that the incarceration system of america is one of the greatest failures of public policy in our country. it is truly. it has been -- the emphasis has been on punishment. the emphasis has been on pushing people out instead of allowing people a way back in. >> a way back in. something she knows all about as a former prosecutor. we have today just posted the entire 30-minute interview with kamala harris. as i mentioned, it's from 2019 but it is relevant right now. you can go to msnbc.com/ari. that's msnbc.com/ari. it's the top thing on our you tube play list. let me know what you think of it. it's an important time to look at her in the 30-minute discussion we held. "the reidout" is up next. tonight on "the reidout.."

>> you're concerned about broad immunity. >> i was concerned about a system that appeared to provide immunity for one individual under one set of circumstances. when we have a criminal justice system that had ordinarily treated everyone the same. >> justice ketanji brown jackson addressing her concerns about presidential immunity in a new interview with cbs news, as late today special counsel jack smith filed a superseding indictment against donald trump in the january 6th conspiracy case. also tonight, vice president kamala harris and governor tim walz prepare to barn storm the state of georgia as democrats go to court to shut down a republican plot to derail a harris victory. plus, how trump would use the military, which he deeply disrespects, against his critics and political opponents if he wins in november.

it is all written down in project 2025. but we begin tonight with a presidential countdown. it is now 70 days until election day. here in the u.s., that of course means 70 days until polls close, but voting can actually begin a lot sooner for some americans. north carolina will begin sending mail ballots to all voters who request them, including military personnel and overseas voters. next week on september 6th. in fact, now that both conventions have wrapped up, we are in the belly of election season with debates, developments, and an october surprise or two or three right around the corner. vice president kamala harris and minnesota governor tim walz will kick off their campaign bus tour in georgia tomorrow. it will be, as of now, their first public event after the democratic convention in chicago. harris also released a

one-minute ad titled, full house that focuses on her housing plan. here's a clip of it. >> for most of my childhood, we were renters. my mother saved for well over a decade to buy a home. i was a teenager when that day finally came, and i can remember so well how excited she was. today, corporate landlords buy hundreds of houses and apartments. then turn them around and rent them out at extremely high prices. i will fight for a law that cracks down on these practices. we will end america's housing shortage by building 3 million new homes and rentals. >> okay. compare what you just saw to what donald trump released today, not a campaign ad per se, but a video announcing what the republican nominee calls very exciting news. >> by popular demand, i am doing a new series of trump digital trading cards. you all know what they are.

we've had a lot of fun with them. it's called the america first collection. 50 all new stunning digital trading cards. it's really something. these cards show me dancing and even me holding some bitcoins. each physical trading card has an authentic piece of my suit that i wore for the presidential debate, and people are calling it the knockout suit. i don't know about that, but that's what they're calling it. so we'll cut up the knockout suit, and you're going to get a piece of it. >> okay. so we, your friends here at the reid out watched the entire thing so you don't have to. it's giving home shopping network vibes in a bad way. it's all about him. the never ending grift. these two ads are a snapshot of the two campaigns. right. you have kamala harris sharing a personal and very relatable story as someone whose family were renters themselves, while talking about a real problem,

america's housing crisis. it's an ad that offers solutions and touts a record of taking on big banks and a promise to crack down on exploited landlords. she offers path forward, and then you have this commercial from donald trump pitching trading cards with his face on them for $99. the type of commercial you see in the middle of the night badgering you to pull out your credit card while supplies still last. not to donate to a campaign promising policies outside of tax breaks or hatred but for a terribly photo shopped digital file. it's a new level of grifty delusion. and while the hustle is real for donald trump, so is his dangerous plan for america. after a 36-hour meltdown of his own making over whether he will in fact debate vp harris, trump has decided that he will, in fact, participate. we're also getting a glimpse into what a future trump administration would look like. trump has added anti-vaxx

conspiracy theorist, robert kennedy jr. j.d. vance as honorary carries -- chairs of the team. no word on whether the brain worm gets an invite to the team. to cap off how bizarre and surreal this election is, we got a reminder that one of the nominees is facing serious charges. donald trump has once again been indicted for his efforts to overturn his 2020 presidential election loss. the federal grand jury returned a superseding indictment that charges trump with the same four counts he received in the original indictment returned last august. a slimmed down indictment comes after the right wing majority supreme court largely sided with trump when it ruled in july that presidents have immunity for official acts.

