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weekend." it was yet another busy week, so let's get right to some of the conversations you might have missed. >> amy, i think when you were here before in july, we were probably talking about joe biden. the trump people were talking about how they were going to win. they were measuring the curtains, et cetera, et cetera. i think then we could say it's only july. now, it's only august. but it's still early, again, quoting churchill or the 18th time. at least it's now sort of the end of the beginning. looking at numbers from swing states, what are you finding? >> yeah. you're right. this race has been reset, certainly, since may, but even since july when president biden dropped out. look, back in may, we did. we saw biden trailing in all of the swing states or at best tied. right now, harris is either leading or tied with trump in those swing states.

there's one state, nevada, which she's still trailing in. but overall, if you look at those seven swing states, harris is up, again, within the margin but up 48, 47, biden was up by three points. it's what we've been seeing in surveys which are coming out in the last week or so. how long she has been burdened, shall we say, by her association with the administration. she's the sitting vice president. and yet, 59% of voters in these swing states think that she is basically the change candidate. she's turning the page from trump and biden. she is a generational change, obviously. but they believe that, too. and even though trump is ahead on issues like immigration and the economy, on inflation, obviously, the number one issue

for so many voters, she's only trailing trump by six points. i think if biden were -- you know, were biden in this race, it would be a much bigger margin. >> andy, when you were here with the polls that showed so much of the race that swung towards donald trump, there was among democrats, midsummer, the debate was a disaster. joe biden, we love the guy, but he's too old. i'm not going to vote for donald trump, but i think i'm sitting this out. that -- >> i think that's exactly what we're seeing, those voters who are parking themselves in i'm going to vote for jfk jr. or undecided have now come back to democrats. what's interesting jfk jr. is now a problem for trump, than he is for harris. again, many of her voters, now coming back to her. but the rfk voter, just by

profile, is somebody who should be or would be more -- would be more interested in voting for donald trump. >> so, amy, is it overstating to indicate that the movement of voters back towards the vice president were sitting on the fence or just not thinking about things, is it a combination of relief and gratitude. gratitude towards the president for withdrawing, and relief, as you pointed out, a sitting vice president of the united states is now someone new? >> she's new. and i do wonder, if she weren't a woman, if it weren't as historic as it is, if you would have that level of movement and intensity. because she literally is, even if you don't know much about politics, you're not following this day to day, you've been hearing and seeing from two older white guys for a long time. and all of a sudden, here comes this woman who doesn't look or act or sound like anything

you've seen before in politics. and suddenly, it's, like, huh, i'm going to listen in. she's getting the benefit of the doubt that is quite remarkable for president. >> so what we're seeing, it's not that donald trump is losing support but rather, kamala harris has gained support, as amy just said. and i think it's particularly of note as you talk to democrats, now they feel younger voters coming home. and voters of color. and that's just a coalition that she has to build among the cities and states? >> yeah, it feels like folks coming home, rather than her moving undecided voters to the democratic column. there's obviously a huge difference. now, in an era of mobilization, getting them moving is crucial,

mobilization matters a lot. the key for her is the next stage which is persuasion, which is moving democratic voters. positive where biden was, but still challenging for a democratic candidate for president. look, it's not ideal to be losing narrowly in nevada and basically be tied in pennsylvania right now because if you lose those two states, the path to the white house gets really complicated for a democrat. but obviously, it's a lot better than a few months ago. it's important to point out, what she's done, she's stabilized downballots. there were so many senate democratic candidates worried they are now toast because biden were at the top of the ticket. at the very least now, she's helped stabilize candidates looking for volunteers, looking for support. and all of that dried up over the summer and now at least i

think a lot of people down-ballot feel better about their chances. >> yeah. in a case like this, a rising tide really does lift all votes. >> yes. >> it really does. that's exactly what's happening here. donny, are we saying, as young voters coming home to democrats was anecdotal before, and now we see the numbers that that is happening. i suspect that will happen to happen. you know, that was joe biden's biggest challenge. as has been pointed out here, it's not that donald trump is losing voters, it's that kamala harris is picking up voters who were staying away. younger voters coming home, people of color voters coming home. women, more women, moving to kamala harris and her direction. i think, especially important, though, even though they don't vote as much as older voters,

younger voters, the energy that is now behind kamala harris is just so striking. and i say that, mainly anecdotally. >> yeah, probably. >> there are so many younger voters that were going to sit it out just had no connection to joe biden but now want to volunteer. that want to go to rallies. that want to make phone calls. it's pretty striking just the difference a month makes. >> two words and you guys are talking about it. hope and change. if you look back to the last 30 years when the democrats have had that enthusiasm, that kind of wave that we're feeling with bill clinton. i worked on bill clinton's campaign in 1992. did advertising, of course, with barack obama. you had that open and change. hillary clinton, you couldn't sell that and she lost. joe biden, he won, he squeaked it out but there wasn't that enthusiasm, why? because you couldn't sell hope and change.

