more coverage of the dnc from chicago right now. >> reporter: and right now on a special edition of "andrea mitchell reports" from the democratic national convention in chicago. joe biden downplaying party differences over how he was pressured to step aside for kamala harris. forcefully passing the torch with a powerful pitch for his vice president. >> it's been the honor of my lifetime to serve as your president. i love the job. but i love my country more. i love my country more. >> kamala harris holding a rally tonight, reaching out to swing state voters in nearby milwaukee, wisconsin after thrilling the delegates at the dnc here last night with a shout out to the president. >> joe, thank you for your historic leadership. we are forever grateful to you.

>> and hillary clinton in a star performance hoping her loss in 2016 may have paved the way for america to finally accept a woman as president. >> on the other side of that glass ceiling is kamala harris raising her hand and tacking the oath of office as our 47th president of the united states! >> tonight democrats roll out two of their party's most popular figures, barack and michelle obama. as former president trump continues his counterprogramming with personal attacks against his opponent. >> why insult her intelligence? >> well, i have to do -- well, i don't think she's a very bright person. i don't think she's a very smart person. >> why do you think that? >> i don't consider that an insult. that's just a fact.

>> good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in chicago where day two of the democratic national convention is promising surprise guests throughout tonight's ceremonial roll call. tonight's headliners have the obamas taking the stage here in their own hometown rally for kamala harris. harris and tim walz, meanwhile, will be in nearby milwaukee. it's about aan hour and a half from here. in the same arena where the republicans held their convention last month before she and tim walz returned here to chicago later tonight. harris making a surprise appearance on the convention stage monday as she starts trying to define her own campaign. >> let us fight for the ideals we hold dear, and let us all always remember, when we fight we win. >> the night stretching past midnight, culminating with an emotional and bittersweet

tribute to president biden from his daughter ashley, who called him the original girl dad. biden calling it the highlight of his night, tearing up. the first lady reflecting on their 50-year partnership, calling her husband's accomplishments made in the name of something bigger than himself. as president biden then passed the torch to his vice president. hillary clinton also handed off the baton after staying largely out of the spotlight since losing her own presidential bid to donald trump in 2016. clinton dressed in suffragette white said that harris is now the one to break that ultimate glass ceiling. >> when a barrier falls for one of us, it falls, it falls and clears the way for all of us. i want my grandchildren and their grandchildren to know i was here at this moment, that we were here and that we were with kamala harris every step of the

way. the future is here. it's in our grasp! let's go win it! >> we begin with nbc news white house correspondent mike memoli, "washington post" senior national political correspondent ashley parker. and michael scheer, white house correspondent from the "new york times." so mike, that speech was the kind of speech we haven't heard from hillary clinton. also from joe biden. i mean, joe biden was stronger and more powerful. we hadn't seen him in recent months like that. we haven't seen him that often in recent months. and certainly not up close. and he really brought it. >> well, i think it's so interesting, andrea, when you talk about secretary clinton and president biden, these are two individuals who had conventions that weren't exactly as they would have planned it themselves. in 2016 there was a sizable bernie sanders delegation. we remember how there was heckling. there were boos while she was speaking. and then of course president biden didn't have a convention in 2020 because of covid 19.

we see also how good they are at advocating for others. maybe better even than advocating for themselves. >> isn't that interesting. >> biden of course such a loyal vice president to president obama. but i thought really what was so notable about president biden, he said he has a lot more he still wants to do and he very clearly had a lot he wanted to say. that speech was one that he could have given as the nominee if he was still running, laying out the case for what he did in office and then adapting it to make the point that kamala harris has been a very important part of his administration and then going after donald trump in a way that vice president harris has not yet herself been doing as well. that's an important role he'll continue to play. >> and michael scheer, nancy pelosi, she was watching the president speak last night from the front row. as he insisted there's no hard feelings. let's watch. >> all this talk about how i'm angry at all those people who said i should step down. it's not true. [ crowd chanting "we love joe" ]