and joining me is congressman eric swalwell of california, david jolly, msnbc political analyst, and former republican congressman who for some reason i still cannot discern is no longer affiliated with that party. we're going to figure it out one day. we're going to keep working on it. i want to go to congressman swalwell first. i want to get your reaction to the superseding indictment, it is jack smith being persistent, coming back, taking out the dodge related things that john roberts and company said are official acts somehow. what do you make of this new document? >> donald trump clearly has three supreme court justices working out of his palm, but jack smith still has found a path because the conduct was so outside of what any president should be allowed to do that there still is a path for accountability, and smith brought that today. donald trump has always preferred violence over voting, and this case will be about, you

know, whether he's held accountable for that. by the way, as you're talking about tulsi gabbard and rfk jr. working on a transition team, i ask myself transition to what, back to the courtroom because he's going to be a civil defendant and criminal defendant again. he sure as hell is not going to be transitioning to the white house, and certainly with those as the people helping him leave government, it signals to all of us what kind of white house it would be. >> let's play tulsi gabbard, just to refresh everyone's memory. this is when she was debating vice president harris during the 2020 cycle. our democratic party, unfortunately, is not the party that is of, by and for the people. senator harris, any response? >> oh, sure. i think that it's unfortunate that we have someone on the

stage who is attempting to be the democratic nominee for president of the united states who during the obama administration spent four years full-time on fox news criticizing president obama. >> that's ridiculous, senator. >> who spent full-time criticizing people on this stage as affiliated with the democratic party when donald trump was elected, not even sworn in, buddied up to steve bannon to get a meeting with donald trump in the trump tower. >> oh, oh, and i shall note right now that that lady tulsi gabbard is doing the debate prep, playing kamala harris in donald trump's debate prep. how much are you looking forward to this debate? >> i'm looking forward to donald trump -- sorry, go ahead. >> yeah, so i think we all are on the same page that tulsi

gabbard is no vice president kamala harris. good look at him actually being able to go toe to toe with tulsi because he has no chance with the vice president. but i think in a very serious note, the fact that there are federal indictments that are once again filed, and the doj is very clear on what he's going after, for everybody tuning in to us tonight, joy, it's really important that one of the things that he struck and reminded the american people that he is going after donald trump is that donald trump, in his shenanigans on january 6th was trying to vacate 80 million voters. it was the biggest act of voter suppression that we have seen not only televised but documented. we have the receipts, and so when people are saying, well, is this the right time to do this, to go after a former president, it absolutely is. because in the work that we do at photo latina every single

day, one of our biggest concerns is that the gop is telegraphing that they want to purge millions of voters. this is part of their larger narrative that they only want certain voters to vote. one thing we know is that whether you're republican, an independent, or a democrat, we know that the way that you have a thriving democracy is to ensure safe and secure elections, and donald trump is a complete affront to that. so i applaud what the department of justice did today. this is a reminder to us that that is what is at stake in this election. >> congressman, you had a thought. >> it's on the debate, by the way, it's nice to see that he wants to be a part of it again, but let's be real, he agreed to debate, not because he suddenly found courage but because he was being crushed for not debating. and he knows he dodged the debate, and the public knows he chickened out. i believe his instinct is always to run away from a fight, whether it was the draft, you know, 50 years ago or this fight now so until he shuffles on the

stage, who knows if he's going to show up. >> the chickens might have triggered him a little bit. the thing that kamala harris and tim walz are doing, and the harris ad, i think, really points to it, is they really are zeroing in on specific economic plans and getting to the things that are really bugging people, like the cost of rents and housing. and so let me just look at some of the sort of polls, or their policies who have been compared. moody's took a look at it. kamala harris's spending and tax increase will cost $2 trillion, but their revenues will be $5 trillion. donald trump's spending and tax breaks would be $5 trillion, literally the reverse. and tariffs would knock us down 3 trillion. he would create deficits, massive deficits, she would put us on the plus side. how important is that that data is out there, david? >> it's critically important, joy, and i appreciate that donald trump did a commercial about trading card ads because

