teaches. so you've got to flip the bible and replace the figures of the bible with these political figures when you don't have to do that on the other side. >> that is exactly right. in the black church, as you know far better than i do, has not have this problem because social justice is an essential part of being a christian. authentically. so what we see does trump has literally said love your enemies. he does not stand by that. he has rejected the teachings of the bible and yet we have people who don't really here and say that. trump has literally said, love r your enemies. he has not stood , by that, he d has projected the teachings of the bible, yet we have people who do not really here and say l that and i think we have people who are beginning to listen. that is it for us this saturday. we are back tomorrow at 3:00 p.m. eastern to highlight more of a the worthy moments. stay with us. next, it is "the weekend." eek good morning.

it is saturday, august 10th. i am melissa menendez with michael steele. symone have a rare day off. vice president kamala harris rallied the biggest crowd yet on her swing state to work, keeping her campaign momentum going. donald trump spread his usual lies at his only rally of the week in the not so swinging state of montana here this morning, uaw president joyce our message for the new president and ex-president. grab your coffee, settled in and welcome to "the weekend." vice president kamala harris and her new running mate tim walz are wrapping up their swing state tour, traveling to las vegas today. while the democratic ticket spent the week visiting five battleground states, donald trump does not seem to have

swing voters on his mind. tropical just one rallied this week in deep red montana. meanwhile, harris and walz stopped last night to an estimated crowd of more than 2000 people. the cafe says, it was the largest audience to date. the campaign addressed how she will address presidency. i was attorney general as a of a border state. i went after the transnational gangs, the drug cartels and human traffickers. i prosecuted them in case after case and i won. we know our immigration system is broken, and we know what it takes to fix it. comprehensive reform. that includes strong border security, and an pathway to citizenship. >> joining us now, former chair of the arizona democratic party , jasmine wright, and former republican governor of new

jersey christine todd whitman, now national chair for forward party. good morning. >> madam chair, i would like to start with you. i am actually fascinated by the new posture of not just the candidate kamala harris, but the democratic party actually leaning into a very strong narrative around the border. some people will think, they will shy away from the back and forth and administration, the biting biden administration, but you see this forward leaning into the narrative, i would like to play for you the harris porter act and get thoughts from you on the other side. let's take a watch. >> kamala harris has spent decades fighting violent crime. as a border state prosecutor, she took on violent crimes and drug smugglers across the border

. as vice president, she backed the toughest border patrol bill indicates. as president, she will hire thousands more border agents and cracked down on fentanyl and human trafficking. fixing the border is tough, so is chemic harris. >> i am chemic harris and i approve this message. >> racquel, what are your thoughts there? i think it is kind of gutsy. i love the sort of open up the conversation on my terms. what do you think? >> i will tell you this, i was at the rally last night and the energy was incredible. what i did not see were signs that said, mass deportation. as we all remember, we have the rnc convention carrying mass deportation signs. vice president kamala harris was talking about comprehensive immigration reform in a border state where we know may not always need the solution to come out of the shadows. yes,

she talked about addressing the border. she talked about coming after the bad actors. she also talked about the fact that we need to have an pathway through citizenship. that is what we have been talking about, about keeping families together, about bringing people together, finding solutions and executing on this once and for all. latinos in our state are looking for a candidate like vice president kamala harris and governor walz to make sure we deliver on this issue, instead of spreading hate and fear mongering on this issue because republicans have made this issue such a wedge issue, that you are right, people are trying to steam away from it, but i am glad we are talking about this issue and talking about it in a way that is comprehensive. >> governor whitman, arizona is interesting to me in part because it is demographically a microcosm of this country.

you have a younger, diverse population pushing change in that state. you also have an aging white population in that state, some still lean more toward conservative. i want you to take a listen to the message of the mayor of mesa, arizona, a republican himself, trying to deliver that message to those voters. take a listen. >> the republican party has been taken over by extremists, that are committed to forcing people in the center of the political spectrum out of the party. so, i have something to say to those of us in the political middle. you don't owe a thing to that political party. >> governor whitman, i wonder if you think that message resonates with the audience it is intended for? >> i do. i think it resonates very much here there are so many republicans who are disaffected.

