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and they did. and she just threw it all away, threw it all away for money. dennis murphy (voiceover): if you go to miami beach, the fontainebleau is still there, all spruced up with a new lease on life. and may has a fresh new outlook on the rest of her life too. may abad: come here, buddy. dennis murphy (voiceover): in 2011, may welcomed a new little guy in her life, a son. she named him ben after the lost prince, the namesake he never got to meet. that's all for this edition of "dateline." i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. [theme music] washington, i'm michael steele in for my friend jen psaki. don't worry. she'll be back with you tomorrow night at 8:00 p.m., but in the
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meantime, we're about to have a lot of fun. the harris fund continues to grow. all of the momentum is driving the former guy absolutely nuts. plus, we're going to show you jen's wide-ranging interview with house speaker emeritus nancy pelosi. you'll hear her thoughts about the state of the race and the state of her relationship with president biden. and later, an increasingly clueless jd vance continues to attack tim walz's 24 years of military service. i'll talk with jason crowe who's calling the attacks a flat out disgrace. all right. i'm sure at some point you've all known a school-yard bully who assaults and attacks and demeans people to get their way, and a lot of the time it works for them. but then a new kid comes to
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school, and the insults just aren't landing. the attacks just aren't sticking. the bully's power starts to shrink, and the new kid changes the vibe on the playground. that is what we are seeing play out in the 2024 race right now. vice president kamala harris is beating donald trump in the money game, outraising him by more than double in july. she's beating him in the ground game, holding multiple rallies across several swing states this week while trump held one in montana? she's beating him in the enthusiasm game with huge crowds lining up for miles and packing arenas to see her. she's rising in the polls, leading in three crucial states -- in the three crucial states of michigan, pennsylvania, and wisconsin. according to a new poll from "the new york times" poll out just this weekend. and she's definitely beating him in the running mate game. >> madam vice president, i want
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to say thank you for putting the trust in me to be your running mate. she has done so much, and with you together, it's reminded us about something. it's reminded us that this work can be about goodness. it can be about smiling. >> well, i smile at a lot of things including bogus questions from the media, man. >> vice president harris believes in those freedoms. she knows every single person should get a chance at the middle class. she believes in something so beautiful, the promise of america. >> if you want to have a beer with me, i actually do like to drink beer. i probably like to drink beer a little too much, but that's okay. >> my mom and dad taught us, show generosity toward your neighbors and work for the common good. >> i figured i'd come by. hopefully that's going to be my plane in a few months. >> just like her running mate, kamala harris is exciting, energetic, and joyful unlike
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vance who's boring and mad and dark. >> our campaign is not just about us versus donald trump. it's about two different visions for our nation. one, ours focused on the future, the other, focused on the past. >> we're going to evict crazy kamala. >> we fight for the future, a feature with affordable health care, affordable child care, and paid leave. >> they said, oh, she had a big crowd. the crowd, the press is talking about the crouse. in new jersey i had 107,000 people. the press never even talked about it. >> we love our country, and i do believe it's the highest form of patriotism to fight for the ideals of our country. >> you know, it's interesting, nobody really knows her last name. if you ask people, what is her last name, nobody knows what it
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is. harris. it's like harris. i don't know. how the hell did this happen. >> that's a good question. folks, the spotlight on harris and all of the joys surrounding her campaign is clearly driving donald trump just a bit crazy, and he's getting desperate, holding an hour.-long rambling press conference at mar-a-lago and re-agreeing to debate harris after backing out and trying to set the terms himself. and he's getting recementful, resorting to his playbook of insults and name-calling, and raging on truth social about crowd sizes. here's the bottom line on all of this. team harris is on the rise. team trump is flailing, i would say even flatlining. they know it, and you and i know it. so they are getting real desperate, redefensive, and real divisive, but nothing they say, none of it, is sticking.
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none of it is working. and those crowds for kamala harris and tim walz, well, they just keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger. molly jong-fast is a special correspondent if "vanity fair" and host of a podcast. matthew don, my old friend, was part of the bush shsh cheney campaign. that was a long time ago. let's start with you. you and i have been in the gop space a long time. you found the off-ramp. i'm still driving miss daisy down this thing. i see a very defensive trump campaign right now. i siakam pain that has. figured out in 3 1/2 weeks how to narrate a story around kamala harris to blunt the success out of the gate.
