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middle east where the region is a knife's edge. the possibility of a broader conflict is starting to look more like an inevitability. the only hope to stall vie lens is a cease fire. we see news reports that iran is rejecting pressure from the united states, france, the u.k., germany and italy to stand down or delay retaliation for assassination of the hamas leader that happened about a week ago. iran's foreign minister declared the country is determined to defend its national security and sovereignty and that calls to deescalate lack political yod ideology. in reports that iran was ready to take part, iran's mission to the united nations says no. it will not. more critically, hamas says it won't take part in the latest round of negotiations either

which by the way are still scheduled for thursday. so what happens next and what does prime minister netanyahu trying to achieve now? there is increasing worry that israel is dragging the u.s. into the war and if so, why? joining us now from tel aviv, elson barber. i'm going to start with you because i've got a frog in my throat and need someone else to speak for a second. tell me what is happening in the region and just lay out out the players. >> reporter: it's interesting because it has felt a lot of times being on this side of things that the u.s. is talking about the possibility of a cease fire deal as it being very close and realistic and when i speak to palestinians and when he listen to what hamas has said publicly and what sources are telling our team, it just seems like they're talking about two completely different worlds. almost. we heard begin today from one of hamas' top political leaders.

this is what he told nbc news. he said the movement's position in the statement is clear. there is no need for any new rounds of conversations and what secretary of state blinken was asked yesterday in a press conference about some things hamas has said publicly and whether or not the u.s., egypt, and qatar would continue with negotiations this week if hamas was not there, he sort of dodged on that saying he believed all parties should come to the table and participate. when you're looking at the palestinian and perspective of hamas here, we have seen reporting that the new top leader of hamas, that he is possibly leaning towards wanting to see some sort of cease fire deal. when i've spoken recently with experts in the west bank who have experienced negotiations like this in the past, they tell me they find it hard to see something happening after the assassination. one person told me this in part. he said we've been getting

statements from the u.s. since october. he said if they are really serious about any agreement or negotiation, they would use their leverage to force netanyahu to enter into an agreement at this point that would lead to a permanent cease fire, which is what hamas wants and they would stop sending weapons and use, he says, that sort of leverage to try and force netanyahu's hands. obviously, netanyahu and israel, they have claims repeatedly that it's hamas holding up these negotiations and changing the goal posts and they want to have some sort of agreement to get the hostages out but that the issues are on the other side of things versus theirs. again, just talking to sources here and hearing their public statements, it's hard to see how a deal happens at least on thursday, but the big caveat i'll give is that that's what we know and what we're being told from sources, from officials right now. it could very well change ten minutes from now. what's still happening inside of gaza is a humanitarian crisis

that is of an epic scale and if we can, i want to show our viewers new video we got from inside of gaza today. if we have it. because i think this is a reminder of the urgency that blinken and the u.s. talks about. this baby you see on your screen there, she is five months old. the doctor is treating her, she is the only surviving member of her immediate family. they have her in the hospital there because they have been having difficulty getting her to eat when her family was killed, they say an israeli air strike, her mother was breast-feeding that baby and they say she won't take formula or anything else and just keeps crying. she was brought in to the hospital by one of her aunts saying help me, the baby won't eat. that is an every day thing. we talked so much about this weekend about the strike that happened in gaza city because the death toll appeared so high. but this is an every day reality that is still taking place inside of gaza where you have innocent civilians impacted by this war and you have inside of

israel, famililies like the bevis family for instance, who they have children still believed to be in captivity inside of gaza. last week, we saw people gather to mark the 5th birthday of a boy. his family, they have no idea on his condition. >> we've been thinking about them at well. matt bradley, you're with us from beirut. what is hezbollah going to do? senior hezbollah leader was killed in a strike in the past couple of weeks and there has been anticipation that hezbollah might do something more to retaliate. what's the feeling like out there? >> hezbollah has gone to ground. we haven't been able to speak to any of them and this is a group we have been speaking to in the past. we don't know what they're going to do. there have been reports hezbollah will be the ones to strike first and hezbollah is iran's main cat's paw in the

