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it's a murder-mystery. you've got a wealthy family. it is something for everybody. there is a club of people consumed by trying to figure out what happened. i've never seen anything like it. >> a missing wife. >> everything about this reeked of murder. >> reporter: a murdered best friend, a dead neighbor. >> it's hard to understand. >> now the stories you haven't heard as those who knew robert derst best speak out. and here is the own account of the strange life. durst spent much of his time on the road. what was he? who was he with? >> and what is a guy of his health hanging out at a homeless shelter soup kitchen? >> reporter: for decades, suspicion. raising new on the series, the

jinx. will there be answers? the twisted trail of robert durst. >> he's in the mix. hello and welcome to dateline. robert durst was born into privilege. he never seemed to crave the limelight. but over the years, his personal ties to mysterious disappearances and gruesome deaths placed him under the bright glare of suspicion. durst's tale has been the subject of books, movie plots. it's a stranger than fiction story with twists and turns, a complicated yarn that has been unraveling for decades. here is keith morrison with robert durst, the lost years.

>> reporter: there's a letter written decades ago. g fr a prophesy? perhaps a warning certainly. and a doctor writing about a very troubled 10-year-old boy. a personality decomposition and even schizophrenia. the troubled little boy, his name is well known. robert durst. by now you've heard of the bizarre saga. the dead friend, the dismembered neighbor. he's been the subject of several dateline episodes and not in the way he intended of hbo's, "the jinx." does anyone know the truth

about robert durst? the story behind the story. the trail we followed and the personal account he wrote that has led us in a very weird place. the lost years and it is like quick sand where it sucks you in. >> bob is fascinating, always surprises me. >> he was sometimes desperate and always in motion. we track him, his strange detour off the road, off the grid. a life that no one, not even his family or close friends could fathom. >> he has a good heart inside, i really think so. we begin with two people who knew and loved the man they called bobby. god father of their son.

a close friend of more than 40 years long before the rest of the world heard of him. >> we all went to high school together. >> reporter: stuart and emmy altman spoke to us after he was arrested. >> there is still a side of bob that is not a monster and he has a heart and i can't get my head around is whatever happened to bob, it's hard. >> reporter: they shared personal stories. and what was tormented. >> and it was devastating for bob. >> reporter: compounded by bob's strange relationships with his brother, douglas and his father, seymour.

but then in the 1970s, stuart introduced bob to a young woman and this was all set in motion. >> i was on the second floor and kathy was living on the third floor and bob owned the building where he would come in and collect the rent. >> kathy was kathy mccormick, the young and beautiful upstairs neighbor. >> he was like prince charming. kathy was the love of his life. >> reporter: but it did not last. a few years later, they watched them grow apart. >> she became more independent, and it wasn't the fairy tale anymore. >> no, the brother told us it was more like a r roar movie. >> there is a dark side of bob that was well camouflaged when

they were going out. it escalated ultimately into ike logical abuse, economic abuse, and physical abuse. >> remember that doctor's letter warning that the 10-year- old bob suffered from severe hostility issues? kathy gave a copy to her friends including ellen straus. evidence she said just in case. >> kathy had warned all of us if anything happened, look to bob. he did it. don't let him get away with it. >> then in 1982, kathy durst disappeared. >> how did he take it? >> it's bob. you know, he asked if we had seen her or knew anything. >> reporter: but they didn't. no one did. from the outset bob denied any involvement in her disappearance. he was careful to distance himself from investigators.

and when she vanished, said bagley, bob's friend susan berman became his unofficial spokes penn. >> she would call back and say bob is not feeling right, right now, i'll handle a lot of this. >> bob was pretty much seeing this. his own account and his version of things, which he wrote later. here is what he wrote about kathy's disappearance. after my wife, kathy left, my compulsive use of alcohol, drug, food, changed from an infrequent problem to a daily event. >> he didn't come in to work for about two years. >> later when bob began showing up at work again sporadically, he wasn't anything, but a

buttoned up executive. >> he enjoyed spoking pot, burping, farring because it disturbed people, you know, he liked to watch their reaction. >> right. >> and so these stories about misbehaving, paying in a wastebasket? >> yes and all of that it gave pause to the family. s they chose douglas to run the family business. >> did he really think that doug was picked that he had a shot at it? >> he was groomed for it. >> and that is when the little known and reclusive bob durst went off on his own to embark on a strange new life. but how and why trouble seemed

