possibly be real. so, it puts people in a position where they are confused, understandably. they don't know who to trust. and so, this larger campaign is getting worse, not better. all the more reason to push back against. >> can i ask you, in about 15 seconds, to tell me. is it for more than just holding onto power? is there another reason it's being done? >> well, the scary scenario here is that the larger goal is not just electoral, it is undemocratic. it is about undermining the system. it is about making it harder for people to make up their own minds about what is real, and therefore make it more difficult for the political system itself to function the way it is supposed to. that is a scary scenario, but as i document in the book, it's a very real one. >> here is the book, everybody. ministry of truth, democracy, reality, and the republicans were on the recent past. steve, thank you so much for joining us. i appreciate you. that's going to do it for me, this edition of alex witt reports. i will see you tomorrow. up next, the weekend.

welcome to the beat weekend. let's you read the headlines. tonight's special report about how harris is surging in ways that can help her win, and the evidence on trump adapting to new tools online. this is the key terrain for modern campaigns. it helps explain how harris was underestimated, but is now on fire. it also may offer clues to the home stretch, the next few months of this race. consider how the campaigns are now touting their allies by one example. historically a candidate would highlight an endorsement, in person, of course, and maybe add some interviews with journalists. here's a throwback to how they used to do it, how then candidate mitt romney was, believe it or not, at the time, touting then businessman and tv personality, donald trump. they held that event, they did those interviews. that was then.

now when trump wants to showcase a business endorsement, say, elon musk, they duck independent journalists or their own supporters in person, and held the virtual talk on twitter. and they made some headlines commiserating about firing striking workers, which is illegal. >> i mean, i look at what you do, you walk in and you say you want to quit? they go on strike. that's okay, you're all gone. >> now, there's a labor issue there. we covered that last night. but right now in this special report we have been preparing for you, i want to discuss the medium there. the platform is striking. and both trump and harris are using very new tools, far newer, in fact, than twitter. which i will explain. so that they can do a different type of campaigning. now, people may be skeptical of tiktok or streaming chat shows, but there was also doubt when fdr started using radio to

reach people. which was later embraced, just as tv than supplanted radio, favoring politicians were good at it, like jfk in the middle. and onto obama who used email and youtube to great effect in his campaigns. these campaigns have far more tools. some you certainly have heard about. others are getting less attention. we can now see key parts of this fight being waged online. so, right now, this is our special report and our lead story of the broadcast, because it may be the most important aspect of how this campaign gets resolved, who wins. here's what's key. one, campaigns can now use these tools to reach voters very directly. two, they can have fast and real , organic dialogue with more supporters and voters than waste wherever possible a few decades ago. and that were only rudimentary, even a few cycles ago, say 2016. three, campaigns can do this and get the benefits of press without the pressure of journalism.

now, recently, the contrast has been raised about kamala harris and when she will do interviews. but the evidence actually shows a much broader trend on that, which is different than d.c. talking points. those of us in journalism definitely think all candidates should take our questions, all the time, if we can have them do it. but we are going to look at this precisely and as objectively as possible, not just as reporters who want interviews. and the history actually paints a fuller picture. today's campaigns are using these pages from blueprints of past candidates. who use the web to tap and shape enthusiasm. early experience by the dean and mccain campaigns, insurgents in their own parties. they needed to find support beyond elites, so they were more willing to experiment. obama, probably the most effective digital campaign we have seen, did this with levels. he mixed a compelling story

with organizing principles, which he knew about, and a creative online team that actually drew on howard dean's example, that i mentioned. fast forward to now. harris is clearly putting her twist on that. she has got some obama aides on board. she is getting good headlines on this, and you probably seen some of the results. attention, enthusiasm. this fun and sometimes even sort of mocking content online that speaks to how people communicate today, and engaging with her own fans homemade digital content. so, i'm going to show you some examples. you can think of these as the political cartoons and yard signs of today, with more people involved in making them, from the memes to the home videos.

