nash, so great. of course, jimi hendrix. when he played the star- spangled banner, it was at first, i was like 10 yards away from him photographing him. it was kind of surprising like wait a minute, that is, we were against the government and against the war and it seemed like what is he playing, that is their song, not our song. then the thing is wait a minute, he is reclaiming it for us. us. morning at 6:00 a.m. eastern, foregoing you week up morning joe. and the start of the democratic national convention. what a week it is going to. until tomorrow, enjoy the un rest of your weekend.

good morning it is sunday, g august 18th, i am alicia 1 menendez and michael steele. we are just about 24 hours away from an historic convention for democrats and vice president kamala harris. and we have got a massive show to cover every part of it. folks from harris campaign will be with us in just a moment. we will hear from dnc chair, jimmy harrison, governors, jimmy pritzker and kathy hogle join the conversation. senator, elizabeth warren weighs in on the economic plan, a military veteran will take on trump and jd vance. so, grab your coffee, settle gr in, welcome to the weekend. there are just 29 days, folks until election day. and all of this week's

democratic convention in chicago is a golden opportunity for democrats to elevate vice president, kamala harris as the party's standardbearer. and new this morning, we are learning how each night of the convention will highlight her vision for the country. tomorrow's the opening night's theme, for the people. tuesday will outline democrat's bold vision for america's future. wednesday, they are calling a es fight for our freedoms. on thursday, when harris takes the stage, a message for our future. meanwhile, the harris-walls campaign is getting ready to unleash their chest. the company says it will spend at least $370 million on television and digital ads between labor day and elect them. joining us now, from chicago, is harris-walz campaign manager, clinton, thank you for getting up early, chicago is an hour behind dc, so we appreciate you. >> i know what that is like with the convention looming right.io and the announcement this morning of the themes talk to us about these things, because

they seem to go to a space that , to be honest, the country hasn't been in a long while, talking about his future, there's been a lot of backward thinking and looking, particularly from the republican side of things. how do these steeps come together? what do they say about what the vice president wants america to know about her and her vision for america? >> well, good morning, thank you all for having me. i think these things will encapsulate the vice president for the country. for the people it will talk about who we are fighting for. the vice president that this all the time, it is very important that the people are at the center of all of this. the reason she's at the re policies to cover the cost because of the people. we had her also talk about the future in a different way of doing things with common sense approaches with stability. and that is what vice president harris will continue to make sure we fight and protect our

freedoms, which is a stark contrast between donald trump and jd vance and their extreme project 2025 agenda and throughout the convention you will hear stories that talk h about the vice president's record of fighting and delivering for the american people as a prosecutor and attorney general, the senator on the vice president that i think that those things perfectly encapsulate that. >> some of that work will happen at the convention, some of it, of course, with paint media. i want to take a listen to some of the radio spots that the campaign has largely buyable biographical about the president. >> standing of for everyday americans is at the foundation of who kamala harris is. raised in a middle-class home by a working mother instilled a passion for justice and equality. that is why, when kamala harris became district attorney, she stood up for our kids keeping them safe by prosecuting sex offenders. she also pioneered a program to give nonviolent drug offenders a second chance. as president,, lane harris will continue the fight for everyday americans.

>> you talk to any of the posters, you talk to people doing focus groups a big thing you here, you know this, it is, i like her, i want to hear more, they still have gaps in their understanding of who vice president harris is good how much of that is biographical. how much of that is filling in the policy gaps about what a harris administration actually looks like? >> it is both, but as i mentioned in my first answer, i think it is very important that people understand why the vice e president is pushing for these policies. she grew up with a working mother, who rented most of their lives, so, when she talks about things like making housing and renting more affordable, it is because she lives that. so, yes, the e policy proposals and specifics on that are as important, because at the end of the day this is how she will change lives for everyday americans, but as we are introducing her it is incredibly important that people understand where the values come from and why those values are adjusted, our campaign has aggressively started spending to make sure we

