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>> good morning. this sunday, august the 25th. me again with more breaking news of the middle east. overnight, israel launched a large series of airstrikes against has below using about 100 -- in southern lebanon, according to the idf. israel says the strikes were preemptive and targeted hezbollah rockets and canisters that were supposedly aiming towards israel and prepared to fire. at least three people were killed by the strikes in lebanon. now shortly thereafter, hezbollah fired more than -- towards israel in what appears to be the largest hezbollah strike on israel since october

the seventh. according to hezbollah officials, they claim to have hit 11 military targets. -- leader in beirut in july and rejected israel's claim that it was preparing to fire first. soon after that, hezbollah announced that its operations were successful and complete israel, too, implied that it was done. tensions have slowly been is going to between israel and has below for months with -- hezbollah for months. a full-fledged regional war. at the same time, ongoing cease- fire and hostage talks continue in cairo regarding the war in gaza. the cia director, bill burns, another american officials are part is baiting, and an israeli official tells nbc -- hezbollah hamas is not directly taking part in the talks, but a senior hamas official tells nbc news

that a delegation will be in egypt. joining me now from tel aviv is nbc news international correspondent matt bradley. let's just start with the things going on between israel and has blood. -- hezbollah. hezbollah is not hamas. they have a much more sophisticated arsenal, a much better trained troops. they did something today that does not look like it was designed to be the big band that everyone was expecting. >> that's right. everyone was worried this would be sort of the trigger that would break out in international or regionwide war. that this with the sets the entire middle east ablaze. that is not what happened because we didn't see retaliation from iran. we didn't see any civilian casualties. we heard there were two hezbollah fires spiders that were killed. and the idf says there was one israeli soldier killed in this

exchange with that's not the kind of thing that would start a regionwide war and what we are talking about here, the pattern of the fighting that we saw just earlier this morning is not appreciably different or not qualitatively different from what we have been seeing for the past 10 months. quantitatively, the number was much higher, but hezbollah says they used about 320 rockets and they were firing drones and then of course, the is really -- hundred fighter jets. the huge number. but we are still talking about -- of what we have been seeing over the past 10 months. this fighting was confined mostly to northern israel and southern lebanon and we haven't seen a huge loss of life among civilians. we did see what look like targeting of civilian targets on either side. so this is a situation that looks like it still contained, even though it's horrifically

violent. it's not the kind of thing that necessarily going to break out into something that could bring in iran but, as you said, it still brings a really big risk and it's unclear whether or not iran or hezbollah and hezbollah is backed by iran like hamas, where they were deliberately calculating to try to make this kind of a face-saving climbdown. this is a retaliation for the israeli assassination of a top hezbollah officials last month in beirut. as hezbollah was obliged to make this kind of attack against israel in order to appease their followers in order to show their deterrence, but at the same time, we have heard from hezbollah , i've heard from hezbollah repeatedly over the last year that they are not interested in sparking a war over the border and never the same thing from these officials in israel so it looks like they may have averted that and it may have been calculated to do just that. >> matt, it's important to understand that these negotiations are going on in cairo. they are an extension of that deal was announced at the end of may by joe biden that we

sort of thought had brought an agreement. we are still working on this. there was some -- by hezbollah or the who the -- who sees would be really stocks. for the moment, that the has not happened. the talks are going ahead in cairo as we speak. >> reporter: that's right. the israelis have said just today they have sent their own delegation to try to get a deal going even though hamas is not necessarily participate in but it's like you said. some of the real risk is coming from the iranians. they vowed to retaliate but the indication that we've seen so far is that i ran is waiting to see how these negotiations and that before the -- that, for an assassination that they blame on the -- they have neither confirmed nor denied that as a hamas leader in turnaround, last month. let's cut to the other shoe that has yet to drop in this situation and it could be an incendiary element, one that,