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>> they call this place the lost coast and the mystical corner of northern california where bob durst came here to get lost himself. it was 1995 after he was dumped from the company, 13 years after he disappeared. he walked into the local office. >> he told me he was a writer for the wall street journal and he wanted a place with an ocean view. >> bob forked over nearly $400,000 in cash for a big family house in the town of trinidad overlooking the pacific where he lived like a hermit. >> nobody seen him around and he never had contact or didn't really have any best friends. >> reporter: in that account of his, he explained why. i hated to have more than a brief conversation with someone because i immediately found myself being asked what do you do? the true answer was nothing. i live off the family estate.

which was true enough, but he wasn't idle either who followed the durst case for over 15 years and wrote a book about it. bob was buying other properties, he said and some of his choices didn't seem to make sense. >> these are not just homes, but storage facilities and p.o. boxes. >> and he had an address and was opening up different storage facilities. >> the main town near trinidad is eureka where we discovered won spent quite a bit of time in a secondhand clothing store primarily for women. >> i think he wanted to be a cross dresser and maybe he was experimenting with it. >> he always came alone. >> and he would buy something

pretty plain like this, you know, nothing real outstanding and then he would get a skirt, you know, and try to natch it up. and most of the time he couldn't. so i would try to help him match. >> she had seen her share of cross dressers, but there was something different. >> he wanted to be somebody else. >> which might explain a habit of frequenting eureka's side. >> hanging out at the homeless shelter soup kitchen. >> wait a minute. he bought a house and he hangs out at the homeless shelter? >> reporter: but said charles bagley, he was also restless. >> he was in constant motion whether he was here, in texas,

or in california, and in europe. >> reporter: or los angeles where he would look in on susan berman who you'll remember spoke for him after kathy december appeared. now trying to make it as a hollywood screen writer. >> i always felt her and body were tight. >> this is came langford. >> she was very protective of bobby. she livid in l.a.'s canyon and bob would stop by and soon be gone again, sometimes flying back to trinidad. >> and he would ask questions about the sheriff's department out here and have you seen anything go on? >> and something did happen. a local teenager named karen

mitchell vanished after leaving a woman's shoe store. by the year 2000, the case was cold. and that, of course, is when across the country in new york, another case was suddenly hot again. the investigation into the disappearance of bob's wife, kathy, reopened who later became a tv host on fox news channel. >> i had an instinct. we had evidence she was battered by him, when he has since confirmed. it was clear to me he killed her. >> it was suppose to be top secret, but bob durst found out. >> yeah, he seemed worried. >> and ellen straus offered the cops a tip. >> i begged to the police to interview his best friend, susan berman. i showed them all my research.

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had been chugging quietly for months. by the autumn of 2000, westchester county's reinvestigation into the missing billionaire's wife, kathy durst, had been chugging quietly for months. durst found himself in the media glare again. it had been 18 years since kathy disappeared. public opinion he wrote turned against him unlike before. in 1982 the tone of the publicity was that of the scandal of a rich smuck. people did not distance themselves because of it. in 2000 i was a murderer who everyone disliked. of course, susan had kept the bad press at bay back in 1982. but now investigators, they wanted to talk to her. what did bob do then? he got married. not to susan berman, but to the new york real estate broker,

that was blare rei of inconvenience saying in the event that i'm right. >> maybe it was a love match, but came with spousal privilege, which meant deborah didn't have to talk to the cops about her new wealthy husband. she got access to a substantial fair of his money. >> and that is a character reference i'm not sure i would want to have. >> she is a savvy businesswoman. meanwhile out in hollywood, susan berman was struggling to make it as a screen writer. >> things were not quite going as well as she would have liked with her career. >> reporter: for years she relied on bob for help and he responded. sometimes with big checks. two at least were $25,000.