number one, i grew up in the republican party. i have been in the republican party all my life. now, i am a for it is, as you heard in the introduction, one of the cofounders of the four reduced party that we are third- party. people deserve choices so we don't get insight into the type of mess we have been into during this campaign. frankly in a much better spot than we were just a few weeks ago. still, if you think about what we have been going through the past six months, leading up to president biden stepping aside, we did not have to be here if the two parties had been more open, if they had been more welcoming to people, if they had not become so extreme. now, we have a chance to, at least in this election cycle, to ensure we save our democracy, which is what this is really about, and there are so many republicans that are fed up with the hate, with the name party. the republican party in which i grew up in, and michael you know this as well as i do, we were not racist. we believed in the rule of law.

we believed in the constitution. we just aren't that party anymore. >> we are not. by any stretch of the imagination, governor. we are a long way away from that space. jasmine, it begs the question for me, how is the public in what you are finding through your reporting, and covering this election? are these efforts by the harris campaign, not just on immigration, but on other issues -- we can talk about the war with ukraine, and the middle east, and other areas on foreign-policy. this combination of domestic and foreign policy is certainly at play. it strikes me that chemic kamala harris and her campaign are not afraid to lean into these areas, in which democrats typically would tread a little lighter in the past, because they would not want the ugly narrative that republicans would

throw up. today, they seem to say, bring it, if you're going to say it, say it to my face. how is the public feeding off of this right now? >> i think the one thing that nina harris campaign was aware of were harris's limitations and liabilities on issues like immigration. she is not yet tied to the negativity around biden's economy, but we know that is a sort subject around the country. i think she wanted to be out front knowing that republicans will hit her on immigration, knowing that republicans will hit her on immigration, even though she was not the president at the time. i think what you are seeing people resonate in these 50,000 person rallies, 12,000 person rallies, is the energy and momentum that hears replacing biden on the ticket, him stepping down, has created optimism. in imagery is what i hear. i was in milwaukee last week, the first thing people say.

they are hoping that her policy positions start to color in people's minds when they talk to both max and they say, i don't know how she would legislate on this one, i don't know how she would enforce this policy. they are hoping that these apps would not only push against republicans efforts to quickly define her in this race, also color people's minds, hoping that they learn more about the vice president. when she talks about immigration, she talks about her past as attorney general. she has not always talked about her past when running for office. that is why you hear her leaning more into be a prosecutor for criminal justice . it is not something she has always talked about in previous races. i think she they are both trying to confront narratives republicans want to put in place, but give republicans-- americans another option to think about her and think about her in the way they want her to

. >> i want you to pick up what the enthusiasm we heard about from jasmine's reporting, specifically this national poll taken before tim walz was named as vice president kamala harris's pick as her running mate. among likely voters, harris leading from head to head 53% to 23% back in may, that number 51 to 49. there is some belief that harris at the top of the ticket has opened the map for democrats. what is it going to take for democrats to arizona in the column? >> we need to continue to do the work we have been doing for years, engaging people at their doors come knocking on doors, ensuring that they know we have the best agenda possible. i have been in the campaign trail over 500 days now, since last year. i can tell the difference at the doors when we are talking to voters max, and the excitement. it was not just

voting against someone, it was voting for somebody, voting for a vision, voted for an opportunity for their families. that is a game changer. at the end of the day, it is always going to be about engaging the voters max, having the one on one conversation. here in arizona, something we have done very well, even before we had m.a.g.a.. we had russell pearce, the author of sb 1070 and we defeated those bad actors through the years by engaging our communities. we have been knocking on doors, even before we had the excitement on the ticket. now that we have motivation, you get to see more people engaging their neighbors. yesterday, it was 115 degrees outside. it was a friday afternoon, and the place was packed by two 2:00 in the afternoon. it was wild. it was really the harris campaign really has to feel really great and we in arizona feel really great about delivering arizona one more time , because the excitement is, at