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what do you say? >> exactly the same thing. i don't think they have any idea how to deal with both the vice president and with governor walz. i don't think they have a clue what to do. i think what upsets them more is the happiness and joy by which those two campaign, by the way harris and walz both campaign. i think that makes him even angrier in the course of this. i think we're at such a moment -- i wrote about this weekend. the country is at such a trauma that a moment of joy comes do be a huge breath of fresh air that the country needs. it can exhale. it no longer feels like it has to be in a constant fight, it no longer has to fear. that's what's most unnerving to the trump campaign. it's not the issue sets that i think harris and walz have the advantage on. it's the tone and nature of the way they're campaigning that i
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think any one of us that's been even close to a campaign knows, the campaigns that are most happy and most fun almost always win. >> that is very true, molly. there's something to say about joy, right? >> yeah. >> there's something infectious. it makes you want to be part of something. what we see with trump right now, he's clearly mad. he's frustrated, angry, not doing well. he's watching these crowd sizes, and i submit, molly, that's what drew him to have the press conference was the report about the crowd sizes, more than anything else, more than his vice presidential pick, more than the crazy from that. it's the thing that struck at his core the most, and that is few people like him like her. how could the momentum shift for the campaign right now as they're drawing more people out, they're gaining ground in the
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important swing states. how do they take advantage of this momentum as they get ready for this convention? >> well, i think it's important to realize just one more thing about trump. trump has been running for president since 2016, and he's off p used the same attacks. he's use the same attacks on hillary clinton, on joe biden, and now he's using those same attacks on harris, and, you know, that's a long time to be using these attacks. and so, you know, he keeps saying, if you vote for her, you're not going to have a country anymore. he said that same thing about joe biden, and we still have a country. i think he's having a lot of trouble adapting to a new candidate, and he's just sort of stuck in it, which is kind of, you know, amazing, and now you have democrats going into this convention. already harris is doing quite well in polls. you know, we all are a little skeptical about polls, but the direction is certainly very important.
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she could not be in a better place to head into a convention, which tends to historically provide a bounds. >> let's shift a little bit, matthew, and sort of pull the lens out a little bit further on the debate stage, because that's also now shifting from what it was to something somewhere settled. trump is out there talking about a fox debate, which no one has agreed to but him. it does seem like he's going about to debate on september 10th against harris at that point. how do you assess this aspects of this? with this september 10th debate as a lock, is there an incentive for the other two to take place and fox and ac later in december?
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how do you see the advantage or disadvantage for both of these candidates? >> i'm not convinced trump is going to show up on september 10th. he announced this thing early this morning where i'm going to do the fox debate and then we have the abc debate and nbc debate, saying if she doesn't show up to his invented fox debate, that somehow gives her permission to not do any debates in this. i think in the end he has to show up because i think it's the only moment left in the campaign that he can blunt the momentum of vp harris in the campaign. it's the only big moment left. yes, there's tv ads and organization and, yes, there's press conferences, but the debate is the only way to shift the race, fundamentally shift the terrain in the course of this. i think she's exactly right. let's have a debate and we'll see if there's more. fox news denied the election result and had to pay almost
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$100 million, and i don't think it's the place to do it. nbc is the place to do it. i think she is in a perfect position in the negotiation of the process because he needs to debate a lot more than she does, and she's got a huge advantage despite, as i said earlier, by tone and substance in the course of this to present herself in the debate. they are in the driver's seat. this race -- she has her hands on the steering wheel in this race. the olympics ended today. the democratic convention starts in a week or so. so she's got her hands on the steering wheel of this all the way through labor day in this, and as i said, the only way donald trump can change the narrative and story line of this race that's developed so far and is beginning to solidify to her advantage is through the debate. >> i agree with that appal sis all the way through because i
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think there's no incentive, molly, for the vice president to play the fox game. why would you go in the house of deniers, right? why would you go in the house of election deniers and pretend that this is normal, number one. number two, you've got the momentum going into the convention, you're going to have the momentum coming out of the convention. work on. that you may decide we'll do one later in the month or early october. but that advantage is clearly hers. the disadvantage, however, still lies with trump, debate or no debate around his vice presidential pick because "the new york times" is out here this morning reporting that when he was asked about democrats trying to paint his ticket as weird -- and, by the way, they are weird -- trump said, quote, not about me. they're saying that about jd. vance was asked about that in an interview this morning, and let's have some fun.
