booming. manufacturing jobs are coming back, they capped the cost of insulin at $35 a month for people on medicare. lowering health care costs and think about this, since 1989, there were 50 million new jobs created in the united states. 51 million new jobs. how many under democratic administrations and how many under republican? the answer 1 million under republican administrations. and 50 million under democratic. so if you care about your job, about your children, about your grandchildren, vote for harris and walz. that's the message. >> kerry kennedy, thank you very much. from a very diplomatic sister. thank you very much, i appreciate you and that is tonight's read out. you can follow me on tiktok and instagram. please follow our show accounts

on instagram an tiktok at the read out. inside with jen psaki is next. >> reporter: big bad donald trump seems increasingly terrified to debate harris. we have a lot to talk about to about tonight. we're going to get to it. and senator elizabeth warren is stkpwoeupbg to join me. we're also going to hear from jan sams. and we're going to talk to don lemmon who has been traveling around the country interviewing people about the election. he was also on the ground in chicago and he knows a thing or two about tangling with donald trump. but i do want to start tonight with the debate over the debate. that we watched play out today. because i think it tells us a whole lot about the state of the presidential race right now.

i mean it all started late last night when donald trump suggested he may skip the scheduled september 10th nbc debate. if you're keeping track here, that's the one he already agreed to, then tried to back out of then agreed to again. this time he cooked up a new grievance against abc news as an excue to weasel out of it. writing, why would i debate against kamala harris on that network. if you didn't buy that clear cop out from trump neither did the harris campaign. today they shared the behind the scenes back and forth they've been having with the trump campaign over the rules of that debate. in particular, one specific rule. basically, over whether or not the candidates microphone should be automatically muted when they are not speaking. bryan fallon the spokesman for the harris campaign said this. we have told nbc that we

believe both microphones should be life during the broadcast. our understanding is trump's handler prefer the muted microphone because they don't think their candidate can act presidential for 90 minutes on his own. okay. pretty biting statement and a strong strategy in my view. of course the mics should be on. don't mute the crazy, let the american people hear the crazy. they also said the trump campaign had not told trump they wanted him muted. we suspect trump's campaign has not told their boss because it would be too embarrassing to say that they don't think he can handled himself against harris without his mic unmuted. trump said he would rather have his mic probably on. you can make that what you will. he has not agreed to the

debate. i know the squabble might seem silly or not that big of a deal. but it's not really about the microphones at a debate. in fact, this is about much more than just the microphones. it's really about something smart that the harris campaign tapped into. the fact that the more people hear donald trump, the less they like him. because without a coherent message, he's prone to say very creepy and objectively false things. like this. >> i am much better looking than her. i think i'm much better. i'm a better looking person than kamala. i'm betting better looking than she is. >> he's also prone to talk about things that are plain weird like this. >> if there's a shark about 10 feet away. do i get electrocuted or go with the shark. i said because i will take e

lek electricution all day long over the shark. >> and he also said, the future of the democracy or what happens after january 6th to those people. >> there's never been people treated more horrifically than j6 hostages. the j6 warriors they were warriors but they were more than anything else victims of what happened. >> would you pardon those people? >> absolutely i would. >> that was trump over and over again in his own words. promising pardons. praising the people that his very own party once called domestic terrorists. i also understand when you hear clips of trump speaking you might be thinking, i don't want to hear from that guy. why are you playing this? i get it, but the thing is everybody does need to hear what he's saying. both the unhinged and the

attempts of explaining policy positions. because he is telling us who he would be. what he would sound like. what his priorities would be, and what he would do if he gets another chance at sitting in the white house. he is reminding us at how chaotic and crazy he was the last time around and signaling what a second trump term would look like. and that is what kamala harris and her campaign want to make sure the american people hear. joining me now is don lemmon he was on the ground in chicago for the democratic convention. he has interviewed donald trump many times. he travels around the country interviewing people leading up to the convention and he's the author of the upcoming memoire i once was lost, my search for god in america. don i can't wait to talk about your book. it looks so interesting. i want to ask you about news of the day because you're here with me. let me just start by asking you about this sort of back and forth. i strongly feel that the harris team pushing to unmute trump's mics is smart.

