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schumer, illinois governor j.b. pritzker, a short lister for vice president, senators tammy duckworth and bernie sanders. the second gentleman, doug emhoff, and the main event, michelle obama and former barack obama. a super star lineup which will take a look at closer. but first consider all they have to live up to already. because night one was nothing short of a barn-burner. case in point. golden state warriors coach steve kerr. >> i'll be getting out every day to help people get out and vote on november 5th and elect kamala harris and tim walz as the next president and vice president of the united states. and -- and after the results are tallied that night, we can, in the words of the great steph

curry, we can tell donald trump, night night. thank you. >> that is a crazy warriors sound. that is one of my favorite moments in convention history ever. and the crowd seemed to like it. coach kerr brought the house down but the democrats didn't stop there. not by a long shot. enter hillary rodham clinton. >> it is no surprise, is it, that he's lying about kamala's record and mocking her name and her laugh. sounds familiar. but we have him on the run now. we have to fight for kamala as she will fight for us. because you know what, it still takes a village to raise a family, heal a country, and win

a campaign. >> it was a speech for the ages for hillary clinton. but for all night one offered no moment felt more emotional or important or maybe unifying and meaningful than president joe biden. he so unselfishly paved the way for this entire week to happen. here is a bit ever his key note address. >> we're facing an inflection point. one of those rare moments in history when the decisions we make now will determine the fate of our nation and the world for decades to come. that is not hyperbole, i mean it literally. we're in the battle for the very soul of america. the war of centuries have brought us to this day. what shall our legacy be? what will our children say? let me know in my heart when my

days are through, america -- america, i gave my best to you. >> in a matter of hours, dnc delegates will hold a ceremonial roll call vote to make kamala harris officially the party nominee. she along with her running mate tim walz have a rally tonight but it is chicago that is the center of the political universe. it is where we start with our favorite reporters and friends all of them in chicago today. correspondent mike memoli is back. plus former u.s. senator and how to win 2024 podcast, claire mccaskill is back and president of the national action network, the reverend al sharpton is with us. and this is joe biden's night

and joe biden's room. i've never felt anything more than i felt the applause. and i know there is some -- it clocks in around four minutes. it felt even longer than that. and he seemed genuinely moved by it. just take me inside the room in those moments. >> yeah, yesterday was about quite a bit of emotion. the energy with which democrats feel now about this campaign coming into this convention wanting to be together to celebrate where they are now. but also wanting to pay tribute to president biden, to honor his service after what had been a difficult week. and i saw on president biden a range of emotions. one was pride in the accomplishments of what he's been able to do and really relishing the opportunity to celebrate that with a room full of excited democrats, the question i was asking ahead of his remarks yesterday, nicolle, was would the emotion of the

room get to him. would the energy and the enthusiasm of the crowd, the love for him move him. it really was his daughter that took his breath away, that brought him to tears. and i thought one of the most significant parts of her remarks was making that linkage of beau biden to kamala harris. it was beau biden who was the way in which president biden first got to know kamala harris. they worked together as attorneys general, him in delaware and her in california on sp some important cross-state cases. and as ashley biden shared, beau told his father, keep an eye on her. and ultimately she was who he took into the white house with him as his running mate. that is the connection that was really celebrated last night as president biden talked about the work that they did together. but then turned to the importance of this election, to say what is at risk if donald trump were to return to the white house and you saw a blue print for how this president

will continue to campaign for the democratic ticket in the fall making it clear that he thinks all democrats, all independents and republicans have to do their part to make sure donald trump is kept out of the white house. >> claire, it struck me last night watching this, that this wouldn't have worked any other way. it would not have worked if he had not passed the torch to someone who loves him as openly and as faithfully as kamala harris does. it wouldn't have worked. you wouldn't have seen ashley biden give that speech or have that moment mike just spoke about or jill biden give that speech. but it reminds me that politics and what we're watching which i have been on the other side, the campaign that would go on to lose running against a man, a fantastic candidate as well as a political movement, and that was the 2008 obama candidacy. but the movement only happens

because of all of the these stars lining up. but of course it only happens because of joe biden's decision to pass the torch. but it only creates this movement and this political phenomenon because he passed it to someone who always had his back. who was never among those who thought that he should step off the ticket. he decides to endorse her, some 25 minutes after he announced his decision to get off the ticket. and those two people are what sort of cast this lightning, political lightning down here on earth which is this thing that felt like it is been caught in a bottle there in chicago. is that -- is that what you feel there? that is what it looks like from here. >> yeah, absolutely. and one of the things that went on in those just really rough days after july 21st, it really was going on -- people were

underestimated kamala. but if you step back, they were disrespecting joe biden by saying it needed to be an open convention and people needed to compete for it. it was underestimating her. but then also saying well we don't have confidence joe biden picked the right vice president. and so when he said, definitively it is kamala harris, then that was really a moment where there is no way the party was going to disrespect his choice given what he had done, to sacrifice himself for the good of the country and for our party's values. so it really was a perfect way to galvanize this movement and i do think it will become a movement, if it is not obvious already. i think this is not just echoes of 2008, it is becoming' drum beat of 2008 and i think we're going to see that continue to grow. >> rev, this shot that i have on

the screen right now, i don't foe it you could see it, when vice president kamala harris and doug emhoff embrace president joe biden and dr. jill biden. and what i understand from reporters on the ground, she said you made me cry and they tell each other they love each other. the idea that the campaign is joyful is true, but it is also true that underneath a joyful and upbeat de moaner is just genuine love and admiration and affection for one another for the agenda that she's running on, the biden-harris agenda and for everything that claire is talking about. this political powerhouse in kamala harris who had a been underestimated every step of the way. >> no doubt about it. i was very moved by it but not surprised. because every time i visited the white house and had meetings with the president, usually the

vice president was there. you would sense a real sense of closeness and affection between the two of them. and i think that it was demonstrated on the stage last night but any of us that have been in countless meetings with them over issues, we always saw it. and i think it was that kind of bonding that they had, that synergy that they created which made him clearly able to be at peace with stepping aside and endorsing her. i think if it had been someone he did not trust as much, not only would his own personal relationship, but with the handling of the country and that was lockstep with the things he represented, it would have been a more difficult if at all possible decision. but he knows that they are in lockstep with each other in terms of policies and in terms of how they feel about this country. and i think that made it easier

for him to make one of the most difficult decisions we've seen in the united states a president make. >> let me show you mike memory, some of what the vice president had to say last night about unity. >> looking out at everyone tonight, i see the beauty of our great nation, people from every corner of our country and every walk of life are here united by our shared vision for the future of our country and this november we will come together and declare with one voice as one people, we are moving forward. with optimism, hope and faith, so guided by our love of country, knowing we all have so