>> this is homemade stuff, what we used to call grassroots. but harris's team has leaned into it, engaged the dialogue with what the supporters are creating, fueling record- breaking fundraising, and using these tools to route around and even ignore traditional methods of campaigning. now, that is a tactic both campaigns have used. i mentioned the calls for harris to do more interviews faster. she has not done what her first three weeks as a nominee, but she has done a lot for this. publicans are pushing that line to criticize her. campaign politics. independent analysts and reporters may have good-faith reasons to call for those interviews. it is too recent to tell if voters care about that. but the data shows that most candidates have been stepping back for decades from those older norms. take this example from the 70s, when most top candidates did regular journalistic interviews.

>> now, back to meet the press. >> resuming our interview on meet the press, our guests in boston are massachusetts senatorial candidates edward kennedy, democrat, and josias spalding, republican. >> that was then, and that is what the candidates did. but this is an important prism for now and where we are headed to the next few months. they did not have internet, podcasts, or other alternatives there. when they wanted to reach, let alone broadcast to the whole nation, that was the only option. so, polls needed those interviews more than today. even putting trump and harris to the side, the history actually shows both parties previously did way more journalistic press conferences, and then they faded over time. in fact, this headline here shows a decline, where there used to be dozens of press conferences early on, and now

very few across both parties. long before this campaign, harris actually experimented with alternative forms of medication. and you can see sort of the reasoning or the strategy. she has done it to humanize herself, especially on the way up, when the main thing people knew about her was that she was a prosecutor. and that came with pros and cons , and a kind of baggage. she used it to engage in culture and hobbies that might seem authentic. it depends who you ask, that that is how she would share herself. again, you are not going to cook on meet the press. and some of this fits right in with these broader transfer who tends to win the internet. here are some of her examples, from talking to miley cyrus to kiki palmer. >> i'm nervous. hello! >> hi! how are you? >> i am honored and kind of in a state of disbelief right now that i have you on my life. >> i was about to go off, which would not of been cool.

because i'm trying to get elected. >> is a real pleasure to see you. it looks like a lovely kitchen. >> you know, we love getting into your fashions. you always get a nice suit, but you are also casual at the same time. will we ever get a madam vp converse line? >> that's interesting. i do love my converse. >> talking about the converse shoes. you can call that conversations, you can call a campaigning. you could call it a type of interview. most of those people wouldn't say that they are full-time national or political journalists, and that's okay. another harris hobby is cooking, when she has shared, again, through this different approach to media. and as the saying goes, let her cook. >> i don't want to suffer the contours of the future president not liking my indian food. >> what are you doing with the eggs? >> okay, i can do whatever you

want me to do, because i now feel challenged by senators making tuna melts. >> senator harris, i say this with respect, you're kind of a show off. meanwhile, it's taking me 20 minutes to do this much ginger. >> a pot of water, a couple of bailey is, a little sugar, a couple of peppercorns. you could even do a slice of orange, something like that. oh, yes, hi. >> you can do it one-handed. your bro. >> come on, now. >> come on, now. a little one-handed a break. a little after. who doesn't like that? well, there's an answer, as there often is in politics. the answer is her opponents and haters. they don't like that. and this brings us to another way that harris's fans in this very nascent campaign are flipping the script on maga with digital tools and the coconuts.

this is, honestly, one of those admittedly seemingly small things in politics that actually can become a big thing. small things sometimes matter for various reasons, especially online. harris's team, as one account put it, is specific to the trend and platform as possible, so they do small things, like speaking in gen z language, or making sure they are not forcing a trend just for the sake of doing it . as one harris digital aid recently explained. now, let me give you an example i will bet you will remember, even if you haven't been fixated on all this internet stuff. there have been gaffes as long as there has been mediated politics. some are unfair, some might seem unavoidable, like how the dean scream, one moment for howard dean on a stage in iowa, haunted howard dean for the rest of that campaign, and many people would say for a while afterward. some of these gaffes are actually rooted in deeper problems, like double