what do you think? >> i think it's smart as well. thank you for inviting me on, jen. i appreciate it. i would say that it is smart. i wish i had something witty to say about audio as well but i think we should hear exactly what donald trump is saying and how he is treating a woman on stage. as she is speaking because he has, he is perplexed now. i think he's found himself in a situation that he's not used to finding himself in and that is answering to a very smart woman. and in this particular case, he is answering to a black woman. i think that he's on his heels now. he doesn't know how to respond to her. he was hoping that he would be going up against the president joe biden and now he's going up against this black woman and she's found all this popularity and she's closing the polls, tightening the polls and she doesn't know what to do. he's losing his mind. and i think the harris campaign knows on that stage, he is prone to, you know, have a fit and say something that will get him in trouble. >> you've interviewed him a

number of times. you've covered him for years. one thing that struck me regardless of people's policies is she knows how to command a stage. she showed that at the convention. she's quite compelling on television. do you think that's one of the things that gets under his skin? >> well, i think there's a lot about her that gets under his skin. he's not used to going up against smart women. he's used to being in charge and having guys lead the way. i think that anyone who calls him out on his bs, i think that anyone who doesn't back down to him. i think is a problem. and i think that he, you know, understands that the world after this convention has many people in america, they ever fallen in love with kamala harris. there's momentum coming out of this debate for her. he wants to slow that momentum

down. that's the reason he had rfk out, out on the stomp and having him endorsement so publicly is he's trying to steal the spolt light back. his campaign doesn't know what to do with him. i feel he's running a campaign from a time gone by. i've been saying this a lot on my show. i feel this is a 2024 version of willy horton and they're running this campaign. i don't think anybody is buying it. maybe the folks in the far right of the maga. but people say they're sick of the vitrial, sick of the negativity. >> same old dog, same old tricks. you interviewed a lot of people. what are some of the things or trends that surprised you about some of those conversations. >> i don't think it was

surprising, but it was hearing women, strong women say they were going to support donald trump. and i don't know who's going to support who. right wing media, when i released my content, they said don lemmon was surprised on what he heard. but there were a lot of black men that said they were going to vote for donald trump because he gave them a stimulus check. he gave them a $300. they didn't seem to remember that our current president also gave them a stimulus check. they didn't remember that. and i had to remind that, that it was the democrats that gave

him the stimulus check and he just slowed it down. but because they got a check with his name on it. he makes people think that he's the one that is in control. we were on our way to illinois, to chicago, it sort of depended on where you were. pennsylvania, i shouldn't say pennsylvania, i should say philadelphia was a bit more liberal in the answers to the questions about her and him were quite different. but for the most part, in pittsburgh, or in at the jersey shore in atlantic city, in ohio especially, many people did not know who she was. right, they weren't familiar with her. so i think she has to reintroduce herself to the public. but for him, i think they

thought he was better for the economy. that he brought money into the community or that he was on black people's side. and so, listen, i wasn't surprised by that. i've been doing this long enough to know that you never know where people are going to fall, how they're going to vote. that's their own personal prerogative. but, i think it's important for them to understand and to go into the voting booth with some knowledge. that they're informed as an electorate, and for all the reasons they were telling me the information was all false. they didn't understand the correct reasons they might vote for him. >> a reminder. you've called donald trump a racist on television. you're talking to all these people out there, you still feel that way? >> yes, i think i was the first personal to finally say it and i think i was the first person to say he was lying because people were afraid to say it. i said why don't we just call it what it is. why don't we call it a lie. why don't we call it racism. i wasn't just saying it because it was an opinion. any time i said something like that on television, i backed it

