good to be with you. i'm ali vitali in for katy tur. with 88 days left until election day, vice president kamala harris's battle ground rollout is headed west, and former president donald trump isn't headed far behind. it's her latest stop to introduce her running mate, tim walz and herself to the nation. the vp heads to the grand canyon state with historic endorsement in tow, the league of united latin american citizens has

thrown its support behind the harris walz ticket, the first endorsement of any political candidate in the 95-year history. trump is headed for bright red boazman, montana, after yesterday's attempt to seize back political attention with a press conference full of falsehoods. but to show the early power of their political coat tails in states with major senate and other down ballot races. so for today, it's a clash of campaign events, but come september, we'll see at least one battle on the debate stage. both candidates have agreed to a debate hosted by abc news on september 10th with trump challenging harris to more. joining us from glendale, arizona, aaron gilchrist, and national editor for "the washington post" and msnbc political analyst, phil rutger. aaron, we'll start with you. vp harris is pushing into the southwest, they need democrats to turn out, and independents

and disillusioned republicans. is the message to the audience changing at all given that landscape? >> reporter: i think the messaging topically is going to sound similar to what we have heard earlier this week as the vice president has been going to battleground states, but the campaign is also very aware of what the audience in arizona looks like. this is a place where the campaign is going to try to appeal to younger voters, to a large latino population, and black voters as well. you talk about independents, that is a critical group for both parties at this point in the race. we know that indemnity voters, registered independent voters in this state outnumber democratic voters and are very close to the number of republican voters as well. whoever wins in arizona is going to have to make a very serious play for independent voters. we were able to talk to some of them here in the time that we have been on the ground. and the issues are very similar to what we are hearing from

other places for independent voters this arizona. they are worried about the economy in a significant way. they want to know what can be done to make sure that they are able to keep some of their money in their pockets, that they're able to make more money and aren't being beaten down by the costs of every day life. i want you to hear what some independent voters told us about what they want to hear from the harris/walz ticket when they speak here tonight in glendale. >> for me, it's the most benefit i can get from whoever party it is. so i pay attention on how it affects me directly. who's going to put money back into my pocket, as far as making it more affordable. >> now that biden stepped away, harris is in, tom walz is her vp, running mate, i'm probably going to be swayed to vote democratic come november. a little bit of undecided. i feel like one policy on the other side that i don't agree with is a lot of them are pro life. i'm pro choice. not by body, not my decision. >> reporter: now, the

harris/walz campaign said since vice president harris has become the candidate, they have seen a ground swell of support, 20,000 or so people signed up to volunteer for the harris/walz campaign. there are issues. you saw the last person talk about the abortion issue. that's something we expect to hear vice president harris talking about reproductive freedom, and it's going to be interesting to see how far she goes to talk about immigration issues and border security issues here. it's not been something that's a strong topic for democrats in terms of what they have done around that issue. we did get a memo from the white house today talking about the executive actions that have been taken to address some of those concerns. we'll see what the vice president has to say about that tonight and how well it resonates. >> i want to get to the immigration issue. first, aaron, let me ask you, as they're trying to cobble together the coalition of voters, not just in arizona, and around the country, lulac has never done get out the vote

work, they are now, but why now, and what do they bring to the table in terms of actually turning out voters to the ballot box? >> reporter: it's an endorsement of the harris/walz ticket said it had concerns about donald trump disrespecting and demonizing latinos in this country. that's part of the reason it has chosen to endorse the harris/walz ticket. the reality is there's a significant latino population here in arizona, for example, about almost a third, roughly a third of the population is latino. 890,000 latinos are registered to vote in the state o ounce, and they are going to register younger voters, that's what they bring to the table, and they want to put their energy and money and time behind the harris walz ticket because they believe that's the ticket that will do more to benefit latinos,

particularly here in arizona and in nevada where we expect to hear that organization speak tomorrow. >> and certainly that ground game is always so essential. phil, let's double back to the immigration issue that aaron was talking about. harris is in a border state today. talk about how she's trying to pivot from the heavy criticism that she has received on this issue over the years and how she's talking about it now. >> yeah, well, ali, the republicans have really tried to blame vice president harris for any issues at the border, including earlier surges in migration patterns, although crossings have been down recently. i would expect she would talk about that. i think what she is going to be looking to do, perhaps at this rally today in arizona, but certainly in the debate in a few weeks is really freeing for voters what her record has been on immigration. the role she played for the biden administration, the policies that they have been able to get through in terms of executive actions and other enforcement measures and present