as i said, bring this whole region to the brink of a war that would involve the entire middle east. >> thank you very much for your reporting on this. will stay close to you. matt bradley for us in tel aviv. turning out to politics, it's been a relatively quiet weekend on the campaign trail as kamala harris and donald sp which is now 72 days away. the past six weeks in american politics has been a whirlwind. neither candidate has any public events scheduled between now and wednesday. on wednesday, harris and tim walz will reunite for a bus tour through georgia. trump heads to michigan and wisconsin on thursday. both campaigns are taking a brief pause ahead of the next phase of the race. the first debate between harris and trump is happening in just 16 days and is going to shift the focus of both candidates agendas and policy priorities. last week's dnc offered a

preview of the issues that are likely to be essential to harris' campaign and how she intends to position herself against trump. her middle-class upbringing. she bowed the building up the middle class is going to be, quote, a defining goal of her presidency. at the convention, she received peers endorsements from a number of top labor unions, including the president of the united auto workers union called trump a scab during his speech at the dnc. the uaw recently filed -- and the billionaire entrepreneur elon musk after the former president suggested during an interview with musk that striking workers should be fired. that is kind of illegal. his auntie unions -- of this, project 2025, which is a radical blueprint for the next republican presidential administration. this was drafted by with the involvement of a lot of people who used to work in the trump administration. -- and anti-discouragement practices. that is what trump and his allies have -- could not be

more different. of the policies harris has ruled out so far, her plans to tackle the country housing crisis is the most fleshed out. she has called for the -- over the next four years, which she intends to achieve by offering tax incentives for homebuilders. -- better housing. she plans to help first-time homeowners purchasing homes by offering up to -- she also supports legislation that would prevent investors from buying up large numbers of rental properties and to stop corporate landlords from colluding to raise rental prices. her economic agenda also includes plans to restore and expand the child tax credit in order to provide some much- needed relief for families. she seeks to do the same thing with the earned income tax credit, to help individuals and couples with lower income jobs who don't have kids all of that is in stark contrast to his signature first term tax cuts, which help the wealthy more than they helped anyone else.

harris' economic plan also includes an effort to relieve americans of the high cost of healthcare. she seeks to build on some of the biden ministrations achievements, including capping the cost of insulin at $35, not just for seniors on medicare, but for everyone. she said she will allow medicare to accelerate the schedule with which it can negotiate drug prices in order to build down the cost of more prescription drugs sooner. harris also vows to work with state to help millions of americans cancel their medical debt, which can lead some people to bankruptcy sibley because they had the misfortune of getting sick. this is a far cry from the health-related policy priorities of project 2025, which is much more interested in restricting access to medication abortion, stripping the centers for disease control of their power to offer the public warnings and guidance on health related matters. project 2025 can also lead to millions of americans losing their healthcare coverage altogether.

the heritage foundation's radical manifesto includes a proposal to impose a lifetime cap on medicaid benefits, which, by one estimate, could result in 18 1/2 1 million americans losing coverage. so let's unpack here. joining me now is kathleen -- the former secretary of health and human services. the former democratic governor of kansas. good to see you. thank you for being with us. >> nice to see you, ali . i'll bring it all up with a lot of people, -- but heritage foundation seems very compelled to change the name of the department to the department of life, which sounds good innocuous except it's all sort of centered around reproductive rights and taking them away from women. that is a central aspect. we don't bring it up because it's not in the health care portion of this book, but that essential to project 2025. >> i think you could look at project 2025's goals as going after the health of women. not just in the reproductive health

area, which you have mentioned and shifting the whole focus of hhs it actually, medicaid is a predominantly women's program and restricting medicaid benefits would affect millions of women. the affordable care act repeal, which project 2025 advocates would affect 21 million people who signed up this year. the majority of whom are women. so we are not just talking that reproductive health, which -- this is an effort and as a set, if they drop the playbook, you can believe they are going to use it. donald trump has been after the affordable air -- carac since he was elected president the first time. it affects every state in the country. it affects the 40 states who have expanded medicaid coverage. it affects 21 million people and would devastate the healthcare system in the united states. >> this stick on abortion for a second. project 2025 has very specific things, including the fact that half of all abortions in this