region and they're so effective in their fight against the israelis and they're flush right up against the border with northern lebanon. a lot of expert, people who have been watching the region and diplomats do expect that if iran were to retaliate, it would come first through hezbollah. these assassinations you're talking about, these are twin assassinations. the iranian have vowed to respond. hezbollah has vowed to respond. we just heard from reuters today quoting through senior iranian security officials saying if there is a deal, these negotiations, if there's a deal to end the fighting in the gaza strip and free those remaining hostages, bring some measure of peace after ten months, that that could convince the iranian to step back from the brink and that would be huge. because this region is now closer to a full on war that

would envelope the entire middle east than it has been in generations and that's why the united states has been deploying diplomats here, trying to get not only more parties to involve themselves in these upcoming negotiations that as you mentioned are happening in two days. we don't know if they're in cairo or doha, qatar, but also to get all the sides to step back from the brink. to holster their weapons and not retaliate against these two assassinations that happened two weeks ago. the iranian say this was an israeli assassination of a top hamas official in their capital, but the israels have neither denied or confirmed. in hezbollah when there was that assassination in beirut, israelis got behind it and said we were the ones who did this. but this is still up in the air. we don't know whether hezbollah is going to retaliate. whether these negotiations are

going to delay it and we don't know whether a successful round of negotiations will convince the iranian not to follow through with their vow to retaliate. and again, we don't know what it's going to look like, if it's going to resemble the one in april, which was more symbolic. more like a dance fight. nobody was expecting a dance fight. they're expecting something very real. something that will be punishing for the israelis from here, lebanon, or the houthis, those iran-backed groups in iraq and syria and also hamas also backed by iran. taken together, these are called the axis of resistance and iran can use them to punish israel in a way we haven't seen before. >> we've seen you do a number of interviews with members of hezbollah. leaders. it's interesting you say they're so far not speaking in this particular moment. peter baker joins us as well. chief white house correspondent for the "the new york times."

also an msnbc political analyst. so, peter, the white house obviously is deeply concerned. the administration is sending more military assets to the region. this has been something that president biden has been working furiously at aalong with his negotiating team. what can you tell us about what they're planning or hoping for for the thursday talks? >> yeah, they have a whole series of not only weapons and hardware going to the region, but also diplomats. you have jake sullivan's dispatch, brett mcgirk to go to cairo and another white house official is going to lebanon. bill burns, cia director, is going to doha. we haven't heard yet whether blinken might go, but that's on the table it seems like. i think the idea of course is to try to avoid that war matthew was talking about. they don't want this to escalate. if there is retaliation by

hezbollah or iran, that they want to first of all help israel defend themselves. that's what the hardware is there for. secondly, to convince israel not to escalate themselves afterwards. >> are they planning or at least getting into the position if need be to get into this war to be dragged into a broader conflict? >> well, i think president biden does not have any intent into being dragged into a wider conflict. what he has told netanyahu in the past and more recently is that he does not want to be part of an assault. he will help defend. the barrage of 300 missiles and drones fired by iran at israel in april was almost entirely defeated. almost all of them knocked down by not just israeli defenses, but u.s. and other allies in the region. they're prepared to do the same thing again. that doesn't mean the president wants the prime minister to then

take up the sword and continue to attack the enemies in the region as much biden believes that israel security is of course paramount. the president does not want this to be boiling up into a regional war because who knows where that would lead. >> thank you guys very much. joining us now, senior fellow at the carnegie endowment for international peace. i want to start with this concern a lot of folks have that netanyahu, his goal here is to drag the u.s. into a broader war. that that was the intent by such a high profile assassination, not necessarily of the hezbollah leader in beirut, but of the hamas leader in tehran on the day specifically of the new iranian president's inauguration. >> thanks for having me. the organizing principle of netanyahu's life is stay in power. on trial for bribery, breach of

