of the convention. >> shaq bruster, shaq, thank you very much. again, the dnc starts on monday. that's going to do it for me today. "deadline white house" starts right now. hi there, everyone. it's 4:00 in the east. call it a victory lap or a love fest, a palate cleanser. after donald trump's grievance filled quote-unquote economic address yesterday, but today was president joe biden and vice president kamala harris who were seen bounding onto a stage in maryland for their first joint appearance since president joe biden dropped out of the race and endorsed his number 2, vice president kamala harris. they were there to tout what is being billed as, quote, a crowning achievement of the biden administration after years of battling with the pharmaceutical industry. it is the culmination of a yearlong effort to negotiate with pharmaceutical companies over some of the priciest drugs

used by older americans and has resulted in about $6 billion in initial savings. and as you listen into the president and vice president, it's worth remembering that 24 hours ago over on earth 2 trump described president biden as very angry -- a very angry man who vice president harris, quote, wants nothing to do with. watch reality. >> and of course i can speak all afternoon about the person i am standing on this stage with. [ cheers and applause ]

our extraordinary president, joe biden! and he's going to speak in a minute, but there's a lot of love in this room for our president. and i think it's for many, many reasons including few leaders in our nation have done more on so many issues including expand access to affordable care act like joe biden. and today we take the next step -- thank you, joe --

forward in our fight. [ chanting "thank you joe" ] >> thank you, kamala. i love you guys, too. i've been waiting for this moment for a long, long time. first time i sponsored a bill and let medicare negotiate the price of drugs was in 1973 as a freshman senator with a guy named frank church from the state of idaho. folks, i have an incredible partner. the progress we've made, she's going to make one hell of a president. >> and make no mistake, today's achievement by the biden administration and this joint appearance we just showed you here today is a perfect political storm that will haunt donald trump's dreams tonight,

not just the palpable energy and enthusiasm and connection between the president and vice president and the audience, not just the massive crowds and the lines of hundreds of people who waited hours to get into that event, it is also today's crowning achievement by the biden administration saves americans real money on something that causes then genuine anxiety, their prescription drugs. and in doing so, punches another hole in donald trump's apocalyptic vision of life in america today. it is the latest proof point that donald trump's old play book, entire talking points is failing him this time as the pillars of trump's dystopian vision of america continue to crumble one by one, beating the drum on inflation and skyrocketing drug prices may be trump's go' to message. but with yesterday's news on inflation and now today's news on this landmark prescription drug deal, it's getting harder and harder by the day and by the

hour to sell that message to more americans. it's where we start today with some of our favorite reporters and friends. nbc news washington correspondent yamiche alcindor is here. and "the new york times" editorial board member and nbc political analyst mara gay is here as well. yamiche, i had no doubt that the enthusiasm would envelope president joe biden in the same way it's enveloped vice president kamala harris. but i wasn't sure we'd see it in a setting like this until next week at the convention, but today happened. tell me about this event. >> well, this event was really both president biden and vice president coming out really as a united force. there's been a lot of sort of talk about whether or not president biden was sad, the fact he was publicly pushed off the ticket by his own party. but here you have two people whose legacies are linked forever, and you have in vice president harris someone who's seen as very, very loyal by president biden.

the body language there, the sort of conversations that they're having, the real support you see them both giving each other on that stage, it really underscores the reporting i've had, which is she has deep respect for him. she was not part of the people who tried to push him off throughout all the weeks as all the sort of conversation was happening about whether or not he should drop from the ticket, she was steadfast in her defense of him publicly and privately. and here they are together. it's an official event, official white house event, it's sort of what you and me and reporters would point out. it's explaining here's what we died for you as a team, america. and here's how we'll continue to do this if vice president harris is given a seat at the white house and elected the first woman president of this country. this was really i think a moment where you saw them put on display the teamwork that got them to this moment, the fact that she was endorsed by him and endorsed not sort of in a begrudging way but in a way of

saying, okay, i can't do this anymore but i hand this off to you with love and with support. that's what we saw today. and i think the vice president is going to continue to talk about how she respects him. there may be policy differences, but fundamentally this is someone she understands has really helped her grow as a politician and put her in a place where she can be the first black woman, the first indian american woman to be at the top of a major party ticket. >> yamiche, everything you're saying comes through in obviously the fact they're there together. but it's little things. it's little -- when the crowd starts spontaneously chanting "thank you joe," it happened a couple times. she steps back from the podium to let that sound grow, to let it play out organically, to make sure it sort of lasts, it's sort of natural, sort of organic way and to make sure he feels all that love. can she underscore that, there's

a lot of love in this room for you. just a really graceful hand-off of power between these two. >> it was certainly a graceful hand-off. and i think when you're pointing out there the fact that the democrats and the voters and the people that were in that room, they understand the role that president biden is continuing to play in this party, the fact that he's continuing to go out and say i'm going to stand next to this woman, that also shows you that he is sort of being bigger than any sort of sadness that he might feel. because in talking to people that are close to him, i was interviewing jim clyburn, there is of course is a little bit of sadness there as anyone would feel sad if you were someone who thought you were going to be the party nominee and your party pushed back and said we don't want you anymore. that's what happened to joe biden. that's a tough thing to weather. but the fact he had this moment where people could chant his name. and i heard during the reporting people were telling me if he drops out, if he endorses harris, the party will still

embrace him and still love him. i didn't know what that would look like because that's never happened before. to see that play out and see that realized and see the president have this moment and see the vice president step back and let him have this moment, let him feel the love, let the crowd embrace him, that also tells you she respects him and respects that crowd wanting to give him his flowers right now. i think you're going to see more of this at the dnc. i don't know it's going to be the entire week, because of course the party has made a turn. monday, tuesday, you're going to see that biden love fest, and then they're going to turn and see there's a new generation. and that's when you're going to see we just confirmed the second gentleman is going to be speaking on that tuesday night. we know the vice president is going to be speaking on thursday. so there's a slate of people that are going to be speaking, but i think the dnc is going to feel like that first few days in that moment you just pointed out, nicole. >> and it all i think flows narratively. i think this joke, i want to play this for you, mara gay.

the president joking about his age now, turning himself into his own punch line and his own jokes. >> i served in the senate for 270 years. i know i look 40, but i'm a little bit older. for the longest time i was too damn young because i was like 29 when i got elected. now i'm too damn old. >> i mean this is going to bring the house down if these are sort of jokes that are a preview of how he sees his own political story. if this is sort of the frame he puts around it next week, mara. >> well, we've been talking a lot about joy and about how this is movement that's larger than, you know, any one person or candidate. i can't help but think about the contrast between the republicans coalescing around donald trump in spite of everything that they

know and have even said about the man. someone who said, you know, i alone can fix it. someone who is leading a movement that is cult-like in many ways. and then you contrast that with this almost familial experience democrats are playing out for us right now where you see joe biden being extraordinarily magnanimous, and you see that reaction not only from vice president harris but from the crowd. this is a party that's united, and that's because it's about more than one person. it's about the american people. it's about democracy. it's a movement. and i think today they were on message. and, you know, the lack of drama in the democratic party is a real problem for donald trump because the democratic agenda and the agenda that this white house has pushed through is extremely popular. and not only that, but it's wins

like that today on prescription drugs that are going to bring seniors to the polls, too. and it's going to get a lot more attention than it was when the republicans were driving a narrative around joe biden's age. you know, he's turned that on its head. and of course, there's also just the element of we all know just as humans in life if you want to discharge discomfort, you just make fun of yourself. it's okay to laugh at yourself, something donald trump is incapable of doing. and that, of course, makes him seem a little strange, which has been widely discussed. so i just think there's a lot of humanity on that ticket. there's a lot of humanity and inexcitement in the room, and it feels like a party where people want to be. you know, you want to go to that party. you want to step inside and be part of that room. you want to sit at that dining room table. it's such a contrast from the anger and vitriol and cult-like leadership we're seeing right

