going into their own circle and going on to their phone. >> some families are concerned about not being able to reach their child during school hours for safety and health reasons. administrators, however, encourage families to call the school office. >> thank you very much. that wraps up the hour for me. i'm jose diaz-balart. thank you for the privilege of your time. ryan nobles is in for andrea mitchell and picks up more news right now. right now, the race for the white house in a dead heat with 68 days to go. both vice president harris and former president trump in swing states today as a new poll highlights the harris surge in four key battlegrounds. also, jd vance defends this attack on the vice president over the trump campaign's recent arlington cemetery controversy. >> it's the kamala harris is so

asleep at the wheel that she won't even do an investigation into what happened, and she wants to yell at donald trump because he showed. she can go to hell. >> and new revelations from the fbi on the attempted assassination of donald trump, including the gunman's computer searches. i'm ryan nobles in washington in for andrea mitchell. the presidential campaigns are crisscrossing battle theground states today with democrats trying to expand the map in georgia and north carolina and donald trump traveling to michigan while still on the defense after monday's incident at arlington national cemetery. a source tells nbc news that a trump official abruptly pushed a cemetery employee out of the way to take campaign photos. the gold star families who invited trump are defending the former commander-in-chief while veterans groups are slamming him

for politicizing the sanctity of the cemetery and using it to produce campaign content like this tiktok video. trump's running mate and jd vance doubling down on his comments that harris can go to hell for the biden administration's handling of the afghanistan withdrawal. >> sometimes i get frustrated, and sometimes i get mad off. and kamala harris's failure in leadership is something to get angry about. >> no comment yet from harris, but maybe that changes later today when she sits down for her first network interview since taking the top of the ticket. harris eyeing potential openings is focusing her attention in deep red areas of the deep south. >> i think it's very important she's expolice sit about her policies. it gives us the opportunity to hear personally from her about her various policies that may impact us here in savannah. >> at this point, they feel like

the same party. one of them just puts on a different coat of paint, but behind the closed doors it feels like they are doing the same thing. >> the latest polling shows the race locked within the margin of error in georgia and other key battlegrounds including arizona, nevada and north carolina. we begin with nbc news correspondent mike memoli who is in savannah. vaughn hillyard is in michigan. and reuters white house correspondent jeff mason. mike, georgia and north carolina opened up since harris took over the ticket. what's her message to voter who is can't see themselves backing trump? savannah is probably not used to presidential campaign visits. >> reporter: no t really isn't. the campaign saying this is the first time a democrat has campaigned here in a presidential contest since the 1990s. but what we have seen so much of the conversation around the campaign since she replaced biden at the top of the ticket and added governor walz to it

has been about the jolt of energy and enthusiasm to the democratic campaign at this moment. much more so than we saw with president biden. the campaign has really been leaning it, targeting an area where they think they can make end roads with rural voters, where they can showcase that enthusiasm and the chemistry of the new team as they visited a local high school yesterday and did some retail campaigning at a restaurant. you can maybe see the lines behind me, hundreds of people already lining up to hear vice president harris tonight, a capacity of over 9,000. we are told by the harris campaign that she is going to make a much more policy-oriented contrast with president trump, trying to argue she's offering an affirmative, a positive vision for the country and really lay into project 2025, which we have seen the campaign also go on the air waves with national, in battleground states and that palm beach media market, which hope it amplifies their message. what we're seeing here is the

first major address we'll hear from harris since her convention speech, which was almost a state of the union in terms of policy initiatives she'd like to focus on. we'll hear more in that interview. some pointed questions we expect her and governor walz to face, but speaking to those voters in southeast georgia where they think they can run the margins up, continue to build on the momentum democrats have seen here in past cycles, just by showing up. >> so let's go to vaughn now. trump has events today in michigan and wisconsin, but they are being overshadowed by this arlington incident. there's an optics problem here for the former president, but there's also a question of perhaps trump and his campaign violated federal law. >> reporter: this is a moment where it's been 72 hours, but we're getting more and more information here. just in the last hour, a spokesperson from the army released quite a lengthy