are advising the president early, because we have a short amount of time. we have to introduce her to a lot of america in add like one you just played exactly how we will do that could >> went in one aspect that i am fascinated by is the reaction of the press, the media. the hard press, by many to get the vice president to sit down with them, as if to say, this isn't legitimate until you talk to us. >> also, as if joe biden wasn't the nominee, like a month ago. >> exactly. so, you know, the expectations of turning that corner to me, has been really amusing to watch, and here many of the media sort of go after the vice president, because she hasn't done that face-to-face, but what my response has been is, she seems to be talking directly to the people. so, in other words, i don't need to sit down with the media and the press to do a one-on- one. if i have the opportunity to

haveun this larger conversation in which i can more directly to find myself, was that a m legitimate, that's not the wrong word. was that an intentional effort h to sort of push past the noise of washington press corps and all of that drama, to have this more direct conversation? because it seems to be somatically where you are going, a more direct approach in conversation with the american people. >> well, look, we enter this convention with a lot of enthusiasm and momentum, and that enthusiasm and momentum is because vice president harris and governor walz have been on the ground talking to and communicating directly with voters and you basically said what i'm saying a different way, the vice president has been interviewing with the american people and she respects the free media, respects the press, so that will come on her time, but right now our focus is making sure we are communicating with the voters, that they see her, they understand her world view, her off ringing, her record of delivering and fighting for

american families to protect their freedoms and her vision for moving forward, the vice president harris is going to id continue to do that. they are kicking off a bus tour going throughout pennsylvania. they will be at a rally in wisconsin tomorrow before they headed to the convention, so we are incredibly excited to continue to stay out of the world on the battleground states to the voters who will ultimately decide the selection and making sure that they ma understand that this race is fundamentally a choice between two stark visions for the st future of this country, one where we are lowering costs and continuing to deliver for the american people and when that is a an unstable project 2025 agenda that is led by donald trump and jade events. >> you know, quinton, it strikes me, i don't know much, okay, but it strikes me that at this point of the cycle, given the switch vice president harris now at the top of the ticket, when she said down for an interview she would have needed to have some policies, ed because i would assume that our colleagues in the present us, as well, we would like to ask

her about those policies, and we have now seen some of those policies give to roll out, the vice president rolled out a part of her economic policy rt earlier this week of her campaign and what you would do if elected president. there has been some criticism of the policy, because people are assuming, and some republicans, some economists, even some moderate democrats are assuming that what the policy is, when it comes to price gouging is really about price caps, but i read it as, it is if you are price gouging, then we will hold you accountable. could you just speak to these two pieces of that? because i do think the prices and what is happening at the grocery store and the inflation, these record profits that these companies are making, yet, the pandemic, people are recovering from the pandemic, the companies are definitely recovering in the prices are not going down. a these are an issue that the

american art talking about. >> these are capitalist, market- based solutions that the vice president is putting forward, the vice president believes that businesses should be able to make money, but what the vice president does not believe is that these businesses should be able to make money, simply because when prices go up simply because of the law of supply and demand, that is completely fine, those are the laws of economics, but when prices are just jacked up, just so that corporations and big businesses can increase quarterly profits were yearly profits on the back of middle- class families and small businesses that is where the vice president is going to step in, and that is what she has demonstrated that she has been willing to do. this isn't something that is partisan, you see state attorneys general in texas and louisiana following cases against companies that do this. jacking up gas prices at hurricane harvey, going after r beat competitors. one of the biggest is the fact that they are raising prices, simply because there is no competition, there is no way to

get beep, pharmacy managers are doing it, so what you see the vice president saying, vice president harris say is that she's not going to let s corporations just raise prices, simply because. prices go up because of the law of supply and demand we will deal with that, but companies just raising prices simply because they can do it is not something that vice president harris is going to stand for and i think she has laid out a very clear proposal to do it. and so the demagogy that is coming from republicans know that this isn't about fixed prices. in fact i think that there is reason to believe that vice president harris is going to id work across the aisle in a bipartisan fashion to make sure, this is something we know extremely well, something that the voters have been asking for, this is a commonsense solution to deliver that. so, donald trump and republican should adopt playing games and come to the table and work with vice president harris to make sure we are doing the right thing for the people, not just trying to win a political campaign could >> real quick you talked about the bus tour to pennsylvania as you guys note, 2020, president biden, president harris they