much more in common than what separates us. let us fight for the ideals we hold dear and let us always remember, when we fight, we win. god bless you, god bless the united states of america. good night, everyone. >> did the message matter, if that convention succeeds in doing the two things she did there, grabbing the mantle of love of country and patriotism and that of fighting and being a fighter, it will buy it by every objective measure of a convention's success be one. >> well, as democrats were organizing this convention, with the different nominee in mind, initially, but now with kamala harris leading the ticket, they've been very mindful of the obligation that democrats have an extra challenge every four years. first they have to unify their own party, democrats are a party of multiple different coalitions that don't always agree with one

another and one of the imperatives of the convention is showing they are agreeing on much more than they disagree and we'll see that with bernie sanders last night as we saw alexandria ocasio-cortez doing last night. but one thing that continues to mystify the harris campaign leadership is the way in which donald trump and j.d. vance are only playing to not even their own what used to be the full republican coalition. but a very narrow part of that coalition. we see it again today as j.d. vance is trying to criticize tim walz for speaking about his family's journey with fertility. it is an argument that they see as making no effort to expand beyond their coalition. and they see that as an immense opportunity to do everything they can to expand the coalition beyond their party to try to bring everyone into what would be a historic victory for kamala

harris and to celebrate this as an achievement for the entire country, not just for the party. and that is why we're going to see over the course of the rest of the week, especially tomorrow more republicans brought on to this stage to those open to hearing from different party at this point in the race. >> i would not want to compete with common who is rehearsing behind you. >> yesterday it was james taylor, a different competition. but a hard one nonetheless. >> so glad we get to hear some of this. there it is. i think we talked over the good stuff. claire mccaskill, let me play for you some of what mike memoli is getting at. it is both a messaging offensive, right, to land on your themes and patriotism and kamala harris is going to fight for you is obviously two of the objectives, but it also is

playing out in such perfectly produced sort of push content. this is the ad that they unveiled last night, of course, to beyonce's "freedom". >> that is our choice. a prosecutor, or a felon. >> are you ready to make your voices heard? ♪♪ ♪ freedom, freedom, where are you ♪ ♪♪ >> do we believe in the promise of america? and are we ready to fight for it? ♪♪ ♪♪ >> and when we fight, we win!

>> we have some 77 days yet, so we don't know that this will work. but in terms of settling in on a message behind what there is a record and a whole lot of momentum and roaring crowds, this grabbing the mantel of patriotism and the meaning of america and being willing to fight for it is clearly, clearly a story kamala harris is very comfortable telling. >> yeah, look at the split screen, nicolle, between the republican convention and this one so far. the republican convection was a testosterone laden grievance machine and coming out to the song "men rule the world" and hulk hogan ripping off his shirt and you know. it was just ridiculous. it is like women don't have the right to vote. and then you look last night,

starting with in a nod to the reverend getting this to happen because i know he was instrumental in it, the tribute to jesse jackson. followed by the really moving testimonies of women who had faced health crises because of roe being over turned and trump's abortion ban. to aoc, to sean fain, who raised the rafters for unions in this country. and then obviously to hillary clinton. who was magnificent last night. that shows a party that wants to reach to every corner of this country. trump's party doesn't want to do that. i don't know exactly who they're going for. they certainly are not paying attention to women's vote. i don't think they're doing the very good job with the union vote when he's advocating firing people who are threatening to strike with elon musk, i certainly think he's struggling

with his effort at talking about black jobs, which with people of color and their vote. so i do think they figured this out and the message is very strong. and by the way, i have to give a nod to the tan suit. the tan suit. >> it was beautiful, yeah. >> the tan suit. and i don't think -- maybe all of our listens don't know this. but the pant suit is a nod to barack obama. because he got all kinds of heat for wearing a tan suit in august of his presidency. and the fact that she wore a tan suit last night, believe me that was no accident. and it was brilliant. >> rev, it was a moment that i think -- i agree with claire, that it was a nod to obama. but i also saw it as sort of a nod to everyone whose shoulders she views as standing next to and on and i know that tribute

that -- let me put the video back up. i know you've been on tv talking about it all day. but let me make you do it one more time. tell me about this moment, rev. this is jesse jackson. >> well it was a great moment. and it was special to me. you know, when i was a boy preacher, my mother brought me to jesse jacks and reverend williams jones and i was the youth director in new york. and to see him in his adopted home town, getting what he, in my opinion deserved, a standing ovation from the democratic convention, a convention that he ran in '84 and '88 and expanded and changed the rules. the rules committee that made it possible for us to go from winner take all to proportional are representation was injured by jessie jackson and the '88 campaign. some of the people on the rules committee now that fought against an open convention were

there because of jessie jackson. so he made concrete change and usually concrete change makers don't get their due. for him to get it last night meant a lot for -- and for me to walk out there with his two sons, congressman jonathan jackson and yusef which was a special moment to me and it brought tears to my eyes because if anyone tried to make us in cynical times to believe in america was the man who said keep hope alive, jesse lewis jackson. >> you're just a part of everything. every story we cover, there is a big leading role that you have played, rev. mike, thank you. you get the multi-tasking award two days in a row. yesterday it was your shouting question at the president, today it was giving your live report over common's rehearsal. thank you for starting us off again, claire and the rev stick around. when we come back, we'll have much more on president

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and a white america, and latino america, and asian america, there is the united states of america. change happens because the american people demand it. because they rise up. and insist on new ideas. and new leadership. a new politics for a new time. america, this is one ever those -- one of those moments. >> i wouldn't pretend this is quick or easy. i never have. you didn't elect me to tell me what you wanted to hear, you elected me to tell you the truth. >> what we heard was a deeply pessimistic vision of a country where we turn against each other, and turn away from the rest of the world. and that is not the america i know. the america i know is full of courage and optimism and ingenuity. the america i know is decent and generous. >> this president and those in power, those who benefit from

keeping things the way they are, they are counting on your cynicism. they know they can't win you over with their policies. do not let them take away your power. do not let them take away your democracy. >> anticipation is also building, for what is expected to be yet another moment from that president. former president barack obama. and michelle obama is also speaking tonight. they both take center stage tonight in front of their home town crowd of chicago, illinois. it will also be a full circle moment for the vice president, getting a huge show of support from the man she spent time knocking on doors for back in iowa in 2008. a few years ago she shared this photo of her from just before the iowa caucus this year. now, the former president will return the favor asking americans to help elect vice

president harris and help her make her own history. joining our conversation, former obama senior adviser, co-host of the pod save america, dan cyber joins us. and claire and the rev are still here. dan, i went back and watched that 2020 convention speech, which i think shook me when i heard it. because he did not flinch or shy away from -- through the horrors of that political moment, of the -- of what the trump years had wrought, this is a different moment, but the same risk. and i wonder what -- i don't even know how you guys field questions about what should we expect. because all of the speeches are so -- you sort of stack them on top of each other and then they encapsulate the moment in which we were all operating. but tell me what you think went into the president's crafting ever his speech tonight? >> well, i think he has a couple

