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the harris-tran12 ticket continues to draw massive crowds and move up in the polls, and folks, all of the momentum is driving the former guy absolutely nuts. plus, we are going to show you the wide-ranging interview with former house speaker nancy pelosi. you will hear her thoughts about the state of the race and the state of her relationship with president biden. two and later, an increasingly clueless jade events continues to attack tim walz's years of service but i will talk to former army ranger jason crow who is calling those attacks a flat out disgrace. >> [ music ] all right, i am sure at some point, you have all known a schoolyard bully who insults and attacks and demeans people to get their way. and a lot of the time, it works for them. but then a new kid comes to

school and the insults just aren't landing. the attacks just aren't sticking. the police power starts to shrink, and the new kid changes the vibe on the playground. that is what we are seeing play out in the 2024 race right now. vice president kamala harris is beating donald trump in the money game, out raising him by more than double in july. she is beating him and the ground game, holding multiple rallies across several swing states this week, while trump held one in montana? she is beating him and the enthusiasm game, with huge crowds lining up for miles and packing arenas to see her. she is rising in the polls, leading in three crucial states of michigan, pennsylvania, and wisconsin. according to a new poll from the new york times out just this weekend. and she is definitely beating him in the running mate game.

>> madame vice president, i want to say thank you for putting the trust in me to be your running mate. she has done so much, and with you together, it has reminded us about something. it has reminded us that this work can be about goodness, it can be about smiling. >> well, i smile at a lot of things, including bogus questions from the media. >> vice president harris believes in those freedoms, she knows that every single person is you get a chance at the middle class. she believes in something so beautiful, the promise of america. >> they don't want to have a beer with me, because i actually do like to drink beer, probably a little too much, but that's okay. >> my mom and dad taught us, show generosity towards your neighbors and work toward a common good. >> i figured i would come by, this could be my plan in a few months. >> and just like her running mate, harris is exciting, energetic, and joyful, while trump, like vance, is boring

and mad and dark. >> our campaign is not just about us versus donald trump. it is about two different visions for our nation. one, ours, focused on the future. the other focused on the past. >> we are going to evict crazy kamala. >> we fight for the future. a future with affordable healthcare, affordable childcare, and paid leaves. x they said, oh, she had a big crowd, the press is talking about the crowd. in new jersey, i had 107,000 people, the press never even talked about it. >> we love our country and i do believe it is the highest form of patriotism to fight for the ideals of that country. >> you know, it's interesting, nobody really knows her last name. if you ask people, you know

what her last name is, nobody has any idea what it is. harris, it's like harris, i don't know, how did this happen? >> that is a good question. folks, the spotlight on harris and all the joy surrounding her campaign is clearly driving donald trump just a bit crazy. and he is getting desperate, holding an hour long rambling press conference at mar-a-lago and re-agreeing to debate harris after backing out and trying to set the terms of the debate himself. and he is getting defensive, resorting to his playbook of insults and name-calling, and rage posting on truth social about crowd sizes. here is the bottom line on all of this, team harris is on the rise. team trump is flailing. i would say even flatlining. they know it and you and i know it. so, they are getting real desperate, real defensive, and real devices. but nothing they say, none of

it is sticking. none of it is working. and those crowds for kamala harris and tim walz, well, they just keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger. molly john fast is a special correspondent for vanity fair and host of the past politics podcast. matthew dobb, my old friend, was the chief strategist for the bush-cheney 2004 campaign, that was a long time ago, bro. and they both join me now, it is great to see you guys. matt, let's start with you. you and i have been in the gop space a long time. you have found the offramp, i'm still like driving miss daisy down this thing. i see a very defensive trump campaign right now. i see a campaign that hasn't figured out in 3 1/2 weeks how to narrate a story around kamala harris to blunt the success out of the gate.

