race card. >> if you're into equity and diversity and inclusion, you should not be allowed to go to aspen or martha's vineyard ever. you should be living next to section eight. >> these are the kind of tropes by people like tucker carlson who are trying to diminish our very existence as people. and to undermine the audacity that we might have to say we can lead. >> that was mayor litefoot's response. there's even more if you go to msnbc.com/ari. we have posted the entire almost hour-long discussion, and that's on our youtube playlist. you can connect with me at my name, arimelber.com. sign up for my email list and keep in touch. "the reidout" with joy reid is up next. tonight on "the reidout" --

♪♪ >> well, yeah, that really did not go well. trump's attempt to elbow kamala harris off of center stage with a live conversation with twitter destroying billionaire elon musk starts 40 minutes late and was full of lies and weirdness. middle eastern, trump remains mostly off the campaign trail, making you wonder if he's really try to win votes or he thinks his henchmen will just pull the levers and install him as president despite what voters decide. >> also tonight, a big step forward in the fight for reproductive rights, as two more states add the issue to their november ballot. including one critical battleground. >> plus, project 2025 exposed. the plot to roll back civil rights and force america back to the pre-civil rights era. but we begin tonight with

the utter desperation of a washed-up reality tv character looking to get back in the spotlight by any means necessary. for some reason, donald trump thought speaking with the most toxic figure in social media, elon musk, would be the solution. yeah, no. first of all, they couldn't even get musk's shoddy website to work for nearly an hour, which is embarrassing in and of itself. the same thing happened to ron desantis last year when he tried to launch his presidential campaign on x twitter. you think musk would have worked out the kinks since then. in fact, trump should have just called it quits while he was still ahead. instead, he continued with what amounted to two hours of slurring, meandering ranlts like this one. >> you know, in your business, everything you do is obsolete, not the tunnels, but everything is obsolete, even your rocket ships, they're like a month later, they're obsolete. the only thing that's not obsolete is a wall and a wheel.

the wall, i built hundreds of miles of wall. >> trump also claims something called nuclear warming was a bigger threat than climate change and his conversation with russian dictator vladimir putin about ukraine played out like a couple of valley girls. putin said, no way. and i said way. and that is a direct quote. and then there was the part where trump apparently declared his creepy crush on vice president kamala harris. >> i saw a picture of her on thyme thyme magazine today. she looks like the most beautiful actress ever to live. it was a drawing. and actually, she looked very much like a great first lady, melania. she looked -- she looked, didn't look like camilla, but she's a beautiful woman. so we'll leave it at that. >> no, seriously, that happened. and there was also trump's praise of musk for firing workers who were striking for better pay and working conditions. so much for fighting for the little guy. by the end of it, all he really

accomplished was providing fodder for harris' campaign which summed up whatever that was pretty succinctly, writing, trump's entire campaign is in service of people like elon musk and himself. self-obsessed rich guys who will sell out the middle class and who cannot run a livestream in the year 2024. harris has made that first point very clear in demonstrating the differences between the two candidates and who understands the struggles of the middle class and real workers. here is her most recent campaign ad. >> she grew up in a middle class home. she was the daughter of a working mom. and she worked at mcdonald's while she got her degree. kamala harris knows what it's like to be middle class. it's why she's determined to lower health care costs and make housing more affordable. donald trump has no plan to help the middle class. just more tax cuts for billionaires. being president is about who you fight for. and she's fighting for people

like you. >> and unlike harris who has been crisscrossing the country holding events in battleground states, trump has mainly stayed at his florida mansion, choosing to golf rather than campaign. if you didn't know any better, it would seem like trump doesn't even want to win the election. it is hard to believe because beyond his own ego, the stakes could not be higher for him with the real possibility that he could go to prison if he loses as a result of his numerous criminal trials. with his very freedom at stake, you would think he would want to run the best campaign anyone has ever seen. that is, unless he thinks he doesn't even have to actually win on november 5th to become president. as the guardian lays it out, it appears trump could once again attempt to try to steal the election if he loses, having learned from his 2020 failed endeavor and coming to the table better prepared this time. the guardian points out, the republican national committee's election litigation team is now

being led by christina bobb, an election denier who is now facing criminal charges for her efforts to overturn the 2020 race. the rnc claims it is recruiting an army of 100,000 poll observers who could provide significant disruption during voting and counting. but more significantly, the idea that the 2020 election was stolen has moved from the fringed to becoming a pillar of the republican party. and that brings us to the biggest threat, which is that many of these maga cult members have been able to obtain roles as county election officials who will have a role in certifying state election results. in a new report from the watchdog group citizens for responsibility and ethics in washington titled election certification under threat, they point out since 2020, more than 30 county officials across the country have voted to deny or delay certifying election results in violation of law.

