donald trump, and then about joyful with kamala harris. >> trump gave us an era of darkness, and i think that biden has been able to crack through a little sunlight. >> all right. the reverend al sharpton. thank you so much. stay right here as you will be joining us at the top of "morning joe." thank you again. thanks to all of you for getting up "way too early" on this tuesday morning. we will be back here live from chicago tomorrow. "morning joe" starts right now. ♪ ♪ this is going to be a great week. and i want to kick us off by celebrating our incredible president, joe biden. joe, thank you for your historic leadership, for your lifetime of

service to our nation, and for all you will continue to do. we are forever grateful to you. >> vice president kamala harris making a surprise appearance on the first night of the democratic national convention, speaking for about two minutes after walking out to thunderous applause from the audience. throughout the evening we saw speakers deliver impassioned remarks to a fired-up crowd. the line-up includes a who's who within the democratic party like hillary clinton, congressman jim clyburn, congressman jamie raskin and governor andy beshear of kentucky. there were also nonpublic officials like uaw president sean payne, nba coach steve kerr, and several abortion rights activists. good morning and welcome to "morning joe." >> well, it is quite a night, huh? >> it was. it went late though. it went too late. >> willie, a little late? >> i think the president just

stopped speaking a few minutes ago. >> a little late. >> not his fault. just ran a little late with the program. >> it was fabulous. >> it was a good night. >> i mean they started the president's speech literally at the same time they start "saturday night live." >> on the back page of the paper. >> i'm serious. >> that's true, 11:30. >> i got to see it the next morning on hulu or something like that, but a great night. >> it was. >> wonderful. along with joe, willie and me, it is great for us to be together. unusual. the host of the podcast with donny deutsch. >> in the house. >> look at this. >> i know. >> not regretting it yet. >> political analyst and publisher of a newsletter. and in chicago, the host of "way too early" white house chief at "politico", jonathan lemire. the president of the national action network and host of msnbc's "politics nation" reverend al sharpton. with us, pulitzer prize winner

and associate editor of "the washington post," eugene robinson. good to have you all on board with us this morning. should we dive in. >> let's do it. >> and hear from the president. people might have been asleep. president biden took to the stage to close out night one of the convention. he spoke for nearly an hour, listing off the accomplishments of his administration, criticizing former-president trump and making the case for vice president kamala harris as the best person to lead the country. >> trump continues to lie about crime in america, like everything else. guess what? on his watch the murder rate went up 30%, the biggest increase in history. meanwhile, we made the largest investment, kamala and i, in public safety, ever. now the murder rate is falling faster than any time in history. violent crime has dropped to the lowest level in more than 50

years, and crime will keep coming down when we put a prosecutor in the oval office instead of a convicted felon. kamala and tim will protect your freedom. they'll protect your vote -- your right to vote. they'll protect your civil rights. and you know trump will do everything to ban abortion nationwide. oh, he will. you know kamala and tim will do everything they possibly can. that's why you have to elect the senate and house to restore roe v. wade. folks, i've got five months left in my presidency. i've got a lot to do. i intend to get it done. it's been the honor of my lifetime to serve as your

president. i love the job, but i love my country more. >> you know, willie, you're right. he hit all of the notes. it was late, but there were people staying up, of course, on the west coast, nevada, in arizona, of course in the central time zone not quite so late. the president delivered, but this was a night obviously about kamala harris. she came out earlier in the evening. the place just exploded. she somehow -- she's really stepped into this moment. jfk said so many years ago, "when you see daylight you run to it." that's politically why he ran in 1960, the daylight opened up. i don't know of anybody who expected her to excel in the way she has, to just absolutely

explode on the national stage the way she has and as positively as she has. you are seeing the numbers and the polls, you are seeing it in the number of volunteers. it is pretty extraordinary and last night was the first of her convention and what a star turn she took. >> one of the reasons that people supported president biden staying in the rate, didn't want him to drop out was because they were worried about what would come next, and likely it would be vice president kamala harris. well, talk to them now less than a month, believe it or not, since joe biden dropped out. he dropped out on july 21st. today is august 20th. it has been less than a month since all of this happened. >> it is unbelievable. >> talk to those people now and they'll say, i was wrong, i underestimated kamala harris, shame on me. she has done an incredible job, her campaign has done a great job. we have heard about all of the polling done and the enthusiasm in the democratic party. we saw it in that hall for president biden, for hillary clinton, for aoc, for all of the people who came out, for the leaders of the union, for the

victims of draconian abortion laws across the country. there was living, breathing enthusiasm, the manifestation of everything we have seen on paper for the last couple of weeks. >> here is the very sophisticated analytics of it. it felt good. it just felt really good from start to finish. biden, his -- >> by the way, donny, you are joking about it, you can't fake that. >> no. that's my next point. >> people either enjoying themselves or they're not. i will say people always ask, "well, how do you do the show," well, we have for 17 years, what's the formula, how do you guys do it? we're like, we like each other. we have fun. >> true. >> and everybody that comes on, we have a good time. i mean you look at a convention like that, you can't calculate it. you have in two republican candidates, two guys who at

least publicly, in their public person project angry. they're looking for retribution, they're looking for people to blame, they're looking for a reason to be upset. they're looking for a reason, you know, to resent. you look at the democratic national convention and i swear i never thought i would see it in my lifetime. as a republican i thought it is just too easy to beat democrats because they're afraid to have a good time, they're afraid to be joyful, they're afraid to wave the flag. i will tell you, what republicans feared the most last night was the joy but also the chants of "usa, usa, usa." why did that ring true. >> because the republican party has sold itself to a man who lies about america every day and says we're a nation in decline. who lies about america every day and says we're a nation of

losers. who lies about america every day and says that we are just on the verge of collapse. no, not true. the data doesn't bear it out economically, militarily, culturally, socially, in every way. this is a great country, so now the democratic party can cheer "usa, usa, usa" and it is a hell of a contrast with the presidential candidate on the republican side that talks down about america every day on the stumph. >> you know what is interesting about that, and i don't know if you are finding it as you talk to trump voters, that joy, that jubilation, the feel-good is going to the voters. when i talked to people voting right now for kamala, that's excited. you talk to people voting for trump, they're upset. it is trickling down to the populous and working its way back. i think elections are run on gut, on feeling and emotion, and it is all certainly going

democratic. final point on biden, his one when he talked about i was too young to be a senator, i was too old to be president and i gave it my best, that's a summation of this man's entire career. that's 50 years summed up. >> this goes well into your piece, for the sink "the rise of the brat pack and the new democratic political style." my daughter just gave me a tutorial on being brat the other night. i was like, okay, but it is a thing? >> it is a thing. obviously we are talking about the bringing story here is one candidate replacing another and the kind of triumphant of kamala harris taking over this party. but i think there's a deeper story beneath the candidate swap, which is kind of a style, a new style that we've actually talked about over the years on this show where things like storytelling, emotion, speaking to the gut, not just being policy minded but kind of throwing a better party. >> that's a great set of words.

>> you know, these things are -- have been neglected in recent years by democrats. we talked at the end of last year on this set about, you know, there was no movement. there was this kind of claim of an existential threat to democracy but no movement, and people weren't acting like it. i think with the ascension of kamala harris and the people she is listening to, which is more important in a way than one individual, there is a new political style in town. we are seeing with this dnc a democratic party that is not just wonky but knows how to generate joy, knows how to speak to people in those guttural places, knows how to tell that kind of story. to your last point about that kind of joy that spreads, there's a weird word for this in political junkie circles. mobisuasion is the idea you don't persuade by watering down your stuff to cater to moderates in diners in western pennsylvania. you actually persuade by revving

up your people so they can't stop talking about their excitement, and their uncles over here, their excitement, their neighbors over here, their excitement. so i think we are seeing a democratic party that's not so worried about moderate voters and is actually more worried about making people feel things in ways that create a kind of contagion of joy and enthusiasm. >> joe mentioned something really important, that you get your piece as well, and that is reclaiming patriotism. this is not by accident. all of the signs in the arena said usa on them, they were chanting usa. this was a party, and our mutual friend, governor wes moore has talked about this, i'm not ceding patriotism to donald trump. just because you call yourself patriot and have flags, it is not about staging a coup at the capitol. how important is that part of the message?

>> it is so important. it is reclaiming patriotism and reclaiming freedom. both of these things were wrongly conceded to the far right. >> can i say why they were wrongly conceded? let's not go back and pretend. democrats were afraid. >> absolutely. >> i would be onsets with them in the '90s and early 2000s and they would say, america is great. they couldn't go, yes, it is. they could not do it. it was reflexive. it was weird. it is like, well, but look what we're doing here, look what we're doing there. they couldn't do what democrats learned how to do after donald trump started trashing america and saying, you know what? america is great. we still have a long way to go to be a more perfect union, but we're doing that together, and that promise makes america even greater. democrats, i don't know when they figured it out. they figured out a couple of years ago, but they figured it out at the same time republicans -- >> exactly. >> -- started nominating a

candidate who literally doesn't get america. >> yeah. >> who literally stomps on america. who literally says that america is in decline, that america is terrible. what did he say? what was his inaugural speech? >> american carnage. >> by the way, i still, i still am amazed. talked about american carnage when crime rates were at a 50-year low and illegal border crossings at the southern border were at a 50-year low, he talked about american carnage. that's how wrong he was about america being bad then, that's how wrong he is about america being bad now. >> yeah, and i think he has his story of america, and what was missing was, as you said, because i think a lot of democrats felt it was cringe to be -- to be patriotic in that way. there was not always a counterpatriotism, a more progressive version of patriotism and i think you are

finding it now. it is not a patriotism that erases hard truths about america history, it doesn't need to lie or distort, but it is about perfecting over time. >> what about the promise and possibilities that america offers that other countries don't? >> yes. >> and that's something that donald trump i think just brought out in the democrats because they realized, don't take away our possibilities, don't take away our promises, don't take away our rights. some of the other speakers from last night included former secretary of state hillary clinton and congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez. here's some of what they had to say. >> we're not just electing a president. we are uplifting our nation. we are opening the promise of america wide enough for everyone. together we put a lot of cracks in the highest, hardest glass

ceiling. tonight, tonight so close to breaking through once and for all. you know what? on the other side of that glass ceiling is kamala harris raising her hand and taking the oath of office as our 47th president of the united states! my friends, when a barrier falls for one of us, it falls. it falls and clears the way for all of us. i want, i want my grandchildren and their grandchildren to know i was here at this moment, that we were here and that we were with kamala harris every step of the way. this is our time, america. this is when we stand up. this is when we break through. the future is here. it is in our grasp.

let's go win it! >> as a prosecutor, kamala locked up murderers and drug traffickers. she will never rest in defense of our freedom and safety. donald trump fell asleep at his own trial, and when he woke up he made his own kind of history, the first person to run for president with 34 felony convictions. as vice president -- as vice president, kamala sat in the situation room. [ chanting: lock him up, lock

him up j together we must elect strong democratic majorities in the house and senate so we can deliver on an ambitious agenda for the people. because if you are a working parent trying to afford rent and child care, kamala is for you. if you are a senior who had to go back to work because your retirement didn't stretch far enough, kamala is for you. if you are an immigrant family just starting your american story, kamala is for you. i see a leader who understands. i see a leader with a real commitment to a better future for working families. and, chicago, we have to help

her win because we know that donald trump would sell this country for a dollar if it meant lining his own pocket and greasing palms of his wall street friends. i for one am tired of hearing about how a two bit union buster thinks of himself as more of a patriot than the woman who fights every single day to lift working people out from under the boots of greed treading on our way of life. >> so gene robinson in chicago, aoc may have gotten the biggest ovation inside the hall last night. lemere, you can speak to that, rev as well. hillary clinton got a big ovation, president biden did as well. eugene, the argument that aoc was making last night was that the democrats actually are the party of working people, that she was a bartender who because

of the greatness of the country, going back to that idea of reclaiming patriotism, the greatness of the country ascended to become a prominent united states congresswoman, making that case. obviously there's a lot in there for hillary clinton standing back during the "lock him up" chants as the crowd chanted about donald trump. what were some of your takeaways from last night? >> well, aoc made that point about the democrats being the party of working people and that's a point the party has been trying to make all along. she made it in a really effective way, again, appealing to the way people feel, not just the way they think, not just their analysis. but i thought her speech was a real highlight. i thought hillary clinton -- i don't know frankly that i have ever heard hillary clinton that good. she was powerful. she told stories compellingly. she was fiery. she was -- and she was iconic,

which was amazing. senator warnock. >> amazing. >> boy, i'll tell you, the person i felt sorriest for last night was senator chris coons because he had to follow raphael warnock who preached, who preached to not just a hall but a nation in just the most compelling way. you know, i think he made you -- he put it inside of you. he made you feel it from the inside, and those were real highlights for me. >> yeah, we should note senator worn okay will join us on "morning joe" later here this morning from chicago. guys, we can't stress enough the enthusiasm that was in this room last night. this was a joyful, this was an excited crowd. they were loud throughout, and certainly joe biden, president biden received a lot of the adulation, chants of "thank you,

joe" throughout the evening, signs handed out saying "we heart joe." look, some of that, of course, is appreciation for his decision to step away as much as it is for his time in office, and the president -- certainly reverend al spent a lot of time last night ticking through his list of accomplishments, saying, look, this is what the vice president and i have built. now i'm passing the torch with a hug to her going forward, saying you're now the person to defeat donald trump. but there are a number of highlights, there are so many to pick from including secretary clinton who made herself part of a story, and she acknowledged she couldn't get there, she didn't break that hardest, highest glass ceiling she speaks about so often and so emotionally, but she said vice president harris is the one to do it. >> but i think it captured what we're talking about this morning, a sense of hope that we are part of a continuing fight to break down barriers and we can break them down. i think that what is important

about what we are discussing this morning, people that are driven by hope and not despair are the ones that change society. i mean the civil rights movement was "we shall overcome." '88, jesse jackson who we wheeled out last night, keep hope alive. barack obama, the audacity of hope. i think what we've seen too much among democrats is despair, how unfair it is. you have to give people a glimmer of hope. i think what i saw last night more than i have seen in a long time is hopeful people, people that are joyous and say "we can do this" because if you feel you can do it, you can do it. every speaker kind of brought that home last night. hillary clinton was excellent. aoc was excellent. raphael warnock in a league by himself. but i think all of us saying we can really do this, we are coming out of this darkness donald trump has put us in, he wants us to keep recycling that. >> that message of hope, joe and

mika, certainly will be center stage tonight when former president barack obama delivers this evening's keynote address. >> absolutely. still ahead on "morning joe" we will hear from several of last night's speakers including kentucky governor andy beshear and democratic congressman jim clyburn, plus michigan governor gretchen whitmer who is in chicago for the convention, will be our guest this morning. first, donald trump continues his personal attacks against kamala harris despite growing calls from republicans for him to pivot to policy. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. ♪ it's the same old song ♪ ♪ but with a different beat since you've been gone ♪ ♪ ♪