country are now medication abortions. on nbc's meet the press just a moment ago, kristen welker interviewed j.d. vance and she asked him about his stance on a national abortion ban. let's listen to what he said. >> can you commit, senator, sitting right here with me today that if you and donald trump are elected, that you will not impose a federal ban on abortion. >> i can absolutely -- he's been clear about that as possible. >> if you're not supporting it is the president of the united states -- >> so you would be tell a federal abortion ban. >> he said that explicitly that he would. >> governor, j.d. vance talks to donald trump much more than we do so maybe he knows things we don't. donald trump is waffled on this and off aloft -- often. he talks about giving it back to the states and when compared to when you combine that with the language in here that will bring back the comstock act to prevent the mailing not just of

mifepristone but also contraceptives. you're going to have a de facto situation where women in michigan, in california, in massachusetts, and new york, they are going to have difficulty getting reproductive healthcare under project 2025, with or without a national abortion ban. >> i think that's right. for small, you go after the abortion drugs, mifepristone, which has not only been wildly effective, it's incredibly safe, it's easy to use, it's been on the market for decades and start with that, with the comstock act, where you couldn't mail, you couldn't have prescribers from out-of- state making it available to people in abortion ban states and then you expand that to have an abortion watch. i think they have sort of an antiabortion that they would appoint, according to project

2025, tracking women. >> mandatorily the states to report, who's having miscarriages, was having abortions. i mean keeping really this dark list of, i don't know, it's a step towards criminal innovation. it's a step towards going after providers so they may not be able to get an abortion ban through congress, but there's a whole lot of banning that can happen through executive order, through use of the comstock act, through characterizing -- terrorizing providers that will really shut down abortion rights no matter where you live. >> what is the, look, all through this document it's infused with ideas that generally speaking they want to weaken government agencies, except in the cases where they want to strengthen them to advance a particular agenda.

so, only security will not be about homeland security anymore. it will be an immigration enforcement agency. health and human services will not be health and human services in the broader sense that we think about it. it will be in abortion ban enforcement agency this talk about the department of life, project 2025 is infused with religious overtones. this is one of them. where it seeps in. there are reasons why we give these agencies brought names because health and human services does a lot of stuff. >> it does, ali. it's responsible for you know, the fda. they aging and disability department. children and families. major insurance programs, medicare, medicaid, marketplaces. really broad list of 12 operating agencies and it affects every american from birth to death but i would make it really clear. these folks are really not interested in life. they are interested in forced birth. they are interested in

controlling a woman's ability to make her own choices about when to have a family. how to live productive life. how she and her partner and her pastor can make determinations about her own health. it's a mandatory birthright that they are interested in. they really don't care a lot about what happens once that child is born. they are not interested in expanding families ability to stay home with an infant for paid parental leave. they are not interested in what happens to the life of the mother when a woman who is not healthy conceived a child. this is all about forced birth and that is a terrifying place to be. >> while that may sound like rhetoric, there are references in here to controlling contraceptives and we have seen what republicans when left to their own devices will do with ivf. there is no other way took salinas than how you said it.

those things are actually enumerated. governor, good to see. kathleen is the former secretary of health and human services under president obama and former democratic governor of kansas. coming back, we will pull back the curtain on the heritage foundation, the group that wrote this. this election cycle is not the first time heritage has tried to push its super conservative agenda. plus, the rnc and the dnc showcase vastly different visions on everything from the economy to immigration to healthcare. even to masculinity. i will explain ahead and i say it every single show, abortion is healthcare. nbc's priscilla thompson sat down for an exclusive interview with for the women suing the state of texas after being denied healthcare and now they are taking their experience to the courts and to the ballot box. watching velshi on msnbc . . with fresh food pre-portioned for your dog's needs. it's an idea whose time has come. (♪♪) (♪♪)

