it is good to be back with you on this second hour of "chris jansing reports." at this hour, the battle over the mute button and microphones, the back and forth that could have derailed a debate between donald trump and kamala harris. and how it looks like it's never solved. at least for now. plus, trump heads to michigan to speak to a crowd of national guard officers as his

campaign launches a new attack on harris. first the air strikes, now talks of containment, israel and hezbollah stepped back from the brink of war, but for how long. and the u.s. sending a strong signal to iran and its allies, warships and two aircraft carrier groups. we're live at the pentagon on america's push to keep the conflict from spiraling out of control. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments. let's begin with nbc's kelly o'donnell at the white house and the debate over the debate that might be solved for now. kelly, what's the latest? >> reporter: well, there have been a couple of bumps in the road. of course a lot has changed since june 27th and the debate between president trump and president biden. and of course one of the conditions of that debate that got a lot of attention, among several that were specific to that debate, like no audience, for example, was only the microphone of the person who had the floor would be audible for

the television audience, and of course remembering back to past debates, donald trump has been known to speak when it's not his turn, frankly, candidates do that. there's some back and forth. and if the microphones are not on, the viewing audience may not be able to hear it. one of the other considerations at that time was if there is no mic on for the other candidate, would it be more clarity for the viewing audience? well, in this instance with a new candidate in kamala harris, up against former president trump, the harris team would like to have the mics open for the full time, so you get the sense of any back and forth that could take place. that was not the rules as previously existed. so former president trump made a comment about this today, said he is fine with the mics being out there, and that prompted a senior adviser to kamala harris who tweeted, posted, put on x, a statement saying that basically they think that takes care of it.

unmuting the mics doesn't matter to me. always suspected this was something his staff want, not him personally. that's from brian fallon, senior adviser to vice president harris on her campaign. does that resolve it? at this point, it seems the harris campaign wants to leave it there, assuming that because they want mics to be open based on the comments of the candidate, former president trump, he's open to that. but what we done have is a formal agreement. at least the reporting we have been doing, i just got off the phone a short time ago with an official. they haven't signed a document. what everybody wants is for both candidates to show up and for the voting public to have a chance to see what they have to say. so you were right, chris, when you said, seems like it's resolved, but in this kind of a campaign environment, maybe there are additional bumps in the road to come. we'll stay on it, chris. >> i know you will. thank you for that, kelly. donald trump has been on the attack over 2021's chaotic

afghanistan withdrawal. nbc's shaquille brewster is covering this story for us. shaq, i know i can see behind you, donald trump has started speaking in michigan, one of two stops there. what are we expecting? >> reporter: well, the former president, as you mentioned, chris, is on stage right now, you know, talking to members here, and what they have told me they want to hear from him are specific policy plans regarding the military, and his vision for the country. one member said they're hoping to hear the patriotic trump today when he's up on stage. when you heard from the former president earlier today, he was at arlington national cemetery where he was talking about that chaotic withdrawal from afghanistan, and honoring the lives of the 13 members killed at kabul airport. i want you to listen to see if that's a likely message we'll hear on stage. >> nobody is mentioning afghanistan. this is the third year, i hope

to call it an anniversary. i don't like the word anniversary in this case, but this is the third year that a tragic event and because of that event, we did so badly that russia went in and invaded ukraine, as you know on october 7th, they don't respect us anymore as a country. >> reporter: contrary to what you heard the former president just say, we did hear and see lengthy statements from both the president, president biden and vice president harris this morning. i want to pull up some of that statement from president biden where he called that attack an act of deliberate evil, and wrote, we owe them and their families a sacred debt that we'll never be able to fully repay, and never cease working to fulfill. we heard from the vice president in a statement earlier this morning. you can tell that for both sides, the military's top of mind, and you have both leaders doing what they can to honor those service members killed

three years ago, chris. >> shaquille brewster, thank you. now to the middle east and attempts to deescalate the possibility of a broader regional war. nbc's matt bradley is reporting from tel aviv. what's the latest there, matt? >> reporter: yeah, chris, i mean, you can file this story under the rare occasions in the middle east where the big news is something that didn't happen. there wasn't a mass civilian casualty event. there wasn't a breakout of a regional war that engulfed iran and the united states. this was the kind of thing where everybody had been expecting the worst for a month, and in fact, the united states had sent two aircraft carrier vik groups to the region, girding for this very event, trying to protect american allies here, and this didn't happen, and instead what we saw was something similar to the iranian strike against israel in april. it looked almost like a cursory symbolic attack that was meant in this case as vengeance,

