all you hear we're going to go. i remember i had tickets to see travis scott in orlando. i was going to go. then i was like, it's too late. i have a track meet in two days. it's probably going to make me too tired. yeah, i'm not going to go. then i hear from my friend, kanye west just showed up. my favorite artist. good for them. you have to repeat the mantra, i'm going to be an olympic champion. then you have the sacrifices of food, diet, mental health, always trying to keep your team in line and putting your best foot forward. sometimes you don't get it right. that's part of being human. that's just how we are. >> it's all worth it. >> he is also the world's fastest man. that's kind of cool. noah lyles, thank you very much for coming into the studio. >> thank you so much. congratulations. >> and that does it for us this

morning. jose diaz-balart picks up the coverage right now. right now on our special coverage, day three for democrats in chicago. day two culminating in the obamas praising vice president kamala harris and taking swipes at donald trump. >> we have seen that movie before, and we all know that the sequel is usually worse. >> who is going to tell him that the job he's currently seeking might just be one of those black jobs? >> plus the gop at the dnc prominent republicans make a case for red voters to go blue, but are those voters listening? also ahead, the democratic ticket rallies 80 miles from chicago filling an arena in wisconsin as their campaign touts a massive new fundraising hall. >> and tim walz getting ready for his big moment.

what we're learning about his speech to the nation tonight. it's great to have you with us. it's 10:00 eastern. i'm the this is day three of the democratic national convention following big speeches from a popular couple returning to the political spotlight in a big way. >> former president obama and former first lady michelle obama closing out the night giving dual speeches with dual goals, uplifting vice president harris and taking down donald trump. >> kamala harris is more than ready for this moment. she is one of the most qualified people ever to seek the office of the presidency. her story is your story. it's my story. it's the story of the vast

majority of americans trying to build a better life. >> we do not need four more years of bluster is and bumbling and chaos. we have seen that movie before. and we all know that the sequel is usually worse. america's ready for a new chapter. america's ready for a better story. we are ready for a president kamala harris. >> more big names on deck for tonight including bill clinton and speaker nancy pelosi along with tim walz. >> let's discuss this with msnbc chris jansing, former speech writer for president obama david lit, bloomberg correspondent kayla gardener, and host maxwell. what was the feeling last night

as both obamas closed out day two? >> i would say electrifying. that's just their presence. then came the speeches. a couple of obvious things. these are two of the most beloved people in the democratic party and have been for years. they are also two of the most skilled rhetorical poiticians, and she's not even a politician, that have been in modern times. they know how to write and to give a speech and, boy, did they exceeding expectations. all she had to do was walk out on stage and the emotion was palpable. women were crying. her presence here was so important. i think there are a couple things that, as you mentioned, they wanted to do. some expected a couple less expected. first of all, she really lifted up kamala harris, someone she knows, someone she likes. also the same with barack obama, but he then went a little step

further. he honored the man who who was his vice president, joe biden. and i think there was also a note of caution. that's the political part of the speech. that's the final message. you get people worked up and then you say, but, here's the but both of them. >> the torch has been passed. now it is up to all of us to fight for the america we believe in. make no mistake, it will be a fight. for all the incredible energy we have been able to generate over the last few weeks, for all the rallies and the meems, memes, this will still be a tight race in a closely divided country. >> so no matter how good we feel tonight or tomorrow or the next day, this is going to be an

uphill battle. >> reporter: some sobering words from both of them, but i think the intensity was really surrounding michelle obama. and she did a couple of critical things. first, she invoked hope. that's the same theme that her husband first ran on. these speeches all get cleared through the campaign. this was a very specific thing. they have turned the page here. they have gone away from the malaise that was in this party and they want it to be joyful and hopeful. but more surprising was the way she went after donald trump. really attacking both on behalf of this party, but something very personal to her in the way that donald trump has addressed her family all these years. so i think what we're seeing now is a fired up electorate, but

