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margins matter. that idea is at the core of kamala harris' strategy, saving precious time and money fighting for rural voters. then the goal, to bring it inline with the supreme court's recent immunity decision and keep the heart of his case alive. will it be enough? israel in the opening phases of a military attack, not in gaza but in the palestinian-occupied portions of the west bank. we begin with kamala harris and walz re-writing the campaign to rural georgia, and it's a place democrats seldom go. today's campaign bus tour

through southern georgia is a big deal, monumental, in areas anxious for attention. there's a plan that the campaign believes can even hurt trump's margin in those rural areas, and it's a bold move. georgia ended up being the closest state in the country that year when clinton won. in the word's of one of harris' top aides, quote, these are the types of places you might not be able to go from losing 90/10 to winning them, but you can stave off a bigger defeat. it's really important. i want to bring in nbc's mike memoli in savannah, georgia, where the vice president and

that governor walz will be later today. and we have been talking to voters there. a reporter for the atlantic journal constitution and msnbc contributor, and elise jordan was an aide to george bush's white house and also an nbc political analyst. thank you all. your article reminded me for the bubbas for bill tour. tell us more about why so many people you talked to think this is such a big deal. >> i love how you say it's a high risk strategy. that's what this is. typically democratic candidates for president don't really come to georgia, really, until 2020. they usually bypassed atlanta and georgia, and they wouldn't campaign in georgia. that's obviously changed as the state's demographics changed. what we see when they do come,

they come to metro atlanta. this is a warnock strategy in 2022 when he also focused on the outer lying areas away from metro atlanta. metro is still the key and it's more than half of the state's population, and there's plenty of votes to be had even in deep red georgia counties. if you can cut those margins, you can accumulate enough to put a candidate over the top. >> i understand we just recently got more specifics about where the candidates are planning to go. tell us about this strategy and the message they think they can bring to these voters in particular? >> well, chris, the message is momentum at the moment. you see in the strategy of where they are deploying the candidates coming out of the convention, one they thought was very successful in chicago. they are not necessarily focused on the blue wall states where the biden campaign put most

shifts, and they are in the sunbelt strategy where they show they are on the offense in states where republicans have been successful in in the past election cycles. they are going not just to atlanta, and as you lay out that's typically where a democratic candidate would focus their energy, just drive up the numbers in the state and keep the turnout numbers where you need them, but to turn up the margins, and take a margin of 55% of the republican and bring it down to 54, 53. georgia was decided by just under 12,000 votes, and every vote you can pick up, and even if they are in blue counties in southeast georgia, they will go to more rural areas and talk to rural voters and black voters, and they will try and make that

12,000 vote margin more comfortable going forward. >> you are talking to some of the voters and i wonder if you are finding they are open to this message? >> yeah, absolutely, chris. some of the voters i talked to were excited about the fact that this part of the state is in the national spotlight. once again, others had no idea kamala harris was coming here but they were not surprised at all. let's take a listen to some sound. so essentially what those voters were telling me, we are missing the sound right now, and it's just that they were not feeling as enthusiastic when biden was the candidate and now that harris is at the top of the ticket they are feeling there's momentum here in georgia and she could, in fact, win, and on the other side of the aisle, they

said don't count donald trump out now, and they thought 2020 was a flock, and there's a veteran population interested in immigration issues and they think that will be a big problem for kamala harris in this part of the state. >> we have the sound, so i will play it and if you have thoughts after we are able to do that, jump in. >> how do you feel about kamala harris coming to town? exuberant. just elated that this community is going to have a first-hand contact with this incredible person, and -- i'm going to cry. -- >> the emotion there. one of the ladies told me, as

mike pointed out, this county -- one of the things they said, it's the specific demographic they want to focus on while republicans are focusing on the university students and they are coming back to campus this fall. they will be writing post cards and making sure the college students are registered to vote and the ones who are not voting absentee have an opportunity to vote for harris as well, chris. >> from a campaign perspective, you understand this part of the country and we talk often about the fact that you are from mississippi, not so far away from georgia. i think 1992 is interesting for a couple reasons, and one is bill clinton talked about national security to voters in