statement the. unusual for the army to comment on such an incident in which they, in part, first of all, note that, yes, in fact, one of the officials at arlington national tear was pushed as part of an altercation. but also notes that the campaign was given explicit instructions that the section 60 video and photography could not be used for campaign partisan purposes, which you noted, the tiktok video and other video that was set to music, there was pushed by the trump campaign. in that statement from the army, they also write in part, this incident was unfortunate and is also unfortunate that the arlington national cemetery employee and her professionalism has been unfairly attacked. now you'll recall that trump campaign spokesperson had initially issued a statement in

which he referred to this altercation as one in which the arlington national cemetery official physically blocked the trump campaign aid, who was, quote, clearly suffering a mental health episode. of course, now here in the last hour, the army putting out a statement defending that official at the cemetery as somebody who was simpy doing their job. >> so you covered donald trump in the white house. there's obviously the reporting on the ways that he has disparaged the military as a candidate and also as a commander-in-chief. talk to us about that aspect of all of this, the history that trump has, and are you surprised that kamala harris hasn't jumped on this more? at this point, only calling this a sad episode. >> on the last point, let's see what she says this afternoon. she'll have a chance to talk about that in the interview that she's doing with cnn if she's asked about it. on the first point, i did cover

president trump for four years. i will tell the you two things about his relationship veterans. there's a lot of controversy about things he has said before that you have reported on, that we have reported on, and that is sort of hung over him in terms of the military and in terms of that we should also add veteran vote. that aside, i also know from my experience covering him and covering the last few campaigns that military members like donald trump. so i think he thinks and his campaign sees that as a pretty strong bloc of voters for him, despite some of the things he said, despite his attacks in 2016 on a gold star family member, and despite this incident that you're reporting about now. so i think kind of the political question setting aside the question of ethics and rules and disparaging somebody at arlington is what political impact does it have? i think so far, his experience

and what he's said about veterans before hasn't ended up hurting him significantly with that bloc of voters. >> let's talk about this harris campaign strategy right now. she's looking to cut into the margins. trump is trying to mend fences with brian kemp, who has ridiculed, but is very popular in georgia. is this a strategy harris hopes to replicate in other battle grountds? could we see her going into deep red areas to cut down the margins that trump enjoys in some of those places? >> i think that's very possible. i think you're hitting the nail on the head there. it's not necessarily an effort to win those specific districts, but it's to make the losses a little bit less significant. add a few more votes on to her tally because we know in these

swing states in georgia, wisconsin, pennsylvania, that it's going to colt down to not a whole lot of votes. so every single the one that she can get in it these important states, even if it's an area that's red will be helpful to her. and that seems to be a broader piece of her strategy now in terms of the travel and decisions she ander her campaign are making. >> mike, let's go back to you. it's demonstrated that the way they are playing in north carolina now, the vice presidential candidate will be there as well. they view north carolina as being in play, don't they? >> reporter: absolutely. the biden campaign and the harris campaign even more so now thinks this is a state that they can pick up. s it was the closest state that donald trump won four years ago. they look at the issue landscape as especially favorable to them. a significant republican legislative majority that has been checked by a governor there providing reverse coat tails. they have given a significant

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arming them. meanwhile, the world food program says it's temporarily suspended operations in gaza after its vehicle came under gunfire while approaching a check point. that means there will be less food for people who desperately need it. joining me from tel aviv is nbc news correspondent matt bradley. how long do we expect the military operation in the west bank to last? >> reporter: that's unclear. we have been told this is the first phase of this operation and that it could last several days, at least that's what the media is reporting. this has been going on on the smaller scale in these same cities for several months. it's been going on for several years, and before october 7th, the united nations had said that was the deadliest year, 2023, for palestinians in recorded history. so we have been seeing there was at least 660 palestinians killed