standards. i've never told you who to vote for, but i can tell you that there were withering, sexist cliches and coverage of hillary clinton, fixating on seemingly small things like her laugh, sound familiar? or her outfits, which was different than the treatment of male candidates in both parties. i say that by introduction to the next piece of how the harris campaign is doing this. because it was actually her critics who tried to mock something seemingly small, how she quoted as saying about coconut trees. first they pushed it online, but her fans found creative ways to push back. resting that moment back into something that could be cool or even silly, and repurpose and get from the way the right-wing had tried to make it a problem for her, or somehow disqualified. and they got all the way to the point that harris now, sometime since atop a giant coconut on

magazine covers. she has taken it back to being her thing. her fans use the coconut mod like their own kind of campaign but. if using reference to this are using some of these clips, i will show you that original moment, what she said, and then how some of these recent and means have invested. >> mother use to, she would give him a hard time, and she would say i don't know what's wrong with you young people. you think you just fell out of the coconut tree? you exist in the context. >> that last one is near and dear here on the beat, because you have taylor swift remixed with the coconut reference becoming part of the beat of the song. now, you can argue that is just

fun online, you can argue that it has no particular ideology, because they are just engaging with something that she was criticized for to try to sort of quote her or turn that into a problem or gaffe and they took it back. but, as i mentioned, you can also see other layering beneath that. having lived through the degradation of other women candidates, women in public life and public officials, especially about the small things, or the style things, or the laughter things. you have a lot of people here who are empowered, who are good at this, and they are talking back. and the harris campaign, if nothing else, is adaptive enough or smart enough to listen and engage it. now, that last clip i showed among those memes at a taylor swift or not, as i mentioned. does any of that actually help you go towards november, to beat former president trump? republicans seem to think so. they have been openly panicking about the idea that swift would

endorse or help democrats at all, pushing conspiracy theories, attacking her. a surefire sign that they get the this matters. remember what i told you about donald trump. publicity, tv obsessed. this is the new tv, in some sense. and they, he and his team understand exactly how it works and why can be so effective. what starts out fun or small could become politically serious or big. how can the team use this in the home stretch? that is what we are going to return to, the final part of this report.

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welcome back to our special report. we just went through how harris's online fans, so enthusiastic about everything kamala harris, from her policies and her style, to the coconut i just mentioned. now we turn to trump, who has always been pr obsessed. back when many politicians thought that being online at

too much menu were amateurish, donald trump, you know by now, everyone knows, he used twitter in raw and quick ways to pick fights and to drive the news cycle online and through tv and traditional news. the new york times reported it was a pithy and powerful approach. that was novel then. fast forward to this year, it is become so mainstream that president biden didn't even announce the historic news of his exit from the presidential race with the traditional press release or even just calling into a new show, which they could've done. he broke the biggest unexpected news story in politics this year through a tweet that you see here, and then attached is letter for all to read on twitter. now, donald trump was suspended from some of those platforms after january 6th. for the ways that his speech online may have fomented an insurrection. those platforms, of course, suspend people from things separate from the higher criminal standard of whether the inside of one.

and he started his own true social thing. we have covered much of that before. tonight i want to turn your attention to how he is jumping into new platforms online before most politicians, just as he did with old-school twitter. today, many young people have moved beyond tv, or even newer things like facebook and youtube, to start getting their content through a whole different interactive model of amateur or homegrown people who are a type of influencer or gamer or streamer, stuff like this. >> hey, what's up? what's going on, bro? >> how are you doing? >> where they are? do i have to get closer to see?

