good to be with you. i'm katy tur how can you ride the crest of a wave how long can you ride it vp kamala harris is now going into her fourth week atop the democratic ticket, and news keeps getting better for her a blue ribbon poll, the new york sienna times poll shows she's changed the presidential race, leading donald trump by four points, within the margin of error, of course, in pennsylvania, michigan and wisconsin, among likely voters, and that is not the only good set of numbers that she's looking at we've also got brand new polling on the always vaunted youth vote, and what harris's nomination has done to the enthusiasm among 18 to 29-year-olds young people hint, there's a big up swing all in all, it's the kind of energy that the party believes can boost much more than just the top of the ticket.

>> i think every candidate and campaign has gotten a great lift kamala harris has carried this campaign in three weeks to a place it wasn't before, and tim walz, i think, has just added to that. >> that from senator bob casey of pennsylvania who was running in a tough fight, the republican who lost after dr. oz, you remember in 2022, during the primary, for another man, another democrat, to ultimately be beat him for the senate seat in pennsylvania, john fetterman there was hope among democrats that harris's giant bump and giant crowds can drown out donald trump, which so far they have, prompting trump to make increasingly volatile attempts to grab attention back like accusing her of ai to create the big crowds, which by the way, news cameras saw too, so not ai, or questioning her black identity in front of a crowd of black journalists. "the new york times" reports quote people around the former

and would be president see a candidate knocked off his bearings, disoriented by his contest with kamala harris, and unsure of how to take her on let's get into it. joining us now, nbc news white house correspondent, monica alba political editor, mark murray, and harvard kennedy school institute of politics director of polling, jonathan volt. this has been a three week stretch for harris that's been good news headline after good news headline. what can you tell us from the perspective of the campaign? >> it's been a momentum wave to use your language there, katy, that they want to keep riding, and they hope will continue this week into the democratic national convention, where they know all of the eyeballs will be upon them, and where they are hoping to have this big major moment that is celebratory in nature and where they hope a lot of this can kind of come together, and vice president harris can formally accept that nomination, and then hit that real typical sprint that you

would see and then september and october, into november but because we basically got a preview and mini version of what that looks like over the last three weeks, there are a couple of things they are very much focused on and obviously in the initial days, it was picking a running mate for the vice president, which they feel they did quite well, and they have been very happy in the results of what they saw, they say, over the last couple of days. in that battleground state tour. and you're showing on the screen there part of what they're so happy about, and it's the optics it's being able to say that there hasn't been this kind of enthusiasm among democrats in some time. and those crowds, which you know very well are something that appear to have gotten under donald trump's skin in some capacity that is also for them, a major victory in this couple of weeks that they weren't necessarily anticipating i'm told by the campaign, when they're now talking about future events in future swing states that the appeal and the real desire and what people want to

see is so high that they don't even know how to find venues that will potentially accommodate all of that. so that is a good problem to have, but this week, they get to the thornier part of it, and that's the actual policy rollout. they now have to focus on what vice president harris could run on that would be different from president biden, what he was doing as a candidate, while also walking this fine line of trying to say that the biden harris administration has had accomplishments, but here's what we could do, they're going to argue, and you'll see that on display when they're together, the president and vice president, thursday in maryland, if she's the one to win the white house in november. she has to start spelling out her vision for how she sees that, again, on a compressed time line. >> the crowd size and the search for new and bigger arenas, reminds me of 2016 their advance man was constantly on the move doing that, so i understand what the harris campaign is going through. i'm sure the democrats are

thrilled to be in the position to have to find a bigger capacity stadium mark, the enthusiasm we're seeing on the ground is translating into the numbers we have been waiting for better quality polling to come out. a little bit of time to have passed after the transition from biden to harris. what can you tell us about this new "new york times" sienna poll what do you see in it? >> it's further confirmation, we have a reset contest, katy now have harris ahead by four points in all three key battleground states, importantly within the margin of error that's actually a change from what we have seen the in "new york times" sienna surveys from back in the spring, as well as in pennsylvania, right after that debatein july katy, what stands out to me is just the popularity boost for harris, now becoming the democratic standard bearer in the pennsylvania "new york times" sienna poll from back in july, president biden had a minus 20 net favorability rating