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she set the standard in california. think of this. if you steal $950 or less, they're going to leave you alone. they can't be bothered. so you see criminals going into stores with little computer, adding it up, everything they've stolen. they want to stay under the $950, but they don't get prosecuted for above that. the only one that gets prosecuted is somebody would talk about the unfair election. they get prosecuted. we're a nation in decline.

we are going down the drain. they were bringing lots of tar, loads of it. we dump it in houston and they refine it. we have pure stuff. we have the best and we have the most right under our feet. it is liquid gold, and we're going to use it and we're going to reduce our deficit. we are going to reduce our debt, and we're going to reduce your taxes. if you would like to go from here to, let's say, washington to look after we fix the capitol up and make it safe again, which will take approximately like -- quickly. what would happen if we had a war? we won't with me, but you will have world war iii i believe without me. but we won't have, but what would happen if we did? >> they said we're weird, j.d. and i are weird. i think we're extremely normal people. we're like you, exactly like you. ♪ and i'm proud to be an american ♪ ♪ where at least i know i'm free ♪ ♪ and i won't forget the men who

died who gave that right to me ♪ ♪ and i gladly stand up next to you and defend her still today ♪ >> well, smart to go to a critical state, much more disciplined message needed. i have been through this twice. you want to go to your -- you want to go to these places and you want to have a simple message that the media has to cover. instead, he gives them a gigantic smorgasbord, some written into a speech draft and some ad hoc and they get to pick and choose. who thinks that the dominant media in this country is going to pick the thing that is best productive for him in getting votes? they're going to pick out something like he just said, casting aspersions on kamala harris or president biden. so, yes, you want to do this. you want to go to critical states. he is going later this week to arizona, critical battleground state, to talk about immigration. but in order to force the media

to cover your message you need to be disciplined, focused and short. >> it is not about forcing the, quote, dominant media. >> that was. >> karl rove said it himself, brett hume said it himself, the "wall street journal" editorial page said it themselves. it is not -- i know some anti-trumpers say, it is about the mainstream media. no, donald trump's own people, donnie, are saying this is a disastrous message, it is a disastrous campaign. they even talk about his acceptance speech, the second half of his acceptance speech was a long, rambling diatribe. he had america there with him and completely let it go. that's their words, not the, quote, dominant media. not "the new york times" editorial page. that thing yesterday, i don't care who was covering it, that

was just weird. what did i say? insurrectionists, weirdos and freaks, man. i don't know where that fit on that scale, but that was just strange. >> those people seemed uncomfortable behind him. >> well, one was doing the george h.w. bush checking my watch. >> contrast of what we just sat through. >> yeah. >> you know, he looks like a loser. he looks like he is going through the motions. the other thing, joe, you and i talked about this last week, they say pivot to the issue. you don't have crime as an issue anymore, violent crime is down 24%. you don't have the economy. we don't have to tick off every metric of the economy which is going great, and even illegal border crossings were lowest since 2019 last month. they don't have these grand issues to sit behind. you have style and substance on the other side of the equation. more than anything, i want to go back to that word feelings. feels like -- i almost used the

bad word. >> don't do that. >> he feels like a loser, feels that way. >> on the issues, mika, why doesn't he talk about illegal border crossings? because they're down lower than when he left office. when joe biden was there and he didn't always respond to everything, he could say it. he knows now, he hears kamala harris now talking about how he compares unfavorably on illegal border crossings, how violent crime is lower than it was when donald trump left office. right now, i just don't know that he has anywhere to go. >> sorry, mika, by the way, on the immigration question kamala harris has a line president biden never used, that donald trump killed legislation, fix the problem and i will sign it. that's her line. >> it kind of obliterates everything they wanted to say. in the category of here he goes again, here is something else he said at the manufacturing plant in the city of york, pennsylvania. take a look.

>> we don't need lectures on the economy from the candidate pushing communist price controls. kamala has no idea what the hell she is doing. her father is a marxist professor, and i believe he taught her well. you know he is a marxist professor. can you imagine? does anyone know that? i wonder if they knew that when they did an over throw or a coup on joe biden. i wonder if they knew where she comes from, where she came from, what her ideology is. kamala is also on a regulatory jihad to shut down power plants all across america. >> there you go. there you have it, reverend al. kamala harris in an administration that has watched the economy explode, go stronger than any other economy. >> make history. >> than any other economy in the west, make history. this so-called communist has

presided over the dow going over 40,000 points. the stock markets are higher than they were when donald trump was president. oil production, higher than it was when donald trump was president. our economy, stronger than it was relative to the rest of the world when donald trump was president. all he does is he throws out insults, attacks her father, says she's not black, says she just figured out that she was black, says that she's not attractive, that he's better looking than she is. this is why the pundits at fox news and at the "wall street journal" and other conservative outlets are being as critical of donald trump as they are. he's missing the message. >> he is not only missing the message, he is appearing desperate. he is like a man losing a fight that just is swinging with no strategy and no training, and it

makes no sense. when you look at the record, what you have just outlined in terms of where the economy is under biden and harris, i mean we are looking at inflation under 3% and you are talking about a woman who has spent her life prosecuting criminals and fighting for fairness at the same time. you make this a communist and you blame it on her father who you claimed she was not black, her black father, so i mean the message is so convoluted that it becomes nonsensical but it shows the desperation of donald trump. he can't figure out how to fight kamala harris because he has lost all the fight in him. he knows he is on his way down, and i think that he's just screaming and yelling and kicking while he's on his way out. >> what that was was a sulking, low energy donald trump who said a week or so back he thought his campaign would be down this week. they would let the convention go

as it may, but now because he is down in the polls he has a full week of campaigning. he didn't want to be there yesterday. gene job inson, not only did he fall back on inflammatory language and, frankly, racist accusations he also, i'm told by people closest to him, is in a pure panic about the tv ratings that vice president harris is going to get thursday night for her acceptance speech, thinking it will dwarf what he got in milwaukee a few weeks ago. so we're presented with this contrast. we have a sullen, sulking donald trump meanwhile contrasting to the joy we saw here last night. >> exactly. it couldn't have been a bigger contrast. tv ratings, crowd sizes, you know, the length of ovation, stuff like that, that size matters to donald trump in a big way. he's losing that and he can't --

you know, he loves to direct and control the news cycle and, you know, he will say something crazy to get out in front and get the attention. he can't do that. he keeps missing the mark. and as the rev said, he is like swinging and punching wilder and wilder. so this is -- this is just the beginning of what we're going to see i think from donald trump in the weeks to come. i think it is going to get worse. it is going to get more nonsensical. it is going to get more offensive and, ultimately, more pathetic. >> we also saw yesterday donald trump pushing out knowingly a.i.-generated fake images one of taylor swift saying, "vote for trump." obviously it was invented. one of kamala harris speaking to a communist gathering. obviously a doctored photo there. for the guy who put out -- questioned whether or not the crowd sizes for kamala harris's

rally is documented on tv and numerous media outlets were fake. so he is pushing out fake information and does, as rev says, seems to be flailing when trying to figure out how do i go at this new candidate. go back again a month. they were talking about running up margins in states, talking about winning states republicans hadn't won in generations. totally flipped on its head now. >> i mean you think back to 2016, you know, he had a movement, right. there was a movement. it wasn't a good movement. it didn't want good things, but he had a real movement, and if you went out and -- there was something happening. there was an excitement about the future. there was a sense that he would break up the system and roll the dice and change things. that energy is gone from his side, and in these intervening years you and i have talked about the democrats didn't necessarily have that sense of a movement to counter him. now the equation eight years later has completely flipped. the democrats have a movement.

they have policies. they have accomplishments, but also they have a movement. they have a movement that makes people feel things. they have more volunteers than they know what to do with. president biden loves this irish poem about when hope and history rhyme, and he made this choice to kind of cement his legacy and kind of recede into history in a sense and cap his history yesterday, and by doing that they injected a level of hope into this that turns them into the movement story of the country. if you have a movement that people feel like they're making the future, it is very hard to stop that. >> that's one half of the story. the second half of the story frustrating donald trump supporters is -- and, you know, nikki haley has said this. i think the "wall street journal" editorial page has said this. they knew better. the republican party knew better and they chose the past. they chose a guy who had lost year after year after year after

year. they chose a guy with felony convictions. they chose a guy that they knew had said terrible things, had done terrible things, but they were going to stay with him because this was all about retribution and all about resentment. >> right. >> so that split screen that you see is what you are talking about, the future and a past and not really a successful political past unless you talk about one night when he won in 2016 and then lost every year after that. >> who likes a sullen, sulking, race-baiting campaign? i'm just not thinking it is going to fly this time. >> about 45% of america. >> all right. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> reverend al sharpton and eugene robinson, thank you both as well. coming up, senator john fetterman is making headlines for skipping this week's dnc in

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we've been through dark times in these months of anguish, war, and during that time i can say that israel has had no better friend than senator john fetterman. senator, welcome to israel. i want to thank you for your -- your courageous statements that show moral clarity and moral courage, and you just say it where it is. we appreciate this friendship at all times but especially at this time. so welcome, friend. welcome. >> well, we stand with israel through this and i'm so sorry for what's been done to this nation, but i'm just an honor to be here today. >> that was democratic senator john fetterman of pennsylvania meeting with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu in jerusalem earlier this summer.

since the october 7th attack by hamas, fetterman has emerged as one of the most pro israel voices in congress, and in the process rankled many of the progressives in his party. joining us now from the democratic national convention in chicago, senior editor at "the free press" peter savatnik. he recently interviewed the senator for a new piece entitled "john fetterman has no regrets." >> meter, thank you for being here. obviously some of his staff members do have regrets. one of the most fascinating quotes i have seen is his communication director coming out and lecturing the senator on foreign policy and suggest that he has a more simple view of the world than those younger than him. >> that's right. >> i'm curious. any reaction, any fall-out from that? >> so far it has been weirdly quiet. i was on a plane most of the day yesterday getting here, so i

haven't heard from anyone, but, no, i mean there's a strange quiet. so nothing yet. >> so i don't agree with him about israel and gaza. carrie adams, communication's director told me in a phone call after my interview with the senator ended. she went on and talked about how people his age, you know, i have a sense that the international views are a lot less nuanced than my generation, because when he was growing up it was might makes right, and for my generation and younger, who, of course, are the ones protesting this, they have a much more nuanced view of the region, adams added. we'll just leave that hanging in the air there for a variety of reasons, but i will ask you about this transformation of john fetterman from a progressive hero when he first ran to more of a centrist, kind

of cut -- cut from the cloth of past pennsylvania centrist democrats. >> i don't think actually a lot has changed with john fetterman. john fetterman is a quintessential liberal. he's a reminder of what the democratic party used to be with regard to all of the hot button issues including israel and immigration. he is exactly where labor was until not that long ago, so i think he casts a spotlight kind of unwittingly or unhelpfully for some democrats on this disconnect between where the party is now and where it once was. >> so, peter, tell me about this strategy from senator fetterman. i trust it is in good faith, but it also was notable when he first came out and sort of broke with the progressive wing of his party and said, "i stand with israel." they suffered a heinous attack on october 7th. they were attacked by a terrorist group. by the way, just this morning, breaking news, the idf went in and recovered six more bodies of

dead hostages and brought them home, inside gaza. so what has this road been like for him since october 7th within the party? >> yeah, it has been lonely. you know, he is a man who has routinely protested and, you know, he is attacked and he is called genocide john and they've protested outside his home. i think, you know, there's a feeling of being under siege. so, yeah, i think it is -- you know, he has gone from, as you noted, there's been a metamorphosis but it hasn't had to do with him as fetterman exposing a disconnect from where he is and where the democratic party is, or at least the progressive base is. >> let's be fairly clear. it is common sometimes for staffers to criticize their boss. what is not common is they put their name on it and go on the record and say, i flat out disagree with this.

setting that aside, it highlights to your point how senator fetterman is sort of on an island. what is his political future? how does he see the next two years, the next term? how does it all play out? >> yeah, so that's a great question and i don't know how it is going to play out. he is not up for reelection until 2028. i don't know that he has actually gamed this out, but there clearly is this fissure that has opened up between the young people on the left and sort of this older establishment or older -- i should say more r to be seen how that unfolds. >> lastly, at this moment of party unity in chicago, nowhere senator fetterman not here. why? >> he said what all politicians say when they want to bow out or show up, he wants to be with his family. which maybe the case and completely understandable. it's hard to imwhen you if he were being celebrated by the

party, he would be absent from chicago. >> all right. senior editor at the free press, thank you very much for your piece and insights this morning. we appreciate it. >> thank you so much. it is really strange about the -- the attack against your own member. i will say, donny, that there is -- there is this bleach that every young person in the democratic party is against israel and supports hamas and what hamas is doing. it's not the case. not only is it not the case, you look at polls. poll after poll after poll, and there's not a massive swing of young voters saying that they're -- they're for -- you know, hamas getting their way in gaza or they're -- they hate the israeli. it's a crazy case. >> crazy fringe on each side. the reality is be the biden

administration has done everything possible you can do for israel. they signed a $20 billion package, and kamala harris, if you looktsz her voting record in the straight, always voted with israel. so there's this weird kind of misnomer that all of a sudden the democratic party is lurching in one direction. it's not. it supports israel unequivocally. it's okay to say, and we need to be careful about civilians. that doesn't disqualify your support for israel. sometimes people mistake that for a -- which is purely empathy, where there's a gray area in their support and there isn't. >> well, there's the support of israel, willie, and at the same time, the biden-harris administration have been pushing harder than anybody for a cease-fire and a hostage deal, and -- and there is -- there is a very strained relationship between joe biden and benjamin netanyahu because netanyahu stands alone until yesterday, at least, opposing this peace deal.