won the state by just over 1% that was in part, by driving up margins and solidly blue counties. you are doing some of that but also going into beaver county and trying to chip away their at donald trump's would be lead. what is the message to folks in a county, like beaver? >> that this campaign is inclusive. that vice president harris and governor walz's administration will be inclusive and they are fighting for all americans regardless if you're county vote red or blue, you will know that this is my whole ethos. i bring this from me coming from a rural county myself, a small town in georgia, it is the strategy that i implemented for senator warnock and i think it is something that we have to do in order for democrats to win places, they have to go there. we have to shop, we have to talk to people and we have a vision for this country that f includes people that live in these rural communities, in the small towns and we have to go and communicate that. when we don't we just see the argument to the republicans ande their extreme agenda and that

is what these voters believe. so, we are going directly at that and we will continue to talk with these voters and voters all across the country no matter where you live, red dates, blue states, rural counties or not. because that is how you are going to campaign and that is the work that the vice president and governor walz mac are going to do. >> and to add to the urgency, might be seven or nine days until election day, but it is , only 29 days until early voting begins in the state of pennsylvania. quinton, as always thank you for getting up early and being with us. next hour, dmc check on jimmy harrison will discuss the final preparations ahead of the convention kickoff in chicago. but first, new york governor, kathy hogle is coming by to talk about the fight to protect reproductive rights at the ballot box. we are watching the weekend. and the flavor you love. so, here's to now... now available: boost max! (vo) you've got your sunday obsession and we got you so, here's to now... now with verizon, get nfl sunday ticket from youtube tv on us... and a great deal on galaxy z fold6...

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a new washington post poll, abc poll out this morning shows donald trump is losing support with women voters to vice president harris. trump trails harris, with women, ages 18-29 by 23%, and with women, ages 30-49, by 70%. back in july, the same poll showed trump actually had an advantage over president biden, with the same groups. new york governor, kathy hogle, joins us now. governor hogle, good morning. can we just start with, earlier this week, jd vance come out on the campaign trail with doing a bunch of interviews and said that women, he doesn't think,

really care about abortion. they care about the issues and he doesn't think abortion is one of the issues that is important to them. he said they care about normal things. i am wondering your take on that. >> oh my gosh. if you want more evidence of how out of touch he is what women are thinking about, talking about are concerned about, then that is exhibit a. i have to tell you that because of donald trump one out of three women in america now live under an abortion ban. so, women have seen what happened before under donald trump, they don't want to have the trump travesty part two. they know it is coming and that is a national abortion ban. they will stop at nothing. so, i would say that he is going to continue on that path to their detriment and that is one more reason why kamala harris and tim walz will defeat them handily, especially when it comes to picking up the women's vote. back to your point, governor, it is borne out in the numbers,

take a look at this pool. this was conducted may 15th to june 18th. so this was a while ago, but published on august 14th, of women, of reproductive age, this was their brought opposition to abortion restriction, 74% think abortion should be legal, 74% oppose living up to the states, which, you know, is the big argument they will make. and 70% support a nationwide right to abortion, i mean, governor, they are seeing the same numbers. right? they are simply choosing not to care. i simply do not understand the strategy. >> i don't think there is a strategy, this is who they are. they can't go re-create themselves. they realize that their views of women are back to 1848, before the first women's convention, demanding rights that was held here in the state of new york. so they could continue on that path, they are so detached from reality when it comes to what

american women want. american women, meaning republicans, independents, democrats, so, that is fine, continue, i would recommend that they continue on the path of saying that women don't care about abortion and we are just going to run up the score. >> governor, the campaign announced this morning it seems for this upcoming convention week. and they layout thematically for the people on monday, a bold vision for america's future, a fight for our freedoms ending with kamala harris accepting the nomination, under the theme for our future. this issue of an abortion, like so many other issues, are thread throughout these themes. what is-- do you think the campaign's impact going to be sort of taking thematically this idea of, you know, for the people our future, the fight for our rights, how do you

