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we're going to see her address supporters in savannah before the end of our program in what amounts to the culmination of her trip in that state. she'll do so having just recorded a sit-down interview alongside our running mate, running mate tim walz. a fact that is for some reason a sore spot for those in donald trump's orbit. of course should we get any advanced look at that interview, we're going to pass it along to you as it comes in. meanwhile, on the other hand, donald trump is spending his afternoon making lewd remarks about harris on social media and promising to no one in particular to make the united states the crypto capital of the planet. whether or not that will resonate with most voters is as of yet unclear. but what is plain to see, a week after the democrats made their nomination of harris official, is that this race is a certifiable dead heat. who could have predicted this just a few months ago? vice president harris now up five points over trump

nationally in the "usa today" suffolk poll. an impressive number that is still inside the margin of error. put it up against the latest sunbelt swing state polling from fox news, harris and trump tied among registered voters in arizona, georgia, nevada, and north carolina. a state, by the way, that will begin sending out absentee ballots a week from tomorrow. so it is ready or not, election day here we come. that is where we start today with nbc news white house correspondent mike memoli at the site of tonight's rally. with me, professor at columbia university and msnbc political analyst, and the reverend al "pitics nation" and president of the national action network. it has been quite the 24 hours, mike memoli. i'll start with you. you have been there in savannah at this event where the vice president expected to speak. if her schedule hold, as i mentioned, we're going to be hearing from her before this program is over.

but preview for us the message she is making in savannah to those voters. >> you get a sense of the general message of the harris campaign here in georgia by looking over my left shoulder. you see the banner that says a new way forward. the vice president may be the sitting vice president, but she is absolutely running as a change agent here. and it's interesting because when she does get on stage, the harris campaign saying she is going to lay out very clearly what voters have to choose between in this election. what she is going to call the dark and dangerous vision of project 2025. the governing blueprint for former president donald trump and her patriotic, optimistic vision that she says she's going to be putting before the american people. she's offering some more policy specifics. a week ago she gave an overarching view at the democratic national convention of the way she would take this country forward. just as she's continuing her bus tour leading up to this rally tonight, she told some voters,

some small business owners, in fact, that she is going to be laying out a new small tax credit for startup companies next week. so this is all her put something of the economic specifics on the table as she is very late to the party here as the democratic nominee. obviously a late shift, but you also can feel the energy, the momentum with this very large venue. this arena seats 9,000, not every seat is full, but it's still about an hour before the vice president arrives. people are still making their way in. the bus tour that she's been on with governor walz has been really about trying to show the momentum that the harris campaign feels they have in this campaign. when president biden was leading the ticket they were increasingly narrowing focus on the blue wall states, michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania. and had no path to victory unless he won again. harris starting in georgia, not a plates that recently -- place that recently joined the battleground map, but haven't

seen democrats campaign here for the presidency since 1992. so that's what the harris campaign is putting forward. of course the big headlines that may come out of the day, though, may be from that cnn interview. when you don't do a lot of interviews, that raises the stakes, puts an extra spotlight on those that you do. and certainly we're all looking forward to hearing what she has to say in that conversation with cnn's dana bash. >> we'll bring that to our viewers as soon as we get any sound from that. mike, i got to ask you about the enthusiasm here for a moment. we mentioned that new polling numbers that harris campaign will be happy to see, undoubtedly. what now? this trip was a big one. they've captured moment up coming out of the convention -- momentum coming out of the convention. any idea where they go with the limited amount of time that they have left because of the fact that she entered the race a little bit late? >> reporter: well, yeah. the campaign does feel that it has this momentum, so it can continue to press the envelope.

governor walz leaving georgia here now to go to north carolina, a state that donald trump won four years ago, where the harris campaign and the biden campaign before it always felt good about the chances of maybe flipping that. you even have the harris campaign going on the airwaves in the state of florida this week. now it was a very targeted campaign advertising by in the palm beach media market. we know former president trump lives there, and they were probably trying to send the message to him directly. there have been even conversations among the harris team about if this polling swing continues, if they get even more of a bounce out of the convention, that maybe that's a state that they can maybe put into play, of course the trump campaign to have to continue to spend resources where it shouldn't have or at least it doesn't think it should have. so consider this, four years ago, yes, we were in the middle of a public health emergency, covid crisis. but president biden only made one trip to the state of georgia. vice president kamala harris' running mate at the time made two separate trips here.

vice president harris has already been to the state seven times this year, and the campaign is indicating that she'll still find time here very often in the remaining 69 days of the campaign. >> as suggested, a state that is now fully in play for her and her campaign. mike memoli, thank you so much for starting us off. almost on cue, we now have that first clip from the interview that the vice president, kamala harris, has given to dana bash. we'll play it and get the reaction on the back end. this is her talking about her policy positions. >> how should voters look at some of the changes that you've made that you explained some of here in your policy? is it because you have more experience now and you've learned more about the information? is it because you were running for president in a democratic primary? and should they feel comfortable and confident that what you're saying now is going to be your policy moving forward? >> dana, i think the most important and most significant aspect of my policy perspective and decisions is my values have

says changed. you mentioned the green new deal. i have always believed and i have worked on it, that the climate crisis is real, that it is an urgent matter to which we should apply metrics that include holding ourselves to deadlines around time. we did that with the "inflation reduction act." we have set goals for the united states of america and by extension the globe, around when we should meet certain standard for reduction of greenhouse gas emissions as an example. that value has not changed. my value around what we need to do to secure our border, that value has not changed. i spent two terms as the attorney general of california prosecuting transnational criminal organizations, violations of american laws regarding the passage, illegal passage of guns, drugs, and human beings across our border. my values have not changed. >> my values have not changed. a powerful answer there from the

vice president. i'll get your thoughts on that because that was something that we knew probably was going to be brought up this questioning of potential change in policy. and a very powerful response that while you may change a solution to a problem, the value on issues like climate being a real threat, like immigration being a serious issue that need to be tackled has not changed. >> and let's get one thing out of the way, too, because there are a lot of critics who said, well, it was taking her too long to the interview, why is she -- guess what, george w. bush did an interview with his vice president, donald trump about an interview with his vice president. kamala harris is extraordinarily accomplished leader. she can do an interview. so i'm glad that she's -- she's done it. i think the answer is powerful because even if she is not terribly specific on the details, you should always, always address the larger values that are at places here. then you can actually talk to people, you can fill in the gaps and the blanks with those values

down the road with the details, as well. and so it -- it is i think imperative for the campaign to continue to push values because as people get to know her, that's what they're going to want to understand. yes, the policy details are important, but -- but can i trust you? >> yeah. >> do you share the kinds of ideas and values that i share as a voter? and the more she can communicate that, the more i think voter will feel more confident in her leadership. >> it's a stark contrast because as i said, it's the sign of a pragmatic politician, someone who knows things are changing, we're learning more about climate change, and now solution on how to deal with the border. this as opposed to pivoting and changing 180 degrees to something unfounded. >> and we also gain confidence when you have someone that deals with their values being firm but that will respond in time, in

