vice president harris just needs to continue to demonstrate her command to the american people donald trump may be incapable of the reset it takes to make this a competitive race against vice president harris we'll see. >> tyler paige, former senator, doug jones, david jolly, thanks to all of you. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." make sure to follow the show on mitchellreports. go to msnbc.com/andrea chris jansing reports starts right now. good day i'm chris jansing, live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. curtains up on her second act. after a dynamic and lucrative campaign rollout, kamala harris is now facing the part of running that's tougher to get folks cheering about policy details can lightning strike twice as she takes on the issue that looked like it might doom

democrats? the economy. plus, israelis now being told to stockpile food and water and get their safe rooms in order, prompted by fears that iran and hezbollah could launch a massive attack on that country as early as tonight. the latest diplomatic push to keep things from getting worse and the hack attack on the trump campaign now ragising alarms on capitol hill the concerns that foreign actors will add more chaos to a race for president that has already had more than its fair share but what's the impact and can they be stopped? but we start with the next phase of the campaign, now underway, following a harris/walz battleground blitz to introduce their ticket to the country. and even by donald trump's favorite standard, numbers, kamala harris is heading into next week's convention on a roll crowds so large and loud, crump seems rattling, falsely claiming that live videos, photos, and

first-person accounts aren't actually real. harris also continues to be on a fund-raising tear, taking in more than $12 million in silicon valley, after strongly outraising trump in july all of it on the heels of the friday poll that has harris up by four points in each of three battleground states, although her leads are within the margin of error the next few weeks before the traditional start of the presidential campaign, labor day, will tell us whether harris' fast start is more about an unpopular incumbent stepping down, or real, long-lasting enthusiasm and support for the woman who replaced him i want to bring in nbc's monica alba, following all of this from washington julien castro served as hud secretary under president obama and is an msnbc political analyst. stewart stevens is senior adviser for the lincoln project and mitd romney chief strategist

during his 2012 campaign so is the harris campaign plan anything different now, or is it, if it ain't broke, don't fix it >> chris, they're definitely going to try to ride some of that momentum that you just mentioned, but this week, we are going to something new from kamala harris. and that is some of her policy proposals, in places where she may differentiate a little bit from president biden of course, she's going to be appearing with him at an official event in maryland later in the week, where the two are certain to tout what they view as their major accomplishments in the biden/harris administration, and where they'll be talking about lowering cost for americans. but you can certainly expect that in the next couple of days, according to the vice president, she's going to roll out the things that she would do if she wins the white house in november and she's going to be walking this fine line, where she's going to say that president biden was able to achieve some of these things, perhaps, but she's going to say, when it comes to the care economy, for instance, that she would rike to

go further she's going to raise things like paid family leave. she's going to be talking specifically about pushing that agenda forward and a couple of other items on the economic proposal front, as well. and that's critical, heading into the democratic national convention, according to the people that i've been speaking to, who are close to the campaign pause they want to start to lay out some of those ideas, and of course, on this crunch timeline, that's been a little more challenging. and so that's why they're going to be a little bit less campaign mode, from both the vice president and governor walz this week they're going to be focusing more on some of that policy perspective, chris but you're also going to be seeing the minnesota governor really doing some fund-raising so he's the one now who's going to take up the mantle for that, at least in the short-term, raking in those millions and millions of dollars, according to the operation that they're going to continue to add to, as they also have the task of writing their convention speeches and getting all of that squared away in short order, given that that is now drawing so close

chris? >> yeah, just listening to her, hu julien, you kind of get the reminder that this is a very compressed time period so she's done an awful lot in three weeks. she has a lot to do in the next week or so but let me ask you this big picture. do you think this enthusiasm around harris' campaign has more to do with her, with any other democrat following biden have gotten the same treatment? or is this the actual opportunity for her to say, here's the reason you're excited about me, here's what i want to do as president. >> well, kristen, i think it's all of that. i think she's a trailblazer, she has a unique ability, i think, to excite the democratic base and cross over and get a lot of those independents and even former republicans who just can't stand donald trump anymore. so she's historic as a candidate. it's also true that these were very odd circumstances and i think there's an excitement that goes with this