trust four years running due to testify in december. lose to the coalition 64 seats and he's forced out of power, he faces the prospect of either conviction perhaps or plea deal that will drag on. so whether or not he wants a massive escalation that would lead to something we've never seen before. a multifront war that would encompass lebanon, iraq, syria, yemen, and ultimately could produce a direct u.s.-iranian confrontation. not sure he wants that, but he definitely wants the continuation of the conflict because when it stops, then it forces accountability around politics will essentially focus on him. i think he's prepared to roll the dice though. i don't think he's seeking one, but i think if in fact there is a negotiation that takes place

on thursday, friday, if in fact the two sides prepare to make the decision, i think there's a reasonable chance you can get a cease fire which would then calm down the northern front which would be a great benefit for everybody. but under no circumstances do i see either one agree to be a sustainable cessation of hostilities. one more point. wars have never been kind to american presidents. the last good war that was kind to an american president was fdr in world war ii. the last thing the biden administration needs right now is to be drawn in defensively or offensively. and no one raised the issue of what happens in a mass casualty event because iranian militia strike in syria or iraq, then what are the choices for the u.s.? so fraught incredibly tense.

still predicting we can get out of this without the armageddon scenario that so many people are understandably fearful. >> the president was just on the tarmac in louisiana for an event out there and he told reporters he's not giving up hope for a compromise, a cease fire. i do want to go back to just one more point. the same point again. a liberal newspaper in israel, not a fan of netanyahu at all. and this is an opinion piece by a man out there. he says what he sees is netanyahu trying to compare himself to big time wartime leaders like churchill, roosevelt, saying that pearl harbor, october 7th, was their pearl harbor and he writes this. that they know full well the right assassination in the right place at the right time could start a world war that will last years and leave netanyahu in

power until it is over. this world war is the baby he is nurturing. that's a really provocative headline. do you think it's, what do you make of that? >> i mean, again, i think the prime minister who wants to be prime minister and will do almost anything to remain prime minister more than any other israeli political figure. when you talk about world war or regional armageddon, i think the israeli prime minister is prepared to roll the dice. i think he'd like to see some sort of deescalation, but he's taking a chance by killing. he's taken a big chance. they have their list as they did after munich. they're going through the list one by one, eliminating hamas leaders. and frankly in the end, and this is the irresponsibility of having the worst prime minister at the worst time at the worst moment. literally. the worst moment perhaps in the history of the state of israel.

a man who has elevated his own political survival. his own needs and requirements above the security and integrity and the internal stability of his country. that's the real problem here. and not that hamas isn't. netanyahu and he could move quickly and decisively to calm things down. >> pinkus makes the point about hadda. you say they're going after hamas leaders one by one. he makes this point. israel could have killed him near in the middle east but chose to do so in iran during the inauguration. he said that's the very definition of provocative. one more quick question. what do you make of hezbollah going dark? not talking right now. >> they've relocated according to reports but many of their assets in southern suburbs of beirut. hezbollah can do the most damage

and they know that if there are civilian casualties on the israeli side that they will pay for it. so again, i think you and i could wake up tomorrow morning and find we're in a regional war or alternatively, we can go day by day, drip by drip, searching to try to determine exactly if the iranian are going to strike and what are the prospects of getting a cease fire that would preempt and bring us back to a much calmer situation. >> all right. thank you again. one of these days, we'll get a full hour to talk about this. all right. still ahead, the fbi is now investigating efforts to hack both the trump and biden harris campaigns. who exactly was targeted and what iran might have to do with it. plus, arizona just added a key issue to its november ballot. and is it going to drive voters? sure looks like it might. arizona's secretary of state is