the time that you're dealing, which may be different than it was three years before. so i think the naivety of the question she may have changed on some things, they're comparing something that may have been four years ago with something that was four years later. the situation changed. >> right. >> and i think that that is why it was so powerful for her to say my values haven't changed. the same values i said that in 2019 is what i'm saying in 2022, but i'm reacting to a different set of circumstances. and i think that that just eliminates that. and i think the political side of that that is powerful is she's running against people that have no -- >> right. you change -- running every day of the week -- >> 180 degree. you run as a guy, j.d. vance, who called donald trump a man like hitler. >> yeah. >> and said how he was of no

consequence, no moral values at all. now he's running as his vice president of the united states. now you're going to talk about a timetable with climate change and talk about a man talking about the same guy, the same politics, 180 degree the -- >> not to mention a president who ran on overturning roe versus wade, drew a sense of pride from it, and then once you overturned it realized it's bad for him politically. now he's trying to distance himself from that disastrous decision. let me get your thoughts on the polling. this is important for a moment. when we look at the polling, five weeks ago, this was unthinkable, this new math that has emerged for the vice president in her campaign. you know, five and six-point deficits in some races, also nationally erased overnight. completely different landscape. how does the campaign sustain that momentum? >> some of it's built in in part because before kamala harris was at the top of the ticket with

joe biden it was a very different campaign to the point earlier, circumstances very different. joe biden was saying, you know, let's keep the ship running in the right direction. this is now a changed campaign, as mike alluded to earlier. this is -- she's a changed candidate and a changed campaign. and i think as a result of that people's motivations are different, enthusiasm is very different because they know through kamala harris this country can go in a different direction than what donald trump is proposing. so i would say that it goes back to the point from before. she had been going into communities and making these trips beforehand. the fact that she's doing it now again at the top of the ticket and going into areas that democrats may not have been as great going into before, but making sure that they're contesting everywhere. i will say in georgia specifically, stacey abrams did a lot running for governor to go into the rural communities, talked a lot to black farmers,

for example, and made sure they are included in these conversations. but i think we see that strategy across more of america as they have been doing, more people get to know her, and the more they know her the more they trust her. and that is what we're seeing reflected in the numbers. >> so rev, you probably are more familiar with that part of georgia. what is the message that she should take to rural parts of georgia that are perhaps traditionally more redder than the areas where previous campaigns -- biden went down to georgia in 2020. focusing mostly on the metro atlanta area. you also had the important senate state -- sorry, the senate races there which obviously adds momentum to the race. they don't have that this time, so she has to come with a different message. >> i think she's got to talk about things that they're concerned about in terms of the cost of farming, those still dealing with that kind of economy, or the cost of how they deal with travel there. you know, when you're in rural

areas, you're not talking about mass transit. so gasoline prices mean a lot different there. and i think she can address that. i know those areas because of the ahmaudarbury case. we stayed there a while. in terms of her dressing these rural counties in georgia is she addressed rural counties in california. she ran twice and won for the attorney general, state of california, and for the u.s. senate. so it's not like, you know, people from california they think hollywood, los angeles, san francisco. in between there you might be in a place like georgia. >> right. >> and she ran in all of them and got elected each time. >> even if you go to upstate new york, it looks a lot like some of these parts of the country. there are at least 30 counties in the state of new york that consider themselves rural. and when i was there as executive director of the party, you know, just going and talking

to those farmers. you know, when they're giving out squash at the end of events to their neighbors, you're like, why are you doing that? some of it we can't take to market because it's not shaped properly, we can't sell it. talk to may about the economics of that. just being there and showing up and trying to recruit candidates from those communities to contest in all of these spaces, everywhere there california, georgia, west virginia, yes, even upstate new york, all of that matters. >> yeah. certainly matters. it's a sign of confidence in the campaign that they can take that message and try to -- >> good fundraising. >> exactly, and compete for every vote in every part of the state. stick around, we've got a lot more to discuss. we'll be watching that big rally with the vice president out of savannah. that is expected a little bit later on. we'll bring it to you if it happens during this program. when we come back, while vice president kamala harris and tim walz are out hearing from voters, well, the republican candidate for president of the united states is spending his time sending out dozens of crude sexist, misogynistic, and

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thank you, guys. thank you so much. well -- [ booing ] semper fi. sounds like we've got fans and haters. that's okay. listen to what i say. i'll make my pitch. >> awkward to say the least. it is not going great for the trump-vance campaign as j.d. vance continues to hit the campaign trail with the energy of the by no one wants on their dodgeball team. donald trump faced with kamala harris' posed moment upum and shrink -- momentum and shrinking crowds, lashing out at kamala harris with post that range from sexist and crass to dangerous and, of course, just straight-up weird. "the washington post" reporting that, quote, donald trump amplified a vulgar joke about vice president kamala harris performing a sex act. he falsely accused harris without evidence for a security lapse that enabled a rogue

gunman to try to assassinate him. he shared a call for barack obama to face a military tribunal. he promoted explicit tributes to the qanon conspiracy theory. he hogged digital trading cards in an infomercial along with pieces of his debate night suit, and that, folks, was just in the span of 2 had hours. in -- 24 hours. in response, caroline levitt, spokeswoman, accused of "washington post" of focusing unfairly on trump instead of his highly successful policy changes in battleground states over the past week, calling them policy speeches quite honestly is a stretch. the harris campaign is using the time they've saved by not spending days reposting qanon memes to release ads highlighting her polypositions. they are talking to voters ahead of the first interview later this evening. joining us, vaughn hillyard in potterville, michigan, where

trump is hold not an event this hour. democratic congresswoman barbara lee of california. basil and the rev are still back with us. vaughn, let me start with you. can you preview what we expect to see from the president? obviously if we followed his social media posts it's insight to someone who is extremely troubled to say the least. >> reporter: right. usually the social media presence of donald trump is not wholly reflected up on stage. not to say that he hasn't focused message when he is on the campaign trail, but for donald trump you could say that it is a little bit less explicit than the sexist, degrading memes that he posted about kamala harris and hillary clinton. we've never heard him speak about military tribunals for liz cheney or barack obama. we've not heard him say the likes of jack smith should be prosecuted and charged or the january 6th select committee members. at the same time, that is what his social media posts have

said. and i think that the republican campaign would agree that social media posts that kamala harris makes as well as those that she's made in the past which they frequently cite themselves are words of the nominee and words of that individual. and so i think in our roll as journalists, it's to take donald trump seriously and legitimately for the words in which he speaks or the reposts in which he does on his social media account. we are expecting him to take the stage, however here at a steel plant here between lansing and grand rapids, michigan, in a matter of moments, before he makes his way to wisconsin here later on this evening. for the campaign, they are trying to set up an operation that gives donald trump the opportunity to win, and that is building out campaign events like this in these battleground states. but as you noted, he's having to go to places like georgia, like north carolina. this is an expansive map here. with just under one month until early voting begins, it becomes not only finite amount of

resources but also time in which a candidate is actually able to spend on the trail. that's why i think locations like this are noteworthy. we are in a more rural area, and this is a type of a place where he's going to have to juice his turnout among the particularly white electorate here in michigan in order to try to match his 2020 numbers and overcome kamala harris and the numbers that she is seeking to pull from other places across the state. >> congresswoman, trump has famously and problematically to say the least had a very tumultuous relationship with women. he goes after them in vulgar ways. he attacks them in racist ways. and they're very telling. those are his words. unlike other candidates, sometimes where the social media is somewhat manufactured by aide or advisers or strategists, we know that when trump posts on social media they are his own words, they're his own unfiltered thoughts. not like when he's speaking at a