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the right to abortion access, placing one of his top issues in the hands of voters. texas is not one of those states. it's become a battleground for reproductive rights, however. nbc's priscilla thompson are sitting -- vital care and learn how they plan to take their experiences to the courts and to the ballot box. >> reporter: as the race for the white house heats up, so does the battle over abortion access. >> he plans to create a national antiabortion coordinator. simply put, they are out of their minds. >> reporter: j.d. vance telling our kristen welker one measure is off the table. >> so he would veto a federal abortion ban. >> i think he would. he said that explicitly that he would. >> reporter: but abortion rights are on the ballot in 10

states this november. the average americans now sharing their stories of heartbreaking loss. >> when i got pregnant, doctors told us our baby would never survive. >> for three days, we waited until amanda was sick enough to receive standard abortion care. >> reporter: these four women are among the more than dozen suing texas over six week abortion ban after they had to wait until their lives were in danger to receive care for nonviable pregnancies. do you feel like the energy has shifted with kamala harris at the top of the democratic ticket? and, if so -- >> yes. >> she spoke so eloquently about reductive freedom. >> it makes me want to work harder because she is. >> reporter: these women now -- for representative -- as he looks to unseat republican senator ted cruz. >> the women before us fought for roe v. wade and, you know, i look at my daughter and my son and we owe it to you to make that change.

>> reporter: priscilla thompson, nbc news dallas. up next, we are going to dive into the history of the heritage foundation, the group that's responsible for project 2025, and why learning about the initial goals help us better understand what's in store if donald trump is elected in november. ember.

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...while the flexdisc contours to it. so the five blades can get virtually every hair in one stroke. for the ultimate gillette shaving experience. the best a man can get is gillettelabs. i want to take you all the way back to 1980. ronald reagan had just won the presidency. a young political research group and think tank called the heritage foundation independently published a plan. the intent of that plan was to push the incoming republican and based in frustration further to the right and introduce a more conservative ideology to the white house. the plan was called mandate for leadership. it was a behemoth. 20 volumes, 3000 pages, literally thousands of ideas laid out for the reagan administration to adopt. those 3000 pages were later distilled down to a simple 1000

pages. eventually, it was published as a book. reagan ended up asking the heritage foundation to give a copy to every member of congress and soon enough, it became a best seller nationwide. the washington post wrote this about the mandate for leadership in 1980, quote, the heritage foundation, a conservative washington research group today proposed an action plan for swinging the government to the right as fast as possible. it is clearly a hope chest of the mainstream right-wing, predictably coming down hardest on environmentalist and on minority programs, restrictions on the military, the intelligence communities, and free enterprise. that was written nearly 44 years ago. the heritage foundation estimates that within a year of handing over its very first mandate for leadership in 1980, the reagan administration had implemented xd percent of their 2000+ proposals. over the next 40 years, the heritage foundation will put out an updated version of that

mandate ever so often. they each had a market impact -- that the heritage foundation has long had significant sway over the party. for decades, it was the only outside group that had access to weekly meetings of the republican study committee, which is one of the most conservative caucuses that house republicans have. okay, fast-forward today. we are up to the ninth iteration of this -- what you're looking at right now is the original mandate for leadership. this one is more commonly known as project 2025 while this addition, of course, is further into the right than any version that came before it, the evolution also highlights the heritage foundation's long game strategy.

it's been pursuing many of the same goals for decades. members of the conservative think tank have openly talked about the long-term plans of their movement, making it clear that they are still thinking three or four presidential elections down the line. it is, in part, a training program. one which the head of the heritage foundation promised will develop, quote, experts at killing the bureaucracy,". they've written policy -- it's back the candidates it likes, it pushes the topic for the supreme court. all three of the supreme court justices nominated by donald trump were, in fact, backed by the heritage foundation to varying degrees. it's provided brief for every major legal case over the -- like the repeal of affirmative action, the dobbs decision that overturned roe v. wade. -- which overturn the chevron deference, which kneecap the powers of the administrative agencies. numerous major cases involving religious liberties, gun ownership and access, environmental policies, challenges to the affordable care act. challenges to lgbtq rights.

