unhappy passengers there. as you mentioned, it's a holiday weekend. there are lots of people traveling on the roads, at airports. tsa expecting to screen some 17 million folks, and on top of that, we got bad weather circulating out there. follow the rules of holiday travel. get places early. expect delays. i will give you priscilla's pro tip for this holiday weekend, which is that no matter what you encounter, try to enjoy yourself. it is the last days of summer. let's just soak it up, chris. >> i refuse to accept that that it's the last days of summer. otherwise i'm on board. priscilla thompson, thank you and have a great weekend. join us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. eastern. our coverage continues with "katy tur reports" now. >> good to be with you, i'm katy

tur. kamala harris is on day two of her georgia bus tour, and donald trump is on day two of a particularly wild set of controversies even for him. we'll get to harris in a moment. first, here's what's happening in trump world. he's campaigning in michigan and wisconsin today, presumably there to talk about jobs and the economy. instead, though, the headlines are about his photo op in a restricted space in arlington cemetery. the campaign was told of the rules against political filming days ago, and the pentagon is going on the record to say a trump campaign staffer physically shoved an arlington employee, a woman who was trying to enforce those rules, in their words abruptly pushed aside. the trump campaign says the staffer was suffering from what they called a mental health episode, and now j.d. vance is yelling at vp kamala harris for criticizing donald trump over it. except vp kamala harris has said nothing regarding the incident.

>> to have those 13 americans lose their lives and not fire a single person is disgraceful. kamala harris is disgraceful. a story out of the 13 brave americans who lost their lives, it's that kamala harris is so asleep at the wheel she won't do an investigation into what happened, and she wants to yell at donald trump because he showed up. she can -- she can go to hell. >> there's that. there's also this, a spree of truth social posts, including 15 posts where trump promotes qanon, and an image of his perceived rivals in orange prison jump suits with the caption, how to actually fix the system. one with an image of former president obama that said all roads lead to obama. retruth if you want public military tribunal, and a put down of his 2016 and 2024 opponents, here is that image with the put down blurred, and here is what it says, quote,

funny how blow jobs impacted both of their careers differently. joining us now in potterville, michigan, where trump has returned to the campaign trail as nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyardment -- vaughn hillyard, and mark leibovich. truth social is not a space that a lot of americans see because it doesn't have a large following, and the campaign, according to reporting, has felt good about that. it allows donald trump to off gas some of his wilder things. except this is getting out into the public domain. how is the campaign explaining what he's promoting from qanon to the idea that a woman only got her job because of a sexual favor to a man? >> reporter: i think we should be clear that the campaign doesn't try to explain it. instead they put on events like this one at a steel plant in michigan and tout it as being an

event that's going to focus on steel manufacturing, and jobs in michigan. you said there's a very specific base of individuals who follow truth social, the media platform of donald trump, and for those individuals, they are looking at content that is different than the trump campaign is tweeting out on x, if you will, who donald trump, about two weeks ago joined that platform. it's different content. on that truth social account, donald trump reposts content frequently. last month he called for the public military tribunal of liz cheney, for sedition and perjury of january 6th select committee members, members of congress, calling for the military tribunal of barack obama. the sexist and degrading post that you mentioned there about kamala harris and hillary clinton, interestingly, if you will, this afternoon, it appears to have been unreposted, yet,

the was up for about 24 hours. and it's not often that donald trump takes down anything, but he didn't take down any of the posts in which he called for the prosecution and arrest of jack smith. i think it's important here, our job, as you have on the campaign trail, katy, is to cover the republican nominee for president of the united states. while some may dismiss this as being social media reposts of memes, at the same time, these are words of donald trump. and speech of donald trump. and if he were to get back into the white house, he would have the department of justice where some of his strongest allies have called on him to use it in a way that's been untraditionally used in decades past, and that would be to have more authority over the actions of his attorney general, and he could order his attorney general to investigate and even seek a grand jury to prosecute and bring charges and indictments against the individuals who these social media posts suggest he should bring charges against here. so i think there's a lot of outstanding questions that donald trump has yet to frankly