>> secretary blinken is there right now and in israel and met with prime minister netanyahu yesterday. got netanyahu to agree to sort of some terms, a bridge to a deal, sort of the deal before the deal, which, of course, hamas immediately came out and condemned. so the question i guess for the biden administration is, you're negotiating with a partner in hamas that is a terrorist death cult, again six bodies of hostages who were killed by hamas recovered just this morning and brought back to israel, so how do you get to a deal that satisfies both israel and hamas, the terrorists on the other side? . it's so frustrating. still ahead. democratic governors andy beshear of kentucky and gretchen whitmer of michigan, will join us live from chicago. politico's jonathan martin is with us to discuss his new piece "how democrats reversed the script on the gop." "morning joe" will be right back. orning joe" will be right back

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nation. he says we're losing. he's the loser. he's dead wrong. 44 never thought i would stand before a crowd of democrats and refer to a president as a liar so many times. i'm not trying to be funny. it's sad. trump continues to lie about the border. here's what he won't tell you. trump killed the strongest bipartisan border deal in the history of the united states. that we negotiated with the senate republicans for weeks. once it passed and everybody acknowledged those expansive border change in american history, he called senators to say, don't support the bipartisan bill. i think he said it would help me politically and hurt him

politically. my god. i'm serious. think about it. not a joke. ask them in the press that doesn't like me, he'll tell you that's true. typically, trump, once again, putting himself first and america last. then i had to take executive action. the result of the executive action i took, border encounters have dropped over 50%. in fact, there are fewer border crossings today than when donald trump left office. unlike trump, we will not demonize immigrants. saying they're the poison of blood of america, poison the blood of our country? welcome back to "morning joe." it is tuesday, august 20th. jonathan lemire and donny deutsch with us and joining the conversation we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle,

long-time political strategist, mike murphy, and senior political columnist for politico, jonathan martin. his latest piece is entitled "how democrats reversed the script on the gop." and they really have. >> they -- >> so many ways. there. >> jonathan, explain the thesis of your piece. >> thanks for having me. look, i think historically it's always been the republicans who were seen as the talk down, ruthless, cold-blooded party. you have to fall in line, don't fall in love. we're here to win general elections. put a sock in it if you have any problems with that, pal. that's become the democratic mantra now. that's how they operate. look no further than what nancy pelosi did over the summer. democrats, joe, have adopted the al davis strategy, just win, baby. and i think that's what we're seeing on this party and it's entirely because of donald trump. he's the best force for organization for unity, for mobilization, for fundraising

the democrats have i think that's why they are so focused and that's why they finally came to terms with biden being a liability and pushed him off the ticket. it's also why so many republicans, joe, wish they could do what the democrats did and swap in a stronger nominee of their own. >> well, i mean they had the chance. they were warned time and time again. nikki haley was right, if you nominate this guy, you're headed for trouble. and the primary voters in the republican party once again chose a guy that led the party when in lost in '17, '18, '19, '20, '22, and '23. when mike murphy and i were republicans, republicans hated losing. somebody lost, boom, they were gone. nothing personal. let's move forward and figure out how to whip.

you know, mike, i was with you in denver -- we were -- we were sitting next to each other at the end of barack obama's speech, and you turned to me and you said, houston, we have a problem. i i think republicans may have another problem this year. here is kamala harris walking on to the stage last night to say hi to a ruckus crowd. >> this is going to be a great week. [ applause ] and i want to kick us off by celebrating our incredible president, joe biden. joe, thank you for your historic leadership, for your lifetime of service to our nation, and for all you will continue to do. we are forever grateful to you. >> an extraordinarily energized crowd and extraordinarily energized party from people that you talk to day in and day out.

and on the other side, you have donald trump who is ignoring the pleas of people in his own party, leaders in his own party, people on fox news, to be more positive. yesterday shot from wherever he was, where was that? where was trump yesterday? >> york, pennsylvania. >> looked like a hostage video. very strange. talk about the dynamics of this race right now. >> well, it is -- you know, trump is a one-man band and what you feel here is the energy of a united army that has decided to adopt the chicago way, bringing guns to a knife fight. they're here to win. even last night, traditionally the first night in these conventions is chore night, you're doing the things you have to do, not necessarily the stuff that sells the big message, i thought they executed pretty well. you know, i don't think their political managers are excited

about a lot of hillary clinton, but she gave one of the best hillary clinton speeches i've ever seen. even on the night the stuff we have to get through, i thought for the most part they did really, really well. today will be the big gear shift to the message they really want to focus on, which is future versus past and connecting kamala harris tore middle-class economics to try to push that part of the biden legacy off her, because that's the last advantage donald trump has. being a one-man band he's not really running that campaign. he's running this therapy campaign where he gets in front much a crowd and melts down, not help him. >> mike barnicle a night to celebrate. we saw that from vice president harris r and talk about his decision to step aside, one that is not easy for him. what did you see last night and the first lady talking about her husband ashley biden talking about her father and a party lifting up president biden and ultimately in his own speech what did you see in the man you know so well?

>> you know, willie, we saw last night a lot of people, lot of speakers, some of them absolutely terrific, hillary clinton, mike murphy mentioned that, i agree, steve carr, coach of the golden state warriors was tremendous on leadership, and several other people, speaking, did great jobs. but the biggest star of all last night was joseph r. biden who looked in the camera toward midnight or past midnight and said america, america, i gave you my best. huge applause. and in a way with that statement and with his life in politics more than 50 years in politics, he opened the door to the future. he opened the door to a future of a better politics for all americans, better politics for both political parties. and maybe in the end, after this election, he will be credited with slaying trump's tyranny

twice. once in 2020, and once in 2024 through the vice president of the united states kamala harris. it was a very good night for joe biden. it had to be a tough night for joe biden. there is no bitterness, no recrimination. there was joe being joe, maybe his finest. >> mike mentioned steve kerr. the golden state warriors, legendary head coach, days ago led the u.s. men's basketball team to the gold medal in paris, he spoke about leadership. here's what he said. >> i believe leaders should be able to laugh at themselves, care for and love the people they are leading. i believe leaders must possess knowledge and expertise but with the full awareness that none of us has all the answers. and, in fact, some of the best answers often come from members

of the team. and if you look for those qualities in your friends or your boss or an employee, or your child's teacher or your mayor, and shouldn't you want those same qualities in your president? but listen, the joy, the compassion, the commitment to our country that we saw at the olympics, that is what kamala harris and tim walz have. and it is what our country needs. leadership. real leadership. not the kind that seeks to divide us, but the kind that recognizes and celebrates our common purpose. think about what our team achieved with 12 americans in paris. putting aside rivalries to represent our country. now imagine what we could do with all 330 million of us playing on the same team. it's why i'll be getting out every day to help people get out

and vote on november 5th and elect kamala harris and tim walz as the next president and vice president of the united states. and -- and after the results are tallied that night, we can, in the words of the great steph curry, we can tell donald trump night-night. thank you. >> steve kerr hit the night-night celly, patented but loaned to him by steph curry. he was talking about leadership qualities didn't mention donald trump by name but said i believe leaders should tell the truth, i believe leaders should have dignity and went through the other laundry list of thing he's talking about character and leadership and put the candidates in -- next to each

other and ask who has these, harris or trump. >> he was a great pick. a chicago hero who had done extraordinary things. told the kids if they didn't know what happened in the center, they should google michael jordan's name. and again, such a storied past there, but also the connection, again, going back to patriotism. the connection with the olympics, saying that proudest moment he had in his life, of all the proud moments in his life, hand on heart. he talked about all the other athletes, hand on heart, looking up at the flag, and said, that moment was extraordinary. he brought that story back home and then, of course, one of the most remarkable endings in nba basketball history. talked about that, too, including that extraordinary moment by curry that -- talk

about a moment that cuts through popular culture. just like this story, this convention, this candidate is doing. >> we talked about patriotism earlier and how the dems are owning it. i've talked out against -- not against celebrities but you have to be careful with the hollywood stuff, but coaches, winning coaches, chicago bull guys, popovich comes out, i would love to see a lot of people from the athletic world, if they are on the side of the democrats come out. that cuts across. it's different than a hollywood type. this is america. steve kerr is america. and stands for an america everything that's great about america. a fi that is over achieved, a guy that has been a winner, and i think we'll see a few more people like steve kerr. that sleepy thing was brilliant. i thought he was like the star of the night. obviously, biden was. but i thought he was inspiring. >> one of many. >> it was a great pick. jonathan lemire, more sports figures, maybe rich hill, who is

in triple a right now, about to be pulled up to the boston red sox. he would be a great speaker for tonight. >> i believe this is his fourth time back with the red sox. >> exactly. >> shows you how desperate we are for pitching and other bull pen meltdown last night. >> never besmirch rich hill's name. great pitcher. love him. he said no. he's up in his 40s. he said no to four major league teams this spring because he said i'm going to coach my 12-year-old son. coaches his 12-year-old son. makes himself available now. red sox pick him up. i can't believe -- maybe he speaks at the end of the convention, the last speaker. >> i think there's some good speakers tonight. >> mystery to who is introducing vice president harris on thursday. maybe the slot to rich hill. >> exactly. >> when steve kerr was introduced last night, he came

out to that '90s jordan era bulls theme, the theme music, this place went wild. but on coaches, they're leaning into coach walz, of course, harris' running mate. they like that idea. but tonight belongs to the obamas. it is their hometown. >> it is. >> it is chicago. the former first lady first and then barack obama. the president. this is the moment where they sort of make the turn, as they did earlier, yesterday paying tribute to the past and president biden, and now they lay out the message for the future and they have probably the party's best messenger doing it. >> well, and two of them, right, because, obviously, barack and michelle obama are huge hits with democrats and also with general election audience. you know, i wrote the column that you guys were nice enough to show on the screen. paul begal made an important people. the democrats have people who have won tens of millions of votes in this country.

they have two presidents in our lifetime who were both two-term presidents, both immensely popular, and probably could have won third terms if they had run, bill clinton and barack obama. i think the obamas bring something to kamala harris and the democrats. the republicans simply don't have. which is a hugely popular national figure who can kind of validate her. i don't think it does a ton for her, but reminds the american voter, you know this crowd, we're with her. >> mike murphy, on jonathan's piece about how the democrats have sort of taken a new tack here and did what they had to do, it's business, not personal, to have joe biden step aside. former speaker nancy pelosi was asked during a gaggle of reporters about some of the heat she's gotten for, perhaps, helping to nudge joe biden aside. here's her quote. i just wanted to win this election. so if they're upset, i'm sorry for them. but the country is very happy. that's nancy pelosi. talking about this process that

we've seen over the last month. what is your sense, though, mike about where things go from here? it's been about a month, three weeks, three and a half weeks for kamala harris, of a nearly flawless campaign to this point from democrats' point of view. but there is a long road ahead. what do you see between now and election day for her? >> yeah. i thought nancy last night might have said look, this is the business we've chosen. >> yeah. >> to go with the whole thing. mayor daly is probably smiling because that's right, the stakes are very high with donald trump. we can't fool around and be sentimental. as far as where it goes from here, i think this convention is more important than the usual convention because we're in a national definitive political battle right now to define kamala harris, and if the democrats do it well -- and they've had a good run -- they have the ingredients to win what is still a tight race. so they've got to execute this well, but you're right, september beckons. in some ways there has been --

i'll go with the twister thing off the box office, this huge tornado funnel of relief when joe biden bravely and unselfishly stepped aside, that has lifted kamala harris and propelling her 500 miles an hour 500 feet off the ground. that tornado after this convention will start to dissipate, and in politics we know joe has been through this, you've all seen it, the second look will come. and if they can get donald trump on the right meds, and get him to follow a prompter once in a while, the republicans know how to run a campaign against somebody with a progressive history in san francisco, california. so how she weathers that in september, middle to late september, will be the test of her campaign. so far, it has been flawless, but she has that tornado funnel helping. with that said -- >> let's go back to -- >> campaign skills off '19 everything i've said has been impressive. i see the ingredients of a win

here, but the real battle is going to be who is in control of this race at the beginning of october. >> gene, i go back to -- wait. i'm sorry. jay, let's go back to 2008, and i remember time and again, back when i was a republican and spoke more to republicans, everybody said barack obama. the third most liberal senator in the united states senate. barack obama. reverend right. barack obama. bill airs. barack obama. chicago radical. >> yeah. >> none of it got through. none of it. >> right. >> it was because barack obama had become a pop culture figure. barack obama had become bigger than the republicans who were throwing those political attacks. not one of them landed on him. i just don't think -- you know, i think if republicans tried the