now i know what to get swalwell for christmas. they're coming your way. >> me too. >> well, i wouldn't insult you like that, maria theresa. so look, here's why it's so critical. this idea of a honeymoon. this is not a honeymoon. don't call this a honeymoon anymore. vice president harris has overtaken the lead over donald trump and she has done it on substance. coming off the convention, you have momentum from a perfectly run convention, a powerful week with really incredible democratic speakers, some republican speakers and vice president harris herself on thursday night. now she has the opportunity to really deliver the goods, and what we have all talked about all year is that the biden/harris administration needs to play offense on the state of the country. inflation is coming down, and real wages are going up. the stock market is at an all time high. housing, home ownership is still at all time highs, though it's getting out of reach, and kamala harris wants to do something about it, access to health care and education, investments in infrastructure, and so right

now, you have donald trump hawking trading cards, and the opportunity for vice president harris to talk about policies really begins to close the deal with the american people with 70 days to go, and the other reason that's critical is in the absence of that, we end up in this conversation about why is she not doing interviews, why did she flip-flop, what does she stand for. if she's out there telling you, these are my policies, this is the direction i want to go, donald trump becomes increasingly irrelevant to the narrative of this campaign, and i use the term irrelevant. donald trump becomes i recall to the conversation about the 2024 election, because all eyes and focus trend to the vice president. >> please, go ahead. >> joy, i think that this is really important to underscore, the way the vice president wins is by making sure she's siphoning up independent moderate voters. she also needs to grow the base of voters, and our last poll coming in for georgia, north

carolina, nevada and arizona, the number one issue among 18 to 29-year-olds, among latino and african-americans was housing. she is meeting them where they are. oftentimes we think people are trying to talk about housing to save for the future, no, they're trying to make ends meet. they're trying to make budgets to feed themselves. this really speaks to her understanding of that electoral base. i had the privilege of meeting with the president in june, and this is something that we surface and we knew that they needed to fix it, and they didn't know how to. this policy today recognizes that they're listening but also providing real solutions. >> and by the way, just to go into it just a little bit more. the moody number is i gave you before. on housing, the harris/walz campaign offering tax incentives to build starter homes, and $25,000 down payment assistance for first time home buyers, which would have been great when we were buying a home back in

the day. tax cuts, $3,600 child tax credits, for families with newborns and groceries and food, congressman, a ban on corporate price gouging. with we know that's a big deal, the food price gouging, what is this cooking with kamala thing, speaking of food? it does seem like they're doing the fun on the food side. we know she's a foodie, and making you able to afford those groceries. >> that's exactly right. kamala loves cooking, it embodies who she is, pro family, very close with her friends and so we have, for a good cause, put too many chefs in a kitchen this coming thursday night. it's a free online event where padma, and chef andres will be a part of it. we're going to talk about pro family policies like affordable housing and making sure we go after people who are gouging us on our food costs. and you know, it's in the spirit of it's very hard to hope about your life if you don't have a

home, and that's what her policies, especially finish first time home buyers reflect. and also, it's in contrast to donald trump who, when he was building homes in new york, he was tearing down affordable housing to put up luxury condos. she's going to fight for the people. he's going to fight for people like himself. >> yeah, and also not letting black people live in what he was building. he was like c for color, you can't live there. david jolly, it does feel like they are putting together this combination of policy and vibe that is very difficult, i think, for donald trump to deal with. and it's kind of clear that he doesn't know how to deal with it. >> yeah, that's exactly right, joy, and listen, there may not be a way for donald trump to deal with it because kamala harris and the democratic party have been so successful now at growing this coalition. and i draw a distinction between the two. the campaign and the movement of vice president harris can go in one direction, but what we saw