face, katy, and the social media posts, i think, are the most insightful into the mind of donald trump. realtime they are happening from his keyboard, and two months out, i questioned here the extent to which the campaign who, as you noted, they don't respond. they don't dismiss this. they don't put his name on an intern, as they tried to do in 2016 for making the posts. these are for all intents and purposes the speech of donald trump through the medium of social media and memes. >> the speech of donald trump, we're seeing all of these reposts, when he does actually talk about what he wants to do when he's in office, what does he say about his political rivals? how far does he go personally when he's talking about what he wants to do or what he believes he has the right to do? >> reporter: on stage he says that the district attorneys who are prosecuting him, otherwise from the department of justice should be investigated for their

actions and has openly suggested there is cheating in the election of 2020, and he's already the groundwork that there is election interference, which online he has suggested amounts to be illegal ahead of the 2024 election here. at the same time, he is not as explicit verbally as he is on these social media posts. for instance, two weeks ago at bedminster i was able to get one quick question to him where i asked him whether he would order his attorney general to drop the two federal cases, election interference and classified documents against him, he said he did not want to talk about that right then but called them nonsense cases. over the last 24 hours, he has had multiple social media post where is he has explicitly said that the federal cases against him and the indictments and the charges against him should be dropped here, and so i think that's an outstanding question that journalists who question donald trump will be asking him over the next two months, and of

course i think the anticipation would be that we would hear some of these questions to him at the debate on abc in two weeks, and potentially a third debate in which donald trump has previewed on nbc later this month. >> i don't want to amplify the derogatory nature of these social media posts or the conspiracy theories, but i think it's important to be clear about what he's saying, and to not sanitize trump himself or not clean it up for the viewing public because the viewing public are the people who will be deciding how they want to vote in november. it was the same calculation that we had in talking about donald trump in 2016, with the "access hollywood" tape, and it's been a calculation that we talk about every it feels like often when it comes to what donald trump says regarding a whole host of stories. is it different today? is it different today going into this election? is he more responsible for words to voters than he used to be?

>> one would like to think he was when the access hollywood stuff came out. there's been a pretty low standard that he's held to from the beginning, and obviously his supporters will forgive him for the lot of things. i think what's interesting, like 2016, "access hollywood," he's running against a woman again. it's a lot of trump. it's a lot of things to be exhausted over. look, he actually does, if he wanted to be a disciplined candidate in a disciplined campaign, i mean, there are three pretty core issues he could be sticking to, it's the economy. inflation, it's immigration, that we are not going to be talking about today, no matter pretty much what he says today because it's arlington, it's these truth social posts, and you just know if there are cooler heads and more responsible heads prevailing inside his campaign, and republicans who know better but

aren't going to say anything, they have to be exasperated by this. this is another wasted news cycle, if you will. >> is the arlington story on par with the way that he's being derogatory toward kamala harris? we heard him early on go after john mccain, i don't like losers, i like people who don't get caught. this is him in arlington cemetery, in a space that the pentagon says, arlington says he's not allowed to be in with the camera for political purposes. the family invited him in there. the family of the man in the other grave is upset. they don't want to be part of the political campaign. there are veterans that are fans of donald trump, there are others who say this is too much, too far. there's news from the pentagon that there was a physical altercation. that one of the arlington employees, a woman, was shoved, they say, by a trump campaign aide. shoved, physically assaulted. >> yeah, i mean, it sounds like obviously we're trying to figure

out what's going on here, but, i mean, it's an outrage in the same way this is hallowed ground, let alone calamitous things are supposed to take place. john mccain's war service, suckers and losers, and go down the list. this is stuff that would have theoretically ended the career of any other politician to the point, you know, until donald trump walked on the scene of all of this. yeah, i mean, again, this is, again, a familiar story. i think, though, that it is framed in the context of eight more years of this. a lot of exhaustion, and also an opponent that not only is she a woman, but also someone who is running a very kind of different tenor of a campaign. i do think that the harris campaign has been definite in not taking debate, not amplifying it more. it's been detrimental to donald trump, and also continuing to sort of pound on a joyous