>> so michael, square that with your own deep take with all your reporting at "the new york times" we've been fascinated by in terms of the role that nancy pelosi played behind the scenes. >> yeah. pelosi was one of, you know, a handful of probably the most important people operating, some publicly, i mean, she made some moves publicly to try to push him out, but a lot behind the scenes as well, coordinating and talking to others and trying to figure a way to kind of move past the joe biden era before it was too late. >> and reflecting the democratic caucus and their views. >> reflecting the democratic caucus. reflecting frankly the will of the voters who had said for more than a year that they wanted a different choice. you know, there is reporting and ashley's paper, the post has done a lot of it as well, that suggests that he really is frustrated, angry, pick your word, about you know, these

people who had been his allies, he'd known for decades, who at this moment decided that they'd had enough and they -- >> well, they still haven't talked. unless they talked late last night. >> they still hadn't talked. he said as he left chicago well after midnight, you know, he was asked a question about it and he said essentially no, i'm not angry, et cetera. but there's one thing politicians say publicly, it's the sort of decorum you have to do, and there's another thing, there's a difference in what you actually feel. and i think the history books will probably unearth some of this. and you know, there's reasons for him to o'kind of tamp down that talk. >> from my own reporting, michael and ashley and mike, she did not come to that immediately after the debate. it was only a few days later when she started to realize, in fact, she still thought they could hold the house. only five seats. but it was when she realized they were not going to be able to hold the house according to the growing consensus and the

senate and the white house that the institutionalists at her time in life when she felt that her great success was the democratic leadership of the house and the speaker, that's when she began -- she got into gear. we're hearing the rehearsals behind us but i know you can still hear us. >> and we all saw that evolution of the messaging over the course of those two or three weeks after the debate. >> so ashley, hillary clinton, we both covered her in 20 -- 2008. i know i did. i don't know -- >> yeah. >> you did too. and 2016. >> and she was in her best form last night. she had a really deep withdrawal after -- let's just call it that. according to her friends. after 2016. they didn't expect it then. to lose to trump. not only to lose to trump but then to see what he began unwinding in terms of legacy.

so here was her joking, trying to joke about her own experiences with donald trump. >> it is no surprise, is it, that he is lying about kamala's record, he's mocking her name and her laugh. sounds familiar. [ laughter ] but we have him on the run now. >> and she talked not ruefully but, you know, as a matter of history and progress that she did not break the glass ceiling but she feels and other women feel and male analysts that she paved the way, she made it more acceptable for men and women to think of a woman as commander in chief. >> oh, absolutely. and i was on the floor when she came out, and i was struck by so many things. the first is just how much she represents good and bad to so

many people. i turned and there was a young man with tears in his eyes, ebullient as she took the stage. and there was a woman, slightly older, middle-aged woman, as she took the stage who said "no, thank you." and it sort of encapsulated everything she grappled with. but i was also reminded again of just what a professional she is. i mean, you have to think, it's hillary clinton, she is coming out at a convention where she wanted to be. she wanted to break that glass ceiling. i mean, it has to be so bittersweet to appear before this crowd not as the nominee, not as the one poised to do it. she also experienced, i was wondering if it was for the first time, the "lock him up" chants that she was subject to on the reverse side for so many years. and she was just calm and eloquent and unruffled in a way that i think it would be difficult for any other politician, male or female, to maintain. >> you're nodding, mike, that we're also hearing from both clinton people and harris people

that harris reached out to her immediately after joe biden stepped aside to give her that respect and also consulted her before she announced choosing walz. >> it's so interesting because you haven't heard, just like we haven't heard vice president harris making the case as aggressively anti-trump as some of the other democrats have. she is not making this glass ceiling case the way that hillary clinton can now uniquely do for her. she's making a case for her own candidacy. but she also recognized at the same time, she often quotes her mother, you may be the first but you will not be the last, as the vice president also puts it. she does feel that sense of obligation for women. but she's doing it in her own way in a different way than hillary clinton. >> and this of course is chicago. she was raised in suburban chicago. i went there for her 50th birthday celebration, you know, when she -- well, remember, ashley, all of that. one of the other things is there is a pettiness, can we just say, in some of the attacks.