>> that's just a little bit of what it looks like. now, if you're saying, what does kevin hart in a basement like wayne's world, or people playing video games watching other people play video games, what is anything to do with politics or you? i will tell you, based on the reporting and evidence, it has a lot to do with the future of the campaigns in civil society. trump, for example, just as he did with twitter, and people said what is this new thing, is now personally showing up into these streamer and podcast forms. and he especially likes it when he can find ways to show up, to do his thing, and not be fact checked at all. >> i making a speech in a while. as soon as i'm finished with you. >> oh my god, we have to go for sure. >> in the easy work starts, the speech. >> we were saying last time we had one, it's a great honor to have you back. >> i was talking about it the other day to david, and that's

ai. a simple tool, little, simple letters. but it's big. >> do you think you are starting to soften your views on some of the networks you may have not gotten along within the past? >> now, there fakeness. >> we got into a fight this past week. >> and how did it work out? >> pretty good, mr. president. >> i thought it would go quite good. i was she fighting. >> that was to some of it. if you follow politics, you may have seen some recent clips where he spent an hour with streamer aiden ross on cake, where that session, that a child lives alongside video games and other content. ross, you should know, was previously banned from the site twitch, a streaming platform, for what they deemed as hateful content and other racist and anti-semitic messages. trump's campaign either does not care or views that as an appeal to so-called bro culture online. they are also spending $20 million focused on reaching some of these young and possibly disaffected men as the journal reports, republic magazine dubs it a bid to go all in on, quote, weird, lonely

young dudes who hate women. ross has many viewers, and he has a lot of revenue. and he spent some of it in an effort to give trump lavish gifts when he just came by. >> you can already see the gift. >> i can. >> you can't miss it. >> that's beautiful. that is beautiful. >> i'm going to close the door really quick. check out this wrap. let me know your honest thoughts. >> i think it's incredible. i think it's incredible. >> what can you say. donald trump said he liked the car. if he took it, that would possibly be illegal, because if the items are deemed campaign contributions they far exceed the $3300 limit. that session, though, drew over half 1 million viewers already. trump's visit with logan paul, the streamer i showed you a

moment ago, already has over 6 million views and counting. these tactics are a part of the selection. that is true whether you follow this or not. and new technology, as i showed from harris to trump, is usually a moving target. kamala harris is on a lot of organic and is jazmin just three weeks, but the history shows she has been engaging this space, from the cooking to the conversations, for some time. history is also shown that the democrats should be careful if they are underestimating donald trump's ability to use and exploit new platforms. before they mock or dismiss some of those streams i just showed you, they might want to look at how this all works. now, if you are skeptical of this in general, arguing this new thing can't be like the way we got print information, or it can't be like radio, or it can't be like tv. the reticence to embrace new media is old. in fact, it is older than the old media that some of us hold dear. when novels were first distributed, there were people worried they would corrupt

society, because the novel then was like a streaming video game thing i showed you today. it was certainly more radical than the people were receiving stories, generally orally or for the church. when silent movies greeted the new text, that they could have found out, that was a new technology. the industry, the actors thought of those so-called talkies were a fad. the most famous silent movie star, charlie chaplin, opposed what they viewed as a temporary talkies craze. the new yorker recounting how he vehemently resisted it. and the view was, and while there was something special about those old silent movies, adding volume, adding words, speaking in the films would undercut their inherent artistry. then, ultimately, even charlie chaplin came around. >> let us fight for the world, to do away with national barriers, to do away with greed, with hate and intolerance. let us fight for a world of

reason, a world where science and progress will lead to all men's happiness. soldiers, in the name of democracy, let us all unite! >> that was a technological shift, but you will notice the clip we picked. it was also the use of not only imagery, but words in a new medium to point something out. chaplin, using art and truth to warn that sometimes the people who claim they are your salvation are there fighting voter fraud, or their going to fix things. sometimes they are the would be dictators, wherever they may be. and the point is not whether that applies perfectly to any current scenario. voters and citizens can listen all of this and make up their own minds. platforms are tools. they amplify the message. but, as the way we speak and learn and communicate changes, it would be foolhardy to only be a pamphleteer or only write

to the newspaper, or, yes, i happen to be on the spot for him, but i will say it, only worked for television journalism. whatever its merits. the times they are changing. this campaign, and apparently some smart people in both campaigns are aware and waging this wart whether you know about it or not. and so, with the platforms, the question remains not what we will use, but why you are using it. what are you still fighting for? that is our special report. next we turn to someone at the vanguard of all of this, a political online creator, a former harris campaign staffer, dacia fox. next. ment... ...on a ranch ...in montana ...with horses let's take a look at those scenarios. j.p. morgan wealth management has advisors in chase branches and tools, like wealth plan to keep you on track. when you're planning for it all... the answer is j.p. morgan wealth management. what will you do when the power goes out?