campaign, not focus too much on trump as maybe biden did, and sort of hope it propels you forward as it has this summer. >> offer an alternative. mark leibovich and vaughn hillyard, thank you. i want to go to mike memoli who's in savannah with the harris/walz ticket, campaigning. this is the rally they're ending their bus tour with. you heard mark talk about how kamala harris isn't respond to go a lot of this. j.d. vance told her to go to hell for being upset with donald trump for what happened at arlington cemetery, but kamala harris hasn't mentioned any of that. is she going to? >> reporter: first let's talk about what the harris campaign wants to be talking about today. we'll see the vice president after this interview with cnn hit the bus tour again. small businesses talking about the important issue of the economy, and then she's going to come here to this arena where she wants to lay out that contrast argument, talk about project 2025, the governing

blueprint as they argue the trump/vance ticket. contrast that dark and dangerous vision with what they are calling a patriotic and optimistic agenda. it's been a week since she accepted the nomination in chicago. laid out a high level view of how she would take the country forward, but we hope to get more specifics now as she's back on the campaign trail. we know when you don't do a lot of interviews, those interviews can make a lot more headlines and news. we know our colleague, dana bash is going to have probing questions of vice president harris and governor walz. this dust up over what happened in arlington is going to be part of what that conversation looks like. that will be an important part of the headlines to come out moving forward. the harris team is building on the momentum, on the energy. you can get a sense of it around me, katy. the last campaign event i went to was small. it was supportive of president

biden, the nominee of the democratic party, and nothing like we have seen here. >> i went to the biden events in the 2020 election cycle, and they locked all of us down. they were all very small. didn't stop him from winning. we'll see if these large crowds helped kamala harris. i want to play a little bit from savannah voters talking about the harris/walz campaign. >> i think most important is abortion rights for females. yeah, i think that's one of the major issues right now, conflicting most of our country, right? the younger generations doesn't even have the rights when i was a teenager, so it's gone backwards. >> from food to gas, housing, everything is through the roof. go with something on a tax break, you know, or something to help all levels of life.

>> i would like to hear policies as it relates to education and how that's going to impact our future as far as our children . >> that's what savannah voters want to hear about. savannah is a reliably blue city. how were the stops in the redder parts of georgia? >> reporter: what we saw yesterday, katy, is a constituency work that has campaign has to do. a high school in a rural county, joe biden won by a few points more. the harris campaign wants to win by more points and keep building on these margins. these small gains on the margins in parts of the state that haven't seen campaign activity can make the difference when you think about the margin in the state which was just under 12,000 votes. these are not necessarily examples of the harris team going into a room full of guys wearing red maga hats. they are finding their democratic voters where they are, even if they are not in the

big cities but in the rural areas. yelled was more of a continuation of the vibes message. you saw them talking to the marching band at the high school. harris talking about how they are the future, how they make individual noises, together they make the symphony. that's different than what we are seeing yesterday. talking to small business owners before she gets here, and talks more about project 2025. they are leading into the same similar message as the biden campaign before. project 2025 may be a policy discussion. we don't often have policy debates, one that does move voters and one they are putting on the air, not just in battleground states but the palm beach media market. >> indeed, mike memoli, thank you very much. still ahead, no longer taking the high road. how democrats are balancing making donald trump a joke while also warning that he is a threat. it's a tight rope. plus, amy walter joins us on a widening set of electoral