up with facts and i gave people examples of the reasons that i was saying those things. of course, i think he's racist. all you have to do is look at his rhetoric. all you have to do is look at his track record. and you, anyone can see that. and, go on. >> no, keep going, keep going. >> so, i mean anyone can see that and so, i don't think that, that was odd or something that was bold. yes, so i do think he's racist. is it odd that so many african- americans are supporting him? a bit. but i think people romanticize the past. i think prices are higher and people have less resources to put toward those high prices and to feed their families. so we talk a lot about low

information voters. i like to call them low partisan information voters. because many of the people i spoke to were not sitting in front of a television every single day and every single night. following every micro breaking news development about donald trump and about what's happening in politics. but they were quite aware of what they were doing for their families. how much or how little money they had in their pockets. and i think they vote on that and not necessarily you know what they see on television. as a matter of fact, jen, i was surprised i asked people where they got their news from. how they stayed informed. most of the people who were informed about the issue weren't watching television every day. they were digging into it on social media. because they got to sit with the information. so i said why don't you watch television. they said because it's so biased by the time i get through a panel of people yelling, i don't even remember

what the issue was to begin with. >> it's important to meet people where they are. we want to talk about your book. i once was lost, and then i searched for god in america. what did you learn about yourself? >> i learned i was resilient. i started writing the book when i left cable news. then i took a summer off and i went back to the book and it became a better book. because the election was looming i wanted to talk about that. in relationship to evangelicals. the separation of church and state as i found the right and the folks in the maga party. i don't call it the republican party anymore. the folks in the maga party that they were trying to erase that line between church and state and move us into a

theocracy who moves us away from god or who ever you worship. it's not about me or religion. this book was supposed to come out after the election, it was supposed to come out in november. the editors read it, and people in a focus group read it and they felt that it needed to come out now. especially a woman who is running for president. there was a woman who's baby was growing organs outside of her body and was not going survive. and she had to sit through a week of pain because she couldn't get an abortion because it was illegal. >> so many stories like that. it's important for people to hear real stories from people

across the country. your new book, i once was lost, my search for god in america is out september 10th. coming up senator elizabeth warren was busy campaigning for kamala harris across this continent today and she's going join me live. and ian sames is campaigning for harris. and among his comments, someone should tell trump that his campaign wanted to mute him. good point. campaign wanted to . good point. keep those expectations with reliable ground shipping. thanks brandon. with usps ground advantage®. ♪♪

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kamala harris. but the harris campaign has had fun needling him. they released this earlier. you scared trump? >> it's the same thing, i mean right now i say why should i do a debate. i'm leading in the polls and everybody knows, everybody knows her, everybody knows me. >> we don't nope what role he had in the chicken thing there but he may have had one. sames, thank you so much for being here. i just gave my own take on this. i think it's a very smart strategy to push for the mics to be unmuted. the came campaign feels very strongly about that provision. what do you think. >> the american people deserve a debate, to see the back and

forth. and see from president trump, outlanding outbursts and lies. you deserve to see trump for who he is. not censored. not muted. but the unfathered person he will be. i think it's important for the american to see this debate, live, unmuted. i think president trump may not have known that his handlers wanted to keep him muted. i don't blame his campaign team. i don't blame them for wanting to keep donald trump quiet. his outbursts often get him in trouble. we heard from the horses mouth that he was willing to do it with an unmuted microphone, he said he would prefer that. >> what makes you think that he didn't know. >> it just seemed to be the

case with discussions with abc over the debate. >> he said he would be open to do it with the mics on. let's watch that because i want to see where you think it sits as of now. >> do you want the microphones muted in the debate whenever you're not speaking. >> we are doing the same rules. i would rather have it probably on. >> he said i would rather have it probably on? do you think it's settled. >> we have two candidates who have agreed they want to have unmuted microphones. so the country can see both of them for who they are. they can see donald trump and his dark, divisive backward looking agenda. and vice president kamala harris a future looking person who actually cares about the real needs of the american people not themselves. which is all we hear about from