people who got what they wanted and that is a denunciation of the man that kamala harris is running against. >> so much has happened since the obamas were in the white house, but this through line, this message of hope that came out again in this speech, michelle obama declaring hope is making a comeback, this is a stark contrast with trump's politics of fear, but fear. it worked for him in 2016. how do democrats make their vision appeal over trump's message and tone? >> what you saw last night was a message of hope plus determination. that's why you had the callouts in michelle obama's speech saying, do something. that's something that i keep hearing from people as i walk around the convention. everyone is joyful and feeling exuberant, but they know they

have to do the work to make this happen. and another thing i think was important about what michelle obama said was she spoke to many of the divisive topics that donald trump likes to go back to like misogyny and racism and bigotry. i think that we needed toers that that clarity from someone like michelle obama to understand the stakes of this moment, the stakes are high. but our mood is even higher. >> i was wondering as a former obama speech writer, what stood out to you about those speeches? >> think both of them were standout speeches. to talk about the former first lady's speech. one of the things she's always talked about. if you look at her convention speeches, they are almost like a bunch of speeches that it's gratitude for this country. she didn't just talk about trump. she talked about trump in the context of who we are.

how we couldn't get the third and fourth chances that he gets. and the anger that she had was not just directed at him, but it was this sense of righteous indignation, no matter who we vote for. i think that idea of deep down are you grateful for everything this country has given you or a whiner and a complainer. i think we're seeing that contrast start to build stronger and stronger. that's a really important pivotal moment on a tuesday of a convention. it's when the convention goes from question mark to explanation point. both obamas now this is an explanation point convention. >> we heard from michelle obama talking about what comes next. the work that's left for democrats. here's more. >> it's up to us to remember what kamala's mother told her. don't just sit around and complain. do something. so if they lie about her and they will, we've got to do something. if we see a bad poll, and we

will, we got to put down that phone and do something. if we start feeling tired, if we start feeling that dread creeping back in, we have to pick ourselves up and do something. we did it before, y'all, and we sure can do it again. let us work like our lives depend on it. and let us keep moving our country forward and go higher. >> the stakes and that fraing, what did it suggest about the role the obamas may have for the remainder of this campaign? >> i think for one, something i reflected on yesterday is just how much of a change candidate barack obama was to politics period. the ground game he built in 2008 and 2012 was really replicated even by the republican party. and that is what harris is exactly trying to do. just to show how much regard she has for him, she campaigned for

him in 2008. so she's really shown how much she has regarded him a at a time when democrats were straying away from him. she's brought people on to her team who worked on those campaigns. she's just trying to replicate that. this is a passing of the baton by not only biden to harris, but also obama to harris and really her trying to take on the same mantal and build the same coalition he built in those elections. >> when it came to attacks on trump, the obamas really tried to use his own words against him. here's a little bit of that. listen to it. >> who's going to tell him that the job he's currently seeking might just be one of those black jobs. >> here's a 78-year-old billionaire, who has not stopped whining about his problems since he rode down his golden escalator nine years ago.

it's been a constant stream of gripes and grievances that has been getting worse now that he's afraid of loing to kamala. there's the childish nicknames, the crazy conspiracy theories, this weird obsession with crowd sizes. >> after michelle obama's memorable 2016 line, they go low, we go high, bigger picture for democrats. how has the approach to taking on trump evolved? >> i think it's about getting real. it's about talking about the damage that donald trump did to our country and our democracy and also the damage he potentially can do to our country if he gets back into the white house and they implement many of the provisions in project 2025.