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even before i ask a question. >> well, you know, katy, i was listening to the last segment and mike memoli, a road warrior, honey, somebody send mike memoli a starbucks gift card, and this conversation about donald trump, and how much we -- just how he's evaded all types of accountability when it comes to the things he says i believe is a real one. and when i saw what happened in arlington national cemetery, we're now learning more about it, it, to me, speaks to the very heart of how there used to be things we all agreed on. we used to just all agree, we didn't need a briefing about how to revere and respect our service members and the people that died for this country. and it wasn't partisan. there are some things we used to agree on that now partisanship is being injected into it in a way that one particular party, the republican party apparatus

right now would have you believe that there's not anything wrong with what they're doing. and that is a very dangerous place to be. they're telling us not to believe what you are seeing with your own eyes and hearing with your own ears and what you know to be true in your heart. >> i want to ask you about how the democrats are trying to push back against this. and they're taking a double path, and the first step is to mock him, to make fun of him, to try to take the power away from him, make him smaller. calling him weird, barack obama on the stage at the dnc, michelle obama, trying to make them look small, both donald trump and j.d. vance, but then also trying to emphasize to the american public that they may be small, but they're dangerous, people who, if you give them the chance will come in and take away more rights. they will gut out the federal government, and not in a good way to help people. and that donald trump might not leave office at the end of his four-year term.

they're trying to say all of that. how do you balance, this guy's a joke with this guy's a threat? >> well, you just put it very clearly to me, which is why i think the weird phrasing, frankly, there were some, i think, pieces of apparatus that took it too far. you will notice you never heard the level of snark you might have seen in the press releases from the vice president herself. you did not hear the level of snark that you may have seen on the internet from some of the campaign officials, from governor walz himself. he went to a fundraiser, one of the first on the ticket in boston, and said weird was an observation, i made. he said, yes, they are weird, and also dangerous, and then launched into this whole spiel, if you will, about foreign policy. for donald trump, it's important for democrats in relation to donald trump. it's important if they continue to put him in the driver's seat. you cannot allow donald trump to become a passive figure, which

is why the project 2025 focus and the way the campaign is attempting to thread the needle is key. an ad that the campaign is running, they are saying donald trump, not that project 2025 is dangerous, and therefore so is donald trump, donald trump is dangerous, and because he's dangerous, project 2025 is dangerous because it's real. that is the way in which to not let him off the hook. it's not all of these other people, and donald trump is a passive figure that does not have his faculties about him. he seems deranged, off his rocker, off his kilter, he's not the same person he was 15 years ago or 4 years ago, the sentences are incoherent. he is quite clear about what he would like to do. who the president is matters and who the people are that work for the president matters. the campaign is putting donald trump in the driver's seat so he can not passively say, i don't

know about all of these things that are happening, he is at the top, and he is still in control. >> i want to play something from a jesse waters, from fox news. something he said yesterday about kamala harris. or a couple of days ago, let's listen. >> this is where the president has the most impact. a lot of room to maneuver there as commander in chief. we don't know what she believes. she's going to get paralyzed in the situation room while the generals have their way with her. control her. not in a sexual way. there's been some attention to comments i made on the show yesterday about vp harris, people are misconstruing my comments to mean something inappropriate. i wasn't suggesting anything of a sexual nature. vice president's harris's current leadership style could be an issue if elected. >> in another time, you might have said he didn't mean it but because of the way donald trump speaks and the way people have

been speaking about kamala harris, there's doubt that's sewn in there. how did you mean those comments, and i want to ask you, talk about weird, i want to talk about something david french was writing about kamala harris. he's very conservative but he has been writing effectively about why kamala harris is somebody that conservatives should support. he argues this, i believe that fear may be sufficient to beat trump, but only joy can push back maga back to the periphery of american life, and he wonders if the mood is changing yet again this election cycle. it was a populous mood in 2016, took people by surprise. is the mood changing again? and is joy enough to push back on not just maga but maybe the way that our politics has become so crude? >> i think joy speaks to hope. joy is something people can look forward to.