according to that poll compare that now with harris at plus 2 that's a 22-point swing when it comes to favorability. donald trump's favorability numbers haven't changed all that much between july and now, but with the change at the top of the democratic ticket, might be the biggest change in all the polling that we have seen so far with harris now at the top of the ticket. >> nick cohn who does the polling for the times, helps to do it says that what harris is doing right now, mark, is showing that she is the generic candidate, and he meant that in a good way what does it mean for harris to be running like a generic democratic candidate why would that actually be a compliment >> it's a compliment because usually a generic candidate does better than someone whose name has all the baggage and issues and scandals that get litigated. she's floating above a plane, she's not having to deal with the policy rollouts, with the kind of negatives attacks that

you normally end up seeing, and katy, one thing we have seen consistently over the past year is how democratic candidates like bob casey in pennsylvania, like tammy baldwin in wisconsin, elissa slotkin in michigan, we are doing better than president biden, they are the generic candidate, without any kind of baggage, and now all of a sudden, we are seeing vice president kamala harris do that at the top of the democratic ticket, and to me, the biggest question is this all part of the democratic honeymoon that we have seen with the change at the top of the ticket or will this end up lasting over the next three months, and i think the answer to that question could very well end up deciding this presidential contest. >> john, i was looking at your polling on the youth vote. the graphs from the age group to the demographics to college degree, without a college degree, republican, democrat, independent, the groups of

graphs you had separating out each group of potential voters, every single one of them ended up on a high note. everyone, write up, kamala harris started here and ended up up here. tell me about that well, you talked about this campaign reminds you of 2016 this reminds me of 2008 and 2018 in 2008, millennials banded together with the idea of something better in terms of the way in which our politics could be run and envisioned by barack obama. that hopefulness is something that i see in this new wave of polling. but in addition to that hopefulness, i also see the fight, the determination, the grit of gen zers, and the combination of the obama plus the parkland vibe and enthusiasm is what i think is driving the double digit increases over the last three weeks, as you said. there's a plus 16 point increase in her favorability. there's a plus 13 point includes

in her march begin over donald trump and every single subgroup within the electorate indicate they are more enthusiastic about her being on the ticket than they have at any time in recent history. it's something that's quite extraordinary. these are not blips. this is an ascension. >> i should mention, the only subgroup i saw that was flat were republicans but independents, again, everybody went up. the youth vote is something that every campaign says it's going to capture they want it the youth vote can be very difficult to get in a sizable way are you seeing anything different here i mean, you talked about 2018 and 2008, yes. do you think that that momentum stays here, and if it does stay here, is there a driving policy factor behind kamala harris to help those voters not just say they're enthusiastic, but

actually go to the polls in november, john. >> i think three numbers in particular that i'm looking at in this new polling, these attributes significant numbers of young people say she is listening. she cares about them, and that she's fighting for the things that they care about those are the qualities and attributes that young people seek in a modern president, and she's improving every single day on those things. beyond that, younger people will want to see her values, and to ensure that they're aligned where they are, and i believe that they are, and then her vision for the future. so, again, these are the earliest days. she has their attention. many are helping her on social media lift up the excitement that they see across these rallies. again, there's plenty of room to grow she needs to grow, and aligning her values and vision with the values and vision of this generation will be what will, i think so, extend the lead from the mid-50s to the 60s% margin,

which is where she'll need to be. >> she can organically play on social media in a way that joe biden couldn't, and in a way that donald trump is now a step behind on as well, which i think is helping her among the youth vote as well john, mark murray, monica alba, thank you guys as well meanwhile in florida, donald trump says the 2022 search of his property was political persecution, and he's preparing to suit justice department for damages. okay lisa rubin, i say now dismissed, there's an appeal, though, right? is this going to go up to the -- i have been gone for two weeks you have to fill me in what's happening in this case, and does donald trump have a case to say he's owed money for that raid? >> let's start with what's happening with the race. the special counsel, katy is going to submit the initial appeals brief on august 27th that's an appeal of the dismissal of the mar-a-lago case, premised on the ground that jack smith was unconstitutionally appointed