of tasks. he does have to remind people as did he in 2020 of the dangers of donald trump and what that means for real people and in the past instead of sort of fear-mongering about him, he cuts trump down to size with humor. because we don't want him to pretend to be a strong man. iza clown and a failure and his real main task is that kamala harris has been his friend for 20 years. they met when he was running for senate in 2004 at a fundraiser, as senator mccaskill knows, there weren't a lot that endorsed him in the beginning. she was there and did anything the campaign asked. she knocked doors in sub-zero temperatures in iowa and so he worked with her and knows her and do an essential task of this convention which is to introduce kamala harris and her story and her vision and her values to the american people. >> what do you think and what do you say privately when you hear

people compare this political moment to any of the moments of the obama era? >> i mean, obviously a lot has happened since 2008. watching those convention speecher is a way of seeing how america has changed from his message in 2004 to what you shows from 2020. i'm here back in chicago, like watching this -- i feel like i'm watching my life through those speeches. but i think it is not the same. but there are elements that feel similar, right. like a barack obama, kamala harris trying to build a movement not about her but about the people. like president obama, she understands and is running with a fearlessness that obama brought to his campaigns. willing to take risk and take things on. being courageous and not caution. and the most important thing is when you're building a political movement and something that obama did and kamala harris and tim walz is, you want your

movement to be fun and joyous, a party that people want to come to and show up at your rallies and i see that every day in her campaign. so it is a different moment. but if you were there for the obama years in 2008, you see things that are very similar and make me feel very good about the kind of campaign she's running. >> i was on the the mccain '08 campaign and i live new york and i would come home for a weekend and all of my kids have hope and change onesies and we're so screwed. this has that feeling. where there is a gravitational pull to kamala harris and tim wall street's message. the other side of that is sort of the more boring and mundane work and we're going to talk to dan cannon again, but the ground game. what is your assessment of the state of the race in the battleground states. >> i think it is close. in a short period of time, kamala harris has reopened the

map. now she's comparatived in all six, or north carolina is competitive. but she has work to do. if the election were held today, i don't know who would win but she has the momentum. but what is important about the people on the harris campaign is you could build all of thefield operations in the world and that operation could capture that enthusiasm as obama did and turn it into a strong go-tv campaign. and this is a very, very close race. >> it is such a good point. you can't build a ground game with unpaid volunteers and momentum without then enthusiasm. but then enthusiasm without that brilliant ground game doesn't get you in the margin in the

states. it feels like everyone in the room has this shared experience and some of the emotion that i felt in the nearly four minute standing ovation for president obama was everything that we've been through as a country. if you're on the pro-democracy side, you felt all of that, too. i wonder what you make of their ability to sort of project that energy in the room out into living rooms and how they sustain that through the week? >> well, i think they're doing a great job so far. there is a strategic task to introduce her to the country and raise the stakes in the election and remind people about trump and project 2025 and all of that. but there is so much enthusiasm and so much joy and excitement and you feel it sort of building. like i notice that the second i landed in chicago on sunday night, and they're doing a great job of doing it and there was the great speeches from secretary clinton and president biden last night. president biden had officially passed the torch to kamala harris and we have the obamas

tonight and tim walz tomorrow night. we have an array of some of the rising stars in our party speaking throughout the night. and i will say, just sitting here, i feel better about the state of the democratic party than at any point in recent memory because we had this huge bench, we're unify and it doesn't mean the election is easy that we're going to automatically win or it is a landslide, but the party feels ready for the moment. and i think kamala harris gets credit for it, since the moment that trump came down that escalator, all of our politics is talking about trump. her politicals are not about trump. they're about her and hope and future. it is about doing something as opposed to stopping trump from doing something bad. so continuing to build on that this week is great. i feel like there is a real chance they're going to come out of here with a ton of momentum and great campaigning going forward. but we're one day in but very successful so far i think. >> claire, it is such a smart

point. something we've talked about. something i heard from trump's own nephew that the worst nine days of trump's life were probably the nine days when kamala harris became the presumptive nominee of her party and he didn't make the news. right. there wasn't enough -- we have two hours and i don't think covered trump for seven or eight of those days. talk about just the simplicity of depriving him of his own political oxygen, which is negative attention, or positive attention, he'll take any kind. >> yeah, and it is going to work to her benefit. she's shrinking before our eyes. he's getting smaller and smaller. and as he gets smaller in terms of his earned media, he will panic and try to do things to get that attention back. and the only way donald trump knows how to get out attention is to be outrageous. and the more outrageous he is, whether it is saying maybe the

biggest lie he's ever told, that joe biden hates kamala harris or pretending that taylor swift has endorsed him, i mean, this is crazy stuff. and the republicans are say all saying, you have to have some discipline. have they met him. this guy wouldn't know discipline if it knocked him upside the head. he has no discipline. he has panic about getting attention. so, what happens when kamala harris got the nomination and she became the change candidate. and one thing that donald trump figured out is that people in america want change because there is a lot of pent up grievance about whether or not they're doing better than their parents did or whether or not they could afford to retire. and all of the things that he's tapped into in a negative, ugly way. and she's saying we're not going back and we're going forward and there is opportunity and we don't have to be ugly and by the way, women are okay. >> every time someone said that she has succeeded in shrinking

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. enough of you know me by now you know i tell you what i'm feeling and i hate politics, but you also know that i care about this nation. you know how much i care about all of our children. so if you take one thing from my words tonight, it is this -- if you think things could not possibly get worse, trust me, they can and they will if we don't make a change in this election. >> it is worth reminding yourself of that entire speech again, go back and watch the whole thing. it is incredible. joining our merry group, washington bureau chief april ryan and dan and the rev are still here. april, my team dug up this statistic which i thought was amazing. among the 100 most viral stories about dnc topics, this is -- in

2020, there were 7.5 million social media interactions on stories about michelle obama's speech. the resonance she has, the way people feel about what she says isn't even a political conversation, it is -- she's almost bigger than that. she's a cultural icon. and i wonder what you make of the sort of power, one-two punch if you will of michelle obama and president obama speaking tonight on the behalf of kamala harris. >> well, first of all, michelle is authentic. when you talk about reaching someone, someone chicago, born-and-bred, south side. you can't get more authentic than that. and when she speaks, she speaks to the heart. so let's go there. and people believe her and feel

her. but when you have two people, al sharpton who i'm setting next to and some of the greatest orders of our time, people are going to listen. this moment is even larger than when barack obama became president. i remember the night that he was elected. and i happen to be at the white house, nicolle. and i'll never forget, all of the kids who ran to the white house. and just the spontaneous crowd, because they saw change. they saw people who are authentic and look like them and michelle obama is that person. she said, when they go low, we go high. she raised her kids, she's looked like an every day woman instead of being this iconic woman that you could see invoke. she stays the same. she cares about people and that is why people listen to her and then with her husband, i mean, i joke about this. but there is jesus, hbcu and then barack obama, there-s may