in chicago was the party embraced that expanded coalition as well. and i think everything for the optics to the language gave a lot of persuadable voters permission to say i want to be a part of this coalition. there was not an abandonment of the roots and backbone of the republican party. there was a welcoming posture to all voters for a coalition that will lean forward. donald trump cannot expand his coalition. we know that. and the reason i say he's largely irrelevant now, he doesn't have anymore tools to play with 70 days to go. my fear of what we have to go through is donald trump pulls a willy horton campaign in the bag down the stretch, and tries to run a vicious, vicious attack campaign against vice president harris. she can survive that, but as a country, we could end up in some very dark moments. >> i think that will happen, and i will tell you, if you're in maryland, you have seen john bolton, the former, you know, part of the trump administration running that exact kind of ugly

nasty willie ad against angela alsobrooks. down ballot from the top of the ticket, there's ugly stuff going on on the tv that republicans are running because they want the house, senate and white house. congressman eric swalwell, cooking with kamala. maria, and david jolly who will threaten to send you trading cards if you're not nice. be good out there. he'll send them to you. thank you very much. all eyes on georgia with kamala harris and tim walz heading there tomorrow, with a legal battle that would erupt with new rules causing chaos in the certification of the election results in that state. don't go anywhere. election results in that state don't go anywhere.

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with just 70 days to go until election days, democrats are making a big play for the peach day. vice president kamala harris and governor waltz are kicking off a bus tour in southern georgia, followed by a solo rally on thursday. the harris/walz campaign is working on mobilizing voters, donald trump is returning to an old strategy, laying the foundation to potentially contest the election results, and a trio of allies who sit on georgia state election boards are making it easier for him to do just that, by recently adopting new rules on certification that critics warn could cause election day chaos. one of those rules allows officials in all 159 counties to make what they call reasonable

inquiries before certifying election results. but does not specify what exactly a reasonable inquiry entails. the other allows county officials to examine all election-related documentation before certification. well, now the state and national democratic parties are suing the election board over those rules. claiming that the board is giving local officials a broad license to hunt for purported election irregularities of any kind, potentially delaying certification and disenfranchising voters in a state that could decide the election. joining me is georgia congresswoman, nikema williams. thank you for being here. let's talk about this lawsuit. what is the lawsuit seeking to accomplish? >> so, joy, it is actually very simple, and it should be something that all republicans, democrats, independents alike

should be joining me in. the state board of election exists to protect the right to vote for all georgians, not one candidate or political party. that's what trump's so called pit bulls for victory, they disagree, and they're determined to make sure that they can change the results of the election if donald trump loses just like he did in 2020. so all we want is for the votes to be certified, as our state statute requires. every county has to certify election results, and that's all we want. something as simple as that, nothing grand, nothing that republicans, democrats, independents alike should disagree with. >> donald trump called his pit bulls, here he is praising those three particular members of this board. >> i don't know if you've heard, but the georgia state election board is in a very positive way. this is a very positive thing, marjorie. they're on fire. they're doing a great job.

three members, janice johnson, rick jeffries, and janelle king, three people are all pit bulls, fighting for honesty, transparency, and victory. they're fighting. >> yeah, it seems odd for a presidential candidate to know, to even know the names of three members of a georgia election board and then name them. it seems odd. >> and that's the thing, joy, like these are his people that they have put on the election boards just because they know that his policies aren't popular here. you can't ban abortion before most women even know they're pregnant, then tax cuts for billionaires, and challenge and try and overturn the will of the georgia voters and expect that to be popular. and so when we played by the rules and won, now donald trump, and his put bulls, they want to change the rules so that when he loses georgia yet again, they cannot certify the election

results. but we're fighting back. we're not having it. we filed a lawsuit just yesterday in the fulton county superior court, along with the harris for georgia campaign, and we're going to take them to court and take them to the voters. we're going to continue to have this conversation so that the voters this fall understand who is on their side. kamala harris is fighting for our freedom to vote, and that means all americans, not just democrats, not just republicans, she's fighting for all of us. >> i will note that brad raffensperger said the misguided changes from bureaucrats who have never won an election and reject the advice from anyone who has could cause serious problems in an election that otherwise would be secure and accurate. donald trump remains under indictment in the state of georgia. here's his mug shot for this call in which he asked for a specific number of votes, 11,780 votes. you said something, representative congresswoman that i want to challenge you a bit on. you said you can't just take