according to the trump folks this suit that trump has notify the department of justice that he would like to bring, i'll pause there, has to do with something entirely different it has to do with the fact that he alleges he was damaged by their unconstitutional search and then the ensuing indictment and expenses he had to occur in defending himself against that case, which as you noted has been dismissed the notice that he served on the department of justice didn't a lawsuit yet, and under federal statute, it can't become a lawsuit until the department of justice tells him they reject the claims or until six months has passed in which case, trump is entitled to say your silence is a denial, and now i'm entitled to sue you. it's not clear to me that this will ever mature into a suit why? because on one hand, former president trump could end up being then current president trump. it's not clear he would sue his own department of justice but

try and work out a settlement. the other thing is there are a lot of problems with the claims he has articulated today, and i want to pause to you allow to ask me what's important before i talk about all the times the filing is riddling with. >> i'm curious, and we don't have a lot of time, is there any indication that jack smith is going to appeal, number one, and any indication he could pass off this case to a u.s. attorney >> i don't think so. i think if jack smith were prepared to pass off his case t a u.s. attorney, you would have seen him not appeal, and rather you would have seen a u.s. attorney refile the case in their own name he's not doing that. as far as we know, jack smith is moving ahead toward filing his initial appellate brief on august 27th. >> and then what's the problem, again, with donald trump trying to sue the doj >> let's start with the fact that the biggest quantity of his damages come from alleged punitive damages

he's saying he suffered $100 million in punitive damages, under the statue that allows people to sue the federal government for damages, there are no punitive damages. that's not a function of case law. the statute itself says that under the federal tort claims act, that's what allows people who have tort gaclaims against government to sue, there are no punitive damages. >> lisa rubin, thank you very much. still ahead, michael steele is going to join us on the state of the race, plus what david french thinks a vote for vice president harris in november could ultimately do to help save conservatism. and what we know about the reported hack on donald trump's presidential campaign. what the department of justice has done now to interfevene we're back in 90 seconds they n. got it? [squawks] did you get that? only pay for what you need. ♪liberty, liberty,♪ ♪liberty, liberty.♪

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i believe that kamala harris is whatever she says she is, but i believe importantly that president trump is right that she is a camhameleon. >> j.d. vance doubling down on the former president's attack on kamala harris's racial identity. joining us now, former rnc chairman and host of the weekend, i hate to say doubling down because we're always doubling down on something in politics all right. so this idea that she's not who she says she is or she's trying

to play the race card. it's been widely seen as race baiting from donald trump. they are just diving back into it they are, as i'm going to say again, doubling down >> they are. they're tripling down. she's a black woman. she's also an asian woman. she's got that, you know, hey, you know, j.d., and trump. people can be more than one thing. you know, i mean, you're maybe part irish, and part german. >> excuse me, no, i am creek you can see it in my chin. thank you very much. >> exactly kate that's the point here's the underlying narrative. this is not playing to the vast majority of americans. this is playing to a very isolated faction of the country that that's important to they're not enthralled by a black woman running for the office, so we want to, you know, make it a pejorative

we want to talk about it in a negative way we don't want to level it up as, you know, something that is, you know, small p progressive for the country to have an african-american woman who is the current vice president running for president. that's a different story line. so, look, we know what's going on here. we all get it. donald trump and j.d. vance are going to play in that cesspool of stupid, thinking that they're swaying people more broadly. this campaign has proven itself to be one of contraction, not addition, not multiplication it is doubling down, tripling down as you noted on that core base vote. donald trump's thinking, his logic, because he's such a political guru is that the more of my maga comes out, the greater my chances of winning, which triggers, oddly enough, the whole fixation on crowd size because the crowd size have