fear among democrats that we were probably heading for a loss in november, to suddenly realizing, hey, we can actually win this thing, and we have a great candidate on our hands who is marshaling resources, who is exciting voters across the board, who is now leading in the polling in these swing states. so it's gone from, i think, a lot of anxiety to a lot of hope and enthusiasm and that's what you're seeing out there in the number of people, these 10, 15, 20,000-people crowds that are following her. i think it comes at a great moment as we go into the democratic convention. it probably helps her that this is a three-month sprint. this is not a year, year and a half-long campaign i think that's going to end up benefiting kamala harris this november >> so, stewart, what can she do in this week in between? we know she's set to unveil her economic policy. she said over the weekend, it's going to bring down costs and strengthen the economy, as well. but the devil's in the details, right? how do you make this stuff interesting, exciting, and i

think, more than anything, convincing >> well, look, i think that when you look at these ideas, i assume she's going to have an extension of the 100-day plan that the president laid out. these are all very popular ideas. and the contrast with project 2025 is just extreme the reason donald trump wants to say, you know, that he's never heard of project 2025 is because this is a bunch of nutty stuff that nobody has really -- very few people want to happen, very few people want to politicize the military very few people want to do away with the civil service plus, versus these plans that they're talking about. and you know, the biden campaign in '20, and i think, now, they have been very good at talking about how this affects people's lives. and i think that's what they're going to focus on. and this is big stuff, you know? they got the infrastructure act

passed largest public works project in history. so trump could undo that curtail all the money that's coming they've got insulin projects now, i think $33 a dose. trump could come in and undo that so i think a lot of what i would suggest that they be doing is, you like this, it's improving your life, it could be taken away this is going to be the next stage of it, if we pass. if we get elected. >> and you know, julien, if you talk about the devil being in the details, in your experience, and you certainly had it out on the campaign trail, how much detail do people really want and i guess, how do you sell something that may, frankly happen or not happen >> that's a great question one of the things they recognized going to those town halls in iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, in the 2020 campaign, was that people's ears really perked up when you

started talking about solutions. even if they didn't agree with you all the time, they wanted to hear solutions and so, i do think it's going to pay off for kamala harris to put out there her economic plan, her other plans, and she has an advantage, as stewart said, on these issues people are concerned about access to abortion care. they're concerned about their kitchen table issues and democrats have a good story tell on all of that. i think she's going to have a compelling opportunity here, at the convention, especially, where she's going to have tens of millions of people watching to lay out those plans, to do it in a compelling way, and i think get a significant boost going into the last two and a half months of the campaign >> which brings me, stewart, to tone harris has been portraying herself as this joyful warrior trump often seems the opposite this is how the ap puts it

the trump campaign argues that their candidate is reflecting the dour mood of the country trump's senior campaign adviser sees their candidate as reflecting that reality, rather than what they believe is a temporary exuberance ignites the democratic base after months of discouragement over their ticket could they be right? >> no, i think that's absolutely insane so how did ronald reagan run against jimmy carter so there was a malaise so the country was in a bad mood so we did have the hostages. he didn't run. you're in a bad money, so i'll be in a bad mood he was optimistic he was positive, we can get out of this that's how you lead. the most optimistic candidate usually wins in politics and almost always wins in presidential races people are drawn to that it's something that's uplifting. you want to feel better about yourself, about the country, about the future when you engage in politics and lifting up

and what has been so remarkable about the trump era, and this is the third time that donald trump will have been on the ballot, think about that is that he demands from you that you feel that america is a failed country, a third world country, uncivilized and that's just something that most americans don't feel nor do they want to feel. that's the kind of stuff that you say in a bar where i grew up in mississippi, somebody asks you to step outside. so it's an anti-patriotic campaign that trump is winning and i think that they're having real problems with that, because they can't change, because this is how trump sees the world. >> you know, julien, trump has been complaining about the state of the race, but he doesn't seem to be changing anything. this week, he has just two rallies, one in north carolina, one that they just announced in pennsylvania after getting a lot of criticism about it. j.d. vance is delivering remarks in michigan on tuesday that's it. is this kind of schedule going to cut it for the campaign