retribution. that's what hezbollah called it. a month after israelis assassinated a top hezbollah commander, in a suburb of beirut, they vowed vengeance, and this is when it came. we did see hundreds of hezbollah projectiles, drones and rockets fired at military targets throughout northern and central israel, but before that, the israelis acting on intelligence had fired what they're calling a preemptive strike, and so instead, as far as the israelis were concerned, they said there were no real civilian casualty. there was one soldier who was killed, looks like preliminary evidence might say so fire, it might have been a friendly fire incident or mistake, but it looks as though -- and there were two hezbollah soldiers who were killed on the other side, but so far it looks as though both sides have claimed victory, and both sides have said they're stepping back from the brink, and they have no plans to

escalate this even further. but we heard from secretary of defense, lloyd austin, the two aircraft carrier strike groups, remaining in the region for the foreseeable future. we're really not out of the woods here, and we heard from the prime minister of israel, benjamin netanyahu, he said that this is not the end of the story. we're still waiting on iran. iran will also suffer an assassination until the iranian capital of teheran. a couple of hours after the hezbollah assassination. but the iranians have said they will retaliate against israel. so far, it's been about a month, and they haven't done so yet. and an israeli official i spoke to yesterday said that the israelis believe that the iranians are not going to retaliate so long as these negotiations proceed. now, we have heard from the united states once again that the negotiations are going well. they're positive, construcive. this is a pattern we have been hearing for the past ten months, ever since the last round

succeeded in november. the administration has said these negotiations are working out very well. that there's only hamas who needs to succeed to them. this is a pattern that has been repeating for months now, but then, every time we see the negotiations collapse. so they're still shrouded in pessimism. chris. the united states is moving naval assets closer to israel. a show of force aimed at iran and its allies, meant to deter further aggression. courtney kube is reporting from the pentagon. what more can you tell us? >> reporter: so these are the two carrier strike groups that we heard matt mention, the uss theodore roosevelt has been in the region since mid june. after the assassinations that we heard matt talk about, specifically against ismail haniyeh, after that, there was a growing sense that there would be some sort of response from

iran, hezbollah, an attack against israel. the u.s. decided then to move more assets into the region. one of those was the carrier strike group, the uss lincoln. it was already headed in that direction, but secretary of defense lloyd austin earlier this month sped it up and it arrived in the region near the uss roosevelt mid last week. the announcement that came over the weekend was the extension that both of these two groups would be in the same region for some time. the pentagon doesn't tend to put a lot of detail on how long one of the deployments will last or how long the two carrier strike groups will be in the same area, because they do that for operational security reasons. the key here, chris, is what this brings. in addition to the fact that there are two carrier strike groups. these enormous ships that have fire power, aircraft, and the personnel on board. that brings in and of itself, sort of a deterrent as the u.s. hope. but in addition to that, if

there is a larger conflict, there's a larger regional conflict that starts to break out, the u.s. also could use these, if necessary, for an evacuation of american personnel. in addition to that, the air power i mentioned, the aircraft carrier, the lincoln has f-35s, f-18s, they have the ability, not only if necessary to bring people out but they also have the ability to conduct surveillance missions and even to conduct strikes if necessary. so it's not just the deterrence but they also bring a tremendous amount of military power should that be necessary. i should also say, in a very rare move only weeks ago the u.s. also acknowledged they sent a nuclear powered submarine into the region, uss georgia. that's a rare move. the pentagon is trying to project how much power they are putting into the area, chris. >> courtney kube, thank you. coming up in 90 seconds, the remarks from j.d. vance on abortion that had elizabeth warren replying, american women

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a federal ban on abortion? >> i can absolutely commit that, kristen, and donald trump has been as clear about that as possible. >> american women are not stupid. and we are not going to trust the futures of our daughters and granddaughters to two men who have openly bragged about blocking access to abortion for women all across this country. >> i want to bring in nbc's garrett haake who covers the trump campaign, also joining us, msnbc political analyst, and former communications director for jeb bush in 2016, tim miller. in studio, democratic strategist, and cofounder of lift our voices, julie razinsky. >> oh, please, donald trump has been on record, saying banned is not such a bad thing. he's gone back and forth, bragged about abolishing roe v. wade, he appointed the three justices that did abolish roe v.