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participates. and if every individual understands they have a part. >> is a short clip online from a video by political greater dacia fox, you see her speaking with vice president harris. she also worked with harris as an influencer and strategists in a previous campaign. welcome, how are you tonight. >> hey there, i'm doing well, glad to be here. >> what do you think it is important that people understand about how the harris campaign, which you have some knowledge of, is both responding to and using these spaces? >> sure, so we see a sort of twofold internet strategy. one is coming from the campaign directly, and it is clips of her on the trail, giving speeches, and it is also the kamala harris hq account, the official rapid response account. and then we see this really organic interpretation of her, from content creators who are sometimes invited to rallies,

right? sometimes they are sitting at home in their bedrooms, thinking of these fun edits, brat means, and reinterpreting her for a new audience. but what we really need to understand is that, for many young people, this is their first introduction to this candidate. and so, while the brat memes are fun, it really is our response ability is content creators and the selection to do right by her, because you mentioned your previous segment, that we are a generation, gen z, who has grown up witnessing race-based attacks in the obama election, gender-based attacks when hillary clinton ran. and we are seeing on the internet, in my tiktok comments and across so many other platforms, a convergence of those race and gender-based attacks in this moment. and i think young people are really standing up and saying that we are not going to allow

this to happen . >> all right, can we talk coconut? >> we can, we can. >> let's go into this. as you mentioned, on one level, it is small and fun, and it can pass people by. on the other, i mentioned the double standard, the way hillary clinton's laugh was so attacked, which is familiar. fashion, looks, things that are double standard. and that may apply, by the way, to women who are conservative leaders or republican politicians. i am not making a particularly partisan point, although in this election it goes right out towards harris. so, i want to play again that contrast of what she said, and again, this was originally highlighted by the right and it seems like folks involved, you or people you have worked with, or people you are engaging with online, kind of said wait a minute, we are not going to let this other side to find that. here's that clip again. >> my mother used to, she would give us a hard time sometimes

and she would say to us, i don't know what's wrong with you young people. you think you just fell out of a coconut tree? you exist in the context. >> explained to us in our viewers here what are the fans and supporters, what are you all doing here. what do you say? >> right, what a time to be alive, honestly. i want to throw it all the way back to our 2020 campaign. i was the influencer and surrogate status, i was just 19 years old, and i was really experimenting with how we could use tiktok as a platform, even then. and we have to remember, tiktok was really different then.

many people thought it was a nap for dancing teenagers. some people still think that, although i think we are going to show them a whole different side of it in what could be the tiktok election, 2024. but, what is happening there is something that we were actually thinking about even way back in 2019, which is how we can clip and use pieces of her and her audio and her stories and her speeches to transform them into tiktok audios. these things that people can then reinterpret by doing things like voiceovers or mash ups with songs. and, like you mentioned, this is something that the right actually originally surfaced, right? someone sort of on the opposition, to make fun of her and her laugh. and if you listen closely to that clip, this is something of a story about her mother, so it, in fact, is also her heritage, which is classic and playbook for them. however, our side, you know, young people on the internet, when they got a hold of this they completely turned it around. and i think that has everything to do with, again, the political context in which, and i hate to use the word context,

because now it feels ruined for all of us, the context in which we have come to our political understanding, having seen obama and hillary clinton run for office. and now having an outsized influence on the narrative as it comes to be online. young people actually get to define so much of how even traditional media is interpreting these candidates. and so, i see young people really intervening here, to say that, you know, we have seen these attacks as we have come of age and as we step into not only are voting power, but into this newfound narrative power, we are going to put our values front and center and lead with joy, and also stand up for this woman who is running for office and who is clearly qualified. up next, we have a special show. legendary singer-songwriter carol king joins me life. allergic reactions may occur.