diminished for him kamala's has not, and that more than anything else is why he did that press conference to say to his base, y'all need to get back in the game with me because i need you again, this is not about addition and multiplication, it is about contraction around getting his base to push out and win the election for him >> the democrats -- i'm curious about what the democrats have in front of him "the new york times" is reporting that donald trump doesn't quite know how to run against kamala harris, and we have seen obviously examples of that, the way he's trying to grab back attention in the headlines with all the volatile stuff he's saying. looking down the line, less than 100 days left for the election, what are the speed traps you're seeing ahead for the democrats >> there are a number of speed traps, and a lot of them ironically enough are going to be on policy it's not going to be on the style and the energy and the interest in the campaign, where the democrats have now got to

begin to align itself with the voters is on the narrative of okay, we didn't have a sense of what a second biden term looked like, you need to fill in what a first harris term will look like that's where you're getting a lot of push up from members of the press, you won't sit down with us, however you talk to us. it's been three weeks, folks, give her the time to put that together absolutely, by the time she rolls into chicago, and certainly when she rolls out of chicago. she will have to have begun to lay the seeds for nasrratives o health care, child care, the border, foreign policy how much of a distance is she going to create between her administration and the biden administration relative to israel, relative to the palestinian question there are going to be a number of things wring there's going to

be potential speed bumps that could impact momentum, could impact the energy, and certainly re-align the numbers as you were talking with our buddy mark about some of the polling earlier, realign the numbers, make it tighter than a 4, 5 point race to a 2, 3 point race. we'll see, a lot of it is dependent on how she approaches policy on her side. >> apparently will be coming out with a policy news conference or event soon one other question, though, on the subject of the word weird, and how tim walz was able to use it and the democrats attached themselves to it it's working it makes donald trump not seem so powerful, but less than in the democrats' eyes. something they have been looking for for the past eight years, can they overdo it on the word weird. is that potentially going to be

a problem. >> can trump over do it -- >> no, can the democrats, i was listening to an ezra podcast today where he was warning against all of the democrats coming on and overuse weird. it works for tim walz because he's a mid western guy from a town of 400. he's at those thanksgiving dinner tables where some of the family members are trump supporters it works for him but worried the democrats have started using weird too much might get themselves into trouble, might take away the power of that word. >> no, that's the nervous nelly side of the democratic party lean into the fight for heaven's sake good god, second guessing a strategy that's working. everyone picks it up and runs with it. you'll know if it becomes too much is it too much, lock her up, was that too much. all the crazy stuff that comes out of trump land, i mean, all the time we spent, you heard other people talking about sharks and electric vehicles,

electric batteries the reality of it is it works. there's something doing what tim walz did was he crystallized in one word what people already believe. but never really had the word to fit it and so that's why it works that's why the whole narrative around j.d. vance stuck the way it did because regardless of whether what they were saying on twitter about j.d. vance was true, what was important and what people missed was that people actually believed it. and that tells you a lot about what people think about these candidates so if you level up a word like weird and it takes off and people are, like, using it, yeah, that's weird they're weird, that's because they believe they're weird that's good narrative. you don't want to overdo it like every word out of your mouth shouldn't be weird but in the

context of a conversation, every once in a while, that's really kind of weird, katy, i'm sorry, that's just weird. and let it go. >> all right, michael, i got to let it go right now. thank you very much, my friend i'm going to put up a qr code on the screen right now, and you can use it to buy ticket os of event, msnbc live, democracy 2024, held in person in brooklyn, new york steve kornacki and i are going to kick things off, talk about the election and other pressing issues, maybe the latest on the polling obviously, and you can be there so go grab that qr code, buy some tickets we would love to see you. coming up, what microsoft is saying about the reported hack of the trump campaign. the alleged hack and whether or not it's just the beginning, the chief of the u.s. cyber security agency, current chief joins us next. plus, what david french says could save conservatism