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>> "the new york times" reports that when donald trump was asked about it, he said, not me. they're talking about jd. >> well, certainly they've leveed that charge against me more than anybody else, but i think it drives home how they're trying to distract from their own policy failures. look, this is fundamental school-yard bully zuf. they can accuse me of whatever they want to. i accept their attacks, but i think it is a little bit of projection. >> i'm sorry. i'm not supposed to laugh coming back into this, but when you're funny, you're funny, jd, i'm sorry. i mean without any irony, without the hint of irony, molly, he's accused democrats of name-calling. i'll just let you roll with that for a moment. >> well, it's ironic because trump was famous for his nicknames, right in in 2016 he nicknamed all of his republican
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primary competition, and he did it quite successfully. lyin' ted. i don't want to say he was magic, but he was able to make bullying part of the republican primary fight. i do think it's ironic. remember, there's a reason why donald trump's previous vice president can't run with him, and every time i see this, you know, i want to remember like mike pence, you know, who is now, i think -- is he a never-trumper? i don't know for sure. he created the permission structure to let's van jell calls vote for trump, and now where is he? >> molly jong-fast giving me the laugh. molly, thanks so much. matthew dowd, appreciate you better. coming up, jen sat down with house speaker nancy pelosi that you just don't want to miss.
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will we see you out on the campaign trail for vice president harris? >> yes. yes, you will. i talk to her frequently. by the way, i know her running mate as a great guy. as i say, if we grew up in the same neighborhood, we would have been friends. h is's real, he's smart, i think it's a heck of a team. >> that's president biden talked about governor walz in an interview their aed this morning on cbs. walz is one of the many topics that jen discussed with house speaker emeritus nancy pelosi this week. here's their conversation. >> you've known tim walz for a long time. you speak glowingly of him. i remember when he was running in 2006. a lot of people liked him but
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didn't know if he would win. he just connected with his district. what do you hope america sees of him as an american? >> as an american man, he's fabulous. we had conversations about the priority of that race. my daughter christine was doing boot camps. she loves to train candidates and the rest, and he was one of her boot campers. nonetheless, very difficult republican seat. he really did connect -- connect as a long-term, long-serving veteran now and then as a person who grew up on the farm, who worked in agriculture, could speak to rural america. just a lovely family man. his wife gwen, they were a team, really, coming to congress. his children were little. now they're bigger. he was part of our big victory thatteer to take back the house for the democrats, for the
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american people, for the children, and he was part of our victory to pass the affordable care act. >> sufficient a big part of your legacy and certainly his. we knew the republicans would go after him because that's what they do. they've been going after him and calling him dangerously liberal, san francisco liberal. nothing wrong with that, but i don't think he is one. they've been calling him tampon tim because of a state requirement requiring schools to have menstrual products, by the way, which i think is a big thing. his military record, he served for 24 years in the national guard. he was the highest enlisted member of congress. had been the highest ranking listed and did an enormous amount on the veterans affairs committee. what do you say to these efforts to attack his military record? >> first of all, it's a sign of the bankruptcy of their ideas, so they make up things. first of all, he was in the
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national guard 20 years. he thought he would stay 20 years. then 911 happened, so he signed up for four more years. he retired from that to run for congress months before his unit was assigned to being deployed. so it was after he left. so they're just trying to confuse things. but he came to congress and was respected by our colleagues, elected to be the top democrat on the veterans affairs committee where he -- working with chad edwards on the appropriations committee and he on the authorizing committee made historic advances for veterans, meeting their needs, more than had been done since the g.i. bill during world war ii. >> i worked hard on john kerry's campaign and you worked hard on the outside, and he was swift voted during that time. i'm just curious. even those these are baloney charges, should they by punching