southern georgia. also, it was breathtakingly close, fewer than 14,000 votes is what he won by. how does a campaign best spend its time and money in an area like that? >> i have long said democrats should re-engage in rural america, and their neglect of rural america, especially in the south, that could make a real difference. and in the counties, only 1% to 2% more participation by republican voters could give them a more comfortable margin for donald trump's victory, and anything democrats can do to engage with rural voters, including black voters, and many often forget there are black voters too that could be engaged with in these areas, and getting

them enthusiastic, and it helps so much down the ballot, too. if they can challenge the enthusiasm, and we saw that in her reporting, it's there and how do they put that in action. >> we talk about apples versus apples, and as you rightfully point out in your recent writing, probably this campaign is taking more of the playbook from raphael warnock. talk about that. >> yeah, it's no surprise, too, because who is one of vice president harris' aides, he ran warnock's campaign, and part of that was driving up the score in

metro. you can't win in georgia as a democrat, and also cutting into the republican margins in other parts of the state, that's how he narrowly defeated republican, herschel walker, whenever other republican won, and he won with the help of the swing voters, and frankly vice president harris will need that contention of the voters' help again. >> what will you be watching for, greg, when they make their trip and they go, and i know you will be talking to folks. what will give you an early indication they are making progress? >> well, activist and party leaders in this part of the state say they want to hear about georgia's number one industry, which is agriculture. there has not been as much of that. metro atlanta, it's not top of mind for some people but it's the number one industry in the state, and they want to hear

from harris and walz on how they would propel the industry going forward, and they like the attention because it's a neglected part of the state, and even state-wide contenders hardly came here and now it's front and center. >> you mentioned momentum, and that allows you to do some of the things the biden campaign would not have been able to do, and the harris campaign did something similar when they went to beaver county, and trump won that almost by 20 points. when you are talking about these places not used to getting presidential candidates, do you get some points for just showing up? >> absolutely. this is, in general, with the american political system, it kills me that so few states actually get little attention, and you think going to rural

voters where they are and meeting and hearing their concerns, and the vice president pick, tim walz, is a great candidate to really engage. he's somebody who rural voters can relate to. he reminds me of a dad from home that can fix anything and is not scared to wear his overalls and hang out and watch football. it's a more relatable look, and it helps her with a california prosecutor background to have somebody like walz who is from a more small-town background. >> mike memoli, all of you thank you very much. coming up, the deadline now looming for both sides. we'll explain in just 90 seconds. ust 90 seconds. ! thanks! vacations are better with the credit gods are on your side. i'm coming up! rewards once available to the few

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donald trump and jack smith's legal teams are both up against a fast-approaching deadline this friday to propose what is next after the special counsel filed a new indictment in the election aversion case. they hope to revive their case to the supreme court rule that presidents have immunity from

official conduct. i want to bring in former u.s. attorney and msnbc legal analyst, chuck rosenberg, also with us, former fbi general counsel and co-host of the msnbc podcast "prosecuting donald trump," andrew weissmann. what is jack smith hoping to do here? >> as you said, collision, to get the case back on track. following the supreme court's decision that a president -- any president is immune for official acts, official conduct, the difficulty now is figuring out what is official and what is unofficial, what is in and what is out. with the superseding indictment jack smith and his team proposed to the judge that everything that remains now, everything in the new indictment is unofficial conduct and prosecutable. donald trump's team will contest that and the judge has a

difficult task. she still has to make a determination adhering to the supreme court's decision on what is prosecutable, an official act, and nonprosecutable. >> how do you think jack smith's team did in determining what is in and what is out? >> i think he really helped himself. first, he deleted the information that the supreme court required to be taken out, and that is that the court had said the president's interactions within the department of justice are core presidential functions under the constitution and he is absolutely immune. it's not even a rebuttable presumption. and then for other official acts as chuck just said, there's a strong presumption of immunity

but it can be rebutted. that's why you see here both a deletion of information that really cannot be charged, but also you have the addition in the indictment of language that says over and over again that the president was acting as a candidate for office, not as a president. when you are acting as a candidate, if it can be shown that that's the case, then jack smith will argue that that is something you are not immune for. so far it should be clear, by the way, there are at least four justices that agree with that, and even amy coney barrett in a concurrent said she agreed if it was somebody acting as a candidate, that would not be something subject to immunity. finally, the thing that jack smith did here is he made it harder for donald trump to argue that the initial grand jury