now in the republican party. >> it's such a good point. and to that point as a political messenger, president joe biden went there on project 2025. let me show that to you, mara gay. >> you may have heard about the maga republican project 2025 plan. they want to repeal medicare's power to negotiate drug prices, let big pharma charge them whatever they want. let me tell you what our project 2025 is -- beat the hell out of them. >> all of his pitches were absolutely landing today, mara gay. i mean this is the accomplishment. this is the thing that ameliorates any ability that donald trump has to argue he'd be better on the cost of prescription drugs. and then this is the attack, the political attack about what the

republican policy program really is in project 2025. >> well, there's no escaping 2025 for donald trump at this point. the other thing we saw from joe biden today was he looked so much more relaxed, which we all know that, you know, many of us perform better when you're understand less pressure. and it's interesting because, of course, you know, we're reminded today that kamala harris is going to have many powerful surrogates including the president of the united states. it's a unique situation, and there are voters who are joe biden voters. and so i think this is going to be important. it'll be interesting to see in the weeks ahead after the dnc next week. and, you know, i think this is exactly the kind of event that democrats are looking for ahead of next. >> all right, let's turn to politics. yamiche, let me show you some of what long-time pollster frank

lundz is hearing from his focus participants. >> what has vice president harris said or done that have turned you into a harris supporter at least at this moment when you weren't supporting joe biden 14 days ago? eric, i'm going to start with you. >> for me it's more of an issue with donald trump and the options that are now available. >> primarily because of the lack of respect coming from one side of the republican party. i do believe that the far-right has taken over. >> based on, you know, her -- her presence, her intelligence, and even if i don't agree with all her policy, i trust she'll have good judgment. >> i actually was a trump voter in '16 and '20. and it was despite his personality and a lot of the extra issues. however, when he chose j.d.

vance, it kind of pushed me over to having an open mind. >> i don't want to be taken over by christian nationalists with project 2025. the debate was a disaster, and the rnc looked like a wrestling match. >> it's just amazing how savvy and how much attention voters are paying. some of it is the calender, yamiche. we're getting closer to a general election if you've been paying attention all four intervening years. some of it is the drama. it's been an extraordinarily dramatic summer, and a lot of it is vice president kamala harris. and she deserves the credit. and this hand-off that we've been talking about is just something so extraordinary in american politics. i would pause at unpres dependent. >> it's interesting because mara was talking about the fact there's no drama in the

democratic party now. it's such a smart point to make because there was so much drama the last few months. you couldn't look away. i had family members and voters that i know in florida who don't cover politics, who aren't that interested who were like, wait, is joe biden about to drop out? like that's something that captured people's attention. and then you had vice president harris really step into this role and become first a crisis manager for her party when she was defending him and immediately was sort of coming up with talking points on site without any really help from other people. and then when she was officially passed the baton here, she built on that enthusiasm and really leaned into it. and when she had, of course, her running mate, tim walz, talking about joy but also talking about the other side being weird, you really saw a sort of democratic machine taking form here. and i think it really has in some ways really worked to the democrats benefit especially because you have on the other side republicans including trump

advisers telling our colleagues at nbc, they really want him to focus on policy. they don't want him to be talking about her race and saying she turned black or calling her stupid, but he can't help himself. donald trump is someone i've covered for years now. he can't help himself. he's going to run the race he wants to run, and he thinks this is going to work for him. and he's going to continue to do that because that's just who he is. it's going to be interesting to see whether those double haters whether we talk about them anymore. for a big part of this election i thought it was going to be the double haters going to be what decides this election. now the double haters saying we have one person we don't hate that much anymore, and i'm going to check her out. or if not, i'm going to join her altogether. >> it's such an interesting point. and as you're talking about his ability, yamiche, to not sort of send personal insults, i'm thinking the entire time he was president we covered it. you wake up and look at your

phone to see if he's tweeted about you that day. i'm sure we all had our day -- he called me a dog. i don't know what he called either of you if he attacked you by name, but to see voters responding to something else is sort of an extraordinary reminder that even if he regroups with his, you know, original band of advisers, he doesn't have a lot of political skills to turn to. he only has the insults and the politics of personal insult. yamiche alcindor, mara gay, thank you so much for starting us off on this today. it's great to talk to both of you. when we come back, michigan governor gretchen whitmer is here. she joins the program, one of the democratic party's biggest stars and the governor of a must-win swing state on how to take on donald trump. plus, new signs that the harris campaign has reset the race for some critical parts of the democratic coalition like

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one is a prosecutor, the other is a convicted felon. one a vice president who believes in reproductive freedom, or the guy who stacked the court with the people who ripped away roe. we're not going back, right? say it with me. we're not going back. when we, michigan, elect kamala harris and tim walz, we can wake up on november 6th, the day after the election, and say for the first time, madam president! >> michigan governor gretchen whitmer at a harris-walz rally in her home state firing up the crowd and laying out the, oh, so sharp contrast between vice president kamala harris and donald trump. it's no surprise that governor whitmer is so effective at making the case against trump.

she's had to deal with him plenty like during the covid-19 pandemic when she called him out for leaving states like hers to fend for themselves. and he responded by disparagingly referring to her as, quote, that woman from michigan. or as she puts it in her fantastic new book "true grech," quote, politics can feel like blood sport these days. luckily we whitmers have a thick skin and short memory. we're good at turning insults into humor and quick to laugh at ourselves and that's the way to disarm bullies. you can trust me on this or i'm not that woman from michigan. joining us in our conversation the aforementioned governor gretchen whitmer is here. thank you so much for being here. >> hi, nicolle. i'm glad to be with you. >> there's so much political news to get to, but i want to start with the book. it's -- it's different for a political memoir. it's your sort of signature

realness, and i want to just dive right in. i'm going to read from -- from this incredibly powerful section. you write in 2013 i was serving as michigan's senate minority leader. that year the republicans tried to push through a bill requiring women in michigan to buy extra health insurance for abortion coverage even in cases of rape or incest. my staff and i prepared a speech for me to give on the senate floor. i delivered my remarks as deliberately and forcefully as possible, letting my anger show. in the back of my mind, though, my thoughts were spinning. for 23 years i had pushed down the awful memory of what happened to me in college. i never in my life imagined talking about it in a public forum, yet suddenly in the course of one short speech with tv cameras rolling, i had to decide whether to reveal my deepest secret to the world. once it was out, there was no turning back. let me play that moment for

everyone, too. >> i've shared with many people in my life, but over 20 years ago i was a victim of rape. and thank god it didn't result in a pregnancy because i can't imagine going through what i went through and then having to consider what to do about an unwanted pregnancy from an attacker. and as a mother with two girls, the thought that they would ever go through something like i did, keep me up at night. how extreme -- how extreme does this measure need to be? i'm not the only woman in our state that has faced that horrible circumstance. i think you need to see the face of the women that you are impacting by this vote today. >> if you are the most powerful person in the world or not, it

is the most excruciating thing to talk about. do you still find it extraordinary that on that day all those years ago you mustered the strength to tell this story? >> yeah, i've got to tell you just even watching the old clip i can feel my heart in my throat. like i feel it once again. >> me, too. >> yet i tell that story in the book because ten years later as governor i got to sign the repeal of that legislation. so that part of the book, it's a chapter titled "never give up." it took ten years longer than it should have, but these fights are worth waging. we can win them, and that's what this book is about, putting some light out in the world in a heavy, hard time and trying to give people a little inspiration or maybe you can laugh at my expense. i tell some interesting things i've never shared before or

maybe some light reading. i feel hopeful now, and maybe giving up was part of that philosophy. >> say more about feeling hopeful now. >> i've got to tell you it's understandable americans might want to check out. it's been a hard six years from the pandemic to the political rhetoric to all the heavy stuff we've been navigating. and yet i find when i actually roll-up my sleeves and get more active is when i feel more hopeful. getting into and listening to people, connecting with people. listening is i think a super power and not enough people do it, especially politicians. so as i see kamala harris and tim walz as the standard bearers of the democratic party now, i know that these are regular people, middle class folks who understand how to solve problems, and that gives me hope. and i see the energy that is happening right now. i'm sober it's still going to be hard and michigan is going to be the center of it all.

