black guys talking to each other, i would not use that word, because that is beyond, i think that is beyond what is credible for me. you know, i am an old white guy. but i know the hate. and i know what it feels like. this little girl used to scrub her arm to get the color off, thinking that if she could get it off, her stepdad would love her. >> chris, thanks 1 million. >> you're welcome. >> thank you for this. what a great book. chris crutcher, author of a great book for the velshi banned book club called "whale talk". trip next day right where you are. the katie phang shall begins right now. and here is the week that was. >> george santos pleads guilty to felony fraud charges. >> i made the heart-wrenching decision to suspend my campaign and to support president trump.

>> dnc, turned down for what? >> are we ready to elect kamala harris and tim walz? >> together, let's all choose kamala harris! >> this convention has always been pretty good to kids with funny names who believe in a country where anything is possible. >> who's going to tell him that the job he is currently seeking might just be one of those black jobs? >> it's the honor of my life to accept your nomination for vice president of the united states. >> everybody over here say kamala! >> everybody overhears say law! >> together let's write the next great chapter in the most extraordinary story ever told.

it was a winning week for democrats as they wrapped up their high-energy, joy filled convention in chicago. memorable moments included the first delegate rollcall to feature littlejohn. gus waltz beautiful shout out that's my dad to his father. beautiful and powerful rhetoric from both obama's, and vice president kamala harris's historic acceptance of the democratic presidential nomination. the convention was a hit with viewers at home, as well. according to nielsen ratings the dnc was viewed by over 20 million people each night, with over 26 million on the last night alone, edging out the republican party's conventions final night last month by 820,000 viewers. the energy and enthusiasm certainly got to the twice impeach four time indicted,

convicted of 34 felonies, found liable for defamation and sexual abuse ex-president, who obsesses about ratings and crowd size. trump cannot help but rage post on truth social 59 times during kamala harris in acceptance speech. and there was a very tangible consequence of this democratic national convention. act blue reports almost $101 million was raised across its fundraising platform for democratic candidates and organizations during the convention. joining me now to get us started is democratic state representative justin jones, a member of the tennessee three. representative joan, it is always an honor to have you on the show. look, i was looking forward to hearing from you, as well as the other tennessee three. and i know that you guys were not able to actually speak at the convention because of timing. i want you to share with our viewers some kind of thoughts that you were going to say at the convention. >> yes, it is always an honor to join you, katie.

will continue to lift up the message that states like tennessee and the south, if we want to build a new nation we cannot neglect the south. every state is worth fighting for, and we saw last year when we were expelled for fighting for common sense gun laws to protect kids and not guns, what we saw was a real threat that product 2025 and its authoritarian behavior of republican extremists poses to this mission. so we are going to live out the message for the need to act with urgency and moral clarity and boldness to address the crisis of gun violence and also connecting it to democracy, because 70% of americans, democrat, republican, independents are calling for common sense gun laws, republicans are choosing the answer to the nra and gun industry. our message is the thing that every state is worth fighting in, when we are not going back, that means leaving to stay behind and seeding no territory to extremist. tennessee is not a red state, it is a voter suppressed state. if we invest in these republican led states, we can

change. tennessee has the lowest voter turnout in the nation. if we want to change the nation we have to look at the south. tennessee, georgia, north carolina, mississippi, alabama. the south is not going to rise again, but i believe it can rise anew. we can build a new south that is multigenerational, rigid and economic justice, women's rights, lgbtq rights, that is the south we are fighting for here in tennessee. >> and the crowd would've gone wild, as i am. that would've been amazing. i'm grateful that you took the time to share that with our viewers tuning in. it was your first convention, representative. for all of us were watching at home, tell us how it was to be a part of this historic moment all week. >> yeah, it was my first convention, and as i walked on the convention store, it was a sacred space. i was thinking about shirley chisholm, 1972. thinking about jesse jackson, 1988. all those who led to this moment. and if ely excitement, i saw clips of the republican convention and it was so sad to see how much less energy that was. having michelle obama, who lifted up this new call, when