indictment was tainted by information that it should not have received because it was information that the president was immune, and they presented the new indictment to a completely new grand jury, so they really took away one of the arguments that donald trump could make at the district court level and up to the supreme court. >> i don't think it's a super surprise, a good defense team would have prepped for this, but how likely do you think it is they could get a dismissal in this case? >> i think it becomes much more difficult, as andrew explained, for trump to get a dismissal. this new superseding indictment is lighter, meaning pared down, and the objectionable parts were removed and mr. trump's team will object in large part to some of it. and he has an easier path

forward. the prosecutors have taken a good indictment and now because of the supreme court decision made it better and easier for the judge to essentially approve of what remains and try and get the case back on track and move forward. chris, you are quite right. the trump team must have anticipated this, and i think it was a smart move by jack smith and his team to pare it down and make it simpler. much to contest remains. i think the supreme court decision is not all that easy for judge chutkan, the trial judge, to apply. i think much remains, no doubt, chris. >> we don't often hear from

judges in interviews, and we did from ketanji brown jackson. i want to play part of it. >> you are concerned about broad immunity? >> i was concerned about a system that appeared to provide immunity for one individual under one set of circumstances. when we have a criminal justice system that had ordinarily treated everybody the same. >> is what she's talking about what we're talking about right now, andrew? absolutely. she was very disciplined in that interview in the way she spoke. her descent was quite precipitous in raising the alarm. just to remind reviewers, what the majority said because to state it is to refute it. they said the allegations in the

indictment that a president asked the department of justice to conjury up a sham investigation to undermine the presidential election, that that is a core presidential function for which a president cannot be charged criminally, even when those conversations are about a sham investigation. that was what was charged in the initial indictment that is no longer in the superseding indictment as a result of the majority opinion. so you know, i personally agree with ketanji brown jackson that the decision portends such potential danger in terms of the power it gives the presidency. that's the reason you heard president biden on the day this decision came down, the sitting

president said this is wrong, i do not -- the presidency should not be given this kind of unilateral power in a democracy. >> chuck, we only have a minute left but i have to ask you about what is next. u.s. district judge, tanya chutkan, set a hearing next week to hear this course. what will happen? >> the trump team will argue more things should be off limits. the prosecutor will argue the new superseding indictment correctly frames what is permissible and therefore should remain triable and it's up to the judge to decide. chris, i don't think it will be simple or easy, but the prosecutors have laid out a more clear path. i think kudos to them for doing it. it was a smart move. judge chutkan still has to resolve a number of questions and she will do that at hearings that will, no doubt, we'll be following in the weeks and

months to come. >> it also means that we are going to be calling on you next week, both of you, so thank you for this, chuck rosenberg and andrew weissmann. always appreciate it. up next, the largest israeli raids in the west bank in decades. what they are trying to accomplish. you are watching chris jansing reports on msnbc. of dell ai and. ♪ to see hundreds of miles of tracks. ♪ [vroom] [train horn] [buzz] clearing the way, [whoosh] so you arrive exactly where you belong. with powerful, easy-to-use tools, power e*trade makes complex trading easier. react to fast-moving markets with dynamic charting and a futures ladder that lets you place, flatten, or reverse orders so you won't miss an opportunity. e*trade from morgan stanley

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israel's largest military operation in more than 20 years in that region. at least nine palestinians were killed and scores were arrested in multiple raids. nbc's danielle hamajin is reporting. >> reporter: as we speak, the raids are still ongoing, chris. they normally only take a few hours and normally only happen at night, and this one is different and it involves units of the idf and they called it a major counterterrorism operation. they said this is their response to what they are calling a terrorists wave of activities, using ieds under roads and infrastructure, and they identified efforts by iran to smuggle in explosives. he said this is iran working to

set up a terrorists front in the west bank, similar to the model in gaza and lebanon. these camps have been sealed off to the civilians. nobody can go in, certainly not journalist. what i can tell you, based on conversations i have had in the past with these gunmen, which is the heart of the palestinian resistance in the west bank, as long as there's an israeli occupation, there will be an armed resistance. they will tell them, this is the only way to live in dignity. it's not about the ideology. they will say it's about funding. where does the money and funding and weapons come from? it comes from iran. what fuels their anger is the expansion of the increase in the settler violence, and a lot