i'm just saying that. j.d. vance went after the walzs, who have been very open about their fertility problems, when walz wrote a piece in "glamour." to be public about that is not easy for anyone. you know, especially someone on this stage. and he went after them, saying that they exaggerated because it was a different type of fertility, not in vitro -- it was intrauterine. when people are talking about fertility, they're just talking about fertility. they're trying to have children. and to say he's exaggerating about their types of fertility treatments strikes me as what is going on with this campaign. >> i will just say it is hard for me -- j.d. vance, who's already struggled with women voters and previous things, it is hard to see how this is in any way a winning argument. as a woman of a certain age with a young family who has friends of that same age, i am deeply versed with ivf versus iui

versus freezing eggs versus banking embryos. and it is devastating and it's heartbreaking and it is stressful and it is sometimes joyful but it is not something that any american wants to be made into a political attack. >> we're going to have to leave it there. it's just so great to have all of you and your great experience. ashley, mike, michael. thank you. and in just 90 seconds we'll be back. kentucky governor andy beshear, fresh off his democratic national convention speech last night. why he thinks reproductive rights need to be front and center this election. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" live at the dnc. stay with us. right here on msnbc. right here on msnbc. next... i smell like death. wanna know my secret for staying fresh —in the afterlife? —please. i use secret whole body deodorant. does it leave a residue? actually, it goes on clear with no embarrassing white marks. you're a life-saver. well, no. it's too late for that... (laughter) ugh, when is my allergy spray going to kick in? -you need astepro. -astepro?

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country because of donald trump's abortion bans. he calls it a beautiful thing. what is so beautiful about a child having to carry her parent's child? >> and joining me now is kentucky governor andy beshear, who praised hadley for her bravery at the convention last night to be so public about her experience. the governor was on the short list as a potential harris vp. so you went through all of that. so why do you think abortion is and should be such a big issue for democrats? >> well, it's a big issue because this is a constitutional right that was ripped away from my mom, my wife, my daughter, and every other woman in america. it removes the right for women to make choices about their own body, about whether to pursue ivf, which is now under attack.

they're even being attacked on choices about whether to have children at all. and then you see someone like hadley duvall, an amazing person. one of the bravest people certainly that i have ever met. and when she shares her story, you understand, you can see the actual real impact that this has on people. and for her to have gone through what she went through, to have had no options if it were today, is just simply wrong. and i think everybody can agree with that. >> and the other two women were from texas and louisiana and had had non-viable pregnancies in some cases and had no options. j.d. vance, i don't know if you know this, is blasting what you said this morning on "morning joe." >> okay. >> i'll prepare you for this. >> saying that when -- well, let me take a look at what he said about you. >> j.d. vance calls pregnancy

resulting from rape inconvenient. inconvenience is traffic. i mean, make him go through this. >> so what he's saying is that you were somehow suggesting -- he said, "what the hell is this?" why is andy beshear -- he tweeted this out. wishing that a member of my family would get raped. a disgusting person. how do you respond to that? is that what you were talking about? >> of course. it's ridiculous. but it's also deflection. j.d. vance knows that he and donald trump are so wrong on this issue. and so he's trying to make himself the victim. listen, hadley duvall was a victim. the women that were on the stage last night. the couple that had to go through a non-viable pregnancy are victims. as a man j.d. vance will never have to face any of this personally. but it's sad that he lacks the empathy to be able to put himself in a different position and to understand why having