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we've got some breaking news out of southern california a 4.7 magnitude earthquake, quite a strong earthquake, just struck pasadena. it follows a 5.2 magnitude earthquake near bakersfield last week, causing a lot of people to wonder if something more could be coming. in the meantime, back in 2016, when donald trump was seizing on the hacked e-mails from hillary clinton's campaign, you remember this. he actually waved them around. he was warned by pretty much everyone in cyber security to be careful, that what a foreign government can do to her, it can do to you. eight years later, it is donald trump claiming his campaign has been hacked, and he's blaming iran nbc news has not independently confirmed the allegation, which was first roeported by "politico

in the after math of an anonymous e-mail containing what appeared to be internal communications from a senior trump campaign official. but it is unclear if those documents in that e-mail were a part of a hack joining us now, the director of the cyber security and infrastructure security agency, jen easterly it's really good to have you thank you so much for joining us >> thanks,aty, great to be with you. >> this is the third presidential election in a row where we have been dealing with this sort of foreign interference potentially what can you tell us about what s cisa is doing about it. >> on the details of the matter you just discussed, i would defer you to the department of justice. generally speaking for the election cycle, cisa, along with the intelligence community and the fbi, we have been raising awareness for months about how foreign adversaries might aim to undermine confidence in u.s.

democratic institutions and to sow partisan discord in april, we released a full guide, details the latest tactics in foreign maligned issue tactics, releasing updates, the 29th of july, foreign actors, attempting to influence the election, including russia, china and iran in the most recent update, they noted that it had observed iran working to influence the presidential elections by continuing those efforts so, you know, none of this is new. obviously it is a very complex environment, but i think we need to understand how much work has been done by the election stake holder community since 2017 when election infrastructure was designated as critical infrastructure election infrastructure has never been more secure, katy. >> i want to ask you also about that because microsoft and reporting that there was an attempted hack, they wouldn't

say on which campaign, also identified a county level government employee in a swing state. i want to get that right, who was compromised by an iranian group. what is the objective there from iran to find a county level employee, and to try to get into their computer >> i mean, the larger intent from everything we have seen from the intelligence community is to find a way to undermine american confidence in the security and integrity of our election it's an undermined confidence and democratic institution, as well as figure out ways to fuel partisan discord, so while i can't comment on the specifics, you'll have to ask microsoft more about that. clearly all of this fits into iran's largest intent to try and break american confidence and it's why it's so important that we as americans need to all play a role in preserving our democracy. because these threats from our foreign adversaries, whether it's iran or russia or china are

very real. >> you talk about election infrastructure being secure, when people hear about a county level official or employee being hacked by a foreign government, they're going to worry that that means the voting machines, too, can be hacked by a foreign government explain once again what you say about the voting machines, what can and cannot be done, and why they are secure? >> so to be clear, 2017 in the after math of russian attempts to influence the presidential election, election infrastructure was designated as critical infrastructure, and my agency was designated as the federal government lead, on the front lines of administering, and managing and securing elections. since that period of time, there has been a tremendous amount of work done to increase the security and resilience of election infrastructure, and as a result of that, election officials ran secure elections

in 2018, in 2020, and in 2022. i think, as you know, katy, there's no evidence that malicious actors, changed, altered or deleted votes or had any material impact on the outcome of election, and that has been validated time and again, to include in multiple court challenges and any place where the election was close in 2020, there were paper records, which could be counted and recounted, and audited to ensure accuracy so i spend a ton of time in this job with election officials all over the country i know how tirelessly they work to ensure that every one of their citizens votes are counted as cast. it's why i have confidence in the security of our elections, and why the american people should as well >> you know, i was talking to a number of state ags in the lead up to the 2020 election. not ags, secretaries of state. the people in charge of the elections in individual states,

and they said over and over again, our machines are not connected to the internet. we had chris krebs come on and repeatedly say the machines are not connected to the internet to absolve the fears of a foreign government being able to get into them. i just want to ask you one more time, can you confirm that there was a hack of an attempted attack microsoft is saying it can you go that far? >> yeah, i would really defer you to doj and to microsoft for any of the details on the matter i do want to make one more point, though, katy, going back to the security of election infrastructure you asked specifically about compromise of a county official's account, and i don't know the details of that. i think it's also really important to understand that elections are incredibly diverse every single state does things a little bit differently and the fact that that is the case makes the election systems very resilient so what might happen in one