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just as the harris and trump campaigns are focusing on families, their well-being and finances, yet another controversy courtesy of trump running mate, j.d. vance. this video resurfaced from his senatorial campaign in 2021 where he's criticizing a teachers' union president. >> so many of the leaders of the left -- i hate to be so personal about this, but they are people without kids trying to brainwash the minds of our children and that really disturbs me. randi weingarten, who is head of the most powerful union in the country, she doesn't have a single child. if he wants to brainwash children, she should have some and leave hours alone. >> before i get to that specific

comment, john, both campaigns are zeroing in on how they can help families. how different are the views in the means? >> vice president harris wants to expand the child tax credit. right now it's $2,000 per child for people that have an adjusted gross income under $400,000 a year, and j.d. vance said the trump campaign and trump administration if he wins would want to expand that to $5,000. i think there's a broader context. obviously there's an interest for both campaigns in telling parents with children, telling families they are trying to help with inflation. there's a broader context that the harris campaign wants to expand the urban income tax credit, those that don't have kids and help them with an

income tax credit. more broadly with that, what you have with the harris campaign is attempting to pay for these things while raising the corporate tax cut, and the trump wants to expand the tax cut. >> it's a tough thing, as you know, elise, to take what you want and make sure that's the thing that people remember, right, when you are doing a campaign. a lot of what people remember about j.d. vance is that kind of comment we just heard. i should say, to be fair, he's not alone in that. both, tom cotton and marjorie taylor greene said similar things including that you have somebody who is a step mom as a head of the teacher's union, not a biological mother. does that resonate more?

does that hurt their pitch to american families? >> chris, i just think it's a very bad look from the vice presidential pick to say something that echos the situation that plenty of women across the country and the men that love them can relate to. pretty much everybody has a woman in their life that has chosen to remain childless for reasons that are her own personal reasons, and families love those women. so it's -- it's hit something that really hit a nerve. you can see it in the polling numbers. you can see it when there's a 16-point gap in polling averages between women and male voters when it comes to their support for kamala harris and where men are supporting donald trump. you go back to the early 2000s, and the gender gap used to be 7 and 8 points, and now it

doubled, and in some of the pivotal swing states where abortion is on the referendum like arizona, you are getting into the 20s and getting into michigan where there's also a abortion referendum and that's in the gender gap terrain, too. those are huge and noticeable gaps that are building between just the sexism of the comments. you can see how women voters are responding. >> yet so many of the family programs have to do with the economy, which we know will be huge. the trump campaign, elise, is trying to use harris' own words against her when it comes to struggling families. take a look at a new political ad. >> every day prices are too high. food, rent, gas, back-to-school clothes. that is called bidenomics. >> what that ad doesn't say, obviously, is the rest of

harris' comments on the rest of those things, for example, how she plans to fix it, including cost of housing is high. a much-debated plan to build new homes, and could that ad be effective and if so how does team harris counter it? >> so far the trump campaign has not been able to look at the harris campaign effectively, and they should have already defined her and figured out how they were going to really hit and attack her and pursue that path, but instead they have been all over the place, whether it's botching her name or referring to her as kamala. it just has been so scattered and all over the place, and i don't think one ad makes that much of a dent unless they get

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the jury, as we said, sided with the times. how did the appeals court come to this decision? >> the judge granted a rule 50 motion, and this is called a judgment as a matter of words. no reasonable jury could find in favor of palin, and then the judge allowed the jury to come back and they entered a verdict of not liable. you may take a step back and say, well, the judge predicted right, the judge said the defendant, "the times," wins, and the jury comes back and says the times wins. those are different standards. the judge said no reasonable jury could find in favor of palin, and the appeals court found there were other problems including the exclusion of palin's evidence in the form of

news articles she wanted to admit, and jurors receiving push notifications during deliberation, and that's a problem. if you are a juror and deliberating and you have gotten word the judge on the case thinks there's no case and that puts you in a different mind-set i would imagine, or that's what i would argue if i were palin. >> what happens now? >> it's remanded. a new trial. it doesn't mean the case will go to trial because ordinarily parties will say it's a new trial and what is the cost to us, let's settle. i think palin wants to make new laws. she protected journalism by requiring a higher burden for a plaintiff to prove when they are a public figure like palin to make their case for defamation. she wants this case to make new