wade. a little less conversation, a lot more action. we know what the action has been, it has been to deprive women of their rights. j.d. vance has been very clear about being 100% pro life, and above and beyond that, he wouldn't vote to uphold ivf. he wouldn't vote to uphold that ivf was legal. this is as extreme as it gets. we know what donald trump has done before. >> there are a couple of different things from donald trump's messaging from members of his own party. tom cotton asked repeatedly to answer about the trump campaign policy, didn't want to go there. he basically put it on kamala harris, and i want to play for you what lindsey graham had to say. >> what exactly is donald trump going to do to quote unquote help women's reproductive rights? >> yeah, you need to ask him about that. >> you need to ask him about that. so what is the position? >> yeah, chris, i'll try to ask

him the next chance i get here. look, when it comes to abortion rights, donald trump's official position has been to kick the issue to the states. this is something he hopes will take some of the air out of it. he knows it's a huge for democrats and women nationwide. he and the campaign don't want it to be a deciding issue in the election. the problem with the position is it basically means he's responsible for georgia's position or california's position, or the near total abortion restriction in my home state of texas, and he has to essentially defend all of those positions. the way he's done that is to try to wash his hands of it, and say what he posted on truth social over the weekend, and this is a quote, my administration will be great for women and their reproductive rights. to me that's like michael scott, declaring bankruptcy. you don't say it to make it true. there's no policy background in any way. the general view of the issue is they mostly want it to go away or be sub sued by other issues

on which he and they feel more confident. >> tony perkins reacted to that truth social post from donald trump. this is what he wrote. my advice is, when you're in a hole, stop digging. this week made clear the dnc has the corner on the abortion market. trump is not only suppressing his own support, he is going to hurt the vast majority of republican candidates who are 100% pro life. why take this on? >> yeah, well, i think tony perkins was given bad political advice there. trump, for all of his flaws is more attuned to the political risk of the position, the extreme position that a lot of republicans have taken in these red states as garrett pointed out on the issue of abortion, and concerns about national abortion ban. a lot of this is j.d. vance is trying to play this hypothetical game, but like, what would you do if a bill comes, you know,

before the desk or whatever. like the reality is trump going in, after the overturn of roe, after dobbs, his entire staff would be staffed with people that tony virgin likes. donald trump is trying to put a more palatable public face on an administration that would be extreme in trying to pass antiabortion policies via hhs and other administrative, using other administrate i functions. >> i'm just trying to figure out if you think he can make progress in terms of winning voters over for whom this issue matters. i think we can all agree that this probably doesn't have much impact on the way pro life voters will vote. they're clearly not going to vote for kamala harris, so how do you make it work on the other end? do you think people are going to buy the fact that he has not said multiple, multiple,

multiple times, i got roe v. wade overturned? it was my supreme court that did that. i appointed these supreme court justices? >> yeah, look, there are going to be a lot of people he can never win over because of all of that, chris. you saw this in the midterms, how big of an anchor dobbs was for a lot of republicans in republican states. donald trump isn't trying to fool everybody. he's just trying to create some space for a couple of specific categories of voters, you know, particularly younger men, for example, who are like pro choice and would probably vote for pro choice referenda in these states but also prefer donald trump to kamala harris and are looking for a fig leaf to do so, people a little less engaged, less focused. we have seen the viral videos of people on campuses blaming joe biden for the overturning of roe v. wade. there are lower info voters out there that he's trying to project to them. you don't have to be scared of me, i'm not one of these crazy far right christians.

as a policy matter, nothing is going to change. that's what he's trying to do as a political mat. >> i was looking back in 1993 when ohio enshrined the right to reproductive rights into their constitution. this is what j.d. vance wrote on social media. there is something sociopathic about a political movement that tells young women and men that it is liberating to murder their own children. i don't think there's any ambiguity, right, about that statement, but to tim's point, there are low information voters, there are voters who may care about this issue, but they're not necessarily going to volt on it, and if donald trump can convince even some of those that maybe for other reasons, economic reasons, border reasons, the kind of issues that we know he's leading on, that those are more important. it's a win. >> well, yes, i mean, look, there's suburban women out there who historically have voted republican who now are voting democrat in part because of this

issue. look, they didn't fall off the turnip truck, this is the biggest story that roe v. wade was overturned, and now states have the right, including places like pennsylvania, if they had a republican governor and legislature, they have the rights to potentially ban abortion, places like bucks county, pennsylvania, which he needs to win, places like north hampton county that he needs to win in pennsylvania. it's a problem for him. these are voters that are incredible attuned to what's been going on in the last few years. they know what donald trump has done. they don't need to take him at his word that he'll do something else. the record is there. roe v. wade is no longer the law of the land because of one man and one man only, and that is donald trump. he appointed those justices. those justices overturned roe v. wade, and he's bragged about it. he's thrilled about it. why do we have to believe anything is going to be different, and to the point that was made earlier, he's going to appoint the very people into his administration that tony perkins loves, that these pro life