campaign event. and it feels like we have reached even a new low for somebody like trump. it's hard to imagine there is low, but he has gone lower. your reaction to him amplifying these disgusting posts that we were just talking about? >> you know, first, it just shows us once again who he really is. these are disgusting posts. it's disgusting, it's sexist, it's racist, it's as low as any human being can go. and i think what's important is that the vice president as she says she knows his type. i know his type. i've been in rooms with men like this. and it's a distraction to the campaign. i think what's so important to recognize here is this is who he is, and to have this man in the white house is -- says a lot about, you know, his voters who i think are beginning to see who

he really is and women especially, independent women, women who haven't made a decision, men who have female family members, how can anyone tolerate someone like this in the white house? this is not about respect, it's about disrespect. this is not about ensuring that women are respected in a way that men are respected. and this is a denigration of women and girls. and who wants to have someone to represent this country on the world stage who has these horrible views? but it's, again, a distraction i think he thinks to turn the tide against a winning campaign, and we have to focus on what the agenda is, the message is of vice president kamala harris and tim walz so that we can make sure that every voter understands that they have to get involved in this campaign,

volunteer in this campaign, and get everyone to the polls to vote because this is another example of why we cannot have a donald trump in the white house. >> are you at all, congresswoman, surprised -- and i know it's hard after eight years of trump basically hijacking the republican party. are you at all surprised that republican colleagues have not come forward to condemn his comments, calling for a former president to face a military tribunal among other things? >> no, i am not surprised because i said earlier, i'm in the room with a lot of these men. and in many ways, they may not agree, but their views about donald trump are such that they're afraid of him. they don't have any backbone and don't want to call him out. and they just allow there to take place. -- allow this to taliban place. that's not patriotic if you ask me. they are being truly un-american by allowing this type of an

individual to run on an agenda that really is a very un-american and unpatriotic agenda. and they should say something, they should do something, and in fact the campaign of kamala harris and tim walz are moving forward in a positive direction, talking about the cost of living, the cost of gasoline and groceries and housing, making sure that people understand that they want to ensure that the middle class in our country is grown in a way that tax cuts for the middle class will help not only people and families survive but thrive. so their agenda is a positive agenda. it's not filled with hate like donald trump's agenda is, and his republican colleagues who won't step up and say something, you're known by -- associations that you keep and by the company that you keep. >> vaughn, let me get your thoughts on whether or not we expect the former president to talk policy at all.

you're on the ground there. is he showing signs that he may give some kind of policy, or it just the usual riff of grievances and going after certain medal of honor recipients and just kind of the same old usual great hits of trump? is he at some point going to say anything of substance? >> reporter: right, i want to -- we should be clear to your question, in terms of policy, donald trump has been critical of the harris campaign for not releasing a stable of policy positions if you will. donald trump in his campaign, especially talking about the economy, have put forward very little other than 10% on goods -- 60% on goods from china. and of course we're at a steel plant. we should expect he will tout the industry. when we're talking about tariffs we're talking about a attacks on american companies and consumers

when we're talking about the goods being brought into the country. donald trump has been light on policy positions otherwise. of course he continually talked about inflation, and we should note two years ago it was 9%, now it is down to under 3% here. and so i think that this is sort of a moment here where donald trump is looking at an economy that has stabilized to a certain degree. folks were called two weeks ago, there was a day the stock market fell by several percentage poirngts and yet -- points, and yet he called it the kamala crash. he put out a video of the stock market falling. we've seen it continue to climb to record highs. i think this is a campaign that you have seen try to find its stable footing and yet it is a struggle to find some of its sack policy positions and messaging around economy that is relatively stabilized, especially when you look comparatively to two years ago per se. >> i was going to say, you also have the one perhaps most

notable policy proposal is that of project 2025. something the campaign is now adamantly trying to distance itself from after it got a lot of negative attention, rightfully so. vaughn, thank you so much. congresswoman, thank you. no one else is going anywhere. when we come back, we'll show how the trump campaign is responding to his businesses 48 hours spent on social media. we'll be right back. ent on soci. we'll be right back. ♪ (man) yes! ♪ (vo) you've got your sunday obsession and we got you. now with verizon, get nfl sunday ticket from youtube tv on us and get every out-of-market sunday game. plus $800 off samsung galaxy z fold6. only on verizon. (jalen hurt) see you sunday. known for following your dreams. known for keeping with tradition. known for discovering new places. no one wants to be known for cancer, but a treatment can be.

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36 hours on his social media reposting slogans from qanon and reposting misogynistic, sexist content about vice president harris? >> well, look, i don't think your viewers at home are concerned about social media posts. i think they are concerned with the news of the day. the news of the day is that, again, gasoline prices are 50% higher today -- >> caroline? can you answer -- can you -- >> as -- >> do you know why he reposted that content? >> i haven't been able to talk to president trump yet this morning because he is calling in to media interviews. >> yeah. trump campaign spokesperson earlier today attempting to deflect questions about trump's offensive social media posts. we're back with basil and rev. before we get to that, i want to get your thoughts about j.d. vance for a moment. trying to speak at the same event that tim walz spoke, governor tim walz spoke about earlier. he wasn't booed. j.d. vance getting a little

boo -- some boos there. but it speaks to really like the fundamental problem that right now the momentum is clearly not with the trump-vance campaign. >> going back to something that congresswoman lee said, you know, the folks in that room have wives and daughters. and when you start using this kind of language or donald trump posting these things about kamala harris, how long before those posts directed at her start getting directed at your children, at your wives? right? so that i think is one of the messages that the harris-walz campaign has to keep promoting, that you may think that there is some distance between you and what trump is doing to the folks that he calls his enemies, but how long before that very powerful water hose turns on you? and i think that's an appropriate and strong message. >> and i agree. i think the politics of it is you're talking about

firefighters. you're not talking about people that you would think would be booing a democratic -- i mean a republican vice presidential candidate. so i think the real story there is that he probably never expected any booing at a firefighters' meeting. it shows that their message is not even resonating with what we would consider their natural base. and that should be scary to them. that might be why you see donald trump going off on social media. i think he has snapped, i really do. i think he's really -- i've known him had 0 years. -- 40 years. one of the things donald trump wanted was to project i'm the winner, i can beat them. when we were on speaking terms, al, i'm killing them. his ratings on his tv show and all. and he had complexes -- his father thought he was a loser. for him to get up every morning knowing he could lose this election and he's facing four trials, one he's already

convicted, and that he will go down in history as the ultimate loser, he has snapped. >> yeah. it's such an interesting point. mentally, this is a man who over the course of the last several weeks -- first of all here, now the oldest candidate, and he's definitely the one whose mental acuity is being questioned. you can't look at the past 24 hours let alone the last five weeks and think this is a man who's there. when you watch his speech, his convention speech, he rants and goes off the deep end. >> and he rants and goes off the deep end, and none of his handler, i don't care who they bring -- >> we saw the spokesperson, i haven't spoken to him this morning because he's too busy doing interviews. >> you can't control him. how do you have a candidate that your press people don't talk to in the morning before an appearance? and you're going to trust this man to be in the white house reading the intelligence reports? i mean, think about what you're