i am hopeful seeing my nelo americans who want to solve problems like harris and walz. >> you know, after trump won in 2016 i spent a lot of time in michigan talking to two-time voters for president obama who had left the democratic party in support of trump. and so much of what they wanted from him he did not deliver on. and it's so remarkable that the republican party nominated him a third time. can you tell me what the political fight is, sort of what are the voters that are going to be most contested, and where do you think the race stands today? >> well, michigan is a pricrocosm of the country. we are the most diverse of all the swing states. i was raised in a household -- and i talk a little bit about this in the book, too. my dad was a republican, a traditional republican, maybe a nicolle wallace republican. and my mother was a democrat, and, you know, it was a different time. we could have differences but agree on the facts and have

different perspectives on those facts. we stayed centered on values and solving problems, we wouldn't get so angry we'd walk away from the table and not have thanksgiving together. it was a different time, and i do think it's really important that we're making space at the table for people who aren't totally bought into the democratic agenda but can see someone who is actually genuinely trying to solve problems and make their lives better. we have republicans for harris here in michigan. i think that's really important. i didn't win michigan by almost 11 points without pulling a lot of people over the political aisle. republicans and independents, i value that, and i know that kamala harris and tim walz do, too. and i know that that work is being done here on the ground. >> i mean it's interesting that you sort of pull out that there are a lot of reasons why you are one of the most beloved politicians in the country right now. you point to the ability to listen. one of the people you want to listen to is the -- or the people you want to listen to are

the plotters of your own planned kidnapping and attack. tell me about that. you write about that in the book as well. >> you know, when i wrote that, i didn't know that would strike people as unusual, to be honest. i want to learn. whether it is the reproductive freedom fight we had last fall or in 202 going into an important election where we amended our constitution or simply understanding where michigan ganders are, what can i do to make your life better, fixing our roads. why is that so important to you? it's about paying the represent, it's about child care, it's about getting to work on time. so i do think that -- that listening is so important. these plotters, it is an -- it was, let's see, not a usual reaction to a governor telling you to wear a mask. we have 330 million in this country.

14 wanted to kill their governor for wanting to tell them to wear a mask. why? what was really going on in their lives? is there something i can learn that make me a better governor or better human being? maybe it wouldn't be a good use of my time, but i'd like to try because i see every problem as an opportunity to do more, do better, and to help someone. >> you know, we talked to your secretary of state, jocelyn benson, regularly. she mentioned the last time she was on either this week or late last week, she'd been swatted twice in 24 hours. there are -- to your point about a microcosm, most of some most extreme elements of the republican party do call michigan home. what is your -- what is your sort of theory of the case of what has radicalized them and what role donald trump plays in keeping people caught in a cycle of disinformation and rage? >> i think one of the most troubling things is to see a politician who wants to use their platform to simply stoke

anger and to foment that against their political opponents. we're not enemies. we're political opponents, and yet we have seen him time and time again use his platform to incite violence. you know, i -- the plot to kidnap and to kill me was something that we saw every time he even mentioned michigan or me on twitter. we saw more threats against me and my family, people showing up with long guns on the front lawn of the governor's residence. this is i think a really horrible trend. and whether it's a shooter at a republican rally in pennsylvania or plotters in michigan, people of good will on both sides need to hold people accountable, one another accountable. not across the aisle but within the party. it's not okay to simply call out violence when it's turned on you when you've been inciting it for years. we have to stand against this. every one of us has a duty and responsibility to use our platforms in that way. and so i do think that as we get

closer to this election, the swatting we've seen here in michigan against a number of us, frankly, is just one more tactic to try to intimidate folks. and we can't let them win. we've got to stand against it, and we've got to punish people who are going to misuse and abuse their fellow americans to hurt someone else who's a political opponent. >> i think it's so important to talk about it, and i appreciate you talking about it. and i appreciate the secretary of state talking about it because i think some of what they do it's meant to terrorize people and chill the conversations. governor gretchen whitmer, thank you for having this conversation with us. the book is called "truicize gretch, what i've learned about life, leadership, and everything in between." it's wonderful to have you here. thank you. after the break for us, donald trump brings a familiar face back to his inner circle and campaign, but it might not help him politically.

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platforms. and just so you're aware, he will be opening his mouth again this afternoon in any minute actually at a different house this time, bedminster, new jersey. they are calling it a press conference, his second in as many weeks. and if today's event is anything like last or his so-called economic messaging event yesterday, then you can understand why we're choosing not to broadcast it here in realtime. we will, of course, monitor it and pass along anything news-related and true. because inevitably, donald trump's public appearances have been less about the issues in the news lately -- as if they ever were -- and more about threats and lines and demeaning people. and, you know, his current advisers are pleading with him to stay on message, whatever that means. so what did trump do today? he hired some of the way back crew that includes among others former advisor cory lewandowski, the man who coined the phrase "let trump be trump."

joining our conversation president and ceo of voter latino nbc contributor maria theresa kumar. plus political strategist matt dowd is back. matt dowd, i wanted to pick up on a conversation we started this week about the way the race has been reshaped. there is so much evidence that that is the case, and it doesn't matter who the sort of pollster or the data is being collected for, right? whether it's a poll that typically focuses on swing states or democratic states or a certain demographic or women or young people or gen "x" or gen "y" or gen z, they all so the direction that vice president harris has reset the race. and donald trump is today -- and we should say 83 days is an eternity but the race has been reshaped and vice president kairs has some momentum and enthusiasm. what are you watching now, matt? what are the things that are

legitimate political news over the next 83 days? >> that's a very good question. so i'll add one thing that i actually think this starting of resetting of the race was joe biden's decision but then the vice president and the decision to take advantage of that decision, which completely reset the vibe, and it was an earthquake in our political system. and i don't think donald trump and his folks know how to deal with that earthquake in our political system. to me we're at a point the timing of this, i mean it's almost as if it's a perfect storm on behalf of vice president harris against donald trump in everything that's happened. and then we're about to go into this convention period, which the vice president will come out of with my expectation is a pretty solid 4 or 5-point lead when she leaves that convention which is significant in an environment where the race is decided by 5 or 6 points. that is significant movement in

this. to me it's not going to be advertising even though it's going to be a about a ton of advertising. and it's not going to be about 22 visits to given state. to me this race in order for donald trump to get back in this race and to reset the psychic nature of this race to his advantage, it has to be a big, huge moment. and either it's external, which we're unaware of, so we can't predict those. and the only ones that we can predict that could reset the race possibly are the debates. that is -- that's what's left, i think, to really fundamentally shift the race to a disadvantage of vice president harris. and one thing i think people have forgotten -- and we talked about this a little bit, but i want to recall this. is that donald trump's staying power of popularity and significance with the public, his life has always shown it wanes. and i'll give you a perfect