the end of the day, a game changer. remember, we won arizona in 2020 by 10,000 votes. making sure that every vote is counted, taking sure we have energy in the room will be something that will help us deliver 100%. >> raquelteran, former chair of the arizona democratic party, thank you for getting up early with us. jasmine, governor, you're sticking with us. next, former president donald trump decided to leave his mar-a-lago hideaway and throw a rally. representative joe new this on how the democratic ticket may impact races. you are watching "the weekend."? (man) ahhh! (woman) oh! (man) oh no. (woman) dang it! (vo) you break it. we take it. trade in any phone, in any condition. guaranteed at verizon. and get the new galaxy s24 on us.

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so, donald trump is struggling to accept a lot of things, but certainly accepting the dynamics of the presidential race is top of mind. last night, in montana, for example, translate into wishful thinking, claiming president biden could jump back into the race. >> i hear he is going to make a comeback at the democrat convention. he is going to walk in the room and say, i want my presidency back, i want another chance to debate from. >> of course, that is not going to happen. chemic harris is officially the democratic residential nominee and trump's alternative reality

was on full display on thursday. he ran through a so-called news conference, i guess that is what that was at his florida beach resort, complaining about crowd sizes. the washington post writes quote, one thing he did not do, offer anything amounting to a coherent or detailed case against harris and her running mate, minnesota governor tim walz. back with us, jasmine wright and former new jersey governor christine whitman. governor, you said about how the republican party is not the republican party you and i lead at one time. you have now at the top of the party, someone like donald trump, who as we just saw on thursday, who is largely incoherent, not focused on delivering a clear message, what does that say, less about the party, but the country in that he is still holding 37,

38% of voters out there, even at this stage, even with all the excitement on the democratic side, are there other things that both the campaign and the rest of us being involved with the forward party, should be looking at what the american people are saying that they still like for donald trump? >> actually, they are saying, they still don't feel anyone is talking to or about them, that anyone has really gotten the message. although, i think the harris- walz ticket is now addressing those issues. i think it is a very smart strategy to go after the issues you know they are coming after you on and put out real policy, which is what they are doing. that message needs to get out more so that people can get comfortable. there are solutions to these issues that are driving them crazy, as it were. i think also, they have so often with trump for so long

for me to admit they were wrong , somehow it was all a sham, which it was, but to admit that now is very difficult. we admit a lot of things as americans, saying we were wrong is not our strong points. for individuals that have been there, that have dug so deep, it is hard for them not to sort out truth from fiction, because a lot of what you pointed out he has said is pure fiction. that is confusing people. you should be able to believe the next president. by the way, thank you very much for calling him an ex president, because he is not former, former is for people that left the office voluntarily, not got kicked out. i know guys who are nuts. >> i love it, the governor bringing the state, alicea. >> early in the morning too. jasmine, as a part of the flailing of what we have seen on the trump-vance ticket

attacking governor walz service, you had what had come up that has come up before. i want you to take a listen to the way he was addressing it on the trellises in glendale, arizona friday. and we will talk about it on the other side. >> some of you know him in here, you had him, a chain smoking, career war veteran, cared about his community of about two days after i turned 17, he took me down to join the army national guard. for 24 years, i proudly wore that uniform. [ cheers and applause ] i am proud of that service, but what my nation gave my dad and millions of others, and me, was an opportunity to use the g.i. bill to get a college education. >> jasmine, no one has better source inside the harris campaign, then you, your sense of how they feel the walz has