sort of a vision for what she would do going forward if she were president over the next four years to further try to control illegal immigration and crossings at the border while maintaining some sort of humane approach for those who are coming to america, which has been so critical to the democratic party's base over the years. >> so critical, and so vexing, but, phil, biden and harris are going to be getting out on the campaign trail together next unique. what role do you see the president playing for her in the waning months of the election? >> what we understand about the visit is to highlight some of the actual sort of governing accomplishments of the biden presidency, especially as it relates to the economy. i think when you see them together, you're going to see a real focus on what they did together as governing partners, and try to sell the biden record, which is something that biden really struggled to do when he was running for reelection earlier this year. he was unable to get a kind of

convincing message out to the american people about his economic record in particular. but also about so many other pieces of legislation, and executive action that he was responsible for as president. maybe in this new context for harris, the person leading the ticket, they'll be able to make the case to voters in a more compelling way. it will be their first appearance together in a political environment since he withdrew from his reelection bid. it will come a week ahead of the democratic national convention in chicago, where we should expect, i think, to see a real focus both on the biden legacy and on harris's candidacy. >> there have been a lot of eyes on the event and the dnc. i want to bring into the conversation, nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard, in beautiful montana. it's also got one of the most contentious senate races on the

map. democrat jon tester versus republican tim sheehee there. >> reporter: especially when we're talking, ali, in the idea of donald trump's political pro es, not only when he is on the ballot, the 2018 election cycle, 2020 election cycle, 2022 election cycle, there were senate candidates expected to win. it was trump-backed gubernatorial candidates expected to win and over the course of the last three cycles, there was a turn to donald trump and an understanding that he was the backbone of the republican party and frankly, if republicans are not able to, again, regardless of whether donald trump wins the white house or not, be few these trump-backed senate candidates

are not able to knock off incumbent senate jon tester here or the likes of tammy baldwin or bob casey in pennsylvania, or sherrod brown in ohio, or ruben gallego in arizona, suddenly it calls into question whether this is the best sort of political decision making in terms of who the republican party is turning to in donald trump, and that is where it is in his political interest to be here today despite it being all but very likely he is going to win the state himself in a matter of 85 days. >> i think that's exactly right, vaughn. you know, phil, we're coming off of an event where trump tried to rest the news cycle back into his grasp. we saw the press conference. it was meandering. at one point, trump seemed to confuse jerry brown with former san francisco mayor, willie brown. past candidates have been pilloried for this kind of stuff, whether they made it up or were confused.

what did you make of that moment, phil? >> it was quite a news conference, and we have seen a lot of those over the years for trump. he was all over the place. rambling is the right way to describe it, i think, and had a lot of statements that were not true, and you could sense kind of collectively through that news conference how anxious he must be about his standing in the race right now as he sees harris drawing huge crowds, generating enthusiasm and unity on the democratic side, as you see the polls show, the race is tighter than it had been a few weeks before, and you see him sort of struggling with how to kind of reaffirm dominance in this race, and get control of the message environment here for the candidates. he was all over the map with his answers and he's not been campaigning this week. we'll see if he can restart things on to better footing next week. it's been a challenge for him. >> in the last few seconds we

have left here. we have seen since 2015 a lot of campaign resets and pivots, too many to count, and none have stuck. what we saw yesterday, did advisers feel that was a good showing for trump? >> reporter: you know, i think your question is perfect, and you and phil know this all too well that this is more so than 2020 or 2016, donald trump's campaign in his eyes. julie wiles have all but allowed him to be the director of the messaging, and that's where yesterday was a perfect example. him choosing to go at his mar-a-lago estate, and go and talk free wielding for more than an hour, and there is not an exact specific theme that the campaign is trying to reiterate. really for donald trump, he has been allowed to be himself and there is no really pivot that could exist at this point. so, yeah, he could change political advisers, but these political advisers who is

staffed to helm his campaign for the last 18 months have allowed him to be the one to dictate what this campaign has done. really with 85 days left. it's a question of what good it would even do to disrupt the top leadership of his campaign architecture at this point. >> no art of the pivot in the art of the deal if i'm remembering that correctly. aaron gilchrist, phil rucker and vaughn hillyard, thank you for joining us. donald trump said abortion will be a small issue in november. my next guest tells us why some republicans might want that to be true given the power on the national and state level. jack smith requested a delay in donald trump's election interference case. what the judge just decided. and some of the conservatives gathering at today's conference in atlanta have one thing in common, they have earned or continue to earn donald trump's wrath, what they are saying about unity and the path forward in the trump era. we're back in 90 seconds. ds