>> i don't think so, chris this is probably the most lackadaisical, lazy schedule that we've seen from the presidential campaign at this point in a cycle and at least in modern history on the other hand, you have both kamala harris and tim walz out there barnstorming these battleground states, energy ideides i izing the base and crossing over and getting those independents and light republicans. so that adds up. when you get to november, it makes a difference whether you have people out there talking, doing the word of mouth, getting their neighbors, their coworkers, their family members to go vote it helps when you're doing these rallies. there are a lot of other ways to reach people, for sure digital, mail, tv, radio, and so forth. but getting out there still matters. and i think little by little, that's going to add up >> monica alba and stewart stevens, thank you, both and julian castro, you're going to stay with me. in 90s seconds, the u.s. trying to tone down tensions in the middle east. what the israeli government is

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and its proxies on israel does appear imminent. retaliation for the deaths of senior hamas and hezbollah leaders adding to an increasingly volatile situation. nbc's ellison bashber is reporting from tel aviv. also with us, jamiel jafer, and former counsel to both the house intelligence and senate foreign relations committees thank you both for being here. ellison, we understand the israeli government is now telling people to stock up on food and water to prepare safe rooms at home. what's going on where you are? >> yeah, chris, you know, israeli officials never really doubted that iran would, at some point, do what they said from the minute the supreme leader of iran said that we believe sincishmash was killed in our history, the second that he said we have no other choice but to take revenge for his death, israeli officials had been saying consistently that they expected iran to follow through on that and to carry out

what they were describing as likely a multi-day attack that also involved iran's proxies it flux waited at different points on exactly when it could be, how big it could be, and whether or not hezbollah and lebanon would do something on their own or start it off, and then iran would follow but israel has consistently has said that they believe that iran will do something and that they think it will be bigger than the strikes they saw iran carry out against israel back in april but, towards kind of the middle and the end of last week, we had heard that iran sort of soften some of their rhetoric, at least publicly that wasn't the case with hezbollah in lebanon, but iran did sort of kind of seem like they weren't as aggressively saying a strike is coming soon everything changed, though, when that school inside of gaza, in the area of gaza city, was struck by three different rockets. there are differing accounts of why that school was hit. hamas and gazaen health officials say this was a school

that had been turned into a refugee area, and over 4,000 people were displaced and seeking shelter there. and that those strikes occurred during morning prayers israel claims that this was an area, a school impound that was being used by hamas as a command center and that ultimately, they claim that they killed about 20 hamas and palestinian islamic jihad terrorists who they say were inside hamas denies that, so does islamic jihad and about 100 people according to gazan's civil defense were killed in this strike, but it was at that moment that we heard israel go back in. a senior political adviser released a statement saying, they viewed that strike as evidence that israel was trying to ignite a larger regional war and they said they had already taken the necessary steps required to extract what they described as the harshest punishment on israel we know today, iran's president spoke with the secretary of

state from the vatican and told him, in that call, according to reporting in iranian state media that iran does not want to go into a war, but that ultimately, they believe, given the assassination that they say israel was behind, and also the killings, they say, of women and children inside of gaza, that their only choice is to respond that moving forward. we have spent time in the last week meeting with volunteer emss, emts in israel and they tell us the thing they're most worried about right now is a large-scale strike from iran could target electrical infrastructure and send this country into darkness. they say they've staged pop-up areas in the event of a mass casualty event, but they really concerned that the first thing that could go out, and that it could be days, would be communications within the country. chris? >> ellison barber, thank you for that so jamiel, what do you think israel should be getting ready for? >> well, look, i think we have to expect, as ellison says, a

significant attack, either one from hezbollah in the knorth, i response to killing one of oir top military commanders, or an iranian response in the form of drone strikes, missile strikes and the like coming over from the mainland of iran sa the question is how many israelis will lose their lives if hezbollah comes across with those 150 rockets that they believe they have stored there just north of the lebanon/israel border that, i think, is the biggest question we know that israel is at all-time lows when it comes to its air defense capabilities, in terms of david slaying iron dome and the like as well as those roc rockets. >> in addition to resupplying, as you know, jamiel, the pentagon confirmed it's sending a guided missile submarine and another aircraft carrier strike group to the region. does that change the calculation at all on either side? >> you know, chris, the

question, i think, is what the iranians read the purple of those vessels as being in the past, the have used those vehicles it was a very effective effort that the israelis, they combined with against the last strikes. so the question now is, are they there for something more than that i think it's highly unlikely the u.s. is looking into get into any kind of a shooting war with iran i think there is a small possibility that happens more than likely, we'll see a response by iran, a response by israel, and then an effort to bring things to a more calm situation. whether or not that can be done or not is the hard question. >> so you think there could still be something that happens diplomatically, especially in the near-term, that those cease-fire talks are set to resume thursday, but hamas isn't going? >> without hamas, it's hard to imagine how those things move forward. at the end of the day, iran is the effort behind hezbollah.