saying to americans. well, he's off -- he's somewhere in the bathroom sitting on the toilet doing truth social. i haven't talked to him yet. and we're going to hand him the -- the security of the country? >> does he wash his hand -- >> we know from the reporting about the people he's bring back into the mix, into the campaign, that the campaign now is in trouble. when you're calling corey lewandowski and trying to bring him back into the mix, it's a sign that the campaign is not running on our cylinders. when you have a spokesperson going on tv at 9:30 saying i haven't spoken to the candidate, he's doing press interviews. calling into fox news is not doing media interviews about your policy. >> no. this is also where the harris money advantage really matters because she can use that money while he's off tweeting from the restroom. you know, she can take the time, use the resources that she has, go into parts of the country that he's not going to go, force him to spend money to have to follow her now to wherever she's

going to kind of play catchup. at the same time, doubling down on that hate and anger. i said when kamala harris became -- joe biden stepped down and hoifrlz became timothy -- kamala harris became running, he's going be called child of god. we've seen that means. and it's going to continue. the more that he does that it shows the deterioration not just in him but also in the fabric of the campaign, whatever messaging is around him. so that contrast becomes really critical. and it's actually becoming more and more clear that here is a campaign of change in harris-walz versus a campaign of -- of not even make america great again -- >> hate. >> just of hate. deteriorating standards. misogyny and values. and i think the harris campaign just benefits from continuing to promote that. >> the big fear is exactly that.

you put all of that together, all of his behavior, and then you put him on the stage at the debate with this very polished, very prepared former prosecutor -- >> competent, yeah. >> if she hit the right button, they have no idea what he's going to say. >> yeah. >> i think that's the concern in trump land. he is the easiest person to provoke to just go off because he's starting from being going off. >> yeah. >> i think that that -- all she has to do is hit him right. if i was debating him, and you know i ran, i would start by say doing your parole officer agree that you would be here? i mean, he would lose it. he would lose it because he's coming with no -- >> is the industry strat gee for the vice president -- the strategy for the vice president to get former president trump to -- >> i have no idea. if i was there, all you got to do is poke at his loser image and that he's a convicted

criminal. i don't care what anyone says -- he was convicted. this is not indictments alone. and that will make him go off. >> that's why we've seen evidence of that. he didn't want the mics on because they know they cannot control him. and that anything he says is just going to continue to be fodder for the harris campaign and continue to poke at. and by the way, quickly, can we just talk about all of the black women who are in his life? >> yeah. >> taking it to him and how he cannot respond. >> yeah. you know that's getting under his skin. please stick around. we've got more to discuss. next, out of the closely watch state of georgia where every vote will matter, there are new voting rules that are frustrating officials looking to have a fair and safe election. one of the reporters following that story joins us straight ahead. that sryto joins ustraight ahead.

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it's an important story, not getting enough national attention. talk through what is going on in georgia and the connection that we're seeing between these three elected -- sorry, these three board officials and the trump campaign. >> so i think to understand what's going on if georgia we have to go back to may which is when the state election board, which is a five-member board that oversees the rules in georgia experienced a little about of a reorganization. and one member resigned. the speaker of the house appointed a new member. and it gave them a 3-2 kind of right-wing majority. and they started voting on rules that closely aligned with goals of either, you know, republican -- republican groups or the trump campaign or things like that. and so what we've seen since then is them try to change decades of law around certification, reinvestigate the 2020 election. all of these rules are coming, you know, very close to the

november election. and so what's upsetting everyone from these local officials, local county officials that i spoke to over the week in georgia, and all the way up to the secretary of state, is that when you change these rules so close to the election, you make it very hard for local election officials to carry out their job effectively. and what that does is possibly, you know, undermine either confidence in the elections, their ability to not make mistakes, their ability to train poll workers. some i talked to have to retrain poll workers to accommodate for these rules that were just passed. so that entire idea of election integrity that a lot of these rules are being passed on by the georgia state election board is actually undermining that very integrity to the local officials and to the secretary of state. >> rev, the chaos is part of the strategy here because they know the confusion that nick is talking about is going to lead it a little bit of chaos. you've got republican officials from brian kemp on to brad

raffensperger expressing concerns but not doing anything about it. at the same time you have trump singling out three election workers at rallies, basically praising them, callingle this bulldogs -- calling them bulldogs for defending democracy. it speaks to the synergy nick was alluding to between what the trump campaign wants to happen in georgia and what the election officials are trying to do. >> and the difference also is that one side wants the voice of the voters or the voting of the voters to be regarded, respected, and in fact to -- other one is looking for some angle that these votes will not be counted. and he's doing it at a time that he's called in the very same state asking for those 11,000-plus votes. and then when you have them talking about local officials not certifying elections, are we going back to florida in 2000 and hanging chads? i mean, this is scary because you could end up if this is not

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hi, everyone. i'm in for nicolle wallace. it is 5:00 in new york, and this hour we expect to see vice president kamala harris speak at a rally in savannah, georgia. the culmination of her buses

tour through that state. we will bring you her remarks when they begin. we start this hour with the firestorm of controversy around donald trump's visit to arlington national cemetery on monday. following a wreath-laying ceremony with family members of u.s. service members killed in the 2021 kabul airport attack during the withdrawal from afghanistan. two defense department officials tell nbc news a cemetery employee had a physical altercation with a trump aide who was trying to take photos at section 60. a very solemn area where service members killed in the iraq and afghanistan wars are buried. today the united states army, which manages arlington national cemetery, is out with a statement that is quite extraordinary. not just because of what happened but because it involved the aides of the man who wants to be commander in chief. the republican nominee for president. its, quote, participants in the august 26th ceremony and section 60 visit were made aware of

federal laws. army regulations and dod policies which clearly prohibit political activities on cemetery ground. an employee who attempted to ensure adherence to these rules of abruptly pushed aside. consistent with the decorum expected at anc, this employee acted with professionalism and avoided further disruption. this oinsz was unfortunate, and it is also unfortunate that the anc employee and her professionalism has been unfairly attacked. anc is a national shrine to the honored dead of the armed forces, and its dedicated staff will ensure public ceremonies are conducted with the dignity and respect the nation's fallen deserve. the cemetery employee did file a report but is not pressing charges. the trump campaign then attacked that official, going so far as to accuse her of, quote, clearly suffering from a mental health episode. in an interview with nbc's dasha burns last hour, trump reiterated that he was invited

to the day's events by the family of one of the fallen service members. now a new report from "the new york times" and added layer of disrespect. this photo taken in section 60 shows the ebbs president -- ex-president posing thumbs up with family members of staff sergeant darrin hoover, a marine killed in the kabul attack. the family of green beret master sergeant andrew markasano who died after serving combat tours expressed concern that trump's campaign it h filmed -- had filmed his grave site without permission. the sergeant's sister, michelle, said, "we fully support sergeant hoover's family and the other families in their quest for answers and accountability regarding the afghanistan withdrawal and tragedy at abby gate." she added, "according to our conversation with arlington national cemetery the trump campaign staffers did not adhere to the rules set in place for this visit to staff sergeant hoover's grave site in sexds 60

which -- section 60 which lays directly next to my brother's grave." his sister continued, "we hope those visiting this sacred site understand that these were real people who sacrificed for our freedom, and that they are honored and respected accordingly." we start with retired marine corps lieutenant colonel and founder of nikkei action pac amy mcgrandfather and columnist and contributor charlie sykes. at the table, host of "the fast politics" podcast and special correspondent for "vanity fair" molly jung-fast. great to have you with us. amy, i'll start with the photo op. arlington, some of most sacred and hallowed ground in this country and yet trump is posing with a thumbs up and smile and his aide is pushing cemetery employees who are just trying to get everyone to abide by the rules there. >> yeah. and isn't it a shame that the u.s. army has to come out with a statement?