the list is long and while the heritage foundation his clearly found a very willing figurehead and donald trump, does not depend on him. the heritage foundation obviously has high hopes for a potential second-round turn, but the architects of drug -- project 2025 are clear that their vision is not just about this next election. project 2025 doesn't die with trump. it will live on. join me now is rick pearlstein, a historian who has chronicled modern america conservatism. he is the author of multiple books, including the new york times best seller reagan land, america's right term, 1976 to 1980. rick, great to have you here with us. >> it's a pleasure, ali. >> before the heritage foundation even came to be , it's the founders were staffers on capitol hill. long story short, they saw that the biggest conservative think tank of the time had withheld some research and policy proposals until after a congressional vote because they didn't want to influence the vote.

one of the founders wrote in the official heritage institutional history that it was at that moment that paul, a cofounder and i, decided that conservatives needed an independent research institute designed to influence the political debate as it was appearing in congress before decisions were made. so, that is exactly what they do. they are getting out there with their ideas and selling them ahead of time and letting politicians use them as their platform. >> yes. the history has three steps. a pre-existing think tanks like the -- institution would do these kind of careful peer reviewed studies that were completely ideologically neutral about what the best solution was like say, how much mercury can be in water before it started raining fish. in this group, the american enterprise institute came along and they said, wow, if we say that the technocratic neutral solution is a left-wing solution, and we do a careful study proposing a right-wing solution and and send it off the congress, then suddenly, we have moved the center to the right because we can choose the

left-wing solution or the right- wing solution. but the left-wing solution is just a neutral scientific solution and then the heritage foundation came along. this was in 1973, 1974 and they said let's do away with the peer review. let's just basically create propaganda. make it look like scholarship. creates study like objects to kind of persuade people in congress and the media quite effectively that this is also kind of a neutral study. just for the conservative via and how effective it is is really shown by the 1980 washington post article that you quoted where they said this is the mainstream conservative laundry list. when it was really quite radical extraordinarily extreme group. one of the first things they did, if i may, in 1974, there was kind of a battle over textbooks in west virginia. the school district there was a signing greek myths, for example, to the students to compare to christian myths and people got so mad about this that a right-wing fundamentalist blew up the school board building with dynamite. and one of the first

things the heritage foundation did was send a lawyer down to defend the terrorist you know, by 1980, they were seen as mainstream and they're kind of informing the reagan administration. >> something you said is really interesting. it's disguised as scholarship. one of the reasons why we do something on project 2025 on every single show since this has been published is because it's horrible scholarship. it's not scholarship, it's hard to read, it's -- your brain is not better for having read it. and i say that because, i would be happy to read lots of good conservative scholarship. but that is an interesting point. this is a laundry list. it's a bunch of things shrouded in a whole bunch of political language that is just meant to be used by people who need it to get elected. >> right. the right-wing tax advocate who makes every republican legislative pledge to raise taxes. he said all we need in a president, meeting us on elective conservatives is

someone who has a functioning right arm to sign the legislation we sent him. in many ways, that's what the heritage foundation is doing. it's kind of like what the right describes as the deep state. this kind of group of people, unelected who just exist from administration to administration. i think a rip van winkle in the heritage foundation fell sleep in 1980 and woke up in 2024 could just show up for work on monday. he would just need a glossary. they woke instead of social engineering. they are going to be doing it in 20, 40 years now and all they are trying to do is create this turnkey operation that was awarded and a lot of the reason it got 60% through was because the republican party a lot of pluralism you know, ronald reagan chief of staff and the people around him. but those moderates are gone and, you know, in a lot of ways, donald trump is that strong right arm. he wants to please the conservative movement and we saw with his judicial appointees that he was

perfectly willing to pass on with a right-wing activist world, elected by no one, told him to do. >> and trying to set this up, with that introduction i did, our producer and i were talking about this. this idea that in 1980, they want the white house to go back to more conservative roots and i was like what we back to? you of course have reagan -- you have written about barry goldwater, the fact is the folks at the heritage foundation thought that nixon was not at all sufficiently conservative. for their purposes. these folks were not part of the mainstream. it's worth understanding that this is not a mainstream conservative agenda in america but that's not what american conservativism was. not that they would've ever recognized. well, i think that in a lot of ways, conservativism is a ratchet. it keeps on moving in only one direction, i can't really go backwards because every time conservatism fails, the