example. "the apprentice." it was new and entertaining. by year four it was down to 10 million viewers. by year 7 or 8 the apprentice sctick has worn off. he is old shctick. and what vice president harris is an opening and brand new series, which none of us have ever seen before and watching it unfold in realtime while we have a rerun on nickelodeon that's still ongoing, still says the same thing. and that's why the last elements of really fundamentally shifting this race are the debates. >> you know, maria theresa kumar, you know data, you know politics and you know the

country. and i think it's what matt said plus it's the collective ptsd. it's -- you know, we live in a country where to save women from the fate the likes of which amanda endured where she almost died because she was pregnant with a nonviable pregnancy, she has become a person in the political arena talking about the consequences of what donald trump did. donald trump picked people who would overturn roe vs. wade. the country has been through something traumatic. he was unrepentant about his failures around covid. i'm not sure by him pretending to care -- millions of people died. it was his indifference to the failures and suffering and collective tragedy and grief that people are still processing. so i think it's more than being tired and old and no one's

watching anymore. i think she's speaking to not just exhaustion but to our desire to pick ourselves up from all of these blows and sort of make a turn towards something more positive and more hopeful. >> nicolle, i think that you're -- that's exactly what the american people are thinking about right now. because it wasn't just covid, it was procovid. there was not a moment where any of us would wake up and say oh, my gosh, what did he tweet now. there was any moment you were african american and you felt like someone watching your back. there wasn't a moment when you got home you were going to be racially profiled or if you were undocumented your loved one would not be there. there wasn't a moment we didn't feel tense and we weren't sure if our neighbor had our back. what kamala harris was able to do with tim walz is beautifully remind us we are a joyful people, we're a loving people, we do care about each other, and

we do want to close a chapter on a dark period because what donald trump reminded us is that there's still deep racism and division in this country, but they are the last gasp. the fact we have the evangelical community coming out, the white dudes for kamala harris. we have every spectrum and different groups of people saying this is who we actually are. we are a multicultural america when we come together very clear-eyed about what about our difficulties are but with a plan to move us forward, we are unstoppable. one of the things that president biden always says at the end of the day is we are america, damn it. we can do whatever we set our mind to. and he's reminding us with the choice of kamala harris and tim walz that that is actually true. this is not a.i. generated crowds that you see. you see real enthusiasm. and i have to share with you in the work that we're doing in the last ten days we've seen a surge in young voters saying we want to reregister, we want to get

back in the game, we want to drive the agenda. and if you want to look at the polling, the polling does not include newly registered voters, and it doesn't necessarily always highlight the independents that are moving. and so even in ohio where they're saying that she's down, i would actually encourage us to think she might be up because of the young voters. in arizona alone biden won that state by 10,700 votes. my organization so far we've already registered over 13,000 of them that are newly registered voters, right? so we're exceeding those margins already, and we don't expect this type of movement until post-labor day, post the dnc conventions and rnc conventions. so the momentum is absolutely there, and the only thing i would alert the public to is that there is an effort on the other side to continue cheating. and by cheating what i mean is that they are actively purging folks on the voter file. make sure even though you voted

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donald trump's campaign was hoping to build on the coalition he assembled in 2020. but the latest data shows things may not be falling his way. for instance, a new survey by equis research shows with 79 days to go, vice president harris is, quote, on track to hold off a gop surge in support from latino voters. we're back with maria teresa and matt. what do you think is going on and what states are you watching most closely. you're watching ohio and arizona and florida would be something we would keep an eye on too. >> it is interesting. florida is interesting because before kamala was at the top of the ticket, we were losing -- the democrats were losing that in a very big way. now you're seeing she's down by five points and, again, this is before people start paying

attention. most americans don't start paying attention to elections until after labor day. so the opportunity to close that gap was very real. but even in a place like pennsylvania, we're seeing surges in voter registrations among young people. this is significant. there are 12 million more young voters that are eligible to vote than in 2020. and in a place like even like georgia, where biden won by 23,000 votes -- won by less than 12,000 votes, you're seeing a surge of folks that are registering and growing that electoral base of a multicultural america. so when you ask what we're seeing at voter latino, it is very similar. most people before she was atop of the ticket, you had a good 17% of latinos saying they were going to vote independent. they were still interested in biden if he was the top of the ticket. but 17% once you enter someone that was third party, they were going to vote for a third party.

right now, rfk is nowhere to be seen. that was the leading candidate. so the fact that she's closed that gap means that all of a sudden you have arizona and nevada in play and ohio and michigan, you have an increase of young voters there participating in ways we haven't seen. there is real enthusiasm. and i think that speaks to what young people have been wanting, they want someone that is authentic, that speaks to their values, and at the same time can tell them when they're wrong. if you recall, there was a conversation when she went back and forth with someone that was talking about palestinians in gaza and she was very clear. if you think you're going to be better off under donald trump, let's have that conversation. and it is that kind of ability to be straightforward with an audience, even when you don't agree with them that i think is actually giving her that authenticity that young people are desiring. >> i mean, matt dowd, it is a -- sort of a proven political attribute that people like. you might not agree with me, but

you know where i stand. but my question for you, how do you focus, right? it looks like other states are coming into play because of national trends. how do you focus in on run the most strategic campaign possible with, you know, some 70, 80 days to go? >> well, i mean, you -- you and i had this conversation numerous times in 2004 and every time somebody walks in the room and says we need to target this data, i can feel it is going better and better, what that means is if you target and one additional state, it means you're taking resources from one state and having to put it in another. there is no infinite amount of resources in this. though what you do is gauge each day and each week what is going on the ground and what is going on in the polling and if that state is really an opening. i think florida and ohio are both two of those states that i don't think the harris/walz campaign is going to dump money in today, or maybe even in the next two weeks, but it is a two-state story they're going to

monitor. what i find interesting, two states that democrats were worried they would have to spend money in, minnesota and virginia, now they seem off the table and there is an additional state now that has been added, north carolina, which is now a become a serious swing state, which is to donald trump's detriment. and i think we're going to see other states begin to come off the table whether it is a michigan or pennsylvania that allows the harris/walz campaign to expand into places like florida and ohio. >> i'm waiting for the -- go ahead. >> so, what is interesting is that while florida on the top of the ticket may be far away, all of a sudden that senatorial seat really comes into play. and i would be watching that more than -- and we flip it, more, like, what is going to happen at the senate level? there is a candidate there that the democrats now are vying for, saying, wait a second, we may be able to flip her because of this enthusiasm. >> and the same -- i'm sorry,

i'll add to that. >> you got all the nerds today. >> the same is true of ted cruz and -- >> yeah. >> the opportunity that harris will carry texas which is a possibility. that didn't exist a month ago. >> who wouldn't be happy to see that happen? bipartisan enthusiasm for that. i was going to say, i'm waiting for the girl dads for harris zoom. i feel like that opens up more corners of a lot of these groups we're talking about. maria teresa kumar, matt dowd, thanks to both of you. to be continued. coming up in the next hour of "deadline: white house," gop vice presidential nominee jd vance thinks caring about abortion rights isn't, quote, normal. tell that to the millions of women who mobilized to vote this year. that story is next. mobilized tos year that story is next schedule. ♪ trains that use the power of dell ai and intel.