isn't it a shame that the families of fallen service members have to come out and say please respect our family member? i mean, section 60 -- my husband and i both served, and we both have friends who are buried in section 60. it is a -- how do i describe it to people who have never been there? it is a place that is different than the rest of arlington national cemetery because it is a place where those who are buried there -- they were born in 1985. they were born in 1995. they are our peers. they are guys we went to flight school with, guys we served with in afghanistan. the only way i can describe it to people is it is a place where it is raw there. the family members are real. they're not your grandfather's brother. they're -- they're your father, they're your brother. and so that's really important and where it's so important to members of our military and for

donald trump to go there -- and the other thing i would say is of all the times that i have been to arlington national cemetery, i have never seen anyone stand over a grave site smiling with a thumbs up. you don't do that. >> it's certainly a picture that speaks for itself. i think anyone looking at it would be troubled by that. but charlie, you wrote in "the atlantic" about trump's pattern of disrespect when it comes to veterans and fallen members of the military. because you know, monday's wreath laying at arlington was in part trump's attempt to clean up the mess he has created and to establish some credibility as a champion of men and women at arms. but in the end, it merely served to remind americans how little he understand about service, sacrifice, and heroism. it seems this is a man who only sees everything, charlie, through the prism of how can this politically benefit me, how can i exploit this to my political end? couple weeks ago he was disrespecting medal of honor

recipients, and you clearly almost see a through line between that event and him trying to clean it up by saying let's get to arlington national cemetery, let me try to make a campaign clip out of this. >> yeah. i mean, that's the real disgrace is that -- this was all about donald trump and donald trump's campaign. this was a campaign stunt. this was a key photo op that he -- you know, that he planned. he had no respect or as amy says, the real men and women, the real tragedy. and again, this is so consistent. there is a through line of his career. despite his aggressive efforts to avoid military service himself, you know, claiming that he had bone spurs, he has a long record of denigrating the service and the sacrifices of others, whether it's mocking john mccain's status as a p.o.w. or calling, you know, our fallen -- fallen heroes, calling them losers and suckers or telling generals he didn't want disabled

soldiers to be in his independence day military parade. you know, there's something -- and i said this this morning on "morning joe," there's something broken in donald trump that he cannot actually appreciate -- he understands the trappings, he understand how to go through the motions. he want to pose as -- as the champion of a strong military, but in his heart he can't understand why men and women put on the uniform and lay their lives down for something that they believe in like, you know, the united states of america. and this is a blank spot for him. i also say how truly extraordinary it is, the level of disrespect. you know, i have been to arlington national cemetery, you know, several times. and i have never seen on any occasion anyone act with anything less than dignity and respect. it is such a hallowed ground. it makes you -- when you enter those grounds and you see the ceremonies, you know, it --

wherever you come from you are in awe of that. and you are in -- you know, you will be as respectful as possible. here you have the former commander in chief, president of the united states, who comes in and decides he want to use these dead soldiers as a prop. i think that's why people are so disgusted. >> molly, the disturbing thing about this was not that he was there or how he posed for that picture, it's ultimately what he did with creating content for his campaign and politicizing section 60 which is fundamentally -- not only illegal but fundamentally the problem of what motivated that visit there. >> you know, in some ways this goes back to what charlie was just saying, right, trump can't imagine a nonpartisan -- just like in project 2025, they talk about firing all of these nonpartisan workers, right. they want to get rid of the people who are just professionals in the government,

who don't have a political view one way or another. and it really is trump can't understand this idea of just service. obligation. these are the things we do as americans. >> sacrifice. >> sacrifice. i think that's particularly disturbing. i would add this woman who works at the cemetery, she doesn't want to come forward because she's scared. >> scared of trump supporters going after her because they know what they would probably do to her. and given the fact that the statement that was put out by the campaign automatically just deferred to saying she had a mental health episode. just a very disgusting and shameful attack. >> you work for the army, you work at the cemetery, and now you're all of a sudden public, maga, public enemy number one. >> amy, i want to ask about the army statement which in and of itself is remarkable. and you know, i've -- been in journalism 20 years, i've never seen anything like this. the army statement included this fact which i think just sums it

up perfectly. the cemetery conducts nearly 3,000 such public ceremonies a year without incident. that is, of course, until donald trump showed up. >> yeah. and i think what is shows you is that with donald trump the guardrails are off. you know, when he was in the white house, he was for much of the time surrounded by folks like general kelly, john kelly, general mattis, h.r. mcmaster. people who understood service and sacrifice and were able to explain it to him or at least tell him, hey, don't do this, or you can't do this around the military. because he doesn't understand it, as charlie said earlier, he does not understand service and sacrifice himself. so the guardrails that once had him -- were around him in the white house are no -- nose folks are no longer there. and he has surrounded himself with, you know, people in his trump team that don't get it either. and this is who donald trump is,

and we know this for a while, but it's coming out right now as you saw with in incident. >> everyone stay with me. i want to cross over to georgia where vice president kamala harris is taking to the podium. would like to listen to her comments. and we'll tell the conversation on the other side of it. [ cheers ] >> good afternoon, savannah! [ cheers ] good afternoon. oh, good afternoon. oh, it's good to be back in savannah. good afternoon. [ cheers ] >> can we please hear it for caitlin and her incredible -- [ cheers ] incredible leadership. look, when i look out at our young leader like caitlin, i know our future is so bright. it is so bright. i want to thank mayor johnson.

thank you for -- there you are. we've been hanging out for the last two days. mayor, i thank you so very much for your leadership. thank you. congresswoman williams, chair of the democratic party of georgia, for your friendship and sisterhood. and to all the leaders with us today. good afternoon, good afternoon. good afternoon. i also bring greetings from our president and a great friend of the state of georgia, joe biden. [ cheers ] and let us also send our love to the great president from the state of georgia, jimmy carter. [ cheers ] so georgia, i love you back.

i love you back. and we have 68 days to go until this election. 68 days to go. and i think you all have spent your time here sacrificesing all your other obligations to be here together, us as one community knowing we all have so much more in common than what separates us. and i thank you for taking that time. [ cheers ] and listen, so we're here to speak truth. and one of the things that we know, this is going to be a tate race until the very end. okay? so let's not pay too much attention to the polls because we are running as the underdog. okay? and we have some hard work ahead of us, but we like hard work. hard work is good work.

hard work is good work. [ cheers ] and with your help we are going to win this november. we are going to win this november. [ cheers ] yes, we will. so look, georgia, let me say i'm no stranger to tough fights. before i was elected vice president, before i was elected a united states senator, i was an elected attorney general, and before that an elected district attorney. [ cheers ] and before that i was a courtroom prosecutor. so every day in the courtroom, i stood proudly before a judge, and i spoke five words -- kamala harris for the people.