think that will resonate in this thematic approach with an issue like abortion among others? >> i don't think it is just abortion they are going to be talking about. abortion actually is an issue that comes down to whether or not you are allowing them to have their own rights, so, that's trent and just the narrow issue of abortion, we are talking about voting rights and the right to make your decisions the rights to live in good housing of the rights to have a good education, the rights to be able to afford the right groceries and have the child care for your families, so, there's also affordability is going to be a major theme of this and i went yesterday shopping at a target with a mom that we, in new york, were able to help with money to help by those addresses and back-to- school supplies i saw her struggling and having her compare prices and her little 12-year-old saying you can't get that one, mommy, that when is too much. so, she will be talking about families in a broader sense, abortion is very important, but

i would not say this convention is all about that at all. we are talking about for the people, that means struggling working-class americans who are looking for someone who has their back, who has lived their experience more than donald trump ever can lay claim to. >> you know, governor, as you said that, it made me think about the economic policy proposal that vice president harris put forward, a piece of her proposal that she put forward this week and dovetailing with, something, frankly you are doing in new york. new york is sending out $300 direct payments, and newsweek has a story on it, susan blake, who qualified the money is now available to loan and moderate income families, no application is necessary. is this universal basic income? is this a pilot program that is happening in new york? what is the back story on this particular proposal? >> this is a continuation of my policies this summer to realize

that families are those struggling with inflation, we have a lot we can do, so a couple of things, $350 million that we have allocated for families to help with back-to- school spending, so, this is a one-shot infusion right now and i can't tell you how grateful this mom yesterday was yesterday, she said i cannot buy what i need for my two sons. one is autistic. they need extra help, they are just a wonderful family, and she said countless times we walked through the aisles of target. thank you for letting this happen. this would be such a struggle for us, so it is a recognition that we are hearing these voices, we also help families with childcare. i announced a plan, where a family of four, with $108,000 of income or less, their childcare costs are no longer $350 on average. it will be capped at 15. see, this is what i want to get out there is how democrats are racing the family's, we own

family values could wield that narrative, because we are the ones actually putting money in the pockets of struggling families here in new york and across the country under kamala harris's plan, and it makes a real difference. that money goes back in the economy, it helps create jobs. it is a smart investment, investing in our families. >> to that point, let's take a listen to vice president harris talking about how she will restore the child tax credit. >> so, as president, i will not only restore that tax cut, but expanded. we will provide $6000 in tax relief to families, during the first year of a child's life. >> governor, we know this works, we know it lifted children out of poverty, you shouldn't even have to make the argument to republican that this is, in fact a good thing. and yet here we are, we started by talking about women so i want to finish by talking about men, knowing that this is some of the work that the harris- walz campaign will need to do to close the gap in this election. how do you make something, like the child tax credit a message that appeals to, and resonates

with american men? >> oh, i think this is easy to do. we are talking about american families there are many many households with children. many, and they are the ones who also have to pay the bills. they are sitting at the kitchen table at night, just like a woman would be with her children. so, i wouldn't even separate men and women. this is a family issue, money back in their pockets, like we did in new york. when i first became governor. the child tax credit started at age 4. wait a minute, i have a 2-year-old grandchild with diapers, formula, everything when they are infants cost so much more money. so, why aren't we helping families, and that is exactly what kamala harris is talking about, that is what men will appreciate, getting that financial assistance, just being able to survive and also give them a better future. this is what the harris-walz will do, i'm so excited about

it. >> governor kathy hogle. are you speaking this week actually, before we let you go? >> monday night, i have a rehearsal as soon as i am done with you. >> governor, kathy hogle, we will be watching you monday night, thank you so much for your time. later in the show, folks, illinois governor, j.b. pritzker will join, life convention hall in chicago to host the democratic national convention. next, governor walz is campaigning in our home state, nebraska. if you are wondering, why nebraska? we will explain after the break. you are watching the weekend. . metamucil keeps you movin'. and try fizzing fiber plus vitamins.