changed the dynamics of this ticket? >> i think they are totally excited because, in a large way, governor walz dollars is the vice president. obviously, she is a really dynamic politician, a black woman, southeast asian woman from the west coast who has been in politics in some way or fashion the last 20 years. the governor is from the midwest, from nebraska, has these midwestern roots. people liken him to their uncle or dad. obviously, you have a strong military background, strong congressional background before you went to congress. i think they're pretty ecstatic about it. off of attacks from his record, i was talking to people around the vice president and that vetting process to say, these questions have come up and the governor warned that these attacks on him might stand or continue because they come up in every race that he has faced since leaving the army national guard. i think these are

accusations, or allegations that they were prepared to attack. it is different that when it happened in 2004, because democrats did not push back. here, you're seeing a concerted effort to push back on the attacks against governor walz, fresh after his announcement. i think you are seeing a renewed effort to push back against criticism, levied against the vice president herself. i think the vice president's campaign has felt really emboldened by this first week he has been on the ticket. of course, they have raised more than $36 million in the first i think they said three days or something like that, since that announcement. i think they will continue to try and keep up this momentum, this trajectory, even though they know they will have harder stretches down the line. >> governor, we have about a minute or so left. i want to get your thoughts. we touched on this around the policy issue. it is very interesting what i see happening now with the

harris campaign and that they are offering this excitement and energy, this sense of hope. there is also this party of change idea. defining the change becomes very important and you do that through policy. she is talking about the change being leaning into issues around childcare, women's reproductive rights, et cetera. how do you see the policy narrative leveling up the campaign, irrespective of trump ? for democrats to really focus the country's idea or attention rather on what they are going to do next, starting in 2025 in the harris administration? >> it is critical. it really is, michael. as you know, first of all, i think the policy makes the politics. that is what people need to hear. they need to hear, what are you going to do? they need to have this feeling that yes, things will change and they will change in the direction i like, hopefully, for most of them. they need to understand that there is a substance there.

part of the frustration has been, for so long, that congress does not get things done. they spend most of their time in political and fights, not delivering for the public. and the public is demanding it. that is what has gotten us in this place, frankly, is people not voting, because they felt it did not make a difference and they were frustrated. like the border bill, there, you have a bipartisan bill as a first step that leads to solving a very real problem and donald trump steps in and says, don't do it, because i want to play politics. that is what people have been seeing, politics shoved aside in favor of policy and in favor of politics. with this campaign going out and talking about policy, it is going to bring it home, i believe for people, give them a feeling of keeping that enthusiasm going, that this is important, this is change. it is a brighter future, we are not a dark people.

>> i love it. that is what you bring first thing in the morning, governor. thank you so much former governor, christine todd whitman , thank you so much for being with us. 86 days until the election. democrats have their eyes on the white house and capitol hill. assistant minority leader tells on the push toward november. be sure to follow our show on social media, folks. come on now, you know our handle everywhere is at the weekend msnbc. . with t-mobile's reliable 5g business internet. employees get the information they need instantly. this is how business goes further with t-mobile for business. meet the jennifers. jen x. jen y. and jen z. each planning their future through the chase mobile app. jen x is planning a summer in portugal with some help from j.p. morgan wealth plan. let's go whiskers. jen y is working with a banker to budget for her birthday.

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pennsylvania, and michigan. here's a look at some of those ads. >> mike rogers took millions from big pharma, wall street, and congress and voted their way and went to work for companies hoping chinese and saudi businesses while michiganders lost jobs overseas. dave mccormick said, he would be very happy to see our reproductive rights taken away. segment mccormick wants to outlaw abortions and says, he was against exceptions, even in cases of rape and incest. >> democrats are working to flip the majority in the house. joining us now, democratic congressman from colorado, the house assistant minority leader who serves on the judiciary committee. >> good morning, congressman. a little busy, aren't we? [ laughter ] >> good morning, good to see you. very busy. >> look, i think people sort of look at these house and senate races as really the same race,