1984 san francisco liberal routine against kamala harris. >> yes. >> it's just going to be steamrolled by this phenomenon right now that is sweeping through the democratic party and a good bit of the country. >> i think they're better off running against the administration and painting obama -- i'm sorry, painting biden and harris as agents of the status quo the voters don't like. i think it's a much more effective message than trying to reach back to the gene kirpatrick days of saying she's an unreconstructed liberal from the west coast. i don't think that's effective in 2024. but look, what obama had going for him also he had an unpopular incumbent president, unpopular war, and he inoculated himself from those attacks that it was liberal. what kamala harris has going for her is a truncated campaign in

which trump can't lay a glove on her, at least hasn't yet r she could get through this thing, but that places a burden on her shoulders to play air-free baseball for the next 80 days and she can't afford to have any slipups and she can't afford to give trump any fodder what sov. >> the clock is an important factor. reminds me of schwartz anythinger in 2003, every day trump can't execute is a fantastic day. remember with early voting, election day is two weeks long. it is coming like a freight train. if they can run the strategy, why you're not seeing a lot of interviews, and keep that momentum going, they will be in an advantageous position. >> mike barnicle, last night joe biden said, farewell to his party at the convention, and i remember peggy noonan, line for

george h.w. bush in 1988, when he was considered, you know, a wimp, when he was considered a loser, when maureen dowd called him everybody's first husband, he was -- i mean just -- he was just ridiculed. couldn't speak well. and there was an extraordinary line in his convention speech, and he said, i don't speak very well. i'm not the most articulate guy in the world. but i hear the quiet people, when they talk. something along those lines. we saw joe biden, who walked slowly, who speaks slowly, who's lost more than a step, who's probably lost more than a step or two even in the past six months, but the joe biden we saw last night history will record not his slow gait, not his stiff arm movements, not him

forgetting a word here or there, what history is going to record is, that at this moment t the u.s. economy is stronger than any other economy in the world. at this moment, america's military might more powerful, relative to the rest of the world at any time since the tend of world war ii. that nato has expanded and is stronger than anyone would have imagined four years ago. that you are -- that our alliances across the pacific, defending against growing china aggression, stronger than ever before. that the dow jones is higher than ever before. stronger than ever before. that america's oil production stronger than ever before. higher than any other country in

the history -- in the history rf oil -- in the history of oil production. i could go down the list and there's so many other things you could say. but long after people on podcasts are making fun of how joe biden walks and talks, history is going toing have a -- is going to have a hell of a record to underline and write about his accomplishments including more bipartisan legislation passed than any president this century. >> yeah. you know, what we saw last night was the president of the united states of america, and many years ago in the mid-1960s, mike murphy will certainly remember this, the republicans managed to steal the issue of law and order. and they held on to it and hammered the democrats with it for three decades.

and now joe biden last night took another step to reclaiming the history of patriotism, toward the idea that this is a great country, that this is a country of extraordinary possibilities and accomplishment. joe biden looked into the camera, 50 years of politics, elections, campaigns and conventions in the rearview mirror for him, looked into the tv camera, looked at america, well past midnight and said, too young to be a united states senator, he was voted in at 29, had to wait until he reached the age of 30, in december of 1972. then he went on and said, too old to be president. that's a handoff filled with hope for the future. that's what joe biden did last night. he is hope for the future of the democratic party and thus america. he reclaimed patriotism last night finally. because he's been doing it all

year and all of his term as president. claiming that america's possibilities are better going forward than they ever have been in the past. that's who he is. he's a united states president. he's an american citizen. and he told america last night that better days are ahead. not a rerun like donald trump is. not a tired act like donald trump is. a fresh act for a fresh future. >> and a good man. mike barnicle, thank you very much. >> that shot of mike barnicle, that's like presidential there. >> he is, exactly. >> political strategist, mike murphy, thank you as well, from being on this morning as well as senior political columnist for politico jonathan martin, thanks. jonathan's latest piece is entitled "how democrats reversed the script on the gop" and it's on line now. and still ahead, on "morning joe" -- >> he is a -- he is a clear and

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behind the big lie was an even bigger lie, it is a lie that this increasingly diverse american electorate does not get to determine the future of the country. the lie and the logic of january 6th is a sickness. it is a kind of cancer that then

metastasized into dozens of voter suppression laws all across our country. and we must be vigilant tonight because these anti-democratic forces are at work right now in georgia and all across our country. yes, i saw him. i saw him holding the bible and endorsing a bible as if it needed his endorsement. he should try reading it. it says, do justice, love kindness and walk humbly with your god. he should try reading it. it says love your neighbor as yourself. it says in as much as you have done it unto the least of these, you have done it also unto me.

i choose the american covenant. out of many, one. i choose january 5th, i choose a nation that provides a path for ordinary people and gives every child a chance. and that's joe biden's america. and he's been fighting for it for more than a half century. president biden, america, is so much better because of you. a true patriot who has always put the people first. thank you, joe. thank you, joe.

i'll tell you something else, not only is that joe biden's america, that's kamala harris' america. >> senator raphael warnock of georgia speaking last night at the dnc. so good. >> the thing is, willie, it's all about like who you follow and who follows you, right. >> stop. >> so if you're herman's her mitt, you don't want to follow the beatles, right? you don't want to do it. if you're chris coons you don't want to follow -- >> i love chris coons -- >> the pastor. chris had to follow, had to follow, minister warnock. >> liss spot in the batting order, senator coons, after senator warnock, reverend war knock, from ebenezer baptist church last night for a few minutes. >> the reverend joins us now from chicago. reverend, preach, baby, preach. >> that's really great. >> wonderful message last night.

>> lovely. >> we've been talking and you touched on this last night, but we've been talking about how strange it is that republicans have turned on america, that donald trump says that we're a lousy nation, a failing nation, a nation much losers, we're a stupid nation, and you actually have the democrats stepping in the gap, holding up usa signs, telling their other stories like you told your own story about the greatness of america and weirdly, enough, that's a story that the republican nominee just doesn't get because he trashes america every day. >> that's absolutely right, joe. it's great to be here with you and mika, great to be with jonathan. listen, i love this country, and here's why we are fighting so hard this cycle. the great thing about america is

we always have a path to make it better, and whatever it is we need to correct, at least we have the instrumentation, we have the tradition, a democratic tradition, and i'm a product of that. born literally a year after dr. king's death. my life is so incredibly different because of the sacrifice of him and so many others, and here i am a kid who grew up in public housing from a very large family, first college graduate in my family. i'm a united states senator. every morning for all the challenges in washington, every now and then i have to pinch myself. i can't believe i get to stand up on behalf of poor children all across america from atlanta to appalachia and that's the message that i tried to bring last night. we have to heal the happened. >> senator, good morning. it's great to see you. for those of our viewers who may not have had a chance to see your speech yet from last night, you spoke about a january 5th america versus a january 6th america.

could you explain what you meant by that? >> well, i was elected to the senate alongside my brother and dear friend jon ossoff. here you have an african american man who grew up in public housing, the pastor of ebenezer baptist church where martin luther king served, alongside a jewish man, the son of an immigrant, elected from a state that was in the old confederacy in one fail swoop on january 5th. there i was celebrating. the next morning i was on this show and talking about what great victory, but it was short lived, the celebration. later that day, we saw the other side of the complicated american story, and this is what i try to be honest about in my work. there are those who would say, january 6th, that's not who we are as a country. there is a way in which that's who we always have been. the good news is that's not all that we are. the complicated american story is what i was trying to talk

about. this january 5th, january 6th, a short 24 hour-hour period, speaking a truth about our country and before us in this very election, we get to choose as every generation of americans, which direction we'll go. >> senator, i want to go back to i know was a meaningful moment for you last night we played it there talking about the bible and you referred to donald trump not only holding it for a photo on after he used law enforcement to clear a park from peaceful protesters, but now trying to sell it and autograph it, and you didn't use the word "weird" which is a word being over used in democratic talking points, but struck me showing how out of step, out of touch he is for the values so many americans have and that should be a big part of this campaign going forward, reinforcing that idea, hey, he's in it for himself, not like us. >> absolutely. and, you know, as a pastor, as a person of faith, i take great offense with the way in which he

is weaponizing the symbols of our great country and also the symbols of the faith towards this kind of hate. we've seen this kind of thing historically. and listen, we're the united states of america. i think there are enough decent people. we will push past this awful chapter of hate and division and trumpism. but i have to say that the christian church is going to have to come to terms with the fact that there is no full accounting for this phenomena of trumpism without reference to the church. and we got to come to terms with that. my faith is not a weapon. it's a bridge. and that's the way dr. king used his faith. that's the way rabbi ibrahim used his faith when he marched alongside dr. king he felt like his legs were praying. i was trying to call us back to that moral tradition and all the

great faith traditions. >> you know, that's -- that's how so many pastors, ministers, reverends, use the faith, as a bridge. and senator, i remember when billy graham decided to go to the soviet union, and he caught so much flack from a lot of people, a lot of conservatives, a lot of his followers, why would you go to the soviet union? and he said, because i need to spread god's message there as well, and billy graham always saw his faith, as you said, as a bridge. not a weapon. and you're right about that reckoning. when does that gyp? >> well, it's work that i think is happening now. even as i talk to some young evangelicals in georgia, folks who grew up in the church, they're becoming deeply disaffected by the ways in

which, you know, the church or certain parts of our churches have allowed themselves to be used in this way. which is why i think it's important, particularly for those much us in the democratic party, to be full-throated in the ways in which our faith informs our values. we've got to be full-throated in resisting this idea of christian nationalism and we've got to embrace i think the kind of faith that calls martin luther king jr. and so many others, stand for the best in our tradition. for me democracy, democracy is the political enactment of a spiritual idea, the notion that each of us has within us, a spark of the divine, that we were created in what the theologians called the image of god. i ought to have a voice in the direction of the country and my destiny within it and i ought to respect the humanity of all of god's people, those of other

faith traditions, those who claim no faith at all, that is this grand american experiment and we get to write the next chapter. >> democratic senator raphael warnock of georgia, thank you very much for being on the show this morning. >> good morning. >> we appreciate it. we'll talk to another high-profile democrat who spoke at the convention last night, kentucky governor andy beshear joins us live from chicago. that's next, on "morning joe." that's next, on "morning joe." rsv can severely affect the lungs and lower airways.

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wade including hadley duval of kentucky, a survivor of sexual abuse, who became pregnant at just 12 years old after being raped by her stepfather. >> there are other survivors out there who have no options. and i want you to know that we see you we hear you. kamala harris will sign a national law to restore the right to an abortion. [ applause ] she will fight for every woman and every girl, even those who are not fighting for her.

>> let's bring in democratic governor of kentucky andy beshear. he spoke last night at the dnc after being introduced by hadley and, governor, hadley rose to national prominence after the message that she created for you and your campaign, and, quite frankly, we are seeing in real-time the results of the overturning of roe with women across america experiencing health problems, life-threatening health problems, due to the fact that abortion is not available in their state or there's confusion about it. how front and center should this be to kamala harris' presidential campaign? >> well, it should be very front and center. let me start by saying, hadley duval is one of the bravest people i've ever met. she is incredible. last night both my daughter and my son were in the crowd to hear her, and i'm just so proud of hadley and the message she

delivers because she makes it so personal to everyone. everyone can see themselves or their families. she helps people open their heart and their minds and to think about this in a different way, where you're no longer just pro this or pro that. this has gotten, in states like mine, just so extreme. i mean in kentucky there are no exceptions for rape, for incest or for nonviable pregnancies. i remember the birth of both of my children and can you imagine, can you imagine having to go through that, knowing that your child isn't going to survive or knowing that you're not going to hear that sound at all at birth? nobody should have to go through that. everyone should have options. i mean this is about just empowering people to make their own decisions. and last night that was front and center. not just hadley. but the other two that were out there and the couple too. what powerful testimonies.