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this 2024 race has changed a lot since joe biden exited. harris entered the race just about three weeks ago. many signs show this tightening two person race, plus the fading of the one independent candidate with a big name, robert f kennedy junior. he had a lot of building advantages, but is seen now as running a disappearing campaign. the window, closing. kennedy hypes himself as a national candidate, as an alternative to experienced polls. but he is not even campaigning regularly these days.

no public events in the last month, and no effective effort to get on enough ballots to hypothetically be in the running mathematically to actually win enough states to become president. now, entity repeatedly insisted he could be a viable national candidate. and get on enough ballots to be eligible to win. the fact is, now with about 10 weeks to go, he is not even on half of the ballots of states in our country. about 18 total state ballots, that is from a new york times count. kennedy often hypes the idea that there are conspiracies to silence him and his candidacy. in reality, he has probably gotten farther in politics than a candidate who had his same results, but was not simply named kennedy. and i should mention, we have had him and other independent candidates, like cornell west on this cycle, so you could hear about their ideas and campaigns directly from them.

there is certainly no censorship here. it was about three months back when i pressed kennedy on this exact point, how mathematically he would only be a spoiler if he didn't get on way more ballots. >> how many states are you on the ballot right now today? >> we are on the ballot i think in two or three states. >> if you are not on enough knowledge to mathematically be eligible to win the electoral college in enough states by election day, are you going to drop out? >> i'm going to be on the ballot in every state. our polls and every other poll that has looked at head-to-head contests show that i may beat resident trump or president biden, if the other guy leaves, under this criteria president is the spoiler because he cannot win. >> that you're comparing hypothetical poles to a guy who won the presidency. >> very hypothetical poles to someone who literally won the presidency. he said, quote, i'm going to be on the ballot in every state. this is proven false.

three months later here he is not on the ballot in most states, as i just showed you. and certainly will not be on every single one, because the news tonight is he will not make the ballot on the state with the fourth most electoral votes, new york. the fourth most populous state in the country. a judge rejecting rfk's bid to get on the ballot. the states 28 electoral votes would be crucial to any coalition he might mount. while rfk has been a lot of time in new york, the judge ruled he was using a sham address and is not a state resident there. rfk senior was also the u.s. senator from new york, elected in 1965 and serving until his tragic assassination. this is one of the states were the kennedy family name does carry all kinds of weight, all of them through today. i asked rfk junior about his policies and ideas so people could hear him. we gave him time. i also asked him whether he would drop out if,

mathematically, his campaign became an eligible to win the presidency. because this is a brace for the presidency. and if, as a fact, your campaign is only in a position to be a spoiler effort, then you are not running to become president as a factual matter. that is where he is now mathematically headed. what he and his supporters do from here, facing those facts, will reveal a lot about the true agenda. we will be right back. nd intel. ♪ to see hundreds of miles of tracks. ♪ [vroom] [train horn] [buzz] clearing the way, [whoosh] so you arrive exactly where you belong. (aaron) i own a lot of businesses... so my tech and my network need to keep up. so you arrive thank you, verizon business. (kevin) now our businesses get fast and reliable internet from the same network that powers our phones. (aaron) so whatever's next... we're cooking with fire. (vo) switch to the partner businesses rely on. nothing dims my light

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do you remember the republican convention? they are usually about a month apart, the two parties, the democrats now turn to the dnc in chicago. a lot has changed. and they have firepower to compete, you might say, even with the likes of hulk hogan. take singer john legend, who will be at the dnc along with joan jett and li'l john. in the world of culture that relates to vice presidential history, one of the most famous fictional vice presidents will reprise her veep role in some

format. she is doing a panel with democrat women governors. the resurgence kicks in with what we are talking about earlier in the program, all the different ways culture and the internet are resuscitating interest around this unusual area breaking harris campaign. there's also been a lot of endorsements in the culture. we have seen megan the stallion, who performed at harris's atlanta rally right on the campaign kicked off. other big names popping up on those national digital rallies on zoom. >> i'm white, i'm a dude, and i'm for harris. >> i feel like love can win. i felt for the first time in a while like okay, okay, we can do this. >> vice president harris can actually win this thing if we all just rally around and really take advantage of this incredible energy that is happening. >> you might say that when it comes to the culture, kamala harris can say you've got a friend. which brings us to what we like to think of as our friend, carole king . see her there