often citing false claims of voter fraud or irregularities. among those, officials are avow -- officials are avowed 2020 election deniers, individuals who acted as fake presidential electors for donald trump, and a criminally convicted participant in the january 6th insurrection, who was later removed from office. and in the swing states of arizona, georgia, michigan, nevada, north carolina, and pennsylvania, rolling stone magazine and the independent journalist at a substack called american doom identified nearly 70 pro-trump election conspiracists currently working as county election officials. who have questioned the validity of elections or delayed or refused to certify results. perhaps all of this explains why trump doesn't appear to be taking this campaign too seriously. because when you're a spoiled rich boy who has been handed everything he's ever had in life, why work hard when you can

have your henchmen just hand you the election? joining me now is latosha brown, cofounder of the black voters matter fund. and founder of the southern black girls and women's consortium. michael steele, former rnc chair and cohost of the weekend on msnbc. and noah bookbinder, president of crew, citizens for responsibility and ethics in washington. i'm going to come to you first, noah, at the table. you know, i say all this to say that all of the metrics do look like, including the data that kamala harris is currently winning this election or at least she is in a good position to win the election. and yet, there is a very real threat that she could win and donald trump and his people could prevent her from becoming president. here's the evidence that he might think that too. here's donald trump many times saying we don't need votes. >> i tell my team people, i don't need any votes. >> we don't need votes. >> we don't need votes.

we have more votes than anybody has ever had. >> you don't have to vote, don't worry about voting. we have plenty of votes. >> and again, christians, get out and vote. just this time. you won't have to do it anymore, four more years, you know what, it will be fixed. it will be fine. you won't have to vote anymore, my beautiful christians. >> why would you say that if you plan to win the election through voting? >> well, look, we know that four years ago, donald trump tried to keep himself in power despite losing the election. we know he's never disavowed what he did then. and we know now that county officials are going to try to avoid certifying the election. we have now in the report we just put out, we documented more than 30 of them who are in place now who have previously failed to certify elections. these were elections in 2022,

2023, often not particularly consequential elections. they were doing it as a run-through before the real event, which is this fall. >> walk us through how this would work? let's say, because these would be elections probably in republican leaning counties that trump would probably win. they say i'm not certifying. let's say an election official in georgia says i'm not certifying because trump loses georgia. could they stop the entire state from certifying? >> you have a set of deadlines where counties need to certify by a certain date. then the state needs to certify be a certain date and there's a date where the electoral college needs to vote and congress needs to vote. once you start pushing those back, if fulton county and other counties are not certifying, then it gets to usually first the secretary of state and eventually the governor who has a deadline to certify the state's votes, but they may not have final tallies from the counties. and that could cause a pile-up of the whole system. it's not entirely clear what that looks like but it certainly

would give an opening for congress to do things that, you know, we may not want them doing other than merely counting the votes that actually went through. >> or it ends up in court. we end up with litigation. let's say georgia ends up in huge litigation and somehow or other, nobody gets 270 because one state can't get their votes in in time. that then goes to the house of representatives. republicans control 26 states, democrats control 23. they vote 26-23 and make trump the president. kamala harris could win by 12 million votes and it wouldn't matter. congress would just decide. the other option is it goes to the supreme court, and we know what john roberts will do. he and his five friends will make donald trump the president. six people could make trump president or 26 congress members or 26 states. >> the good news is that what these county officials are likely to try to do is clearly illegal. and every one of these states have mechanisms to stop that from happening.