and joy is, by the nature of the word, enjoyable. it's something that gives you a good feeling. you would like to engage more. if you enjoy going to work every day, it doesn't feel like work. perhaps you will work a little bit harder. joy, i think, is very important for a campaign that is going to absolutely need people to turn out in droves. there's a turnout campaign. people need to be enthusiastic about casting their ballot by any means necessary, whatever voting tactics they find themselves confronted with, they need to be doggedly committed to casting their ballot. joy will aid and abet them. that being said, i think david is right, yes, absolutely. but joy is not enough. right? she's got policies. the campaign has these other things that people are looking for, but joy is absolutely critical. i think any version of the world, on any planet, had i

heard at any time, hearing what jesse waters said, i would have taken it the exact same way. it is clear to me that the republican party apparatus, the system, not everyone within the system but the system itself and a hot of people at the top and the power within the system are uncomfortable with women leading. they are uncomfortable with women having the autonomy to make decisions about their own lives. that's the root of j.d. vance's childless cat lady comments or his attack on randi weingarten and his attack on people that have no birthed children. your worth is anchored in what you can do with your body, and women are there to make babies and nothing else. if they're not doing that, why should they be able to speak. that is a very antiquated view of women's place in the world. and frankly, it is why representation matters. people need to know that the views of j.d. vance, of jesse waters, of donald trump, of a number of state republican legislatures across this country

who when asked about their stance on women getting life saving care if that life saving care is abortion have repeatedly said they need to birth that baby. the child's life matters. it is why it is really really important that women and men stand up and say, the kind of america that we are going to be, we're going to catch up with the rest of the world because there have been women commander in chiefs and leaders of other western democracies, america is behind. people need to beat back the comments, saying what jesse waters and others say is wrong, weird, and also dangerous. they want to take us back to a time where you and i wouldn't be able to have this conversation, unless a man gave us a pink slip and wrote a note saying it was okay to be on tv today. i take grave offense to number

of these comments. i don't want my nieces to think that this is the kind of conversation that is okay and allowed in this world and that the limitations and then a box that someone like jesse waters or j.d. vance or donald trump puts them in is the place they have to stay. kamala harris should keep having her joy, okay, keep laughing. >> you reminded me of what the lieutenant governor who's running for governor in north carolina said, mark robinson, abortion in this country is not about protecting the lives of mothers, it's about killing the child because you weren't responsible enough to keep your skirt down. got to leave it there. thank you very much for joining us. and with north carolina in play, the harris ticket has a new set of paths to win the electoral college. amy walters shows us what the paths look like. and israel continues its raid on the west bank, who the idf says it killed today. ay like dynamic charting and risk-reward analysis, help make trading feel effortless. and its customizable scans with social sentiment help you find and unlock opportunities in the market.

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tied across the sun belt swing states. fox news has vice president harris up by 2 points in georgia and nevada. and one point in arizona. the polling shows former president trump is up by 1 point in north carolina. all four states are toss ups with each match up in the margin of error. according to the cook political report, even safe blue leaning states like washington, minnesota, virginia, and new hampshire may be turning even bluer, moving from lean democrat to likely democrat. joining us now, publisher and editor in chief of the cook political report, amy walter. i'm sure the democrats are happy to hear about that, but they want to know more about north carolina. they want to know more about nevada. they want to know more about arizona. what's it look like? >> all right. well, you're exactly right. i mean, what we've seen over the course of the last four to five weeks, however long it's been, time is a flat circle right now, katy, when biden dropped down and harris became the de facto

nominee, you've seen movement all in one direction, and that is in harris's favor. so if you look across all of the battleground states, including those, not just the sun belt, but the upper midwest, rust belt states, on average, harris has improved over biden by about six points, trump's number has basically stayed the same, so where that gets us is a dead heat. in pretty much every one of those seven really competitive swing states. and it feels a lot like where 2020 ended, which was very very close races, decided really on the margins. in some cases, between, you know, 10 and 20,000 votes. >> do you have a sense of what's going to move things? is there an issue that will change voters' minds? >> yeah, it's really important to appreciate where we are, and i think the easiest way to understand it is to think about the harris campaign and the

trump campaign or actually, think about their candidacies as, like, being a team, being a football teams and for weeks, for months, i think, it's probably fair to say, the trump campaign had every one of its members on the field. the biden campaign did not. harris has a full team on the field, so does trump. their bases are both equally engaged, their voting bases. that's where we start the race, and the fight for the next 60 plus days is over the handful, really 4 to 5% of voters who right now fall into either undecided or third party. maybe they say they're not really sure they're even going to vote this time around. and those voters look different in different states, but i think overall, at least what we found in our polling in the swing battleground states is that those undecided voters tend to be voters who, this won't