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i would very much like for our young moms and our young dads to be able to have whatever family they want to have, and for them to not feel like it is going to ruin their career or ruin their future, we should be encouraging young moms and dads to bring life into the world and i think there are a whole host of ways in which we prevent them from doing it and that's got to change. >> hi again, everyone. it is 5:00 in the east. when you see that guy, what do you think? we think clean up on aisle nine. the gop's vice presidential nominee jd vance is on the defense again, for comments he made about women, and their rights. those comments were his attempt to clarify remarks he made about abortions back in 2021, written up by the christian science monitor. quote, vance argued that companies supporting abortion rights really just want a pool of, quote, cheap labor, with workers unburdened by the cost and time commitment of caring for children. citing former georgia democratic house minority leader stacey abrams' assertion that a georgia

abortion ban would be bad for business, he said, quote, she was right, and the big corporations come against you for passing abortion restrictions, when corporations are so desperate for cheap labor that they don't want people to parent children. she's right to say that abortion restrictions are bad for business. and apparently no woman, she is of child bearing age or not, is free from vance's harsh critiques. in 2020, the gop's vice presidential nominee was on a podcast and seemingly agreed with the interviewer who said this, quote, the whole purpose of the post menopausal female is to help raise children. he agreed with that. vance's spokeswoman denied that's what happened, saying he does not agree with that sentiment, that the host said, and he agreed with. here is part of the conversation where vance is talking about his mother-in-law, his wife's mother, leaving her powerful job to take care of his newborn son.

>> and you can sort of see the effect it has on him to be around them, like, they spoil him and sort of all the classic stuff that grandparents do to grandchildren, but it makes him a much better human being to have exposure to his grandparents. and the evidence on this, by the way, is super clear. >> that's the whole purpose of the post menopausal female in theory. but let me ask you a question, not knowing the answer. >> please. >> when your child was born, did your in-laws and particularly your mother-in-law show up in some huge way? >> she lived with us for a year. >> right. >> so i didn't know the answer to that. that was weird unadvertised feature of marrying an indian woman. >> it is in some ways the most transgressive thing i've done against the hyperneo liberal approach to a working family. >> his own words on tape. added benefits of marrying an

indian woman. he said that. but even crazier than this latest revelation is what vance said last night, watch this stunning exchange on fox news. >> senator, one of my dear friends tonight said to me, well, all these suburban women, all these suburban women, all they care about is abortion and they don't understand that decision is with the states now. so it is not banned nationally, even if something wanted to be banned nationally, it is with the states. what do you say to suburban women out there who are marinating in this propaganda? >> well, first of all, i don't buy that, laura. i think most suburban women care about the normal things that most americans care about. they care about inflation, wher play. >> normal things, to which the presumptive democratic vice presidential nominee, governor tim walz clammed back saying, quote, it's pretty normal to respect a woman's right to make her own health care decision. the american people will see the

two men go toe-to-toe when they debate on october 1st. a low energy donald trump continues to drone on outside a table of groceries outside his mansion in bedminster, new jersey. this hour it is more and more weird and misogynistic comments from his vp which is where we begin with co-founder and ceo of the seneca project, tara sentmire. also joining us, former campaign manager for barack obama's 2012 reelection campaign, jim messina is here. former trump impeachment manager, congresswoman madeline bean of pennsylvania is here. i will let you go first. what do you do if you are married to someone who over the natural course his wife will be a post-menopausal woman and you

are married to someone who thinks your only purpose is to take care of future grandchildren? it is a world view that puts him so much outside the mainstream of even republican -- sort of, i guess, former republican thinking. this is a very, very extreme and radical and bizarre guy. >> so as an indian american post-menopausal woman myself, i've been waiting for this moment, nicole. man, what an embarrassment. this guy is a total embarrassment to his family, to his -- their community, my community, the indian-american community. his mother-in-law is an accomplished academic and professional. she took a year off of her life to help raise their baby and this is the kind of racist, misogynistic nonsense she has to hear. look, i can't speak for her and her family and what they knew and didn't know about j.d.

vance. i can say as an indian-american who grew up in this country i hope his kids are not having to hear all of this nonsense because it is really destructive and it is really dangerous. at the end of the day j.d. vance is running for vice president of this country, and it is unacceptable that he has this viewpoint, not just about women but about immigrant communities, about so many of us. and post-menopausal women are about to show up and let him know what our goal is, and it is to stop a trump/vance presidency and vice presidency and to elect kamala harris and tim walz. >> hillary clinton tweeted this. childless cat ladies, post-menopausal fee males. is the republican ticket aware that republican women can vote. it is politically -- you know, forget about how offensive the comments are. politically you are going to x out all of these people from your coalition? it is insanity.

>> it is all bizarre how much of this, nicole, that he was just willing to say out loud publicly on podcasts, you know, to press, even in the last couple of weeks, you know. look, it is a really distinct world view. i talk a lot about the need to draw contrast, right. it is not enough just to say what we're against but to also say what we're for. so going back to a j.d. vance-tim walz debate, look, we have a clear delineation. one party spouses policies that are bad for american families and hurt american women but also all child bearing people in this country and i guess post-menopausal people too. one party wants to advance care. it is not just about abortion as an act of reproductive freedom but paid family leave, investment in university child care, and it is very, very clear. if anything it is helpful for us to have more proof of that. >> you know, congresswoman,

there is a disdain for women, even in separating and pitting against one another, the professional value of his wife who went back to -- part of the podcast, i listened to more than i played, was about how she was going to start her clerkship. so it isn't -- it is also this really sick pitting one group of women, the post menopausal female, that's his mother-in-law, against his wife of child bearing age and deciding that her career value was greater. she had to go back to her clerkship, than his mother-in-law's. there's more than misogyny in there. there's ageism, there's sexism. he called it transgressive when he agreed to the interviewer when he said it is a benefit, a bennie of marrying into an indian family. this is really nasty stuff wrapped up in this guy's mind. >> well, it is good to be with you, nicole, and also minnie and

tara and jim. i have to admit to you, shocking as it may be, i too am post-menopausal and i have grandchildren and i love the time i get to spend with my grandchildren. any time i can be a part of their upbringing is something i enjoy. in fact, all four of my grandchildren have been with me this week. so that's a lot of fun. but what j.d. vance is doing is he is showing how he has no core. he has no core set of values. he has no idea actually what he stands for. after all, this is a person who said, "i'm a never trumper," who compared trump to an american hitler. when he talks about women in this misogynistic way it is stunning and shocking. he also talked about suburban women not caring, as you pointed out, about reproductive health care, about abortion rights and health care, that they care about normal things like inflation, cost of groceries and

crime. the truth is i am also a suburban woman who represents hundreds of thousands of suburban philadelphia women. we care very much around our reproductive health care choices, our privacy rights and choices. we don't want j.d. vance or donald trump or state legislators in our doctors' offices. even as we had the ability to care about inflation and crime and the cost of groceries, j.d. vance doesn't want to talk about the fact that all of those things have gone in the correct direction. inflation is down. the economy is improving. crime is down. they are so flailing, nikole. we see it in unhinged donald trump. >> i watched j.d. vance on tape and then i watched the cleanup,

he was on laura ingraham to clean up the latest mess he made. another campaign news cycle lost yesterday to the attack on all post-menopausal women in america who vote and not for nothing are sort of having a moment, oprah and gayle and goop and naomi watts, i mean the travails of menopause have been platformed and aired out and the secrets of hot flashes are way out of the closet. maybe j.d. vance missed that cultural phenomenon but it has happened. but the idea that he goes to clean up an interview and then smears suburban women in the cleanup interview is extraordinary. suburban women not just in philadelphia and states like pennsylvania, but in kansas and north carolina and deep southern states are also concerned about the extreme republican bans. so even laura ingraham's construction, oh, the states have got this, the states are where some of the laboratories