but they really aren't. a statewide race is different from a congressional race and the fact that the democrats have been able to manage that split screen where they are now in a position, it looks like, to be not just competitive to me but hold the senate along certain grounds. no, things still have to fall in place with some of the candidates, for sure, but how are you feeling looking at the situation right now between the house and senate efforts to level up the game for the democrats to not only hold the house,-- i mean take the house back, but hold the senate? >> good morning, and good to be with you. i am feeling very optimistic about the road ahead. as you said, michael, at the end of the day, every race is unique and dependent upon a particular candidate's record and envision for the country. we are all undergirded by our

shared values. in that sense, i cannot be more optimistic and hopeful about our ability to ultimately win november 5th, to win the majority, to make speak for jeffrey's-- speaker jeffrey's on november 4th and elect vice presidents kamala harris president of the united states. in terms of the empirical data, the polling trending in our direction, i think that is a reflection of the very optimistic and hopeful vision that vice president kamala harris has articulated to the country over these last few weeks. at the end of the day, you know this, lisa knows this as well, elections are about the future, not about the past. the voters will have a choice to make between two very different visions for the future your division vice president pierce has articulated for the country that is open and optimistic about our ability to address consequential challenges, and in a very dark and divisive vision that former president donald trump has of course articulated, perhaps best

articulated in his project 2025 plans. i am optimistic, as i said, about the road ahead and our ability to win november 5th. >> as you said congressman, the past versus the future it is interesting to me you have the ex-president wanting to drag the passed out into the light. here he is with what i would call a wacky and dangerous presser at palm beach. take a listen to what he had to say about january 6th. >> if you look at january 6, which a lot of people aren't talking about very much. i think those people were treated very harshly to me when you compare them to other things that have taken place in this country where a lot of people were killed, no one was killed january 6. i think the people of january 6th were treated very unfairly. >> let's just roll through that as a fact check. number one, this idea that a

lot of people are not talking about january 6th, it is at the core of this very race here there is a concern there is still a permission structure in place for this to happen again. again, this idea nobody was killed january 6th, also untrue what i think is perhaps arguably among the most alarming things, the people of january 6th were treated very unfairly. what does all of that tell you about what donald trump imagines, both if he were to win and if you were to lose?>> it tells me a few things. first and foremost that he is, as he has been, myopically focused on the past and retribution, and of course, as you know, i served as impeachment manager following january 6th at the impeachment trial that followed. i was there january 6th on the house floor. i think that the american people clearly disagree with his rendition and his characterization of what happened on that day when we came dangerously close to ultimately a subversion of the peaceful transfer of power, and of course, we share the

concerns many have articulated about his willingness to engage in the same type of conduct he did four years ago. at the end of the day, what i would say, is, the american people have grown tirelessly of his rhetoric and ultimately, of a party, his party, that has been arrested any ideas to make people's lives better, to address the challenges they are facing in their everyday lives. that is ultimately what the selection will be about. we want to have vice president harris become a president so she can lower cost for the middle class and protect fundamental freedoms, or do the american people want a former president who, as we know, ultimately attempted to subvert the peaceful transfer of power four years ago. i think the american people would choose the former and ultimately reelect the democratic house majority with her in partnership next year. >> you are seemingly in a good position, congressman, to get there in that regard because

you have got the cook political report putting out on thursday three battleground states that were once leaning republican, and now are tossup's. arizona, georgia, nevada. this speaks to the competitive nature that this campaign for the presidency has become and the impact it is having down ballot. a part of that also matters around ticket splitters, people who may vote for kamala harris for president and maybe a different candidate down-- how are democrats assessing that aspect of this pain as well, trying to hold their vote together so that, to our earlier point in the conversation, you can take advantage and battleground states like georgia, arizona, and nevada where you are winning the u.s. senate seat, for example, and presidency? >> i would say a couple of

