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specifications, and i think that's probably what it should be, but they're trying to change it. the truth is they're trying to get out of it because she doesn't want to debate. >> trump tried to deflect and posture, but it sure doesn't seem like he's eager to face vice president kamala harris on the debate stage. the large number of republicans who are openly supporting harris because they believe that trump is unfit for office. plus breaking news in the classified documents case, the trump judge aileen cannon dismissed just last month. >> the weird desperation of robert f. kennedy, jr., endorsing trump after recently calling him a terrible human being and calling him a sociopath. his sister, kerry kennedy, joins me tonight. and we begin tonight with the panic that seems to be setting in inside maga world where vice president harris and

governor tim walz's polls and momentum are causing what can only be described as anxiety, doubt and nothing short of a freakout on the pro-trump side. it is so grim over there. senator lindsay graham spent part of his weekend interview with cnn jake tapper arguing that joy itself isn't real. on friday, eric bolling who lost his job at fox due to his rampant sexual harassment of his colleagues making him a perfect trump acolyte and newsmax for a reason that i honestly don't care enough to research had a full-on meltdown of the ratings of last week's democratic convention in which this network beat his old network. >> we're losing. we're losing the race. we're losing the presidency. no one's watches newsmax. fox is now being beat by msnbc. they're trying to say that the democrats are the patriots, the party that's worried about the country. they're wearing camo hats with

kamala harris hats. >> camo hats, trump who disparaged service members own camo. yeah, buddy. okay. they just can't seem to catch a break. in michigan, authorities are investigating whether a local sheriff who hosted trump for a quasi rally violated the law by using state resources for political needs. musicians continue to deny them their songs. the rock band foo fighters told trump to stop using their music telling billboard, quote, foo fighters were not asked permission and if they were they would not have granted it. adding that appropriate actions are being taken against the campaign and any royalties received as a result of this usage will be donated to the harris-walz campaign. beyonce sent a cease-and-desist

to the trump campaign for its use of the song "freedom" without permission on a social music video and trump will have to face the isaac hayes estate in court on september 3rd as their $3 million lawsuit over the trump campaign unauthorized use of the hayes-written classic "hold on, i'm coming" goes to court for an emergency hearing. the hits just keep coming even as the trump campaign can't use any actual hits. see what i did there? maga is losing the culture war because guess what? modern folks in the year of our lord 2024 refuse to go back. school boards banning by moms for liberty and desantis lost races in florida and they're flat-out rejecting the superintendent order that they place a bible in every classroom and teach lessons out of it or else face repercussions. the school superintendent in the big c school district, a christian former marine corps artillery man who is against the

order told "the associated press" and i quote, if there's no particular curriculum what would be the purpose of of a bible if not for pure indoctrination? it's a solid question. meanwhile, trump runningmate j.d. vance continues to struggle. here he is trying to explain away his miserable childless cat lady diss at millions of american women on "meet the press" on sunday. >> i regret that people took it the wrong way and the dnc and kamala harris lied about it. >> do you regret what you said. >> kristen, i'll say things that from time to time people will disagree with. i'll make jokes and say things sarcastically. >> i would rather be a normal person. >> no regrets. >> making a joke three years ago is want at the top ten list. yeah, that wasn't good. speaking of white male nominees

withering in front of black women trump suggested last night that he might weasel out of the debate with vp harris. state news, blah, blah, blah, it's boring. but this is how you know that things are really bad, when trump and vance seem to be ditching their anti-abortion christian right allies with trump posting this lie on dime store twitter, my administration will be great for women and their reproductive rights. trump posted that on friday. in his brain it was opposite day, we can talk about trump being a gaslighter, a liar and a con, but then you also have vance hitting this again on "meet the press." >> i've been talking to republicans including senator lindsay graham last week who made it very clear that if donald trump is elected and you are elected they will continue to press this point. senator graham said to me, i'm going to keep saying that there should be a federal ban. if such a piece of legislation

landed on donald trump's desk, would he veto it? >> i would be very clear. he would not support it. >> would he veto it? >> if you're not supporting it, you fundamentally have to veto it. >> would he veto an abortion ban? >> think he said explicitly that he would. >> project 2025 with the department of health and human services the department of life explicitly resdwrekting the notion that abortion is health care and the existence of the comstock act which trump could use to ban abortions nationwide without the need for congressional action and trump's previously bragging about terminating roe v. wade, we don't believe you all. that is except for the national review which posted this very sad article over the weekend including their godhead of abandoning his pro-birth followers and harrison butker to beseech j.d. vance to pull a

