of the national championship saturday night, tomorrow night, nbc. big 10 saturday nights, that should be a lot of fun. and commodores open with virginia tech. hanker down, everybody. guys, thank you very much for being with me this morning. appreciate you. have a great weekend, and to all of our viewers, we will see you right back here next week. that does it for us this morning. jose diaz-balart picks up the coverage right now. and right now on msnbc, dueling interviews in the 2024 race, vice president kamala harris's first sit-down since becoming the democratic nominee. her defense of the current administration and her vision for day one. plus, nbc's exclusive pull aside with former president trump. his new comments on reproductive rights and that incident at arlington national cemetery. also ahead, trump tries again to delay sentencing in his new york hush money case. his bid to now move the case to

a federal court. and later, it could be the busiest labor day travel weekend ever, with millions hitting the roads and skies. what you need to know to navigate the rush. good morning, 10:00 a.m. eastern, 7:00 a.m. pacific, i'm jose diaz-balart in for ana cabrera. we begin with vice president harris's first interview alongside her running mate tim walz. harris defended the biden administration. she centered her policy vision on optimism, saying americans want to turn the page. >> i'm talking about an era that started about a decade ago where

there's some suggestion, warped, i believe it to be, that the measure of the strength of a leader is based on who you beat down instead of where i believe most americans are, which is to believe that the true measure of the strength of a leader is based on who you lift up. >> let's discuss this with nbc news senior white house correspondent, gabe gutierrez, msnbc host and former spokesperson for vice president harris, symone sanders-townsend, and the dispatch senior writer, david drucker. what's the feeling inside the harris camp this morning? >> reporter: look, jose, good morning, the harris campaign realizes the election won't be won or lost on one interview. she answered tough questions for the first time since president biden dropped out, and she took some of those questions head on, including questions about her shifting position on fracking, and she had that answer that her values have not changed. of course, critics will say she didn't fully explain that.

but, again, the campaign feels like she did what she needed to do, and now they shift to the debate. and they're going to have to in the next couple of weeks, prepare they are for that, and they view that as the next major opportunity to contrast her vision with that of donald trump in front of a large swath of the country. again, they feel that she did what she needed to do last night. jose. >> and, gabe, any reaction from the trump camp? >> yes, there was pretty much immediate reaction from former president trump. he posted on social media that he thought the interview was boring and that vice president harris rambled incoherently, and j.d. vance has already slammed vice president harris for what he calls her shifting positions, and that she had been coached to sound more moderate. and of course this comes after conservatives had been blasting the harris campaign for not putting her in this type of

setting, not having her answer unscripted questions in a major interview for about 40 days since the president biden dropped out of the race. but again, the harris supporters say that she has done it. so let's put this behind us, and move forward to the debate. and move forward to speaking to the american people, which the harris campaign has announced a battleground blitz over the labor day weekend. >> gabe gutierrez in the white house. thank you so much. symone, i want to ask you first, you know the vice president well. what's your take away from this interview? >> i think the campaign should be proud this morning. they're the top of the ticket, went out and did what she needed to do, and i also think governor walz answered some questions that people who are not familiar with him, right, that they needed to have answered, even though some of the things that have surfaced that he spoke to last night about his military record, right, these are things that if you live in minnesota

and have voted for tim walz before, you have heard this before. look, i think some of the discourse over the last couple of weeks, two weeks specifically, would have you you believe that vice president harris hasn't done an interview since she became vice president. sitting there last night, it was clear she was comfortable answering questions. i thought dana bash did a good job pulling the layers back, if you will, asking questions that people wanted answers to. always people want more, and i think the best thing to happen going forward is frankly that we, the american people, get more opportunities to hear from the democratic ticket in various ways. i would also expect they should do additional interviews going forward, print interviews, in addition to what the vice president has been doing. no harm done in the interview, and little news broken. that's good from a coms perspective. >> i want to play -- this is