[ cheers ] my entire career i've only had one client, the people. i stood for women and children against predators who abused them. i took on the big banks and delivered $20 billion for middle-class families who faced foreclosure. i fought against cartels who traffic in guns, drugs, and human beings, and i stood up for veterans and students being scammed by big for-profit colleges. for workers who were being cheat ed out of the wages they were due and for seniors facing elder abuse. i will tell you those fights were not easy and neither were the elections that put me in those offices.

but we never gave up because the future is always worth fighting for. [ cheers ] always. and that is the fight we are in right now, a fight for america's future. we, we fight for a future with affordable childcare, paid leave, and affordable health care. [ cheers ] and on that last subject, let's finally expand medicaid in georgia. [ cheers ] so people can take their child to a doctor or go to an emergency room without going into medical debt. we fight for a future where we

build what i call an opportunity economy so that every american has the opportunity to own a home, to start a business, and to build wealth and intergenerational wealth. [ cheers ] and a future where we lower the cost of living for america's families. so when i was attorney general, i went after price-fixing schemes. >> we love you -- >> love you back. love you back. and i will tell you, when we get this done together, my friend, and when i am president i will take on the bad actors who exploit a crisis to rip off consumers for everyday items,

who rip off consumers on everyday items like groceries. i will take on big pharma and cap the cost of prescription drugs and insulin for all americans. [ cheers ] i will take on the high cost of housing and work with developers to cut the red tape and build millions of new homes, and i will give 100 million americans a tax cut including $6,000 to families during the first year of their child's life. [ cheers ] understanding folks just need a little help from time to time. and it's not just about getting by, it's about getting ahead. $6,000 in the first year of a child's life could help pay for that car seat or the crib or the

baby clothes. [ cheers ] and unlike donald trump, i will always put the middle class and working class families first. always. i come from the middle class, i know what i'm talking about. [ chants ] and savannah -- we have some work to do, okay? we've got some work to do because we know donald trump has a very different plan. he has a very different plan. [ booing ] just look at his project 2025 agenda. [ booing ]

right. if he is elected, donald trump intends to give tax breaks to billionaires and big corporations. he intends -- he intend to cut social security and medicare. [ booing ] and he wants to impose what in effect is a national sales tax on everyday products and basic necessities. and it will cost -- the economists will tell you -- it will cost a typical american family nearly $4,000 a year. so georgia, on top of all of this, if donald trump wins in november he intends to end the "affordable care act." [ booing ] to take us back to a time when insurance companies -- we're not going back. [ chants ]

>> we are not -- we're going forward. and the reason we know we can't go back, to your point, the reason we know we can't go back, on the issue of the "affordable care act," remember what that was like before we had the "affordable care act"? remember when insurance companies had the power to deny people with pre-existing conditions? remember what that was like? children with asthma, breast cancer survivors, grandparents with diabetes. so yeah, we're not going back. [ cheers ] we're not going back. we're not going back. and we will move forward. ours is a fight for the future, and it is a fight for freedom.

like the freedom of a woman to make decisions about her own body. [ cheers ] and not have her government tell her what to do. and understand how we got here -- when he was president, donald trump handpicked three members of the united states supreme court. [ booing ] with the intention that they would undo the protection of roe v. wade, and they did just as he intended. and now 20 states have a trump abortion -- >> we seem to have a technical

glitch with the vice president's speech. we'll certainly try to get that reconnect and would bring it back live. quite a powerful speech there, molly, from the vice president. and you kind of really see the stump speech crystallizing. the first few minutes of the introduction about who she was, kamala harris, for the people. highlighting the key moments in her career as an elected official, both as a district attorney and ultimately as an attorney general, and then as a senator. and interestingly enough, i think moment where you really heard the crowd, what's at stake for us in this country. one of the most important moments and messages this speech, the chant forelected. a family for women's choice, reproductive rights. but also what's at stake with project 2025 and the undoing of our democracy. >> yeah. i mean, she has -- she's always been a really compelling speaker. remember, she comes from prosecuting criminals, so she

has always been comfortable. but what she has now is a style that is completely her own. it's a call of call and response. the audience, you can see, is electrified by her, and they really are connecting with her. and then the way smeex is very, very -- speaks is very, very clear, but also, you know, powerful. >> right. >> i think it's -- it's -- >> we have her back. let's take a listen. >> and when congress passes a bill to restore reproductive freedom as president of the united states i will proudly sign it into law. [ cheers ] proudly. and across our nation in addition to that, we are witnessing a full-on assault on other hard fought, hard won fundamental freedoms.

let me just -- let me just say something. hold on. hold up. hold up for a second. hold up for a second. let me just say something. let he just say something. we are fighting for a democracy, everyone has a right and should have their voices heard. i am speaking now, but on the subject i will say this -- the president and i are working around the clock, we've got to get a hostage deal done and get a cease-fire done now.

[ cheers ] so back to this election and donald trump. so in addition to the fight on the fundamental freedom to make decisions about one's own body, i have been traveling our country, and the people of georgia know what i know. there is a full-on assault on hard-fought, hard-won freedoms and rights including the freedom to vote, the freedom to be safe from gun violence -- [ cheers ]

and an attack on the freedom to love who you love openly and with pride. and we will fight against all of that including the freedom to live free from the pollution that fuels the climate crisis. here's the thing -- generations of americans before us led the fight for freedom. now savannah, the baton is in our hand. so we who believe in the sacred freedom to vote will finally pass the john lewis voting rights act and the freedom to vote act. we who believe in the freedom to live safe from gun violence will finally pass universal background checks and red flag

laws. so much is on the line in this election. so much is on the line. and understand this is not 2016 or 2020. things are different. a lot is the same when we think about the issues, and then there is significant differences. the stakes in 2024 are even higher because consider that the united states supreme court recently just basically told the former president that going forward he will be effectively immune no matter what he does in the white house. [ booing ] now just imagine -- the courts are going to take care of them.

we're going to elect ourselves and everybody here in november. but i mentioned the supreme court ruling because understand what this means. just imagine before there was at least the threat of consequence, understand what it now means and imagine donald trump with no guardrails. imagine what that means when you consider he has openly vowed that if re-elected on day one he will be a dictator. that he would end -- this he would end the independence of the department of justice so he could have unchecked power and seek vengeance against people who disagree with him. [ booing ]

he even called for termination of the united states supreme on the supreme land of our nation the united states constitution. think about what that means and let us be very clear. someone who suggests we should terminate the constitution of the united states should never again stand behind the seal of the president of the united states. [ cheers ] never again. so it all comes down to this -- we are all here together, spending this time together because we love our country. we love our country. we love our country. and we know the privilege and pride, the privilege and pride that comes with being american.

and i do believe it is the highest form of patriotism to fight for the ideals of our country. that is how we realize the promise of america. georgia, for past two elected cycles -- election cycles, voters in this very state, you who are here have delivered. you sent two extraordinary senators to washington, d.c., you sent president biden and me to the white house. you showed up, you knocked on doors, you registered folks to vote, and you made it happen. you did that.

you did that. so now we are asking you to do it again. [ cheers ] do it again. let's do it again. so are you ready to make your voices heard? [ cheers ] do we believe in freedom? [ cheers ] do we believe in opportunity? [ cheers ] do we believe in the promise of america? [ cheers ] and are we ready to fight for it? [ cheers ] and when we fight -- >> we win. >> god bless you, and god bless the united states of america. ♪♪