what do you say? >> exactly the same thing, and i don't think they have any idea how to deal with both the vice president and with governor walz, i don't think they have a clue of what to do. and i think what upsets them more is the happiness and joy by which those two campaign. by the way is harris and walz both campaign. i even think that makes them angry or in the course of this. and i think we are at such a moment -- i wrote about this this weekend, such a trauma that a moment of joy actually just comes to be a huge breath of fresh air the country needs, it can exhale. it no longer feels like it has to be in a constant fight. it no longer thinks it has to flee. it no longer feels like it is in fear. and i think that's what i think is most unnerving to the trump campaign. it is not the issue sets and all of that, which i think harris and walz have an advantage on, it is the tone and nature of the way they are

campaigning that i think any one of us who has been close to a campaign knows the campaigns that are most happy and most fun almost always win. >> that is very true, molly. i think there is something to say about joy. it is a bit infectious, right? it makes you want to be a part of something. what we see with donald trump right now, he is clearly mad. he is frustrated, he is angry, he is not doing well. he is watching these crowd sizes, and i submit to you, molly, that's what actually drew him to have the press conference, was a report about the crowd sizes, more than anything else, more than his vice presidential pick and the crazy that. it was the thing that struck at his core the most, and that is fewer people like him then like her. how do you see this momentum shift for the campaign right now? as they are drawing more people out, they are gaining ground in

the important swing states. how do they take advantage of this momentum as they get ready for their convention? >> well, i think it is important to realize -- just one more thing about trump, trump has been running for president since 2016, right? he has often used some of the same attacks, so he has used the same attacks on hillary clinton, on joe biden, and now he is using the same attacks on harris, and you know, that is a long time to be using these attacks. and so, you know, he keeps saying if you vote for him, you're not going to have a country anymore, he said that same thing about joe biden, we still have a country. and i think he is having a lot of trouble adopting to a new candidate and he is just sort of stuck in it, which is kind of, you know, amazing. and now you have democrats going into this convention, already harris is doing quite well in polls. we all are a little skeptical about polls, but the direction

is certainly very important. so, she could not be in a better place to head into a campaign -- into a convention, which tends to historically provide a bounce. >> so, let's shift a little bit, matthew, and sort of pull the lens out a little bit further on the debate stage, because that now is also shifting from what it was to something a little bit crazy now, into something a little bit more settled. trump is still out there, of course, talking about a fox debate that no one has agreed to but him. it does seem like he is going to debate on september 10th against harris at that point. how do you assess this -- this aspect of this, with the september 10th debate as a lock, is there an incentive for the other two to take place at fox and nbc a little bit later in the month of september? how do you see the debate

advantage or disadvantage for both of these candidates? >> i am not convinced that trump is going to show up on september 10th. i think he announced this thing early this morning where i am going to do the fox debate, then we have abc and nbc, as if he is saying if she doesn't show up to his invented fox debate, that somehow gives him permission to not do any debates in the spirit so, i think in the end, he has to show up, because i think it is the only moment left in the campaign that he can blunt the momentum of vp harris in this campaign. it is the only big moment left. yes, there are tv ads and organization and press conferences, but the debate is the only way to shift the race back to his terrain in the course of the spring i think she is exactly right to say, let's have the debate, then we can decide if there are more debates in the course of this. i don't necessarily think a debate on fox news, which denied the election results, and had to pay millions of

dollars, is the place to do it. nbc may be a place to do it in the course of this, and i think she can easily draw the line in saying election deniers are not going to hold a debate, i think she is in a perfect position in the negotiation of the process, because he needs a debate a lot more than she does and she has got a huge advantage, as i said earlier, by tone and by substance in the course of this to present herself in a debate. they are in the drivers seat. and listen, this race -- fundamentally, she has her hands on the steering wheel in this race. the olympics ended today, the democratic convention starts in a week or so, so she has gotten her hand on the steering wheel of this all the way through labor day and this, and as i said, the only way donald trump can change the narrative and story line of this race that has developed so far and is beginning to solidify it to her advantage is through the debate.

>> i agree with that analysis all the way through, because i think there is no incentive, molly, for the vice president to play the fox game, why would you go in a house of deniers? why would you go into the house of election deniers and pretend that this is normal, number one. number two, you have got the momentum going into your convention, you're going to have the momentum coming out of the convention, the work to that. you have got a debate on the 10th, and you may decide we will do one later in the month or early october, but that event is clearly hers. the disadvantage, however, still lies with trump, debate or no debate, around his vice presidential pick, because the new york times is out here this morning reporting that when he was asked about democrats trying to paint his ticket as weird, and by the way, they are weird, trump said, "not about me, they are saying that about jd." vance was asked about that in an interview this morning, and let's have some fun.