solution is always more conservativism. you know, there must be a conspiracy, the deep state to sell us out. i must have been quislings, it must've been the left-wing wreckers. there's no way that conservatism can go back to a milder thing because -- >> they painted that as we borrow some. you know, there's nowhere to go because you vilify the middle. >> you see a lot of the stuff 100 years ago. in the 1920s, you could see that same kind of language that happened. non-ideological civil servants. that was a danger. that was a danger to corporations, right? a lot of these ideas go way, way back and what they trying to as they turn back the clock to a time before we had reasonable regulation in the public interest and they want to go back to the robber baron

days. >> that's very clear from reading this very difficult read. rick, great to see. great conversation. rick perlstein, an important historian whose focus is on modern american conservatism. he is a best selling author of multiple books , including reagan land. more velshi in a moment. we will be right back. ight bac.

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i suppose different political party should be about different visions, but with both major political conventions, really have been shown competing visions, competing visions on the economy, competing visions on immigration. even masculinity. -- it's a nebulous concept, it was on full display at their convention from ultimate fighting championship ceo dana white raving about donald trump's toughness.

>> i'm in the tough guy business and this man is the toughest, most resilient human being that i've ever met in my life. >> and then there was trump entering the arena as the song it's a man's man's man's world by james brown played throughout the arena. so the most manly thing of all, a mid speech wardrobe change. >> what happened last week, when they took a shot at my hero? and they tried to kill the next president of the united states? enough was enough. and i said let -- run wild, brother. >> run wild, brother. on the other side, democrats are bidding on a different kind masculinity. something fettered around

their historic female nominee. while others did not once did vice president harris mentioned the historic nature of her presidency. and any influence i would have, but the men surrounding her, her husband, and her running mate, they take note issue with playing second fiddle. his video introduction -- law practice of 30 years to support the vice president after the 2020 election. walz was telling his own store, bounces his gun toting -- all- american manliness with a more tender side. he spoke honorably about the numerous fertility treatments it took for he and his wife, gwen, to have their first child, and how they named her hoe because of that. a raw display of love that is sometimes uncommon at the highest level of politics. that is his son, gus, in tears, shouting that is my dad. -- recognizing that perhaps he pales in comparison to the woman in his life.

>> i am feeling ready to go. even if, even if i am the only person stupid enough to speak after michelle obama. >> but well-being much less macho, they offered a naked manifestation of -- in recent years been co-opted by the right wing. chance of usa -- credited their face as guiding principles. military veterans turned leaders like marilyn governor westmore. illinois -- in their speeches. after the break. i'm joined by two other democrats who spoke in chicago. mallory and the pennsylvania state representative malcolm. we will be right back, don't go anywhere.

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mallory mcmorrow, happy birthday to you. glad we are having, in my world, that the extended celebration. the sunday after birth biggest labor day. malcom kenyatta serves in the pennsylvania state, house of representatives. he is a longtime friend of the show. he's clearly running for auditor general in pennsylvania. a lot of conversation. i don't think i've ever had this conversation on tv. sort of a concept of what does masculinity in politics mean to you, because i did not think that was a thing but it is now, we are seeing contrasts and i am intrigued by it. >> you know, it's so interesting, ali, that you are

having this conversation. i was just yesterday in jefferson county with a bunch of rural democrats, many white men, number of them veterans who served this country, and quite a few with pictures of a black woman on their shirt. very proudly embracing what she offers and rejecting, rejecting this notion that being a man means you have to push people down, kick them when they are down. find the weakest person in your view that you can find and bully them. tragically, i have a colleague, who was one of the people piling on gus walz for the crime of loving his dad. you know, these are folks who every chance they get show us their fundamental weakness and show us their fundamental lack of patriotism. this is a great country and our job, every generation is to do