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the fbi confirms it is investigating allegations of a hack on not just the trump campaign, but also the biden harris campaign. the hacks targeted roger stone and three biden harris campaign staffers. and while stone told "the washington post" authorities notified him of his e-mail being compromised, the source who spoke with nbc news said that it is not clear whether it worked on the biden staffers. t the hack. joining us now, nbc news correspondent, garrett haake. so the fbi is investigating. what more can you tell us about these alleged hacks? >> well, not a lot is the bottom line. the fbi is only confirming they're investigating. most of the rest of the information we have comes from the trump campaign. they believe this was iran or iranian-linked elements that did the hacking. there has been reporting including from microsoft suggesting iran was going to try to use some kind of cyber capability to meddle in this

election. we also know there have been anonymous e-mail accounts basically shopping around what does seem to be internal information from the trump campaign. specifically related to jd vance. we can't affirmatively connect these two events. most of what we're going with is the trump campaign's assertion, roger stone in being great irony of one of the people to be hacked given his role in the wikileaks episode of 2016 and the fbi just now getting to work on this when it apparently happened in june. >> let's talk about the conversation donald trump had with elon musk last night. it was long, it was winding. said a lot of things. not a lot of substance there, but he said a lot of things. what are, how do his allies feel about the way he's waging this campaign right now? it doesn't seem like he's landed on a way to campaign against kamala harris. >> no, it seems to be a little bit all over the place.

his regards to musk, he is an important ally and his following there is something that i think the trump campaign believes is not necessarily duplicated by shows like this or his appearances on fox news. he could reach a different audience by going on and talking to musk on a streaming platform, but there is a lot of concern in the republican party more broadly, basically not folks on trump's payroll, that his messaging isn't breaking through, he needs to do more and be more aggressive in targeting kamala harris' record. not her biography, race, but her record and the policies she has laid out. particularly when she ran for president in 2019 and the things she could be tied to in the biden administration. i think the trump campaign feels like they have some time for this. they know they're not going to be able to interrupt her momentum before the convention next week, but it's clear, it's evident that donald trump is frustrated by her assent and is trying a little bit of everything to take some of the shine of what's been an

ascendant democratic ticket without much success. >> you could also argue giving her a long lead to define herself without the voters. which is what most campaigns would try to do. especially when they had something coming into the race all of a sudden without much of a stamp on the public mentality. garrett haake, thank you so much. coming up, what key issue will now appear on arizona's november ballot and how it could impact the senate and presidential races. arizona secretary of state joins us after the break. plus, what just happened more than a year after the offices of the marion county record were searched in a raid that also targeted the home of its publisher. don't go anywhere. e of its publisher. don't go anywhere. we're cooking with fire. (vo) switch to the partner businesses rely on. here's to getting better with age. here's to beating these two every thursday. help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need,

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again, we're going to go in there if he addresses what folks are calling the stolen valor allegations. about his military service and why he chose to leave the national guard when he did. we're just watching this. he has not taken the stage. abortion access will officially be on arizona's ballot this november. the arizona secretary of state announced late monday that the arizona act shattered the number of ballot signatures needed to be certified as a ballot initiative. the constitutional amendment for that state now called proposition 139 would create a fundamental right to receive abortion care up until fetal viability, which is usually about 24 weeks. arizona law currently bans most abortions right now after 15 weeks. with this ballot, arizona becomes the second swing state and the second state overall to put abortion access to the voters since the supreme court overturned roe v. wade in 2022.