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gallego against kari lake. and nevada, jackie rosen playing defense for her seat against sam brown. it's there in nevada that i want to start with someone who was just out on the campaign trail with senator rosen. emily's list president, jessica mack ler. i wonder if you could give your sense from the ground of what you saw in nevada, and the tough road jacky has ahead of her. >> voters in nevada and activists are fired up. it's what we're seeing across the country. it's because they are going to have the opportunity this november to vote on abortion rights and reproductive freedom and the future of the issues in that state in numerous ways. then they are going to do that with jacky rosen, who we need to secure the senate majority, to keep the senate majority to prevent a national abortion ban and through a valid initiative that can enshrine rights in the constitution. they're fired up and ready to go. >> this is an issue we have been tracking closely over the last two to three years. i've covered reproductive health

care for ten years, and this is a completely different moment. it strikes me that most of the key messengers are women. does that play a factor when you have vice president kamala harris and then of course many of the senators who are going heavily on this issue are women themselves? >> it absolutely does. for voters it's a deeply personal issue. one thing we've seen in our research since the dobbs decision is that this is something that's really intuitive for voters. for women voters, but voters in general because they understand that this is something that the ramifications, consequences are having a huge impact on people's lives. vice president kamala harris leading this fight for her entire career speaks, she's saying not just about where she stands on this issue, but her personal values. and that resonates with voters. >> you have former president trump down playing the significance of this issue. let's take a listen to that. >> i think the abortion issue

has been taken down many notches. i don't think it's a big factor anymore, really. and when people hear what i said in the debate, and i think i said it very well during the debate, we brought it back to the states. everybody wanted it in the states. >> the electoral plot points that we have seen on this issue from kansas to ohio to kentucky have told a different story here. but what are you hearing when you look at these marquee races from republicans that they have had messaging on this issue? >> i think this is the latest in an attempt to get to higher ground on this for republicans. i understand that the former president would like for this issue to be a nonissue for him to be a small thing. the fact is that's just not true. until these rights are restored. this is going to be an incredibly impactful, determinative issue for voters, and i would say to donald trump and other republicans, underestimate women voters in

particular on reproductive freedom at your own peril. >> i think there has been that sense of underestimating, the way women voters will react to this, and the salience on its own. i remember in 2018, 2020, there were debates about should we go as heavily in on abortion and reproductive rights as we are. when you talk to donors, operatives across the map, are they bought in now? >> they are. one thing i will say is we saw this, you know, particularly in virginia last election cycle in the legislative races where after 2022, where there was some questioning and would this work, in virginia, everyone was all on board, and that has really carried us through into 2024. democrats understand this is an issue that's going to drive voters until these rights are restored. >> i want to broaden out to talk about the present political moment we're in. i wrote a book of course about women and the presidency, and a huge part of that work is building the pipeline. getting women into office, leveling the playing field for them to run.

that's where your work comes in. there's new data from the center for american women in politics that shows less women running this cycle across various offices. of course there's still more than 400 of them running to the house and other races. what does that tell you? why the drop off? >> what we've seen, having done this work. we work to elect democratic pro choice women. this is work we have to continue to keep up and do. the recruitment and training. women candidates face unique barriers, we know they have to be asked to run more times to run than their male counter parts. i will say this, when we see kamala harris at the top of the ticket and the electric energy that she is bringing to this campaign, and women turning out, i think that is going to be another spark for candidates and women candidates in particular when they look at her and see strength in a woman candidate, and that's what she's showing us

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. we're following breaking news right now out of brazil where airline voepass says one of its planes carrying 58 passengers and four cabin crew has crashed in the sao paulo area. it appeared to fall out of the sky before hitting the ground and bursting into flames. joining us now, nbc news senior correspondent, tom costello. walk us through what happened here. >> bottom line, this happened at about noon eastern time or in the noon hour eastern time. this flight, again, voepass flight 2283, it was going to soo

paw -- sao paulo, it seems to fall out of the sky like a pancake. it doesn't go in. doesn't nose dive. doesn't go tails first. it's literally falling like a pancake, and the data from flight radar 24 is astonishing. this plane was at 17,000 feet, flying along perfectly fine at 250 miles per hour, and then suddenly, drops like a rock, and its speed drops from 250 miles per hour down to nothing. in under a minute. so what happened here is really a mystery. the atr 72, this is the type of plane, it's a french italian built plane. it is a turbo prop. very very good, durable safety record on this plane. it's flown around the world, including here in the united states.