change. it may change a little bit. kamala harris becomes president. but you know, these are two people, people want to hear from. especially, nicolle, right now, as we've heard so much about this tension, those conversations about how to save the democracy that ultimately led to president biden saying i'm going to step aside for the sake of democracy to make sure we could reap the republic. >> april, that gets us back to the threat of trump and i went back and watched president brohm's speech from 2020 and i remember being shaken when i heard it. i was -- i think i was here. it was covid and they didn't have any crowds. but we were all here together socially distanced. and i remember thinking, oh, my god, i mean, he is begging us to help save america. to help save the country. from the second trump term. her speech was less explicit,

but almost got you with the same warning at a gut level. you think it can't get possibly get worse. trust me, they can. >> yes. >> there is no one who more bluntly, other than president biden himself, who would go on to prevail, but in that 20 convention there was no one whose warning was more dire than the warnings from president obama and michelle obama. >> yes, because nicolle, they felt it. there was so many days that they were just thankful, you know, to make the day. and that is something that people don't talk about. because of the unique nature of this president, and the first lady, they had threats and there were concerns and some of those threats came out of the conversations, the very negative, the very racial, the very divisive conversations about this couple that was leading not only this nation, but the world. and so, they understood

firsthand, making sure they're children were safe when they went to school and were trying to live a normal life. making sure they were safe. we have people jumping over the fence and running around, you know, just because that place is a magnet. but add on top of that, race and politics, something new, in a space that had not seen that before. so, they understood from a whole different point, i understand as someone who has covered it from another point. whenever this man has your name in his mouth, it is not only dangerous, it is deadly. because the minions that follow him carry out something -- these, what do you call those, code words or those dog whistles and it is very dangerous. but when she said those things, i believe her and so does the rest of this country. >> dan and rev, the father of birtherism is the republican party's first choice, not once, not twice, but three times.

-- what is your assessment of the republican party? >> it is as dangerous as it has been in any time. right. this is -- i was at the 2016 republican convention doing some media stuff and that felt like being at a wedding where no one thought the couple would make it. there wasn't a lot of enthusiasm. but watching and i was in milwaukee walking around outside of the convention, just last month and there is -- everyone is on board now. everyone is there. they're loyalty to trump and the loyalty to maga and the takeover of the republican party is complete. and that is incredibly dangerous. because there is no break. there is no one who is trying within party structure to actually stop trump from his worst impulses. and that is incredibly scary. and it is -- it started with birtherism and continues through

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dollar if it meant lining his own pockets and greasing the palms of his wall street friends. and, for one, am tired about -- of hearing about how a two-bit union buster thinks of himself as more of a patriot than the woman who fights every single day to bring working people out from under the boots trampling on our way of life. >> we're back with april and the rev. i said at the beginning of the hour, that democrats are grabbing that mantle of patriotism and i think it is grab and it is in the column. the messaging of all of these speeches, really does have a through line of if you love this country, then you must fight for the woman who is going to fight for you. and to the degree that a lot of people have nodded towards the

ideological diversity and as well as all other kinds of diversity, everyone is essentially singing from the same song sheet. >> everyone is singing from the song sheet because we're all seeing the same situation. when you see last 18 months, woman's right to choose taken away, voter rights neutralized by the supreme court, affirmative action killed, people being labelled because their latino as being illegal no matter whether they were born here or not, all of us kind of say, wait a minute, this is not what america has become. what donald trump has represented is the donald trump of the 1950s, aunt bea and whatever those sit coms we're, andy griffith day. that is not america any more.

he missed the last 50 years. so you're seeing that america, what it has become, more inclusive, more diverse, yes, we still have struggles and it was pain to get here, but we're getting there. and that is what is being defined here. all of us, even with our particular tribal differences still don't want to go back to where we were and that hooz unified people. sometimes you unify because he embrace each other or back into each other but we all know we need each other. >> this idea that we need each other, april, i keep think being how trump has changed everything. and i know rick wilson from the lincoln project said everything he touches he turns to something i'm not supposed to say on tv. but he changed the media by calling us enemies of the people.

before he even gotten out of the gate. he set up an adversarial relationship with the media by singling out journalists and calling them hideous, he called me a dog, he calls out reporters with investigating scoops about him and his campaign in harsh and brutal terms. most people i know in the public arena have been swatted, which means an assassination attempt gets called in and they show up where their children live with an aggressive law enforcement response. happened to jocelyn benson twice this month. i wonder what you make of the sort of the well of emotions, at seeing the fight brought to him in the way that it hasn't been brought to him before, the mockery that dan pheifer was talking about wasn't the tactic of choice for secretary clinton or barack obama, what do you make of kamala harris and tim walz so far in, to quote claire

mccaskill, shrinking trump down to size. >> shrinking trump. that is interesting. a man that who uses his name as the biggest brand that you've ever seen before. but i can't help but think about the answers to this question, going to what al said about sit coms, this is an archie bunker moment. remember when sammy davis kissed him on the cheek and his eyes blared. this is a shock and awe moment, he believed that he had had back after the debate where president biden did not do so well. actually, it was one of the worst, if not the worst, debate reactions that -- or responses or what have you that we've ever seen for an american president who was trying to debate. but at the end of the day, donald trump is in shock and awe because this black woman, this southeast asian woman is upsetting the apple cart that

you thought that he owned and branded. >> perfectly put. it is so nice to talk to you, april ryan and rev. it is always nice to talk to you. thank you both so much for spending time with us today. it is a little over an hour before day two of the dnc gets underway. we'll be back on the floor of the democratic national convention. stay with us. don't go anywhere. our coverage continues.

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welcome to the democracy convention. welcome to the freedom convention. >> she lived the american dream while he's been america's nightmare. >> we choose a new path and open the door to a new day, one that is for the people, and by the people. >> we put a lot of crap in the

highest hardest glass ceiling. >> when my days are through, america, america, i gave my best to you. >> hi, again, everyone. it is 5:00 in new york and it is 4:00 in chicago. where we're flying high off last night's rousing and meaningful first night as the democratic national convention and the democratic party is ready for night two having reflected on the current's president's many accomplishments and heard joe biden in his own words pass the torch to vice president kamala harris, the party sights are on the 2024 candidate and the new possibilities ahead. this week the democrats are making the case before the american people that they are the party that stands for all americans and they are the only party who still believes in democracy. it is the republican party is offering voters is a maga --

maga, project 2025 on the side and more maga at the republican national convention just last month, not a single former republican president or nominee was present. a stark contrast from the democrats hosting their party's standard bearers one after the other in abundance, night after night. but the speakers this year will show case the ever expanding and young coalition that harris is amassing in addition to democratic stalwart and senators chuck schumer and bernie sanders, j.b. pritzker and both obamas speaking tonight. the republican mayor of mesa arizona, john jiles will speak, one of several republicans set to deliver remarks this week. and speaking of the republican national convention, tonight kamala harris and tim walz will hold a rally in the very same arena where the republican national convention was held. "the new york times" reports,