things, michael. first and foremost, vice president harris and coach walz are generating a level of enthusiasm and excitement amongst all americans, but in particular, of course, folks within the democratic party, but in the pendants-- independence as well, but some recoveries republicans that we have not seen in the better part of half, not just electing them as president and vice president, but ultimately house democrats and senate democrats up and down the ballot. it is why you saw, for example, the successful rally vice president harris had in wisconsin a few short days ago with tammy baldwin, of course one of our great u.s. senators that is up for reelection in the battleground state. the same could be said for michigan and arizona just last night. i would also say, i agree with

one of the guess you had on previously about ultimately elections being around policy and the need for us to articulate a policy focused vision for the future. the policy is-- that vice president harris is talking about on the campaign trail, the child tax credit, including reproductive healthcare, immensely popular with the american people, it is why i think trusting the outpouring of support across the border, and why i think this ticket and health democrats will be successful in rural america, in urban america, and everywhere in between am including here in colorado, by the way. >> so interesting, michael, right? especially as we see the emphasis in the last two days on the mountain west. that swing through the midwest, but all of a sudden i know colorado was not in question, but colorado, nevada there was a trump-- point in the truck campaign, but he is in nevada, arizona as always will come down to the turnout to election day itself. th congressman michael, the map has changed. >> oh yeah, definitely.

congressman, speak to that. georgia is a swing state. arguably. what is the use, or are we missing something here for me or is this map changing it a way for democrats? >> i think the map is expanding , arizona, nevada, similarly to colorado, we have incredibly talented, exceptional candidates running those states in terms of the house. of course, the senate as well. the vice president, again immensely popular in those states, as well as georgia. georgia has two democratic senators we elected not too long ago. it is a state we should be able to compete in tiered ultimately, i think we will win. we can't be complacent. there is about 85 days left. a lot of time for us to ensure we get the vote out and we intend to do just that. >> congressman as always, thank

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treatment you know, michael, the only thing that makes playing trumpet sound work it worth it, is in your reaction. [ laughter ] take a listen to what he said in palm beach on thursday and you can tell me what you think.

>> nobody has spoken to crowds bigger than me. if you look at martin luther king, when he did his speech, his big speech, and you look at ours, same real estate, same everything, same number of people, if not, we had more. and i say it, if anybody i know is jewish, and they would vote for kamala over me, they should have their head examined. and a lot of my people, the m.a.g.a. as they call them, the base, i think the base is 75% of the country, far beyond the republican party, because we are a party of common sense and i am a person of common sense. >> it is very clear donald trump is taking advantage of the marijuana laws of florida because that brother must be high as hell thinking that-- comparing himself to martin luther king . you know what, donald, the only difference between the real estate in 1963 , the real estate in 2017 is

martin luther king. that is the biggest difference. you ate him. this is the thing that kills me , one of the things that really bothers me about that press conference, and we will maybe talk about it a little later on , is, the way the press lets all of that slide, and not really push back and go, really? on what grounds do you think your events and martin luther king's events align the same? it frustrates me that this guy gets away with a lot of this crazy noise, and people are entertained by it, but it is dangerous entertainment. it is dangerous entertainment. >> it is dangerous indeed, that is the most important part of all. especially when the stakes are high. we want to turn our attention to south america, the crisis in willow and beyond. you are watching "the weekend.". weekend.".

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it is the latest crackdown against anyone criticizing the results of the recent presidential election. maduro claims he won. outside observers and the u.s. government say, it is clear he lost. the maduro regime say, at least 2400 have been arrested in protests. rights groups say, 23 people have been killed. what is unfolding in venezuela is a reminder of the reasons some flee their countries, seeking asylum. our next guest, journalist caitlin dickerson, took a month- long journey through the border region between colombia and panama. the only land route from south america to central america. it is one of the most dangerous tracks in the world. it is one that thousands of migrants attempt every year. caitlin dickerson joins us now, a staff writer for the atlantic. >> good morning. thank you for being here. the reason we begin with venezuela is because you have a third of venezuelans saying, they were planning on living in the country, a reminder that we talk about immigration in a fluid and volatile situation. tell us what it is that brought you to the gap.