with kamala harris, she has also formally announced an endorsement of the presidential campaign and posted the iconic and world selling hit album tapestry. there is the cover. you might notice the old-school cat. cat ladies for, love, a dig at something that has haunted jd vance, his attack on women. we are now joined by the rock 'n roll hall of famer, grammy award-winning singer, global album seller songwriter, carole king. you've got a friend. welcome. >> thank you, you've got a friend, too. and it's really nice to be with you. >> i'm curious, because i know from talking to you on air and off, there's many different ways to engage. you are someone who has been very engaged in policy and civic activism, not just the occasion of an election year. other people, as we have seen, are more sporadic. but something about the harris campaign brought them out.

your reflection both on what you wanted to do there, what you are saying to jd vance, and what it means that she has some of this support in the culture? >> well, i had to weigh in, because, and i was actually prompted to do this by one of my daughters. she said you are the original cat lady, the og. that is, by the way, og is my name as a great-grandmother, because they ran out of grandmother names. so my name is og. >> i love that. yeah, so go on. you said your daughter brought this up. many people know the cover, certainly we all remember it. but it's residence this many years later to you is what? that a woman of any age could have a cat and also have personal freedom, shall we say? >> oh, that is definitely true. i mean, this is the thing that, let kamala harris is standing

for. i've seen a lot of president campaigns, i've worked on presidential campaigns, and i just love seeing how this is happening organically, and that the word joy, now people are getting tired of it, but i remember thinking that the first day i saw her come out in philadelphia and say here i am. was that in philadelphia? yeah, her first was in philadelphia. it's hard to keep track because there are so many, and they all look the same to me, the big crowds, yes! >> how do you feel, as someone who traversed all of this. and we are watching at a policy and legal level, the reversal of certain gains for women's rights. against what you mentioned, a joy, and i think evidence of kind of an intergenerational backlash, including two more states just this week taking up abortion rights for the november ballot. >> that is amazing.

you know, i really feel like i am part of a movement, and that is what i'm seeing. and that is intergenerational, for sure. you know, on the marches, when they first started marching after the reversal of roe v wade, i noticed that there were a lot of people my age, men and women. there were so many men marching with the women, and i think that bodes well. >> i want to show you, barack obama is expected to hit the campaign trail sometime in the fall. he has not yet, but he is carrying on his summer tradition of releasing his playlist, what he is listening to, new or old. with you here tonight we wanted to show you, this is brand-new from obama, take a look. soon i got some newer stuff, some older stuff. i tend to make that up. i have been listening to what's in the tea. >> let's play it.

who else are you listening to? >> a little more old school. always. >> robert glassberg, the list also has bob dylan throwbacks, beyonce, the rolling stones, and charlie x cx who has been endorsed by the harris campaign and mutual embrace. carole, what do you think of president obama's taste in music? what overlaps with yours, or what would you add? >> oh, gosh, i'm trying to think of the overlap. i don't even, first of all, what i think of his playlist, it is as elegant and eloquent as he is. so, it is always good to see him. i really like that.

billy is on mine, that's an overlap. taylor swift. beyonce. i love that she offered, that kamala can use, i have met her, but she is the vice president. and she will be president, god willing. >> thanks for watching the beat weekend, and be sure to join us at 6:00 eastern for the beat on msnbc. everywhere but the seat. the seat is leather. alan, we get it. you love your bike. we do, too. that's why we're america's number-one motorcycle insurer. but do you have to wedge it into everything? what? i don't do that. this reminds me of my bike. the wolf was about the size of my new motorcycle. have you seen it, by the way? happy birthday, grandma! really? look how the brushstrokes follow the line of the gas tank. -hey! -hey! brought my plus-one. jamie?

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