and actually a lot of states like michigan have officials who are getting out there, the secretary of state of michigan has sent letters to these county officials saying you can't do this. if you do it, there will be consequences. the worrisome part is in a place like georgia, you have the state election board seeming to encourage this kind of activity, even though it's against the law. >> let me go to you on this. you are in the work and doing the hard work of getting people out to vote. and yet, your state, the state of georgia, has put in place mechanisms for republican state officials to mess with fulton county. to go in and say, we don't like that fulton county voted majority democrat. we're going to actually decertify it or something close to it. how much of a risk, you know, is your organization and are other organizations that are in the voting business of getting people the right to vote, how concerned are you that a state like georgia could do that? >> we're very concerned. we have been talking about this and beating the drum continuously since the 2020

election. and we even saw it start earlier. it's been accelerated. i think there's a strategy that trump has for the election. three things. he seeks to disenfranchise, disrupt, and literally really disarm, disarm those of us that are doing work on the ground under the veil this is legal, that even when you look at the board of elections in georgia, there are three maga republicans that sit on that elections board. so this is the state, mind you, this is a state he wanted to find 11,000 votes. we continue to see this effort to really undermine the process. the reason why he's not campaigning, i think the reason why he's not saying he needs votes is because he believes he can take it. he can take it by discrediting the process, disenfranchising people and being disruptive. >> michael steele, we saw how that worked out in venezuela. when people literally are in the streets because they had an election literally stolen from them. and if people think that the american people, let's say vice

president harris and tim walz win by a huge margin and everyone is going to know that. and then the republicans decide they're going to just take it anyway, we're talking about real, and then of course, donald trump thinks he'll use the military to stop it. i wanted to show you the other strategy. one of them also is just this, and it's pretty ugly. this is not the official trump campaign, but this is their trump war room. this is a post they put up. on the left is a stock photo, our great producer looked this up using google search images. the one on the right is an image of some migrants who are having some issues coming in through new york. they're trying to literally terrify white voters to be blunt and say somehow because kamala harris is who kamala harris is, that she is trying to open the door to hordes of this is a sort of steve bannon-esque strategy. they're trying racism. but if they have to, they'll just try theft. >> well, okay, so you put a lot

on the table for me to unpack real quick, because i just want to touch on what you were talking about before. because both noah and latosha have it so spot on. i cannot tell you how important those two pieces of this conversation are. folks, you have to understand what's happening, when the rnc announces we have 100,000 volunteers, y'all got to know what's up on the street. latosha knows what's up. she knows where the intimidation is going to come in black and brown communities and places like georgia, detroit, philadelphia, right? so we already know what that playbook is going to look like. you have two pillars here. two essential pillars to what is happening, going to happen this fall and potentially next year. the first, you have been knocking out of the park. project 2025. that's the federal play that shows you what america is going to look like when we take control of the federal government. the near term project is what we're talking about right now. state and local operations

around voting. and that's the play right now, why trump and others are not that concerned, because they got their embedded. they have their people. everyone is sleeping on folks winning these down ballot, down down ballot elections. folks like latosha weren't because they knew what was coming. please listen to what they tell you when they say you have to pay taeng here. final point to your question, the fact of the matter is, just as we saw with caravans coming across the border, hey, white suburban women, you know they're going to build section eight housing in your neighborhood. that was 2020. now, it's showing stock photos of lily white neighborhoods, like you said, put it like it is because that's the implication here. right? safe american flag on the front porch, fine brick fronts, versus the other image of what kamala's america looks like. that is the race play. that stokes that hard, angry,

disaffected white base that is maga, that is proud boys, that is neonaziism. and gets them ready to come out in whatever form. this is one of those, you know, be mindful, folks. pay attention to what's coming down the road at the ballot box. and so i really think these three pieces come together in a way that where everybody is excited about what's happening with kamala and the campaign clearly has changed, joy. but the fundamentals, the infrastructure is what you need to focus on now. because that's where the race is going to be won or lost. >> you have in ohio, the ohio secretary of state purged nearly 160,000 people from the state's voter rolls. in wyoming, a state not even in play, they voided 28% of their voter registrations in a mandatory purge. in georgia, georgia elections board has this new inquiry for certifying election results. there's a website the naacp in

the state says you have 20 days to take this down because people could mass delete people from the voter rolls. this is what we're up against. >> i think the key is knowing what the law is and being out there and vigilantly enforcing it. and so you can see in issues like county election certification, there's not actually any doubt as to what you can and can't do. you need people who are willing to go out in advance and say you can't do this and back that up. >> i'm going to give you the last word on this, to the vote, which is a notorious group that tries to intimidate voters. they're sort of leading the charge to try to scare people and push people off voter rolls, et cetera. isn't the real answer to this a massive win? right? like it's got to be huge turnout? >> it has to be. we have to send a message loud and clear. there has to be a huge win around democracy that we're fighting, that democrat is on the ballot. women's right to choose is on the ballot.