really kind of an interesting, significant, i thought, moment, when the vice president was asked about the race-based attacks from trump. listen to what she had to say and how she handled it. >> i want to ask you about what he said last month. he suggested that you happened to turn black recently for political purposes. questioning a core part of your identity. >> yeah. >> any -- >> same old tired playbook. next question, please. >> that's it? >> that's it. >> how do you think she handled that? >> as much as she said, same old tired playbook, i'm looking at the body language and the look on her face. the look on her face said this assertion is ridiculous. what she said is important because in an interview like this, had vice president harris spoken to the attacks that donald trump had lobbed against her and these just really ridiculous criticisms, that

would have been the news coming out of the interview. putting a republican in her cabinet to what she would do on day one to her economic policy and her explanation about fracking and whatnot, none of those things would have been the headline. the headline would have been vice president harris responds to donald trump for the first time. that is one of the chief reasons you did not hear more from her. a debate stage is going to be a little bit different, jose. i know the debate is going to be moderated by linsey davis and david muir. here's what the vice president had to say about her day one agenda and the economy. >> day one, it's going to be about, one, implementing my plan for what i call an opportunity economy. i have laid out a number of proposals in that regard, which include what we're going to do

to bring down the cost of every day goods what we're going to do to invest in america's small businesses, what we're going to do to invest in families, extending the child tax credit to $6,000 for families for the first year of their child's life to help them buy a car seat, baby clothes, a crib. there's the work we're going to do that is about investing in the american family around affordable housing, a big issue in our country right now. >> david, how effective do you think this line was because, you know, there's the criticism of where is the specificity. and on the other hand, she answered it with some specificity. >> i don't think voters are necessarily looking for specificities as much as an outline for where a president would take the country if elected. also, what's really important here, and i thought the vice president did this well is to meet voters where they are, and let them know that the issues that concern them concern the

candidate, right, so she has said before and she repeated here, and it's important that prices remain too high, even though inflation has cooled. the american people know it and so do i. that's what she said repeatedly, and she said it again. one of the ways candidates trip up is that they don't speak to the voters where they are in terms of the issues that most concern them. they don't acknowledge them. what she is going to have to do moving forward is do a better job of explaining her shift in positions on fracking, fossil fuel exploration, enforcing the border. she has started to do that, but i think she needs to be a little bit more proactive in terms of explaining not just my position on fracking is different. obviously this is a huge issue in pennsylvania, which many people consider a must win state. maybe a must-win state. what you want to be able to do is do what the governor of

pennsylvania josh shapiro told me last week when i asked the question about the vice president's shift is to explain not just that this this is my position, and you can trust it, but it's my position because it's a huge job creator in pennsylvania and in other states, and i am concerned about jobs even though i'm also concerned about the environment. but in putting more meat on the bone in terms of why she now thinks her new positions are the better positions is going to help guard against the attacks from the trump campaign, which are totally understandable and within bounds, which is why can we trust you, if you used to believe this, and now believe that. it's the same attack that democrats make when talking about the choice issue and abortion rights with the president, the former president trying to moderate his position on abortion rights and ivf. and the attack is always we can't trust you because of where you've been. so the vice president heading the attacks off and

capitalizing, it can't be i changed my position. this is why i believe in my new position. >> yeah, i mean, and these are things that can be flushed out in, you know, following interviews, and certainly if you have the time to ask her specifics on, well, let's talk about fracking. i think i agree with you that there was some questioning on that last night, but where does and how does a campaign deal with what david was talking about, this line of attack, for example, that there is a flip-flopper? >> i think there's a difference between, not even a difference, but it boils down to what somebody believes. and belief is anchored in values, which is why i think the harris campaign, and the vice president herself, settled on wanting to talk about her values. i'm sure they anticipated these kinds of questions could come up. there are various ways to answer it. what governor shapiro suggested

is one way to do it. there are lots of job creators around the country. are we going to make this one exception for fracking, what about this over here. when you answer in that way, you parse it. when you answer in your values, that's a little bit further. she said, i was the person that cast the tie breaking vote in the united states senate to open up new leases. she said, so my record says that i have kept my promise. so it's not just what she said in her campaign in 2019, and then what she's saying now, it's also what she's done in between and when given the opportunity, she did not shy away from, again, casting the tie press secretarying -- tie breaking vote. that's a juxtaposition for donald trump on what he is saying and also what he's done. >> governor walz was asked about misstatements, when he talked about holding a weapon of war,