37 there's been quite a few killed at the hands of settlers. so when we talk about this latest round of fighting, it's not just confined to what we have seen in the last 24 hours. this is an ongoing operation. we can expect it to last for a few more days. but this is just the fist phase. >> israel is accusing iran of funding militants in the west bank and helping to arm them. do we expect iran to respond to that charge? >> iran has responded. we heard a statement saying this is an extension of the regime's racist and genocidal policies in the west bank. they called on international leaders and international organizations to condemn this and pressure the israelis to stop their assault on the west bank. if you're asking about an armed response, or military response, we are already expecting that from the iranians. they have vowed to do so ever

since last month. we saw that attack in tehran that killed a head of hamas. the iranians blame that on the israelis. the israelis have neither confirmed or denied they were behind that assassination, but ever since then the iranians have vowed, we understand the israelis have said they understand they are delaying that reprisal as long as negotiations for some sort of hostage negotiation or some sort of hostage deal the and some sort of peace deal in the gaza strip are ongoing in cairo. it's unclear how long the iranians intend to wait or ha they intend to do. if we see a reprisal, we can't chalk it up to the west pank. it would have to be a reprisal for what they have already declared is an act of vengeance for the killing. >> there's the ongoing humanitarian crisis in gaza. what does it mean now that the world food program suspended its operations for now? >> reporter: this isn't so

surprising. we saw a world food program car that was struck by a hail of bullets at a check point in the gaza strip. there's already a very desperate nutrition problem in the gaza strip because of a lack of food getting to the people there. the israelis have insisted they are letting all of the trucks in. their operations are not holding anything up. we know that there is some the starvation in the gaza strip. we have been hearing this from international organizations, including the world food program over and over again. we also the know how dangerous it is to be an aid worker in the gaza strip. and this was recently just brought to light once again not just from the world food program vehicle, but the united nations said on monday they were suspending a lot of their aid operations because of the danger to aid workers there. so this is not just the world food program. it's the united nations as a whole. we have been seeing this for months and months ever since the israeli military operation

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today the department of justice inspector general is slamming the fbi over its handling theover child sex abuse cases.

in a new report, they found in nearly half of the cases examined, the justice department watchdog could not find evidence that the fbi complied with mandatory reporting requirements to alert state or local authorities about an allegation of child sexual abuse. the report comes in the aftermath of the his $138 million payout to the victims of disgraced university of michigan physician to act on the warnings of nassar. so give us the top lines from this report. how is the fiction responding? >> ryan, after the nassar case that you mentioned, the fbi could not have been more clear. the fbi director said that was a horrific situation. he said he would work to make sure it would never happen again. but unfortunately, what this report suggests is that things like what happened in the nassar case have happened again. not to the same scale, not to the same level, but this was an

audit. so they sampled 327 cases where child sex abuse cases had reached the fbi. and in 42 of those cases, they found deficiencies so egregious that they immediately went to the fbi and said, look, you need to correct this. in one particular case, they found that the fbi sat on an allegation of child sex abuse so a minor was abused for more than a year and there was an additional victim during that time who was abused. that's very like what happened in the nassar situation when the fbi sat on that case and 70 additional women were the victim of larry nassar's sex abuse. the fbi is saying in a statement that -- sorry, i got to get it here. the ensuring the safety and security of children is not just a priority for the fbi. it's a toll solemn duty we are committed to fulfilling with the highest standards. by ensuring the important changes they made previously are

coming to pass. those are great words, but those are the same language they used in the wake of the nassar case. there are questions being asked why this continues to happen. one of the issues cited on the call with reporters is budget cuts. and there's an increased case load of child sex abuse cases, but i'm not sure the public is going to be satisfied with that kind of explanation when it comes to the safety of children. >> let's talk about what that means for the victims and then those who have been affected by the prosecution of the sexual abuse cases. >> who can forget that sering testimony from simone biles during the senate hearing about this creep larry nassar and how he was allowed for years and years to abuse american athletes. girls who were trying to make the olympic team. as ken said, why haven't things gotten better? the inspector general report identifies three problems. one is a lack of investigation. sometimes the fbi gets

allegations and it just doesn't follow up. second, it doesn't report to local law enforcement. the fbi doesn't have jurisdiction over most child sex abuse cases. the fbi's jurisdiction is on a federal territory or plant. but when they get allegations that they aren't responsible for, they are supposed to report them to state and local officials. too often they don't, but the fbi should just follow its own rules. it's not doing that now. and again, that's a problem. >> has the fbi said that they are going to make these changes? i know they have given lip service to that before, but did they agree with the assessment of the ig report? do they expect to implement reforms as a result? >> they did, but the report made 11 recommendations and only 2 of them are closed. it means they are satisfied. they are working on some of the