>> there was some kind of cookie energy that went on between them. >> reporter: we got unique insight from a woman who claimed she was susan berman's closest confident and therapist and psychic. her name is barbara stavender. she knows what susan was thinking. in fact she gave the police many hours of her recorded conversations with susan. in which during those last months of 2000, susan grew increasingly worried. >> did susan ever say she was afraid of robert? >> she did tell me she was fearful of the family because i had the feeling she felt afraid of him because she was afraid he would withdraw any help. >> reporter: but it was more than that said the psychic. susan was afraid of bob, she said, because she knew too much. she knew his secrets. >> towards the end of her life,

she was very agitated with him. >> reporter: would he save her? and just iii 1:00, they let them know bob was on the way and that is what happened, but i can't believe it. not to bring her more money, but to prevent her from talking ever. we know from flight records and bob's own personal account that he did go to california. christmas 2000, robert durst on the move again. late december, he flew here to eureka, california. he had owned a house in this area for several years, but recently sold it. he wasn't coming to stay here. he got a car, got inside it, he pointed south.

in bob's home, personal accounts, after that we can't follow his trial. early the 23th, susan berman was burdened and on the23rd. confirming he took off from san francisco on the -- and this letter postmarked december 23 showed up at the beverly hills p.d. >> i call it the cadaver note. >> the famous note directly police to her body, likely written by her killer. word of her death traveled fast. >> i was like oh my gosh and my first thought was why didn't they listen to me?

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old high school classmate. although in his law, he wrote he didn't like wearing the wig. it made my head sweat. they believe the author doesn't tell the real story. or bob's activity in galveston than elsewhere. >> it was really strange. so what is a guy doing stealing identities? >> reporter: in fact in the spring of 2001, at the same time as he and dorothy were living in galveston, he rented another room in new orleans under the name diane as we found the place, michael ogden.

>> he was wearing the blouse with small wig. >> reporter: he lived on the top floor and they saw him wearing women's clothing. >> and he wasn't a drag queen, just in disguise. >> reporter: and he would fly off somewhere else. new york, california, connecticut, always returning as he carefully noted in his personal account to that apartment in galveston. he shot morris black accidentally and in self- defense he claimed. then dismembered the man. here is how he described it. jack daniels, marijuana, bosa not deep enough. return for bigger bow saw, could not use saw. when they first looked at electric saws, bought axe, did it.

but they believe bob's claims about the killing were attempts after the fact to sanitize what the evidence such was a brutal murder. >> it makes no sense. it shows morris had been beaten severely in the upper torso and suffered a heart attack. obviously something else was going on. >> after his arrest, they tried to explain what happened. >> he was in and out of the body experience. it is understood to understand. >> reporter: charges with murder. who helped derange $300,000, which he probably skipped, got a car and traveled the country.

sometimes using morris' black i.d. it was weeks later, leapting him in pennsylvania. more than 38,000 cash was in his car. the allotman's visited him in jail. >> he asked me how he was doing. you know, not great. he talked about how he pretty much was going to do maybe suicide by cop. >> but bob didn't pull that trigger and was sent back to texas for trial, where his houston attorney devised the defense to beat the murder charge. >> it was a simple case of a struggle over the gun and the gun wanted self-defense. what happened after the killing doesn't change that? >> bob wasn't so confident he'd get off. he asked the altman's to learn more about what life behind bars would be like for him.