which republicans have seized on. here was his answer. >> the idea that you said that you were in war, did you misspeak as the campaign has said. >> we were talking about in this case, this was after a school shooting, the idea of carrying these weapons of war. my wife, the english teacher, said my grammar is not always correct. it's an attack on my children. i'll never demean another member's service, i never have and i never will. >> what do you think of that line, david? >> i thought it was weak. he didn't address the misstatement, and there have been a series of misstatements that we found out about since he was announced as the vice president's running mate. i don't think at the end of the day it's going to matter all that much. usually when voters assess vice presidential candidates, what they want to know is you can pass the commander in chief test if you're called to serve in that position, where other running mates have gone wrong is

when they don't meet that test, so i think this is a distraction for the harris campaign. it's an annoyance. it hasn't gotten in the way of their momentum so far. i thought he could have done more to put this issue to bed, yes, i did this. yes, i shouldn't have. asked, answered and moved on to the pivot, which i thought was a, you know, very politically adept and well executed pivot. he's going to continue to be asked about this or confronted in the debate with j.d. vance no doubt, but it's just not the sort of thing that's going to derail a campaign. j.d. vance, for all of the faux pass he experienced in the opening weeks of becoming trump's running mate, that's not going to derail trump. only trump will derail trump if that's what happens. >> let's continue our conversation in a little bit. stay with me, if you would, up next nbc's exclusive pull aside with donald trump.

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16 past the hour. today, former president trump is back on the campaign trail with a rally in western pennsylvania, and this morning, we have new exclusive sound with the republican presidential nominee. in an interview with our own dasha burns, he defended himself on the issue of abortion and vows to product ivf. this comes as his campaign is trailing significantly in the polls with female voters. joining us now is nbc's dasha burns in michigan near where former president trump held an event yesterday. dasha, another exclusive for you. what more did trump have to say? >> reporter: look, jose, this comes in the context of the former president for the last couple of years saying to republicans that reproductive rights is a liability for the party and pushing them to talk about it and approach it differently. take a listen to what he told me. former president donald trump courting voters in the midwest thursday, including key battleground states michigan and wisconsin. mr. trump revealing a new policy

proposal in an interview with nbc news, pledging that the popular and pricey treatment, ivf will be free. >> we are paying for that treatment. >> reporter: all americans who want it? >> all americans who get it, who need it. we're going to be paying for that treatment or mandating that the insurance company pay. >> reporter: the former president not providing specifics about how the procedure, which costs about $20,000 per cycle, would be paid for. a massive health care expense after mr. trump and republicans tried multiple times to repeal the affordable care act. it's unclear how he plans to vote on a proposal to overturn the six-week abortion ban on the state of florida. >> i think the six week is too short. it has to be more time. >> reporter: the harris campaign responding, there's only one candidate in this race who trusts women and will protect our freedom to make our own health care decisions. mr. trump defending his

campaign's conduct at arlington national cemetery. >> i was asked to go there by people who lost their child. they asked me whether or not i would stand for a picture at the grave of their loved one who should not have died. >> reporter: the army says the cemetery employee was, quote, abruptly pushed aside when they tried to enforce defense department regulations which prohibit political activities on cemetery grounds. the trump campaign later posting video of the visit. >> reporter: on that hallowed ground should they have put out the images -- >> i don't know who did it. >> reporter: it was your campaign's tiktok that -- >> i don't know anything about it. all i do is i stood there. if you would like to have a picture, we can have a picture. >> reporter: and, jose, the comments you heard on abortion, the florida ballot initiative, receiving backlash from parts of mr. trump's base.