mr. harris's choice of venue is the latest in a series after gressive moves that seem described to get under mr. trump's notoriously thin skin. this marks harris's thirst time in battleground wisconsin since the now seeing her campaign as new polling shows she has reshaped the terrain of 2024 and thrust the sun belt back to the center of the battleground state map. and we've just learned from reporting by reuters that harz raised around $500 million since she got into the race. that was one month ago, folks. it is where we start the hour with the harris-walz candidate. i was talking to dan pheifer about the enthusiasm literally, i am in new york, it beams out of the room and i think to people in the living rooms but that enthusiasm absent a strategic high-tech ground game

dissipates, how do you sort of catch this lightning in a bottle and operationalize it and pull it through it lek day as part of your battleground state ground game? >> well, thanks, nicolle. it is great to be here. and yes, it is beaming through this room and beaming in the battleground states almost more importantly. the vice president is in milwaukee today where there is a huge and very enthusiastic crowd for them. and the energy is fantastic. if we don't do something with it, communicating to other builders and it is an organism that needs to have care, that is how you actually build something inclusive that could win elections. i'm a big deliver in shared stakes. it creates more compelling action. so 2800 events, just this last week tied to this convention

designed to get thousands of voters out there and 3 million doors in july and august, part of a plan designed to win close races in these states that require people on the ground to do just that. >> as a point of personal privilege, as a partisan warrior, when coach kerr said i'm going to spend every day between now and election day trying to get out the vote for kamala harris and tim walz, i was like, what are they going to have him do? what are you going to use super surrogates to do. >> they offered to be volunteers which is great for me. that is a great thing to work with. but think everyone that gets out there and communicate with people and the stakes of the election and draw a bridge to people coming into this organization can be really effective. they could be great messages, but the -- more momentum that we

want to see. whether it is coach kerr and coach walz, who knows, but we'll get out there as often as we can to build that kind of enthusiasm. >> one of the pieces of the evident of the january 6 select committee developed before the 2020 election, tom fitton had sent an email to the white house talking about how to not accept the results of the election. and for trump, the thing that was happening politically is that his polls didn't look good. what do you anticipate beyond trying to prevail among the voters in terms of legal -- or illegal or, you know, election denialism or stacking these election boards. what is sort of the white board look like in terms of what trump might do if the polls continue to go in your direction and not his? >> well, look, first of all, nicolle, i'll say it, it is going to be a close race, as nice as the polls are, and we do feel there is validation that it

is worked and enthusiasm is real but so we're girding ourself for that. and on the point of that potential to have election interference or to cast doubt on the election, nothing like experience, nicolle. we saw this in 2020 and i think we're pretty prepared to deal with it then and did deal with it in 2020 despite all of that transpired but now we're more prepared and there has been a legal and voter protection campaign. i think we have voting access and sites, hours, methods of voting for voters, making it evident and clear that it is safe and it is secure. but then also on the back end, ensuring that the law will be follow and elections will be certified. it is a robust operation. it reminds me all that we have to do to win an election that will be quite close. >> you have all of the stars in the democratic party across the

ideology and geographical and generational spectrum, but i'm keeping my list of the republicans popping up this week. stephanie gresham, adam kinzinger and arizona mayor john jiles who was at the arizona events last week. it is clear that the political operation is in tent on turning out sort of a coalition of support. can you tell me more about the permission structure for disaffected republicans? >> well all of those folks that you menged, also geoff dungeon who was with us at the rally in atlanta two weeks ago, we want to be a party that could work for all americans. that is the entoo tire message here. this is about our freedom and our future and that does not have partisan to it and in stark contrast to what we see from donald trump and maga republicans. whether you're talking about

park robinson or kari lake, this week he's saying he has no regrets on his action on roe and today he refused to condemn kkk marchers in michigan. there is such a stark divide between what he does and says and what the nation wants to see in their elected leaders and they want to focus on issues and lowering costs that the vice president has made a day one priority in this campaign. this besides the joy and the enthusiasm, a message that resonated with americans that want the government to work for them an all people and not be mean and nasty, i think if we deliver that with the speakers on stage tonight but more importantly with the campaign we have on the ground in all states, 300 offices and 600 staff and tens of thousands of volunteers sharing in that ethos. >> people don't land in jobs like yours without having a mind that whirls 24/7. what is the thing that whirls in

your mind when you're trying to go to sleep or out of cell range and you don't have to write it down. what are the things that worry you? >> yeah, i think it is creating the operation and growing it still to meet what is a tremendous demand to be involved in the campaign and that is not predictive of a victory but it is something that we need to work with and it is imperative for us to ensure that people have a place in this came and could carry that forward. so i want to race and keep up with what america wants to go with this campaign and to channel if and turn it into action and talk to voters wherever they are so we could persuade everybody we need to. >> and only it is when someone calls and you want to help and you don't have an immediate answer. i know what you're talking about. thank you for taking some time to start us off this hour. great to talk to you. good luck this week. >> thank you, nicolle. good to see you. let me bring into our

conversation, one of our favorites, jacob soboroff on the floor of the convention. did you get in trouble for messing with that telephone? >> not yet. but i've been requesting access to the boiler room, nicolle and it has not yet been approved by the democratic national committee. so maybe. i'm not sure. >> well keep me out of it. i'm going to disown you if they ask you who you were on the air with. >> you're in new york. you have nothing to worry about. >> what do you got today? >> let me start here but i was listen to your conversation with dan and i want to get into election interference and i want to take a walk over to georgia in a second based on the conversation that you were having. but i don't know what this is about. but this wasn't here yesterday. this is the beginning of the california delegation and there is a lot of reserved seats. do you know what is up for the reserves seats? the big shots in california have reserved seats. i don't know who is coming.

i saw governor newsom show up at the end of the last night. this is a place -- you want to say hello. say hi to nicolle wallace. >> hi, nicolle wallace, how are you. >> hello. we're from philly. >> i love philly. >> are you doing all right. >> we're doing great. >> she's a big fan of philly. nice to see you guys. have fun. nicolle, let's go back to georgia and sorry to do this while i'm walking but i was just reading lisa rubin's article about this georgia state election board and these three commissioners that former president trump has been praising as pit bulls for the actions they're taking allowing them to potentially slow the count of the votes and review the votes. i want to talk to people if they are concerned about what they think. excuse me, might ultimately be the out come of the election. given how narrow this margin was. it looks like there is a couple of folks here from georgia and