mike pence without the hanging part and drag trump back on to team gilead. trump and vance have clearly seen the enemy, and it is not just former president obama who brk his brain last week and mrs. obama's powerful speech hit tiktok, no, the real enemy is kamala harris. it was her running mate, coach walz is launching a bus tour across georgia on wednesday concluding with a thursday rally around savannah. trump can't seem to figure out how to deal with kamala harris and the voters that she and coach wallace are attracting to their upbeat campaign, particularly women. the polling expert tom bannier exploded the voter registration by women are being driven by legitimate fears about how much more miserable, exhausting and deadly a second trump ruled america can get, particularly as

compared with the prospect of an america fueled with freedom and joy. joining me now is tom bonier, political strategist and senior adviser, jen sacky and host of "inside with jen psaki" and former secretary of the biden white house and msnbc political analyst tom smikle. we normally do ladies first, but i'll start with you, tom. you tweeted about and prompted us to call you about this explosion of women registering to vote and the resulting gender gap. can you please explain? >> i'd be happy to. this really caught me by surprise because we're always looking at the registration trend. i know wer all for separate polling, i am, too, but we know polling doesn't tell the whole story. individual level data showing us the actions people are taking so the question that we asked of the data is could we see

something happen after july 21st with the candidate change, and what i saw was honestly shocking. we saw gender gaps all across the country from those that updated their file that were exceeding the post-dobbs gender gab and we know those were bigger than any than had been seen before, and so we're talking about battleground states like michigan and north carolina where it's not just little differences. it's women registering at a significantly higher rate than they were prior to that especially younger women and women of color. >> tom, just to be clear. women tend to vote in higher rates than men in a racial dynamic. so are these polling differences, are they taking into account race and jenner? because we know that black women are overwhelmingly democrat, if

100 register to vote 95 of them will be democratic and it's 47% democratic and 52 the other way. is -- are the dynamics of race kind of in play here in terms of the voter registrations or can we even tell? >> well, yeah. it's an important additional point to this. in different states they have far different registration, and so what we're seeing is it's not just more women registering, it's more democratic women in states that don't have partisan registration or have a partisan model. in the state of michigan it's +20 democratic in terms of these people who have registered to vote since the vice president ascended to the top of the ticket. you mentioned polling. that's the big concern here. every pollster has to come up with a likely voter model to predict who will vote. are they in the votes? at this point the likely answer

is no. >> jen, i want to go to you with that. people who are getting obsessed with these polls. my kids are texting me about polls at this point and everyone is fixateded on them. it's hard to check out how accurate they are. we read it a lot and i have doubts about it, women, trump 39, women harris 56. men it's the another way around. trump, 55-40. arizona, nevada, north carolina, same, gender gap, women, trump, hair 40-55 and men. it's hard to look at those and not take into account which women and which men are going to vote. >> that's true. every poll is imperfect. every poll is a bet on who the electorate is going to be, right? >> it doesn't mean it's bet incorrectly and who the electorate is going to be and what we've seen, this is why when you compare when there are

polls or analysis that are comparing 2020 voters with who they are until now it's 2022 when the dobbs decision came out and that completely enraged women across the country and when you talk to a lot of these people, too, joy, people running organizations like emily's list or organizations focused on abortion rights, when they tell you is that these women are under counted and we see that in the midterm elections and it's hard for people to bet who otherwise wouldn't have and that's so interesting to hear what tom said. as you covered and i covered kamala harris was out there across the country talking about abortion rights and abortion access long before she became the democratic nominee and she's been across the country talking about for many, many months and

it's interesting in how this is a factor to how this is playing out. >> this is the reason why i like having tom bonier on. the polling aggregators and people that look at polls that saw the post-dobbs change and it's one of the reasons that i was very clear on how the 2022 election was going to go is because dobbs is a thing and a lot of people are, lake, inflation, inflation, inflation and we said dobbs, dobbs, dobbs. there is one number you cannot fake and it's not subject to interpretation and it's money and here's how much money the harris-walz campaign is sucking in like a vacuum cleaner. $82 million during the dnc convention. $540 million total since the campaign launch. i will remind you the campaign launch was july 21st, three or four weeks ago. they are hoovering in money. number one, the question is will donald trump be able to ask them for a loan so he can pay off his