i also think that the framing about donald trump only caring about himself and just being a constant stream of complaining, he was banned from twitter. but before that, we would wake up every single morning of the trump administration to see what the president of the united states was complaining about on twitter overnight. literally tweeting in the middle of the night and not caring about the regular average american and what their concerns are. even in his speech recently where he stood in front of a bunch of grocery, he was personally attacking kamala harris the and complaining about all types of things, but not talking about the solutions to any of the problems that the the average american family is thinking about every single day. i think that that's something that came through even as the obamas yesterday directly talked about and criticized donald trump. they are also talking about the issues that that diverse arena of americans cares very much about. >> and americans really do know who donald trump is. none of those attacks, those

pointed remarks against trump were surprising for americans to hear. they knew exactly what they were referring to. but there's still a lot of people getting to know kamala harris. so we heard from the second gentleman who was not a politician. he really focused on the personal side of who kamala harris is. let's watch. >> of course, my mind went to all the potential crises that the vice president could be dealing with, was it domestic, foreign, was it campaign, i could see she was focused. all i knew was that it must be something important. it turns out it was. ella had called her. that's kamala. that's kamala. those kids are her priorities, and that scene was a perfect map of her heart. she's always been there for our

children, and i know she'll always be there for yours too. >> david, we hear him talk about kamala the mother figure and how she integrates his family into her world. do the aims change when writing or delivering a speech in a venue like this when it's not a career politician, somebody like elm hof? >> we have been talking about michelle obama's speeches as a first spouse. now we have doug speaking as a second gentleman and potentially the first gentleman. i do think the spouse has credibility that almost no one else has because they know that person better than anybody. it often really helps that they are not politicians. one thing the voters are going to decide this election, do not like poitics. so to have somebody say this is just this person, this is who she is when the cameras are off, when we're making dinner, when her stepdaughter called. that is really copelling stuff.

in a way, the lack of politicalness about it, but that lack of politician rhetoric can be effective because most of us don't speak that way. >> there's so much of an effort and understandably so, in helping to define vice president harris. it's such a short period of time that she's actually now the democratic standard bearer, there's so little time left. vice presidential nominee tim walz is going to be speaking tonight. talk about someone who has a very little national profile. what can we expect in this key moment for him as he introduces himself to the united states. >> walz has been interesting to watch because he's not someone who ha h a major profile. he was a dark horse in the vice presidential search. he's really risen. i think the role he's taken on in this campaign is really as ab attack dog going toe to toe on

these very personal insults. he's been cheering his own personal stories about his wife's struggles to having children about the freedoms i expect democrats are going to continue to talk about in this election. talking about abortion rights, talking about gun violence, talking about education. and that is really the role that the campaign is hoping to use with him. >> thank you all. we appreciate you. chris is going to have much more dnc coverage. up next, the vice president filling the same arena as the rnc in milwaukee. how that energy is translating into campaign cash. but the trump campaign isn't keeping quiet. what they are doing to ding the democrats with a swing state blitz. plus we'll talk to peter welch of virginia, the first to call on president biden to exit the race.

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is now in our hands. we carry the baton. >> fighting for freedom. carrying the baton. vice president kamala harris' message to rally goers in wisconsin last night, where she made this campaign stop even with the democratic national convention in full swing holding this rally more than 80 miles from chicago's united center in chicago. >> that exact place is where donald trump accepted the republican nomination for president just last month. joining us now is senior white house correspondent gabe gutierrez. it was such a split-screen moment there on purpose by the dnc. what was the thinking hand that? >> reporter: good morning. certainly, it was a huge show of force. it was really a surreal moment to see that video piped in from wisconsin right here in this arena behind me. essentially, kamala harris and tim walz were addressing two massive arenas at the same time.

about 20,000 people or so here. another 15,000 or so in milwaukee. as i said, it really was a show of force. let's take a listen to what some of vice president harris had to say to that audience in milwaukee just 80 miles north of here. >> this campaign is not just about us versus donald trump. this is not just about us versus dth did the. dth. this is about two very different visions for our nation. one, ours, focused on the future. the other, focused on the past. and wisconsin, we fight for the future. we fight for the future. >> on her way back from milwaukee, vice president harris actually saw the speech that her husband was giving to this crowd here in chicago.