president trump. in order to have those exchanges, have frank debate. hopefully donald trump's team can agree to that. >> and there's some big names like mcmaster, kelly, chaney, romney and others. there's kind of confusion over this. is the campaign reaching out to people like that to ask for their public endorsement? is it that they're unwilling or not ready to? what's going on exactly? >> well we certainly would welcome the support of any of these republicans who are patriotic people who believe in this country and our founding principles and who frankly see donald trump for the danger that he is. the unhinged dangerous person he is. you talked about hr mcmaster. this was his security advisor and just this week he said this is a dangerous guy. we would hope this is a

campaign that welcomes those people in. you mentioned 250ish. romney, mccain, bush, alumni who endorsed her today. a four star general who served under president george w. bush in his first presidential election. i can't think of another time where a convention has had so many bipartisan speakers electrifying the country on her behalf. i think as this campaign goes on you will see more and more patriotic republicans who stand up and say, look we may not agree on every single issue but she's a patriot. she believes in this country. she believes in our constitutional order and what we were founded on and right now is the time for country first. country over party and hopefully those folks will find a home in this campaign. >> i want to mention an issue that donald trump faces. today it came back because special counsel jack smith filed an appeal seeking to

repeal the dismal of the mar-a- lago document trial. the question i have for you, is what should voters be aware of when it comes to this case. it's sometimes hard to keep up with all the legal issues. >> it definitely is because he has so many. but i think in this particular one, the courts and the justice department will work that out. that's up to them. but the voters have a job to do here. we have an election in just 70 some odd days where we can stand up and reject him. the same underlying behavior that we saw in the way that we mishandled information. the way he put our country in danger. the way his own national security advisors have called him dangerous. we all can go vote. we all can go vote in november for kamala harris and the new way forward that turns the page on this divisive past. we can turn the page on that. and these cases will work their way through the court. we're going to go vote. >> ian sames, thank you.

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problem with women. voters and the issue of abortion rights and they are pretty freaked out about it. clearly, because just consider what trump did the morning after harris delivered her dnc address. he jumped on to truth social to boldly and falsely claim that quote my administration will be great for women and their reproductive rights. yes this from the guy who constantly brags about killing rowe v. wade. and vance said that trump is not going to kill the thing that is in 2025. >> senator graham told me i'm going to keep saying there should be a federal ban. if such a piece of legislation landed on donald trump's desk, would he veto it? >> it would be very clear he's not going to support it.

>> would he veto it. >> it's very clear. >> so he would veto. >> i think he would. he said he would. >> there's a lot of things you could say about that back and forth and his answer. but i think senator elizabeth warren said it best. >> american women are not stupid. and we are not going to trust the futures of our daughters and granddaughters to two men who have openly bragged about blocking access to abortion for women all across this country. >> women are not stupid. and joining me now is democratic senator elizabeth warren of massachusetts. senator warren, it's great to see you. thank you so much for joining me tonight. >> good to see you. >> i wanted to start there. and what j.d. vance is now claiming. as you said, women aren't stupid. but i'm raising this because they're going to keep doing this, claiming that they are defenders of women's rights and abortion rights. and you are so good at many

things including giving people information. how should people remind what trump and vance really stand for on abortion rights? >> okay, so let's start with we all know what they're doing. they're just gaslighting us. right. and they think that we can't hear them. when they talk to their radical base. so they go to the radical base. trump did this just last week and bragged again about i'm the guy that got rid of rowe versus wade. he's the one that has now put us in this hole then he thinks he can turn around to the majority of women and friends of women to think that what he has done is terrible. is here's the thing. i want to focus on where we are. you can almost laugh at what they've tried to do except for the fact that 40% of all women in america now live in a state that effectively bans access to

abortion. that mean s that a woman for example can be in the middle of a miscarriage. she can go into an emergency room, she can be examined. the doctor can say, i know what it's going to take. the medical treatment you need, but you can't get it in this state because you're not near enough death. so please go out to the parking lot and hemorrhage for a while longer. hours, maybe overnight. and then come back in, just before you're about to die. and we can perform the abortion that you need. we can give you the medication that you need. that's where 40% of the women in america live today. those are our sisters, our cousins, our friends. and if donald trump and j.d. vance take over the white house, make no mistake, it won't be 40%. it will be 100%. and the way they can do that, they don't even have to have a republican congress. they know this and so does project 2025, that has layed