joining us now, arizona secretary of state and executive board member, adrian fontez. thank you for being on. this number of signatures, 577,000, double the amount needed to get it on the ballot. but there are some groups who are still trying to stop it. can they be successful? >> well, first and foremost, we are in the process prop 139 is on the ballot. and as you mentioned, there will be legal challenges. currently there's a legal challenge for the language that goes in the publicity pamphlet we mail out to every voter with explanation of what the law would do. there will probably also be other challenges now that it has officially made the ballot as to its constitutionality. the opponents of this measure are not going to stop at anything and that's just the way our democracy works. you know, i'm here to talk about process. not whether or not this ought to

pass and the process has been amazing. hundreds of thousands of signatures in fact. this initiative has more valid signatures than any other petition has turned in signatures in the first place. it's absolutely outstanding the folks out there that were collecting these signatures. close to one in seven voters are on this. >> obviously it's very popular. do you have a sense of who's been signing this? democrats, republicans, independents? do you know whether some of these voters might vote for this initiative and then turn around and vote for donald trump, say they've got their issue taken care of then still lean toward the republican candidates? >> yes, yes, and yes to all of it. democrats, republicans, independents, no labels, libertarians, greens.

even my race speaks to the notion of splitting tickets. i won by 120,000 votes and we know 123,000 were fontez lake voters so splitting tickets is not new in arizona. that's why so many people pay so much attention to our results. because it's always a fun thing to watch at the end of the day, but as we have done for a long time, we run very good elections here. and we're going to go through the process bit by bit. crossing all the ts and dotting all the is so we can have accountability, security, and openness in our elections. >> november is fast approaching. how's voter registration looking this year? >> it's going to do exactly what it always does. it's going to be spiking in the next several weeks. our deadline is near the beginning of october and political parties, political action committees, candidates, they're all going to be trying to register as many voters as possible, which that's going to be part of the narrative that

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enterprise club that have tried to stop the standardization of these solid processes to help folks just have peace and calm at these polling places. they want to make it so that folks can just you know, yell and scream at folks in line and claim first amendment but they forget about the voters' first amendment right to peaceably assemble. they forget about the fact that the government forces these voters to stand in these lines in order to vote and they should have some greater protections because of that. it is a strict scrutiny standard and you know, i just don't want whackos coming in and disrupting our elections but apparently the free enterprise club does. but we are doing everything on the official side we can to protect our voters and process so we can protect our democracy. >> secretary of state from arizona, thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you very having me. what the police chief who led a raid in kansas last year

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a former kansas police chief who led a raid on a local newspaper last year has been charged with a felony count of

obstruction. ex-police chief gideon cody says he had evidence the newspaper committed identity theft. an accusation eventually proved insufficient by a court. he ordered a raid on the office fs of the marion county record and the homes of its publisher and co-owner, eric meyer along with ruth herbal. myers' 98-year-old mother lived with him and was home at the time of the raid. a day later, she collapsed and died. he attributed her death to stress from that raid. joining us now, editor and publisher, eric myer. i'm sorry about your mother again. i know it's been about a year now. i'm sure it's still very difficult. >> thanks. >> what do you think of the police chief being charged with

obstruction in this? >> well, it's nice that someone got charged. i wish that it would have been a charge related to the raid itself. but it was actually charged with essentially a cover up after the raid telling someone to destroy text messages he'd exchanged. although the special prosecutors appointed to the case said there was absolutely nothing right about the raid they did on our office and homes. everyone seems to have escaped responsibility for it. sort of a if everyone's got some shared responsibility in it, no one does. and everyone has some sort of sense of qualified immunity and apparently, the criminal justice system just didn't equipped to deal with this so we're going to continue on as we have in the past with our federal civil cases that we hope will get some precedence on. >> they said the raid was justified because of identity theft. the court said no, it wasn't justifiable. >> the special prosecutors never said the raid was justified.