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holding a rally in his home state of nebraska. nebraska, one of two states that >> there electoral votes in the harris campaign is targeting the one up for grabs in the state's second congressional district, which could be a crucial part of the vice president's path to victory in november. simone, i feel like no rally in nebraska is complete without nebraska's favorite daughter. >> this is true. >> you know what i'm actually. >> she is a corn girl. >> huskers, yes, and maybe, i think kathy use might be one of nebraska's favorite daughters. look, i think that what is happening, in terms of the outreach is absolutely critical , when you were talking, when we were talking with quinton earlier and he talked about and you put up on the screen, alicia the graphic that shows the difference between beaver and allegheny county. like, going to beaver matters, because you need to close the margin. but you also still have to go to the places where you know that if you drive up the margin it can help you. going to nebraska, particularly, where governor

walz was, he is district 2, he is in douglas county, the lines were literally out of the door around the corner. there were 70 people that could not getting, but that kind of it is jazmin district 2 translates to people who then want to sign up, people who then maybe he decides to vote early during the early period, bring other people to the polls and this is what this campaign will need if they are going to be successful because i think it will be close in november. >> this race will be a lot closer than it may feel right now from the polling. you know, again, i am not a fan of national polling until we get past labor day, and then i don't want to see any pool or registered voters. i want to see a poll of likely voters, and i think a lot of the internal work of pulling that is going on in both campaigns, trump and harris is telling them that trump has got a problem, in his backyard. he has got a problem with even in the manga space.

you saw social media accounts last week, where, you know, they are calling for the removal of his campaign leadership, calling them out as you know, deep state plans, which i find hilarious, hilarious. but i think, to quinton's conversation with quinton and your point, simon, there is going to be a tightening, and there is going to be a need to be in places, a campaign like this ordinarily and traditionally would not go. they are not, in the past, going to spend a lot of time in beaver county, what you figure out is, we know that there is a percentage of those voters along some of the lines we were talking about with governor hogle, whether it is women's reproductive health or economic policy, you know, making it a little bit easier for the weather, for the recovery from an action. those voters do exist in beaver, so, you want to go now and have

that conversation. the challenge of the problem is, republicans under this leadership, under donald trump and what he has done with the party, they cannot make that case, nationwide. >> no. >> they are one note. >> i agree and i thought it was interesting that you had walz confronting that question of the modern-day republican party, take a listen to what he said in nebraska. >> many of you can probably remember, when republicans talked about freedom they mentioned, they would never have turned their back on our allies. the traditional republican party, before donald trump contributed much to this state and this great nation. but he is not that. >> that is creating a permission structure right? that is saying you maybe someone , you are on the voting rules as republican, that is fine, this is not the republican party that made you want to be a

republican in the first place, and it feels to me that, you may be in nebraska they know that clip is running, nationwide, and that could is resonating with a much broader swath of voters. >> that is why 70,000 republicans got on the phone call. >> i was going to say. >> the other night, and said, hey, there is a lot in the policy world that i disagree with this vice president if she becomes president, but i might -- my him right now is to help her become president, because of just to governor walz point, just how out of step republicans are with the national mood and the national direction. >> i would also note it is a play for the house as well. just a two, that is a competitive house eat. right? that is a seat that democrats could capture. 20 vargas, running for that in nebraska, he was on the stage yesterday speaking as well, and some republicans, they vote for kamala harris and tim walz you also want them to cast that ballot. if you are the democrats in

nebraska for 20 vargas and sent him to the united dates congress. so, it is a full play there. so-- >> and to your point, that is why republicans are trying to change the rules so that that vote is not available to democrats because they want to take-- >> they don't have the votes. >> democrats, yeah, they are hoping vice president harris's momentum carries over to done ballot races. what we were just talking about, congressman, pat ryan is with us after the break. you are watching, you are still watching and will be watching the weekend. the weekend. ner that fights odors for 45 days. so even after every flush... you know your bathroom smells amazing. ♪ lalalalala ♪ (♪♪) (♪♪) voltaren...

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game for them ballot races this november, and that has republicans worried. four weeks ago, republican congressional committee chair, richard hudson, was talking about their expanding, was talking about republicans in the house expanding their political map into house district that president biden carried in 2020. well, now political repose reports on a private call with members just this week that he has seen significant polling shift towards democrats were quote, peaking, really at the right time. joining us now is democratic congressman, pat ryan of new york. he is a member of the house armed services committee and notably, won a seat in new york, in a very purple district. so, purple, a perfect person to talk about this. >> nice color, it works. congressman, good morning to you. so, we were talking before coming to you about the shifting in the land and how democrats are now going to places and seriously playing in the backyard and places like beaver county in pennsylvania. and certainly in a district