debt to new york, and question number two is what can they do with it? we say a lot on the show, if you had that money to spend where would you spend it? >> yeah. i'll start by pivoting off of jen's point because i went from seeing one of the worst months that i've seen to absolutely one of the best months i've seen in democratic policy and when you see half a billion dollars that was raked in, i've been saying for a while. i don't want to see it all on tv. i want to see it on the street. i want to see it on the ground. tim walz said let's leave it on the field, and the reality is i think that's where it's the most effective and going to the numbers about voter registration which jamie had been saying earlier that one of the biggest strategies they've been appointing is trying to register more people to vote. i would love to see that money spent on the ground even in digital ads because we have to get into boom's social networks.

we have to do doorknocking and they have a couple 100,000 shifts and almost a million volunteers since they've gotten into this race and when they add to that, they're on top of that with all of that money which you will of that money they have almost a limitless opportunity to go to the voter's home and take them by the hand, and i have to talk for a second why that's so important because there's still all of this voter suppression moving out there. so all of this activity is really going to make sure that we overcome -- that the democrats largely overcome that hurdle to make sure that those who want to go vote for her are able to cast the vote. >> there will be some litigation and to go back to you for a moment, jen, and i should also point out, on the other side, people who are republican strategists are describing donald trump's fund-raising as a

black hole because they don't know where the money is going. they're either spending on their legal fees. >> we have a suspicion, joy, but who knows? go ahead. >> from your point of view having worked on these democratic campaigns as well as basel has, as well, will democrats resist the temptation to use it all on ads and east north carolina, the rural parts of north carolina. dream with me, florida, is it winnable? i don't know. is it thinking broad when you're talking to party folks about spending that money on the ground? >> yes. well, first of all, the dnc was already doing that. now they have a whole lot more money to play with, but the key thing here as basel knows is the money goes through the state parties is to invest in the organizing and build up these

local organizations that are going door to door and all of that. i will add on the digital front, they will spend an enormous amount of money on digital ads and they're also using digital as an organizing tool to do that neighbor to neighbor organizing and engaging because you believe anybody more than you believe your neighbor. the one thing that they can kind of have fun with is they can play in places to make the trump team also play in them like florida, right? >> yeah. >> and texas. >> texas, yeah. >> and also drive temple a little crazy in the process. we'll see if they do that, but they have the money to do that, and i agree the organizing is important and a big part of that is investing in big parties and organizations on the ground that are already doing the work. >> and i will note that the youngest democratic state chair is in north carolina, a state that has a huge opportunity for democrats. don't join on the south.

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last week vice president kamala harris had the former president, two former democratic presidents and the grandson of two others endorse her at the democratic national convention. by contrast, donald trump's only republican living predecessor, george w. bush did not attend the rnc and trump's former vice president mike pence refused to endorse him for obvious reasons which is, of course, that trump supporters wanted to kill him. in fact, of his entire cabinet nearly half had refused to tell america that they should vote for the guy, and then there are those republicans who are courageous enough to tell millions of americans to tell why they were voting for kamala harris and tim walz. >> let me be clear to my republican friends at home watching, if you vote for kamala harris in 2024 you're not a democrat. you are a patriot.

>> now here i am, behind a podium, advocating for a democrat. and that's because i love my country more than my party. >> a grand ole party has been kidnapped by extremists and evolved into a cult. the cult of donald trump. >> whatever policies we disagree on pale in comparison with those fundamental matters of principle, of decency and of fidelity to this nation. >> earlier today "usa today" reported that more than 200 bush, mccain and romney alums endorsed harris for president. the group called on more moderate and independent voters to take a brave stance once more and support harris over trump in the fall. joining me new is eugene craig iii, chair of black republicans for trump and writer for msnbc political contributor.