the question is going to be what could have possibly happened on board that caused the plane to drop out of the sky like this. the video while it's in the air seems to suggest the plane had both wings, had both engines and had its tail. precisely what would have caused this plane to spin around and then fall like a pancake or like a rock is really a big mystery. i can tell you that the speed gyrations it went through a dramatic speed gyration, you know, in other words, it was picking up speed, losing speed, picking up speed, losing speed, in a very dramatic and erratic fashion. this is going to be the focus for investigators in brazil. i will tell you that i've talked to the faa and the ntsb in this country. because this is not a u.s.-built plane and it's not a u.s. airline, the faa and ntsb would not respond unless the brazilians request the assistance. although, brazil has a very

robust national transportation safety investigative board, just like the united states does, and in the view of the people i talk to regularly, they are more than capable of finding out what has happened here. but, again, this is a voepass, kind of a regional, smaller airline, a puddle jumper, we might call it in the states, going from a small community, in this case, into sao paulo and for some reason fell out of the sky. 58 passengers, four crew members on board and the airline confirms the accident. the local police and fire response has been very quick and robust. the president of country says there does not appear to be any survivors. >> tom, you're always so precise and informed an expert at these issues. thank you for bringing us the information, especially as there's so many more questions here. hopefully someone who can help us start to answer those, and who's joining us now is former faa, and former ntsb investigator. can you talk to us a little bit about tom poses the question about whether or not the faa or

the ntsb will be brought in to help with this investigation. if they were or if they weren't, what would investigators broadly be looking for here as they try to figure out how this could happen? >> i agree with tom. there's no u.s. dog in the fight, so to speak, so the iko rules, the international playbook of accident investigation says that the brazilians, the host country here, the country of occurrence will lead the investigation. and they have accident investigation capable, just like the ntsb does, and i think their first order of business will be to get the black boxes. the cockpit voice recorder and the flight data recorder and take it back to their lab and download it, and begin to investigate the accident like any country would in a civil aviation accident investigation. >> when you see the picture that tom paints here, some of the

video that's circulating online, when you see the fact that this plane is just spiraling towards the ground in tom's words, pancake fashion, i know it's premature to be speculating, when you see something like that, in addition to the plane going faster and slower, what does it point to to you, even in just a preliminary fashion? >> i can tell you, it's clear to me that the airplane installed. there wasn't enough air flow going over the wings. you have to fly at a certain air speed so your wings are generating lift. if that doesn't happen, the wings stop flying and the airplane falls. it stalls and then in this case, according to some of the video we saw, preliminary video i saw, it looks like it's a classic spin. the airplane is actually spinning, and to get an airplane to spin and fall down vertically, it has to be

installed. how it became aero dynamically stalled, we don't know. perhaps it could be pilot induced. it could be weather induced. it could have been a mechanical malfunction. it fell out of the sky in a stall spin fashion, but how it got into that configuration is going to be a real question for investigators. >> absolutely one of the central of many questions they're going to have to be answering here, an absolutely tragic scene we are watching, and that footage, jeff, thank you for coming on to help us try to make sense of it. coming up, what the judge in charge of donald trump's election interference case granted jack smith. what donald trump's former vice president said about endorsing him this time around, on stage in atlanta today. we'll be right back. oday we'll be right back. the 11th. get a free tech check. and special offers. like a free 5g phone, when you switch. don't miss out.

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after a multimonth pause, a landmark supreme court decision and a resetting of the clock by the judge overseeing former president donald trump's election interference case, special counsel jack smith's office has requested and been granted more time before the pretrial hearings can get underway. joining us now, msnbc legal correspondent, lisa rubin. why would he want to wait? why ask for a delay. >> this reflects the fact that at the department of justice, there is a divergence of opinions about what the best way

forward is. you can look at the fact that there have been several weeks since the supreme court opinion, and save yourself as maybe meryl streep's character did, why is no one ready, but on the other hand, there is so much left unsaid by the supreme court majority about the appropriate path forward, we know that the president is entitled, or the former president is entitled to a rebuttable presumption of immunity for his official acts. think about how much of that wasn't clarified by the court. what counts as an official act. if you can rebut the presumption, how are you supposed to do that. what evidence counts as sufficient to rebut that presumption. what factors should a court consider. thinking through the all the guidance that the supreme court didn't leave behind, you can understand why various constituencies within the department of justice and even among jack smith's team might be scratching their heads about what is the best way forward to salvage their case and proceed