evangelicals love because that's who's staffing the trump administration next time around. there's not going to be anybody to stop him. >> what are the stakes, the battleground states, the places that you think that donald trump could, if not make progress on this issue, that it will be less impactful than in some others? >> i think about two groups in particular, one, white working class women. kamala harris needs to do better than biden did with that group. we're post dobbs, and she's got to convince those voters he's a threat to their reproductive rights and he's got to convince them that they should stick with him, a lot of these obama, trump voters, particularly women. and susie wiles is reaching out to younger black women and men, trying to gain ground with them, they're going to tend to be pro choice, but he's trying to convince them that they shouldn't lump him in with more

extreme people on the issue. i think he's going to struggle with both groups. those are the two battlegrounds here. >> garrett haake, thank you. the deadly flash floods in the grand canyon area, you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. tow! drop, and haul, all in a single day, then you just have to get in the seat of the new john deere gator™ xuv. learn more at your john deere dealer.

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the fight over georgia's 16 electoral votes is intensifying. this week alone, kamala harris and tim walz will launch a bus tour, their first event after the dnc, hoping to build on that momentum. they're looking outside the democratic friendly confines of atlanta and its suburbs and to an unlikely group. evangelicals. joining us, presbyterian,

reverend lee scott. i think you're from pennsylvania. what's the argument to evangelicals about why they should vote for kamala harris? >> thank you, chris, yes, i'm a pennsylvanian, and i think that there's a lot of an argument for it. so evangelicals for harris is really a community of evangelicals who have held at various points a feeling of political homelessness over the last several years. i think there's tremendous opportunity for harris and walz to give an opportunity for evangelicals to think differently. >> so tell me what they should think differently about? because i think when we think about politics and we think about evangelicals, maybe they get put in a box, right? part of that box is being against abortion, something that we know kamala harris has been

on the other side of. she has really run a large part of her campaign on reproductive rights. a lot of things about, for example, school choice. there's a separation there. so how do you think that the homeless population of evangelicals will respond to kamala harris specifically? >> you know, i think that's a great question, and i think that too often we have pigeon holed evangelicals as being single issue voters, when there's really a wide swath of issues that are really fundamentally important to them, everything from safety and prevention of violence to ensuring that children have access to the tools they need to succeed. i think that what we're seeing of evangelicals for harris is a group of folks who are looking for the opportunity to be seen as more than just single issue

voters. >> one of the things we saw at the dnc and clearly it was very focused on by the people who were planning it, but it also is really what their lives are, it's family. right? when you saw the relationship between kamala harris and her husband, when you saw her stepchildren who clearly are extremely close to her, and talked about her, when you see governor walz and you see the way he has put his children front and center, and i wonder if you think that's maybe potentially part of the appeal? there is so much about not just their individual families, but the relationship between kamala harris and joe biden, the relationship between kamala harris and the walz es, which is fairly new. >> it's easy to look at them solely as the politicians they are, and forget they are real people, folks who are neighbors

to other neighbors, family members to other family members. these are in both cases, folks who desire to be in a relationship with those that they are leading, but also just their family members. i think that that leads to a lot of the policies that have broad, frankly even evangelical appeal, the child tax credit and the expansion vice president harris wishes to do. i can speak really only to my own reasons for being a part of this. my theological convictions are shaped in part from the dutch theologian abraham kiper and he said there's not a square inch in the whole domain of human existence over which christ is sovereign that doesn't declare mind. for all of those square inches, the domain of jesus, we need to think and examine our engagement, we need to think

christianly how we speak civically. i retired of seeing the meanness, bigotry, and recreational cruelty, conflated with the worldly witness of our faith to a watching world, and the opportunity that the harris and walz campaign has here is to provide a different pathway forward. i think that the model that we have here in evangelicals for harris, with a wide diversity of viewpoints, diversity of backgrounds is tremendous, and is representative of what we're seeing for an opportunity for the electorate. >> the last number i saw, reverend, was about 200,000 evangelicals had signed up with your organization saying that they were willing to vote for kamala harris. i wonder if you have an updated number for us, and if you think that number has the possibility to expand in any significant way? >> i don't have an updated number on that, but i am amazed with the reception that we've