our reproductive health is on the ballot. the future of this nation is on the ballot. we need to make sure there's a convincing win that sends a message loud can clear this will not be tolerated. >> it's hard to steal an election that is not close. >> overwhelm the vote. >> if it's close, it's -- something funny is going to happen. the reality is don't let it be close. latosha brown, thank you so much. much appreciated. michael steele, former rnc chair, noah bookbinder, thank you all very much. up next, several of the officers who put their lives on the line on january 6th are hitting the road for vice president kamala harris. one of them, harry dunn, joins me next. missing out on the things you love because of asthma? get back to better breathing with fasenra, an add-on treatment for eosinophilic asthma that is taken once every 8 weeks. fasenra is not for sudden breathing problems or other eosinophilic conditions. allergic reactions may occur. don't stop your asthma treatments without talking with your doctor. tell your doctor if your asthma worsens.

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have you noticed recently that so many maga folks have signs on their lawns or are wearing t-shirts to rallies that say both i'm voting for the district convicted felon, and back the blue? it really is one of the republican party's greatest ironies. meanwhile, actual police officers who risked their lives to protect american democracy from a vile want mob of trump supporters are hitting the road to campaign for vice president kamala harris and governor tim walz. former capitol police officer harry dunn, former sergeant aquilino gonell, and daniel hodges, all of whom defending the capitol during the january 6th insurrection, will be traveling to key swing states to show their support for the harris/walz ticket.

and to underscore what they call the urgent and immediate threat that trump poses to democracy. joining me now is one of those former officers, harry dunn. how are you, my friend? good to see you always. >> always good to see you. >> talk about this tour. what prompted you to do it? why is it important? >> it's a continuation of public service. i was a police officer for over 15 years. i thought i was going to spend the rest of my working adult life as a police officer. but january 6th changed that. donald trump stripped that from me. donald trump and his supporters who attacked us. and now i'm on this new journey right now, and my main focus is to stop donald trump and to do whatever it takes. so i'm truly honored to be out there on the campaign trail for vice president harris. she's going to be a fantastic president. i just couldn't be more honored to be out there. especially, especially when it's against donald trump. like, one of the -- i blame him for january 6th. if january 6th didn't happen, nobody would know who i am. i would still be doing my job as

a police officer. daniel hodges said it while we were out there in michigan. the goal is for us to be irrelevant. we're not because donald trump is still and his supporters are still spewing lies about january 6th. and until they stop, you're going to continue to see our faces out there. >> and you know, you're in a special position here because you were a capitol police officer at the time that now vice president harris was a senator. did you get to know her? tidyou get to interact with her? >> several occasions. she would always stop and talk with us, her being a prosecutor. she's pro lof enforcement. she would stop and be friendly with us, give us a friendly smile, a friendly wave. like i said, i consider her, she knows who i am. it's not like, what's that guy's name. she knows who i am from our days at the capitol together. she was a friendly face at the capitol. which is welcomed because especially on capitol hill, everybody walks around with their nose up in the clouds. >> they don't talk to folks.

>> she is one of the sweetest people. what you see with her is what you get. >> what do you think when you see somebody have a sign that says back the blue, but then they also have a sign saying i'm voting for the felon. as a former police officer, what do you think? >> how does that work? >> i don't know. >> when you're trying to figure it out, i am too. this guy is a 34-time convicted felon, but it couldn't be more story bookish he's running against a prosecutor. how fitting is that, that a prosecutor is going to be the one that gets to knock him out of the election? >> why do you think so many law enforcement, people who have law enforcement backgrounds, tend to support republicans, they tend to be republicans, and donald trump is saying things like, full immunity, no matter what you do, if you even kill or hurt or maim somebody as a law enforcement officer, complete immunity for all. is that the reason they support him? >> people that -- the good police officers, the ones that joined for the right reason, i had the opportunity, i met with