county will only affect that one county and so that resilience, the diversity of the infrastructure, makes the resilience of our overall election infrastructure that much stronger. >> you got me fixing my hair jen, are you a fan of "jaws" >> i am a fan of surfing. >> i guess that reminds you to be careful in the water. also be careful on the internet. jen easterly, thank you so much for joining us i appreciate it. >> thanks, katy. joining us now, former general counsel for the national security agency, senior adviser national studies, glenn ger stall. trump is saying the iranians hacked him what's your read on it >> well, you know, when there's smoke, there's usually an often fire but not always. i think in this case we have a lot of circumstantial evidence, we've got the microsoft report

saying iran was caught compromising or seeking to compromise the accounts of a presidential campaign. we have the trump campaign itself saying they were hacked, although they don't know for sure we have some documents that apparently could probably have come from only the e-mails of the trump campaign being sent to journalists, and then finally, and most importantly, we have a reason that iran would want to be doing this. they would like to get back at trump for ordering the killing of soleimani, and also imposing sanctions on them after he pulled out of the deal, and iran has a long, rich history of cyb cyber malevolence. >> the reporting is this was a phishing attack that the iranians were able to get into an e-mails of a former senior adviser and used that to e-mail donald trump's team to try to get them to click on a link, much the same way that hillary clinton's campaign was hacked in

2016 we all know that we have been warned against phishing scams a lot of companies do drills on phishing scams so that you individually don't, you know, subject the entire company to a hack from a foreign government or a bad actor is there something more that can be done than just hoping for the best, that an employee doesn't mistakenly click a button? >> well, largely, yes. there are some things we can take at the end of the day, you're right, it all depends on actions, companies can click on a link, causing chaos for everybody. there are things you can do. one of the press reports indicated that the trump campaign apparently did not fully implement an e-mail a authentication system known as demark, which basically makes sure the e-mails pretending to come from your company are really coming from your company

and not spoofed. that would be a basic building block, you would want to have. there's a series of things you can do to make sure you're a little more safe at the end of the day, as you correctly point out, we're all subject to the possibility of a very sophisticated cyber actor who wants to get into your account, probably will do so. >> glenn, thank you very much. . we're going to go back to that breaking news out of california now. the los angeles police department is urging residents to be prepared for after shocks after a 4.7 preliminary magnitude earthquake near south pasadena hit just a few moments ago. that's 7 miles east of downtown l.a. joining us now, nbc news correspondent, dana griffin. you were close to pasadena, what did it feel like there >> we're about 15 miles from pasadena here at the los angeles bureau, an office full of nbc news journalists it felt like a truck almost hit the building everyone stood up.

it didn't feel like an earthquake at first. you felt the rumble, the lights shaking and, it was over you go to twitter and see, did i just feel what i thought i felt, it is confirmed, a 4.4 magnitude earthquake hit in pasadena, felt as far as san diego county, this comes on the heels of the 7.1 magnitude earthquake that hit in japan, and a 5.2 magnitude earthquake that hit near bakersfield, some hundred miles from here. we are seeing on some of the screens that are in our newsroom some local schools evacuating students to an outside field, just in case there are after shocks, and just in case there's a bigger one to come, and i think it's so important that we're reminds of the fact that earthquakes can happen at any moment, and one next thing that experts have warned about is what's called a megaquake, an eight to nine magnitude quake that could cause significant

damage, potentially life threatening and something that people have been warning about, because they can strike at any moment, without warning, that's essentially what we felt today, on a much smaller scale, 4.4 rattled some nerves. most of us felt it, some did not. but for many people, it was just kind of like, wait, was that what we thought it was it is confirmed that an earthquake has hit in los angeles county, in the pasadena area a lot of people shaking. hearing people saying on twitter that that felt really really violent, really big. not to the point where things were falling over, which is a good sign, wu enough to rattle nerves you're going to likely see fire departments checking local bridges and infrastructure to make sure that things are safe but at this point, no reports of any major damages or injuries. >> felt it out there in ceremony