the campaign released that video of her watching the speech on air force one. now this all the comes as the campaign has really been saying that part of the decision to hold that second rally in wisconsin is because they are trying to hit the swing states. wisconsin, such a critical swing state that governor walz and kamala harris want to reach as many voters as possible there. it also comes as sources familiar with the fundraising hall say that the campaign since kamala harris took over the top of the ticket, they have raised not just the campaign, but other fundraising entities incluing superpacs, $500 million the. they expect to raise around $600 million by the the end of the month. >> we see the lights flickering behind you as they gear up for speeches tonight. we have some new reporting on tim walz's speech. what are you learning? >> reporter: certainly. part of the challenge here is to introduce governor walz to that wider national audience. we have been hearing about this for several week here's on this network and through our reporting that the campaign is really trying to sell him in a

way to the american people, trying to get his life history out there. his 24 years of service in the army national guard and also the fact he was a high school football coach. we those themes to be present in his speech tonight. and also we expect to be nominated by several of his students. he had such a big impact on them growing up as he was a high school teacher in minnesota. that's what we expect from tim walz tonight. a big night for him. trying to introduce his story to a national audience. similar to what doug did yesterday trying to sell him to a national audience, introduce him and giving some of those personal stories behind his relationship with kamala harris. >> gabe gutierrez, thank you very much. good to see you. the ceremonial role call vote at the dnc turned into one tremendous celebration. >> dj spinning songs inspired by

each state as their delegations cast their votes. here's just a bit of the fun. >> dnc, turn out for what. >> i'm 83 years old. i'm here suited up and ready to battle. >> from the memphis to peaks of mountain city, the movement for jthsz rooted in love in tennessee is still strong. >> we're from jersey, baby. and you're not. >> because i found a way to access abortion care, i'm pregnant again. my baby is due in january, just in time to see kamala harris the sworn in as president of the united states. >> as the first ever black chair candidate, i'm proud to cast our 39th vote for the first black woman president kamala harris. >> let's go!

>> and up next, the republicans who spoke on the dnc stage. could their support of kamala harris move the dial with some gop voters? plus how the trump campaign is looking to turn up the pressure on the democratic ticket in some battleground states as jd vance slams him over his military record. >> my theory about why they decided to have the convention in chicago. tim walz has been going around saying he served in war. maybe they did it in chicago so they could accurately say he visited a combat zone. visited a combat zone.

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former president trump and jd vance are back on the campaign trail for another round of counterprogramming set to deliver remarks this afternoon in north carolina. >> notably, this is the first outdoor event donald trump will hold since the attempted assassination last month.

vaughn hillyard is on his way to that event and has more for us. >> reporter: good morning. you'll have to forgive me for being on the side of the road here making my way to that event here where donald trump and jd vance are slated to appear together for the first time on the campaign trail this week. donald trump in michigan yesterday for an event that was tailored to be focused on crime and law enforcement. today's focus, the campaign says, on national security. we have heard very little from donald trump in terms of responding to the substance of what was up on the stage in terms of speeches from the first two nights of the convention. his advisers and allies have been quick to make reference to how many times donald trump's name has been brought up by speakers on the stage. they have compared that in number count to the number oftimes that the border and inflation have been explicitly talked about from that very same stage here.

for donald trump here, he's not shied away from the personal insults. michelle obama, who warns democrats that more unfair attacks will be coming kamala harris' way, so the question here this afternoon is, what tact does donald trump take going forward? notably today will be donald trump's first outdoor event since the attempted assassination in butler. we're told secret service has built out a protective bullet proof glass around the greater podium area for this event in north carolina today. but i also mentioned jd vance is going to be at this event. tim walz will be speaking tonight at the democratic national convention. i want to let you listen to some of jd vance's criticism a fellow veteran himself, against the minnesota governor and ahead of that speech tonight. >> my little theory about why they decided to have the convention in chicago is tim walz has been going around saying that he served in war. maybe they did it in chicago so he could accurately say he visited a combat zone.