when you have that, it's almost unbeatable. you mentioned almost every constituency, young people, people of color, they want change. pretty much everybody wants that. even if you're happy in life. you say, do you want more hope? you want more change? yeah. that's what the cook reporter is saying, that's what the anecdotal is saying. when have those magic words. donald trump can stand on his head, certainly can't give you hope and change. bill clinton, barack obama, change. >> the word is joy. you contrast that with donald trump on x for two hours with elon musk, just laying out his grievances, a very different picture there. a number inside of your report, amy, that will harton the harris campaign which is the independent number. three months ago, donald trump in your analysis, plus three,

now, harris, plus eight. that's a big number. >> it's a big movement. independent women. to jonathan's point when you look at undecided voters, people who say maybe i'll vote third party. they're cross-pressured on the following. they feel very anxious about the economy. they do feel like inflation is getting worse on a higher level than the overall electorate. they don't like donald trump personally. i feel like we're just rerunning this same playbook for a long time now of voters who say, well, i kind of liked his policies when he was president, i don't really like how he acts. and so those voters, how harris talks to those voters, how she's able to, as jonathan pointed out, persuade them, that she's going to be able to deliver for them. and more important, if trump can stay on the message about the economy. but, again, i feel like we have this conversation over and over

again. if only he would stick to a message on the thing that he's actually winning on. >> yeah. >> now, that's -- a lot of people inside the campaign and republican party would like him to do the same thing. j-martin, the numbers have shifted where we are right now, if you look at all of these numbers, kind of where we were a month ago, as far as this race being close. >> yeah. >> this is still tied. this race is tied right now. >> yeah. >> now, it's tied with a slight lean to harris a month ago. >> yes. >> a month ago it was tied were a slight lean except in north carolina and nevada if you look at the numbers in may with the slight lean and the states that make a huge difference. so, you know, it's harris plus two. now in arizona, it was trump plus one.

tied in georgia, it was trump plus three. you go down the list, everything is set for nevada and north carolina. those are all within the margin of error. >> yeah. >> this race is tied. >> yeah. joe, we're in an era of political trench warfare, this is world war i in american politics. amy mentioned the same conversation we've all been having for nine years yeah because 24 a 51/49 country. democrats have the advantage. it's a toss-up vote and it has been for the last three presidential elections. joe, two things, first of all, if you look at north carolina, in that graphic. it does show the possibility that kamala harris could galvanize black voters in a way we haven't seen since 2012 in american politics. look at that number there where she obviously has moved numbers in georgia and north carolina,

both states, with significant black populations. boy, if she could win georgia and north carolina, that really, really changes the equation, because obviously, it creates less pressure on her to carry all three of those states in the great lakes. one other fast point, joe, i'd add that kamala harris has something else going for her which is luck. she has robert kennedy jr. with a gilded last namepolitics. who has run adjacent to a crack spot with the stories about odd behavior and campaigned since may. so she's been gifted a third party challenger who has really fallen, i think, because of his own actions. i think that has been helpful, too, amy, because she's not have somebody taking votes, ala ross perot from a flag that could have been damaging.

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carolina, donald trump made several false claims about the economy, what he accomplished during his time in office. joining us with a fact-check have an official, steve rattner. steve, at the great wall. let's dive right in. first up, here's what donald trump said yesterday about the economy during his administration. >> we had the strongest economy in history. there's never been a country that had an economy like ours. i gave harris and biden an economic miracle. and they quickly turned it into an economic nightmare. >> steve this is an oft-repeated claim with donald trump that he's had the strongest economy of all time. what's the truth about that. >> not only did he not have the strongest economy of all time,

he didn't even have the strongest economy of last two presidents. the best measure of economy is the growth rate, gdp growth rate. when you compare the two, i have adjusted out covid in fairness to both presidents although you see it doesn't actually change the picture. trump grew his economy at the rate of 2.6% a year which is actually not a bad rate. that excludes covid. economy at 3.5% a year. if you take out the effects of covid, the disparity is even greater. i've done this as honestly as i can do it, no matter how you do it, it didn't come out in trump's favor. even against biden even around 5,000 economies around the world. secondly, you can look at jobs, that's the second most important thing to americans. i've adjusted out covid. 271,000 jobs on average created

by biden. again, if you take out covid, the disparity is far greater. so that is one of his most preposterous claims. >> numbers don't chi. cooking along and covid came, that's not my fault. we can talk about that even more. but even adjusted for covid, you're saying joe biden has had the better economy. let's move on to energy. this is former president trump talking an american oil and energy independent. >> we were energy independent power years ago, think of it, today, we're getting energy from venezuela in the form of tar. >> steve what do the numbers show? >> well, first of all, we were were never energy independent under donald trump. in fact, we have never been energy independent going back to around 1950. this is part of a long progression that goes back to the mid-20s. it's nothing that he

particularly did. it continued under bide. and lo and behold, the first time we've been energy independent when applies to oil is 2023 under biden when we exported more oil than we imported. trump is held up on venezuela, it is a fact as trump said, that venezuelan oil is bad oil. it's very heavy, it's have polluting. but look what happened with venezuela oil imports over the last 7 1/2 years. under trump, we averaged 10.3 million barrels of venezuelan oil per day coming into this country. under biden, we're down to $1.7 barrels a day. idea that biden is the one who brought in the venezuela oil is absolutely directly convicted by the numbers. >> as often the case, exactly the opposite is true, what donald trump says, in fact, we're not running on venezuelan tar. let's talk about migrant crime.

donald trump yesterday in north carolina went on a tangent, though he claims is a surge in might go crime. here's what he said. >> they all said i was wrong when i said that migrant crime would reach epidemic proportions. it's a lot worse than that, it's a lot worse than epidemic proportions. it's beyond control. we have a new category of crime, it's called migrant crime. and i think it's going to be end up being the worst category of all. >> all right, steve, what does the data show. >> well, you know, it was supposed to be an economic speech and he can't help himself, he has to go off on things like immigration and border. first of all, let's talk crime in general. he likes to think the country is in the middle some of crime wave, that is actually not true. violent crime per 100,000 people has dropped 26% under joe biden, average of 398 per thousand people down to 294.