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that the department of justice owes him $115 million in damages for the search of mar-a-lago and jack smith's now dismissed classified documents case. a new court filing from trump's team accuses attorney general merrick garland and chris wray of engaging in political prosecution, suggesting a lawsuit is coming. nbc legal correspondent lisa rubin is here to break it all down so, what happens now, lisa and realistically, is this going to move forward? >> well, chris, the first thing that has to happen is that the department of justice has been notified of trump's intent to sue. they have some time now to assess whether or not they want to engage in a settlement of negotiation process with the

former president but based on their posture so far in these cases, including the fact that they have appeal the dismissal of the mar-a-lago case, i think we can expect that they are not going to engage in that and that means that trump is going to be waiting. under the statute, he has to wait for a final response from the affected agency before he files a lawsuit, but if at the six-month mark, he hasn't received that, he can go ahead and file suit. that likely means that donald trump will be waiting until well after the november election to see whether or not the department of justice wants to settle this with him or pay him any money that he claims he's owed >> lisa rubin, thank you for that meantime, the bipartisan task force that's investigating former president trump's assassination attempt is now making its first move, sending letters to doj and homeland security, asking for all the information and records they have about the july 13th attempt. that's according to punch bowl news, which broke this story and punch bowl's co-founder,

jake sherman, joins me now he's also an msnbc political contributor. jake, what more can you tell us about this task force and what it wants to see? >> the important thing to know is this is now center stage in the investigation, the congressional investigation into just how a gunman was allowed within shooting daistance, literally, of former president donald trump and the lapse in policing that led to this. this committee is republican controlled, but up until now, and including now, is bipartisan republicans can issue subpoenas on their own, although the committee right now says it's going to work in a bipartisan fashion to uncover the truth now, it is the early stages, chris. and these investigations, as you and i have talked about many times over the last many years, could go in many different directions and could oftentimes be beset by partisan incivil

righting and things of that nature but they are looking for a briefing by mid-august from all the key players involved as to what they should expect in this investigation. they are trying to get all the documents that have already been handed over to other committees into their possession. those are the main things that they are doing the real interesting thing to me is how republicans on this committee play this. because do they keep the trump campaign in the loop as to what they're finding? and that's a big question that could quite honestly hamper the investigation. >> yeah, i mean, and obviously, he has a more vested interest than any other politician in finding out what happened, and he's still running for president, but kamala harris does, as well. other high-profile politicians, anybody who is covered by the secret service are you getting a sense of urgency, like, they think there's something they need to find out and get fixed right away or the fact that the head of the secret service stepped down,

what, a day after what many people consider to be a disastrous appearance in front of congress. now that she's gone, things have settled down a bit >> a few things to unpack there. yes, there's a huge urgency here the urgency is this congress ends in just about four months it's august, and the congress ends in january. they have four months to get this investigation done, and suggest some findings. that's number one. number two, the secret service has gotten as many other departments has been cut in recent years the secret service has seen a funding increase, very rare in these days of -- you know, in this era, somewhat of fiscal austerity, let's say so i think -- and just real befuddlement as to what went on that allowed this to happen. and the urgency again is the calendar congress is not in for another

month. and you have september, october, november, and december to get this investigation done. >> several other committees had already started investigations do those go away, do they work in concert what happens >> those will go away. and this will all be centralized with this one committee, this task force that was created by mike johnson and hakim jeffreys. and listen, the senate can do its own investigations, should they choose. but i don't anticipate that will happen i think that the house will be center stage here, and everything, at least on the house side, will go through the house. and the senate has not shown, i guess, the same urgency. >> more great reporting by punch bowl and in just a few hours, jury selection will begin at the murder trial of former las vegas politician, robert telis, accused of killing investigative reporter jeff german german was found stabbed to death outside of his home during labor day weekend 2022 according to the committee to protect journalists, german was the only journalist in the u.s.