they go low, we fight back. that is the new energy we fell from her speech, which was a highlight. and the vice president accepting this nomination, the first black woman, the first southeast asian woman, making history. and republican talk about banning black history, but they cannot ban black history when we are seeing black history being made every day on the original floor. it was a pep rally for democracy and the excitement was electric. it was also amazing to see so many young people, this is really what i want to lift up as the importance of young people, uplifting young voices, because that is what the future is about. that is the norstar of our party, continuing to censor young voices if we continue to transform this nation to what it ought to be and what it can be. >> i'm really glad that you brought that up, representative. because people like commerce woman jasmine crockett, congresswoman frost, you, and others. this is a sign, is it not, that the future of the makeready party is young, strong, and motivated to make sure the change is affected the keeps

all of us safe, healthy, and successful? >> definitely. young people are bringing energy that is so needed. we are not just fighting against trump in the election, we are fighting for what is the active, positive agenda we are going to offer and get to the next generation comes up after us? this was seeing the torch being passed. i was so excited to see my brother, maxwell, sister jasmine, lifting of our generation. lifting up voices from the south, texas, florida. we come from tennessee. it was beautiful to see. and republicans like to joke that we are the party of, and yes, we have awoke into their product 25 agenda, trying to bring us back to 1955, and we are saying absolutely not. we are not going back, we are going to fight with everything we have. because this nation is ours, and we are not going to cede to their extremism. we are on the right side of history, and when our children asked we can say we did the right thing on our watch to make sure this nation lives up to what we say on paper. and to create a multigenerational democracy in the face of what trump and his

extremism's are trying to offer to this nation. >> before i want to let you know, as someone who is watching it being covered all week, i saw myself there, literally. when you compare it to the rnc, you look at the faces. they were young and old, in between. they were asian, hispanic, black, white, native american. it was literally all of america reflected there. that is the message that is saying from the democratic party, is it not? that this is a big tent and we are welcoming everybody to join in. >> that is exactly it. i am getting goosebumps, because that is something emotional, to see that this is what america is. this is our nation. when we look at the two divisions, you have the rnc, which represents less diverse, afraid of diverse. and are dnc was beautiful in this beautiful, melting pot coalition of america. that is what makes this nation so beautiful, the people can come together who are multiracial, multigenerational, multifaith.

people from different social economics, coming together to say we want to fight to make this nation better because we want to future generations to know that when it came to our watch we did everything we could to make it so it was a nation worthy of giving to the next generation. i saw some young kids there. i met a young man, i think is 12, noah, who is there covering the convention. i was so excited to meet him. and he was speaking to all the folks there and talking about what he believes, and what his excitement is about being at this convention. so i think we must continue to lift up young voices, and i hope next convention we continue to see you more young voices centered and continue to see a message the diversity is not something to be afraid of to those extremes, but diversity is something to be celebrity. thank you so much. >> tennessee state representative justin jones, thank you for getting us started and for up lifting all of us this weekend. it's good to see you. and for more, joining me now, an all-star panel this

saturday. former republican congressman and political analyst david jolly. content creator and the founder of under the desk news, the spirit. and joining us next will be author of the chronicles of stack. i wanted to get started, at this convention, democrats reclaimed patriotism from the republicans. we heard so many chants of usa. you saw on that screen so many american flags flying. republican senator jeff duncan telling the crowd if you vote for, here is you are not voting is a democrat, but your voting is a patriot. and peggy noonan wrote something the kind of quick me a little bit. she said, quote, the democrats stole traditional republican themes of faith and patriotism and claim them as their own. she wrote that in a wall street journal opinion piece, but david simon clapped back and said those things are rations, peggy, they are available to all. if republicans look around for their share they will find them in the gutter, right where the republicans tossed them. david, talk about patriotism

being replaced. >> katie, remarkable. republicans of all and it did this using her patriotism kind of reflexively, the flag, they felt like they owned it. the faith community they thought was theirs. and what you saw in today's democratic party this week in the democratic convention is a different look and feel for the democratic coalition. and it is critically important. i think most important is to recognize the democratic party has not abandoned its true beliefs, is progressive pool, its true foundations. but they have embraced the coalition that has been there now for eight years alongside them. and i think that is what was so transformative this week in chicago, understand, and 2016 with the emergence of trump got there were a lot of different political verticals opposing donald trump, working alongside each other. either never trumper republicans, disaffected republicans, independence. the democratic party in 18, 20, and 22 did not necessarily embrace them. they did not really need them.