>> the new york times reports that when donald trump was asked about it, he said not me, they are talking about jd. >> well, certainly they have levied that charge against me more than anybody else, but i think it drives home how they are trying to distract from their own policy failures. i mean, look, this is fundamentally a schoolyard bully stuff, they can accuse me of whatever they want to accuse me of. i accept their attacks, but i think it is a little bit of projection. >> [ laughter ] i'm sorry. i am not supposed to laugh coming back into this, but when you're funny, you're funny, jd, i am sorry. without any irony, without the hint of irony, molly, he is accusing democrats of name- calling. i will just let you roll with that for a moment. >> [ laughter ] well, it's ironic because trump was famous for his nicknames in 2016. he nicknamed all his republican primary competition and he did

it quite successfully, right? lying ted, he has had trouble capturing that -- i don't want to say magic, but he was able to make bullying part of the republican primary fight. so, i do think it is ironic. i would also add, remember, there is a reason why donald trump's previous vice president can't run with him. and every time i see this, you know, i want to remember, like mike pence, you know, who now -- is he a never trumper? i don't know for sure. he created the permission structure to let evangelicals vote for trump, and now, where is he? >> [ laughter ] molly, giving me the laugh. molly, thank you so much. matthew., thank you, appreciate you, brother. coming up, jen sat down with former house speaker nancy pelosi this week for a fascinating conversation that you just don't want to miss.

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will we see you out on the campaign trail for vice president pence customer >> yes, you will, i talked to her frequently, and by the way, i know her running mate, he is a great guy. we grew up in the same neighborhood, he is my kind of guy. he is real, he is smart, i have known him for several decades. >> that was president biden talking about governor tim walz in an interview that aired this morning on cbs. and governor walz is one of the many topics that jen discussed with former house speaker nancy pelosi this week. here is their conversation. >> you have known tim walz for a long time, you spoke glowingly about him. i remember in 2006 when he was

running for congress, and a lot of people liked him, but didn't think he could necessarily win. but what i love about that is you just connected with people in this district. what do you hope the american public sees about who he is as a human being? >> he is the all american man, he is just fabulous. and that year, we even had some contention within democrats about the priority of that race. my daughter christina doing boot camps, she loves to train worker candidates and the rest, and he was one of her boot campers. but nonetheless, a very difficult republican seat. but he really did connect, connect as a long term, long serving veteran now, and then as a person who grew up on the farm and worked in agriculture, could speak to rural america. it just a lovely family man. his wife gwen, they were a team

really, coming to congress but their children were little, now they are bigger. but he was part of our big victory that year, to take back the house for the democrats, for the american people, for the children, and he was part of our victory to pass the affordable care act. >> that should be a big part of your legacy, and certainly his. we knew the republicans would go after him, because that's what they do. they have been going after him and calling him dangerously liberal, a san francisco liberal, nothing wrong with that, but i don't think he is one. they have been calling him #tampontim because of the state law for public schools to have menstrual products, which is a great thing. now they are attempting to attack his military record. he served for 24 years in the national guard. he was the highest enlisted member of congress. had been the highest ranking enlisted member of congress when he was in congress and did an enormous amount on the veterans affairs committee. what do you say to these efforts to attack his military record?

let's first of all, it is a son of bankruptcy of their ideas, they don't have anything to say, so they make up things. first of all, he was in the national guard 20 years, but then 9/11 happened, so he signed up for four more years. he retired from that to run for congress months before his unit was assigned to being deployed, so it was after he left. so, they are just trying to confuse things. but he came to congress and was respected by colleagues, elected to be the top democrat on the veterans affairs committee, where he -- working with chad edwards on the appropriations committee and the authorizing committee, did historic -- made historic advances for veterans, meeting their needs. more than had been done since the g.i. bill during world war ii. >> i worked on john kerry's campaign and you worked hard on john kerry's campaign, and he was swift boated during that time.