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back at this? >> they should just dismiss it. if people lie as they are lying and they lie enough times, it's sort of become accepted in their group, and so you have to say, no, that didn't happen. like they're criticizing him about minneapolis, and the president praised him, and we have it on tape. we praised him how it went. so the reality has to be driven home. i'm not one to let their representatives' misrepresentations persist. by the way, he signed up -- he was there for 20 years. then when 9/11 happened, he signed up for two more. then he left and his unit was deployed. he was only gone for 20 years, but 9/11 persisted. so he has been a consistent
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patriotic, courageous american. >> i have seen up close the relationship you have with president biden, and he respects you, he loves you. that's what i saw when i was working for him. and you've known each other for so long. and david remnick asked you if you thought your relationship would survive after he dropped out. you say, i hope so, i pray so, i cry so. you say you lose sleep over this. i'm wondering how this has impacted you the past couple of weeks? >> it's been -- again, his legacy as a pre-eminent president, just a -- i mean -- it's hard to -- he's right there among the top few. a very consequential president. i wanted the decision to be a better campaign so we could win. i didn't think we were on the
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path to victory. that was more the thing. he made his decision that that would be accomplished by him stepping aside. >> you said, to your point, i've never been that impressed with his political operation. >> no. >> what was it about his political operation? you have a gut instinct about this. you have a lot of winning cycles. what was it about that, or was it more about him as a candidate? >> oh, yeah, it was about that. i praised him. he was elected president of the united states. that was a very important election for our country, a very important election. so i praise him and them for that. >> the harris -- now harris/walz campaign is only a couple of weeks old. are you impressed with that? >> i think -- >> a lot of the same people. >> and some more. but the operation was there. but the thing is that she is
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personally very faith-filled, and that translates into her civic responsibilities and the rest in a very faith-filled way. that's her -- personally i see that. officially she's strong about the issues. you see one of them, the woman's right to choose, but there are so many others. she's strong in that regard officially. politically, she's very astute, and people don't realize that. she won against an incumbent for district attorney. she e won a very competitive race for attorney general, but she figured it out. she figured out she was behind and that she won and then she won for senate. that was easier. and then as soon as this, shall we say -- i don't want to say opportunity because -- well, this opportunity came along. she just rolled and did it
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gracefully, respectfully in every way, and saw her political astuteness. personally, officially, politically she's ready. >> given your long friendship with president biden and how much you have long loved each other, worked together so many times, i know you haven't talked -- unless you have talked -- since he dropped -- since he tee sided not to run. is there a way back with your friendship? >> let me say in our family, we have three generations of lo fb for joe biden. my husband and i, we have known him for a long time and respect and love him and jill. him and jill are so remarkable and their family. our kids have always loved him. i have pictures with him and our children growing up, and now our grand children growing up. so we have three generations of love for him. you know, i hope that that would sustain as we go forward.
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but the most important thing we have to do is to win the election, to sustain his legacy, and to have the legacy being -- to do even more in the presidency and the vice presidency of kamala harris and tim walz. one day at a time. on the ground, message with boldness and aggressively but nonmenacing. the money in place, no wasted time, no underitized resourcesen, and no regrets the day after the election that we could have done more. okay, folks. stay with us. more of jen's interview with nancy pelosi coming up after a quick break. rview with nancy pelosi coming up after a quick break.
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book, "the art of power," speaker ee mary ta nancy pelosi offers a powerful look back at her time in office. here's more with jen and the speaker ee mary ta. >> before nancy pelosi you were nancy dell san troe. your father had a legacy as mayor of baltimore, congressman. he did a lot of things on low income rental housing. i want to ask you. as you have risen to become one of the most powerful women if not the most powerful in politics, how has he in his career and life and legacy impacted you? >> in terms of my father, he went on to serve inning the kennedy administration and johnson administration. he started out as a poor boy. we started out in baltimore. even when he came to, he never left his roots. his roots are remarkable.