for extremism are working overtime. >> yeah. it is just all very cringe for me with j.d. vance. every time he opens his mouth he seems to have to reinvent himself again. to the congresswoman's point, he's soulless. it is obvious he is very angry about his upbringing. he has anger towards women pras probably the trauma with his upbringing with his own parents, and the rest of us have to pay the price for this. we are watching it unfold in front of us. he clearly doesn't know who he is and he clearly lashes out against women. there's something emotionally detached about j.d. vance when he speaks about his own family even and his own wife. when you listen to that podcast and others, the way he refers to his children, it is all -- it just doesn't feel very comfortable and it is unnerving. this person should be nowhere near the white house and nowhere

near a position of power where he's making decisions about the future of women. you know, you brought up the fact that the states are these laboratories of extremism in some places where we've seen these abortion bans and rights being taken away from women every day, and there are eight states that now have abortion ballots -- abortion initiatives on the ballot. that is a big deal. that is the american people clapping back against these extremist policies, and that cuts across party lines. you see what just happened in arizona. 577,000 signatures, it is a record, to get that abortion ballot -- initiative on the ballot because women there had enough. they don't like the idea that people are telling them how to make decisions about their own bodies, their futures or their children's. no one wants to go back to a time where women were treated as second class citizens, and every time j.d. vance opens his mouth he shows us what the maga extremist agenda really thinks

about women. we see in north carolina, north carolina is in play. you have a governor there that doesn't think women should vote. in florida it is actually in play now. you talk about post-menopausal women, florida has the highest per capita people over 60 years old, and did you see what happened in the villages? the villages, which used to be trump territory, you had women out there in droves with kamala harris signs. those are post-menopausal women and they vote. just ask julia louis-dreyfus about the importance of listening to older women and the experience. believe me, the women of that age bring more to the table than just being part of a transgressive transaction in a family to j.d. vance to take care of their grandchildren. it is so insulting, and women are sick and tired of the insult. they see what is going on here, and i don't see how you are adding suburban women votes in places like where the congress woman represents that are desperately needed if donald trump thinks he is going to win this thing. there's a reason why kamala

harris in the latest quinnipiac poll is up 55% to 41% over donald trump with women in those suburban counties in pennsylvania. >> jim messina. here is some data for you to sort of put into context for us. 85% according to gallup's latest question on this in may believe that abortion should be legal in all or certain circumstances. just 12% believe abortion should be illegal in all circumstances. j.d. vance supports a national abortion ban. the idea that donald trump is stuck with someone who doesn't just have policy positions way outside the mainstream -- and donald trump actually knows this on abortion -- but who has disdain, so sort of shallow under the surface that he can't even hide it for 75 days for women. what do you do with that if you are the harris-walz side and want to solidify the opportunity

you have? >> you let him talk about it and you stay focused on your message. you know, there's so much to unpack for political professionals like us. what is the theory of upsetting every woman voter in america? is that a good -- like the very first rule of vp picks is do no harm. so this is the fourth time in a month j.d. vance has had to go out and explain something he said. the do no harm thing, we violated that. my second rant is you just showed donald trump. the campaign is clearly out of control when they decided the great idea is on grocery prices to put him in front of a country club that no swing voter could ever become a member of or afford and he is going to do this event in front of a multi-million dollar mansion instead of what you and i would have done, which is put him in a grocery store talking to normal people. i mean this is just getting

out -- like it is proof that donald trump is running his own campaign and he is running it into the ground with terrible decisions like picking j.d. vance, like picking a fight with women voters across the country, in doing events at country clubs, trying to talk to voters who are having problems making ends meet. >> what's amazing too is i think donald trump thinks all meals come from the buffet line, right, at mar-a-lago or bedminster. i'm sure -- i think there's meat, raw meat out there on one of those tables in the sun in new jersey. >> this is a guy who thinks you need id to buy bread, remember? like when he tried to talk about regular things he's like, you need an id. you talk about what's not normal, the normal things. what is not normal is what j.d. vance is saying, what donald trump is doing. there's nothing normal about any of this, and way it is being covered in some media outlets is that this is just the normal

campaign horse race stuff. there's nothing normal about any of this. j.d. vance is running with a silver spoon, draft-dodging convicted felon, adjudicated rapist insurrectionist who fantasizes about having romances with dictators. that's what is not fricking normal. let's be honest here. he can't get away with this. it is remarkable. >> like a hot knife through cold butter, tara taking us to our first break of the hour. much more to get to as j.d. vance's past comments continue to haunt him on the campaign trail day after day after day. also ahead for us, new calls for congress to show courage and stand up to the maga extremists ready to try to steal another election. we will be joined by another capitol police officer who is sounding the alarm about the potential of a repeat of january 6th. "deadline: white house" continues after a quick break. don't go anywhere. n't go anywhe. ♪

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we're all back. tara, minnie, jim and congresswoman dean. congresswoman, there's this thing that trump stories usually have attached to them, and it is the incompetence piece where people think, well, they didn't vet him. i think they did vet j.d. vance. he think they knew because j.d. vance believes all of the same things that project to 25 agenda, which i know you are making your way there. whether trump read it or not, it is all policy cooked into support the things that he says and tweets. i think they knew exactly who j.d. vance was. they know exactly what is in project 2025. they just didn't think they would run against kamala harris. they didn't think the democrats

would do what they've done and fundamentally reshape the 2024 presidential election. what do you think? >> well, you're right. i am looking at project 2025. i know you are doing the exact same thing. look at chapter 11, department of education. federal education policies should be limited and ultimately the federal department of education should be eliminated. oh, that's the direction for the united states of america to go. that is the policy -- the soulless policy of a donald trump. he stands for nothing. and the soulless policy of j.d. vance because he stands for this and he stands for that. what i think is going on, and i want to tell you just from my own experience with constituents and friends texting me in these weeks since kamala harris has become our effective nominee for president, the joy, the optimism, the hope that are in the texts that are coming to me every single day -- in fact, one

woman, a friend of mine, texted me hopetism. she said, sorry, the words got slammed together by auto correct or something. i said i think you have invented something. we are in a moment of hopetism where hope and optimism talk about our future. what is so pathetic about donald trump is he is entirely about the past. he is entirely about the darkness. he is entirely about fear, bigotry and self. j.d. vance just -- just suits him. they vetted j.d. vance. they knew exactly what they were getting. they were getting almost nothing with him. neither donald trump nor j.d. vance is fit, is qualified to be president of the united states. something i would raise as j.d. vance's attack on tim walz and his military service, how beneath j.d. vance is it, was it that he would attack the military, 24-year military

service of tim walz. they are so desperate. they know they are failing and flailing and they chose j.d. vance and they know now they've made a terrible mistake. >> you know, jim messina, there's going to be a lot of temptation i think to cover process, which is never a good thing for the media to do. those are shiny objects, campaigns that don't have substance because i have peddled process. the campaigns that don't have any substance or facts or data, they dangle process. today the two process stories are whatever is happening with raw meat in front of bedminster's mansion. the other is sort of reassembling the villains of campaigns past. i guess my question for you is trump's problems aren't that he isn't being trumpy enough, sort of corey lewandowski's political calling card if he has one, or his events are not getting covered. i think everybody but us are