let me see if could. >> and ask if they know if their lieutenant governor is speaking there tonight. >> okay, that is a great point. are you georgia delegates? >> yes, we are. >> do you know that your lieutenant governor is speaking her tonight. >> yes. >> do you really? >> yeah. >> come on over. jacob soberoff, we're live on msnbc, what is your name. >> al williams from midway, georgia. >> what is your thoughts about the lieutenant governor being up on the stage. >> great guy. i served on him. we were on different sides of vefrl issues. he was in the majority and i was in the minority and he was always a stand up guy and eye been impressed with his courage. >> let's talk about what is going on with your state election board. because there is concern. >> that is a whole new story. >> and a whole newtory and president trump has praised the commissioners as pit pulls and the harris campaign we were just talking with them, that could affect the outcome of the election. are you guys concerned about the potential election interference

in georgia given how close the -- >> of course they are, the patients have taken over the asylum. it is crazy. >> what could be done in georgia to fight back against this. you have your one vote. but what is -- what is to be done in georgia given the actions that have been taken by board. >> i work in the civic engagement space and there are organizations filing lawsuits right now to take this stuff out. because this is -- what the state election board is passing is ridiculous. and we're trying to stop this. because we know that georgia is going to help deliver for vice president harris and we know for a fact that they're going to try as hard as they can to prevent vice president harris from getting in. but we know we're going to do the work on the ground to get folks out to vote for her. >> i appreciate that. thank you very much for talking to me. it is really feis to meet you. >> i have one more question. >> nicolle has one more question. go ahead. >> shay moss and ruby freeman became the face of the election workers, the sort of pure public servants who were abused by

trump's lies and his conduct. what is georgia doing to protect their election worker this is time? >> shay moss and ruby freeman are names across country that people know for what donald trump did to them in the wake of the 2020 election. and there is no bigger fan than election poll workers than me. i spent a lot of time in the polling places on election night. what is being done in the state to protect these workers who not only many of them volunteer their time and energy to uphold our greatest civic responsibility which is going to the polls? >> unfortunately, it is where you live. as to what is being done. in some areas, everybody is happy. in areas that is looking for fairness, you certainly protect your own and the best thing that could be done is we vote the republicans out of the majority, vote us in and change the board back to a realistic board. >> and you do think that is in the realm of possibility? >> absolutely. democrats will become the majority in georgia, it is

simply a matter of time. we need to get out there and organize and strip people from voting because republicans in georgia know that the fewer people that go out to vote, they win. we need to get people out to vote so democrats can win because georgia is and will be a blue state, it is simply a matter of time. >> stacey abrams talks about that. >> the power of the vote. >> it is a way to fight back on the encroachment on the vote. thank you very much. it is nice to talk to. didn't plan this. i thought it might be interesting to go over there and chat with folks in georgia about what is going on. and this is not the only state obviously that it is happening in. as you were just talking about. and i think that is sort of one of the sub conversations happening here on the floor. there is a lot of excitement and enthusiasm with president broerm and michelle obama coming out tonight. but this is deadly serious,

democracy is on the line and you got the rank and file working on it day in and day out as just heard. >> you know, jacob, i wonder how much january 6 is something that is going to come up this week. i know sergeant began el is on my show and one of the law enforcement officials engaged in medieval combat with trump supporters. how much does that come up in your conversations or in the speeches in the room? >> no, i think, to use the same words used by the south irn direct of california when he over turned the trump family separation policy, it shocks the conscience of people here at convention and i think there is a deep concern about ultimately if and when vice president harris and governor walz ultimately do win the election, if donald trump will concede that election. and just listening to him, i think there continues to be a

lot concern among people on the floor as to whether or not we'll see a repeat wave happened on january 6. but obviously there is no way to predict that. but people continue to talk about it and as you said, i think the campaign is well aware from that so we'll hear from folks who had firsthand experience on that stage. i'll turn around so you could get a look. up on that stage over the course of the next three nights. >> jacob, one of the things that shocked my conscience was your reporting from the floor of the republican convention and i think one of the convention gurus handed you the mass deportation placard that she didn't make with a marker at home and they handed them out and waving them around and one of the images circulating is the republicans waving mass deportation signs while democratic convention-goers are waving things like if we fight, we win or kamala or jill signs.

just jump up on that. what is the sort of -- the difference in terms of what you feel like each party stands for in this moment and this willing to sort of hold above its head in terms of a bumper sticker. >> i said it about a month ago at the republican convention and i'll say it again now, it was deeply disturbing and i don't know any other way to describe it to be on the floor of a convention where literally thousands of people are holding up a sign that said mass deportation now. when the stated goal of the republican party in the platform of the republican party and of the donald trump campaign is to conduct the largest deportation ever in american history and modelled after dwight d. eisenhower operation that deported some mexican-americans to mexico with a name by the way that is so racist and so offensive, i will not repeat it on television. remember, this is a -- and by the way, if it might shock you and shock your conscience, this comes from the people who ran

the family separation policy under former president donald trump. where 5500 people were taken apart from their parents only for the purpose of scaring away other people from coming into this country. and as adam serwer said, that is not what you're seeing at the convention here. in fact, immigration was brought up last night by president biden but we didn't hear a lot about immigration and i'm interested to see the context in which it is brought up over the course of the next couple of nights because president biden has protected 500,000 family members in the last couple of months with executive actions. he's certainly been criticized on the immigration front for more restrictive policies but he is putting forward these policies that you haven't seen the likes of which since daca. so when it comes to the signs, i think there is no comparison and that meme is a very accurate portrayal of what is going on around here. >> you know, family separation and that story that we covered together, i will never forget

where i was sitting and the first time i heard the pro-publica audio of the children screaming when they were separated from their parents. thank you for keeping us rooted in the vast policy differences. jacob soberoff, thank you so much. before we go nbc news has obtained a portion of the video set to air tonight. the children of doug emhoff open up about what they call their blended family. listen to that. >> my parents split when i was in middle school and that wasn't easy. that is not easy for any kid. but it helped that my parents stayed friends and we all kept hanging together. we grew closer than ever. and then he met kamala. a blind date that would change all of our lives forever. it was my senior year of high school. we would laugh watching them fall in love and acting like teenagers.

in 2024, kamala became mom-ala. she took over sunday night dinners and taught dog how to cook. our blended family wasn't used to the spotlight, be when kamala became senator, we were all excited to step up and then kamala became vice president. and it felt like doug was a bit out of place on capitol hill. i thought, what is any goofy dad doing here? but, he embraced it. >> that is what is dad doing here will resonate with every kid in america. second gentleman doug emhoff will be speaking tonight. we have much more to get to from the democratic convention. our political panel will join us in just a minute. and later we'll get a vibe check from our dear friend and colleague joy reid ahead of what promises to be neither dynamic night of programming. "deadline: white house" continues after a quick break. don't go anywhere.