some police leaders when i was in michigan last week. the sheriff up in kalamazoo, and the people that have become police officers, they do it for the right reason, they understand that there's no way you support donald trump because he's only about himself. people that actually are supporting kamala harris understand that that party, the democratic party, they say the republicans say back the blue. but democrats actually vote to support the blue. if you look at the house, the bills they have passed, republicans actually voted to defund the police. and it's convenient that they're the ones that aren't supporting donald trump, not supporting donald trump, but holding him accountable, the fbi, the department of justice, they're holding donald trump accountable, so of course, they're not going to support them because donald trump is only about himself. >> when donald trump talks about law enforcement, he tends to focus on absolving the officers, i have law enforcement folks in my world, in my family too. they don't want to be associated

with the bad cops that kill people. yet donald trump seems to only talk about law enforcement in bigging up the law enforcement that kill people. >> that's what's really problematic. you know, the whole thing about how that started, defund the police and everything like that. people just want police officers held accountable when they mess up. plain and simple. you know, we support police. i think the messaing is police need to be put in the best position for them to be successful. and we need to give -- we meaning congress and stuff like that, need to put the funding there so they are able to do their job. and politics engraining itself in police is problematic. you know, they want to say that police shouldn't be political. well, police organizations shouldn't be endorsing political candidates. if you don't want to be seen political, don't endorse political candidates. stay neutral and do your job. but it seems like we're not in that era anymore. if you look, the fop, fraternal order of police the last two

times donald trump ran, they endorsed him for president. yeah, a lot of people on the right definitely in the police community support donald trump. and it's kind of ironic that he's a felon and, you know, got police unions supporting him. >> well, you all that defended the capitol did exactly what we want police officers to do. you defended the people that you were being paid to defend and that you took an oath to defend. >> republicans and democrats. >> republicans and democrats alike. you all were brave. you ran toward the danger. you stayed in the danger. you didn't do like those uvalde officers. you are heroes, and thank you. i'm sure that the vice president is proud to have you along for the ride. harry dunn, thank you, my friend. up next, as of today, abortion rights will now be on the ballot in eight states this november. stay with us.

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but it's under siege from big out-of-state media companies and hedge funds. now, california legislators are considering a bill that could make things even worse by subsidizing national and global media corporations

while reducing the web traffic local papers rely on. so tell lawmakers, support local journalism, not well connected media companies. oppose ab 886. paid for by ccia. arizona and missouri voters will get to decide in november whether to enshrine the right to an abortion in their state constitutions. the ballot measure in arizona could strongly influence voter turnout in a battleground state crucial to the presidential election and to control of the senate. and where organizers shattered the record for the number of valid signatures gathered for a ballot initiative in the state. in biz biz, their initiative would amend the state's constitution to establish a right to make decisions about reproductive health care, which would end the near total abortion ban currently in place. arizona and missouri join six

other states with measures to establish or protect abortion rights already on the november ballot. including florida. organizers in arkansas, montana, and nebraska have also submitted signatures for similar ballot measures. joining me now is arizona secretary of state adrian fontes and michelle goldberg, columnist for "the new york times." secretary, last night, your measure went on the ballot. this record you all shattered, by how much? because you had a lot of people sign up for that petition. >> first, thanks for having me, and i'll tell you, it is unprecedented. in fact, the last record for the number of signatures submitted was 500,000. this one actually had 577,000 valid signatures, and that was with a 24-plus percent invalid rate. they had turned in over 800,000 signatures. at that number amounted to

almost 1 in 5 arizona voters. right now, it's 1 in 7 ballot signatures. it is a big deal. and the state of arizona wants this on the ballot. >> and we know that republicans in the state have been very much against it. they had sort of a prayer vigil to stop it and keep the civil war era law on the books in your state. how passionate is the opposition, the other side, the women and men, i'm assuming, who want this law overturned? obviously, the petition says it's pretty passionate. >> well, the folks who are in favor of prop 139, which is the assigned number here in arizona, the folks in favor of it have been working really hard for a very, very long time. we have never seen anything like this in arizona. these are folks who are retired, we had teachered, volunteers, we had literally thousands upon thousands of different people out there collecting petition signatures. and at grocery stores and communities, door to door. it was an unprecedented number