what is even more amazing, and the fact ended trump's administration slightly higher than when it began or certainly at best, most favorably, you can't see any improvement under trump's administration. all of the improvement has been under the biden administration. the fallacy of migrant crime. if you read the "new york post" you think, of course, all crime was committed by migrants. we've talked about this before. it's really quite dramatic. if you break crime down between native-born americans, documented immigrants and undocumented immigrants. you can see the native-born crime rate is actually higher for documented immigrants and way higher than it is for undocumented immigrants. that's true whether you look at violent crime or property time or drug violations. immigrant actions commit fewer crimes than americans. they don't want to get sent back

to wherever they came from, so they tend to behave themselves better than a lot of americans than a lot of undocumented immigrants so this is a complete fiction that donald trump has created. >> steve, right on cue, the new york post on its cover has an 11-year-old venezuelan child in handcuffs talking about the problem you just outlined. great charts, telling the truth as always, steve. before i let you go, i asked you about the inflation number yesterday that came down 2.9% year over year, what does it mean for the economy? >> this is good news. trump acknowledged yesterday. it's the lowest innation rate since 2021. it's getting close to the fed's target of 2%. that combined with suggestions that they're starting to pull back and weaken has sod fied by a rate cut by the fed in september. that's good news for homeowners. it's good news for borrowers, it's good news to generally getting the economy going a

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you've been involved in politics for a very long time. you've run for president yourself. talk about what you're seeing here. and if you've ever seen this at anytime in your life, other than, say, barack obama in 2008? >> no. what you're looking at is that across the country, you're looking in different locations. different regions of the country. and the numbers only got larger. i mean, philly, michigan and nevada, shows that this is real. and the numbers i've not seen other than 2008 with obama. and i think the obama numbers, in terms of the large turnouts, were late in the campaign. this is august. this is very early. >> oh, my gosh. >> in terms of she's not hopefully peaking. if the numbers keep increasing, it will be unbelievable by the

october. and i've always cautioned people who comment don't peak early. i think, when you look this is in different regions of the country, it is multiracial. i think people have not talked about the diversity of the crowd and the span of age. young and old. this is not a black rally. or white rally or old rally or young rally. it is something that is encompassed and united a lot of people which is real politically very, very positive for her. and shows that it has real cultural impact. we've not seen anything like this. >> and, yet, in a series of social media posts, donald trump has been spreading misinformation, claiming the harris campaign has been using artificial intelligence to fake the crowds. in one post, trump included a photo from harris' rally in detroit, writing, quote, look, we caught her with a fake crowd.

there was nobody there. the harris campaign hit that writing, one, this is an actual photo of a 15,000-person crowd for harris/walz in michigan. two, trump has still not campaigned in a swing state in over a week. low energy? using his words there. meanwhile at a hamptons fund-raiser earlier this month, some of donald trump's wealthiest donors hoped the republican nominee would signal that he was recalibrating after a series of damaging mistakes. he did not. "the new york times" reports according to two people present trump revived once again, his office claims about the 2020 electioning those present, quote, we have got to stop the steal. claims his advisers had urged him to drop, because they don't help him with swing voters. the "times" continues, trump was asked how he planned to take the narrative back from democrats.

and what his positive vision for the country would be. it appeared to be a request for reassurance, mr. trump provided none, though. instead, he criticized miss harris on a range of fronts, before adding i am who i am. joining the conversation. we have the co-host of "the weekend" former spokesperson to kamala harris. symone sanders-townsend and staff writer jonathan nicoles. jonathan lemire, donald trump, he holds on to these things real tight. and i get the feeling that he has not that the ground has shifted underneath him. >> he continues with the past when campaigns really should be about the future. i've talked to people in trump orbit in recent days who echo

this almost real panic they have that trump simply cannot adjust to how the race has changed. and he's telling the big lie, still, about the 2020 election. and now he's also tells lot of lies about crowd size and the like. >> katty, i want to go to you, and then to symone. there is deep resentment, donald trump telling people at that fund-raiser, they rigged the election in 2020 and stole it from me. the deep state tried to kill me. and now basically saying they're trying to rig this election, too. and i thought it was -- i thought it was just one of those defining moments. when they kept trying to get him at his fund-raiser to talk about inflation. tried to get him to talk about the border. tried to get him talking about the economy. and his response was -- and he's right, he said, i am who i am.

if anybody is expecting another year from donald trump, then they're sadly mistaken, he is who he is. and i think he's decided he's going to win or lose doing exactly what we saw him do this weekend. >> yeah. i mean, he -- just off the shooting, against him, he, for a very short period of time, said he was going to play nice. he was asked to play nice. he said, i have been asked to be nice. he did it for a few days and then announced that's over now. and back to who he is. donald trump firmly believed that in 2016 he won that election because he was who he was. because he ran the campaign the way he wanted it to be. and because he said outrageous things. and now that he's kind of reverting to type in 2024. he's going to try that same playbook again. the problem is, that all of the poll numbers, the money, is now shifting against him. i mean, i think the comparison

with 2008 is apt. this feeling like a freight train. something could go wrong, if it goes wrong, kamala harris will have to recover fast because there isn't much time. symone, even if you look at that number, back in february, joe biden was 29 points behind donald trump when it came to handling the economy. kamala harris, just six points behind. it's moving against him. >> the numbers on the polls are in fact, remarkable. as i've been talking to folks over the last couple of days, a lot of democratic strategists are excited about what they're seeing in the numbers. our republican friends are nervous pipe would caution folks the way presidential races are ran and won are in fact not on national polls, state by state, district by state.