surprise you, cross pressure between concerns about the economy and specifically worries about inflation. they were much more pessimistic in our polling in early august about inflation than the overall electorate. but they are also very concerned about donald trump's behavior, and those two things are the push-pull for a good chunk of those voters, so that's, i think, the important thing that we're watching, not just for the next 60 days, but how they're going to react to some immediate events, whether it is the interview that harris and walz are giving today to cnn or the debate that's coming up next week. >> i was going to say that it sounds like the debates might matter this go around. >> absolutely. >> let me ask you about down ballot races. we have arizona senate, ruben

gallego, up 56 to 41% over kari lake. jackie rosen above sam brown. north carolina governor, josh stein, 54% to mark robinson, 43%. are these down ballot races potentially going to have an up ballot effect on the presidential race? >> yeah, i'm not a big believer in this idea of reverse coat tails, but i think what is showing is a couple of things, the first is that republican candidates are not getting an automatic boost with trump's success. so voters aren't necessarily equating a republican candidate with wanting to vote for donald trump. it also reflects, i think, on just how much those republican candidates, especially in those states you mentioned have been out spent by the democratic candidates in those states. and that's what voters are

seeing and watching right now. they know who donald trump is. they knew who joe biden was. they were clear in their perception of him. they are trying to figure out harris. for the down ballot races, they have a better since of democrat because they have been on tv and in some cases, sitting incumbents. if i'm the republican campaign committee, my concern right now is that there are only 60-some days left to get that message out to voters, and they can start spending there, but the ground work has already been laid by democrats. >> as i understand it, the republican campaign committee is also pouring a lot of money into texas at the moment. i'd love to get your thoughts on texas, but i'm completely out of time. i'm getting yelled at. you're going to have to come back to talk to me about texas. amy walter, thank you so much. donald trump hits the trail

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the idf killed a well known palestinian commander in the west bank. in gaza, israel has agreed to short cease fires so health workers can vaccinate as many children as possible for polio. that's good news.

and all the while cease fire negotiations are sputtering on. with no clear end in sight, it's becoming unlikely a new president will inherit the crisis, and if that new president is kamala harris, what will her foreign policy be? joining us now, president and founder of eurasia group and g zero media, aaron bremer. i wonder if she has to deal with the crisis in the middle east, with israel and hamas. how is she going to approach it? i don't think she's going to be quite the same as joe biden. generationally, there's got to be differences in how she views israel? >> well, joe biden is singularly strong among recent presidents as a pro zion president, and he also has given prime minister netanyahu an enormous amount of public support to engage in military activities and

diplomatically the way he wanted to. i think that would be different from anybody else who is president, whether kamala harris or any other democrat or republican. so that's the first point is that biden is a bit of an outlier there. secondly, it was clearly a lot of orientation that's similar in terms of policies. you wouldn't see a harris administration suddenly throw israel under the bus. it would be a strong ally. defense support, intelligence support. harris's focus is less about democracy, less about cold war baggage. it's more about rule of law. it's more about common norms and support for international values. it comes from her prosecutor background. in that regard, she would be more sympathetic to international audit application on the ground for palestinians, a lot more supportive and sympathetic for the palestinians in gaza, given the massive humanitarian challenge.