of people supporting this. and the numbers bear that out. so the folks that might be opposed to prop 139, they're going to have a tough political hill to climb. but i'll let somebody else comment on the politics. >> i totally understand. i heard you on with katy tur earlier in the day. you were commenting on the fact as secretary of state, you kind of have a high view of it. you can see it from 30 feet up. you're talking about not just democrats. this is not just democrats are for this proposition and republicans are against it. the people who want this 1860s era law overturned span the political parties, yeah? >> well, one of the things i think people forget, in arizona, it was the goldwater family who started planned parenthood in the grand canyon state. this is a mind your own damn business sort of issue as far as some people have categorized it. and i think that's really reflective of the independent spirit of the state.

remember, our state-wide voter registration rolls only show 28% of the electorate registered as democrats. so it was a lot of independents, a lot of republicans. and lots of probably libertarians, greens, no label parties, the whole kit 'n' kaboodle was in on this one and they'll be able to vote on prop 139 this fall. >> michelle, i think that kind of is the point. this is one of those issues that really does cross political party lines. and it's because of the stories we're hearing. we're talking about texas women who filed a federal complaint after the state refused to provide an abortion with an ectopic pregnancy, something that can kill you if you don't get it treated. pregnant, more than 100 pregnant women in emergency distress were turned away or negligently treated since 2022, since dobbs. you have got, you know, in missouri, they had to withdraw a bill that would allow murder charges for people who get abortions. the senate voted against in missouri, allowing abortion in cases of rape and incest.

they did that in february. you could go on and on, and yet abortions in the country have increased since dobbs. most abortions are now medication abortions. these bans impact women of color, people below 200% of the poverty line. they're hurting maternal health. that ain't partisan. it's women and men who are outraged. >> right, and i should actually say, full disclosure, my mom was one of the retirees in arizona collecting signatures for this ballot initiative. but yeah, you're absolutely right. the thing is, if republicans -- if republicans in power wanted to make their abortion bans less radioactive, they have been given a lot of opportunities to do that. as you said, in missouri, they could have voted for these very narrow exceptions, exceptions that let's be honest, in practice are often meaningless because it's very difficult, most people are not going to have a police report for an incest related pregnancy in order to get one legally.

but even these very narrow exceptions, you know, even these -- you see republicans fighting federal guidelines saying that emergency rooms can't turn women away the way we see them doing all over the country. you see these horror stories and an absolute refusal to address these kind of medical and human catastrophes in the law. and so of course, the voters and the women in these states and the people who love women in these states are going to take it into their own hand. >> how powerful, you know, is this issue proving to be in a partisan sense, michelle? because what's happening is that republicans in the states are opposing getting rid of these abortion bans or they want stronger abortion bans. and the voters cross party lines, but the parties are being very much defined by this issue and the threat of a national abortion ban on top of it. >> it's clearly been a very difficult issue for republicans.

it's why donald trump in his press conference wouldn't say how he's voting for the initiative in florida. which has caused some angst among anti-abortion voters because for them that should be sort of a slam dunk. it's an issue that splits the party, which is why donald trump has tried to navigate it and tried to run away from what he's done with the dobbs decision. what we don't know yet is whether support for these ballot -- the degree to which support for these ballot initiatives translates into support for democrats. because as you said, this is something that does cut across party lines. you see that when voters are given an up and down choice, do you want abortion to be legal, large majorities again and again and again, even in the reddest states, will say yes, we do. that doesn't mean they necessarily are going to vote for pro-choice politicians over anti-abortion ones. >> absolutely. we are out of time. arizona secretary of state