i think the battleground is more indicative of where folks are. it's still a little early, though, when we look at posts -- i would argue, post-convention, beginning of september, that's when things start to settle. september 7th or 6th, people start voting. next to tim walz, a self-described dormant republican, joins us to talk to us about his former teacher. we'll be right back. here's to getting better with age. here's to beating these two every thursday. help fuel today with boost high protein,

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♪♪ self-described dormant republican and former high school student of tim walz admits he didn't always agree with his former teacher politically, but said walz served as his school as conscience. describing him as an educator who challenged students to consider the value of empathy. and a man who sticks to his convictions. doug votes, a 2004 graduate of mankato west high school, recently wrote an opinion piece which had this title "a memo from the trump campaign from a former walz student and dormant republican." he joined us now from minneapolis. thanks for being here. we appreciate it. let's start with your impression. what sort of teacher was tim walz? >> good morning. thanks for having me. my story in terms of being a student of tim walz isn't unique. i think that it's a compliment that when we were kids and

before his political career began, folks had a tough time figuring out what his political leanings were. you know, we knew him as a national guardsman. and a gun owner, but also somebody that cared deeply for equality for everyone. so, you know, when it was announced that he eventually was going to run for congress, i think it was in 2006, folks were interested in whether -- which side of the ticket he was going to run on. but, all of the stories that have come out from students over the last ten days or so, since the announcement, had some commonality, i think, and it's around his embracing of hard conversations. and a leader that he was, in that small little high school, in that small town in minnesota. and i think that's why he was pulled into public life. >> yeah. coach walz is what we hear a lot

from, from the vice president. you describe yourself as a dormant republican. do you think that walz speaks to others like you who might say, you know what, i've been turned off by donald trump. i haven't always felt on this side of the aisle. but, you know what, tim walz, that's a guy i could support? >> yeah, i think especially in presidential politics, there's a larger swath that folks need to c or at least want to consider character over ideology. and i think that if you look through a character lens, at this election, i'm not sure how you could really look past the harris/walz ticket. and before we get to a policy debate, hopefully the race is where most of us on the

political spectrum, even beyond policy on just decisionmaking and judgment, i think in that way, the harris/walz ticket does indeed appeal to us. >> you characterized walz as everyone's favorite teacher. >> right. >> can you explain to us why you all liked him so much? >> well, i think that you knew that you were going to learn something. and i think that that's maybe oversimplified, but i think he's a teacher and a human that embraces the fact you that may wake up in the morning and go to bed later that night, and have new ideas go into your brain. i think that he encouraged all of us to be curious. whereas, i think this, especially the tenor of this campaign up until the last couple of weeks has been one of

closed mindedness. so, he is not afraid of introducing and giving voice necessarily to ideas that he didn't agree with. and i think that's something that we all want to -- in order to, you know, create useful conversation. i think we all need to feel open with sharing how we actually feel. in high school, that was something that he encourage that wasn't always par for the course i think. >> i think that is right. former student of tim walz, doug vose, thank you for joining us this morning. up next, we'll talk to actor walter goggins about his hole in the highly acclaimed series "fallout" which has been nominated for 17 emmy awards. stay with us. put them in check with rinvoq. rinvoq works differently and it's a once-daily pill. when symptoms tried to take control, i got rapid relief with rinvoq. check. when flares tried to slow me down, i got lasting steroid-free remission with rinvoq. check.

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radioactive corner. let's bring in one of the stars of "fallout," walton goggins, nominated for an emmy for his performance. walton, let me say this, my kids, they're a little older, and they're all saying you got to see this show. it's based on a video game. people that know me know, that's the wrong way in. that's like saying, dad, you need to watch the crochet network for the next three weeks, right? >> yeah. >> but i started watching and i was really hooked. and in large part, because of your story. man, i got to say, it takes the viewer everywhere. and the final scene, i won't ruin it for everybody, but the final scene is, oh, my god. okay, now, we're starting to understand. i'm going to ask you what it was like when you first got to read the script and got to see the range of emotions that your character was going to play? it's really remarkable.

>> thank you very much for saying that. it was geneva and graham, geneva and graham, our writers. we had this lovely phone call, a zoom. i wasn't familiar with the game either. my son is 13 years old and he plays games. don't feel so bad that you didn't really know the game. that's not really my way into it either. it all comes down to the story. when i read the script for the very first time. i was so taken, i just had the first read. i was taken by the first seven minutes of the show. and the dropping of the bombs, the moment before the world changes. i was there -- i'm not giving anything away with an actor, my daughter. being the father of a

13-year-old, i was not prepared for how visceral that experience would be for me, on the other side of it, it is very visceral for the audience and people watching it. and then ten minutes later, you find yourself laughing. it really has a foot in drama, but a foot in satirical comedy and calls no political punches. it's a very, very tough needle to thread. and we just did the best we could do. and i'm so grateful for the experience. >> and you see your character from the beginning, this star, this tv star who is now doing birthday parties. but you can see that he's doing it in large part because he's connected to his daughter. he wants to be with his daughter. he wants to help his daughter. and, again, remarkable wind through the season, where at the end of the season, you think, we

don't know, so, i'm not ruining anything. but you think there may be, in fact, a reunion. you sort of end up where you began. and it's really, again, incredible turn there. >> thank you. thank you. thank you very, very much. yeah, we'll see where it goes. thankfully, we have that pickup. and so, we're going to go back to work, you know, relatively soon, whenever that happens. but, yeah, it was an incredible experience. and i get to play two characters. the ghoul which is a bounty hunter who has been roaming the post apocalyptic waste land for 200 years. but he has a name, as you mentioned, it's cooper howard. and it's through his experience that we get to see the world and what the world was like before the bombs dropped. and it was just so exciting to get to play these two people and to figure out how they speak to each other over this amount of time. and i just kind of settled on

swagger, charisma and sense of humor. >> yeah. well, and it certainly worked. and jonathan lemire, you know, you have seen -- we've seen post-apocalyptic thrillers in the past where you have somebody that's going to search for something. and, of course, we don't know what the ghoul is searching for until the end. and in fact, he's looking for his family. yeah, it's very cool how they turn it. it reminds me of a good bit of denzel washington. and one of my favorite movies that i can't remember right now. >> i do it all the time. >> joe, we've all been there. >> book of eli, book of eli! . >> walton, joe was leading us there, we have seen post-apocalyptic films before.