>> i've been writing about immigration for a long time and i've been watching the numbers. they have risen again and again. the first bike was 2015. prior to that, you have a couple of hundred people crossing this land route every year. other than that, you really only have drug cartels moving drugs and guns through the country because it is so dangerous. what happens when alternative paths close, especially paths to the united states, where a lot of people who are migrating want to? they look for alternatives, and the cartels take advantage. that is why the numbers have gone up so much. >> caitlin, to be honest at this point, i just think a lot of people look at u.s. policy, particularly here in the u.s. as just unserious. you have the administration put forward arguably one of the most conservative border bills to address a lot of the concerns that certainly republicans have, yet, republicans welled up killing it. you have the

harris campaign now leaning into the border conversation. what is your assessment of the politics right now, given what you see and notice happening in places like venezuela, the difficulty in dangerous nature that people are attempting to risk their lives to hear me to flee oppression, and a lack of rights and freedom, to a place where they are not even willing to make the place is for them to? how do you see this issue around politics right now? >> i'm actually going to join you and i think unserious is a good assessment of the situation. immigration has become a political football and a flash port. more on the right than on the left, republicans led by donald trump have zeroed in on immigration as a winning issue for him, but not in the sense that he is trying to fix the

immigration system tied to his presidency before, or promising to if reelected. no, it is actually that he has zeroed in on talking about the crisis, kind of flaming anger, anxiety, and fear of a crisis, and leading the charge to kill this bipartisan bill that you mentioned. what would have to happen for immigration policy in the united states to actually have an impact, i think after looking at this issue for years, is a much more comprehensive approach. you have to have the department of homeland security talking to the state department, looking at what is going on in venezuela. we have become so lego laser focused in this debate on the southern border, as if you can address immigration to the united states from arizona, texas, and california. you can't. you have to look abroad at the issues people are fleeing. they help to explain to me there is a u.n. official who is

quoted in my store who says, we have set up camp throughout latin america to try to warn people about the dangers of the gap and discourage them. and they have tunnel vision. what they say in response, look, i know i am risking my life by crossing the jungle, but this is not the hardest thing or at most dangerous thing i have ever faced. if we don't take that into consideration while writing policy, we will not have an impact. >> can we pull up some of the images taken by notable photographer lindsay todaro? i think it was smart to take a photojournalist in order to capture these images, speaks to the danger, the fact that you see a lot of children taking this journey. you've referenced that a lot of children under number five are the fastest demographic taking this journey. hear people say, shut down the border, cut it off. that type of thinking is how we have ended up with children under 5 crossing through a careless jungle. >> that is exactly right. a

real focus for me is, i got into a different story of the darien gap, got in to see what was going on and i started to figure out, how did we get here? what i learned was that the u.s. government, obviously we have cracked down on the u.s. border, but we have also put a lot of pressure on the latin american nations to restrict visas from people who would have liked to of course prefer to take an airplane. what happens if you can't fly closer to the united states, not that people stop migrating, but their routes change. you have this economy where it is challenging that i had to bring a war photographer with me to the darien gap and i waited a long time to find someone who is a partner that i felt comfortable and safe going with. lindsay is one of the most experienced people working in dangerous, wartime situation in journalism today. i was so grateful to be with

her. and then, we ended up spending so much time with young children, 30,000 kids crossed the darien gap just this year. again and again, we saw babies. it shows again that you have got to have a comprehensive approach to this issue, because it is this simple reflex of trying to shut the door that leads to situations like this. >> caitlin dickerson, my friend, thank you so much. be sure to check out her cover story in the atlantic next month. treatment another packed weekend coming up. that is all coming up on "the weekend." claimant ♪ (vo) you've got your sunday obsession and we got you. now with verizon, get nfl sunday ticket from youtube tv on us and get every out-of-market sunday game.

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