this out and says there's law right now on the books the comstock act. if you get a donald trump person over in the department of justice. they bring it in front of a donald trump judge, then it will be possible to affect an abortion ban all across this country. no medication abortion, and no surgical abortions. because the actual instruments themselves cannot be sent through the mail or across state lines. so here's the deal. they've got their plan. they know what they intend to do. and donald trump knows that the only way he hangs on to his radical base is to follow through on that plan. but he thinks, if he lies to us, loud enough and long enough and sends jd vance out there to lie to us that somehow we're going to fall for it. and we're not going to notice that jd vance sent a letter

last year to the department of justice telling them to enforce that very law, the comstock act. so i have to say on this one. i go through all the nerdy details because they are important. because it matters what's happening to women across this country and the threats we face. but i also just want to say, on this one, we will not be fooled here. people's lives are at stake. we are talking about access to abortion, we're talking about access to contraception. we're talking about access to ivf and we do not believe as democrats that the government should be making those decisions. we think that women should have the freedom to make those decisions with their doctors. and that's right there. the difference between donald trump and kamala harris between the republicans and the democrats. >> we will not be fooled. i think is a thing women should be saying out there across the country.

let me ask you, because about the this debate about the debate. because when i talked to you the night that, joe biden decided he was no longer going to seek the nomination. you basically said trump is scared of a tough woman. a tough woman scares him. do you think that's what's going on here? >> oh, i think trump is really afraid of kamala harris. or as i like to think of it, the felon is really afraid of the prosecutor. and for good reason. she's smart, she's disciplined, and she's not afraid of a bully. so there it is. donald trump is scared and i have to say. i think his whole team is scared. so that's why they're trying to find ways to muzzle him. to make this debate not happen if possible. because kamala harris she's going to wipe the floor with donald trump. >> we do have to sneak in a very quick break.

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>> we're back with democratic senator elizabeth warren. i wanted to play that because it was really moving to watch and i think one of the reasons people were so passionate about you got the response you did is because you've been a champion of progressive economic policy for so long. and you were overcome. tell us what was going through your head? >> i felt so deeply grateful to be there. you know me, you've known me for a long time i've always been a total policy nerd.

but i never thought i would have the chance to be in the fight. and to be able to fight for so many important things and to be there with so many other people who are in that same fight. it really was overwhelming. just amazing. >> policy nerds are important. we need policy nerds. i love them too. i consider myself one. now, on that point, i think you've been an advocate. >> yes. >> yes we love advocate nerds. you've been the writer of many policies. one is affordable housing. vice president harris put forward an ambitious plan. i would consider it one for affordable housing including a $25,000 tax credit for first time home buyers. a $40 billion fund to encourage local governments to build more affordable housing. they don't always get the attention they need. we want to give it attention as

policy nerds. why is it so important? >> we have a housing shortage all over the country. why are prices so high, it's econ101. we need more housing. do you know who we need more housing for? almost everybody. we need housing for first time home buyers. we need housing for people who rent apartmentless. apartments. we need housing for senior, we need housing for singles. we need housing for people who are growing their families. we need housing in urban areas and suburban areas and rural areas an we don't have enough. and we've known this now for decades, jan. we sit by and the problem just gets worse and worse and worse. and so, what vice president harris is proposing, is something i'm also pushing out there. i'm 100% honest is we need the federal government to be a good partner in building more housing locally. federal government should not come in and tell communities you need to build this.