what courage that has to take, not just to fight that fight, but to come on stage and share your truth, to be that vulnerable. i'm just -- they're really special people that are helping to communicate how extreme our laws have gotten to the country. >> and some of the other examples you mentioned are very common. ectopic pregnancy, pregnancies that are nonviable and what's happening to women now is that instead of getting the health care they need through abortion health care, they're being left sterilized and traumatized and these are real stories that are happening across america right now, so americans already, for the most part, agree that abortion should be available, but now they're seeing the ramifications of the overturning of roe which should be pretty inspiring come election day. then on the right, governor, you have -- you have republican

candidates and republicans talking about babies being aborted at nine months. can you even make sense of their argument? half of it is not even true. >> it's just fear tactics. and it's just lying to people. i mean, think about what some people have had to go through because of these laws. i mean, j.d. vance calls pregnancy resulting from rape inconvenient. like inconvenient is traffic. i mean it is -- make him go through this. i mean -- someone being violated, someone being harmed and then telling them that they don't have options after that. that fails any test of decency, of humanity. but here's the thing. it also shows they don't have any empathy at all. a president and vice president has to have empathy. you have to be able to put yourself in a position you've never been in, to try to understand somebody else. you have to be a president and vice president for all of america, not just where you're

from, not just for your friend group, but for all of america. that's why kamala harris and tim walz are the right ticket. they're the right people. i'm really excited to support them, and this is one crucial reason. >> i was in the room last night and when hadley was speaking, you didn't hear a sound except for a few people sobbing listening to her speak. what you have done in kentucky is remarkable, winning as a democrat and now a deep red state, includes appealing to rural voters, which some democrats have had challenges with in recent elections. recent national elections. so as we know they're going to play an important role important role places like pennsylvania, wisconsin, michigan. how should democrats, the top of the ticket, talk to rural voters? >> the first thing to realize is when people wake up in the morning they are not thinking about this election or the polls. they are thinking about their job and whether they make enough to support their families, their next doctor's points, parents, kids, themselves, the roads and bridges they drive every day. they are thinking about the public school they drop their

kids off at and they are thinking about public safety in their communities. we have to have a message that we talk about every day, about how we address the core concerns because if you don't meet those, you don't get to anything else. you are too worried about the core concerns. when you look at the vice president's economic plan, it goes right to that, expanding tax credits for the middle class help you with that job, help you to afford things. the cap on prescription drug costs go to that next doctor's appointment. the bipartisan infrastructure law helps with the roads and bridges. that is living and governing where people wake up in the morning. when you do that you don't move a country to the right or the left, but you move it forward. and we need that message. while j.d. vance and donald trump are calling adults without children psychopaths or sociopaths, i want people to know there is room for everyone on this campaign, in this party, but you don't have to change

parties. just vote for who you think is going to fight for everyone. fight for your neighbors. fight for your friends. fight for people who may have different views. but who you trust to try to do the right thing every single time. >> there is room even for people with cats. kentucky's democratic governor andy beshear, thank you for coming on the show this morning. good to see you. >> thank you. >> all right. up next, michigan governor gretchen whitmer is also in chicago for the democratic national convention and we will speak to her when "morning joe" returns in just two minutes.

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workers who go on strike. and kamala harris stands shoulder to shoulder with workers when they are on strike. and that's the difference between kamala harris and donald trump the scab. >> that is united auto workers president shawn fain last night at the democratic national convention in a trump is a scab t-shirt. joining gretchen whitmer. take me to a month ago when there was consternation in the party post-debate about whether joe biden should be the candidate or step aside. he did that. on the ground in michigan how have things changed in terms of energy, enthusiasm, the way people are thinking about voting because now there is a new candidate in vice president

harris. how different is it? >> i will start with -- i am so great indefinitely for joe biden, everything he dedicated his life to doing in our country and making people's lives better. there are a lot of love for joe biden. here in chicago and certainly michigan, too. we are noticing the enthusiasm, people volunteering, signing up and getting turned away because we have too many volunteers. that's a sea shift. yet, as i tell everyone, as i am talking at breakfast at different caucuses here, this feels good but we have to ride the feeling and dot work the next 77 days. >> you know, success formula for the wave democrats, bill clinton, barack obama, you have been able to do this. the ones that bridge between progressives and centrists and you can chew and walk and chew -- what is it? >> chew gum. >> at the same time. >> what's your key? what's the key to that message? >> i think it's making a seat at the table for everyone.

you heard andy bern here talking about how different people can find something in the platform, in this moment in this party that resonates with them. as i get around michigan i am talking to farmers, to businesses, i'm speaking -- sitting down and speaking with, you know, people from all walks. and that's how we make sure what we are doing benefits everyone. we need businesses to thrive because that's good paying drives like shawn fain was talking about. we have to create an agenda that improves the quality of everyone's life. >> you talked about the work. now we have to get to work. it feels good. we have to do the work. that's the work that needs to be done in your state during these complicated time? >> it's always about voter contact, sharing the message, making sure everyone who is exhausted by politics, and trust me i think that is something that unifies a lot of folks, we are tired and worn out. we got to break through.

people are just trying to get food on the table, get the kids off to camp or ready for school. we have to show up at their doors. it's that person to person voter contact. not writing off a red area but showing up and listening and finding common ground with people. >> because your home state of minnesota has a large population, there have been lot of eyes in terms of the fallout in gaza. last night several thousand people protested near the united center. now that there has been the change the top of the ticket, the vice president tried to have a different tactic than president biden about the issue, how are you seeing that resonate in your state with the voters so upset so long? >> the only universal truth is everyone is in pain, right, whether the arab community, muslim community, palestinian, and they are not all the same, or jewish community or anyone else who is touched and so saddened by the violence playing out every day.

we want the hostages returned. we want peace in the region. permanent peace in the reign. that's what we are fighting towards. in michigan showing up, listening. there is enthusiasm about a harris/walz ticket. i have been asked if i can make meetings happen. i think that's going to be key to moving forward and healing some of the pain ultimately having a president who can secure peace in the region. >> democratic governor of michigan gretchen whitmer, thank you so much for coming on the show this morning. we appreciate it. all right. coming up, we will have more highlights from the democratic national convention. meanwhile, donald trump was on the campaign trail in pennsylvania, but the energy at his event was a little different than what was happening in chicago. we'll show you that contrast ahead on "morning joe." we're back in 90 seconds. k. ♪ they're why we walk.

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. this is going to be a great week. and i want to kick us off by celebrating our incredible president joe biden. joe, thank you for your historic leadership, for your lifetime of service to our nation, and for all you will continue to do. we are forever grateful to you. >> vice president kamala harris making a surprise appearance on

the first night of the democratic national convention. speaking for about two minutes after walking out to thunderous applause from the audience. throughout the evening we saw speakers deliver remarks to a fired up crowd. it included a who's who within the democratic party like hilary clinton, jim clyburn, congressman jamie raskin and governor andy bashir. shawn fain, nba coach steve kerr and several abortion rights activists. good morning and welcome to "morning joe." >> it's quite a night, huh? >> it was. it went too late. >> a little late. >> i think the president just stopped speaking a few minutes ago. not his fault. just ran a little late with the program. >> it was fabulous. they got -- >> i mean, they started the president's speech literally the same time.

they started "saturday night live." >> i'm serious. >> that's true. >> 11:30. >> i got to see those the next morning, you know, hulu or something like that. it was, like, late. but great night. >> it was. >> willful. along with joe, willie and me, it's great to be together. >> yeah. >> unusual. >> it is. >> hottest of the podcast donny deutsch. >> in the house. we have in the house. >> exactly. >> yeah. and analyst and publisher of the newsletter the ink, and in chicago the host of way too early jonathan lemire and the president of the national action network and host of the msnbc "politicsnation" reverend al sharpton. also with us pulitzer prize-winning columnist and associate editor of the "washington post" eugene robinson. good to have you this morning. let's dive in and hear from the president. >> let's do it. >> president joe biden took to

the stage to close out night one of the convention. he spoke for nearly an hour, lifting off the accomplishments of his administration, criticizing former president trump and making the case for vice president kamala harris as the best person to lead the country. >> trump continues to lie about crime in america. like everything else. guess what? on his watch the murder rate went up 30%. the biggest increase in history. meanwhile, we made the largest investment, kamala and i, in public safety ever. now the murder rate is falling faster than any time in history. violent crime has dropped to the lowests level in more than 50 years. and crime will keep coming down when we put a prosecutor in the oval office instead of a convicted felon. kamala and tim will protect your

freedom. they will protect your right to vote, your civil rights. and you know trump will do everything to ban abortion nationwide. oh, he will. you know kamala and tim will do everything they possibly can. that's why you have to elect the senate and house to restore roe v. wade. folks, i have got five months left in my presidency. i've got a lot to do. i intend to get it done. it's been the honor of my lifetime to serve as your president. i love the job, but i love my country more. >> you know, willie, you're right. he hit all the notes. it was late.

there were people staying up. of course, on the west coast, nevada, in arizona. of course, in the central time zone. not quite so late. and the president delivered -- this was a night, obviously, about kamala harris. she came out earlier in the evening. the place just exploded. she somehow -- she's -- she's really stepped into this moment. jfk said so many years ago when you see daylight, you run to it. talking politically, why he ran in 1960. the daylight opened up. and i don't know of anybody who expected her to excel in the way she has. just absolutely exploded on the national stage the way she has. and as positively she has. you see it in the numbers, in the polls. you are seeing it in the number of volunteers.

it's extraordinary. last night was the first night of her convention. what a night. >> one of the reasons people who supported president biden staying in the race didn't want him to drop out they were worried about what would come next, kamala harris. less than a month since joe biden dropped out, july 21 today a august. less than a month since this happen. talk to the people now, i was wrong. i underestimated kamala harris. shame on me. she did a incredible job. the campaign did a great job. we heard about in this polling the enthusiasm in the democratic party. we saw it last night in the hall for president biden, for hillary clinton, for aoc, for all the people who came out for the leaders of the union, the victims of draconian abortion laws. there was living, breathing enthusiasm. the manifestation of everything

we have seen on paper. >> here is the very sophisticated analytics. it felt good. it just felt really good from start to finish. biden, i mean -- >> by the way, donny, i mean, you are joking about it. you can't fake that. >> no. >> people either enjoying themselves, they are happy, or they are not. i will say people always ask, how do you do the show? you know, willie and middle of the week and i, we have been for 17 years, watch the formula. how do you do it?ka and i, we have been for 17 years, watch the formula. how do you do it? we have fun. everybody that comes on, we have good time. and you look at a convention like that, you can't calculate it. you have in two republican candidates, two guys who at least publicly, in their public persona project misery. they are not happy. >> angry. >> they are always looking for retribution.

they are looking for people to blame. they are looking for a reason to be upset. they are looking for a reason, you know, to resent. and you look at the democratic national convention, and i never thought i would see this in my lifetime, as a republican i thought it's just too easy to beat democrats because they are afraid to have a good time. they are afraid to be joyful. they are afraid to wave the flag. i tell you what republicans feared the most last night was the joy, but also the chance of usa, usa, usa. and why did that ring true? because the republican party has sold itself to a man who lies about america every day and says we are a nation in decline, who lies about america every day and says we are a nation of losers, who lies about america day and says that we're just on the verge of collapse. no. not true. it doesn't bear it out,

economically, militarily, culturally, socially, every day. this is a great country. now the democratic party can cheer usa u.s., usa, usa, and it's a hell of a contrast with a presidential candidate on the republican side that talks down about america every day on this -- >> i don't know if you are finding this. you talk to trump voters, that joy, that jubilation, that kind of feel good is going to the voters. when i talk to people who are voting right now for kamala, they are excited. you talk to people voting for trump, they are pissed off. it's trickling down to the populous and working back. you know, i think elections are all run on gut. they are run on feeling, on emotion, and it's certainly, certainly -- so final point on biden, when he talked about i was too young to be a senator, too old to be president and i gave it my best, that's a summation of this man's entire career, 50 years. >> this goes well to your piece

for the rise of the brat pack and a new democratic political style. my daughters gave me tutorial on being brat. i was like, okay. it's a thing. >> it's a thing. obviously, we are talking about the big story here is one candidate replacing another and the triumph of kamala harris taking over this party. but i think there is a deeper story beneath the candidate swap which is a kind of style, a new style that we've actually talked about over the years on this show where things like storytelling, emotion, speaking to the gut, not just being policy minded, but kind of throwing a better party. >> that's a great set of words. >> these things are -- have been neglected in recent years by democrats. there was -- we talked in the end of the last year on this set about there was no movement. there was a kind of claim of an

existential threat to democracy, but no movement and people weren't acting like it. and i think with the ascension of kamala harris and the people she is listening to, which is more important than one individual, there is a new political style in town. we are seeing with this dnc a democratic party that is not just wonky, but knows how to generate joy, knows how to speak to people in the guttural places, knows how to tell that kind of story, and to your last point about that kind of joy that spreads, there is a weird word for this in political kind of junkie circles. persuasion. it's the idea that you don't persuade by watering down your stuff to cater to moderates in diners it in western pennsylvania. you actually per wade by revving up your people. so they can't stop talking about their excitement. and their uncles over here, their excitement. their neighbors over here, their excitement. and sosy think we are seeing a

democratic party that's not so worried about moderate voters and is more worried about making people feel things in create a contagion of joy and enthusiasm. >> reclaiming patriotism. this is not by accident. all of the signs in the arena said usa on them, they were chanting usa. this is a party and governor wes moore talked about this. i am not ceding patriotism to donald trump. you like to say our flags are "big"er than years, actual patriotism doesn't look like staging a coup against the united states government, beating up police officers at the capitol with the american flag. >> it's reclaiming patriotism and reclaiming freedom. both of these things were wrongly conceded to the far right. and -- >> can i say why they were

wronly concede. democrats were afraid. >> absolutely. >> i would be on sets with them in the '90s and early 2000s and they'd say america's great. they couldn't go, yes. it is. they could not do it. it was reflexive. it was weird. like, well, look what we are doing. they couldn't do it after donald trump starting trashing america and say america is great. we still have a long way to go to be a more perfect union, but we are doing that together, and that promise makes america even greater. democrats, i don't know when they figured it out. they figured it out a couple of years ago. they figured it out at the same time republicans started nominating a candidate who literally doesn't get america. who literally stomps on america. who literally says -- >> that was -- >> america is in decline, america's terrible.