both sides were trying to figure out what does this new coalition look like? arguably joe biden was figuring out the soul of the nation coalition, that felt more like home for these disaffected republicans. but under kamala harris's leadership this week, both the vice president herself, as well is the democratic party embraced this new brand, this refreshed brand, that again, is built on its traditional foundations, but also now has invited in some of these people who say wait, i just saw in today's democratic party a party that committed to the peaceful transition of power. to strong moral leadership on the world stage. two coherent devasting policies in healthcare and education. recognizing equity and equality for all people. and i saw a caring, competent democratic leadership team that i trust. when we look at the republican party, it is this mishmash of leaders who don't know how to lead, and in the case of jd vance, can't even get out of a donut shop without deleting himself. the contrast now for the country is remarkable, and

incredibly for today's democrats. >> and talk about invitations. you are an incredible content creator. you are invited, a convention invited you and others for the very first time to attend. you are there. talk about what the energy was like actually there in chicago? >> so, the energy was obviously embeddable. i think that was palpable through the tv, and we were getting great feedback online for the way we were showing the convention. something i want to clarify is the convention invited 200 content creators, and i think there was a misunderstanding as to who the sportswear. some of the people who are credentialed were new york times best seller authors of the book democracy in retrograde. you had emily amick and sammy sage there. yet immigration lawyers like carlos eduardo espino. you had black female lawyers and civil rights activist like elizabeth booker. went live for 12 hours talking about kamala harris and democracy, and a four course there were family creators and celebrity cool kids who made me

these bracelets, that i will cherish. but it was a really incredible time, and i think gave a lot of credibility to social media as a distribution platform for things like education, learning, community building, and of course, delivering the message of harris walz. >> simon, welcome to the show. your latest sub stack, that you fittingly called the hopium chronicles, talks about this convention and the democratic party in general. it is giving the american people permission to love their country again, and to love their neighbors again. simon, does this kind of messaging actually work, do you think? >> i think it does. this was my ninth convention, and this was the best that i have ever been to. the energy, the passion, the speeches, the quality of the speeches. look, the democratic party is so strong right now. our ticket is powerful and delivering a strong message, we are raising more money than the other guys, we are unified, we

are going to be stronger on the ground. but the key is what you just said. i think we are tapping into these core foundational values that are so powerful. i agree with everything that dave said, that opportunity, freedom, love of country, patriotism, the sense that we should be a community again, not divided, but to bring everybody together. this was an incredible convention. this was the strongest narrative and story that the democratic party has told about itself and where it wants to take the country. i think in modern times. and i think we are entering this next phase of the election in a much stronger position than the republicans. >> you got a stick with me, we are going to have you back coming up next. but still to come on the katie phang show, prosecutor versus felon. at michigan attorney general dana nestle joins me to explain why vp harris's record as a prosecutor is critical to the job she will do as president. perverse, sorry not sorry, rfk junior's presidential bid has finally faded far enough

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we are back with our all- star panel. i want to go back to you. you got the chance to speak with georgia state representative for your show, under the desk news. as a muslim and a palestinian american she wanted to give a speech at the dnc but wasn't given the opportunity to do so. why was it so important for you to address this issue with her? >> so, we really wanted to see her on the main stage, and i think she had an excellent message. so, having her on the live stream was kind of the second best thing we could do, of course. and when she came upstairs she spoke so eloquently about the importance of registering to vote and voting for palestinian american rights. and the fact that we shouldn't

be using palestinian americans pain to try and cause culture wars or more division within the party, and that we needed account ability from what her future harris presidency would look like if the palestinian americans are going to give her the grace of separating her from biden's last 10 months of policy. i thought she was an incredible speaker. she is a wonderful human being. if you want to catch it, you can watch her speech live on under the desk news now on tiktok, we have reposted it for everyone to be able to see. >> and david, another thing we happened yesterday, we saw rfk junior announced suspending his campaign, endorsing donald trump, then he joined him on stage at a rally in arizona, which i think made jd vance very sad. but, how does rfk junior suspending his campaign and endorsing trump impact the upcoming trump harris? >> yeah, it is something we should not overlook. look, all along rfk junior was talking republican talking points, particularly with his antiscience, anti-vaccine,