like yours, which will be critical in the effort to win the house i want to read to you the, sort of an overview of what this battle looks like, from the outset of the election, democrats and the majority ran through the 18 gop held house districts that biden won four years ago, 10 of which are in historically blue california and new york, but biden was lagging in the polls as voters voiced concerns about his age and democrats reported low levels of enthusiasm. so, that was sort of this kind of, this backdrop, this concern. i will be honest on the record, folks at this table no, i have said over a year ago democrats were going to take the house and it is back and a whole bunch of other things. but now, with kamala harris there has been a palpable change in how voters, in addition to the approach the democrats are taking towards this election, in a way that that number, which is

concerning to the majority in the house right now could be a lot bigger for democrats this fall, in terms of their efforts to win back the house and, quite honestly, maybe even do a little damage in the senate. what say you, sir? >> good morning, guys, thanks for having me. i am here in my district in new york. i am telling you, the energy right now, it is like jet fuel to a jet engine and blast off. i have not seen anything like it in my lifetime. and i think actually i know trump emma vance, the whole crew are really on their heels, getting increasingly desperate and what we are seeing is in our campaign and the campaigns across the country moving from on our heels to on the fronts of our feet and on the attack and moral high ground. we are talking about vice president harris taking command of this campaign on this race

by centering something i've been talking about for a long time, democrats are the patriotic party, the party of freedom, more freedom for more americans would trump advance and project 2025 are trying to take away fundamental freedoms starting with reproductive freedom, but we know, if you read project 2025, much more that they are trying to take away. >> ended their desperation, congressman you have seen them launch attacks on governor walz service to this country, and we know why that is. if we can pull up the numbers from the washington post cnn college poll, it finds that walz is more favorable than vance. walz has a favorability of 39%, what message does it send suit to service members, former servicemembers, like yourself, congressman that this is where the republican party is? >> it is pathetic. i mean, vance attacking walz,

served 24 years proudly, honorably? but also, let's not forget, two or three days ago, donald trump, publicly just denigrating medal of honor recipients, the most revered recognition for heroism and gallantry in combat, the medal of honor, and donald trump just absolutely you know what all over that, all over the service of my fellow veterans, i mean, i served 27 months in combat, where with this memorial bracelet with the names of my friends, my fellow west wing grads the soldiers that we lost, and i think every veteran, every american watching that has to call him out and, for the love of everything holy, can the gop finally stop backing this guy, who does not understand what service is? who

does not understand the duty and obligation that comes with citizenship, observing something greater than oneself is unfit to be, not only president, but certainly commander in chief. >> congressman, you know, i have to imagine that private conversations amongst your fellow veterans that you're having with your fellow veterans is was very stark this week. you have someone who was formerly the commander-in-chief of the united states military, speaking this way, and if we are going to be honest, he has spoken this way his entire life about the military right? this wasn't new, but it is just so brazen. what are folks saying privately , like is this the breaking point you think? because this just has to be, donald trump could-- he could win an election. i know the harris campaign has

the momentum, i definitely think they are in a position, where the vice president could absolutely become the president of the united states of america, but donald trump could win, it could be close. are people concerned about that gamble, that he could be in the oval office? >> absolutely. and i think-- i do think this latest comment, i mean, he has insulted goldstar families, wounded soldiers, military families. those lost in combat, but medal of honor recipient, he awarded 12 of these himself when he was the president. seems to not understand what gallantry and selfless service means. i think it was a pretty significant moment actually, the national vfw, which has been very careful to their credit, to stay out of the political arena, certainly, they even made a statement that called this remarks from trump asinine, and the president of the vfw right now is a vietnam

combat veteran, a bronze star valor recipient and purple heart recipient. these are across the spectrum, folks that are reasonably seeing this as they should, not as republican and democrat, but, are you a patriot? because this is a moment where, if you are a patriot, you have got to understand donald trump is not, and has never been and should not be anywhere near commanding our troops. >> congressman pat ryan. thank you very much for your time and for your service, we appreciate you. next hour, we will hear from senator, elizabeth warren on the vice president's new economic platform right? okay, we are talking about it. be sure to shut follow us on social media, folks. remember our handle everywhere is at the weekend at msnbc. w. ♪liberty, liberty,♪ ♪liberty, liberty.♪