sitting in some of truch's events, but it is that people are not buying what trump is selling anymore. how do you look at and how should we look at the next 78 days? >> nicolle, you are exactly right. the truth is this schtick has gotten old. it is the third time the country stopped believing it. you know how i feel about polling. when you look at the polls, we can all agree he is stuck. he is stuck at 46 or 47, he can't move because he has nothing new to tell the american voters and show the american voters. you know, you only get two free moments in a presidential campaign, when you pick your vp and your convention speech. he has blown both of those things, lost both of those opportunities. you know, voters in the first swing state of north carolina get their ballots in 22 days. he's got to change this narrative very, very quickly and, you know, the way you would do that is have a substantive fight. the way you would do it is say, "here is what i'm for, what are

you for" and go straight at it. to the congresswoman's point, he can't do that because he doesn't stand for anything. he picked the biggest boot licker he could find who wouldn't rock the boat to be his vp and he doesn't stand for anything either. they can't fundamentally make the race about substance, about what voters care about because they don't know. nicolle, they don't care. >> minnie, where does that leave us? terms of making sure that all of the substance that is the hairs-was record and all of the visions for the future and plans to protect the things we talk about all the time are not distorted? because the danger of a candidate and campaign that doesn't say anything is they will say and do anything. >> yeah, i think that was the point you made originally. j.d. vance exists on this ticket. yes, he is a boot licker absolutely, but he also exists on this ticket to be a wink and a nod and validation to the most extreme elements of the maga republican party, right? we knew trump understands

abortion is popular, but we also know j.d. vance was so embedded in project 2025 that his existence on the ticket would be a validator of their core values and what they were going to do in office. but, look, to your point, we need to make sure that a harris-walz ticket, and i think the good news is they're already well on their way, is championing a bold vision and that their -- to the congresswoman's point, they're injecting hope and optimism into the narrative. what we are seeing with kamala harris on reproductive freedom and tim walz as we talked about is a proactive message, not just on the record, what they will do to stop the trump maga extremists, what they will do to fix the mess donald trump caused and what they will do optimistically and move forward. it is not just restoring reproductive freedom. it is expanding access. it is making it a more equitable society for us. that's the thing that's going to transcend and keep them out of the trap you just mentioned.

>> tara, you get the last word. >> you know, i think it is important for everyone to realize it isn't just about this one issue. we see that j.d. vance and donald trump are the vessels for the project 2025, christian nationalist extremism. there's a story out today about how the christian nationalists are trying to go after ivf now. they want to have some kind of national ban on ivf. good luck with that. believe me, the seneca project is coming out with something on that issue. stay tuned for the girl dads. i just don't see how this is -- i just don't see how it is a winning strategy for them. i mean it is -- it is to jim's point, it is such old news. everything about donald trump is so yesterday. >> yeah. >> and j.d. vance is trying -- they're trying to make stuff happen and they're not. american women are looking at this going, we've already gone through this. we are not trying to go through this again. this is not a country that i want my daughters and granddaughters to grow up in

with these people at the helm. this is not what america stands for, and everything that donald trump and maga has put out there, what we've seen in project 2025, which has exposed them, is they actually hate what makes america great. they do. they're not inclusive, at all. that is not the america that the majority of american people want, and we're seeing that in the surge in the kamala harris/tim walz ticket and this optimism that we see, these joyful warriors. the fact donald trump is going after kamala harris for laughing, when's the last time we ever saw donald trump actually laugh? he's miserable. >> i know. >> they're -- cat ladies aren't miserable. they are. the projection is unbelievable here. we are all going to mobile easy behind hopism, i love that, congress woman, and around being joyful warriors and we will take the country back from the magas and stay on a path where we will save this democracy and women will be at the helm doing it. >> tara setmayer, minnie, jim

messina and congresswoman dean, this is my favorite conversation all week. thank you for having it with us. still ahead, the urgent warnings are getting louder that the same route who tried to violently steal the 2020 election will try again this time. we will be joined by a former capitol police officer who was there on january 6th along with the lead investigator to the house january 6th select committee. that's after a short break. don't go anywhere. but at what cost? turn shipping to your advantage. with low cost ground shipping from the united states postal service. ♪♪ (children speaking) conflict is raging across the world,

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two of the former police officers who became heroes on january 6th for protecting american democracy as well as victims of what one described as medieval combat are warning americans about the republican members of congress who refer -- refuse to certify the results of the 2020 election last time. michael fanone and the sergeant argue in a new op-ed many of the election deniers have not changed their tune one bit. they're calling on all of us, all americans to demand their lawmakers have the courage to certify the 2024 election results. they write this, quote, on january 6th, 2025, members of congress will have to ask themselves, will they fulfill their duty to the american voters, protect the peaceful transfer of power and disavow the project 2025 agenda, or will they put their own political ambitions ahead of public service?

the 140 police officers who saved their lives on january 6th, 2021 will be watching to see how they answer. joining our conversation, former u.s. capitol police officer and council member for courage for america, aquilino gonell, also the author. also the leader of the january 6th select committee tim hayes is here. officer, it is great to see you. we haven't talked to you in a long time. i first want to ask you how you are doing. how is it to watch our politics continue to fracture along the lines that they fractured on january 6th? >> well, good to see you and thanks for having me back. in relation to the current political environment, it is outstanding that donald trump was the one who said that if he loses the last election he will move out of the country and nobody will hear from him, and

here we are four years later almost. he's still here. that's incredibly, despite all of the finding that evidence and allegation of misconduct, he's still around, and you have the republican elected officials excusing that type of behavior which to my own demise in this belief, i find incredible. >> sergeant gonell, is the strategy of drawing the american public's attention to the abdication of their duty on the part of the republican members and the fact that they're still there sort of akin to if you see something, say something, trying to almost crowd source the protection of democracy so it doesn't fall to folks like yourself again? >> i mean we -- one thing that i learned since the aftermath of january 6th is that we cannot depend on the republican elected

officials to defend the constitution. they had contorted themselves to fit the narrative that nothing happened on january 6th, and the same thing can be said of the supreme court. what is now grave danger to our republican, to our democracy, when the president of the united states, a sitting president takes aim and tries to make a coup by sending a mob of violent insurrectionists to the capital to attack the seat of democracy and almost get away with it. and here we are seeing him being the leading candidate for a political party that claimed to be on the side of the rule of law, law and order and backing the police. to me that's a slap in the face of all police officers who put on the badge. you know, how can they support the police if they're not

supporting the police officer on january 6th as well when the same person who sent the mob to the capitol is offering pardons if he wins election. even if they are convicted of the alleged crimes that they have been found guilty. >> what do you say when you come across people who believe his lies and the republican lies, that it is donald trump and the republicans who stand with law enforcement? >> look, that's a topic that i speak at great length in my book, "american shield." >> i know. >> i say to people, tell me how you support the police if you are supporting the same person who send the mob to try to kill me. look, at the end of the day, i'm not a politician. i wasn't trying to become a public figure, but the mere fact that what happened to me was done under the banner of donald

trump, that is why i'm supporting kamala harris. that is why i'm siding with somebody who is not sending the mob to kill me and my colleagues and the same people who i defended on that day, they turned around and support -- and die fend the people who attacked me on january 6th, not the police officers. >> the other part, sergeant gonell, of sort of the failure around what has failed you and the fellow officers is the criminal justice system. what do you think about the fact that donald trump will not stand before a jury of his peers and be judged for the crimes for which he has been charged by the justice department? >> very disappointing that, you know, the justice system has been slow walking this case. if it were me being accused by one of those counts that he has been accused of, my behind would