away women's right to choose and women's bodily autonomy, but the republicans in your state did do that. there's a six-week abortion ban in the state of g, and they have not paid a price for it. is there going to come a time when these republicans, including your governor, who signed that abortion ban, are they going to eventually pay a price for that? because so far, they haven't. >> joy, we are seeing the momentum across the state. we had to find the larger place to hold the rally in savannah for thursday for vice president harris. when she was here in july in atlanta, we started out before any special guests were announced, we had 14,000 people already rsvp. we are seeing the momentum on the ground. we had over 1,000 new volunteers just at the georgia democratic party within 24 hours of vice president harris announcing her campaign for president. a 320% increase in donations. so we are seeing this momentum translate into volunteers, and that leads to more direct conversations on the ground.

we're having these conversations with voters and voters are responding in a very positive way, and we know that the polls will go up and down, we have been counts out in georgia before. we know that the voters will have the last say, and we're going to keep having this conversation for the next ten weeks to deliver georgia once again from vice president harris. >> and how confident are you that the election will be certified as is required by georgia law and won't be dragged somehow to the supreme court? >> so, joy, what we know is we're going to continue to fight back. i am not on the board of elections. i get one appointment, as the chair of the democratic party out of all of the members of the board, i get one appointment. so we know that we also have to meet them in the courts and we have to meet them at the ballot box. that's why i need voters to turn out in force so we can win by more than just 11,780 votes and leave no doubt. we're going to do the work so we don't have to end up in the courts. should it come to that, we're willing to fight them in the

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we have talked a lot on this show about donald trump's project 2025 and the disastrous impact it could bring to the country if trump wins in november. but there are already aspects of it underway in red states that provide a glimpse of what could be in store for the rest of us. in texas, you have attorney general ken paxton ordering raids last week that targeted democratic latino voting activists, local democratic politicians and volunteers. as part of what he claims is a state election integrity investigation. one of those individuals whose home was raided at dawn by multiple officers brandishing guns was lydia martinez, an 87-year-old woman who has been a long time volunteer with the oldest latino civil rights group, the league of united latin america citizens or lulac, she told "the new york times"

that the officers told her they came because she filled out a report that older residents were not getting mail ballots. the wide ranging search warrant ordered seizure of electronic devices, allowed for the opening of businesses, organizations and election related documents, and get this, authorized swabbing for dna. again, the warrant claims the search was to look for evidence of voter fraud. so why swab for dna? now, lulac is demanding that the department of justice open an investigation into the series of raids, alleges that they are a political move to suppress latino votes. and democratic state senator roland gutierrez says he is also requesting a state senate investigation as well. and senator gutierrez joins me now. senator, this story was harrowing, reading it in "the new york times." the fact that they are requesting dna swabs and raiding elderly volunteers' homes is shocking. what is the status of your request for a state

investigation? >> well, we filed that yesterday, joy, and still nothing from the lieutenant governor, no response whatsoever. as you know, the state of texas is controlled by a republican house and senate, and all the leaders at the top are republicans. and so i expect they'll pay short thrift to my letter, my demands. but we'll keep advocating for people that have been hurt. i mean, lydia martinez here is an 87-year-old great grandmother. they went through her refrigerator, through all of her drawers, everything you could imagine. she was in her bathrobe. she asked to change. they wouldn't allow her to change. they made her wait outside of her home for several hours. and one of the other folks that was targeted, they went in there pointing guns at them, what the texas rangers didn't do in uvalde, they did to these poor people a couple of nights ago. it is a sheer travesty. yes, ma'am. >> it reminds me a lot of what