conspiracy driven policies and ideas. that is republican talk. and so, i think generally we always expected him to, if he was going to draw many votes, he would draw them from the trump campaign. and we are also announcing some hijinks where they have admitted the entire game, saying look, they realize they might be helping harris, so now he is going to drop out. so we can't overlook what happened. the question is, is irrelevant at all to this conversation? and i'm not sure he is relevant to the political conversation going into november. but, are there some numbers that may be moved towards trump that would otherwise stick with rfk? maybe, and it is something we need to pay attention to. >> simon, you also attended the dnc, as we noted. there was a powerful moment where bill clinton talked about the jobs numbers. and he said that since the end of the cold war in 89, america has created 51 million new jobs, and then you also fax checked this and you concluded, as well as bill clinton, that under the democrats 50 million of them were created under a

democratic president. but you also noted it is one of the most important, least understood pieces of data in american politics today. why is that the case? >> well, it tells a very important story, and it is really a remarkable statistic, one that i have been promoting for years and i think the clinton people borrowed it for me, which i am happy to share with them. my old boss, bill clinton. here's the story. we have now, since 1989 when the new age of globalization began, there have been 52 million jobs created in america. 50 million have been created under democratic presidents, basically all of them. that is three republican presidents, three democratic presidents. in the story that it tells is that when we are in power, things get better for the people of the united states. when they are in power, they don't. and this is a critical story that i think we need to tell far more aggressively, that in my view, it is not about left

and right. there is one party that is been there for the american people, has produced growing economies, rising wages, lower deficits. made america better again and again and again. and another party that has continuously led us down, creating recessions, higher deficits, and american decline. this contrast between one successful party and one party that continues to fail and not do its part, i think, must be a much more powerful part of our understanding of what is happened in america, and the relative strength of the two parties. i applaud bill clinton for putting this thing on the table this week. >> david, before we had to go, i wanted to ask about something. we saw somebody like olivia troy, and adam can figure, jeff duncan, we have had voices like your own on this network and other networks. republicans. former republicans, current republicans, but people who say you can't vote for donald trump. how impactful do you think it is for other republicans to see people like adam and olivia and jeff get up and speak at a democratic national convention?

>> i do think it is very important, because republicans see a certain permission structure. but i would also think of all of those, republicans don't think to hear from us. we have now been disloyal. i'm not sure even our voices are the best ones for soft republicans to hear from. the game changing voices soft republicans heard from this week were from vice president harris and tim walz and leading democrats, who said you are not welcome in this coalition. and they reflected a value set, as simon said, it is not a left right ideological question, it is an up down value set question. and if you look at the leadership of harris, walz, and other democrats compared to republicans, those soft republicans appreciated hearing from adam, olivia, and others, but they really appreciated hearing from vice president harris. >> i have to agree with that. thank you all for being here, i

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that some families should have you her rights than other families. by the way, i got a message for the republicans and the justices of the united states supreme court. you can pry this wedding band from my cold, dead , gay , hand. fiery words from what some are considering one of the major moments from today's d&c. the speech marked a trend of democrats embracing kamala harris in background as a prosecutor, with the new york times reporting, quote, according to her aides, ms. harris felt torn about what was appeared to be her strength, her prosecutorial record. now, without worries about winning over the liberal basin across mary. her campaign is leading into that background against a candidate with a felony record. joining me now is michigan attorney general dana nessle. your speech address the very

real dangers a second trump presidency and the current super conservative majority on scotus opposed to same-sex marriage. >> yeah, there is no question about it. we have a very different court now than we had when marriage equality became the law of the land in 2015. we have lost three judges who ruled in the majority on that case. one of them, anthony kennedy, of course, offered that opinion. and i think we can't possibly overstate the importance of having kamala harris be the one who gets to nominate supreme court justices who actually care about protecting people's freedoms, protecting their fundamental rights, who understands and supports due process and equal protection under the law. >> i want to play another quick clip of your dnc speech. take a quick listen. >> we know when she takes an oath to preserand