they in fact turned the investigation very shoddy. they said that the few minutes that were spent investigating before this were complete waste of time. that either the officer was attempting to do confirmation bias or was incompetent or just misunderstood what he heard on the phone and that was the only investigation that was done. a phone call in which the officer didn't even get the name of who he was talking to before he did that. but the judge signed off on it. now, the judge was told that in the future, you should read things before you seen it, but she didn't do anything. the attorney was told you should really look at things before you send them to the judge, which he didn't do, but it's not wrong. so it sort of had this everything was okay because nothing was right and as the special prosecutors pointed out, incompetence is not a crime. >> it is a big, fas line that you cross when you raid a

newspaper. raid a journalist. it's a big deal. it's a huge deal. what were they trying to find? what did they think your paper had done? what is the case surrounding this raid? >> i don't know that they attempted to find anything. in fact, the document they supposedly were looking for was sitting right here on my desk under one piece of paper. they didn't take it. they were raiding us so they could raid us and one of the things that's important to understand is that's why they also raided the city councilwoman's house. >> why? what was the motivation in your eyes? >> the mayor wanted to get rid of the vice mayor and had said the day they decided to file for a search warrant that the only way i can get rid of her is by having her convicted of a crime so here's two people who separately, we weren't work together. we both notified law enforcement that we had this record that had

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we're going to go right to the tim walz event in los angeles. he's talked about his military record. let's listen. >> these guys are even attacking me for my record of service. and i just want to say i'm proud to have served my country and i always will be. with my dad's encouragement, a

guy who served in the army during the korean war, i signed up for the army national forward guard two days after my 17th birthday. i served for the next 24 years for the same reason all my brothers and sisters in uniform do. we love this country. then in 2005, i felt the call of duty again. this time of being of service to my country in the halls of congress. my students inspired me to run for that office and i was proud to make it to washington. i was a member of the veterans affairs committee and a champion of our men and women in uniform. i'm going to say it again as clearly as i can. i am damn proud of my service to this country. another person's service record. anyone brave enough to put on that uniform for our great country, including my opponent, i just have a few simple words. thank you for your service and

sacrifice. but, look, it is not what they've done that we should be concerned with here today. it is what hair going to do. one of the clear goals of that project 2025 to-do list is to put the screws to working people. making it harder for us to collectively bargain, allowing employers to drastically cut over time or even eliminate it and make no mistake about this. donald trump and j.d. vance want to eliminate all public sector unions altogether. hell, they're even going after the 40-hour workweek. someone was joking and said what is next, child labor. oh, yeah, that is in there too, by the way. reducing the rules around our children, putting them into dangerous jobs again. the folks who came before us spilled blood and treasure and spent their lives working to give us dignity and safety in

our workplace so you could do a good day's work and go home to your family safely at night. project 2025 will take all of that away. and repeal what you work sod hard for, the affordable care act and the protection against pre-existing conditions and they're gut social security and medicare. i said this too, i guess you can't blame them in you're billionaires. >> i don't know, but i guess billionaires arnt waiting for their social security check to come in to get by. but i know people who are. like my mom, who depends on her retirement of social security benefits that she earned. >> tim walz addressing union work tlez in los angeles. saying, that he happens to be the first union member on a presidential ticket since ronald reagan. both he and the vp contender and kamala harris have made a concerted effort to court union

workers just as joe biden had done during his presidency and they've proven to be successful so far with quite a few union endorsements. you also heard him right there address the criticisms of his military record. joining us now is nbc news white house correspondent mike memoli. and it is surrounding a decision he made to get out of the national guard before his troop was deployed to iraq. give us a little bit more. >> yeah, katy, this is such an important moment for tim walz. stepping out solo for the first time after being selected for the running mate to hold a campaign event and we've heard a red meat speech to a union audience. you've heard the governor talking about his record as governor, the way he is implemented pro-worker laws and vice president harris casting the tie-breaking vote for various pieces of legislation that have supported labor unions

as well. but it is an important opportunity to face the criticism over his record in the national guard. did he serve for 24 years, joining -- following his father's example but he did make a decision and the campaign worked to clarify the timeline, in the months leading up to his unit being deployed he made the decision to run for congress. the came doesn't dispute there was the possibility of his unit being deployed but he had already signed his -- the declaration of candidacy to run for congress. so rather than get into the weeds of this particular issue, you heard governor walz speaking about anybody that has enlisted or warn the nation's military uniform deserves respect, even of his opponent in this case, j.d. vance, who served as a public information officer, you