>> he thought if we got to know the ins and outs that maybe it would be easier for him once he was on the inside. on winning the jury's sympathy. for that he went on a crash diet. >> bob was trying to use every way within his power to look frail when he was on trail in galveston. >> he would also practice his testimony as presiding judge learned later from recordings taped to the jail. >> he had his wife and friend, some medical little tape reporter. he would discuss with them whether or not he sounds believable. and was he convicted 99.9% that

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keith morrison: houston 2010-- the story of robert durst took a most unlikely turn. the mess in galveston long behind him, he had settled houston, 2010. the story of robert durst took the most unlikely turn. the mess many galveston long behind him where he settled into this luxury high-rise, the condo board president. >> and mr. durst was mostly deshovelled. he did not look like his hair was capped and messy. he looked like a street bum. >> reporter: he was 67 by then. he seemed to have done away with his cross dressing. living out his days in quiet and eocentric isolation. and then the story went hollywood.

the movie called all good things was released based on robert durst's life that was played by ryan gosling. it was directed by the film maker. >> bob liked that movie and that is why he got involved, i think. >> reporter: to offer his side of the story that bob sat for two long interviews for what eventually became the h become o series called the jinx. >> i begged him not to do it. i begged him not to do it. why he did it, only bob knows. >> what did he think he would get out of it? >> he thought he might be able to show that he's not a monster or a horrible person. >> reporter: and bob watched the jinx at the same time as everybody else did. and according to them, they had given evidence to the authority two years before the show aired. >> and they edited probably 50

more hours down into a few minutes. i think the editing job was designed to make him look bad. >> reporter: but it was a simple comparison of the handwriting samples that on the own would seem to condemn robert durst. in a letter he admitted to sending it and compared to the infamous note, the presumed killer would send that cost. soon after seeing that episode, bob packed up and left houston. but the cops, they were monitoring his cell phone and eventually that would track them to the marriott hotel in new orleans. >> and so now two fbi agents would show up to the hotel and do you have anyone booked here under the name? no. they go through ten other aliases. no. no, no. where is he?

they would turn around and there is bob walking in the lobby headed for the elevator. >> later they accompanied him to his room. >> he was booked for possession of the handgun in louisiana in maryland and also arrested for the murder of susan berman in los angeles. and the very next day, the final episode featuring the now infamous off camera bathroom, what was it? a confession? nipulating twos together that were >> kill them all. >> few people knew this then, but the edited of the hot

moment, manipulating two sentences together. and they certainly had the idea. >> and what did you think you saw? >> oh god. i just looked at him and he would look at me and we were speechless for a long time and we brushed into tears because it was like a knife. >> reporter: the package arrived with him in that hotel and the police opened it. >> and there were a pair of shoes in it and $117,000 in cash. so he was getting ready. >> that is kind of what you need, isn't it? >> that's right. >> reporter: and they stepped in again. this time acknowledging because of his trip to new orleans, and that it might not be so easy. >> i acknowledged early on the chance of him making bail right now and the chances are slim to none.

and they just left town. >> he pleaded guilty to illegal gun possession. he was sentenced to seven years in federal prison. the attorney insisted bob had nothing to do with the murder. the trial got underway in march of 2020. but because of the pandemic, it resumed 14 months later. and continuing his battle against the tough deputy d.a. testifying from his wheelchair. and under questioning, they made this stunning admission. >> it is the hypothetical that i did not kill susan berman. if i had, i would be here. >> and in september of 2021, a

jury found him guilty. sentenced to life without parole. two months later the grand jury in new york indicted him for the death of his first wife, kathleen durst. but the jury would never hear that case. in january of 2022, robert durst died in a california hospital while serving his life sentence. he was 78. and in a final twist, john lewan said that because durst was appealing that verdict at the time of his death under california law, his conviction will be vacated. robert durst may be gone, but the mysteries remain. coming up. a missing teenager. investigators wonder is there a