defend the constitution she has actually read it. we know that she will appoint supreme court justices who will protect our freedoms. and let me tell you, kamala knows, you go from the courthouse to the white house, not the other way around. >> you added on social media, lady prosecutors get it done. as a former lady prosecutor, i cosign that. but, why is kamala harris's prosecutorial record such an asset for her campaign, and also as the president of the united states? >> well, first of all, her experiences as not just district attorney, but also as attorney general, i mean, she spent her career protecting the rights of all kinds of groups of people. seniors, workers, and students,

and minority communities, and the environment. this is what this woman has done for the entirety of her career. and, let me mention this. i don't think it is talked about nearly enough. 20 years kamala harris has been in public service, right? as a district attorney, as an attorney general, as a senator, as vice president. she is scandal free. at this is a woman of great character, who just puts her head down, studies the issues, does her homework, and does her job. and you contrast that with donald trump, who is routinely engaged in so many scandals that he has to sometimes tweet things out to create a new scandal, just to distract the public from his scandal that he is currently involved in. and, i mean, it is such chaos. why would we want to go back to that?

but the other thing i want to point out people is this. you talk about the stark contrast between these two individuals. they both know their way around the courtroom. only, for kamala harris, she served as a prosecutor representing the people. and of course, with donald trump, every time he is in a courtroom it is as a defendant, it either because he is being sued for trespassing against people's rights in some way or another, or because he has committed crimes. i mean, that is a stark difference. you have, on one hand, kamala harris who obviously has tried cases before judges and juries and is used to preparing witnesses for cases, with donald trump he spends his time threatening judges and juries and witnesses on his cases. i mean, you can't have people who are more different and who have vastly different experiences. it is just absolutely shocking to me that we even have to have this as a debate. you have somebody who spent her

whole career supporting and enforcing and defending the law, whereas donald trump has spent his entire career violating the law. >> you know, it occurred to me when i was thinking about speaking with you that you are still in the process as the michigan attorney general of prosecuting fake electors that tried to subvert michigan's 2020 election results. how worried are you about donald trump and his allies trying to repeat what they attempted to do four years ago? >> i think it is probably his number one strategy, honestly. i really don't see him making an effort to try to convert undecided voters. more than that, what i see is these efforts that are already in place here on the ground in michigan to try to subvert the election. through illegal means. and, to really try to enlist as many republicans on the ground as possible, whether those are poll workers, whether those are

local clerks, whether those are party activists. i think that what we saw in 2020 , you know, it is going to pale in comparison to what we are likely going to see in 2024. and again, it is not my job to decide winners or losers. it is my job to defend the will of the people, whatever that might be. but i can tell you this. if the will of the people in michigan is that they support kamala harris as our next president of the united states, you know, it is going to be tough. i don't think anybody should underestimate how hard we are going to have to fight to defend people's votes against an effort by the trump campaign to subvert democracy here in michigan had likely and states all across the nation. >> well, we've got you at the helm in michigan as the attorney general, and i am glad that you brought up, as you and i say goodbye, the idea that, let harris has a 20 year plus

record of public service. she said in her speech on thursday night she has had one client, you and i as lawyers, we know clients. she has had one client her entire life, and that is been the people. attorney general of michigan, dana nessle, thank you so much for being here. i really appreciate it . >> thanks for having me. >> we will be right back. tells he doesn't get the second footlong. wait, seriously? i got you next time, buddy! order now in the subway app. progressive makes it easy to save with a quick commercial auto quote online. so you can get back to your monster to-do list. -really? -get a quote at progresivecommercial.com. gum problems could be the start of a domino effect parodontax active gum repair breath freshener clinically proven to help reverse the 4 signs of early gum disease a toothpaste from parodontax, the gum experts.

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today the nearly 3 million women of alabama are waiting a huge decision from a federal judge. at issue, whether healthcare providers and abortion advocates can be criminally prosecuted for helping pregnant women get an abortion elsewhere. ever since the fall of roe v wade, alabama has become one of the most restrictive states in the country when it comes to abortion access. alabama does not recognize exceptions, even for rape or incest. now, this man that you