governor desantis has done, in which he humiliated and frag marked elderly voters, a show of force saying voting in the state can be dangerous. a friend who does voter turnout down there says it scared black voters to vote at all. that's the goal. do you feel this is voter suppression? >> it's absolutely voter suppression. i spoke to one of the elected officials who didn't want to be mentioned. he said, senator, what ends up happening is that most of our voters don't want to go vote anymore because they're afraid. you know, ken paxton, let's be very clear, he's two times indicted, impeached attorney general, on probation, had to pay $271,000 in restitution, and still under investigation by the fbi. this is the enjoy that is going after these four women, three of them in their 80s, seemingly

volunteers for democratic constituents, all because they're trying to win a house race in district 80 in south texas. what these people are doing is absolutely voter suppression. it's absolutely voter intimidation, and it's working, you know. people of color are afraid, and they're afraid because all they want to do is exercise their franchise, and they are just not letting them join. >> i'll note that texas is a plurality state. it's not a majority white state anymore largely because of latino population, and one of the most voter suppressed states in the country. the attorney general has said some things. let me listen to what he has said as his explanation for why he's doing this. >> there's a reason that joe biden brought people here illegally. i'm convinced that that's how they're going to do it this time, they're going to use the illegal vote. why were they brought in? why did he bring in, whatever, 14 million people? he brought them in to vote. >> this is a trope that donald

trump has used really since 2008 when president obama won, he said that's undocumented people voting, the same thing he said in 2018 when he lost the popular vote. in texas, in enacting the big lie, the replacement theory, there's no basis for it, they have taken 1.1 million names off the voter rolls in just the last three years. so it does feel like texas is trying to fight demographics by essentially deleting voters and scaring those they can't delete. >> they passed a law where people who are registered to vote if they didn't vote in the last couple of elections, they could knock them off the voter rolls. they were successful on it. greg abbott announced a victory on that front. i think that's what you're talking about. at the end of the day, all they want to do is perpetuate this republican narrative in states like texas and florida. it's based on two things, a fake idea about voter harvesting and mail-in ballots, which simply

doesn't exist, and then of course we always hear the age-old story about immigrants coming in to, you know, take our wives and murder our kids and so on. we have to get to the truth of this thing, and the truth is that there's a lot of good people in texas who simply want to go out and exercise their right to vote. unfortunately, these republicans through their racist taxes are suppressing the vote of minority groups in a very big way. >> yeah, and i will say again for the thousand time, noncitizens cannot vote in federal elections. it's utterly illegal and there's not evidence it's happened on a widespread basis ever. it's not a thing. they're making it up. rowland gutierrez, good luck with your request. how the draconian plan targets the military and undermines our national security. undermines our natiol security ed gutters.

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now that donald trump is trying to get elected again, he's pretending to care about america's military service members and veterans. or at least he's trying to get you to forget all the ways he's denigrated them. this weekend marked six years since senator and vietnam war hero john mccain died. when trump had to be shamed into releasing a statement and lowering the white house flag to half staff, which he'd refused to do out of pettiness. it's just one part of a pattern of disrespect for america's

military. trump has called fallen soldiers losers and suckers. he didn't want to be seen with disabled veterans at events. he recently said the highest presidential civilian award is better, since recipients of the medal of honor are dead or have combat wounds. he called for the execution of former joint chiefs mark millie, and calling john kelly stupid. fast forward to today, former national security adviser h.r. mcmaster is giving his inside account of trump's chaos. in a new book he writes about how russian dictator, vladimir putin, manipulated trump by playing to trump's ego and insecurities with flattery. mcmaster said trump set the stage for the chaotic u.s. withdrawal from afghanistan in 2021 by entering into negotiations with the taliban. trump already has expansive and

draconian plans for the military, if he gets a second term. he's planning to fire top military leaders who don't share his vision which he acknowledged in an interview with fox that was straight out of project 2025. >> woke at the top, these guys aren't woke. i would fire them. you can't have woke military. you said it so great, you need people that want to inwith. they want to win wars. that's what their purpose is, to win wars. not to be woke. >> firing top officers is one of many ways project 2025 is a road map to rebuilding a military it refers to as barack obama's general officer corps. in addition to calling for firing and freezing promotions for generals, it would rebuild and retrain the military, requiring all public schools to administer the military entrance exam, the asvab for recruitment, reinstating to active duty members who refused covid vaccines and restoring their rank. abolishing diversity, equity and