the campaign looking to clarify, saying in a statement, president trump has not yet said how he will vote on the ballot initiative in florida. he reiterated that he believes six weeks is too short. jose. >> dasha burns, thank you so much. and back with us is symone sanders-townsend and david drucker. so let's talk about this latest statement by the former president about abortion, now ivf for everyone who wishes it. again, dasha was keen on the fact that, you don't say how it's going to be paid for. what do you think of these new statements? >> i found them quite interesting, jose, i took a look at the republican party's platform that, you know, they updated the platform this year for the first time since the last couple of presidential elections. and the platform, the language in the platform, about conception at life, life begins at conception, flies directly in

the face of ivf, according to folks in the republican party apparatus. i don't know if this is a policy or if donald trump is saying as he has said in the past, you need to do what you need to do to get elected. that's what he tells republicans across the country when it comes to the issue of abortion or reproductive freedom and health. his track record says this is not something he would support as he is the president who appointed the justices who were key in overturning roe v. wade, and he has bragged about that since then. i don't know if voters are going to buy this one. >> david, there is certainly, you know a lot that can happen reaction wise from even as symone was saying, his own base on this. how do you see this? >> this is fascinating. there has been so much discussion in kamala harris's shift in position, but donald trump on issues related to abortion has shifted remarkably.

number one, this argument that he's going to either have the government pay for ivf or force insurance companies to do so is really a position that you might expect the democratic party to take. and so the democratic party has won key policy arguments here when it comes to how you regulate insurance companies and what the government, in other words, taxpayer dollars should be willing to pay for. there are a lot of pro life voters, where this issue is supreme for them. it's why they vote republican. that may have some issues with this. they may conclude ultimately that donald trump is the best we have in this election, he's going to appoint judges more likely to be conservative and supportive of pro life causes from a constitutional stand point, and we have to grin and bear it. but if any other republican was running on this. if a republican in a primary was running on this, it would be a huge problem. there is some risk in trump's

positions here, but it also shows that they really understand the trump campaign and the former president how vulnerable they are on the issue of abortion rights and what they're trying to do is make up ground with women and suburban women in particular while not losing ground on the former president's right flank. it will be interesting to see if he can get that done. >> yeah, i mean, and so dasha mentioned trump spoke about the six-week abortion ban in florida and whether he's going to vote one way or another. his campaign, as we mentioned, quickly issued a statement saying the president has not yet said how he will vote on the ballot initiative in florida. symone, it seems like these aren't small details they're talking about? >> these go to the very core of what he believes and what he would do if he's given another opportunity to occupy the oval office. this is important to voters. you know, j.d. vance has been on

the campaign trail and doing interviews, and one of the interviews he did over the last week and a half or so. he essentially said that abortion, while he understands people are talking about it, that is not an issue that women are going to the polls on. i would argue that abortion, reproductive freedom, the ability to make decisions about your own health with your doctor and not consultation with your folks in your state capitol, washington, d.c., is fundamental for folks across the board, regardless if they are democratic republican or independence. missouri currently is fighting to not have that ballot initiative there. it makes a difference. and i don't think people are going to buy this flip-flop. >> david drucker and symone sanders-townsend, thank you both so very much, and of course you can and must catch symone every

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money case following his conviction on all 34 counts. joining us now, msnbc's ken dilanian and catherine christian, former assistant district attorney, and msnbc legal analyst. ken, good morning. what do we know about the benefit for trump to have this case in federal court as opposed to state court? >> good morning, jose. well, trump's lawyers are arguing that the new york state court system is failing to protect federal protections in this case, and the supreme court's immunity means his conviction should be overturned. judge merchan has rejected that argument, and trump's lawyers are hoping the federal courts will embrace it. the federal judge they're asking, alvin hellerstein has previously rebuffed that exact argument. he wrote that the evidence overwhelmingly suggests the matter was a purely personal item of the president, a cover up of an embarrassing event. hush money paid to adult film

star is not related to a president's acts, it does not reflect the color of the official duties. the question is whether anything in the supreme court decision would force the judge to reconsider his reasoning. if this bid fails, and it's a long shot, the new york case, the sentencing is scheduled for september 18th. jose. >> does trump's legal argument this time have any more weight to it than the other time? >> it's not illegitimate because the other time there was no supreme court decision. now there is a supreme court decision about official acts evidence. the trump's team argument, which they have made before judge merchan, they were waiting for his decision is that hope hicks communications during the time he was president, madeleine westerhout and other evidence that occurred when donald trump was president should not have been admitted during the state trial. so they are going to do everything they can to make sure that donald trump does not get sentenced before election day.