what makes this difference? explain to us why, the visuals are compelling, but tell us why creating that wall is so important? >> it starts with the source material, based on the game fallout by bethesda. it's a property that means everything in the world that todd howard and people at that institution. and they built a world that was almost four-dimensional, really. we just picked up and it's an original story within that canon. and inherent in that dna is a sense of humor, and not a parody, but certainly, a satire, that i think is often missing in post-apocalyptic shows. they've been around, they're cyclical, aren't they? they've been around for 80 years. people are interested in that topic. you know, the world's a pretty scary place right now and a lot of this is probably on people's

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proud of this country and they know we are the greatest country in the world. we have fed more people and freed more people than any other country ever. our economy is stronger than ever. our military is stronger relative to the rest of the world than ever. i keep talking about the goodness of america and the greatness of america because you have one party that keeps tearing down america, and i will tell you, yesterday, we can talk about cheerios and all that other stuff, but yesterday , along these lines, donald trump actually did something that once again, undermines the greatness of america. the resulted recipients of the medal of honor. the comment was one of the s first things he said while he h was talk in at another event yesterday at his golf club in new jersey. and that was about anti- semitism, while praising the awardee of the medal of freedom in 2018, and then he went on

and he argued that it is better to get a civilian award then to get an award given to american heroes who are given those awards because of sacrifice to their country in war. you are not going to believe -- well, actually if you listen to what general kelly said and what jeff loveland has written, you v will believe it. this is what he said yesterday. d >> i have to say, i watched sheldon sitting so proud in the white house when we give miriam the presidential medal of freedom. that is the highest award you can get as a civilian, the equivalent of the congressional medal of honor, but the civilian version. that is actually much better because everybody gets the congressional medal of honor that soldiers are either in very bad shape because they have been in so many times and

bullets, or they are dead. she gets it and she is a healthy beautiful woman, it is great. >> i mean, first of all, jeff goldblum did say i think the outtakes of the fly, but it is friday morning. and general kelly said that he just did not understand the sacrifice that our men and women have made and called them suckers and losers and asking general kelly why would somebody sacrifice themselves ? what is in it for them ? and then yesterday saying a civilian award was much better because you do not have to get shot up with bullets or die to get those awards. he has a long history of disparaging veterans and servicemembers. servicemembers. >> he does. this is shock and but not surprising because of the pattern. this is the way that he thinks about people who serve the country in uniform.

and 2015 he mocked late senator john mccain for having been a prisoner of war. "i like people who were not captured." he repeatedly questioned the intelligence of servicemembers and roasted wounded veterans be excluded from military parades. he canceled a trip to pay respects to america's war dead, asking staff members, "why should i go to that cemetery, it is filled with losers?" talking about americans who died in war. in a separate conversation he referred to the 1800 marines who lost their lives as suckers for getting killed. and when a u.s. navy seal was killed in yemen, trump passed the blame to his general saying, "they lost ryan." eugene robinson though, that clip really captures donald trump, doesn't it? it is infuriating for those of

us who have respect for veterans and those who have earned the medal of honor that he does not understand the sacrifice of the people who earned that award. but if you are famous and you are rich and he perceives you as beautiful and you meet the casting call, you are the real winner. winner. >> there is something really warped inside of him, there really is. just something you know, i guess the word weird is overused, but in all that we just played is weird and it is just appalling that he would speak of america's heroes that way you know. the heroes, many of whom made the ultimate sacrifice for their country and he simply does not get it. he doesn't understand. there is a connection there that is not being made and you

know, you saw it the four years he was president and boy, if he ever became president again i would really worry about this country because of that emptiness, that lack of empathy, that lack of patriotism. it is just not there. it is not there. >> you covered the former president and you have written about the former president and we see him on tv every day. one part of us, i don't know about you, part of me is not surprised by these comments because donald trump is a singular act, he does not understand and cannot comprehend what it is like to be part of a unit, whether it is a company of soldiers or a platoon or a group of people in an office, he does not understand the idea of group

effort. what was your view, when you heard that tape played earlier, when he is talking about the dangers to jewish people? >> yeah. alex is going to play it. >> toxic poison of anti- semitism now courses through the veins of radical democrat party. i mean, this is a radical, radical group of people. i never thought i would see that either. they have gone crazy and instead of expunging this hatred, kamala harris is pandering to it. you will be all right if you have the right president. if you have the wrong president, like her, you don't have a chance. e. >> yeah. so i had not seen both that and the comments about the congressional medal recipients until this morning. i have seen the hour and a half long news conference, and you know, look, like you, mike.