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he was a great orator. he could turn a room around from people booing to people cheering and laughing. he became a real champion for the people of the state of israel, what was palestine then, and then also criticized the roosevelt administration for not doing more to help the jews, jewish people in europe. worshipped at the shrine. was one of the young italians working in congress. >> very gutsy. >> i don't want to leave out my mother. she was the organizer. he was the orator and policy maker and she was all of those things, but the organizer as well. >> i love that. important to include. you also talk about your catholic faith. i wanted to ask you about this because i think you've had some moments, i imagine, that have been difficult as president biden has as it relates to faith because in 2022 the head of the
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air itch deseep in san francisco said you should be prohibited from receiving come municipalion in any san francisco diocese because of your views on abortion rights. there are upcoming politicians have who the same struggles who want to be true to their faith. how do you deal with that? >> in being true to our faith, we want people to be true to their faith. that's the way it is. i came from an italian catholic family who were not exactly where i was on a woman's right to choose even though i was imbued growing up with the fact that we all have a free will and have a responsibility to live up to our responsibilities, and so i felt very comfortable about having a public policy that enabled people to live up to their responsibilities. our archbishop, he's ahead of every parade against women's rights and women's right to choose and lgbtq.
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i don't have very much in common with him when it comes to the cultural issues. i'm very happy when i go to church in washington, d.c., the cardinal here had a letter read in every parish in his diocese that communion was not a political weapon and no one would be turned away from theal tar because of that. >> you also speak glowingly -- i love this part of the book -- about the bush family, especially george h.w. bush. your families go way back. you even had nice things to say about his son, george w. bush. you felt strong about the war. tell me about the bush family and how that tells about that period of time in politics? >> when you're new in politics, dwroijt realize how unpowerful you are. i came in '87, and ten man
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square happened in ' 78 /* /* 89. i had a disagreement with president george herbert walker bush. it was a difference of opinion, not animosity. it was policy. it wasn't personal. we were friends. he was such a lovely man. as i said, when president george w. bush was being sworn in, as is the custom, go to the capitol as a leader to escort him to the -- go to the white house to escort him to the capitol, and he said, my father and mother will be there. i said, i can't wait to see him. he's a sweetheart. he says, why does everybody say that about him and not me? >> there was a congressional christmas event at the white house, and president, senior bush, comes over to me, asks
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about the family and the rest, he said, madam speaker, give my kid a break. >> that's a great story. every parent can relate to that. >> as a parent, i can relate to that myself, as a matter of fact. >> absolutely. you write a lot in the book, the only woman in the room, sometimes the first woman who's been in the room. there's been a lot of progress made. in terms of women, a much more diverse caucus, but what do you tell people about what progress still needs to be made? >> well, i'm encouraged by the progress made. when i came to congress, there were 23 women in the house out of 435 people. 11 republicans, 12 democrats. we have 94 now. we made a decision that we would recruit, that we would fund, that we would encourage women, and some self-recruited. had the confidence to do that with the belief that nothing is more wholesome to a political
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and governmental process than the increased participation of women, and, in fact, diversity at large. so our caucus is now 70% women, people of color, lgbtq, and that -- it isn't that women are better than men. it's just you have to have the mix at the table or otherwise you're missing something very important. so, of course, we would like to see a woman president of the united states, and that seems to be -- no, i think, is in our grasp. i do think it is what we will celebrate in november. e in nove. coming up, jd vance is trying and failing to land a blow against tim walz. i've got some thoughts about that when we come back. i've got some thoughts about that when we come back
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>> media tools can't stop drooling over the american backstop. >> he never invested in america. >> her's tim walz on stage waving in a very unsettling manner. men should not move this way. it's not the way we move. >> if you've ever wondering what flailing looks like, well, there you are. i'll be the first to admit, it is extremely hard to attack a guy whose resume includes high school teacher, assistant football coach, and 24-year veteran of the national guard. but that hasn't stopped republicans and vice presidential nominee vance. >> what bothers me is the stolen garbage. if he wants to stop me from getting an ivy league education, i'm proud of my mama who supported me. i would be ashamed if i lied