to a trial against former president trump, assuming that there was enough of their case left to salvage. >> not just salvaging their case and getting this to trial. try to do so before the election. that's always been the clock we have been on. is there any world that that happens now. >> no, and i should say, that's the clock people like you and me are on, and some of our viewers are on. but that's not the appropriate clock from the perspective of prosecutors. prosecutors are always thinking about how to ensure that the case gets tried. of course the election is a deadline that matters because if former president trump is reelected, there is a general assumption that he will make this case go away once he is inaugurated again. but in terms of thinking through what information the public needs to have in its possession before the election, that's really not the principle concern of the department of justice and folks have made clear to me that

really what matters to jack smith and his team is getting this case to a place where they can effectively try it. it doesn't matter as much to them whether or not we get to preview their case. that's been described to me as more or less wish casting by advocates. >> maybe wish casting by voters too. i have one question before you go in the limited time you have left. yesterday, trump said he won the mar-a-lago documents case, but it was dismissed, wasn't there supposed to be an appeal? >> there is an appeal, and on august 27th, we'll see the opening brief from special counsel jack smith, and i should say, these two cases interact, sort of, today and away. the argument for dismissing the case was that jack smith was acting too independently of the attorney general, that he should have been confirmed by the senate, and therefore his appointment was unconstitutional. in telling judge chutkan that he

needs to confer with multiple units. >> i see that taylor swift poster in the background. moving over to georgia are several republican rivals of former president trump are center stage at radio host eric erickson's annual conservative contest. trump's former vice president mike pence made an appearance and noted he was once again not fully behind his former running mate. >> for my part, i'm staying out of the presidential campaign. i cannot endorse president trump's continuing assertion that i should have set aside my oath to support and defend the constitution. and acted in a way that would have overturned the election in january of 2021. >> georgia governor brian kemp was also at the conference. he's recently, once again, found himself to be the target of trump's attacks during a rally in georgia over the weekend and at trump's press conference just yesterday. governor kemp kept mum on that,

reiterating he will support the republican nominee, despite the quote, noise from the campaign trail. this is all happening as polling from the aarp show harris and trump tied among likely voters in georgia. joining us now. senior political reporter at the atlanta constitution, greg blue stein. this fascinating paradox of being a republican in the trump era. they're on board for the party but not really for the nominee. how are people there rationalizing that paradox. >> they're not never trumpers. but last year at the same gathering, about a half dozen trump rivals showed up and gave their best case scenarios for their vision for 2025 under their watch. and of course donald trump was not invited to that event. this year, it was an event full of florida governor desantis.

we have heard from former vice president pence, and folks like brian kemp and chris carr all try to reconcile their support for the former president, even though each one of them has been personally attacked by them, and in some cases, still being attacked by them in the case of governor kemp. >> that's exactly right. you know georgia so well. does feuding with someone like kemp who is popular there, who has won in georgia, does that help trump at all take georgia back into his column come november? >> yeah, that same poll you just showed had governor kemp's approval rating at 61%, and his disapproval at 30ish. that means he's 30% above water, which is kind of unheard of in georgia. there's a sense from republicans who were still cringing after the rounds of attacks that donald trump leveled against governor kemp. there's nothing to gain here. several of them said publicly to me that they feel like donald trump just lost georgia with these attacks and the reason why is that you're not going to gain votes by attacking the governor. you know, anyone who supports those attacks were already going

to vote for donald trump. what you could lose are these moderate, independent swing voters that have proved decisive in georgia the last couple of election cycles. we know that in 2022 when governor kemp and senator raphael warnock, both captured elections. >> and i think the striking part to me as you and i are having this conversation is that we are once again in a position where georgia, which shouldn't be a battleground state for a lot of different reasons is once again in the purple column. there's a few different reasons for that. you tease out the trump kemp rivalry, there are issues percolating on the ground, when you look at abortion, the economy, which is contributing the most to georgia's middle slide, its centrist slide? >> the biggest factor is going to be vice president harris. democrats were worried that georgia was becoming an after thought. they were worried about not that black voters would turn to

donald trump, but apathy. and now they're much less worried. it's still a specter, but they're much less worried. they feel like the base is energized and they feel like she can now go and appeal to those middle of the road voters. they were worrying, you know, were decisively turning towards donald trump. that's one factor. economy and immigration are still the top of everyone's minds in georgia. poll after poll show those two issues are the top factors for voters. but democracy is up there, and of course abortion rights is up there for many democrats, and many independent voters as well. those are all factors playing into it. we are seeing in battle ground states like georgia, the vice president trying to push back on the immigration narrative. she would support the bipartisan security beal. >> greg bluestein, few know georgia better. thank you for joining us. still ahead, exclusive reporting on what is behind the sharp decline in migrants