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named karen mitchell was helping out at her annie casper shoe store. >> i did not ever meet robert durst, but my manager, she said she remembered him because he just dressed as a woman. >> karen might have met robert durst said aunt annie, helping eureka's homeless population. people among whom bob was known to mingle. we can't know for sure. but we do know she was in bob's neighborhood more than once. >> karen used to go to trinidad on the bus. i mean they could have definitely met. it's a possibility. she liked unusual people. she liked to pick their brain and talk to them. >> the day she vanished, she was walking to her job from a nearby daycare center where she arranged annie to pick her up after work. >> when she came down, i had a

feeling something was off. >> karen never made it to work. her mother, mary casper lived in los angeles. no forgetting what that phone call was like. >> we drove from southern california up here and i remember hanging flyers at the rest stops, my daughter, and just be like this is not happening right now. how could this be? karen, where are you? >> a massive search produced no sign of her, though there was one curious lead. a witness who said he saw a young woman get into a car with an older man on this busy eureka road. the witness worked with the police artist to produce this, but nothing much came of it at least not back then. years passed and then matt who wrote a book on durst called a deadly secret got a tip from some independent investigator

also working the case, a possible connection. >> there were credit card records that placed durst in the eureka area the day that this girl disappeared. >> reporter: the transaction was just off the coast in trinidad, maybe 20 minutes or so by car from that spot where the witness saw a girl picked up on the road in eureka. then before the trial in galveston, he heard this. >> i have a good source that was close to the defense team. i was told durst, he was extremely concerned about karen mitchell that he thought he would get charged. >> he brought this up on his own? >> yes. >> and apparently he said let's worry about one case at a time. >> not true. i never had any concern about it. >> did bob? >> no. >> when durst was arrested in new orleans, the case was reborn. andy mills was the eureka police chief at the time. >> robert durst is a person of interest in this case.

>> he's definitely in the mix? >> he's in the mix, someone we will consider as part of our larger investigation. >> the chief was not alone. the fbi and the humboldt county d.a. were investigating a possible bob durst connection too. however, durst was not the only person of interest. there were five others. >> the evidence, the circumstantial evidence is just not there at this point. >> that old composite sketch, for example, could this be robert durst? the chief isn't quite sure it's particularly accurate. >> it looks very similar. >> were you impressed by the similarities? >> i'm impressed by the similarities, but my question of being able to recognize somebody in a very small space and window and then being able to recount that in a prescription that's pretty precise. >> and that sketch, ridiculous said durst's attorney. >> i know bob pretty well. that doesn't look anything like

him. it looks like mr. potato head. >> so who was that witness of 18 years ago? would he still remember? the cops haven't spoken to him recently, so we found him. riding his tractor in the green hills above eureka. his name is randy gomes, an army vet and local carpenter. >> 18 years later, we showed gomes his sketch and a picture of robert durst. what is your gut reaction when you see the two paragraphs together? >> i believe that's the man i saw. >> how sure are you that you got it right?

>> i'm positive in my heart, i know. >> and the girl who got in the car looked like a photo of the police showed him of karen mitchell. >> it was her because she, we made eye contact. >> but issues. there is no proof that it was karen mitchell who got into the car. and bob durst's eyes were not blue. and chief mills, gomes didn't come forward until months after the incident. >> what we don't want to do is take something that is sensational and plug that person into the midst of an investigation that may or may not have anything to do with him. >> but the investigation continues. and some believe there may be more. >> i never said definitively that he was a serial killer. what i was there was so much out there about him that clearly there is something going on here and that law

enforcement needs to look into it. and thankfully they are doing it now. >> waste of time. >> well, there is no evidence. and to think, you know, they have to have a theory that he is some kind of a serial killer, but he's not a serial killer. >> but the notion of a serial killer has come up. >> it sells magazines, it sells books. it causes people to turn on their tvs. >> a long missing wife, a dismembered neighbor, a murdered friend. this is how robert durst is defined now. where did it all go wrong? all that power, privilege, money. it's been decades since the doctor warned bob's issues could lead to personal decomposition. is that what happened? to his friends, emily and

stuart altman, bobby durst was a good person and loyal friend for more than 40 years. and as it was, worried that bobby durst may have been the friend she never knew. after all. >> i can't understand harming a human being, okay. it doesn't make sense to me. i don't know if i could forgive that, and i wish i could. i'm struggling with that. i don't know. that's it, i don't know. >> that's all for this edition of dateline. i'm andrea canning. thanks for watching. hello. i am andrea canning and this is datelined. >> he told me he loved