let me start with you, why black republicans for trump and who is a number? do you want to spill some names? >> black republicans for harris. >> i mean, for harris. >> donald trump is not qualified to be president. at the end of this term he lost an election and led a rebellion against the country and that should be an item disqualifier. kamala harris might be the most qualified to ever run for president. first and foremost, we will be the margin of victory. if this is a close election we'll make sure that we're standing on the side of history and we're standing next to vice president harris. secondly, we have a rapid response and when it comes to donald trump and the black republicans that will call out it's people like me. they're making the case for vice president harris because at the

end of the day when it comes to our community, vice president harris pales in comparison to donald trump. >> that's very succinctly and well said. tim miller, just to go through some of the people that we're talking about. we're talking about very conservative people. michael ludig, barbara comstock, and adam kinzinger who i got a chance to meet at the dnc and joe walsh, denver riggleman, mike pence, olivia troy, we can go on, ana navarro from "the view." george w. bush's former u.s. treasurer, rosario marin and you can go on and on and on and then i asked myself why isn't every republican is on this list who calls himself a republican because donald trump is something else. are you surprised by those who are not on this list and -- go ahead. >> it's a mixed bag, right, joy?

on the one hand donald trump can't break this list, there are no former obama staffers for trump out there. on the one hand that's a good thing and that new list that came out today with the 200 that they released, one name stood out to me, gene becomer who was george h.w. bush's staffer, and she wouldn't have put her name on that after what her formers about saw about donald trump, so that's good. there are bigger fish to fry, and i wrote about this in the bull work today and there was not a single cabinet official that went to the dnc. about half of them have not endorsed them and that's good, but at least some percentage of them would have the courage to come out and say clearly that kamala harris should be president. john kelly called donald trump the most flawed human he ever met. on the one hand you have the most flawed human that you ever met and then on the other hand,

you have literally anyone. i thought her speech, in a lot of ways, maybe not thematically appealed to a lot of these types of people. i have been disappointed that there are big names and i hope that the encourage of of kinzinger and others spurs these folks from getting off the sidelines. >> i am surprised, too. some people who are not on the list like jim mattis, he called him unfit and has no moral compass. he's accused him of degrading the american experiment and you think of people like that and i have to chock it up to them being military people and they shouldn't be political, i don't know. eugene, for you, are the policy differences, are they just washed over by trump's unfitness as you described it because obviously, michael steele and i talk about this all of the time and we want to go back to talk about it and we disagree on almost everything, is it that

for you that donald trump is unfit or is it that vice president harris has won you over to her ideas? >> i'll say this, right? first and foremost, donald trump has aren't laid out any approximately sees and we went through four days of the rnc without a succinct policy being laid out by anyone on the state. when you ask if vice president harris won me over? vice president harris will have a stronger economic -- has a stronger economic plan than donald trump does when it comes to joy within the country, donald trump literally casts a dark cloud over this country, and the thing is this, right? i got elected vice chair of the republican party when governor hogan got elected governor of maryland, and we saw eight years of great economic prosperity under governor hogan, and i trust a kamala hair toys bring that same economic prosperity to the country, and i don't think it's lost upon us that governor

hogeance of the one that responded on january 6th to save the capitol when president trump did absolutely nothing. >> everyone is trying to sort of punditize and predict what's going to happen in november. for democrats, in order for vice president harris to get anything done she's going to need control of one or both houses of congress. >> do you see, when you talk to your former friends or her friends that are still republican. they're saying the party has to lose or that trump has to lose? >> i think it breaks down, there's a little bit from every category, right? i certainly think that there are a lot of people, and a lot of regular voters, frankly. if you're not obsessed with the stuff like us, joy, and you are now voting for a democrat for a third time because you hate trump that much. a left people who voted for romney and functionally well,

but they've been voting, if you look at the suburbs of every major study and i look at georgia. you had a lot of broadway an kemp voters, and you would you would be out well and then there's this small, like judge mike at luddig who see donald trump as a unique threat and those are the people we need to reach and that's why we need to make the case. >> absolutely. it's just democracy or not. it's pretty straightforward. eugene craig iii and craig, thank you very much. coming up, breaking news on the trump legal front with special prosecutor jack smith appealing the dismissal of the trump classified documents case. that's up next. classified docum. that's up next for more than a decade farxiga has been trusted again and again, and again. ♪ far-xi-ga ♪ ♪ far-xi-ga ♪