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right now, brand-new warnings about foreign interference in the november presidential election after donald trump's campaign says it was hacked by an iranian group the hack was first reported by politico, writing that they got emails starting in july from an anonymous account sharing internal documents from the trump campaign nbc news has not independently verified that the hack took place, or where it originated, but already, two house members are asking for briefings, as experts warn of more hacks to come i want to bring in senior adviser for homeland security and director of the defending democratic institutions project at the center for strategic and international studies, susan spalding nbc's dasha burns covers the trump campaign she is here with me. so dacsha, what exactly do we know right now and what is the trump campaign saying it's doing about it >> still a lot of questions, and

nbc news hasn't independently verified this. we haven't gotten a whole lot from law enforcement in the united states and we know that in this trove of documents that politico received, it essentially looks to be vetting material of j.d. vance, some of the research that the trump campaign themselves were doing on their new running mate, and looking at his vulnerabilities, mostly things that were already in the public sphere but the trump campaign are commenting and their spokesman telling us that these were received from foreign services hostile to the united states, intending to interfere with the 2024 election and sew chaos through our democratic process and pointed reporters to a microsoft report released on friday saying a phishing email was sent to an high-ranking official now the trump campaign coming out and saying that it was their campaign that was hacked

>> all right, dasha, thank you for that suzanne, chris krebs, the former director of cybersecurity and infrastructure security agency said that whoever is behind this hack is, quote, running the 2016 playbook and chaos is the point. do you agree and is this just the beginning? how concerned should we be >> hi, chris, yes, i do agree. i was chris krebs' predecessor, running that organization in 2016 and this does, indeed, of course, have many of the hallmarks of that hack and leak operation. i do think it's important that as you all have noted, that we need to be careful, because we don't know all of the facts here we have a lot of pieces that seem to fit together, but we don't have formal confirmation yet that this documents that were being offered to politico and "the washington post" and other outlets were the result of

a hack, and that the hack was, in fact, by iran but we do know from reports from microsoft and from the intelligence community that iran and other hostile nations, including particularly russia are actively engaged in trying to interfere in our domestic political discourse, to may want americans, and to interfere in our election and we have to take it very seriously. >> yeah, we know it happened the last two presidential elections. and now "the new york times" is reporting this let me read from their reporting. while american intelligence officials say they have little doubt that russia wants to see mr. trump returned to office, chinese hackers, they say, seem uncertain how to play the election they have reason to dislike both mr. trump and vice president kamala harris. what do you make of that >> well, i think it's important for us to remember that this doesn't just have to be about hostile nations choosing a candidate and then doing what

they can to favor that candidate or go against the other candidate. all three of these nations that we worry most about, russia, china, and iran, have as a shared goal to exacerbate the divisions in our country, all three of them, including china, are engaged in flinfluence operations and propaganda efforts around divisive issues in our country, to polarize us even further and in some cases, to incite violence the intelligence community has indicated that iran has a goal of inciting violence russia has taupping into the protest potential of population. that's a key goal. their second goal related to that is just to show chaos in our country. and undermining the public's trust in the integrity of the election is certainly a very powerful way to do that. so we need to understand that these efforts are broader than

just choosing a candidate and not let these countries get away with this. >> as i said, suzanne, this is at least the third presidential election, right, where we have had these kinds of issues rise up are we getting any better at it as a country are campaigns getting any better at it? what we should be on the look out for? >> i think we are, chris i think we are learning important lessons. for example, that you were in 2016, i certainly do, the breathless way, frankly, that the media just went ahead and reported on all of the distance of the material that was gathered in russian hack of the dnc, and of campaign officials and i think we're seeing more caution this time by the media, in terms of trying to gauge what is newsworthy, what is in the public interest, and how to not feed and encourage this kind of outrageous behavior by hostile

nations, for example also, i think we have gotten more sophisticated at that, both our private sector we see this in a private report. the private sector has gotten much better and attention is being focused on this and our government has also gotten much better at detecting these things certainly, cyber cocom at nsa we have seen where they have done a good job. we have gotten better, but this will continue to be a threat and we have to keep our guard up >> suzanne spalding, thank you and coming up, brand-new data shows sudden changes in violent crime in major u.s. cities the appearance we're now seeing and what it might mean for the 2024 race. also ahead, families of victims of the deadliest airline crash brazil has seen in 17 years gathering in sao paolo, as more experts join the