inclusion staff to make the military whiter and reduce women's roles, expanding duties into activities like support to department of homeland security border protection operations. in plain english, that means deputizing the u.s. military to round up migrants and american citizens, and that's just one example of why a prominent veterans group is warning that the prospect of handling the reins of our military to donald trump should terrify us all. and that is coming up next. up t might be passed down to you. get ancestrydna and see which traits were inherited, where they came from, and who you share them with. discover what makes you (children speaking) legendary with ancestrydna. conflict is raging across the world,

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a a new video warns about how project 2025 would enable donald trump's worst instincts when it comes to his role as commander in chief. >> if i were to write an incredible roadmap to transform our democracy into a dictatorship, this is what it would look like. a big part of that is to turn the military into trump's maga military force, willing, ready and able to deploy against our citizens should trump issue an illegal order. >> joining me now is single advisor to vote to vet's. thank you so much for being here. we know from his history that donald trump asked mark esper, his defense secretary, whether he could shoot protesters in the legs or something after the george floyd protests broke out.

trump told him to shoot protesters. how much worse can it get with project 2025 empowering him? >> joy, thank you for having us tonight. very much our honor to be here. the moral compass of the united states armed forces is extraordinary. we work very hard to make sure every young american comes into be a great soldier or marine, sailor, and we send them back to american homes better than they came in. that moral compass is what mr. trump is attacking and it is something that we work very hard to resist. the great fear that some of us have is that he will put in place a structure of firing, of dismissing, of retiring and a selection process that will try to dismantle that moral compass. it is that which every voter needs to understand and every

voter needs to make sure he understands, she understands going into the voting booth on november 5. >> he talked about bringing michael flynn back in, general michael flynn who was driven out partly because he pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi about talking to the russians. he has pledged allegiance to qanon and donald trump said he would bring his like and him, personally, back in. you know with people like that in the military, again, in positions of power, can you envision donald trump deploying the united states military against american citizens and having the military actually harm u.s. citizens? would they do that? >> joy, if you pick the right people. over 100 retired generals and admirals signed a document that challenged the results of the last election and who challenged the nature of president biden and his ability

to serve. if you dig hard enough and you will find enough miscreants that were otherwise dismissed from service to positions of authority where they would be able to have a selection process that would frustrate that which we do so well, which is create a chain of command that is behold in and subservient to the constitution of the united states. that is where we are. we take an oath to support and defend the constitution of the united states. but if you allow a president who wishes to dismiss the constitution of the united states, that puts the whole system in great peril and guys like flynn, who managed to escape, until very late in life, the deep look that would find him out, would be that kind of person to create this parallel system that would frustrate what we lurk -- we worked so

hard on in the past. >> could you imagine ever that you would be in a position of having to warn against a president of the united states, a commander-in-chief, turning the united states military against the american people? and, you know, ordering them to shoot protesters. round people up and put them in concentration camps because they suspect they are undocumented. did you ever imagine this would be a thing you would have to warn against? >> joy, a lot of people bring up the name richard nixon and richard nixon made some mistakes. he was a very good president in a lot of ways. creating the upa. banking systems that made america work, but richard nixon at the end of the day understood that he made mistakes. that he would have to walk out of the office of the president of the united states and that he would be behold into the constitution of the united

states. that was as close as our nation has come to a real criminal in the white house. yes. we've got a new world and, no, i never expected to see the likes of donald trump come into the white house. better prepared today than he was when he came in in 2016 and with systems in place like project 2025 and all of the host's like christopher miller who supported that document and created a system that would not work for the u.s. >> and i am sorry that you have to make this warning, but we appreciate you making that morning -- warning and appreciate hearing from you. thank you, sir, very much. and that is tonight's "reidout". you can follow me on tiktok and instagram. "all in" starts now.