>> reporter: we expect to hear tim walz address his military service of 24 years here later tonight. donald trump for his part, he's going to be making his way out west with a stop at the border, a rally in arizona and nevada over the next 72 hours. >> vaughn hillyard, thank you for fitting us into your travels. while strump and vance are delivering the gop message, it was a former trump press secretary who delivered the republican rebuttal, so to speak torks a possible second trump term. >> skefny grisham was one of several republican voices to make the case for kamala harris. >> behind closed doors, trump mocks his supporters. he calls them basement dwellers. on january 6th, i asked melania if we could tweet while peaceful protest is the right of every american, there's no place for lawlessness or violence.

she replied with one word, no. i became the first senior staffer to resign that day. >> joining us this morning is democratic strategist and former contestant on apprentice and lonnie chen. so what do you make of the dnc's efforts to bring in republican voices? >> well, it's very important, for one thing, for the dnc to remind people of the democratic accomplishments and to remind people who kamala harris is. but it's equally important for them to remind people who trump is. that's exactly what stephanie grisham has done. that's what some of the other republican voices have done. also, they are trying to appeal to maintain the base, excite the base, but they are trying to appeal to people beyond the base because they have to run up the numbers. this needs, as michelle obama said last night, this needs to be a definitive win.

a resounding win. you do that by persuading more independents, by getting those moderate republicans who voted for joe biden to expand that universe as well. so this gives that permission to republicans, who may be disenchanted with trump and nikki haley voters. it gives them permission to come out and join this movement, or to vote. >> i want to play some of what we heard at kamala harris' rally last night in wisconsin, as the dnc was underway. watch this. >> a future for freedom, opportunity of optimism, and faith. as the generations of americans before us who led the fight for freedom, the baton is now in our hands. we carry the baton. do we believe in freedom?

do we believe in opportunity? do we believe in the promise of america? >> you see all those signs that say freedom on it. you hear her use that word over and over again. it is something, a word, a phrase that republicans have often tried to channel as part of their message and their platform for years. does that connect with some of the on the fence voters, independents and republicans, who maybe disaffected who aren't straight for trump? >> i don't think she would be using it if there wasn't evidence it connected. in other words, i think a lot of this has been survey tested. they understand these are themes that appeal not just to republicans, but they probably appeal to the target independent voter that they need in places like pennsylvania and michigan and wisconsin. it is appealing. i think you're right about permission structure. what they are looking for is to

create a permission structure for republicans and republican-minded independents to support the harris/walz ticket. by talking about these themes, they are saying, listen, these are familiar themes. you can be safe swimming in this water as well. whether the voters actually buy it or not is a different question, but it's clear what they are trying to do, which is to set the stage for these folks to participate. >> just wondering because there are disaffected trump republicans. and they are everywhere. the vast majority of republicans seem to support the former president. but as the dnc strategy, i'm thinking, where do you draw the balance between talking about issues and policies, and then focusing on kind of like the importance of making, for democrats, the election a referendum on donald trump as a person? >> they have to do both. that's what was a winning strategy for joe biden. so i think a lot of people were

sort of, unfortunately, dismiss ing some of biden's sx, but the fact of the matter is he beat donald trump. he was the guy that did it. his campaign, which the vice president has maintained a lot of that staff and that leadership, they are that campaign that did that. so i think it's important for her. she's got to remind people because there's a tendency with voters, when time passes, we're all busy. we forget. so it's so important to remind people about those personal character issues that turned them off in the first place, but you have to thread the needle and balances it with outlining a positive vision for america and what you're going to do. so they have to be able to do both and they have to do both at the same time. >> are republicans even paying attention to the dnc? republican voters specifically, you talk about the messaging, but there is the policy piece. do you see any of the policies