simply say thank you for their service so this is a sign that the campaign felt the governor there needed to address this issue in his own words lest it continue to fester. >> an the top of the republican ticket is donald trump and never sevened this country and avoided serving because he said he had bone spurs in his foot and in his heel. so, interesting that they're going to attack on the military record. i understand that j.d. vance has served. but the top of ticket, donald trump has not. mike memoli. thank you. ukraine is turning the tablgs on russia, bringing the war over the border and deep near russian territory, andrea mitchell shows us what the fighting now looks like. >> ukraine troops advancing eight miles inside of russia's border. saying they've now gained control of more than 600 miles of russian territory in bell go rod and kusk.

vladimir putin said russian forces will squeeze out and knock out the enemy from our territory after the local governor in a televised meeting told putin that ukraine controls russian villages and they removed a flag in the region all of this stunning and embarrassing putin. for the first time president zelenskyy confirming ukraine troops are operating inside of russia. proxting this reaction from a lindsey graham in kyiv. >> bold, brilliant, beautiful. keep it up. putin started this. kick his ass. >> and no objections from the biden administration. saying ukraine was defending itself against russian cross border attacks. >> joining us now, military analyst, barry mccaffrey. is this an effective move by vladimir putin? >> yeah, i think so. it is remarkable. a lot of discussion of where will it end. i think initially the ukrainians

spotted a weakness in the russian setup. they've been using their contract soldiers and their prisoners, criminal prisoners in fighting inside of ukraine. the rest of the frontier has been conscripts, ill trained and unmotivated and poorly armed. they found a weakness in the line. i think their initial attack was primarily a recognizance in force. they have a tank brigade and air assault brigade and now they've moved for troops in there and the russians have come apart. it is astonishing. and they don't seem to be able to react to it. so i think it is changed the narrative of the war. that the a big contribution. and i think putin are in a very untenable position in terms of the information war. >> in the past, when there has been success on the ukraine side, there has been rising

concerns that vladimir putin would go to more extreme measures to get his way. use a strategic nuke. is that a concern now? >> well, of course, if you're sitting at national security council and your president of the united states, you have to take all of these things into account. one thing is opining on something and sitting around a table with 15 people in the room trying to engage the unstable and somewhat desperate putin's line of thinking. but as a general statement, there is zero chance he'll go nuclear. it would be a disaster for russians. he's hitting ukraine with thousands of bombs each month, devastating the population. so it is not clear that he has any capacity to up the ante. he is desperate to win and it hasn't worked for him and this was a poke in the eye of significance. >> there has been some discussion about how to get to

peace between russia and ukraine. and whether that would involve or necessarily have to involve ukraine giving up some territory. with ukraine moving into russia and bringing fight to russia, does that make it more likely that ukraine can say to russia, hey, listen, we're not giving up any of our territory. we'll give you back your territory if we could find a way to end this war. >> personally, i don't think that is going to work. at the end of the day, the only thing will happen is when the russians have suffered so -- that is going after the bridge and crimea and em bare -- embarrassments to putin. we have to see the young men of russia say we're not going to serve. so i think this war has got a long way to go. but at the end of the day, zelenskyy is hardly going to ever say i agree to give up 20% of my country to a criminal

invasion by putin. so, there is no incentive on his part. i think we need to up the support for the ukrainians substantially in the coming months and take off some of the restrictions on their ability to do counter fire across -- i think that is the direction we have to go. >> so far the counter measures that ukraine have done, the incursion into russia, the u.s. said it is not violated any of the terms they've had with volodymyr zelenskyy in return forearms and military assets. general, thank you very much for joining us. >> and that is going to do it for me today. "deadline: white house" starts right this second. ♪♪ hi there, everyone. it is 4:00. and your governor tim walz just seconds ago finished