others. i took note of the fact that in this report, an fbi official in his written response suggested that most of the issues here were paperwork violations, were a failure to document investigative steps in the file. but that's actually refuted in the body of the report, which says that 42% of the cases required additional investigative steps by the fbi. in other words, not just paperwork, but actual things the fbi had to do to investigate child sex abuse. it suggests that the fbi hasn't come to grips with the the extent of the problem here. and this is not going to go away. there maybe congressional hearings about this. members of congress, who have been following this issue since the nassar case, are outraged and issuing angry statements today wondering why the fbi has not done better on this issue. >> and i go back to what ken said early theier about the idea of resources and a look of resources. if you're pointing to a lack of resources, aren't you also pointing to priorities. what i read between the lines is

that the fbi has not made sexual abuse claims a priority on the work they have done. >> that's what the report suggests. the fbi has extraordinary responsibilities with regard to national security, but this is also extremely consequential. the most important recommendation from the report is about compliance. that the fbi needs to develop and implement a method to ensure that it's following its own rules, which require mandatory reporting of these kinds of incidents. one agent told the inspecter general these cases just fall through the cracks, even though the number of allegations the fbi is hearing recently is going up, the number of agents assigned to these cases is going down. so that does suggest an institutional issue that goes beyond just paper work. >> and just quickly to close with you. it seems kind of shocking given everything -- all the attention that's been paid to this particular issue after the

nassar case that something like this could fall through the cracks. >> it's remarkable. i don't want to understate that the fbi has made improvements. they have changed their policies and procedures. but what this report says is they haven't gone far enough. they haven't fully fixed problem. >> ken dilanian, paul butler, thank you. next up, a look at how hurricane katrina is still impacting the people of new orleans 19 years after the devastating form storm. you're watching msnbc. devastating form storm you're watching msnbc. moving piles of earth. towing up to 4,000 lbs. cutting millions of blades of grass. nothing compares to experiencing it for yourself. you just have to get in the seat.

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19 years ago today, hurricane katrina slammed into the gulf coast killing more than a thousand people and causing billions of dollars in damages. the unprecedented storm also destroyed critical mental health facilities. antonia hylton got an inside look at how since the storm, jails have become the largest mental health provider in the crescent city. >> reporter: up on the 4th floor of one of the most notorious jails in the nation, 50 men are living in an experimental community. >> try to make sure cool, calm and collected. >> reporter: nbc news received special access to the justice center in new orleans where a new model pod for mental health aims to treat inmates more like patients. this is what many afternoons look like now. men seated together talking about conflict resolution, past trauma and healing.

led by michael lewis. >> it's humbling because usually in a prison setting, it's an aggressive setting. >> reporter: for years the orleans jail has been known for violence. and a decent decree, experts say it has one other title. the largest mental health care provider for all of new orleans. hurricane katrina flooded the city's charity mental health ward and it never reopened. following a pattern across the u.s., large mental institutions and psychiatric wards shuttered. but our country did little to replace them. >> what's the community been like for you? >> it's open minded. when i first came here, you feel the intimidation. >> reporter: he's just 18. when he first arrived at the jail, he was harassed by another resident for being gay. >> that type of behavior cannot

and will not be tolerated. >> reporter: all of them have lost family to gun violence in the city. many of their relatives were separated by katrina, a trauma that endures almost 20 years later. >> it's definitely a cycle. i'm going to be the one to break it. >> reporter: leonard has been in pretrial detention for five years and pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder. >> i probably have the best view in the jail. >> reporter: he didn't realize until joining this group that it wasn't normal to live every day expecting to die. >> i was cool with that. if i ran into the police and they killed me, i would be happy. >> reporter: sheriff hudson ran for office in 2022 promising to fight plans for further jail expansion. according to her office, more than half of the 1,400 people in jail here have diagnosed mental disorders. >> why did mental health matter to you?