i watched the whole thing and at times it is painful but it also gets at this weird dichotomy around trump which is that on the one hand we all sort of talk at him. he is talking about cheerios and making comments about the price of goods from in front of his country club. i mean the disconnect there is profound. he is at his country club. and then minutes later he is denigrating people injured in the line of service and that to me symbolizes him. we can kind of grow numb to it a little bit and on the other hand you still get shocked by what he says. and i will say that as a matter of politics, and i know this is not about politics, but it does not matter, let's talk about this. he started the press conference literally the first word out of his mouth was kamala harris has

destroyed the world, the world, okay ? once you start at that level it is tough to up the ante. if you have destroyed the world you cannot go much further than that. so i'm not sure that served him well to start at that level. and look i mean -- the republican campaign right now is going really aggressively to grounds he exaggerated his service and that he ducked out of serving in iraq right before his unit was deployed because he wanted to pursue a political career. as i read trump's remarks, tim walz should be celebrated, because who would want to risk service? so i don't see how they can on the one hand cues tim walz of doing what he did and then trump saying only suckers go and serve in the real medal recipients are those who get the presidential medal of

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in maryland yesterday touting the new agreement to cut certain drug prices. ces. >> and the front page of the new york times today talks about the billions of dollars, the billions of dollars this program is going to save, and it is really telling that not a single republican, they claim to be fiscally conservative and want free markets, none of that, they did not want to make these big pharma companies negotiate with medicare. joe biden got it done and there will be billions and billions of dollars worth of savings for the taxpayers in the years to come. >> with democratic enthusiasm on the rise, new polling shows the doubleheaders, voters that dislike both the democrats take and the republican presidential candidates has been cut in half after kamala harris joined the race. according to the latest poll,

just 8% of voters do not have a favorable view of harris or pumpãtrump. one biden was leading it was more than double, 17% did not have a favorable view of either candidate. so, joining us now, the national politics reporter for the boston globe. his new piece is entitled harris and trump, and not focusing on policy, instead the campaigns are driven by emotions and vibes. >> this is all very shocking. this is never happened before. camelot, hope and change, morning in america. these campaigns are about to vibes, aren't they ? so often it is -- you know, the turn of a phrase. ronald reagan's there you go again, or again, obama hope and change that wins the day.

>> yeah, there is an overall theme and when you ran for congress in 1994, you know, you ran on the contract with america and then george w. bush put out an entire book on policy and late-night jokes were about the al gore lockbox. you can go through every election where we had specific policy ideas for a specific problem facing the country. but underneath it, on this campaign right now, voters are not demanding the specifics and this seems to be about something much bigger. i'm not saying it is good or bad but an observation that so far this campaign is not one based on how exactly we fix problems with the economy or the border. e border. >> james, good morning. can you speak to how extraordinarily those vibes that you write about this morning have shifted in the

last month? it was doom and gloom for the democrats after the debate and they thought there was a sense of resignation, okay, donald trump is going to win, how do we lockdown the senate and the house so he cannot run roughshod through washington? and how quickly things have changed in terms of those vibes. vibes. >> you know, even if you want to go back to 2020, people, democrats were saying joe biden is not my favorite person but the only democrat that can be donald trump and it turned out to be true. it was such a tight election it was probably true and this time it is he is not my favorite democrat, but maybe he is the only one that we have god. he is the president. but now there is a different vibe shift and democrats think maybe we actually can win this election. and we talked about the doubleheaders earlier and the enthusiasm gap is obvious. and this still feels like a honeymoon. hopefully it lasts through the convention next week and we

will see what happens with the first major challenge if it ever happens. >> i was going to hapask you, do they bottle this up? we have 83 days or something like that and we have the convention and then the debates. she has a war chest unlike anything we have seen for the advertisements, but at some point do things get choppy ? how do you foresee that happening? >> as one source put it to me, this presidential campaign is not exactly a roller coaster. it feels like it, but it is really a kitty roller coaster. the margins of up-and-down are still with one, two or three points. and obviously we expect this to be a longer campaign and september will be critical when it comes to the presidential debate or anything else that could happen but what kamala harris is doing right now is changing the elect oral map. we are not just talking about the blue wall states which we

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diabetes, prevent strokes and blood clots. the discounted prices will see a drop of up to 79%. the white house says the savings are so significant that if they had been in place last year it would have saved medicare $6 million. joining us now, the u.s. department of health and human services secretary, xavier becerra. mr. secretary, these are drugs many people take to basically stay alive. a so what are the savings they will see? how does it work ? how did you do this? >> yeah, so it is done, the negotiations are done and the prices are final. they will be put into the system and they will take effect for people will on january 1 2026. it was a long process, almost a year long negotiation and the savings are significant, more than what the congressional

budget office, the budget estimator for congress, said it would be. >> what kind of a difference will people see actually at the cash register, picking up there drugs at the pharmacy? you have drugs for diabetes and chronic kidney disease and heart failure. but give us a sense of what the numbers are. ers are. >> because you know the system, the health system is so complicated and made complicated so they can take money without being obvious but in the program , you and i as taxpayers and folks who work to be able to earn their medicare, we paid into our taxes to shore up the medicare program and then once you are a medicare beneficiary you sometimes have to add a copayment out of your own pocket for that drug. those copayments, that is what you pay out-of-pocket and that will come down. the estimate is by about $1.5 billion for those americans who

take these 10 drugs because we were able to drive the cost down significantly, so the program saves $6 billion in the first year, but americans who are beneficiaries within medicare who have to pay out-of- pocket will save an additional $1.5 billion collect of lee. >> so if you are on medicare part d and you get your prescriptions, how much will you save in january 2026 and why isn't it january 1, 2025? >> we would love it to be september 1, 2024, but you have to give time for the new pricing to be put into the system all over the country. congress called for it to be affect the of january 2026 and we will start the negotiation for the next round of 15 drugs that will take effect in