law. that might mean challenging "new york times" versus sullivan, a higher burden for public figures to prove defamation, against journalistic outlets. >> given everything that is surrounding this, if it is retried, could it be difficult to seat a jury? >> it's always difficult to seat a jury with a high profile party, plaintiff, defendant, whatever the case may be. but just look in new york city not too long ago, the court seated a jury in a matter of days for the former president of the united states. different courts have different levels of success. one rico case in georgia and atlanta took eight months to seat a jury in a high profile rico case against a recording artist. here in new york, three, four days to seat a jury for the former president of the united states. it's always a challenge. every judge approaches it differently. but sooner or later we have learned that we always can seat a jury eventually. >> how long could this take?

>> quite a long time. if you read the appeals decision, there was a lot of evidence introduced and some excluded. this is a case that had a lot of moving parts, evidence, documents, things for the jury to consider. >> always good to see you, danny cevallos, thank you so much. yet another major as much as outage from at&t, this time more than 5,300 customers' phones suddenly froze on sos mode yesterday. in some states, including florida, california, and arkansas, local officials said the service drop meant 911 emergency calls couldn't get through. at&t now says it's resolved the software issue responsible and apologizes to customers. in a summer of what has been relentless high heat, the last 24 hours is rewriting the record books. chicago shattered a 51-year record yesterday with a blistering 99 degree temperature reading. that's the city's hottest day of the year. and there was no break even when

the sun went down because the humidity rolled in. a major round of storms and ominous shelf clouds like this one, knocking out power to more than 44,000 buildings. those storms started a rare phenomenon, rolling back surf lines north of chicago by almost 20 feet and very fast in a span of just a few minutes. nbc has new reporting that the biden administration may soon restart an immigration program that they paused last month because of suspected fraud. nbc's julia ainsley has this story for us. does this mean the fraud investigation is over, why restart the program now? >> we have learned that that investigation is not over. in fact, this was a review being done by uscis, they're the ones who decide who can legally come to the united states or not, they were looking at over 100,000 applications from sponsors who said that they could be financially liable for any immigrants who are applying from cuba, haiti, nicaragua or

venezuela to seek entry into the united states, and they had to list a place where these migrants would live. those 100,000 applications had, for example, immigrants who would be living in a warehouse, 600 immigrants had an address of a commercial warehouse in orlando. over 700 had a dilapidated trailer park in key west, florida, and 3,200 cases, 3,200 sponsors were sponsoring 100,000 immigrants. so a lot of problems. but the review continues. in fact, we understand that they have thousands if not tens of thousands. more of those applications to review, but they are going to restart this program, chris, in large part because they think programs help keep the numbers down at the southern border. they want more migrants to apply to come to the country legally, rather than come to the border illegally, and they say they will put some reforms in place, such as manually vetting each and every application, and doing them in small batches, chris, but we can expect this program to restart this week, even

though they have not completed that review into all of those potentially fraudulent applications. >> i'm going to get in trouble because i don't have enough time but do they have enough people to manually vet? >> they have just asked for more people this week, chris, so it's clear they have had manpower issues with this investigation in the past. >> julia ainsley, always good to see you, thanks. we saw kamala harris leave joint base andrews, about to kick off a georgia bus tour. that's the start of what's to come for her campaign. the big plans to appear with president biden on the trail for the first time since he left the race. first, watch the best parts of our show anytime on you tube, go to msnbc.com/jansing. stay close, more "chris jansing reports" right after this. ing reports" right after this. spot a trend in electric vehicles? have a passion for online gaming? or want to explore the space economy? choose from over 40 themes, each with up to 25 stocks

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it is good to be back with you on this second hour of "chris jansing reports." at this hour, next stop, georgia. kamala harris and tim walz point their campaign bus to less traveled parts of the state. will it make all the difference? plus, he may not be running for president, but you can't keep joe biden off the campaign trail. his labor day plans to help get out the vote for his vp. and after spending millions to get on the ballot, the big hurdle now for rfk jr. is how to get off of them. why two major battleground states just denied his