>> my baby brother. he ran away to the navy when he was a teenager. he came back ptsd. the intervention that we did, i had to call the sheriffs office. >> reporter: as she tried to reform, louisiana lawmakers gained a supermajority pushing through crime and punishment laws, including sending 167-year-olds to adult -- 17-year-olds to adult jails. the already crowded jail population increased 3 to 5% every month, according to the department. nbc news requested interviews with state senator heather cloud and representative cruz, who spear headed the new investigation the sheriff alleges impacted the jail. they did not respond. >> good morning, y'all. >> reporter: for now the sheriff and lieutenant lewis say they will keep swimming upstream, reforming one unit at a time. >> if we human beings can make up our mind and treat other people like human beings, that would make a difference. >> joining us now is antonia

hylton for more on this ground breaking report. this is an experimental program right now. tell us more about how it's being received in the city and beyond. >> that's right. it's just a few months in. so officials are going to be watching this program very closely. in fact, lieutenant lewis, who you met there, is collecting data on all the men's upbringings, their backgrounds, what they have been through in their childhoods, how the storm impacted them. then tracking their mental health outcomes, all with the hope that they will be able to spread this model throughout the jail so that it's accessible to every single person there. really what you hear right now from families, officials, experts in the new orleans area, they are really hoping that at some point, a mental health ward or mental health hospital gets reopened in the city. they are very concerned that no matter what, it's really not sustainable for a jail to be at the frontline of this fight. >> maybe expand on that. it being the largest health

provider in new orleans, it's not alone. many of the largest providers in the united states are jails. what does this tell us about the need for more mental health facilities? >> it shocks people, but it's the case from new orleans to miami, rikers, chicago, cook county jails, l.a. county jail, they have become the largest mental health care providers in this country. what that means is many americans are only able to get access to medications or to therapy if they are first accused of a crime. and the research shows this is skmg that impacts more people than you might think. an advocacy and research organization have estimated up to 40% of americans who suffer with various mental illnesses will spend some time in jail. that's an incredibly high number. it means there are millions of americans who need more access to this kind of care and simple live aren't getting it right

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candidate jd vance is once again defending his past comments about women without biological children or as he puts it, childless cat ladies. they come from three years ago, vance attacked women who don't have kids and after randi wine gartner. senator vance defended himself in wisconsin yesterday. >> i didn't criticize randy wine gartner for not having kids but wanting to brain wash mine. if she wants to brain wash kids, she ought to have her own and leave mine alone and i believe that by the way. >> wine gartner's union is backing kamala harris and responded to vance on "deadline: white house" yesterday. >> somebody doesn't have to be a parent to be a great teacher. so many nuns in parochial schools are fantastic teachers. it makes the job of teaching and learning, the connection between parents and teachers and kids r it makes a it harder and that's why it's gross.

>> joining me now former republican governor presidential candidate john kasic and former democratic congresswoman donna edwards. donna, let's start with you. vance said he's being sarcastic but overall his attack line has beenck that democrats are anti-family. do you think that message is getting t through? >> not at all. in fact, i think rather than being sarcastic, he has to -- jd vance really needs to take a look at what they want their campaign to do. most campaigns are about expanding the electorate, aiding not subtracting. every time jd vance makes one of theseke statements or so-called clarifications, he alienates another group of voters. you know, i have to say, i mean going after women who don't have children, that's a large swath, whether by choice or by chance, of the electorate. i just don't really see how this advances the cause of the trump

campaign but that's not my job to determine. >> governor kasic, i do think it's a little interesting, jd vance, before he became a politician, in a part of his identity was going on these conservative shows trying to make headlines. he wanted to go viral with some of the things he said. maybe he wouldn't have said these things if he was a presidential or vice presidential candidate. but now he finds himself in a situation to try to explain it away, but he seems to be doubling down on this. is this helping the republican cause and does it hurt him with femalert voters? >> well, of course, it does, and look, we have something going on here. you have this -- what has just come out this tape of vance, he should apologize, you know, he doesn't even seem to want to kind of walk it back, which i don't really understand, and then you've got trump here over at arlington cemetery and all the news is about those guys. if the news is all about them and it's not about kamala harris and what she stands for or flip