exceptions, having reproductive freedom is so important in the first place. obviously, i'd never wish harm on anyone. it just -- again, deflection. trying to make himself and donald trump the victims. >> and also get your reaction to former president trump and lindsey graham for that matter both saying that abortion should not be a major issue this campaign. >> well, tell that again to those women and that couple that were on the stage last night. their pain. what they've had to go through. and you look at the fact that in so many states it is now so incredibly difficult -- and the people of america are responding. i mean, everywhere where this has been on the ballot. we put it on the ballot in my election last year in a state that donald trump won by about 26 points. and i won re-election by five percentage points. it tells you that the american people are fed up at this

extremism. they want a better tomorrow. and we're going to elect kamala harris and tim walz to get that better tomorrow. >> i want to turn to the economy, which is the issue most americans say is most important to them. kamala harris is doing somewhat better in some of the swing states polls than joe biden had and some of the national polls, which are less important as a barometer of what's going to really happen on election day with the electoral college being all that counts. but on the economy as an issue she's inching up only about two points better than joe biden had been, and nine-point lead still for donald trump on the economy. why can't democrats kind of crack that? >> well, we need to make sure that we're out there talking about what both joe biden and kamala harris have done for the economy. joe biden's plan is about a long-term healthy economy. we're reshoring so much of our supply chain so we never go through what we did in the pandemic ever again. we're investing in future industries like electric

vehicles and chips. kamala harris's plan is about the right now. it's about being able to afford your first home, both in expanding supply and the affordability. it's about middle-class tax credits that are going to help so many families out there. it's about capping prescription drug costs, which we all know can be so challenging. but it's about talking about it. it's about showing it. it's about showing up to places that wouldn't have been built without your policies. and i think they're going to do that. >> and you know, finally, you just were talking about the numbers. i mean, you survived re-election in a red state where trump had such a big lead, and you still won by five points. what is your message to other democrats who really need to do that? that's what they need to do in pennsylvania, western pennsylvania as well as a the lo of red states. >> well, my message is we've got to run and govern where people wake up in the morning. they're not thinking about the polls. they're not even really thinking about this election.

they're thinking about their job, whether they make enough to support their family. they're thinking about their next doctor's appointment, the roads and bridges they're going to drive, the public school that their kids go to, and their public safety. those are place, especially with the extremism that donald trump has embraced where we can move the needle. and when we do that, when we improve people's lives, we don't move a state or a country to the right or the left. we just move it forward. and that's what people want, a better life. >> thank you so much. governor andy beshear from the great state of kentucky. >> thanks for having me. >> good to have you here. and they're back. the obamas taking center stage to make the case for kamala harris. next, a former top obama and biden adviser, susan rice, joins me with what we can expect. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" live in chicago at the democratic national convention.

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hometown, it can't be overstated. the return of the obamas on this convention floor is going to be wild. >> it's going to be electric. last night was tremendous. it was a wonderful opportunity to give joe biden his due. he's been an extraordinary president. but tonight i think you'll see the same degree of enthusiasm for barack and michelle obama. you know, they are superstars in the political firmament and beloved in this city and every sing person in this stadium. >> the president went very far to say there's no anger, no resentment. we hear differently from a lot of people. obviously, those of us who cover politics know the backstories here. there was pressure from congressional leaders. everyone was involved. the obamas. president obama was involved. but they are trying to patch it over. and he is certainly trying to be as gracious as possible. no one has ever been forced to

give up -- pressured i should say, not forced because no one could take it away from him. but willingly stepping aside for the good of the party. >> well, i mean, what joe biden did was absolutely extraordinary. patriotic, selfless, courageous. and a testament of his 50 years of service to the country. he's been the best president in many respects since lyndon johnson, gotten more done legislatively. and so he deserves all of the credit that he is getting and will continue to get. and president obama and president biden are long-time friends, close colleagues. i'm sure that will remain the case. and they have enormous respect and admiration for each other, and they've been instrumental in each other's success. >> a lot of the veterans, the political advisers from the obama world are now coming to work for the harris campaign as well. the party is coming together in