i think there would be a difference in the way she orients on this issue. >> do you know anything about phillip h. gordon, jake sullivan, her foreign policy guy? >> yeah, sure. >> tell me about how he might influence her. what is his positioning? jake sullivan has had a huge influence on joe biden. obviously joe biden has been in the foreign policy sphere forever. but jake sullivan has been the lead on how to approach these crises overseas, ukraine, israel, hamas crisis. >> again, i also know jake well. he's an incredibly smart guy. let's keep in mind that in a biden administration, i don't care what your policy orientation is, biden is a foreign policy guy. has been for decades. in senate, as vice president, and as president. slowing down a lot right now. but still, you're working in a biden administration, you are following the president's lead on foreign policy. that would be very different in a harris administration. i think that there would be a lot more room or principals in

the cabinet to take the lead on foreign policy issues where they have expertise and responsibility. and i also think the importance of marshaling that, coordinating that, and coming to common positions with recommendations for the president will be very important for phil gordon and anyone else in that position under harris. having said all of that, i do want to mention that specifically on china, which in many ways is the most important u.s. foreign policy, certainly the biggest adversary for the united states globally, that's one where there's going to be a lot of similarity. jake sullivan is in beijing, just met with xi jinping in addition to the chinese foreign minister, and that is all about trying to ensure that there would be very strong continuity managing that the relationship, a relationship that has been under an awful lot of political stress from both sides. in a stable way, from biden to a harris administration, were she

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presidential candidate tulsi gabbard. gabbard endorsed donald trump on monday just a few days after donald trump got rfk jr.'s endorsement. he named rfk jr. and gabbard honorary co-chairs of his presidential transition team. if you're asking yourself what the fringe politician, those ones, do for donald trump, my next guest argues it's exactly that. they get voters on the fringes. quote, republicans see those voters as up for grabs in an otherwise polarized electorate. people who might vote third party or not at all but can be brought into the gop fold with the right care and attention. joining us now, the man behind that report, political reporter dave weigel. good to see you. tell me more about these fringe voters. >> yes, i can't think of another presidential campaign in modern history that has done this much to reach out it people who were going to vote third party. the theory behind this is that there is a republican base, a trump base that is fairly strong. he's polling better, higher

favorables than he did in 2016 and 2020, and he loses no republicans, loses no moderates by promising not just -- not just kennedy and gabbard but going to the libertarian party and promising them he's going to deliver on some of their key issues. he is now -- if you're a social conservative who was unhappy a year ago when ron desantis was talking about rfk and his administration, the trump campaign bet is that you're not going to be unhappy now. you're on board with trump, and you're going to be fine with him giving kennedy some sort of undetermined role in trump 2.0. >> joe rogan listeners, you argue it's pro bitcoin, tech reactionaries, to green party leftists. when you say bitcoin, i think of donald trump. he said, i'm going to be the best president for bitcoin, period, ever. it does seem to be targeting a very specific set of voters. are these voters reliable? can you actually turn them out for a presidential contest? if they were going to vote for rfk, do they say, oh, rfk's with

trump, i'm going to vote for trump? >> well, by definition, they're not reliable voters. look what happened to turnout between 2012, 2016, 2020. there are a lot of people who were not engaged and came out for trump. they have not come out for republicans in elections in between. so the question about this is how many people are there to activate that weren't activated at some point in the last few years. a month and a half ago the argument was the voters were coming out because of the trump assassination attempt. that elon musk's super pac, it's added to voters about -- the assassination attempt thinking this was a way into those voters. but it's very transactional. something the democrats have not tried. the democrats have been part of efforts to challenge the ballot status out west with jill stine. they have not been saying we're going to meet jill stine halfway, add cornell west to our transition team. donald trump is say figure your issue is cryptocurrency he's

flipped completely from where he was when he was president. he's been to the bitcoin conference, libertarian party's conference. he wants the america to be home of the currency, made in america bitcoin. and he's going to put a libertarian in his cabinet. that is a big offer. and the libertarian convention, which i covered, that was a pretty skeptical reception he got from people who normally do not like republicans, do not like the trump record especially when it came to covid. and they were not convinced that if they elected trump this time he was going to do any of that stuff. but there are voters out there who are hearing trump reboot, and they are undergirding all of this, that in the first term trump had the wrong advisers, the old gop. he had the deep state he didn't understand. when he comes back, trust him. he knows how to get past these people. >> also here's what one of the libertarian voters told us, "i would rather eat my own foot out of a bear trap than vote for

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