have been in jail a long time ago. when i was in iraq i had to absolutely literally dispose and burn some of the sensitive documents that, you know, i no longer needed because they were that sensitive, i had to burn it at the burn pits. here we have somebody in mar-a-lago making those documents public and he's still walking free. in terms of the january 6th trial or case, you know, god forbid he gets back into office. he has said many times that he would do it again. he's planning to stay -- suss -- suspend the constitution and become a dictator from day one. there's a lot of things that give me concern if he returns into office. we can no longer count on him or the court -- i'm sorry, on the court to hold him accountable. look what happened on the

supreme court, which, you know, they had cited that he is -- has immunity for some of the things including sending the mob to attack the capitol, his own government at that time. >> tim haffey, as someone who knows the facts just about better than anybody and who has served inside the department of justice, what is your best explanation for everything that we've been discussing, the failure to hold donald trump to the same standard that any of us would be held to? >> i think it comes down, nicolle, to get a really late start. they were hesitant to pursue a case that felt political. you know, we have a department of justice that has justifiably tried to remain free from politics, and everything that i understand is that that impulse prevented them from even moving forward to even look at the

facts beyond the assault of police officers like sergeant gonell to the broader context until the evidence kind of slapped them in the face in the form of testimony of witnesses before our committee and really aggressive reporting about the fact that there was a whole series of events that led to sergeant gonell and his brothers and sisters being assaulted. it wasn't a spontaneous event. it was a methodical event, one that was the last step in a methodical plan and the department was really not focused on the other parts of that plan until a couple of years after those events. that's why we're here, nicolle. we're here with a delayed -- what looks to me to be a really significant criminal investigation and ultimate prosecution. >> all right. i have a million more questions for both of you. i have to sneak in a quick break. we all will be right back on the other side. k on the other side

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just like all of the other maga republicans, they have not sided with the capitol police. they have sided with the people who were doing the attacking. look at mike johnson, for example. two years ago there was a law that was passed to put the names of the officers who responded and defended the tunnel entrance, and two years later he still has not done that because he doesn't want to antagonize his dear leader and the maga supporter of him. but, no, they have not. only adam kinzinger and liz cheney have been the not. only kissinger and liz cheney have been the only two republicans elected officials from the capitol that ever reach out to me. they use the majority of the republican elected officials in congress, they use the police officer as pawn. and it's a slap in the face of the sacrifice that we did.

overall, nine people died at the capitol. four of my colleagues died due to the injuries or the trauma that they sustained that day. and even his own supporter died that day. but to answer your question, they have not reached out to us, the officers. just a photo op for them to say they support the police. everywhere else but the capitol. >> tim, the record is so clear. of donald trump's culpability for the combat that sergeant ganell went through that day and the fellow officers. what do you feel in terms of the potential or the prospect for real accountability for trumped role? >> i still think we're going to get there. i really do. this might sound like a long

time adherent to the criminal justice system, someone who's worked within it for years, but i believe while it's moving too slowly and i wish we had gotten there faster, that his day of reckoning, his day in court, is coming. i think there's plenty the special counsel has charged and will continue to assert in an ultimate trial that survives the supreme court's immunity ruling. there's plenty of conduct that is either not official, wasn't done by the former president in his role as president, but rather as a candidate or even as it was, arguably within his official capacity, the government can overcome the presumption of immunity because prosecution will not impair the executive function. again, i wish that we had crossed these bridges. these legal questions months ago, but we're going to cross them and i believe that the case will continue to survive and will move forward. now, look, if he wins the

election and the special counsel is dismissed and the case is gone, we won't get there, but assuming that does not happen, i still think even after the immunity case, there's a really strong chance of accountability in the form of a criminal conviction. >> most authentic thing you've ever said, tim. go ahead. >> that exactly the reason why he shouldn't be nowhere near the white house because of that. he's going to try to use his position of power to seek revenge on those who accuse him of wrong doing and also to get rid of the evidence. and charges as well. look, three days ago, i just post a 28 minutes of my day on january 6th. it's horrific. just brings me back to those memories. that was put together by the online sleuth. i hope that you guys watch it. because it is, it tells you exactly what i went through and that's only about 80% of what i

did on that day. and i wasn't doing it because of democracy. i wasn't doing it because i frame it one quality of the other. i was actually doing my job and keeping my oath and i thought i was going the right thing. giving those elected officials, your representatives. didn't matter to me whether that was nancy pelosi, chuck schumer or kevin mccarthy. i was doing my job the same way for both sides and thinking at the end of the day, once we survive that, that there will come, come together and do what's best for the country. >> if you come back, we'll play it and start and stop it and have you talk us through it. as we were getting ready for the segment, i wasn't sure about that. but if that's something that's important for people to have in front of them -- >> anytime. >> okay. well, let's do that. that's important information for the voters to have.

it's something we were trying to navigate respectfully, but if you come back, we'll play it. we'll talk through it and bring tim back to add more context and atmospherics that he learned from the investigation. >> i appreciate your willingness to focus on real victims is important. we spend a lot of time talking about legal issues and politics, but there are real people who were injured. who continue to live with the scars of that day. sergeant akino is one of many. there's a human element of that that we can't lose in this sort of high minded talk about democracy. and i appreciate sergeant akino's courage in being able to relive it because it's difficult to go through again. >> i don't mind -- >> go ahead. >> i don't mind reliving it. look, i went to just about a week ago, i went to court. the guy who won, the guy who assaulted me received 20 years.

for assaulting myself and about seven other officers. that is justice to me. that is, those are the people that donald trump wants to pardon. convicted felons. those are people, not hostages. those people are not patriots. those people are rioters who assaulted a police officer and they should be locked up. >> all right. we will do that. we have a plan. and we'll do it together. thank you both for joining us today. and for offering that up for us. thank you very much. >> thanks. >> thank you very having me. >> another break. we'll be right back. me. >> another break we'll be right back. wait, there's an elevator? only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, ♪ ♪ liberty. ♪ (vo) when the internet said “red lobster's going away...” your boy, flavor flav, said “not today!” crabfest is here, boy. and they got two flavors: roasted garlic and new cajun butter. when you gotta have seafood, you gotta have red lobster.

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in another bid to delay, delay, delay, donald trump's lawyers want new york judge merchan to push his sentencing in the election interference trial to sometime after the november presidential election. judge merchan is currently set to rule on how the supreme court's immunity ruling impacts the case on september, which is only two days before he is scheduled to sentence the ex-president. now, trump's lawyers are arguing sentencing should be delayed so they have time to appeal if judge merchan rejects trump's bid. it's a long shot bid with

politico reporting quote, merchan already pushed the sentencing and noted in a recent filing the september 18th sentencing date remains unchanged. for our part, we want to thank you for letting us into your homes during these truly extraordinary times. we are grateful. the beat with jason johnson in for ari starts now. hi, jason. great to see you. >> you, too. thanks so much. welcome to the beat. i'm jason johnson. we start with the wild contrast in mood and momentum between two campaigns. the pictures tell the story. kamala harris and joe biden holding a campaign event with a fired up crowd. later, donald trump holding a solo conference about sputtering and flailing on the campaign trial. biden and harris appearing in maryland.

their first joint event since biden dropped out. it was billed as a white house event about medicare and prescription drug prices which might sound dry, but the energy was high. here was the long line outside in the middle of a thursday afternoon and trust me, i know maryland. that is hard to get there by traffic. harris and biden literally embracing each other on stage. the crowd was also feeling the love. >> and today, we take the next step, thank you, joe. forward in our fight. >> thank you joe. thank you, joe! >> biden and harris both shouting each other out. >> it is my eternal and great, great, great honor. i have to tell you, to serve with this most extraordinary human being. >> thank you, kamala. >> i could speak all afternoon about the person that i am standing on this stage w