>> a rousing and electric 20 minutes of vice president kamala harris rallying up the crowd there in savannah, georgia. quite a remarkable speech if for nothing else, molly and charlie and amy, the sheer enthusiasm that was on display. and crystallization, if you will, the contrast of what has now become front and center in this election. we are not going back, you heard the thunderous chants from the crowd as she said that, promising that we will move forward. our fight is for freedom as she went through a list of what is at stake with our freedoms. the freedom of reproductive rights, the freedom from gun violence, the freedom to vote and promising to be the generation that finally passes the john lewis voting rights act. my panel, before i get to you, let me cross over to bring in mike memorial leap who witnessed

-- memoli who witnessed that in real time in savannah. i said it was a rousing and electrifying speech certainly for us here on the opposite end of that screen. what did you see? what did you feel? what did you hear? >> reporter: well, this arena sits about 9,000 people, and almost every seat was filled. we had even more on the floor. you're talking to somebody who's spent time on the road with president biden including a little over a month ago when he was fighting for his presidency. these atmospheres are jarring to see. it speaks to what the campaign feels is a momentum behind it at this point. this is the first time we really are hearing extensively from vice president harris since she gave that acceptance speech last week in chicago. and the beginning of tonight's remarks, we hearder arey had prize the biographical elements talking about her background. it's interesting to see in the way she leans much more heavily on her time as a prosecutor and work as attorney general even more so than what she did in the senate or as vice president. that's a part of laying out in

her view what she is fighting for and what she has fought for throughout her career. tonight's speech leaned especially more heavily into that contrast argument against donald trump. i have to say it's so striking not just with the vice president, her remarks tonight, but what we saw some of the other speakers ahead of her tonight. any time they even mentioned project 2025, the heritage foundation governing blueprint that the harris campaign is arguing would be how trump takes back the oval office and executes on it if he is elected, the crowd immediately boos. and it's -- it's worth highlighting that this is a policy focus on the part of the harris team. she laid out all the elements of what that blueprint represents, taking away the "affordable care act" when it's represented in terms of firing civil service and replacing them with political appointees. what it represents in terms. potentially especially heavily in this state she's leaning into what it means for abortion rights. and so it's interesting when you

combine tonight's rally with what we also heard in those early excerpt of the interview with cnn and some of the other stops she's made. the degree to which policy and in addition to the vibes and energy that you continue today are making up the aura of her campaign at this point. >> all right. mike, stay with me. charlie, let me get your thoughts. you know, one of the highlights of that speech that mike was talking about there was i think this powerful warning she is giving america, taking who donald trump is as this flawed character and all of his problems, coupled with the supreme court decision that grants him immunity, and really just simplifying this for the ordinary american. imagine if you take that man and give him this unmitigated absolute power that has now been given by the supreme court. the thought of that, a scary one for any american who's voting in this election. >> she framed it in terms of deterrence that the president would have to be concerned about

being held accountable, and that's been taken off the table. she linked that into donald trump's call in writing, on social media, for the constitution to be -- elements of the constitution to be terminated so that the election would be overturned and he would be returned to office. i'm glad they keep bringing this up because it is such an extraordinary -- an extraordinary, you know, episode. and sometimes i think we don't have the bandwidth to deal with all of the outrageous things. you know, when she says that anybody who's called for terminating the constitution should never stand behind the seal, that is at the heart of this campaign. and could i address something that mike was mentioning about policy? because you know, in politics when you're on defense, you are not winning. and i'm in the swing state of wisconsin. right now we are being -- we are being inundated with mailers like this one that came today in which donald trump is very, very anxious to distance himself from project 2025.

he says don't believe kamala's lies about trump's position on project 2025. trump did not write and does not support project 2025. so this is what they're spending money on, saying that he doesn't want to have anything to do with this which tells me that, again, he recognizes this as a significant -- a significant weakness. also, just a little while ago, donald trump says not only am i in favor of in vitro fertilization treatments, it's going to be free under a trump presidency. he is now moving to the left saying that the government will pay for in vitro fertilization or we will require insurance companies to cover it. now again, that is quite a backpedaling, and it puts him to the left right now of where kamala harris is. will be interesting to see what the pro-life movement feels about this latest episode of being thrown under the bus by donald trump. >> such at important point. amy, i want to get your thoughts

as someone who knows a thing or two about political stump speeches. i want your thoughts to this electrifying speech that we just saw. before i do that, i want to play for you another sound byte from the interview the vice president and tim walz gave to cnn a short while ago. take a listen. >> will you appoint a republican to your cabinet? >> yes, i would. >> anyone in mind? >> no, no one in particular in mind. i got 68 days to go until this election. i'm not putting cart before the horse, but i would. i think -- i think it's really important -- i have spent my career inviting diversity of opinion. i think it's important to have people at the table when some of the most important decisions are being made that have different views, different experiences, and i think it would be to the benefit of the american public to have a member of my cabinet who was a republican. >> amy, your thoughts on both that and how -- it's almost remarkable when we hear something like that. that's how we were used to our

politics, this kind of across the aisle it was the norm to have democrats serving in republican administrations, republicans serving in democratic administrations. yet all of that up-ended when donald trump came in because of the vitriol and just the amount of hate that he injected into our politics. that when we hear that, a normal statement, it is profound. >> it's profound, and it's refreshing. it's what people want to hear. you know, people that don't watch politics every day are sort of like just -- they turned off because they're disgusted by the mudslinging and how low we've gotten in political discourse. to hear that, i think most americans want that. they like that. what i loved about kamala harris' speeches and what you've seen since the convention and before then she knows that she owns patriotism versus donald trump. she knows she does.

when the other side is talking about throwing away the constitution, when the other side's former secretary of defense said he to stop him from using the military against his own people in terms of shooting them in protests, kamala harris knows this and is going to use it, and she's joyful about it. it's that joyful warrior. we are ahead for that. >> to pick up on the point, the framing of freedom had almost been monopolistically by them. i think there's been a remarkable shift to the vice president's credit and certainly to tim walz's credit. because they have reframed the word freedom in a way that they are the protectors of our freedom, protecting the government from interfering in a women's right to choose and her body, the freedom to vote for who you want to vote for, the freedom to love who you want to love without government interference. a truly remarkable shift in the

span of just a couple of weeks. >> yeah. republicans left this stuff on the field, right? they would trump saying america's a hell scape and saying he's going to terminate the constitution. this stuff was there for the taking, but i don't thinkdemptions had really figured -- think democrats had really figured out how to take it until harris-walz. they've done a really good job. you hear her -- stylistically she is so good at making things clear in a way that -- with a very short amount of time, and she makes it clear to listeners exactly what she's talking about. and then she pulls it back to trump and trumpism and project 2025 in a way that is really, really deft and smartly done. you really see that. walz has a totally different style but is also quite good at making this about -- when he says people should mind their own damn business. republicans for a long time could say they didn't want the