everything we can to make sure that every person can benefit from the greatness and it takes a lot of strong men and women to make that happen. >> mallory, i was shocked because when i saw gus walz, my natural inclination was man, that is parenting 101, when your kid is that proud of you and is prepared to show that. it was interesting that the culture -- ann coulter have since lead their post because the backlash was so complete about them. but this concept of attacking what was, we used to think of sexuality and gender has actually been central to a lot of what you have talked about in politics that people have to let people be who they are and men have to become triple with that, too. >> that is exactly right and i think the vision that was presented at the dnc that is so counter to the rnc is that men are dynamic and have many

different aspects. you can be tim walz, who is a hunter, a gun owner, a football coach. watching his football team come it moved me to tears. and then gus just loving his dad moved me to tears. you can look at that compare to, you pointed at dana white, a man who had to publicly apologize for hitting his wife. this is a party that props of people like andrew tate and elon musk and j.d. vance who literally said postmenopausal females exist to care for children. it's just a very one- dimensional vision of what a man is and what women are, compared to what we are showing, which is, you know, frankly, much more interesting for men that you can be everything all at once and you don't have to sacrifice loving your kids to be manly like football. i think that's much more appealing. >> i will say that i'm a big fan of both of yours.

i'm a little miffed because i was the oji with printing out my copy of project 2024 and you both had it at the dnc. but malcolm, it's kind of important. it's a terrible book. it's a hard read. it's not meant to be read but it is really important because if people cast a ballot for donald trump on november 5th, this is a 180 day implementation from january 20th. it's a six-month plan to do everything that's in here. you can't complain after january 20th if you voted that way in and suddenly so your rights are gone >> yeah, you know, mallory and i are unfortunately part of the scariest book club of all time. you know, we have read through this book because, as mallory said yesterday, she's a mac and sickest -- a masochist. and every single page is worse than the last one and a part of what makes it so troubling in this

moment is that you see over and over again, donald trump tries to take credit for the accomplishments and good ideas of democrats. you know, cutting the price of insulin is one example. if you look at the stimulus checks, which he did not want. democrats fought for. he tries to take credit for these things but now he won't take credit for the thing that he actually accomplished this 900 page book of a dark, twisted version of this country and either donna trump is lying as he think he probably is or he is too old and confused to know that it's written by a lot of people that work for him, some of them still currently. >> mallory, in here, malcolm talks about dark and twisted. they talk about what a family is. i think the majority of families in the united states say don't comport to the very narrow description. i like all families, any shape they are good but it is that kind of stuff. it is dark and it is twisted. it's written by a whole lot of

people from donald trump's inner circle. this concept of running away from it, people tell me all time when you talk about agenda 47, which is actually his policy. this is all his people who wrote this. there's no -- between donald trump and 2025. >> none at all and the fact that j.d. vance, again, writing the forward to the forthcoming book from the head of the heritage foundation, that they have since announced their delaying until after the election to try and pull the wool over people's eyes, as if this relationship doesn't exist. it's frankly just offensive to americans and to voters to think that we are too dumb to see the connection, frankly and something that i think is really important to point out is a lot of the ideas in project 2025 are not new. the most extreme ends of a lot of the actions that we have already seen republicans from state legislatures act from abortion restrictions to, there's only one acceptable way to be a family. we seen them attack people like kamala harris and pete buttigieg for being stepparents and adoptive parents, as if

that doesn't count. then we've seen abortion bands, which will end up with states being compelled to report on women miscarriages. if this were to go through. i talked to so many people in michigan after -- who had multiple miscarriages, about how hard it was to get pregnant, to stay pregnant safely. this would just be for women and, you know, it brings this conversation together. this is what the republican party thinks of women. we are nothing but vessels for bearing children and that is how we are treated by ultra macho manly men who don't actually care about family. >> thank you to both of you this morning. great to see you both. michigan state senator mallory mcmorrow. pennsylvania state representative malcom kenyatta. happy birthday, mallory. i hope you're headed to brunch after this. i malcolm, you two . let's all celebrat