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and then there is donald trump. don't boo. vote. the donald is not really a plans guy. he's not really a facts guy either. he called himself a business guy, which is true. but i have to say, i know plenty of businessmen and women would have achieved remarkable success without leaving a trail of

lawsuits and unpaid workers and people feel like they got cheated. >> to you, donald trump, buckle up. this is before donald trump became president or was actually convicted of 34 felonies or indicted four times or found liable for sexual abuse. so, imagine the vast amounts of material from our president barack obama has to work with tonight. joining our conversation, chief political columnist and host of the podcast in politics for puck, nbc national affairs analyst john heilemann is here and former campaign manager for barack obama, jim messina is here. i start with you, jim. some people engage in an expectations game. president obama doesn't bother because i went back and watched his 2020 speech. it was just -- i mean the country was reeling from covid,

trump's presidency, we were just talking about child separation. i mean it had been four years of muslim bans and covid negligence and child separations. and i mean, it was the moment. i mean, the challenge tonight seems to be matching genuine enthusiasm and energy around kamala harris's campaign as well as warning people and making sure they don't become complacent. now does someone like president obama construct a speech for this moment. >> yeah, nicolle, it is a great point. yes, barack obama is the greatest public speaker of his generation but he's become the kyiv explainer of things. and really an important role of explaining the moment that we are in and why this moment is so important. as you remember, i first heard about kamala harris when she was an attorney general from barack obama. who said to people all over the place, she's a star. she's going to be one of the key pieces of the future of the democratic party. he knew that ten years ago when

no one had heard of her. and so i think tonight he's likely going to want to tell that story and tell the story about where this country is in this moment. and the really stark choice that faces us. and he'll do it with his really, really great speaking style. but what people forget and you just showed a clip, nicolle, he could deliver a negative hit in a way that is just better than everyone else. that has you laughing and isn't feeling as negative as i did on msnbc. >> we now how triggered trump is by president obama especially these mocking attacks that i think jim and others have described today. what do you sort of getting prepared to witness tonight? >> well, i think one of things that jim said a second ago is actually as important, toe maybe not as much fun for -- for

democrats who like to see donald trump eviscerate and -- and eviscerated as surgically and brutally as barack obama is able to. partly, i think, nicolle, for the reason you said, that he gets under trump's skin in the way that few other people do. but the rest of the convention is about having devoted one night really to attribute to joe biden, the rest of this convention is about telling -- telling kamala harris's story. and explaining who she is, what she believes in, and why she is the clear choice in the fall. and i think that because barack obama has been a fan of hers and has known her for so long and michelle obama, too, they are able to speak to her and talk about her as a person, as a candidate, as a political figure, as a public figure, as a set of values embodied in a

career that she's had in public service in a way, because of his authority, in a way that few other people can. there are people from her life who are friends of hers who know her in a way that he doesn't. but he has been tracking her career for a long time. and i think integrating the threads of kamala harris's career as attorney general in the state of california, as a senator and vice president and now as a presidential nominee, is a important piece of story telling that barack obama can do in a way because ever -- of his power and authority and i imagine no one else can and i find a calibrated balance between attacking trump, emphasizing the stakes of the election and get down to the business that has to be done to sta tell her story and the electorate that has to be persuaded who she is and why

she's clearly superior to trump. >> and then there is michelle obama. and i went back and watched her 2020 speech as well. i forget that she had said, you all know i hate politics. i felt like that was a thing that reporters knew from people like you, jim. but in 2020 she said it. you all know i hate this. but i'm here because that is how bad trump is. four years later, trump is back. what is she saying tonight and what her opportunity to reach people who don't want to hear from politician and she comes out and said this is not about politics, folks. >> yeah, look, people forget that michelle obama is the most popular political figure in america. and in part because of exact lip as you said, she's not political. and i remember in '08 when we were running, she didn't want to do this. at one point, why are we doing this. this is not the future i thought for my and my girls and it

became a family thing. and i think she has the ability to treat it and talk about it in a normal way that anyone would talk about it and try to make the stakes really clear. and she also could deliver a hit on her own. we remember when they go low, we go high. saying that has become a mantra of the democratic party. that was michelle obama. and so i think she'll take that moment to have a little bit more fun with it. a little bit of a bigger smile. and try to talk why this election is so important. and you know, take a couple of shots at donald trump as well. >> i need you guys to stick around. i have to sneak in a short break. i'm behind on those today so let me do that real quick. we'll all be right back. we'll all be right back. a chewy pharmacy order is en route for summit, who loves the outdoors. so her parents use chewy to save 20% on their first order of flea & tick meds. delivered fast, so summit never misses a dose. or an adventure. for quality meds. for life with pets, there's chewy.

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we're back with john heilman and jim messina. i'm going to ask you something, john, i asked dan, what is the best way to make sure that something that is produced to project as much genuine enthusiasm and excitement for kamala harris and affection and loyalty to joe biden into our living rooms for in our nights, sustained and sustained through election day and sustained turnout operations and sustained whatever hurdles republicans throw in the way of actually getting out and voting in

november. >> having a real narrative that voters and the grassroots supporters really understand and care very deeply about really invest in. the magic formula that both obama campaigns was barack obama and how much people believed in his vision and no matter how bad things got, heilemann and i remember how bad the first debate was in 2012 and we were able to sustain it because we built a grassroots army that will be there no matter what happened. and when you think about volunteers, they could do three things for you. they could vote for you and give you money, but most importantly they could be emissaries to their friend and family. making sure they know how to do that is part of how you build a grassroots campaign and what they're trying to do after they get done of telling the story of kamala harris. this is the fastest campaign we've ever done. 80 days to make the case so we have to put some flesh on that bone this week and then it is straight to the grassroots. >> john heilemann, you're always out there on the road, being my

eyes and ears because i'm not. how does this feel or does it feel different? how does this feel? >> different from what? >> from other campaigns. from the trump campaign, from four years ago, from eight years ago, from 12 years ago. >> right. i mean, look, the reason i ask, michelle -- i was thinking about michelle obama, the reason i ask, nicolle, this campaign feels so different now than it did just a couple of months ago for all of the reasons that we've discussed at length. and i just can't even -- it is hard to imagine how different this convention would feel if joe biden were still the nominee as opposed to kamala harris. how does it feel different from other campaigns? i mean, i had on the podcast the other day, dog soznick. and dog, who had just published in "new york times" this piece, an op-ed piece last friday that

said -- that talked about the total transformation of the race in the span of the last month and he had 14 maps that laid it all out. but the most interesting thing that he said was in his lifetime in politics, which stretched back to the late '70s, there had only been two candidates really three who had represented -- who were movement candidates and they were ronald reagan, very early in his career, barack obama and donald trump. and in a different way in 2016. and i think that his point he was saying, that kamala harris has a possibility not quite there yet, but she has the possibility of becoming a movement candidate and i site it because that is what it feels like out here. people don't want to hear this, but in 2016, there was a feeling that donald trump was a movement. if you went to trump rally, he was connecting with something deep and powerful beyond the republican party. you don't have to like the things he was connecting with them but he was kecking with them.