see on your screen, republican attorney general steve marshall, he wants to expand his handmaid's tale ideas beyond his state orders, suggesting that he would use the states conspiracy law to prosecute those who, quote, aid and abet an abortion. marshall was quickly sued by a number of advocates groups to stop him from following through on his threats. joining me now is dennis felton, executive director of yellow hammer fund, one of the groups that sued the alabama attorney general over his threats. thanks so much for joining us today. first, can you explain to our viewers, what is the yellow hammer fund, and why your helper organization that suit? >> first of all, thanks so much for having me and having these conversations about what is happening in alabama. i actually don't think it's getting enough coverage. our fund started off as an abortion fund to help folks seeking later term abortions out-of-state because we already had the decision the a doctor's

decision was necessary to have a lot of assistance in that way. we quickly grew to a fund that does all the things we support. we were doing abortion funding for earlier abortions, as well, but still, again, getting people out of state because of the restrictions, like the 48 hour hold after you get an appointment and having to wait, or coming back twice. so we are already navigating a lot of those restrictions before the decision. so now, as we exist, we actually finally have the moment because of the attorney general threats. luckily the project quickly asked us if we wanted to sue for that, and that is something that we have been in the middle of for about a year now. >> so, you stated, quote, even though i believe that providing support to pregnant alabamians traveling to other states for abortion care is a constitutionally protected activity, i am fearful of

criminal prosecution against me, my staff, and my volunteers. i mean, there is a huge, profound, chilling effect on your organization and others. talk about what this fear of prosecution would do to impact the care that is provided to women in alabama, because before dobbs, it was already one in five women in alabama had to travel across state lines for care due to the barriers that exist in your state. >> right, so i think one of the things with the dobbs decision that we expected to have to do a lot more work to get people out of state. we expected to cost more, we expected and have to create more avenues to get people out of state, more partnerships, more collaboration. and then it was very disheartening to have someone assert that we would use criminal conspiracy law for such, because this is healthcare. we should not have to leave the state for healthcare. but we certainly shouldn't be navigating the threat of criminal conspiracy for something the state is an offering at the moment. what happened almost immediately is that our advice from our legal was just hey, don't say anything, don't do anything, don't talk to anyone, don't advise. and we were like

that is not going to keep anyone safe. that is a scary thing to navigate. and i think the way the law is written is really vague. so it is really hard to gauge what is possible to do and what we are able to do under these circumstances. what it also did was isolate people, because there's a lot of ways in which the people that we serve also don't want us to be criminalized, right? so there is that bit of oh, i don't want my parents or my friends or this helper organization to risk imprisonment trying to get me care. and there is the level of shame and that becomes to be embedded again all over, despite all the work that we've been doing to mitigate that. >> you know, jenny's, it is not just you having to worry about battling your own states attorney general. we have seen project 2025 actually note within its playbook that the department of health and human services would be authorized to cut funds for reproductive freedom, to ensure that every state reports

exactly how many abortions take place within its borders, at what gestational age of the child, for what reason. the mother's state of residence, and by what method. we heard kamala harris on thursday during her acceptance speech talk about the fact that trump plans to create a national antiabortion coordinator and to force states to report on these things. i mean, your concerns have to transcend even criminal prosecution. this is just one of many battles that yellow hammer fund has ahead of it. >> i think what is really unfortunate but true, and the worst of ways, is the this organizing against peoples reproductive economy has been very strategic, it has been very much a long game. none of it has been quick or new. it has been very much coordinated. and i think what we have to do as people who need to fight that back is become equally coordinated with it, and collaborative. i think we need to do also is just a firm that they are

outnumbered. abortion is a popular issue. we have discovered this with all type of statistics and data. and we need to affirm that in a way that we organize against it and the way that we plan against it. because it is not something that the majority of americans want to see. and it is like how do we effectively say, actually, this doesn't work for us. and then we have these conversations about legislation and policy that is so critical to engage with, we also have to say there is an amount of inherent power in community deciding that something doesn't work for us. historically, organizing against things has been fruitful. so, how do we assert that we actually go for things that we need to fight back lexi >> you know, i want to thank you for joining us today, because we are going to be following the decision that comes from the court.

the good news is, the attorney general tried to dismiss your lawsuit, that was denied. and it looks like the federal judge is going to rule in your favor. but we are going to follow it very closely and we will definitely have you back to see what's going on. but thanks for being here today, i appreciate it. >> thanks so much. coming up, worst-case scenario, did you ever wonder what would happen if a pilot flying a plane 35,000 feet in the sky suddenly went into cardiac arrest and crashed the plane into a nuclear power plant? we have best selling author tj newman here onset to discuss her terrifying new thriller, don't go anywhere. you're not going to want to miss this interview. when migraine strikes, you're faced with a choice.