what does he -- what was his inaugural speech? i keep forgetting. american carnage. by the way, i still -- i still -- amazing. talked about american carnage when crime rates were at a 50-year low and when illegal border crossings at the southern border were at a 50-year low, he talked about american carnage. that's how wrong he was about america being bad then and now. >> and i think he -- he has his story of america. and what was missing was, as you said, a think a lot of democrats felt it was cringe to be patriotic in that way, there was not always a counter patriotism, a more progressive version of patriotism. i think you are finding it now. it's not a patriotism that erases hard truths about american history, it's not patriotism that needs to lie or distort history. it's a patriotism about perfection and perfecting over

time. >> and the promise and the possibilities that america offers that other countries don't. and that's something that donald trump just i think brought out in the democrats because they realized don't take away our possibilities, promises, our rights. some of the other speakers last night, former secretary of state hillary clinton and congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez. here is some of what they had to say. >> we are not just electing a president. we're uplifting our nation. we are opening the promise of america wide enough for everyone. together we put a lot of cracks in the highest, hardest glass ceiling. and tonight, tonight so close to breaking through once and for all. you know what? on the other side of that glass

ceiling is kamala harris raising her hand and taking the oath of office as our 47th president of the united states. my friends, when a barrier falls for one of us, it falls, it falls and clears the way for all of us. i want -- i want my grandchildren and their grandchildren to know i was here at this moment, that we were here and that we were with kamala harris every step of the way. of this is our time, america. this is when we stand up. this is when we break through. the future is here. it's in our grasp. let's go with it! >> as a prosecutor, kamala locked up murders and drug traffickers.

she will never rest in defense of our freedom and safety. donald trump fell asleep at his own trial. and when he woke up he made his own kind of history. the first person to run for president with 34 felony convictions. as vice president, as vice president, kamala sat in the situation room. >> together we must also elect strong democratic majorities in the house and in the senate so

that we can deliver an ambitious agenda for the people. because if you are a working parent trying to afford rent and childcare, kamala is for you. if you are a senior who had to go back to work because your retirement didn't stretch far enough, kamala is for you. if you're an immigrant family just starting your american story, kamala is for you. i see a leader who understands. i see a leader with a real commitment to a better future for working families. and chicago, we have to help her win. because we know that donald trump would sell this country for a dollar if it meant lining his own pockets and greasing the

palms of his wall street friends. and i for one am tired about hearing about how a two-bit union buster thinks of himself as more of a patriot than the woman who fights every single day to lift working people out from under the boots of agreed trampling on our way of life. >> so gene robinson in chicago, aoc may have gotten the biggest ovation of the night inside that hall last night. lamire, you can speak to that, as well. hillary clinton a big ovation, president biden as well. eugene, the argument that aoc was making last night was that the democrats actually are the party of working people, that she was a bartender who because of the greatness of the country gag back to the idea of reclaiming patriotism, the greatness of the country, ascended to become a prominent united states congresswoman, making that case. there is a lot in there for

hillary clinton standing back during the lock him up chants as the crowd chanted about donald trump. but what were some of your takeaways from last night? >> well, aoc made that point about the democrats being the party of working people and that's a point, the party has been trying to make it all along. she made it in a really effective way. again, appealing to the way people feel, not just the way they think. not just their analysis, but i thought her speech was the real highlight. i thought hillary clinton. i don't know, frankly, i had ever heard hillary clinton that good. she was powerful. she told stories, compellingly. she was fiery. she was -- and she was iconic, which was amazing. senator warnock, boy, i'll tell you, the person i felt sorriest for last night was senator chris

coons because he had to follow raphael warnock who preached, who preached to not just a hall, but a nation in just the most compelling way. and, you know, i think he just -- he made you -- he put it inside of you. he made you feel it from the inside, and those were real highlights for me. >> coming up, we will show you the moment reverend sharpton took the last night with reverend jesse jackson. plus a preview of former president barack obama's primetime address tonight when "morning joe" comes right back. k the season finale is upon us. huzzah! libations? help thy yourself. thou keep this dog food in thy fridge. oh, it's not dog food, it's freshpet.

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a hug to her going forward. saying you are now the person to defeat donald trump. but there are a number of highlights, so many to pick from, including secretary clinton, who made herself a part of the story. she didn't get there, break that hardest, highest, glass ceiling she speaks about so often and so emotionally. she said vice president harris is the one to do it. >> i think it captured a sense of hope that we are a part of a continuing fight to break down barriers and we can break them down. i think that what is important about what we discussed this morning, people that are driven by hope and not despair are the ones that changed society. i mean, the civil rights movement was we shall overcome.

'88, jessee jackson, who we wheeled out last night, keep hope alive. obama, the audacity of hope. we have seen too much among democrats how unfair it is. you have to give people a glimmer of hope. what i saw last night more than i have seen in a long time is hopeful people. people that are joyous and say we can do this because if you feel you can do it, you can do it. and every speaker kind of brought that home last night. hillary clinton was excellent. aoc was excellent. raphael warnock in a league by himself. i think all of it saying we can really do this. we are coming out of this darkness that donald trump has put us in. he wants us to keep recycling that. >> and that message of hope will certainly be center stage tonight when former president barack obama delivers the keynote address in chicago. coming up, a growing number of republicans have a message for donald trump. stop trying to insult your way to the white house. we will show you what they are saying to an audience of one when "morning joe" comes right back.

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we are pure stuff. we have the best and we have the most right under our feet. it's liquid gold and we are going to use it and reduce our deficit. we are going to reduce our debt and we are going to reduce your taxes. if you'd like to go from here to, let's say, washington to look after we fix the capitol up and make it safe again, which will take approximately like quickly, what would happen if we had a war? we won't. with me. but you will have world war iii i believe without me. but we won't have. but what would happen if we did? he said, we're weird. j.d. and i are weird. i think we are extremely normal people. we are like you. exactly like -- ♪♪ ♪ i am proud to be an american where at least i know i am free ♪ ♪ and i won't forget the men who died who gave that life to me ♪ ♪ and i gladly stand up next to you and defend her still

today ♪♪ >> smart to go to the critical state. much more disciplined message needed. i mean, i have been through this twice. you want to go to these places and you want to have a simple message that the media has to cover. instead he gives them a smorgasbord, some written into the speech. apparently some just ad hoc. and they get to pick and choose. and who thinks that the dominant media in the country is going to pick the thing that is best productive for him and getting votes? they are going to pick out something like he just said, casting aspersions on kamala harris or president biden. so, yes, you want to do this. you want to go to critical states. he is going to arizona to talk about immigration. but in order to force the media to cover your message you need to be disciplined, focused and short. >> it's not about forcing the, quote, dominant media. i mean, karl said it himself.

brett human said it himself. gerard baker at "the wall street journal" said it himself. this is not some, you know, you know, anti-trumpers, the mainstream media. no. this is donald trump's own people, donny, are saying this is a disastrous message. it's a disastrous campaign. they even talk about his acceptance speech. the second half of his acceptance speech was a long, rambling diatribe. he had america there with him and completely let it go. that's their words, not the, quote, dominant media. not "the new york times" editorial page. and that thing yesterday, i don't care who was covering it, that was just weird. what did i say? insurrectionists, weirdos and freaks, man. i don't know where that fit on that scale, but that was just

strange. >> those people seemed uncomfortable. >> he looks like -- >> well, one was doing the george h.w. bush checking my watch. exactly. >> contrast of what we sat through, he looks like loser. looks like he is going through the motions. they keep saying pivot to the issues. you don't have crime as an issue nene more. violent crime is down 24%. you don't have the economy. we don't have to tick off of the metrics of the economic, which is going great. illegal border crossings lowest since 2019. they don't have the grand issues to sit behind. you have style and substance on the negative side of the equation b but more than anything, back to that word, feelings, he feels like a -- i almost used a bad f-bomb. >> don't to that. >> feels like a loser. a lose early. feels that way. >> well, the issues, mika, why doesn't talk about illegal border crossings? they are lower than when he left

office. when joe biden was there and he didn't always respond to everything, he could say it. he knows now. he hears kamala harris now talking about how he compares unfavorably on illegal border crossings, how violent crime is lower now than when donald trump left office. right now i just don't know that he has anywhere to go. >> by the way, on the immigration question, kamala harris has a line that president biden never used, which is donald trump killed the legislation to fix the problem. i will sign it. that's her line. >> there you go. obliterates anything they wanted to say. in the category of there he goes again, here is another thing donald trump said yesterday at the manufacturing plant in the city of york, pennsylvania. take a look. >> we don't need lectures on the economy from a candidate pushing communist price controls. kamala has no idea what the hell she is doing. her father is a marxist

professor and i believe he taught her well. you know he is a marxist profess early. does anyone know that? i wonder if they knew that when they did a coup on joe biden. i wonder if they knew where she came from, what her ideology is. kamala is on a regulatory gee haud to shut down power plants across america. >> there you go. there you have it, reverend al. kamala harris in an administration that has watched the economy explode, go stronger than any other economy in the west, make history. this so-called communist has presided over the dow going over 40,000 points. the stock markets are higher than they were when donald trump was president.

oil production higher than it was when donald trump was president. our economy stronger than it was relative to the rest of the world when donald trump was president. and all he does is he throws out insults, attacks her father, says she is not black, says she just figured out that she was block, says that she is not attractive, that he is better looking than she is. this is why the pundits at fox news and "the wall street journal" and other conservative outlets are being as critical of donald trump as they are. he is missing the message. >> he is not only missing the message. he is appearing desperate. he is like a man losing a fight that just is swinging with no strategy, no training. and makes no sense. when you look at the record, what you just outlined in terms of where the economy is under biden and harris, i mean, we are looking at inflation under 3%

and you are talking about a woman who has spent her life prosecuting criminals and fighting for fairness at the same time. you make this a communist and you blame it on her father, who you claimed she was not black, her black father. so the message is so convoluted that it becomes non-sensical. but it shows the desperation of donald trump. he can't figure out how to fight kamala harris because he has lost all the fight in him. he knows he is on his way down and i think that he is just screaming and yelling and kicking while he is on his way out. coming up, why senator john fetterman has no regrets. the pennsylvania democrat is calling out his own party and doesn't seem the least bit worried about it. we will talk about that when "morning joe" comes right back.

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times in these months of anguish, war, and during that time i can say that israel has had no better friend than senator john fetterman. senator, welcome to israel. i want to thank you for your courageous statements that show moral clarity and moral courage, and you just say it the way it is. and we appreciate this friendship at all times, but especially at these times. so welcome, friend. welcome. >> we stand with israel through this, and i am so sorry for what's been done to this nation. but i am just honored to be here today. >> that was democratic senator john fetterman of pennsylvania meeting with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu in jerusalem earlier this summer.

since the october 7th attack by hamas, fetterman has emerged as one of the most pro-israel voices in congress and in the process rankled many of the progressives in his party. joining us now from the democratic national convention in chicago senior editor at the free press, peter recently interviewed the senator for a piece entitled john fetterman has no regrets. >> thank you so much for being here. obviously, some of his staff members do have regrets. one of the most fascinating quotes i seen is his communication director coming out and lecturing the senator on foreign policy and suggests that he has a more simple vow of the world than those younger than him. i'm curious. any reaction, any fallout from that? >> so far it's been weirdly quiet. i was on a plane yesterday

getting here. i haven't heard from anyone. no. i mean, there is a strange quiet. so nothing yet. >> so, i don't agree with him about israel and gaza, carrie adams, fetterman's communications director told me in a phone call. she went on and talked about how people his age, you know, i sense that the international views are a lot less nuanced than my generation. because when he was growing up, it was might makes right, and for my generation who are younger who are the ones protesting this they have a much more nuanced view of that region. adams added, we'll just leave that hanging in the air there for a variety of reasons. but i will ask you about this transformation of john fetterman from a progressive hero when he first ran to more of a centrist

kind of cut from the cloth of past pennsylvania centrist democrats. >> i don't think actually a lot has changed with john fetterman. john fetterman is a quintessential liberal. he is a reminder what the democratic party used to be. with regard the issues, including israel and immigration, he is where labor was until not that long ago. so i think he casts a spotlight kind of unwittingly or unhelpfully for some democrats on this disconnect between where the party is now and where it once was. >> peter, tell me about this strategy from senator fetterman. i trust it's in good faith, but it's notable when he came out and sort of broke with the progressive wing of his party and said, i stand with israel. they suffered a heinous attack on october 7th. they were attacked by a terrorist group. this morning, breaking news, the idf recovered six more bodies of

dead hostages and brought them home inside gaza. so what has this road been like for him since october 7th? within the party. >> yeah, it's been lonely. he is a man who routinely protested and attacked and he is called genocide john and they have protested outside his home, and i think, you know, there is a feeling of being under siege. so, yeah, i think it's, you know, he has gone from, as you a noted, there has been this metamorphosis, but it hasn't had anything to do with him as much as fetterman exposing this disconnect between where he is and where the democratic party is, or at least the progressive base is. >> let's be clear. it's common for staffers sometimes to criticize their boss. what's not common is they put their name to it and go on the record and say, i flat out disagree with this. setting that aside, it highlights, to your point, how

senator fetterman is sort of on an island. where do you see -- what is his future here? what is his political future? how does he see the next two years, next term, how does it play out? >> that's a great question. i don't know how it's going to play out. he is not up for election until 2028. i don't know that he is actually gaming it this out. but there is clearly this fissure opened up between sort of the young people on the left and sort of this older establishment or older i should say more liberal, you know, faction. i don't know if they are bigger or small early. so he is on the latter, and remains to be seen, you know, how that unfolds. >> and lastly, at this moment of party unity here in chicago, it is nowhere -- senator fetterman is not here. why is he not here? >> look, he said what all

politicians say when they want to bail out. wants to be with his family. that may be the case. completely understandable. you know, it's hard to imagine that if he were, you know, being celebrated by the party he would be absent from chicago. >> senior editor at the free press, peter savodnik, thank you very much. we appreciate it. >> it is really strange about the attack against your own member. i will say, donny, that there is this belief that every young person in the democratic party israel and supports gaza and supports hamas and what hamas is doing. it's just not the case. not only is it not the case, you look at polls, poll after poll after poll, and there's not a massive swing of young voters saying that they're for hamas getting their way in gaza or

they hate the israelis. >> there's crazy fringe on each side, but the reality is -- and i've said this before -- that the biden administration has done everything you could possibly do for israel. they just signed $20 billion package. kamala harris, if you look at her voting record in the senate, has always gone with israel. there's this misnomer that the democratic party supports gaza. sometimes people mistake purely empathy where there's a gray area in their support, and there isn't. coming up, one of the speakers from the opening night of democratic national convention, congressman jim clyburn joins the conversation straight ahead on "morning joe." ♪♪