a lot of ways. and a lot of those domestic successes legislatively were under your umbrella. significantly, though, the gaza war with all the protesters outside, and it's been more restrained than some might have feared. fencing came down, it was quickly put back up again. but there are 30 uncommitted delegates. i talked to some of them from minnesota, who still want to see a commitment from kamala harris to a cease-fire and are trying to negotiate for something. they're not doing anything to protest or disrupt. they just want to talk. how challenging is that when you've got the leaders in both israel and hamas who've been significantly raising obstacles along the way? >> well, vice president harris and president biden have been very, very clear that they are working as hard as possible to achieve a cease-fire and the return of the hostages.

this war has gone on too long. there's been too much suffering on both sides, as the president said last night. and so -- >> let me in fact play that because the first time he's ever made a point about the protesters -- >> i don't think it's the first time. but in this context. >> in it context. >> yeah. >> so let's play that and show people. >> finally. finally, finally deliver a cease-fire and end this war. [ cheers and applause ] those protesters out in the street, they have a point. a lot of innocent people are being killed on both sides. >> that was an ad-lib. and i was actually on the floor and i was looking back and forth at the teleprompter. that was an ad-lib. and he is trying to bridge the divide. kamala harris, according to all

of our reporting from nsc, state department, other of her colleagues, was more out front internally in terms of pushing to understand what was going on inside gaza to the civilians. >> well, look, we're all deely concerned about the humanitarian suffering. what happened on october 7th was horrific. a terrorist attack that was unprecedented. and yet the suffering that has ensued in gaza is extraordinary. and that's why the president and the vice president are so committed to ending the war, getting a cease-fire, getting the hostages back. they feel it deeply. and it's very important that that be achieved. my friend and colleague tony blinken, secretary of state, is in the region working very hard as he has been for many months towards that end. and hopefully, hopefully we will get there sooner rather than

later. >> nine shuttle missions and returning tonight and hoping that he's bridged the gaps. susan rice, thank you so much, ambassador. >> good to be with you. thank you. >> thank you. and next, republican voters from republican mayor speaking tonight. why he says kamala harris, a democrat, is the only choice for president. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. reports" on msnbc. if you're looking for a medicare supplement insurance plan that's smart now... i'm 65. and really smart later i'm 70-ish. consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan from unitedhealthcare. with this type of plan, you'll know upfront about how much your care costs. which makes planning your financial future easier. so call unitedhealthcare today to learn more about the only plans of their kind with the aarp name. and set yourself and your future self up with an aarp medicare supplement plan from unitedhealthcare.

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right now. this is a pivotal time in our country. and people like me kind of feel like we're politically homeless. you know, we traditionally have been republicans. we've traditionally been in the center of our country politically. but we're getting a lot of disinformation right now. i think it's important that people like me give republicans and people in the center politically permission to do the right thing, which is to support the vice president. >> the arizona republicans censured you for endorsing democrat mark kelly two years ago for the senate. >> right. >> and so what's your response? >> well, that was a very similar situation. you know, as a rule i love being -- >> that was the kari lake -- >> well, that's part of the explanation for why i did that. actually, kari lake was running against governor hobbs. so i endorsed our democratic governor then. again, it's the same

explanation. i love being the mayor of my hometown. i am a registered republican. but it's a non-partisan office. and i work in a bipartisan fashion with progressive democrats and conservative republicans on our city council and we get along great and we do great things because we focus on the issues that are in the middle. and that's the message that i think our -- that we need to embrace, that there's a lot of time wasted on the extremes but if we focus on treating issues like immigration and the border and the economy like problems to be solved there's a lot of great work that can be done. >> a couple of other republicans here. former republican congressman from illinois, of course adam kinzinger, who was such an important part of the impeachment committee. and former georgia lieutenant governor duncan, geoff duncan. so they've come to the same conclusion and have been ostracized by their party. >> right. and frankly, back in arizona we're going to have a great party, all of us that have been