that have been presented by the harris campaign being something that would be attractive to conservatives? >> i don't know that republican voters are paying much attention. i think that the independent-minded republicans are maybe people who supported nikki haley in the primary. they might be paying attention, to some degree. i do think president obama, he made a pretty heavy policy pitch in the middle of his speech when he talked about, for example, kamala harris's plan to provide down payment relief for low-income americans. the idea behind these policies that you have seen unveiled so far is to speak directly to folks who may feel like this economy has left them behind. some of those people maybe voted for donald trump. so i think the big question is going to be how, in fact, these people are going to think about this election. are they thinking about it in terms of the next four years or thinking about it retrospectively. do they want to give donald

trump another four years. that's something we'll only figure out as the weeks go on. >> there was an interesting kind of surprising for many. trump was asked about president obama ahead of his speech last night. here's what he had to say. >> i like him. i think he's a nice gentleman, but he was very weak on trade. if you look at what happened to our country trade wise, it was a disaster. but i happen to like him. i respect him. >> what do you think? >> i think trump is trying to soften. he's trying to pivot a little bit because he's a nasty guy that says nasty things. let's just be frank. so i think he's seen the momentum that this positive campaign is gaining. for the first time, trump isn't in the news all the time. the vice president is in the news all the time. she has the momentum. it doesn't mean she's going to win, it means this is going to be a tough fight, but she has the momentum in this moment. i think he's trying to -- he's struggling with messaging.

he's trying to figure out what the right tone is, how to approach things, but he knows what he's doing now is not getting him what he values the most. and that's media attention. >> thank you both. coming up, we'll talk to democratic senator peter else welch of vermont. he was the first senator to call on president biden to end his reelection bid. what he makes of the state of the race today. the state of the race today [street noise] [car door shuts] [paparazzi cameras] introducing, ned's plaque psoriasis. ned, ned, who are you wearing? he thinks his flaky red patches are all people see. otezla is the #1 prescribed pill to treat plaque psoriasis. ned? otezla can help you get clearer skin, and reduce itching and flaking. with no routine blood tests required. doctors have been prescribing otezla for over a decade. otezla is also approved to treat psoriatic arthritis.

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she grew up in a middle class home. she was the daughter of a working mom. and she worked at mcdonald's while she got her degree. kamala harris knows what it's like to be middle class. it's why she's determined to lower health care costs and make housing more affordable. donald trump has no plan to help the middle class, just more tax cuts for billionaires. being president is about who you fight for. and she's fighting for people like you. i'm kamala harris and i approve this message.

we are back with more of our special coverage of the democratic national convention in chicago. now tonight, former house speaker nancy pelosi will take the stage amid reports of lingering tension between her and president biden over her role in his exit from the race. >> but democrats are down playing those internal tensions and a rally around kamala harris with voters heading to polls in two and a half months. joining us now is senator peter welch of vermont. it's great seeing you. thank you so much for your time. when you look at the line of speakers this week at the dnc, congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez, nancy pelosi, senators from south and northeast, former first ladies, a former trump administration official. whaps the overarching message

democrats have been sending so far? >> it's unity. unity and energy. one of the things that we owe president biden is that he has a unified democratic party. he made a courageous decision to step aside, even though he had thement nomination. it was based on his commitment to doing the right thing for the country. but it's been surprising how seamless the transition has been to vice president harris. but the basic reason that happened is because he, the president, has unified the party from joe manchin to bernie sanders. >> nancy pelosi was on the late show early this morning. she discussed the change in the democratic ticket. here's part of that conversation. >> many people think that you were one of the architects of that change. does that bother you that people

think that about you? >> well, i think the president made his own decision, and they should respect him for that. let's just say this. what's really important about what happened is what comes next. it's what comes next. and what comes next is we're going to elect kamala harris, president of the united states. >> senator, you were the first member of the senate to call for president biden to end his campaign, and quote, put us first. is this what you envisioned? what do you think needs to come next? >> it is what i envisioned. we the all saw the debate. it was clear that there was a serious situation. we went from a campaign that was really going to be focused on trump to one that was going to be focused on biden, with president biden's decision the campaign is now about the future. and vice president harris is doing an extraordinary job of