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says it puts a major dent in one of donald trump's central talking points and opens up a window of opportunity for kamala harris back with me, msnbc political analyst and former hud secretary, julian castro so crime something you know from both a micro and macro level i think you were on the city council before you became mayor of san antonio of course, you ran for president, you were hud secretary. so what does kamala harris do with this? because we know how effective the issue of crime has been for the trump campaign >> well, absolutely, chris this is an issue that republicans tend to run on, as many times as they can we all remember the famous -- infamous willie horton add, that george h.w. bush ran against michael dukakis. they argued that democrats were soft on crime. and that's the fiction that trump is telling in this cycle, whether it's on border or it's with violent crime happening in the country and heare's the

thing. every night, people watch on the evening news, crime reporting after crime reporting. that old adage if it bleeds, it leads, generally is true on local tv news. so it's particularly important for the harris campaign to be able to tell the story effectively. and she's tailor made for this she was a prosecutor, she's worked with law enforcement and worked with communities out t there to make sure policing is done right she has a strong case to make here i think she's making it. i would not be surprised if she goes on the offense on this issue, like they did with the border a few days ago, to try to dispel the fiction and the overblown narrative that donald trump and his campaign are giving and i think actually listen to the facts that violent crime is down, 6% across the board. in some communities it's down as much as 25%. but, hey, we know from 2016, we know from the way that donald trump operates that you can't count on facts winning out

because he's going to keep telling fiction over and over and over again kamala harris is going to need to be just as energetic about laying those facts out, and laying out how she would work with local communities to keep making sure that violent crime goes down and people are safe. >> that's the conundrum, even before the new study came out that "axios" reported on, i'm going to go to an analysis of a number of studies from the brennan center, and here's what they said. numerous studies show that immigration is not linked to higher levels of crime but rather the opposite. this is showing reuters, but i'm reading from, in fact, the brennan center my question to you is why is that not getting through >> because i think that people are often predisposed to believe that crime is going up and i think ta lot of it does have to do with the local news media environment. you turn on the tv, and there's

constant reporting about every shooting, every act of violent crime out there. that literally is what leads the 5, 6:00 and 10:00 news overnight. >> you know that's not going to change, so that's a problem, right? >> this is why republicans, especially, try and use this issue against democrats. but here's the thing, the facts are that violent crime has gone down, and that this administration has worked with local communities to assure that people are safe. so the facts are on her side, and now it's about making sure that the message is there that is clearly and consistently put out there. i think you see them already doing that and, i believe that enough people are going to be able to see through the smoke screen that donald trump is trying to create between now and november. >> julien castro, good to have you on the show. thank you, i appreciate it. there's new cnbc polling that reveals what donald trump and kamala harris have to do to win over the american

electorate, likely critical to clinching the presidency they're dubbed swing voters, defined as independents, undecideds or simply people who want a president from one party and a congressional control for the other. cnbc's steve liesman is here with more on that. your data shows kind of an up hill battle for both candidates here, but on very different fronts. give us the details. >> yeah, that's a really good way to put it, chris so one of the striking features of this group, which represents about 20% of all voters in our sample is how much they dislike president trump or former president trump. while harris is minus 9 with swing voters and minus 8 with all voters trump is minus 39 with this group, but minus 8 overall he has a long way to go in terms of his favorability rating that seems to be a big issue on the other hand, trump seems to have a lead when it comes to the economy on this issue.

whether you ask people who would be better off under financially, trump wins 28 to 8 on that score. notice the large percentage who thinks it doesn't matter both need to tell more of a compelling story when it comes to the economy trump needs to improve his favorability rating, and kamala harris needs to lay out a compelling economic story to grain this group of swing voters one other point i think is really critical, 30% of latinos fall into this group while harris has a lead among latino voters, it would appear as if there's ground to be gained in the latino community by either candidate addressing them and their specific issues more precisely. >> and you can bet that they have the research that they need to work on that. that 60% number is a stunning one. steve liesman, thank you so

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it is good to be back with you on this second hour of "chris jansing reports." at this hour, bracing for retaliation. the idf announcing in just the last 20 minutes that the israeli military is at its highest alert for a possible direct attack from iran. as the u.s. rushes in new fire power, including a missile-guided submarine we'll get a live report from the region. taking no vote for granted, with the presidential race