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. inharris administration for example, handed out farm benefits to people based on skin color. i think that's disgraceful. i don't think we should say you get farm benefits if you're a black farmer. all farmers, we want to thrive. >> that's donald trump's running mate trying to tell us that he doesn't see color. except those black farmers he's complaining about don't have that luxury. for like a century, black farmers have been blocked by accessing subsidies and other programs that have been a lifeline for white farmers. yd vance is lying to you when he says white farmers don't get benefits. under trump, just .1, .1% or $20 million of pandemic relief funding went to black farmers. the rest of the $26 billion went to white farmers. the racial disparity was so egregious that just two weeks ago, the biden administration did indeed begin distributing $2

billion to thousands of black farmers who had previously win denied. republicans like vance and trump adviser stephen miller who is connected to project 2025, have made it a point to block these disbursements. in project 2025, folks like miller, vance, and trump want to nationalize their long-term goal of putting a stop to what they call anti-white racism. which is just another way of saying we're sick of america being held accountable for actual racism. under project 2025, the department of justice would play the central role in executing their national policy of reversing racial progress. they would force the doj's civil rights division, which is responsible for enforcing federal statutes that prohibit discrimination based on race, color or religion or sex, or disability to refocus, moving away from what they call affirmative discrimination and insure, quote, lawfulness, which essentially means protecting the

people who have had access and opportunity all along. joining me is michael harriet, columnist for the grillo and host of the grillo daily podcast and someone who has read the whole project 2025. talk to us about this idea of reversing the federal civil rights administration to serve the people who have always been served in america. >> yeah, so one of the things that project 2025 wants to do, and i want to be clear about it because not only did i read the entire project 2025, i read agenda 47 and pointed out project 2025 is essentially an instruction manual for agenda 47. so both things reflect these issues. and what theythings affect of t issue and what they want to do is remove the civil rights division of every federal department. the department of housing and

urban development. the department of education. what they want to do is eliminate these and refocus on basically antiwhite, anti- christian, and that is the important part, anti-christian discrimination. if employers allow their employees to have insurance that allows them access to abortion or reproductive healthcare. that is discrimination against christians under project 2025 and there is a whole litany of anti-lgbtq, and ty blach, everything but white christians sprinkled throughout project 2025. >> the idea basically is that the federal government's role which has been corrective in the 20th century, trying to shore up the rights of black folks, brown folks, women, they are saying no, that's wrong.

we have to go back to having the federal governor -- government serve only white christians were to give them preferential treatment. >> the interesting thing is, first of all, there really aren't that many race specific programs in america. so what they want to do essentially is continue the discrimination not just remain stagnant, but continue the discrimination and erase any progress. they want to not stop the fixing of the problem, right? they want to revert back to the era when we ignored the problem and that is a lot of what is contained in project 2025. there is a section on the department of defense that talks about the military and says it wants the military to stop essentially being woke and it uses those words and reflect the demographics of the country in 1974. if you did not know this, there is this white ring conspiracy

that the military is getting nonwhite. that there are too many hispanic officers. when they say pre-1974 demographics what they are talking about is when the military was white. so they use those kinds of old words and you kind of have to decipher this propaganda, because they have right-wing propagandists who wrote this basically white manifesto. >> let's play j.d. vance who is on the side of all this and here he is talking about double rights act. >> if you understand what the civil rights act was aiming to do, and then what it did and you compare them, it is kind of insane. when you actually just put it. when i realized this, the light bulb went off. the united states passed a law

that said you are not allowed to discriminate against people based on the color of their skin and the bureaucracy that was set up to enforce that law has forced private and public sector entities to discriminate against people based on the color of their skin. >> for j.d. vance to fix that, project 2025 would remove terms like diversity, equity, and inclusion from all projects and from snap and student loan forgiveness and increase monthly payments. and the program that requires federal contractors to comply with anti-demonstration laws. no more grants and loans to minority owned businesses of color. overhaul public housing and force work requirements. enforce the death penalty more vigorously. terminate unnecessary consent decrees, meaning police agencies found disproportionately to kill people of color. thoughts? >> right and the most

interesting thing about it is they want to eliminate this idea called the disparate impact. which means you don't have to intentionally mean to discriminate. the impact of the policy is what determines the racism. they want to eliminate that and they have the stuff sprinkled through project 2025 that intentionally targets everybody who is not white and not christian. >> there you go. michael harriot, my friend, thank you very much. we will be right back. discover the power of wegovy®. ♪ ♪ with wegovy®, i lost 35 pounds. and some lost over 46 pounds. ♪ ♪ and i'm keeping the weight off. wegovy® helps you lose weight and keep it off. i'm reducing my risk. wegovy® is the only fda-approved weight-management medicine

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