barack obama in 2008 was similar to that. i did not cover ronald reagan in 1980. but that -- that organic kind of enthusiasm and the way in which the candidate is in some ways the trigger for that to -- forren -- for unleashing the candidate. and if the candidate who becomes the leader of a movement, it is the movement and this goes to jim's point about the grassroots, they're em bowing the candidate with a meaning and with hope and aspiration and whatever the special thing is. they're not pulling the lever for a preference. they have decided that this candidate embodies something that means something more exalted than politics in some ways for them. and i think that the difference when you -- when i felt in the hall yesterday, even though it was very focused on joe biden, but what you feel among democrats here and what you see at the events that kamala harris has been doing, since she became the de facto nominee, is that

sense of an incipient movement. jimg is right. this is a short campaign. it is hard to ignite a movement in a short period of time, if not there yet, she's on the brink of doing that and i think we'll see that energy in wisconsin tonight. >> the evidence of that is everywhere. one of the places that i've been looking at is the lines that formed at her event, the center of the political universe is chicago. but she's in milwaukee and the lines are rock star size lines. i mean, they -- they were filling -- this is milwaukee. this is not chicago. this is from milwaukee event. >> milwaukee, yes. >> president harris will be here at 9:00 p.m. eastern. so in four hours. and this is her event. arizona looked like this. philadelphia looked like this. all of her events look like this. that is not, not politics as

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they are filing in and taking their seats because in just a few minutes, day two, night two of the democratic national convention officially gets underway. joy reid is there and in the room where it is happening. take me inside. >> yeah, absolutely, nicolle. it is another day of huge anticipation. i have talked to so many people here who are anticipating excited to hear barack obama and michelle obama. that is what people are waiting for. but it is just a continuation of what we saw yesterday. there is a lot of talk about the passing of the torch. i think people are excited. but look, nicolle, the lineup that is sitting in front of me, if you had told me even a year ago that judge michael luttig would be here and it going to have fans in the audience, and he's going to be speaking here, i would have been like, you're crazy. just ran into our friend oliva

troy who worked for mike pence. it is a moment when people who are in the other party are mingling in this space and feeling totally at home. i think that is the vibe that kamala harris and tim walz has created. >> she has created vision structures vast and micro. and i have to say, i think the republicans would have been there for president biden as well. but there is something about the repeating with which she has pushed these out. if feels like every single day another shoe drops in that republican coffin for what the party once was. just talk about -- about that dynamic between aligning themselves on the pro-democracy side. >> you know, and the difference, you're absolutely right, judge luttig has been a champion of defending democracy. and again those of us who were like supreme court nerds, remember him being on all of the republicans lists.

okay, for the supreme court. that is how conservative he is. but what he's put forward, yes, he would have been likely here for president biden. but here is the difference. the case that president biden has been making, when he was running for re-election, was really about the imminent doom to our democracy that donald trump represents. he still roots it in what he saw in charlottesville and the threat of donald trump. the difference is, is that kamala harris and tim walz, they recognize the threat but that is not the basis of their appeal. and that is not the basis of their that's not the basis of their message. what they're saying is a return to normalcy. to not have to wake up every morning worrying about our democracy. that what they're offering to the public, what they're offering to the people behind me in this room is a chance to go to thanksgiving dinner and not fight with your relatives. it's a chance to not think about politics every day. to be able to breathe and feel

joy and not always worry that around the corner is another threat from russia colluding with our president or our president selling us to china or to north korea or whoever's giving him a check. so i think they're offering relief from the thing that we've all been experiencing collectively for the past several years and that is the constant sense of threat. they communicate the threat but they do it in a way that it's not about the threat, it's about us all coming back together around the kitchen table and being norm ma'am. >> it's also about squeezing him out of the spotlight. it's amazing how diminished he seems in these news cycles since she became the nominee. >> it is amazing. even today they're going to squeeze him out of his own venue for his convention. like literally the ultimate troll. harris and walz will not be here when the obamas are speaking on stage. they will be in the same arena where donald trump did his rnc,

his convention. hey, everybody, we're here where he was, but we're cleaning up the place. we're bringing normal to the place, right? we're bringing fun to the place. so it is. it's been incredible that he hasn't been able to bully boy his way back onto the news cycle, back into the a blocks because we don't have to think about him every day. what a relief that is. that is what joe biden did. let me take this for you. >> i've got it. >> yeah. it works. it works. >> it does work. joy reid, amazing job last night having all of those interviews from the floor. i look forward to another night of that tonight. >> thank you. >> thank you so much, my friend. >> thank you. >> there are already, to joy reid's point, huge crowds there for vice president kamala harris and tim walz holding a rally across state lines in milwaukee. this is a live shot, that doesn't start for hours, there it is. full. as joy mentioned in an arena

where donald trump sechd the nomination for the republican party last month. the remarks expected 8 p.m. tonight. they will be beamed back into the convention hall. let's bring in our colleague yamish alcindor. it looks packed to the rafters. >> reporter: well, there are people still waiting to get inside here. vice president harris and governor walz, they wanted to come here and directly engage. why did you want to have a rally in the middle of the dnc. they wanted to come here. it's her third visit to wisconsin since she's been the nominee which has been less than a month, nicole, even though it's felt like a year. what you're hearing from people standing in line, they're excited, enthusiastic. they want to be part of the

party going on an hour and a half south of here in milwaukee. first they will talk about what they can do for a state like wisconsin. this is a really, really big venue. it's not always filled up. i'm going to be interested so see if every single seat was filled. most of the rallies here have been packed. they're making the big bet that they can pack the a reason yeah while having another packed arena of dnc. they want to underscore they will be in more than one place. >> freedom is up there. there aren't any special guests expected, are there? >> we don't know if there are any special guests with them. song freedom i wouldn't be here

if beyonce was on her way to chicago but i am here. for right now from what we understand, it will be governor walz and vice president harris speaking here. there will be musical guests. and maybe a big name will come. my understanding is they are wanting this to be a whole sort of reunion, party. they want to lean into the idea of joy. even if we don't see beyonce, we might see other people underscoring democrats want to see a race where it's a people power campaign. they are calling republicans weird, creepy. that's not all we're doing as democrats. they're saying they're going to be here to lay out a vision for america that's going to be inclusive, turning a page and leaning into making everyone's life better about the country.

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i'll be back tonight alongside my friends and colleagues, rachel maddow and joy reid for full coverage of night two of the democratic national con verngs. we're expecting a performance from patti labelle. we'll hear from stephanie grisham. senator bernie sanders, second gentleman doug emhoff, republican mayor john giles from

mesa, arizona. and michelle and former president barack obama. and all the states will take their turn nominating kamala harris and tim walz. that live harris/walz rally from milwaukee will be beamed back in to chicago. all happening tonight. right now our special coverage continues with joy, ari melber and alex wagner. stay with us. >> i love the job, but i love my country more. >> the democratic party rolls on in chicago. >> night, night. >> president biden passes the torch and night two of the dnc begins. >> we are moving forward! >> tonit,