january 2027, so it will go on like that. i cannot give you a specific number because each person has different insurance within the medicare program and pays a different amount out of their pocket, but they will save money because we are reducing the overall cost of drugs and there for the insurers within medicare can save money and pass that on to those who are on the system. >> first of all, to follow up on what mike was just saying, it seems implausible in this day and age that it would take a year to get drug prices in the system. can't that be done much quicker than that? and second, what impact might this have on research and development, which is something drug companies say they cannot lower prices. wer prices. >> we could have it in effect sooner, but by law it is supposed to take effect january 1, 2026. by law, we had to announce the price negotiation completion of it by september 1 of this year,

so we are slightly ahead, but congress passed this drug provision and were specific and a lot of the items in one of them was, when we had to complete the negotiations and when the new prices would take effect congress could come back in next month and say we would rather have them take effect as quickly as possible. then we will do everything we can to implement everything that they say but january 1, 2026 is when they take effect in the second question was -- >> r&d, what they often say -- >> well, we will listen to what they said themselves to wall street and their investors. they have said that they can absorb the savings that medicare will see. they never indicated that they're going to have to cut back on research and development. innovation will continue because we reduce the price, they are still making money. >> all right, hhs secretary, xavier becerra. we appreciate it.

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nearly doubled the number of signatures wired and there is and is now the seventh state that will include a ballot measure about abortion access this november and at least throw others have these measures pending. and claire, you look at what is happening in nevada, what is happening in arizona and what is happening in florida, there is a constitutional amendment that will be on the ballot in florida to overturn the six week band there. donald trump would not even tell people how he was going to vote on that amendment, whether he was going to vote to overturn it or not. but this obviously -- this is going to -- has got to be seen as a win for democrats as far as helping the turnout and we have seen this before in 2004 in another world it seems and republicans put on, as you will remember, a series of same-sex marriage bans, hoping to get

more voters out and now the shoe is on the other foot, so to speak. it seems social issues like abortion actually motivate democrats more to get out and vote. how will this impact arizona, nevada, and possibly florida? >> i think it is good news. particularly in arizona and in nevada for the presidential race. great news for the senate races in all three states. first of all, it does drive low propensity voters that care about this issue. frankly, they have gotten very tired and it is divisive and back and forth politics. and keep in mind, a lot of people will tune out in the last 30 days because the commercials online and traditional media sources, the traffic will be so heavy and so

much that people will get very tired of hearing it, but this issue is a standalone issue that motivates voters. we saw it in 2022 and everybody thought it would be a disaster for the democrats and it turned out to be a pretty good election for the democrats and in florida, you know what kills me about florida, and you could speak to this better than anybody because you are on the ground there for play. rick scott is not liked in florida. rick scott has been around florida for a long time and has a huge amount of negatives. the candidate running against him is just four points behind. forget about what you say about trump having locked florida up. rick scott has not locked florida up, and that is a big deal for this country because of the democrats do not hold the senate, even if kamala harris wins, it is not going to be easy to do the things that

people want, especially around the issue of abortion. >> you are right. the bowling has republicans raising their eyebrows and worried about that seat in the senate. with several polls showing kamala harris gaining on donald trump, one prominent forecaster has vice president harris as the slight favorite in november. nate silver now has his own the sub stack called the silver bulletin. he has just released an updated or cast that has the vice president narrowly favored to sweep the three midwestern blue wall states in to carry nevada, a sharp turnaround from where he had them just one month ago when he had the 2-1 favorite as trump. he joins us and is the author of on the edge:the art of risking everything. we will get to that in a moment. >> i'm trying to have a little fun. fun. >> he also played for the

giants and kepler. >> also he spent one year in my fantasy baseball as an owner and did not do a very well. >> he was in your league? well, we love the hat was talk about your forecast first. so there has been a lot of talk about the vibe shift since joe biden got out of the shifts or race. you deal with data. what have you seen? >> we have momentum with harris she is rising to a 2.5 point lead and then being a little ahead. >> do what you credit that? is it women moving over towards kamala harris or swing voters that say they have made up their minds, or how have you changed the forecast? >> donald trump lost the popular vote twice in the electoral college last time and she has over performed. but democrats are actually pretty good at winning elections. they had a good 2022 and 2018.

so maybe just the league average plus democrat is good enough to beat trump, however, the electoral college has twice gone against democrats when they won the popular vote in the polls have been in error and we saw him when those polls by a wide margin the last time around and that is why if you are a poker player, then 54-46, that is the edge that you take that a 50-50 tossup. >> you are dealing sup.with the numbers and the data but it must be frustrating when people are yelling at you because of a moment like this where it is so tumultuous. the assassination attempt on donald trump was just one month ago and president biden bowed out just three weeks ago and things change so fast that has to make everything harder. >> you usually don't have this much news compressed into the cycle. in some ways this week we moved from the rnc and it is no longer such a shock that kamala harris is the candidate and

then this next series of major hurdles. >> you have trump as a slight favorite in georgia and north carolina, what about nevada ? that is a state that democrats were worried was getting away from them. them. >> they are leaning towards harris and it is the most emblematic of working-class and also very diverse. you have a lot of asian american, black american and working-class people and their people who have moved away from biden. and now the polling change there is dramatic. it was like +6 trump and now it is plus one or two harris. and that is where her comparative advantages. mparat >> the policies are not that different, so is it just enthusiasm and about the age issue? >> i think it is a or 90% the age issue and voters said this is the number one problem. biden's approval ratings have gone up because people thought

it was not responsible to run for president. he is 86. she has other issues, inflation and the border, but you know, they more than double their chance of winning the election overnight and that is a remarkable thing to do in this month that we have had. this week, donald trump is tonight another request for the judge to step aside. we look at what is next when "morning joe weekend" returns. . e sixth generation of dancers. it's what my family is all about. i thought i knew a lot about our irish roots. i was surprised to learn so many more things from ancestry. 1892. oh and here's the boat they came over on. there was a julie healy, a mary healy, this is all their names? yes, yes. wow.