i'm just curious, even though these are baloney charges, absurd on-demand who served in the national guard, should they be punching back at this? >> they should just dismiss it, because people lie as they are lying, and you hear the lie enough times, it sort of becomes some kind of accepted -- in their group. and so, you have to say, no, that didn't happen. like they are criticizing him about minneapolis and the president praised him, we have it on tape. how it went. so, the reality has to be driven home. i'm not one to let the misrepresentations persist. and by the way, he signed up -- you know, he is there for 20 years, then when 9/11 happened, you signed up for two more terms. so, and then he left, and then his unit was deployed. so, the timing is very important to note, because he really was

only gone for 20 years, but because of 9/11, persisted. so, he has been a consistent patriotic, courageous american. x i have seen up close the relationship you have to president biden, and he respects you, he loves you, that's what i saw when i was working for him. and you have known each other for so long. and david asked you if you thought your relationship would survive after president biden dropped out, and you said i hope so, i pray so, i cried so. and you said you lose sleep over it. and i just was wondering how this has impacted you personally over the last couple weeks. >> well, again, it's been his legacy as a preeminent president, i mean, and it's hard -- he is right there among the top few. a very consequential president. i wanted the decision to be a

better campaign. so that we could win. i do not think we were on a path to victory. so, that was really more the thing, he made his decision that that would be accomplished by and stepping aside. >> to your point, you said i have never been that impressed with his political operation. what was it about the operation? you have a gut instinct about this, you have been a part of many winning cycles. what was it about that and was it more that then about him as a candidate? >> oh yeah, it was about that. i praised him, he was elected president of the united states, and that was a very important election for our country. a very important election. i praise him, for that. >> the harris -- harris walz campaign is only a couple weeks old, have you been more impressed? >> the operation was there, so,

the thing is that she is personally very faith filled, and that translates into her civic responsibilities and the rest in a very faith filled way. that is -- personally, i see that. officially, she is strong about the issues you see, one of them, the women's right to choose, but there are so many others. she is strong in that guard -- regard, officially. and clinically, she is very astute, people just don't realize that. she won against the incumbent for a district attorney. she won in a very competitive race for attorney general. but she figured it out, she figured it out. she was behind, and then she won. and then she won for senate, that was easier. and then as soon as this -- shall we say -- i don't want to

say opportunity because -- well, this opportunity came along, she just rolled and did it gracefully, respectfully, in every way, and so, her political astuteness personally, officially, politically, she is ready. >> given your long friendship with president biden and how long you have loved each other, worked together so many times, i know you haven't talked since he dropped -- since he decided not to run. is there a way back with your friendship? >> let me just say, in our family, we have three generations of love for joe biden. my husband and i, of course, we have known him for a very long time, respect him, love him, he and jill are so remarkable. and their family. our kids have always loved them. i have pictures with him from our children growing up. and now our grandchildren

growing up. so, we have three generations that love him, and you know, i hope that that would sustain as we go forward, but the most important thing we have to do is to win the election, to sustain his legacy, and to have the legacy be to do even more in the presidency and the vice presidency of kamala harris and tim walz. only to victory. one good day in front of another, organize underground with mobilization, message was boldness and progressiveness, but not menacing, and we need to get the job done, it is all in place. [ inaudible ] no wasted time, no underutilized resources, and no regrets the day after the election that we could have done more. >> okay, folks, stay right where you are, because more of jan's interview with nancy pelosi is coming up after a very quick break. >> [ music ] >> [ music ]

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you don't become one of the most powerful women in politics by accident. and in her new book, "the art of power," former speaker nancy pelosi offers a compelling look back on her decades in office. here is more of jen's conversation with the former speaker. >> before you were nancy pelosi, your father had a tremendous legacy as the mayor of baltimore, a longtime member of congress, he did a lot of things, including working on a low income rental housing. i want to ask you, you have kind of risen to be in one of the most powerful women, if not the most powerful woman right now in politics. how has he and his career and his life and legacy impacted you? x in terms of my father, he then went on to serve in the kennedy administration and the johnson administration, but you started out as a poor boy. we started out in baltimore,

even when he became mayor, people thought we would move, but that wasn't ever going to happen, because he was true to his roots and the rest. but he was quite remarkable. he was a great oratory, he could turn the room around from people booing into people cheering and laughing. he became a real champion for the establishment of the state of israel, what was palestine then. and also, criticized the roosevelt administration for not doing more to help the jewish people in europe. one of the early italian americans to serve in congress. >> a very gutsy, i think maybe that is part of the legacy that has been passed on and fearless. >> but don't forget my mother, because she was the organizer, she was the policymaker, and she was all of those things, but the organizer as well. >> i love that, important to include. you also talk about your