that. now we have an immense amount of energy and our challenges to harness that energy because we have a very, very challenging race ahead. but i think there's a real sense that with discipline, with harnessed energy, we can win. >> i very much appreciate you continuing our conversation as we listen to someone practiing for the national anthem, which we respect and revere, but i know you're kind of separate, so i appreciate being able to talk through it. tides seem to be shifting. north carolina, the last republican-leaning swing state just moved to a toss-up. how bullish are you that this momentum in these states could continue? >> it's a jump ball. there's no hiding the fact or denying the fact that there's going to be a close race. but what you see is that with

our new candidate and with tim walz, there's an immense amount of energy and momentum. the race is about the future. the future is what most voters are really focused on. so yes, we have a hard race. we're excited about the vice president and tim walz. but i will tell you we are prepared to do the work. we have a map that is starting to favor us. so states that were in the safe republican category like north carolina, they are now jump balls. so we have work to do, but we're ready to do it. and we're excited about doing it. >> when you talk about unit and that being the message of this convention, it's not lost on me that some of the most vulnerable democrats down ballot this year are not in chicago this week. senators jon tester of montana,

sherrod brown of ohio, jacky rosen of nevada, just to name a few. is it the right move to distance themselves from what's happening there from the top of the ticket? >> i think the right move for them is to do whatever is required for them to win that race. each of us represents a state. you mentioned brown and tester. they come from two tough states. they are very popular senators. but they are doing everything they can, as they do throughout their entire term, to make it clear they put montana first. they put ohio first. so any of us who are in a contested race have to make decisions on the basis of how are we going to win. the tester and sherrod brown are doing that. so yes, i think they are doing the right thing. >> senator welch, we thank you so much for being with us this morning. we appreciate your time. go through this conversation, i really appreciate it. >> thank you. up next, we sit down with a

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is a group of black men who meet once a week to discuss issues most relevant to their community. and last night, they were in chicago for the dnc. their discussion there included some pretty frank talk about the state of the presidential race. and the surging democratic candidate kamala harris. >> nbc's trymaine lee sat down with that group, black man lab, last night, and i'm curious about that conversation, what did they tell you? >> when we see this new energy breathe into kamala harris' campaign, it hasn't missed black men. there is this air of excitement. as is typical, it is also bounced out with a little bit of skepticism, considering the way that black men have traditionally been engaged with the political process. while this group on the south side of chicago, which could be a world away from where we are now gave their frank and candor opinions, it was a balanced bag. check it out. >> i want to ask you brothers,

how are you all feeling about this election? how are you feeling? >> i kind of feel cheated. i kind of feel like i'm being forced to make a decision that i don't want to make on either candidate. one is because one of the persons just shouldn't be dealing with humanity altogether. and the other person, i don't know much about her. and she's been in office for the past three and a half years. i don't feel cheated. i feel excited about the fact that we have a chance to make history again. and in doing that, i'm part of that. >> one thing that is very interesting and so donald trump, from 2020, says has doubled his percentage point of likely black voters, black male voters, and kamala harris has gained five points from where joe biden was.

she's pulling black men off the fence and pulling voters who weren't considering voting and are now voting for her. >> we'll keep an eye on any additional trends or movement with this group. trymaine lee, thank you for bringing us that conversation. in the next hour of coverage, california senator alex padilla on immigration as trump heads to the border. what does vp harris need to do to more deeply connect with latino voters? the power of the youth vote. we'll talk to the youngest dnc delegate who will turn 18 just days before the election. more from chicago after a short break. don't go anywhere. more from chi break. don't go anywhere. ♪ music ♪ ♪ unnecessary action hero! ♪

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