you need to build that. but to say instead, if you will alter your policies so that you're building more housing for those first time home buyers. for those renters, for those seniors and people with disabilities. we'll do the part the federal government can do. that is be a partner to your community. we can put up the money so you can have a new elementary school or new sewage system or revitalize your downtown. spend it in the ways you need in your community, if you will bring down the price of building houses and getting more housing supply. her goal is 3 million new housing units all across this country. and think about it this way, for middle class families, being able to get on that train to buy that first house, that is the number one way that families build wealth and

wealth that lasts. it's the number one retirement plan in america and it is the number one way to be able to pass wealth on and help stabilize the next generation. and more housing is a way to be able to help close the racial wealth gap in america, it's a way to build more economic security for everybody in this country. it is a fabulous proposal. >> love the fabulous proposal. we only have about a minute left. i could keep talking to you but before i let you go i have to ask you about the kennedy legacy. i mean you know the kennedy legacy well. you're a senator from massachusetts, i know you've seen rfk jr. has endorsed trump after dropping out. i had kerry kennedy on my show yesterday. she strongly rebukes him. i wonder what you think of this and him having the kennedy legacy. >> i truly don't understand who this man is anymore.

he is someone who used to be a strong environmental activist. he seemed to have a strong call to public service. he's become this guy who kills a bear and leaves it in central park as a joke. a conspiracy theorist. i just, i don't think it's going to make a difference in the campaign. i don't think he ever was going to do it. i think he's in this all about himself. which by the way, when you've got one guy who's all about himself, endorsing another guy who's all about himself, you could say, you understand how the match works. but ultimately, kamala harris is out there. she's pulling ahead. those guys are in the rear-view mirror. >> they can just be with each other. senator elizabeth warren, thank you so much. i appreciate you joining us tonight. republicans can't figure out how to attack tim walz so now they're bringing his dog into it. i am not joking. i wish i was joking. and yes, this may be the craziest story you will hear all day.

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c1 ever since he was launch on to the national stage, republicans have been trying to desperately land an attack on minnesota governor tim walz. and because nothing so far has seemed to work, they've now resorted to attacking the family dog. i really wish i was joking. i'm not joking. it's important to know this dog also has a very sweet victory. back when he ran, he promised gus, we remember gus from last week, that they could get aing to if he won the election. young gus was ready to make sure he would keep his deal. after hearing about his dog's

win, the first thing out of his mouth was, i get a new dog. which is such a 10-year-old to say. and walz has posted about scout several times. some republicans from the darkest part of the internet pointed out to a different dog at two years away. yes in that photo, walz was posing with a dog other than scout. so what might the insidious conspiracy be exactly? was he lying about having a dog at all? just all these years, just using a rotating cast of dogs as scout? i mean who knows. as crazy as it sounds. bad faith right wingers said it was all evidence that tim walz

was lying about something. well, no actually. as you can see in this video from the very same day, also shared by walz he just took scout to the dog park where there are usually multiple dogs. which anyone who goes to the dog park, people know. including yes the pup that he posed with. this is an ironic attack, coming from the party, you know who i'm going to talk christie knomes talked about hating her dog so much that he took it to a gravel pit and shot it. and walz said, post a picture with your dog that does not include you taking it to a pit and shooting it. and just as he reacted to equally claims about his own

dog followed during his 1944 reelection campaign. >> the republican leaders, with a pact. on me, or on my wife, or on my son. no, not content with that, they now include my little dog, fara. >> president roosevelt won that election by the way thanks in part to that very speech and little falla was importallized with a statute of his own right next to his dad. fdr was right. if you resort to attacking candidates dog you're probably losing and you will deserve all the ridicule coming your way. coming up i have one more thing to bring up before we hand off to rachel, but we'll be right back.

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c1 okay i know this has been a crazy election cycle and it's only going to get crazier over the next few months. you're looking for a group of expert, friends, new friends, old friends to break down what matters most in these final weeks leading up to november. we have just the thing for you. you can scan the qr code on your screen to join us msnbc live, democracy 2024 is going to be in brooklyn on the 27th. so come out, hang out with me, my friends, wagner, hayes, waggner. think of it as a much much nerdier version of the avengers for msnbc watchers. if you go, you will get the chance to watch the new movie produced by it. it breaks down the wild scheme that led to the first donald trump impeachment. that's it for me,