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donald trump cannot distance himself from his project 2025, no matter how hard he tries. new video shows project 2025 co- architect, russell, a former member of the trump administration, talking openly about his close relationship with the ex-president. what's more? he says trump has braced his grip's work, culligan quote, very supportive. >> i expect to hear 10 more times from a rally at the

presidents distancing himself from the left, bogeyman project 2025. it is interesting, he is, in fact, not even opposing himself to a particular policy. he has raised money for an organization, walking into our last day in office and telling him what i was going to do, so he is very supportive of what we do. >> i mean, we have been saying it. >> i know, i was like what-- >> i mean, honestly, this is why it all comes back to, i think about the -- just low-- the disrespect, frankly, that donald trump has for the just -- i think iq of the american people. >> in other words, he thinks we are stupid. >> yes, he thinks we are done, we will just say whatever and take his word even though we see all of these people associated with project 2025 that are associated with you, do we have a little graphic? because if we don't have the

graphic right now you have-- here we go. come on now, we don't even have it in the thing, but we put up so much he was a dhs official with trump, my best he, jean hamilton, rick dearborn, rick dearborn was on-- i mean, ben carson, who has been running around america for donald trump, like come on. >> you can't escape. look, no one believes the lie under the fantasy that somehow this effort, which i know began back in the day, when my friend , james was running heritage and it was some real consternation about what this would turn out to be, the direction that it was headed, and here we are. you can't deny. this has not been a short-term thing, oh, we just thought about this and came up with it and nobody in trump world knows anything about it. everybody in trump world had their candidate. and played a role in fashioning this for a

second trump term. so don't look me in the face and tell me that it is that that is not the case. and, you know, now they are back stroking, this backstroke till the cows come home, baby, but you on this. >> but there was something interesting i thought which was that donald trump has not distance himself from a single policy, right? it is not that he has had no, i promise that i am not going to fire 50,000 government and, no, i don't want to got the department of education. yes being specifically unspecific, which is what he always does. >> of course. >> you can transpose. >> that is the point. >> you make a good point, he is not only being specifically unspecific, when donald trump did his chitchat with elon musk, when it finally got started, he endorsed getting the department of education, saying we need to get rid of it, so he talked about a number of

things that are, in fact within that 900 page document and project 2025. so, i just really think people need to take this seriously, seriously, because this is what they are going to do if they get reelected. >> one of the best-- there are a lot of good parts to the story that is coming up, but i think probably some of the more damning good parts are these videos. the training videos. >> my goodness. >> so, now we kind of see the behind the curtain preparation and the thinking and how they wanted to approach this effort. and it really does tie in this narrative that this is the baseline, the foundation to exactly what you are just saying, simon, upending the department of education, renaming the department of health and human services to the department of life. who knows what that means. >> the dieting women, the care they needed, abortion or

anything else and they don't think we should have. >> but it does more than just that. there are other aspects of that department, rebranding it does what? so, you have all of these questions that they only know the answer to and those training videos gives you some peek behind the curtain to thinking of what those answers are. >> and in addition to these policies not be normal this is not what a normal transition looks like right? a normal transition you win on election, you make sense of where he wants to go, it is not a multiyear commitment with hundreds of thousands of dollars spent and this many people stopped in advance. >> yeah, normal, and to be clear, a normal transition is funded by the united its government. until right now, donald trump and kamala harris, the vice president, they have access to the transition, and they should be standing up transition teams and those teams should be liaison in with their potential counterparts in the government, so that whomever wins is ready

to do more of a deep dive, post november, but that is too much like right? >> well, when your goal is to deconstruct the government, transition? well, there is no transition, we are taking it all down. so, there you are. all right, you are going to want to grab a shot of espresso or a cup of tea. i know you tea drinkers are mad that we only ever talk about the copy. coming up next we have dnc chair, jimmy harrison, senator, elizabeth warren, april barrett and governor, j.b. pritzker. we are somehow squeezing that all in the next hour of the weekend. ♪ trains that use the power of dell ai and intel. ♪ to see hundreds of miles of tracks. ♪ [vroom] [train horn] [buzz] clearing the way, [whoosh] so you arrive exactly where you belong.

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