had. this is really provide a forum for folks who are searching for something different. the number that we really do want to highlight, though, too is we're not out here asking for money. we're asking for people to serve their communities and neighborhoods. we have been blown away that 45,000 hours of community service and neighborhood service have been committed to by the folks who have signed up with us. we think that, you know, what unites us as a group here is believing jesus is lord and no politician is, and finding common ground across difference. i think there's a tremendous opportunity for evangelicals to really address community service and neighborhood service, and if that's the legacy coming out of this election, it's going to break down the dividing walls that have made it really impossible for folks to think differently. >> reverend lee r. scott, thank you so much, we appreciate you coming on the program. and right now, there's a court battle over a new biden

administration program that provides a pathway to citizenship for an estimated 500,000 immigrants. texas and 15 other republican-led states have already sued to stop the program, which is known as parole in place. but now, six of those undocumented immigrants who stand to benefit are fighting back. nbc's david noriega is reporting for us from los angeles, and i know, david, you sat down exclusively with one of those folks. what did they tell you? >> i have been speaking with an undocumented immigrant, he was brought to the united states as a child from sierra leone, his family fled the civil war in the country. he works as a prosecutor for the office of the district attorney in philadelphia. i was talking to him about the potential impact that this program could have in his life. he's married to an american woman from new jersey. he has a 1-year-old son, an attorney, he wants to advance in his career, and i asked him, especially now that this program is under threat by this lawsuit

from texas and 15 other republican states what it might mean for him, and here's what he said. >> this would change the trajectory of my life. it would truly be an answered prayer for me. it would give my family stability, it would give me security, and allow me to look at my son in the eye and say i'm here to stay and actually mean it. it would give my family the fear of separation would finally go away. >> so, chris, the federal government is defending this program in court, but what these immigrants are moving to do with their counsel from a couple of groups called the justice action center and another human rights group called churla, they are trying to get involved in the litigation to become defendants alongside the federal government, and defend the program on the basis of their own personal interests. the real question is whether the judge, which is a trump appointed judge in east texas will immediately halt the program before it can really kick into gear. that would mean that foday's application would be stopped in their tracks, and they would never see the benefits of this

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in massachusetts, a rare and deadly mosquito virus has several communities warning residents to stay inside at night. the state just reported its first human case of eastern equine encephalitis. there are no medicines to treat the virus. that's hardly the only mosquito virus. 31 states have reported cases of west nile virus. among those cases, dr. anthony fauci. he was hospitalized but is now resting at home. nbc news correspondent stephanie gosk is with me, as well as vin gupta, medical. >> the first thing is it's rare. you can tell from the way that officials in massachusetts have reacted that they are taking

this very seriously, and that is because the virus is very serious. there is a fatality rate of about 30%. the symptoms are very serious, they include vomiting, a high fever, a stiff neck, also brain swelling. those symptoms, if you do survive it, can be long lasting. you could have neurological effects that follow you for the rest of your life. so you can see why officials would be alarmed and concerned. there was a case, an 80-year-old man in wooster county who developed the virus, and so now you've got officials reacting to that news. and they're doing things like spraying. so that's one thing. they are advising people maybe consider, you know, a curfew. not a mandatory one, but an optional one. don't go out after dusk and before dawn, when mosquitos are the most active. there's a little bit of pushback

on that, chris, because obviously kids are out playing sports, and it is a really popular time of year, but we are very much in mosquito season, and there is clearly some concern in the state of massachusetts. >> so dr. gupta, i have so many questions, but let me start with the symptoms here which include, as she said, vomiting and high fever. i think think off the top of my head that might have fever and headaches and diarrhea as part of the symptoms. so what should people be looking for? >> yeah, absolutely. i mean, this is such an important topic, thank you, chris, and stephanie, to really emphasize that. a lot of symptoms are nonspecific. northern atlantic, gulf coast states where we're reporting a mosquito-born illness in the first place. are mosquitos prevalent. that's number one. two, have you been bitten, and

three, if you start to develop the symptoms, chris, that you just mentioned in addition to maybe neck stiffness, about 4 to 10 days after that bite. i know that's a long window. that is when you really want to make sure you're presenting yourself to care because this is a test or this is an illness that needs a blood test to get diagnosed in the best of circumstances. that's one. and then two, treatment is supported. and so in the case of dr. fauci, there wasn't really anything we could give to your point in the lead-up. it's supportive care to make sure we're maintaining fluids. >> blood test, readily available across the country? >> it is, but only in hospital settings. this is not something an urgent care facility might have. it is generally speaking in major hospital systems, probably going to get admitted if you present the symptoms. it's important to take the warnings seriously. how do you prevent a mosquito bilt. the question your audience is wondering, what can i do if i

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