censured. it is a badge of honor for what -- the party of john mccain is gone. and it's hard to figure out what has been left. but it's not a party that has the best interests of the majority of our country at the top of their agenda. >> on the issues it's not the party of gerald ford or ronald reagan either. >> right. >> so it is the donald trump party. that was very clear from the convention. >> no question. >> and what does that really mean for the future of the republican party and republicans? >> well, that's certainly one of the issues on the ballot in this election, is what is the future of the republican party? donald trump promised us that we'd get tired of winning, didn't he? and really our experience has been just the opposite. i know in arizona the maga candidates are doing very well in primaries and then they're failing miserably in general elections. so again, i think the republican party has lost sight of where

the pulse of our country is and where the mainstream of our country. >> there's a "new york times" sienna poll this week showing vice president harris is leading president trump by five percentage points. what more does she need to do to translate that poll into reality in arizona? >> she needs to do more of the same. she has a winning message. certainly the republican party nationally and in arizona is going to try to pin her with some false claims about the border, about what the best way to solve those problems are. clearly the solution to the border was the bipartisan immigration and border bill that donald trump blocked. they're also going to try to blame her for the housing affordability issue that we're experiencing in arizona. so i think the announcements that she's made on the economy in the last week and more of the same will help there. so i'm very optimistic that she'll do well. but arizona is still too close to call.

>> well, thanks for that analysis. we'll have to talk to you during the campaign. it's only an 80-some-day campaign. >> i hope we make it. >> we'll catch up with you. >> thank you. >> thank you very much, mayor giles. and high stakes. next, how the trump-harris showdown is going to affect the legacies of some of the biggest names in politics. as one of basketball's best coaches and a former chicago bulls champion in this very arena gives the vice president an assist. >> in the words of the great steph curry, we can tell donald trump night-night. thank you. za. and with higher stroke risk from afib not caused by a heart valve problem,... ...we're going for a better treatment than warfarin. eliquis. eliquis reduces stroke risk. and has less major bleeding. over 97% of eliquis patients did not experience a stroke. don't stop taking eliquis without talking to your doctor as this may increase your risk of stroke. eliquis can cause serious and in rare cases fatal bleeding.

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kamala locked up murderers and drug traffickers. she will never rest in defense of our freedom and safety. donald trump fell asleep at his own trial, and when he woke up he made his own kind of history. the first person to run for president with 34 felony convictions. [ crowd chanting "lock him up" ] >> chants of "lock him up" as hillary clinton took a jab at donald trump last night. and by the way, she let it go. she didn't push back against it. joining me now, nbc news senior political editor mark murray. staff writer at "the new yorker," susan glasser.

and former biden 2020 campaign senior adviser valencia johnson. susan, you pointed out online that democrats appear to have figured out how to deal with donald trump by poking fun at him, being derisive, sort of de belittling him. >> like a lot of self-involved people he doesn't have the greatest sense of humor and he doesn't like to be laughed at. what's interesting is we're now nine years into the trump show in politics and i'm struck by how it's really this campaign much more so than in 2016 or 2020 that you have the sort of democrats as happy warriors phase. hillary clinton seems just delighted to be poking, jabbing at donald trump. and i should say i thought she was really the kind of crowd favorite last night here. in addition of course to joe biden, the president. got his valedictory night. he was certainly overwhelmingly

cheered by the crowd. but aside from biden i thought hillary was the center of gravity of this crowd and the democratic convention last night. >> one thing that seemed to be missing, mark, was more definition of how kamala harris, who is she, and there was a little bio film and some very poignant reminiscences from a friend and a friend's mother about her own mom. but not the kind of glossy hollywood biopic that we've we've seen since '92 in madison square garden, the man from hope. a lot of people who bill clinton was other than the scandal-ridden primaries. >> this is one of the goals and challenges for harris over these four days. day one of course was about joe biden and passing that torch. so it's probably understandable that you didn't get into a lot of the meat and bones about who harris is sand what she wants to do as president. but there is some polling, andrea, coming from cbs news and yougov that ends up showing that