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misconstrued, the statute authorized the special counsel's appointment and took inadequate account of the longstanding history of the attorney general equipments of special counsels. joining me now is lisa rubin, msnbc legal correspondent. the glaring omission of that is this woman shouldn't be on the case because she doesn't know basic things about the law and why do you suppose that was not included? >> joy, ignorance of the law is not the basis to seek a judge's removal and recusal from a case. there were some folks who did think that the special counsel's office would seek judge cannon's removal because of a history of bias against his office, and what we didn't see here is as you noted, we didn't see that request, but i do want to note for you that if you talked to former federal prosecutors and other people who are students of federal courts, they will tell you that just because a party doesn't make that request doesn't mean that a court of appeals can't do it on its own, and i cited multiple examples today from the folks that i

talkeded to on background and off the record about whether the 11th circuit could consider to do it on its own. that having been said, and they could do it, there's nothing in this brief that is so bombastic or reeks of them trying to convince the court that they would justify it and jack smith's team and the department of justice don't believe that threshold has been reached yet and that's why they kept it in the back pocket. >> what are the chances that an appeal will happen and it goes to the 11th circuit and the trump side appeals and somehow it goes back to john roberts who wants trump to be president and will do anything it takes to dismiss it and will use this case to invalidate the idea of special counsels altogether. what are the chances of that? >> i don't think this case is going to move fast enough for it to be resolved in front of the supreme court prior to the election. you can say that's a good thing. you can say it's a bad thing,

but i don't see any signs that jack smith's team wants this to go fast. they had an opportunity to request expedited briefing or expedited oral argument and they didn't take that opportunity in the case before judge chutkan, either. since the supreme court ruled on presidential immunity over the summer they seem content to just carry on with their cases at the normal pace at which they would be litigated for any other defendant and that's why i don't think i will see john roberts get involved with respect to the validity of the special counsel statutes until well after the election if at all. >> what about the other case? because he has two cases. what about the january 6th case, where does that stand? >> on friday the parties are required to submit what is a joint status report to judge chutkan. in that status report they're supposed to say hey, this is what you should do now. the supreme court dumped what i would consider a mess into her hands. they each get an opportunity to say to her, okay.

we now know what the general contours are of presidential immunity and there's still a whole lot left for you to decide and this is how you should tackle those problems and friday is the deadline for that and we could see the special counsel do something different before then or on that date. there have been two reports thus far that have indicated that one option for the special counsel's office is also to supersede their existing indictment and basically take a big red marker that they understand are off-limits for the supreme court's decision and try to do for themselves what would otherwise take a long time in litigation to work out, what's immunity, what's not immunity and what's official or not official and maybe jack smith and his team will take that themselves. >> intriguing. lisa rubin, always bringing the fire. i appreciate you, my sister. the bizarre and weird robert f. kennedy's campaign and how his endorsement of trump entirely

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when it comes to american political dynasty, arguably the most famous in modern american history are the kennedys. for decades this family not only helped shape the democratic party, but also the ideals of the country as a whole.

it makes this latest chapter of rfk jr. all the more bizarre from seeking the presidential nomination to deciding to run as an independent and as of friday suspending his campaign and going full maga, endorsing donald trump. don't get me wrong, kennedy has long been seen as a bit of a black sheep in the family with his long-held anti-vaccine beliefs, but in this go round things got a bit weird. as story after story came out during his campaign from him admitting that a worm ate part of his brain, and a former babysitter accusing him of sexual assault which he claims to not remember and dumping a bear in the park which he claims was a hit and run. recounting how he once used a chain saw to decapitate a dead whale that washed ashore and bungee corded it to the roof of the family minivan so he could

haul it back home. it may not be all that surprising that kamala harris' campaign did not respond to kennedy's request for a meeting a few weeks ago to discuss a possible spot in her administration in exchange for dropping out and endorsing her which kind of seems like bribery, but of course, that didn't stop trump's campaign. apparently donald trump, jr., had been seeking to engineer the endorsement for months given that kennedy's support was coming from trump's anti-vaxxer base and it got under way from good, old tuck-ums, connected with kennedy to close the deal. suffice it to say the rest of the kennedy family has not been enthusiastic about rfk jr.'s antics calling it a betrayal of what the kennedy family holds most dear. rfk jr.'s sister, carrie kennedy joins me next. ster, carrie kenny joins me next.