s -- santa monica she was the first to tell me about the earthquake and the earthquake that was so strong and did so much damage in los angeles, taking down freeways, entire stretches of freeway, the city itself went in and did a lot of infrastructure repairs and also shoring up of buildings to make sure that they are all earthquake proof, especially in places that are built on sand, like santa monica if it's built on bedrock, built on something solid, it's a little bit easier to withstand an earthquake like that, even a smaller one. when they're built on sand, things crumble a lot of steel has gone into the buildings in the past couple of decades to make sure they're ready for the next big one, which, you know. >> reporter: could happen at any moment. >> geologists will say they're overdue on dana griffin, next time, get under your desk before you get on twitter >> i will.

thank you. "the new york times" columnist david french argues that donald trump's gop has strayed from the principles it once held in the reagan era, what allegiance do you owe a party of movement or a politician when it or they fundamentally change their ideology and ethos the answer, french writes, is none which is one reason he's saying he's voting for vice president kamala harris in november. joining us now, "new york times" opinion columnist, david french. david, you don't agree with a lot of what harris is championing. you don't agree with abortion, for instance, that's a big one for the democratic party high are you going to vote for her? >> in 2016 and 2020, i was a never trumper, i couldn't vote for democrats who had policies that i strongly disagreed with but a few things changed

number one, january 6th, we saw that donald trump would be willing to potentially break the country for his own power. number two, the ukraine war, where we saw the gop standing much of the gop, especially the maga gop and trump, really wilting in the face of russian aggression and the democrats actually standing up in the face of russian aggression, and the third thing that a lot of republicans, katy, still do not fully understand i have been receiving this correspondence, and they don't even know where their own party stands the third thing is the republicans watered down their own position on life, where it's the weakest pro life platform in 40 years or more when you have a party running away from you idealogically and doubling down on terrible character with a dangerous person, then if you've been a lifelong republican, i've got news for you, the party is not the party you grew up with it's surprising to me how feel people i encounter just in daily life who have fully absorbed a

reality. >> krouryou're saying you're got vote for her if she wins and, donald trump loses, again, if republicans lose the senate, they lose the house, you think that's going to send a message. >> it will send a message. who knows if it's received there's a difference between send ago message and absorbing a message. it would send a message that the path of maga is a path of electoral ruin whether people want to hear that or will react to that, i don't know the only thing i can do as a voter is send whatever message that i can, and after january 6th, after the ukraine war, after the dramatic changes in the gop on social conservative issues, you know, it's time to send that message to the republican party if it wants to regather the coalition that won at the white house in the past, it needs a big big change. >> do you think tim walz is

going to be an effective messenger to the midwest is he going to be an asset to kamala harris? >> i don't think honestly he's going to matter that much one way or the other kw you know, when you have vice presidential nominees, they matter for a brief news cycle at the beginning, at the convention and at the vice presidential debate we haven't seen a vp nominee be really dispositive since maybe lyndon johnson in 1960 this is still going to be almost exclusively about kamala harris versus donald trump. this is not a normal race in the sense that donald trump is somebody who, even when other people are getting attention in the media negatively, he feels angst that her's not the center of attention he's going to be constantly trying to hog all of the attention in the race. so i don't think walz at the end of the day is going to move the

needle much one way or the other. >> it's interesting. when people are talking about donald trump now, they're talking a lot about j.d. vance how do you see j.d. vance affecting the candidate or the campaign do you see him as being an asset or a liability >> again, to the extent that he matters, i think j.d. vance is a liability, but for a unique reason it's not that j.d. vance is unusual within the maga world. he's a normal maga politician but he's also not donald trump there's a track record of maga politicians who are not donald trump alienating people in a way that trump doesn't and so it's very fascinating to see sort of trumpism channelled through j.d. vance and it's less appealing to americans than for some reason, than when it's channelled through donald trump. whether it's donald trump's existing fame or the perception that he's a very successful man or he's more of an entertainer,

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