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a new pulse pounding thriller imagines quite literally the worst case scenario. a commercial airline pilot suffers a heart attack 35,000 feet in the air, and to make matters worse, the flight then descends upon a nuclear power plant in a small town in minnesota. now, this book details how the catastrophic event test the courage and the determination of local community members. i'm hooked, are you? joining me now is best selling author of worst-case scenario, tj newman. tj, i was saying during the break, how serendipitous that we get to have you here in miami. i know you are part of a book tour. talk about this book. there was so much research that went into the plot of the story line. >> absolutely, one side decided what the plot would be, commercial airline crashes in a

nuclear power plant. i started researching, wondering if this is possible. we know that these are horrible targets, we know that they have horrified the structures as well as a need to be, at least that is what i assume. and i started doing the research and the research terrified me. the premise of this book is completely plausible. they are nuclear power plants all across the country. how do you stop a plane from crashing into them? and the cascading effect of what could happen if you have a contamination that not only is in the air, it is in the water, is in the soil. the title of the book, worst- case scenario, it is appropriately named. it genuinely is a worst-case scenario that could genuinely come to pass. >> so, we are a spoiler free zone here. i don't have to go and get the book and read it so they can find out what happens. but i will say this without giving away anything. i read and i love reading that you have wept over the character development of some of the characters in not only

this book and her other books. that is a huge emotional investment for you. not just the time you're putting into this, it is an emotional investment into the characters. >> absolutely. this book was my most difficult to write emotionally. i think when you are dealing with concepts as big as what this book deals with you are going be facing, you know, sacrifice and family and community. and while this book is terrifying, at its heart, it is a big, blockbuster summer thriller about family, about community, about sacrificing what we do to protect the ones we love when the worst-case scenario comes to pass. >> i also love reading about the fact that you, like me, have not had a traditional route when it comes to your professional kind of career. he started off trying your hand at broadway after graduating as a musical theater major, and you went back to arizona and worked in a bookstore, then you became a flight attendant and you wrote famously, kind of like the plot of your first blockbuster book on cocktail napkins while passengers were

asleep. while you are working as a flight attendant. talk about how that all has kind of converged into this point in time when your life when you are writing the stories? >> absolutely. my first book came out in 2021, and it was easy at that point to call it an overnight success. it debuted at number two in the new york times best-selling list. and i always tell people you, it was an overnight success. it took decades to get there. it was a winding road to get to this point, but it is so funny to look now and go everything one of those stops along the way plays and what i'm doing now. i use the theater degree, i use the experience on the plane, i use my experience and selling books to shape this career that i am in now. it is funny how things work out the way they should. >> and i'm really excited for you. because for those of you that may be just don't want to read because i love reading it, but i also like experiencing it, as well. you're working on adaptation of your first book, right? for hollywood. and your second book is also being adapted for his film.

>> that is true, my first book is with universal pictures, my second book is with warner bros. i'm doing the adaptation for falling, which is an incredible privilege, most authors don't get to adapt their own work. >> is that hard to do, though? as the author of the book, trying to adapted to film? >> it has been a massive education. i thought i knew every way to tell that story. it took me years to write and nearly 40 drafts to get right. so now taking a 300 page book and compressing it into a 100 page script without losing anything has been a massive education. it has really changed me as a novelist. it change the way that i wrote this book, because i just have this new focus on story that i never had before, because you just don't have the luxury of pages in a script that you have in a novel. >> well, i am grateful for you to take the time to join us today. tj newman. the book is worst-case scenario. i am hugely invested. i know that my viewers and others that are tuning and are also going to be going to get the book. thank you so much for being here today, i really appreciate it. >> thanks, tj.

and thanks always to those of you joining us today. you can catch me back here this saturday at noon eastern, but don't go anywhere. nbc reports with alex witt is coming up next. (kevin) now our businesses get fast and reliable internet from the same network that powers our phones. (aaron) so whatever's next... we're cooking with fire. (vo) switch to the partner businesses rely on.

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