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the convention has its own theme. tonight's was "for the people." that's a big change from a month ago when the theme was "for the

last time, please drop out." democrats paid tribute to biden. when biden took the stage, the cheers were so loud that even biden could hear them. >> biden stood on that stage, gave a powerful speech and proved to the country and to the world that he can stay up past 8:00 p.m. biden saved up all the energy he did not use at that debate and uncorked it tonight, just popped open a cap. we got an unscheduled speaker. ♪♪ ♪♪ [ cheers and applause ] >> surprise, it's kamala. which one month ago became the democrats' campaign slogan.

welcome to the fourth hour of "morning joe." it's 6:00 a.m. on the west coast, 9:00 a.m. in the east. and the democratic national convention kicked off in chicago yesterday with president biden delivering an emotional keynote address. nbc news chief white house correspondent peter alexander has the highlights from day one. >> reporter: overnight, a passing of the torch, president biden delivering a rousing endorsement of his vice president. >> are we ready to elect kamala harris and tim walz as president and vice president of the united states? >> reporter: praising her as she tries to make history as america's first woman president. the president supported by his family becoming emotional after he was introduced by his daughter ashley and receiving raptuous applause from the crowd. the president touched on his

decision to leave the race last month amid pressure from democrats. >> i love the job, but i love my country more. all this talk about how i'm angry at all those people who said i should step down, that's not true. >> reporter: president biden also making a point of praising harris while touting their record together. >> we've had one of the most extraordinary four years of progress ever, period. when i say we, i mean kamala and me. >> reporter: earlier the vice president honored her political partner in a surprise appearance at center stage. >> joe, thank you for your historic leadership. we are forever grateful to you. >> reporter: among the night's other marquee names, former secretary of state hillary clinton, whose own presidential hopes were dashed by donald trump. >> we put a lot of cracks in the highest, hardest glass ceiling. the other side of that glass ceiling is kamala harris. >> reporter: zeroing in on the

former president. >> so it is no surprise, is it, that he is lying about kamala's record, he's mocking her name and her laugh. sounds familiar. [ laughter ] >> reporter: for his part, mr. trump campaigning yesterday was asked whether he'd accept the results of the election. >> if it's going to be a free and fair election, the answer is absolutely i will. >> reporter: president biden in his address also attacking mr. trump. >> you cannot say your love your country only when you win. >> reporter: warning against what he called clear and present threats to democracy. >> democracy has prevailed. democracy has delivered. and now democracy must be preserved! >> reporter: the president reflecting on his legacy,

repeating a song verse he used in his inaugural address. >> let me know in my heart when my days are through. america, america, i gave my best to you. i made a lot of mistakes in my career, but i gave my best to you for 50 years. >> jonathan lemire is still with us from chicago. joining us there is u.s. special correspondent for bbc news katty kay. looking through the headlines of the papers like we usually do, and this went so late last night that nothing on the cover of "the times," nothing about last night's events on the cover of the "wall street journal." we have on the daily news, i'm sure phil donahue wouldn't want to be on with george santos, but that's on the daily news.

and then on the "new york post" a story about people committing savage acts in new york city and getting out on bail. but yeah, they went so late last night, absolutely nothing in the papers. >> in early editions of the papers, the president of the united states went on about 11:30, spoke for an hour, finished at 12:30 a.m. prime time for much of the country, but not here on the east coast. it was an extraordinary night. despite it dragging on a bit through the evening, hillary clinton got rapturous applause, aoc gave a rousing address. president biden never expected to give a speech, but to have a

sitting united states president potentially with another term in front of him having to step aside and speak on a monday night and there it is, a passing of the torch and a full-throated endorsement to kamala harris. >> you're going to see the video of it throughout the day, obviously. it's great images and images of joy that they're trying to project. you look at also of course, the contrast between donald trump and that very strange dour press conference. before we move on any further, i brought up phil donahue. talk about a guy who was just an absolute pioneer as a daytime talk show host. we talk about oprah and everything else. this guy, man, was on the cutting edge for a very, very long time. hard to overstate the influence

phil donahue had on television. >> yeah. he also went at hard, serious issues too that a lot of people weren't willing to talk about. i grew up across the river in new jersey. they brought our class in seventh grade, went to see phil donahue. they had ryan white on, the young man who had aids. to talk about aids in that way in the mid 90s when it was sort of taboo and understood. phil donahue is truly an american great. sad to see him passing. our best to his wife marlow as well. >> no doubt about it. katty kay, tell us your take on the first night of the democratic national convention. >> other than the fact that it was a little late. >> very late, yeah. >> i think it is a shame they

missed the front pages of the east coast papers. great for the west coast. they need to get the message out of who is kamala harris and introduce her and her story to the american people. for me, listening to the speeches last night, the one i was most taken with was hillary clinton. she was better, i think, than i've ever heard her speaking on this subject. they want us to keep going for reproductive rights. they want women to keep going to breaking the glass ceiling. framing this as keeping going with that future-looking message and we're not going to go back, i think having heard hillary clinton speak so many times, she seemed genuinely excited about passing the torch. for joe biden, this is a very bittersweet moment. this is not where he wanted to be on monday night. he wanted to be on thursday night. hillary clinton seemed to be

genuinely delighted to pass the torch to another woman who she thinks has a real shot to win the presidency. >> while the timing of events weren't great for the east coast, you look at the swing states of wisconsin, arizona, nevada, actually, the timing may have been just right for those states. >> no question. those states that are in play now. when president biden was atop the ticket, of course, pennsylvania, wisconsin, michigan was the focus. now the sunbelt has opened up, nevada and arizona out west. there were some hurt feelings. i heard from some biden aides who were upset about the timing that president biden got pushed out of that 10:00 p.m. to 11:00 p.m. prime time window on the east coast. but we should note all the networks stayed with the coverage and stayed with president biden. it was just a question of

whether some on the east coast missed out on the speech. it was a bit of a bump, some democrats say to me. i'm told speakers from the rest of the week are being told to trim down their speeches a little bit, because they don't want that to happen again. especially because there are such big names still to come, the obamas tonight as well as doug emhoff. tomorrow we will have governor walz of minnesota and bill clinton and vice president harris finishes off thursday night. >> another speaker last night was congressman tim clyburn, one of the most influential voices in congress. it was four years ago that the former house majority whip helped president biden win the democratic nomination. last night congressman clyburn praised kamala harris for her leadership and also had some choice words for donald trump. >> donald trump has been bragging about how he overturned

roe. kamala has fiercely advocated for reproductive freedoms, while trump has been looking out for himself and his billionaire buddies. kamala has been fighting to lower costs for all americans. while trump falsely pleads ignorance of project 2025, which in my opinion is jim crow 2.0, kamala has been offering the american people enlightened proposals and visionary leadership. >> and congressman clyburn joins us now from chicago. congressman, thank you for being on this morning. you're part of a very exciting line-up, a very exciting week for the democrats and the democratic ticket. tell us about the state of the

race. is there still a lot of ground to gain when they get back on the campaign trail? >> thank you very much for having me. yes, there is a lot of ground to gain. i've been telling everybody that the energy is there, but like all other energies, it's got to be harnessed. the atomic bomb wasn't worth mutual until the energy was harnessed. we get it harnessed and get it to explode at the right time on the right day, i think we'll be successful. there's no arguing with the energy, but i'm a little bit concerned as to whether or not we'll be as effective as we need to be at getting it harnessed. >> a little oppenheimer reference. congressman clyburn, good to see you. you were with president biden right until the very end until he decided to move on. you famously said i'm riding

with biden. what now makes you believe that vice president kamala harris is up to the job, is ready for the job, and do you see her as a continuation of the biden legacy or as something different? >> well, both. i felt a long, long time ago, especially the night when kamala left washington and went down to nashville to stand with those two young men and the one woman who had been treated so unfairly. the speech she gave that night told me that she had arrived. she followed it up with her response to dobbs. i think the whole country got to see that kamala harris was much, much more than people had been characterizing her as. so i knew then that she was ready for this. i made it very clear that if joe

biden were to change his mind and get out of the race, i would be going all in for kamala harris, because i just felt that the contrast between her and donald trump was something the continue needs to have. i think that is what they're responding to. >> what a contrast in the messaging between the republicans and the democrats. we've been talking about the fact that the republicans, their nominee, they've been attacking america, talking about donald trump saying america is filled with losers, that it's on the decline. and he bragged about that in a speech a couple days ago, saying he was very proud of constantly talking about how bad america was, how it was in decline. there was also a notable difference between the signs and the messaging at the democratic national convention versus the signs and the messaging at the republican national convention. in this photo you can see democrats clearing for america

with sides that read usa. that's in pretty sharp contrast to the signs at the gop convention last month in milwaukee. check this out. day three of donald trump's convention, and his supporters are seen waving signs that read "mass deportation now." katty kay, it is such a contrast. the fact that republicans have nominated a guy who has ceded patriotism and talking about how bad america is, how america is in decline, how america is a stupid country, i could go on and on. a couple of nights ago he bragged about the fact that he loved ending his speeches talking about how america was in decline, that it was a country whose best days had passed it

by. this is the antithesis of ronald reagan's belief that america's greatest days were in the future. this is the antithesis of what the republican party used to be. they've opened this up now, and the democrats have walked through that door waving the flag and chanting usa. >> in 2016, the kind of shocking american carnage schtick of donald trump seemed new and controversial, and it excited people on the right because of those things. the problem for donald trump and the republicans eight years later is that it's no longer new. however much he says these shocking things and how much we see these signs of mass deportation now, which is right from project 2025, the way he's talking about it seems like the same old show. it's not the same old show which is uplifting and fun and forward looking. if you were to think of one thing this week that worries

you, that's keeping you up at night in terms of getting the message of kamala harris out to the american public, what is it that still worries you about this race? >> i worry a little bit about our ability to really break through that wall that's being built by social media. we have to connect with young people. i'm not too sure we're where we need to be with them now because of our challenge with fighting social media. when you see all the foolishness they're putting out and whether or not we will respond to that, democrats are much more elevated in their speech than we seem to be getting from the other side. we always talk about voters and

say we meet them where they are. sometimes you have to meet your opposition where they are. we can't just stay above that. it may be good to say when they go low, we go high. sometimes you got to get down there with them and fight it off. >> on that, donald trump is going low day after day. we're seeing race play a big part of his attack line against the vice president, questioning whether she is even black, suggesting she just changed identities recently for political opportunism. we know donald trump previously had been trying to win over black voters. president biden has been struggling a little bit with that group. polls suggest the vice president is going better. where do you see this landing? >> i think we make a mistake when we deny that race is an issue in this country.

in two years we celebrate 250 years of our existence. of course, we do know in 1876, in the 100th year of the country's finding, we had the most racialized election we ever had that led to jim crow, which stayed with us for almost another 100 years. so that's an issue we have to confront. we shouldn't avoid it. i often reflect on the notion that we repair our faults and that's what makes us great, not that we are more enlightened than any other nation, but because we're always able to repair our faults. that's what the supreme court was doing in 1954. that's what the congress did in 1964 with the civil rights act, and that's what we're attempting do now. covid-19 opened up some fault

lines in this country, and we are about repairing them. i think that's what joe biden did. people are going to look at joe biden much the way we look at martin luther king, jr. when he said in his speech "it does not matter how long you live, but how well you live." i say the same thing about joe biden. he may not have had as long a presidency as he wanted to have, but i don't think you'll have any better of a presidency than he has had. that's what we've got to get out to the american people. i think kamala harris is going to build upon that. she was part of that foundation. i mentioned earlier when she got down to memphis in response to dobbs, people don't remember when we got into a little bit of difficulty with france over that submarine deal, joe biden sent kamala harris to paris. she came back with a great victory. that should tell the american people a lot about who she is, not just on the domestic front,

but the international front as well. >> democratic congressman jim clyburn of south carolina, thank you very much for being on the show this morning. great to have you. coming up, we have a preview of day two from the democratic national convention, which will include speakers michelle and barack obama. meanwhile, vice president kamala harris and governor tim walz will head 92 miles north to milwaukee for a rally at the same location where former president trump accepted the nomination for the republican party last month. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. >> that's all i can say. we're a nation in decline. you know, we were talking about that before. my phrases are copied so much, right? i use the term oftentimes in closing, we are a nation in decline, we are a failed nation. i think it's a beautiful phrase, although i don't like the topic very much. i don't like what it represents,

but there's a certain beauty. all of a sudden all of these candidates, including republicans are saying we are a nation in decline, we are a failing nation. i say, you know, what the hell do they have to copy me for, right? but they have a lot of words that they copy. many of our words were playing before we came in and i think we're going to release a list. let's release it, so many of our phrases they copied. ♪ ain't that america ♪ ♪ home of the free, yeah, little pink houses for you and me ♪ ♪ oh baby, for you and me ♪

