the sun belt went from leaning trump to tossup. do you see this as a honeymoon period, or do you think this race has fundamentally changed? >> i think a little of both. number one, look, you saw those polls when biden dropped out, trump up by six. that was never going to happen. this was a two-point race either way. in a way, joe biden was acting as a metaphorical dam on democratic money, democratic enthusiasm. that is gone, it comes rushing in again. those polls are going to tighten. i don't think it's going to be of a two-point race either way. when trump wins a state by 16 to 20 points, which i think realistically he'll probably win montana by, that's a large gap to overcome, even for the most fittest of political athletes. the last time tester won a race in a presidential year, obama won in '12, and it was a pretty good democratic year, so he squeaked by a bad republican candidate. it's a lot tougher now with a

democrat in the white house and a better gop candidate. >> vaughn hillyard, tim hogan, and matt gorman, thank you all. i want to bring in senator martin heinrich, democrat from new mexico. it's good to see you, senator. kamala harris certainly seems to have the wind at her sails right now. your campaign has said you're in a tougher race than a lot of people have suggested it is. new mexico also has certainly one of the most competitive house races in the country with gabe vasquez. has kamala harris helped? >> enormously. i mean, the difference in enthusiasm on the ground is palpable, and that can buy you two or three points. so for my race, which was, you know, closer than in the past, certainly for a race like gab vasquez that's been neck in neck for in the past cycle and in this cycle, this makes a giant difference, and i think tim walz makes a difference. i mean, this is somebody i know from my years in the house. you couldn't ask for a more real guy. i mean, he is the guys that j.d.

vance pretends to be. >> so look, there was a lot of conversation that kamala harris in a very compressed period of time had three big opportunities, one was choosing a vp, you and a lot of other people think she surprised but did a positive thing. then it's the convention and the debate. we've seen reports you are not going to attend the democratic national convention in chicago. are you skipping it? >> i'm not skipping it. i typically don't go to the conventions when i'm in cycle. my time is better invested in new mexico. i have no concerns about the top of the ticket. i mean, i would love for kamala harris and tim walz to be in new mexico. these are people who are running an incredible campaign, and if you just look at how from moment one kamala harris as vice president was in command of this election cycle and this campaign apparatus. i think this is a great ticket

for new mexico, and we are on our way to a victory. it will not be a slam dunk, but we are definitely on our way to a victory. >> so you mentioned you know tim walz, you like tim walz. where does he help? and can you tell me particularly, are there places in the sun belt -- we talked a lot about him in the midwest and sort of the feeling he gives. people saying he's kind of like your dad or your uncle, but does he help in your part of the country? >> he does. he's just -- >> how? >> -- a normal person. and this is -- there's this vibe around the republican ticket right now, and he kind of -- he hit the nail on the head when he said these guys are just weird. there are so many issues where republicans right now want to be in your wife's exam room and your kid's bathroom at school, and don't get me even started about googling or searching about dolphins. this is a weird ticket and, you

look at the -- at donald trump, the guy never laughs or smiles. it's odd, and then on the other side of the competition, you have this very normal, energetic duo, and tim walz is just a regular pragmatic guy who likes to get things done. >> you are smack in the middle of new mexico of two of the big border states, right, arizona, which we know is a battleground state, texas which has an enormous border. there's been a lot of reporting about her weakness as the border czar. we have new reporting that after president biden's executive order limiting asylum claims, the number of migrants in shelters on the southern borders, and in some major cities has plummeted, in some case, by as much as 60%. how big of an issue to you see that as, and what can she do about it? do you feel like she's behind on that issue? >> no, i think the republicans have a real challenge on this issue now because we came

together, republicans and democrats, recognizing where the weak points were in our border and immigration policy, and right smack in the middle of that is our asylum law. so the president has stepped up and done what he needs to do. but we still need to change the asylum law so that it can't be gained by cartels who are trafficking people from all parts of the world. we tried to solve that with republican input and republicans at the negotiating table, and donald trump told his party to walk away. so in many cases or in many ways, it's actually the republicans who are going to have challenges because they don't want to actually fix this. they want an issue, not a solution. democrats like myself are going to continue to support solutions. >> senator martin heinrich, i would be remiss and i would get in trouble with one of my brothers who went to new mexico, highlands university if i didn't give them a shoutout and your state in general. >> thank you. great to see you. >> great to have you on the

program. thank you. ahead, the debate is on. abc confirms both trump and harris have agreed to a prime time debate on september 10th. what about the other two faceoffs the former president wants that month. for the first time since world war ii, a foreign nation's army has entered russia. what ukraine hopes to achieve after this. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on news news. msnbc. ffrz but some refused to join him. ffrz ffrz wanted everyone to be fill. not with food and wine, but with compassion. ♪ ♪

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liner capsule crew, a highly critical report from nasa highlights shortcomings of the company's aerospace work. boeing is building a powerful upper stage of the rocket that will carry astronauts back to the moon but the report by nasa's office of inspector general slams the company's standards and quality control. saying it falls short of nasa's requirements and even saying that as a whole, the workers on the project are not sufficiently trained or experienced. it also found that the project, which is years behind schedule, is significantly over budget. now to the war in ukraine where at least 12 people are dead and at least 44 wounded if a missile attack on a supermarket in eastern ukraine earlier today. it comes amid a major new rush by top russian military leaders to get more reinforcements into the russian region of kursk. now in its fourth day of operations. nbc's josh lederman is in london. this is the first time a foreign

nation's military has entered russia since world war two. what more do we know about what's happening and ukraine's strategy there? >> yeah, chris, this has been a real shocker, not just for those of us who are watching this unfold from the west, but really for the russians more than anyone, and the video that we are getting in shows the kinds of devastation, charred out vehicles, dead bodies that we have been used to seeing for the last two and a half years in ukraine, except now it's happening in russia. moscow has declared a state of emergency in the kursk region. they are sending in reinforcements and you have the russian air force bombing its own territory as they are trying to push the russians out. it is not clear how much if any of that territory the russians have been able to take back from ukraine, but the big question right now really is why would ukraine do this? there's not any sign that ukraine has some plan to occupy russian territory long-term. they want their own land back, right. and president zelenskyy is casting this today as a

defensive move, essentially arguing that the parts that they are targeting are areas that russia has used to stage and launch attacks into ukraine, and i have been speaking with military analysts who say there's a few reasons ukraine might want to do this. first of all, it is forcing russia to divert troops and resources to defend their own turf. more broadly, this has chapgd -- changed the narrative in the war. at a time ukraine has been losing ground. there are questions of how much longer the u.s. and the west will keep supporting them, and for right now, ukraine has russia on its back heels. the russian people are being forced to deal with the consequences of the war in a way they haven't had to in the past. while the ukrainians haven't been saying in publicly, it may be that they hope this may make people tune in once again to the war in ukraine, and really kind of temper that perception that the ukrainians are fighting a losing battle. we have breaking news about

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