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former president trump has lost his latest bid for a judge in his hush money trial. the judge declined to step aside, rejecting the third such request from trump's lawyers. once again, they argued that he has a conflict of interest because of his daughters work as a political consultant for prominent democrats. the case heads to a key ruling and sentencing next month.

he has repeatedly said he is certain he can handle the case fairly and impartially. joining us now is the former assistant district attorney in the manhattan das office. a couple questions, first of all, how many times can he make this request? i know perhaps they thought it was different this time because kamala harris is now the democratic nominee, but can they keep making this request and going back to the court and going through the motions with this? >> what happens when attorneys, not very good attorneys do that, it is considered frivolous conduct and they could be sanctioned. they would argue that it was not frivolous because there was new information, which the judge said they provided nothing new. the only thing new is now vice president harris is now the nominee. nothing has changed, none of the facts have changed and the

judge has an adult daughter who does not live in his household and what she does with her life has nothing to do with the judge and they provided no new information other than vice president harris is now running as the nominee for the democratic party. so the judge was right to once again, as he said, for the third time, deny the motion to recuse him and as he said, innuendo and mischaracterizations of the facts. so inevitably, trump's attorneys will try again. probably to a higher court. the appellate court in manhattan already denied it. they will deny it again. about this is just what trump and his attorneys have been doing on this and other cases, right frankly. >> so if you could remind our

viewers, this has been going on in the background of this completely renewed presidential campaign with biden stepping down and kamala harris stepping in. can you remind people what exactly he was conduct did of and when is the sentencing, and what is the potential consequence that he could receive that day? >> donald trump was convicted by a jury of 34 counts of falsifying business records. the records of his company that were falsified to cover up the fact that he paid stormy daniels to not let the world know that they had an affair and that would come out before his campaign and he did that as the da said, to interfere with the election. his sentencing date is september 18, so the judge in the meantime is deciding whether or not to set aside the verdict based on the supreme court's decision. if he does not decide to set

aside the verdict, then donald trump will have his sentencing on september 18. the maximum under new york law that he could face is four years. i personally do not think that the judge will give a term of incarceration, but donald trump is facing that and these are all felonies. if once he is sentenced the judgment conviction will be final and he will be a sentenced, convicted felon. >> victare these machinations b trump's lawyers to put off the sentencing date and to move it down? >> yes. anything that they can do to make sure that september 18 will not happen, i'm sure that they will try to do. >> okay, msnbc legal analyst catherine christian, thank you very much. >> we will be talking to the director and one of the stars of a new thriller. our conversation with andra day and lee daniels. that is next on "morning joe

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11, get back. >> if you believe, you shall be saved. saved. >> you shall be saved. >> that is a look at the new thriller, the deliverance. the film followingsãfollows a struggling single mother that moves her family into a new home for a fresh start but strange things begin to happen, threatening to tear the family apart. joining us is the star of the film, the academy award winning actress and academy award- winning director of the film, lee daniels. we have been reminiscing right

here. >> no, we don't have to. >> we are all friends at the table, that is all that we need to know. i want to ask what brought you to this story because i reminded myself that i heard about this 10 years ago in gary, indiana, inspired by true events. what made you think this would be a good film ? >> i was not going to do it after precious, because that is when it was brought to me, but it was horror, and you know, i believe in good spirits and bad spirits coming onto people, so i did not want to be a part of it, but recently i felt it was timely now because we are in dark times and i am trying to scare you to your higher power command for me that is jesus, but i think we are in dark times and we need to find our

higher power. my job was to scare you into finding purpose. >> i think it did it for you too. you said you cannot even read it past a certain hour of the night. night. >> i have to sleep and my imagination is too crazy. but yeah, it was definitely -- i think that i had no hesitation in the sense because of them, right? he was the factor that i was like, great. you brought it to me at the end of filming deli. >> an extraordinary film for which you were nominated for an academy award and i could go on and on. >> yes, so he brought it to me at the end of that and at this point kim and i are married and but so but my hesitation was just in dealing with so much paranormal and so i think at first i was hesitant, but i am also a praying person, a person

of faith and a christian. so that is kind of how i find my way to everything is to pray about it and my peace was disrupted and as i started to navigate this i was reminded that these are things, these are spirits and i believe in the spirit realm as well and these are things we need to remember, that we do have authority over. i think that there are a lot of people who need to step into their power and for me it is that. i needed to be reminded that we have authority over these things and that they are underfoot, and i love the story because it showed overcoming these things and not just demons pick -- possessing kids but her own personal trauma to be a great mother. r. >> we are friends and i am a friend of archie, but we are friends and i know that you have a deeper side to you than the public persona, so when you talk about talk about

don't talk about that. >> i think even the church, those that are truly spiritual, will understand the film. people that are into the politics of the church will not. we can't see that because it is hard, this is about finding your higher power. i think there are a lot of fraud in the church. this film will expose. >> that does it for us this saturday morning. turn -- tune in tomorrow. ask for joining us. hope you have a great saturday. ♪ ♪ saturday. ♪ ♪ ♪♪ good morning. it is saturday, august 17. ibm alicia