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and then there was 2016, when it was the honor of my life

to accept our party's nomination for president. and nearly 66 million americans voted for a future where there are no ceilings on our dreams! and afterwards, we refused to give up on america. millions marched. many ran for office. we kept our eyes on the future. well, my friends, the future is here! i wish my mother and kamala's mother could see us. they would say, keep going! >> former secretary of state hillary clinton last night at the dnc. she was amazing. and tonight, former president

barack obama and former first lady michelle obama will address the convention. while day two is taking place in chicago, the democratic ticket will head north to milwaukee for a rally in the battleground state of wisconsin, in the same venue where donald trump and republicans held their convention just a few weeks ago. wow, seems like so much as changed since that convention. joining us from chicago, we have senior advisor and senior spokesperson for the harris campaign, adrian elrod, plus the cofounder and ceo of all in together and host of "majority rules" on two way lauren leader. >> watching hillary clinton last night, of course, because i'm a guy and we always deal in sports analogies, i can't help but think that hillary clinton went out and she played the game. she played the super bowl

against donald trump in 2016. she took all the hits. she took all of the attacks and the nonsense of the debates and it is all on tape. kamala harris certainly would be the first to tell you she owes so much to hillary clinton for paving the way. it makes kamala harris's run, though difficult, certainly not quite as difficult as hers in 2016. talk about the lasting impact of hillary clinton not only on the party, but also on this race. >> joe, good morning. great to be with you and mika and everyone here in chicago. look, i was obviously here last night. i've been working on the program. i've had the privilege of working for hillary clinton multiple times throughout the 26

years i've been working in politics. obviously i worked for joe biden's 2020 campaign. i worked for him in the administration. i worked for him on the 2024 campaign. now i'm working for vice president harris on her campaign. when you take all those moments together, it was not lost on me that hillary clinton, of course, paved the way as you very eloquently stated, for vice president harris to be where she is today. she really put those cracks in the glass ceiling, something she talks quite a bit about. then president saved democracy, saved america from a second term of donald trump, and he stepped aside. now vice president harris is in the most perfect position she could be in to take this race to the next level over the next eight weeks of this campaign cycle. early voting starts in pennsylvania right after the convention. then we're off to the races in

the final moments of this campaign. ives l moments of this campaign ives just sort of looking at the wholistic picture here of hillary clinton paving the way, joe biden saving democracy, vice president harris being where she is today, it was just a really magical moment. >> there's tons of enthusiasm here. everybody is looking at how we shift from last night, which was good-bye to joe biden, to now fleshing out some narrative of kamala harris, which many americans don't know. how do you expect the messaging to change? what's going to be the shift of focus? are there going to be new lines we're going to hear around kamala harris? >> the essential thing in this campaign is she is fighting for freedom, for our future and for the american people.

she is putting the american people first versus donald trump, who is fighting for himself, who is fighting to keep himself out of jail. he only wants to seek political retribution on his enemies if he gets back in the white house. that is the essential theme of this campaign. i think the brilliance of the team that put together this convention last night, you saw these beautiful moments. these videos that were produced really reintroducing the vice president to the american people, talking about her middle class upbringing, being raised by a single mother in a working class part of california. maya harris, her sister, narrating a video. then you also saw the contrast moments with trump. there were a lot of videos and moments woven in with some of the speeches making it clear what a project 2025 implemented into the united states government would look like for the american people, what losing our reproductive freedoms would look like.

we had that really powerful moment with hadley duvall telling her story directly. there's no moment like showing them on a convention stage in front of millions of americans in that powerful moment. you saw last night there was a real story that was told about the dark vision that donald trump has and the bright vision that vice president harris has. that is what you'll see throughout the rest of the week. >> obviously freedom is a big theme here, as is the phrase "for the people." that's what kamala harris said when she was a prosecutor. she said, "i'm kamala harris for the people." tell me if you think that's effective. it also lends itself to perhaps the easiest comparison of all. she's a prosecutor. he's a convicted felon.

>> they leaned into that last night, not just hillary, but governor hochul delivered a pretty acerbic speech. it was a powerful moment to paint the visual of the contrast on the screen. there was not a dry eye in my section. i was sitting with governor hochul and senator schumer and all the delegates from new york. it was so deeply emotional. there is this service to country that you see in all of last night from hillary clinton, who ultimately i think we'll look on her historically as someone who laid down her political life so the next generation would win. for those of us who fought for

her, it's hard still to accept that in some ways, but extraordinary to see that torch being passed. then president biden put aside his own political ambition to save the country. all these leaders are trying to prove to america that public service is just that. it is meant to be service to the public, not to one's self. we've lost the core essence of what service in democracy means. they're bringing that back, and i think it can be really powerful. >> senior advisor for the harris campaign, adrienne elrod, thank you so much. and cofounder and ceo of all in together, lauren leader, thank you. still ahead, democratic congressman jamie raskin had a message for senator jd vance last night. we'll show you that moment from

the dnc. and we'll have the latest on donald trump from his retired chief of staff, retired general john kelly. staff, retired gene john kelly ♪ they're why we walk. ♪ we walk in the alzheimer's association walk to end alzheimer's because we're getting closer to beating this disease. join us.

jd vance, do you understand why there was sudden job opening for running mate on the gop ticket? they tried to kill your predecessor. >> yeah. that's never good. >> that's a problem. >> that's never good. >> didn't end well for pence. >> i would say, i would argue it ended very well for mike pence in that mike pence has spoken up and spoken out. i'm very, very proud of him for doing it. my gosh, look at january 6th.

i will say, i will say i want the statue. i don't care where it is. i want the statue of dan quayle with his hands on mike pence's shoulders. in an incredible footnote in american history, mike pence called dan quayle. dan puts down the putter, goes, can't do it, mike. can't do it. and mike goes, well, what about -- and dan quayle says, you got no choice, man. you got to do it. i'm serious. it's crazy, but these are moments that actually matter. >> that's an extraordinary phone call to read about online. another thing i'll say about mike pence for all the criticisms we've had over the years, there have been so many republicans who in a moment when they needed to, criticized donald trump, and then said, well, he's got his flaws, but

i'm going to support the nominee. mike spence going to sit this one out. he might write in his mom or somebody else, but he's not voting for donald trump, the guy he served with for four years. >> and the gallows was brought out for him. >> his chief retired general john kelly called out trump's comments where he claimed the presidential medal of honor was much better than the congressional medal of honor. >> i have to say, miriam, i watch sheldon sitting so proud in the white house when we gave miriam the presidential medal of freedom. that's the highest award you can get as a civilian. it's the equivalent of the congressional medal of honor, but civilian version. it's actually much better, because everyone gets the congressional medal of honor.

that's soldiers. they're either in very bad shape because they've been hit so many times by bullets or they're dead. she gets it, and she's a healthy, beautiful woman. >> actually, it's worse every time you hear it. general kelly says the medal of honor is earned, not won, by incredibly brave actions on the battlefield under fire typically by very young men who joined when others did not to defend their country. he added, the two awards can not be compared in any way. this is not the first time kelly has clashed with trump, of course, over the sacrifice of american service members. last year general kelly confirmed reports which originally appeared in "the atlantic" that president trump did not want to visit a cemetery in france for americans who fought and died in world war i, because it was filled, quote, with suckers and losers. donald trump's comments just

another pattern of how he feels and expresses out loud that he just doesn't understand the sacrifice of soldiers. >> he wouldn't. >> the shocking thing is not that donald trump says these things. the shocking thing is that people that once revered service, people that once revered the flag, people that once revered american patriotism, people that once revered all of those qualities are now lining up behind donald trump, someone who routinely mocks it, somebody who, as general kelly said, didn't want to go to a graveyard in france because people who died were suckers and losers. you know, the list goes on and on. i've talked about it again. you know, donald trump says, again, repeatedly that this country is in decline, that this is a failing nation, that this is a stupid nation.

it's the antithesis of what republicans have been talking about since ronald reagan first took the nomination in 1980. >> yeah. it's certainly not the shining city on a hill language, and it's not american leadership around the world. i can't tell you, joe, how much what's happening here is being watched in countries particularly among america's allies, who are worried about what they hear from donald trump. when he talks about the u.s. military in that way, when he talks about u.s. leadership with this implication that u.s. leadership is somehow failing or is redundant or that america can't lead, that it's a country in decline, that worries america's allies. that makes them start thinking, should we be looking somewhere else? should we be looking to china perhaps? we have a former president who thinks we're a country in decline, that message permeates

and could make other countries think, maybe we should throw our lot in with china after all. there are numerous members of trump's administration who won't be endorsing him. i think that's a message as well that voters could take. >> certainly heard from a number of speakers last night warning how trump has bowed down to putin. joe and mika, of course, on the idea of donald trump insulting those who have served and in some cases died for our country, let's recall that he also said didn't want any soldiers who are amputees to be sitting near a podium where he would see them, thinking that would upset viewers. and trying to protect the military record of governor tim walz, who said i served, jd vance served. donald trump didn't serve

because of bone spurs in his foot. later when asked, he couldn't remember which foot that was. next, the myth of ronald reagan has grown into the cult of donald trump. the coauthor of "from ronald to donald" joins us next on "morning joe." >> for those of us without skills, we'll find away to help them get new skills. for those who have abandoned hope, we'll restore hope and welcome them into a great national crusade to make america great again. again.

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in this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem. >> we are going to end the government of corruption, which it has definitely been. and we're going to drain the swamp in washington, d.c. and that's what it is. >> all right, ronald reagan and donald trump, each with one of their signature political calling cards. 35 years apart. the republican party's political journey of the last four plus decades is the subject of the new book entitled "from ronald to donald: how the myth of reagan became the cult of trump." and the book's co-author, ed oswald joins us now. thank you for coming on the show. >> ed, thanks so much. so there seems to be so many different contrasts between the two. if you look at what reagan said about immigration, if you look

at what reagan said about nato, standing up to the russians, if you look at what he said about free trade, you know, you could go down a long list. i'm curious, when did that evolution really take off? >> well, good morning and thank you for having me on your show. i guess the way i would step into that question, joe, is looking really at the subtitle of the book "how the myth of reagan became the cult of trump." and as you know, the myth of reagan is robust and enduring and it really has two dimensions. one dimension is the personal myth, reagan the apostle of small government, reagan the champion of deregulation. but i think more importantly and more corrosive toward democracy or actually the policy myths of which i think there are two. one is you just had a clip that government is the problem.

basically, you know, reagan ran against government. reagan, i think, convinced people to have less faith in government and what government could do. and i think equally corrosive to our democracy is reagan's supply side tax cuts, which, you know the basic premise is cutting taxes for the wealthy will give rise to economic gain, the gain will trickle down, if you will. and the evidence over the last four years that it actually is just the opposite, that the gains have trickled up, not trickled down. and i think those two elements of the -- of reagan's policy myths have eroded faith in government and ultimately given rise to the election of donald trump. >> you know, it is so interesting that deficits, of course, shot up under ronald reagan, talking about small government. but deficits and debt under donald trump shot up at record rates, higher than ever. i'm curious about the

immigration front. we were showing earlier mass deportion now signs held up at donald trump's rally. this is what ronald reagan said when he left the white house in 1989. this was his farewell speech on january 19th, 1989. take a look. >> this i believe is one of the most important sources of america's greatness. we lead the world because unique among nations we draw our people our strength from every country and every corner of the world. and by doing so, we continuously renew and enrich our nation. while other countries cling to the stale past, we breathe life into dreams, we create the future and the world follows us into tomorrow. thanks to each wave of new arrivals to this land of opportunity, we're a nation forever young, forever bursting with energy and new ideas, and always on the cutting edge, always leading the world to the

next frontier. this quality is vital to our future as a nation. if we ever close the door to new americans, our leadership in the world would soon be lost. >> boy, it is still striking, as many times as i've heard that, ed, the difference between the way ronald reagan, a man that donald trump claims to look up to and aspire to be like, and the way donald trump has talked about immigrants from day one of his political campaign back in june of 2015. more broadly, ronald reagan talking about a city shining on a hill and donald trump talking about american carnage, calling america a third world country. it is striking, still, isn't it? >> you know, it is. and we make it really clear in the book, willie, that we don't compare the character of the two men. reagan was no doubt a patriot, reagan was no doubt a cold warrior. and you're right, there are view s on immigration are quite different and that's a great

clip you played of reagan. i think the paradox is though the character of the men is quite distinct, i think an unintended consequence of the reagan myths and the reagan policy myths have given rise to really the election of donald trump in the sense that has been great economic inequality with the united states, and if the premise is that government is the problem, i think it leads to really hopelessness and i think despair and i think desperate people will do desperate things. hence the rise of the demagogue, hence the rise of a person that says i alone can fix it and i think raze really the unintended consequence in many ways of the reagan policies. >> all right, the new book is entitled from ronald to donald, how the myth of reagan became the cult of trump. and it is on sale now. co-author ed oswald, thank you

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