flops or whatever, how are they going to win an election doing that? so, you know, they're really, really out of step, and it's still, you know, we're not to labor day but we're right around the corner. they've just lost their footing. because in order for them to win, in my opinion, they've got do make the case that harris has flip flopped so much, they need to make the case on the economy, about what's happened over the last three and a half years with inflation and real wage increases or the lack thereof, but if it's all about what vance said, you know, or whether it's about trump being, in -- how d you go to arlington cemetery and causeto a problem? then you see they're missing the boat. >> jd vance actually, governor, was speaking in the last few minutes at the international association of firefighters union in soboston. he did what you think he should do, hehe did go after biden and harris on the economy and crime, but he was booed when he said he and trump are the most

pro-worker republican ticket. let's take a listen. >> president trump and i are proud to be the most pro-worker republican ticket in history and i want to talk about why we're fighting for working people, why we're going to fight for unions and non-union alike. >> i kind of wonder, the boos aside, this may not have been a friendly crowd, this is a union that's endorsed president biden in the past. >> sure. >> they haven't endorsed anyone yet. is this what you're talking about? you have to go to these people and make a case, right? >> well, i mean where are you going to go? what's the venue? so now you're bringing up the fact that here's this guy saying this and getting booed, again we're off the subject. lack, i think republicans want to do a better job of being able to i a tract members of labor, and in some cases they've had elections where they've been able to do it. i look at youngstown, ohio, ryan, you're familiar with

youngstown, heavy blue collar and it's been going republican, but it's more difficult to go at the leadership of the unions and try to shove something down their throats. they're not going to buy that. this approach by republicans has to go on over a long period of time and it's a challenge for them to be able to do that, in my opinion. i mean, look, all those workers are l important, but you go to union place and somebody who you know is not going to endorse you and start making those charges, it's not going to work. >> yeah. so donna, on the other side of the coin here, and to governor kasic's point about the economy, itou does appear poll after pol shows voters are frustrated by the economy. they're frustrated by inflation. it's a top issue and republicans have been pretty effective at putting that at the feet of the current administration. is there a way for kamala harris to convince voefrtsers she would be different from joe biden when she's been his vice president this entire time? >> i think she made that case,

frankly, at the democratic convention, and i think thecr w thaton you see that measured is that she is not being painted with the same brush, fairly or unfairly, that president biden was when he was at the top of the ticket, that voters are willing to give her a fair shot in making her case on the economy, prospectively looking forward, aboutti what she would do. she's laid out an economic agenda that's about curbing costs and decreasing inflation, and i think that that's an important case to be made to voters. an look, i think workers across the board are going to look to see who is going to be on their side. and at the end of the day they're going to t conclude a g who is a union buster, who stands in the way of working people, is not going to be on theiroi side. i think kamala harris has an important argument to make, and she clearly is making some headway there. >> and how important is this interview she has tonight and then the debate next month?

>> well, i think it's really important, and she knows that. k look, she came out of a very successful convention, she and tim s walz, just like president and vice presidential nominees were many decades is going to sit with this interview, answer some more detailed questions on the policies that she's already laid out, and i think that, you know, this is good for her to do, and i'm sure that there will be many more of them, even leading up and after following the debates. >> governor, i'll let you have the last word. >> i think she should not have her vice president sitting there with her. she should be letting people know who she is. i don't think she made the case at the convention for what she's going to do with the economy an that's the vulnerability she has and trump has. if all we're going to do is talk about childless women and what happens at arlington cemetery,

they're not making that case. that is not -- and if you go to the wrong place to deliver an economic message, that doesn't work either. she's got a lot to say, and i'm really -- i think she should have done this without anybody sitting next to her. it's difficult to do follow-up questions when you have somebody else there. maybe they'reso wading into the water. look, we're 69 days away and people have a right to know exactly, precisely, what she's going to do. >> yep. we've got to leave it there. johnve kasic, donna edwards, thk you both. and that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." remember to follow the show on social media @mitchell reports and follow me on x at ryanobles. i'll be back tomorrow. chris jansing reports starts right now. good day. i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city.