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c1 i've made the heart wrenching decision to suspend my campaign and to support president trump. >> but i think he's going to have a huge influence on this campaign. bobby and i will fight together to defeat the corrupt,

political establishment and return the control of this country to the people. and all who supported bobby's campaign, i very simply ask you join us in building this coalition. it's a beautiful coalition. >> reporter: robert f. kennedy jr. on stage at donald trump's arizona rally friday. hours after endorsing him. a move that came following weeks of back channel courtship. the once prominent environmental lawyer and activist turned anti vaccine conspiracist opening his remarks by banning the democratic party for abandoning democracy. the same language he once used to describe the trump administration. and joining us, mrs. kennedy, the sister of robert f. kennedy. i will start by asking you why do you think your brother ran for president in the first

place. do you think he sincerely was running for president or always an attempt to gain favor for donald trump or help donald trump? >> well, let me just start by saying that, everything i say i'm saying personally and not with my hat on for robert f. kennedy human rights organization named after my father who died in 1968 and carries over as unfinished work for justice. why did bobby ran in the first place? i think we grew up in a family where people are engaged. and who and we had lots of arguments at the dinner table about what was right and what was wrong. and who's on what side. and i think bobby felt like he needed to take a stand. i think this, and i understand that. because the stakes this november, this november

couldn't be higher which is exactly why my whole family will be fighting so hard to reelect kamala harris and coach walz who have been champions for the values my family has fought for for years. >> well, i mean, it begs the question take a stand just to read a couple of things. this is a statement you jointly put out with courtney, kerry, chris and rory's reaction. kennedy's reactions to this endorsement of trump. >> matt and joe have also signed on. >> i will also add them. we wanted america filled with hope and a shared vision of a brighter future. a future defined by economic freedom, and pride. we believe our brother's bobby's decision is a betrayal of the values that our family holds most dear. it is ending a sad story. john kennedy ii said well to that. and the grandson of former

president john f. kennedy he was even harsher. jack shlosberg reaction was this, never been more surprised in my life. been saying it for over a year. rfk jr. is for sale. works for trump, bedfellows and loving it. kamala harris is for the people. the easiest decision of all time just got easier. it sounds to me like your cousin josh klosburg thinks this has always been a rift and the reason he ran for president in the first place was to serve donald trump. do you think that's true in. >> well i think what's important is where is donald trump and who are people going to vote for in this election. i think if my dad were alive today, he would detest almost everything about donald trump. his lying, his selfishness, his racism, his cynicism, hatred, fascists, delivering misinformation about vaccines,

criminal felony convictions, rape of carol, his contempt of court for ethics, democracy and healing and his cruel smearing at human rights for suffering people in america and around the world which are the causes that daddy loved so passionately. and were so important to him. and i, you know, personally i completely disavow, separate myself from my brother bobby kennedy and his flagrant and inexplicable ever to dust trample and set fire to bobby's, to daddy's memory. i loved bobby. and i have tremendous respect for a lot of the work he's done in the past. but on this, he's wrong. and on this, it's really important for people to understand that the, that the kennedy family endorses harris.

and we do so because that is who respects our values and our vision and that of robert kennedy and john f. kennedy. >> and the last question i will ask you, they share a donor. donald trump and your brother. timothy melon who's a sign of the pittsburgh banking family, the mellon family, he's put 75 million behind trump but also spent money on kennedy and his various causes including his anti vax cause s. do you believe, this is your brother so you would know him better than anyone. do you believe this run from the very beginning was a grift or that he just actually does believe in the things donald trump believes in? >> you know, i don't think those are the two choices. but what i do think is important, is for ordinary people to look at their lives. wages are up, inflation is

down, small business are booming. manufacturing jobs are coming back, they capped the cost of insulin at $35 a month for people on medicare. lowering health care costs and think about this, since 1989, there were 50 million new jobs created in the united states. 51 million new jobs. how many under democratic administrations and how many under republican? the answer 1 million under republican administrations. and 50 million under democratic. so if you care about your job, about your children, about your grandchildren, vote for harris and walz. that's the message. >> kerry kennedy, thank you very much. from a very diplomatic sister. thank you very much, i appreciate you and that is tonight's read out. you can follow me on tiktok and instagram.

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