government in your business. now all of these republican policies are, you know, women -- women not having -- you know, republican politicians in doctors' offices. that stuff is not what anyone wants. so i do think it's -- it's really refreshing and sort of amazing to see them do this. >> yeah, very powerful recasting if you will. let's across over back to mike memoli who i know has new reporting on what i think a lot of people who are watching this are now going to be looking forward to which is the debate. they want to see kamala harris, the vice president, the prosecutor, this woman who with the remarkable gifted oratory skills that she just demonstrated go to the heart of what donald trump is and trumpism is bawl on that debate stage -- is all about on that debate stage. what have you learned? >> reporter: that's right. when you think about what we saw on stage, so many democrats felt that that was what was lacking in president biden's debate, also here in georgia in late june. and that's the way the harris team has been approaching these

preparations for that expected september 10th debate. and our lead reporter talked about two areas i think that we're focusing on. one this which he does wanting to go on offense as prosecutor making the case against donald trump on stage. not joust policy but also -- just on policy but also looking to get under his skin. they are studying the ways in which they think that donald trump is vulnerable to be his own worst enemy by making certain arguments that would provoke him to an overreaction that would play politically in their favor. that's one reason why we know negotiations are focused on keeping the micro phones open, not muting them when one candidate or the other is speaking. the other interesting thing i think is the ways in which they are preparing to address some of the vulnerabilities. there's one specific moment that we're told harris has been really mindful of from some of those debates we remember in the 2020 campaign. harris not even getting to 2020, in 2019, and it was when tulsi

gabbard, then a democrat running in the primary, really went aggressively after harris on her record as a prosecutor. that's a moment that they've been revisiting, that harris maybe wasn't prepared for at the time, was flat footed by those attacks, and is wanting to make sure she is better prepared for if donald trump goes -- use that's say playbob against her -- same playbook against her. one reason trump might try do that is tulsi gabbard, who endorsed donald trump, has been with him on the campaign trail but also with him in potentially preparing for that debate. the other thing that's interesting to note from my time traveling with vice president harris before even she was the democratic nominee, even before president biden's first debate with donald trump, she had begun work with her team to prepare for a vice presidential debate which had not yet been scheduled yet, and which she didn't know who she was going to be running against because trump hadn't made that pick yet. one of the ways they were beginning that preparation was to focus on using the vice presidential pick that donald trump would make, obviously

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democrats are reportedly going on offense in hopes of winning over undecided and some former trump voters. their biggest weapon, tim walz and his midwest roots. from nbc news, "the campaign sees an opening to reclaim images that have become associated with republicans, including hunting, football, and old-fashioned patriotism." joining us now, democratic california congressman and new harris-walz campaign co-chair, robert garcia. congressman, great to see you again. thanks for making time for us. let's start with what we're seeing today, the candidates in georgia, their first major event post-convention, at least of this magnitude and scale. what does that say about the campaign's chances and strategy in a state like georgia? >> well, i think, first, i mean, the campaign is so energized and is clearly firing people up across the country. we just saw that incredible rally in georgia. georgia, we are fighting to win, fighting to win really hard, and so it's really exciting, and just like you just said, amon, i

think this idea of talking about how much we love our country. you heard the vice president say multiple times during that speech that she loved our country, that what patriotism was about was improving our country, helping people. it's so critical that people hear directly from her how much she loves this country, how much her family has given back to this country, and i think that's what's exciting voters everywhere, and i think governor walz is also a great example of america's dad, the guy that we all know, loves football, goes hunting, and so this idea that somehow republicans have taken the flag or own the flag, it's just such b.s. we're at a new place now, at a place where democrats are leaning and as you're seeing, it's working. half a billion dollars in donations. tens of thousands of volunteers coming in every single week. she's visited 14 states, some multiple times since becoming the nominee. this is going to continue to go on and on through labor day.

we're going to have a great next few days in this campaign and a great next week and i'm excited to see how all the people react to all the great events coming up. >> let's talk about the debate, september 10th, right around the corner. we saw a moment of the brilliance of the vice president right now that a lot of people are excited to see. trump says he will be there september 10th, but there's been a lot of back and forth about the rules. the harris campaign has been pushing for mics to be unmuted. give me your thoughts on this, muted or unmuted, will the vice president be on the stage with donald trump on september 10th, and what can we expect? >> the vice president is absolutely going to be on the stage. she is ready to debate, in a sense since day one. what's unfortunate for donald trump is his campaign wants to mute him. they want to censor him. donald trump and kamala harris both want to have the microphones on. i think it's good for folks to see an unvarnished donald trump, but i think his campaign knows that the more that donald trump

speaks to the american people, the more they don't like him and remember about his chaos and dysfunction. he wants to speak so bad, and say all these crazy things. his campaign handlers, of course, may have different opinions. vice president harris is going to be there. she's going to make a contrast and remind voters that there is a binary choice in this election. and that is between a prosecutor, who believes in moving the country forward, and an inclusive america, versus a convicted felon and con man that wants to move the country back wards and enact his project 2025 agenda. either way, she's going to be there. >> give me your thoughts on the debate and the messaging. you and i were talking about this earlier, about how this is a side of the vice president that i think most americans did not see, did not know about when she was the vice president or just the vice president, as opposed to being the head of the democratic ticket and the nominee. but now they're seeing a side to her that i think has really

changed the discussion and the calculation around her. >> yeah. well, and you'll remember, she shot to national fame when she was a senator. i mean, even before that, she was known, but she was famous for doing these interviews with these members of the trump administration. >> kavanaugh, jeff sessions, bill barr. >> and having them stammering. so, i think that this dynamic makes me think she's going to wipe the floor with him. look, he has -- at this point in the campaign, i think trump really wants a reset, and i think he thinks that there's a chance that this could be that. but it seems to me completely delusional. i mean, when you listen to her, she is really, really, really sharp, and remember, trump has been running on mental acuity. he's been running against the oldest person to ever run for president. well, now, the oldest person to ever run for president -- >> is him. >> exactly. >> and not making much sense. i think his speech in michigan

going 90 minutes behind schedule, rambling on. congressman, let me get your thoughts if i can about where the campaign goes from here. we have been talking about how some states a few weeks ago that were not in play are now in play, states like georgia, north carolina, even arizona. what's the strategy to bring those states and perhaps others into play more so? >> well, i think, first, your going to see the vice president and the governor in all of these critical states, and you're going to see them again and again. it's important that we compete with knowing that we are the underdogs in this race, and i think the vice president has been very clear to the country and to the party that we are going to fight like the underdogs, which we are. polling is one thing, but we got to ignore that and work every single day. i think the other thing that's important is you're going to have surrogates and folks that are supporters fan out across the country in all states to promote folks getting involved, especially grassroots voters and young people. you're seeing folks going out to the colleges, as universities

are coming back into session. and i think what you'll also see from the vice president is you're going to see her continue to talk about the issues, about policy. her policy around home ownership, first-time home buyers, around affording housing access has been so successful across the country. i keep hearing folks talk about how excited they are about that piece of her economic message, and i think you're going to continue to hear different parts of her policy that she will roll out. her team is prepared, and the ads are being cut, and i think we're going to have a nonstop train all the way through that debate, and so you're going to see her on the road all the time. >> all right, congressman robert garcia, thank you so much, sir. appreciate your patience throughout the hour as we got to the vice president's speech there in savannah, molly, thank you as well for staying onset with us throughout this hour, and thank you both to you. we'll be right back after a quick break. th to you. we'll be right back after a quick break. ♪ (man) yes! ♪

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