catholic faith. i wanted to ask you about this because i think you have had some moments that i have imagined have been difficult as it relates to the faith. in 2022, the archdiocese said you should be prohibited from receiving community in any diocese because of your support of abortion rights. and there are a lot of up and coming politicians who have a similar struggle, right? they want to be true to their faith, they want to be true to what they believe politically. what you tell them and how have you dealt with that personally? >> being true to our faith, we want people to be true to their faith, and that's the way it is. i mean, i can from an italian catholic family who were not exactly where i was on a woman's right to choose, even though i was interviewed growing up with the fact that we all have a free will and have a responsibility to live up to our responsibility. and so, i felt very comfortable about having public policy that enable people to live up to their responsibilities.

our archbishop, he is the head of every parade against women's rights and a woman's right to choose and lgbtq, i don't have very much in common with him when it comes to what i call the cultural issues. i'm very happy, though, that when i go to church in washington, d.c., the cardinal here had a letter read in every parish in his diocese that communion was not a political weapon and no one would be turned away from the altar. >> you also speak glowingly, i kind of love this part of the book, about the bush family. specifically george h.w. bush, your family goes way back. do you even have some nice things to say about his son, george w. bush, which might surprise some people who read the book, because you were a strong opponent of the iraq war and that is part of his legacy. but talk to me a little bit about your relationship with the bush family and how that tells you about that period of time in politics. x you know, when you are a new member of congress, sometimes you don't really know how un-

powerful you are, so i went in there and started fighting against our policy on china. i came in '87, that happened in '89. so, i had a disagreement with president george herbert walker bush, but it was a difference of opinion, it wasn't an animosity, it was a policy. it wasn't personal. so, he was such a lovely man. as i said, when president george w. bush was being sworn in, as is the custom, go to the capitol as a leader to escort him -- go to the white house to escort him to the capitol. and so, my father and mother will be here. i said i can't wait to see him, he is a sweetheart. he said why does everybody say that about him and not about me? okay, i won't go there. but he was. and so, i told the stories, we were at one of the christmas events -- congressional

christmas events at the white house, and president senior bush comes over to me, asks about family, this or that and the rest, and he says, madam speaker, give my kid a break. >> which is such a great story, i mean, every parent can relate to that. x as a parent, i related to him myself, as a matter of fact. >> absolutely. you wrote about this in the book a lot, you have often been the only woman in the room, sometimes the first woman who has ever been in a room. there has been a lot of progress made, and you talk about this, too, in terms of more women in office, and much more diverse caucus, but what do you tell people about what progress still needs to be made? >> well, i am encouraged by the progress made. when i came to congress, there were 23 women in the house out of 435 people. 11 republicans, 12 democrats. we have 94 now. because we made a decision that we would recruit, that we would

fund, that we would encourage women. and some self recruited, at the confidence to do that. with the belief that nothing is more wholesome to a political and governmental policies than the increased participation of women, and in fact diverse city at large, not just women. so, our caucus is now 70% women, people of color, lgbtq, and it isn't that women are better than men, it is just you have to have the mix at the table, or otherwise, you are missing something very important. so, of course, we would like to see a woman president of the united states, and that seems to be -- i think it is in grasp. i do think it is what we will celebrate in november. >> [ music ] >> coming up, jd vance is trying and failing to land a blow against tim walz. i have got some thoughts about that when we come back.

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#tampontim. >> the media can't stop drooling over the midwestern whack job. >> [ inaudible ] >> he has never invested in america. >> year is twitchy tim on stage, waving profusely, very unsettling. very unsettling. men should not move this way, it is not the way we move. >> if you have ever wondered what flailing looks like, there you are. i will be the first to admit, it is extremely hard to attack a guy whose resume includes high school teacher, assistant football coach, and a 24 year veteran of the national guard. but that hasn't stopped republicans and republican vice presidential nominee jd vance. >> what bothers me about tim walz is the stolen valor garbage. do not pretend to be something you're not. and if you criticize me for getting an ivy league education, i'm proud of the fact that my grandma supported me. me.