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about my mill tissue service like he did. >> okay. let's get into the facts, shall we? governor walz served for 25 years. he retired. three months laters he unit was issued the mobilization order for the iraq war, and while we're talking about service, let's take a look at the top of senator vance's ticket, shall we? okay, buckle up. donald trump's bone spur diagnosis led him to avoid being drafted into the vietnam war. he said dating and avoiding stds was his own personal vietnam. he notoriously said he liked people who weren't captured, and according to his own former chief of staff, he called fallen american soldiers suckers and losers. so to senator vance, i know the campaign is flailing and it's probably a little bit painful for you right now, but is
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when it comes to jd vance's attack on tim walz's service, i think congressman jason crowe put it best. quote, we're starting to see a pattern here. turning on your own fellow veteran for political gain is kind of like turning on your beliefs to a disaster. joining me now, congressman jason crowe who served three tours. welcome. it's a real pleasure. you called jd vance's attacks on tim walz -- i want to go right
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to this point -- a flatout disgrace. can you tell us why it hit you the way it did? >> well, michael, military service is hard, so when you're in the military unit, particularly when you're deployed, you learn to rely on your brothers and sisters, your comrades. they're like family to you. so there are very few things that are more sad to me than to see a fellow veteran unfairly attacking another veteran out of greed, out of ambition, and that's what jd vance is doing, right? there are people in this world who make sure that their positions match their principles. unfortunately jd vance appears to always be changing his principles to match his positions and to apiece his boss, donald trump. it's unfair and, frankly, sad to see a veteran do that to another veteran. >> it's really interesting. i take to hearst your phrasing
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there, attacking a fellow veteran. it brought me back to the swift voting of john kerry back in the day many, many campaigns ago. a lot of this is reminiscent of that when you look at how the trump/campaign has done that. do you see that trying to connect a dot in the way it just won't work this time not just because the political environmental is different, but to the heart of what you just said, it really is appalling to a lot of veterans to see a fellow veteran go after one of their own? >> well, it's pretty clear, michael, what's happening here. it wreaks of desperation and fear, right? they have in tim walz a 24-year veteran of the national guard who served honorably, who rose
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to one of the highest ranks you can as an enlisted soldier. he started as a private. i actually started mymy terica rear as a private, which is a lower rank. i finished my time as a captain. tim walz continued to be an enlisted man. what's exciting about this, he's actually the highest ranking enlisted person to ever be on a presidential ticket, which is an incredible story for working-class america. so you have a person who has served as a football coach, a teacher, pragmatic governor, a longtime military enlisted leader who's now running on a presidential ticket, and they don't know what to do, so they're making up lies and fabricating things, and it's really -- again, it's sad and a shame they're having to do that. >> okay. so moving from the dark into the joy. let's look at the joy of this campaign so far. you're seeing the surge of enthusiasm among democrats and,
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quite honestly, independent voters as well as republicans have grown. certainly from the republicans i hear, he grinds down with them a little bit. they like that feel from him. what is it about this new ticket and this enthusiasm that you think gives such a different flavor to this campaign from what we saw before? >> well, michael, first of all, we have to take a moment and recognize why we're in this position right now. we're here because of the selfless act of service and love for country of president oe biden who did something you never see someone do. he put aside his own ambition to help his country first. he's decided to help usher in the next generation as leader
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for the country. it's a selfless act in his own right, but it's ushering in a next generation. a ticket that represents america. people from across the country from the upper midwest to the coast to the south see themselves in this ticket. they see the journey, they see the story of tim walz and vice president harris, and they see themselves and they know that they have champions for working-class america. i grew up in a working-class household. i worked construction to put my wife through college. i then went in the army. i fought for this country, and i see so much of that story actually in this ticket. and americans from different backgrounds see it, too, and that's why people are excited. >> all right. congressman jason crowe, it was a real pleasure having you on. we'll be right back, so don't go anywhere. stay right there. stay there. t go anywhere stay right there stay there
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well, that does it for me today. don't worry. jen will be back with you tomorrow night at 8:00 p.m. eastern. and remember you can catch me every saturday and sunday with my friends on the weekend, 8:00 a.m. eastern. but for now, stay right where you are because there's so much more news coming up on msnbc. trump's not fighting for your family. he doesn't give a damn. and his running mate shares the same dangerous

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