64% of voters say that they know what kamala harris stands for. that's a pretty good number, two-thirds of voters, but pales in comparison to the 86% who say i know what donald trump stands for. tuesday, wednesday, thursday, will we end up hearing about her, her life stories, who she is, what she stands for and the policies she wants to push that's probably the biggest goal remaining for her. >> i haven't looked at that poll as deeply as you have, but is it a good thing necessarily that 86% know what donald trump stands for because maybe some don't like what he stands for? >> andrea, i think that's a really great follow-up. part of what we're going to end up seeing about harris is the race to define her and who does the better job, is it her campaign and the democratic party or is it republicans that try to do it? right now i actually do think that she's benefitting a little bit that people don't know her, she's seen as a generic democrat, that might be good enough to win but i think the race to define her over the next

three months may be the key. >> and who defines her first, for good or bad. you've been through this before with other candidates and how important is it to fill in the gap, for her to state her policies because as a vice president she's not supposed to have her own policies, that would be disloyal, but now she's the top of the ticket, joe biden has had this gracious and grateful sendoff and it's up to her. >> yeah, you know, as i was watching the speech, again, his speech this morning, i was thinking about the unique position that we are in. usually during a convention the candidate has to talk about what the party has done or talk about what they've already done and their plans for the next four years, but here we have this unique opportunity where joe biden is doing his victory lap, right, which is the biden/harris administration victory lap and that gives her the opportunity along with a lot of the surrogates that will be coming this week to talk about the future, how to build upon all of that, the policy positions.

sure, she rolled out her economic policy last week in north carolina but she's going to be able to hone in on some of the big issues that voters are wanting to hear about, but over the last four years and actually even during the donald trump presidency, voters have defined the issues they care about from democrats. so you will see more of that as she shapes her policy positions this week. >> what about all the pressure that started with the trump people, now it's certainly become a common narrative in the media is when is she going to start giving interviews? when is she going to sit down and answer questions beyond just stopping quickly to the press corps? that's the pool. >> look, one of my roles when i was working with the biden/harris campaign in 2020 was actually helping them decide which interviews that she's going to do. >> oh, you are the one. >> in some spaces, right, and particularly to reach younger audiences, black audiences. she loves actually talking to media. i think where she was handed this about three -- a little

over three weeks ago she said i want to actually talk to voters and earn their vote. i don't think it's a no, it's just let me actually make some time. >> she was a little gun-shy at first, she stumbled with in a lester holt interview on immigration and it took her time to regain her confidence, susan. >> there is no question about that. she has had a particularly sort of up and down story with the media as vice president. now, it's a terrible job, let's be blunt, you know, we have had certainly democratic vice presidents who have tried to make the most of the job, whether al gore or joe biden for that matter who was very involved in policy as obama's vice president, but it's not a good job and it's particularly not a good job for somebody who wants to step into the top job. there is a reason that so few incumbent vice presidents have stepped directly into the presidency, that's very rare in our whole history for exactly the reason that we are talking about. but i'm struck by the fact that you use the term generic democrat.

generic democrat probably beats donald trump. there is not a pro-trump majority in this country so to a certain extent harris has to thread the needle of, you know, not being seen as outright evasive or not helpful, but at the same time she wants to stick pretty close to generic democrat because what the people here want, the reason she's had this reception is because they want to win. that's the biggest applause line here. >> susan glasser, thanks to all of you. and that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports" on day two of the dnc. remember, follow us on social media @m@mitchellreporting or youtube. "chris jansing reports" live here at the dnc starts after a short break. i will be joining chris. see you in a bit. i will be joining chris. see you in a bit

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