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past few months. joining us now is david noriaga. take us through the new reporting. >> reporter: yeah, so nbc news spoke to a number of shelter operaors across the country both in the border and in the interior of the united states, as you mentioned, in some major cities, and found the number of migrants has gone down. some by 60% or more. for example, a shelter operator in del rio in texas said that a year ago he was housing about 200 migrants. in his shelter it's down to 80 or 90. the numbers have gone down in denver, chicago, cities that really kind of entered the national spotlight as receiving a large number of migrants when the number of migrants crossing the border was substantially higher towards the end of last year. the one notable exception is new york city, where the numb of migrants in shelters has remained -- has gone down a little bit, but remain steady. the number of migrants arriving

in new york city has gone down dramatically. there's a bit of a lag there in terms of not showing up in the number of migrants staying in shelters. what's driving this is that this is a reflection of the fact that the number of migrants crossing the border itself has gone down dramatically from record high of 250,000 last december to preliminary numbers show last month of july down to 60,000. that's the lowest yet under the biden/harris administration and one of the lowest numbers in years. >> it's a substantial drop, but how much can any of that be attributed to president biden's new asylum restrictions from june? >> reporter: some, but not all. so that is definitely significant for a couple of reasons. not only because it makes it much more difficult, if not impossible, for migrants to access asylum and protections. but also because historically, we have seen when u.s. governments impose crackdowns like this on the border, often

migrants themselves and the smugglers who get them to and a i cross the border take a big step back and enter a wait and see period. we normally see the numbers go way down. the big question, will they start to creep back up at some point. if so, will they distort to creep back up before or after the election in november. the really, really, really important factor here is what's not happening in washington or on u.s. soil at all, but what's happening in mexico. so after those numbers hit that record high in december, secretaies blinken and mayorkas significantly on migrants work ing that way through their territory, bussing them down to southern mexico and that's what's made the biggest impact on those numbers, which we have been seeing going down since december. not just since june when this executive action was passed. >> david, thank you. still ahead, can team usa maintain its lead in the olympic gold medal count. what the women's 400 meter relay team pulled off today in paris. s

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just two days left of the paris olympics, and the u.s. is already taking home more than 100 medals, including over 30 golds. today we have yet another big afternoon for track and field with the men and women's 4 by 100 relays, including the hunt for the gold. noah lyles, the fastest man in the world did not compete after revealing yesterday he has covid. also breaking or break dancing made its olympic debut. joining us now is nbc news correspondent stephanie dposk. let's start on the track. i watched richardson just glide through the finish line and into a relay gold. tell us about that. >> did you happen to see the moment -- she was coming from behind. she had ground to make up. when it was clear she had made it up, she gave this sly look to

the side. she was like, i own you, and now i shall get the gold. it was classic. it was a wonderful scene. gabbi thomas also running in the race. sooes so fast as well. they were impossible to stop. it was fun to watch them. it was a tale of two races when it was the 4 by 100 relay because you had the men as well, and the men didn't do as well. they had a lot of trouble passing the baton. it slowed them down so much that they couldn't overcome it. they didn't noah lyles in that race because of covid. >> i saw that missed baton pass. i have to say i'm going to work my whole life to have the level of swagger of that kind of a side eye. but to us, breaking means news. but breaking in paris has an entirely new meaning this year. how are the athletes judged in break dancing and where does the u.s. stand in that competition? >> yeah, it's really

interesting. people have described it not so such as a sport but an art form. you can see why they do that. there are nine judges. and they have five different criteria. i'm going to read them off. technique, vocabulary, execution, musicality, and originality. so they are going ton judged on all of those. it's a head to head battle. each dance has a minute and don't know the music beforehand. that's the setup. unfortunately for the u.s. women, they did not have the success they were looking for they did not qualify for the final. the men still have to go. >> stephanie gosk, thank you. i know you and i are both look ahead to the women's soccer game on saturday. we'll be cheering together. >> it's going to be so fun. >> so good. that does it for me. "deadline: white house" starts right now.