[ inaudible ] >> okay, let's get into the facts, shall we? governor walz served for 24 years. in may 2005, he retired from service ahead of his first congressional bid. three months later, in august of [ inaudible ], due to a mobilization order from the iraq war. and while we are talking about service, let's talk about the top of senator vance's ticket, shall we? okay, buckle up. donald trump is a bone spur diagnosis led him to avoid being drafted into the vietnam war. he said that dating and avoiding stds was his own personal vietnam. he notoriously said that he likes people who weren't captured and according to his own former chief of staff, he called fallen american soldiers suckers and losers.

so, to senator vance, i know the campaign is flailing and it is probably a little bit painful for you right now, but is governor walz's service record really what you want to be throwing stones at question mark congressman jason crow is a former army ranger who served three tours in iraq and afghanistan. congressman crow joins me next. >> [ music ] >> [ music ] only on verizon. (jalen hurts) see you sunday!

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when it comes to jd vance's attacks on tim walz's record of service, i think democratic congressman tim crow put it best. we're starting to see a pattern here, turning on your own fellow veteran for political gain is kind of like turning on your beliefs to be the running mate for a man you once described as a moral disaster. joining me now is democratic congressman jason crow of colorado. he is a former army ranger who served three tours of duty in iraq and afghanistan. welcome, congressman, it is a real pleasure.

you called jd vance's attacks on tim walz -- i want to go right to this point, a flat out disgrace. can you tell us why that hit you the way it did? >> well, michael, military service is hard, so when you are in a military unit, particularly when you are deployed, you learn to rely on your brothers and sisters, your comrades. they are like family to you. so, there are very few things that are more sad to me than to see a fellow veteran unfairly attacking another veteran. out of greed, out of ambition. and that's what jd vance is doing. right? there are people in this world who make sure that their positions match their principles. unfortunately, jd vance appears to always be changing his principles to match his positions and to appease his now boss, donald trump. it is unfair, it is unjust, and frankly, it is just sad to see

a veteran do that to another veteran. >> you know, it's interesting, i really take to heart your framing there, attacking a fellow veteran. and it brought me back to the swift boating of john kerry back in the day, many, many campaigns ago. and a lot of this is reminiscent of that, where you are looking at how the trunk- vance campaign has chosen this particular line of attack against governor walz. how do you assess that? i mean, you see them trying to connect that.in a way that just won't work this time, because not just the political environment is different, but to the heart of what you just said, it really is appalling to a lot of veterans to see a fellow veteran go after one of their own. >> well, it's pretty clear, michael, what is happening here. it reeks of desperation and fear, right? they have in tim walz a 24 year

veteran of the national guard, who served honorably, who rose to one of the highest ranks you can as an enlisted soldier. he started as a private. i actually started my military career as a private, which is the lowest enlisted rank. i later became an officer and finished my time as a captain. tim walz continued to be an enlisted man. what's exciting about this is he is actually the highest ranking enlisted personnel to ever be on a presidential ticket, which is an incredible story for working-class america, right? so, you have this person who served as a football coach, a teacher, pragmatic governor, a longtime military enlisted leader who is now running on a presidential ticket, and they don't know what to do. so, they're making up lies and their fabricating things, and really, again, it's sad and shame that they are having to do that. >> so, moving from the dark into the joy, let's look at the

joy of this campaign so far. you are seeing the surge of enthusiasm among democrats, and quite honestly, just be honest, independent voters out there, as well as some republicans i know. and that has only grown since walz has joined the ticket, because certainly from a lot of the republicans that i hear, he grinds down with them a little bit. they like that feel from him. what is it about this new ticket and this enthusiasm that you think gives such a different flavor to this campaign from what we saw before? >> well, michael, first -- [ inaudible ] we are here because of the self-service and love for country of president joe biden, who did something that, as you know, in politics, people almost never do, put aside their own position, their own ambition to put the country

first, and he has decided to help the next generation of leadership for this country. and people are excited, not only because of that selfless act of service in its own right, because it is ushering in that next generation of leadership, a ticket that represents america. people from across the country from the upper midwest to the coast to the south see themselves in this ticket. they see the journey, they see the story of tim walz and vice president harris, and they see themselves, and they know they have champions for working- class america. i grew up in a working class household. i worked construction to put my way through college. i then went in the army, i fought for this country, and i see so much of that story actually in this ticket, and americans from different backgrounds see it, too, and that's why people are excited. >> all right, congressman jason crow, it was a real pleasure, thank you. we will be right back, folks, don't go anywhere. stay right there, stay there. i every 8 weeks. ( ♪♪ )

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