it should be noted that the manhattan d.a.'s office have already said that they do not oppose his sentencing being delayed until after election day. that doesn't mean judge merchan has to agree with that. it's not an illegitimate motion, they should have made it, and as ken said, the judge could say, been there, done that, denied, or the judge can say, you're right, we have a supreme court decision. if he decides that, the state court cannot sentence donald trump unless the judge sends the case back to them. he could also outright deny it. meaning the judge. >> we are awaiting for the court filings for the election interference case. what's the latest there? >> those filings are due by midnight tonight, and they will reflect each side's ideas with how to move forward in this case in the wake of the immunity decision. the special counsel has made his opening bid by filing a

superseding indictment that removes actions by trump that would be considered official acts under the supreme court decision. trump's lawyers are going to argue that that superseding does not go far enough. judge tanya chutkan will make a decision that can be appealed to the supreme court before there's a trial. even if trump loses election, maybe a year or more before this case goes to trial, jose. >> and, i mean, so catherine, is that the schedule, the only road and route that this case could take? >> yes, and it's, again, donald trump's lawyers do not want any type of substantiative hearing before election day on this case. but the judge could rule that there will be one, but there will be no trial, let's get that out of the way. it should also be noted that in september, four different trump cases have court dates. next friday, there's an oral argument on the jean carroll sex

abuse case. the decision from jer merchan, and an oral argument on his civil fraud trial. there's a lot of activity on at least four cases that donald trump has during the month of september. >> ken dilanian and catherine christian, thank you both so very much. up next, a record breaking summer of travel reaching a crescendo this holiday weekend. we're at one of america's busiest airports as aaa expects a very busy travel weekend. >> and don't forget the bug spray if you're taking a trip. what you need to know to stay alert, the mosquito menace, viruses like west nile are really dangerous, and they're prevalent. us, and they prevalent. 're [ laughing ] ♪ i am, said i ♪ ♪ and i am lost and i can't ♪ punch buggy red. ♪ even say why ♪

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it's not worth the risk. it's not worth enduring all of this and the trauma that's going to go along with it. >> that's one father's warning about being more diligent when it comes to preventing mosquito bites after his 18-year-old son was paralyzed from the neck down from west nile virus. now, health officials are sounding the alarm about multiple rare mosquito-borne viruses with potentially deadly consequences. hundreds of cases of west nile virus have been reported across the country with communities in the northeast on alert for another mosquito virus called eee. joining us now, nbc's maggie

vespa. what should people know, especially going into this holiday weekend? >> yeah, exactly. this timing is crucial, jose. they should know these viruses are still rare. we're seeing this bizarre strain. this morning heading into the long holiday weekend, there are new concerns buzzing for those eager to soak up the final days of summer outside. >> we have had a lot of ebs tra -- extra rain so there's a lot of mosquitos around. >> reporter: mosquito born illnesses continue to plague parts of the country. >> sitting on my back porch for ten minutes, and i have like ten bites. >> wisconsin officials announcing two deaths linked to west nile virus, making two dozen deaths nationwide, with 300 cases reported in 33 states, and now there's a sixth case of

eastern equine encephalitis, that has killed one man. >> i think it's going to be a significant concern in the future. >> reporter: cities taking action, spraying neighborhoods to help protect residents. for those heading to a lake for labor day, be on high alert. mosquitos look for still, fresh water. and be sure to apply a deet-based insect repellent. john proctor wishing his family had known about the danger of the mosquito-borne illnesses. his 18-year-old son has a long road to recovery. he's on a ventilator, paralyzed from the neck down after contracting west nile virus from a mosquito bite, his dad believes he got while playing with their dog in the backyard. >> it's hard to fathom how such a small insignificant creature can take a perfectly 100% healthy human being and just causing havoc on his body that fast. it takes one mosquito to get

you. >> reporter: you just heard from that family. we apologize for that technical glitch before the piece. his family has been told a full recovery is possible but it could take up to a year or more, which is daunting to think about. in the meantime, as far as protecting especially the youngest and smallest members of the household, you can use bug spray on your kids, put it on your hands first and rub it on. use for your pets, bug spray specifically formulated for animals, human bug spray is not safe for them. it's good to be vigilant going into the holiday. jose. >> indeed it is, maggie vespa, thank you so much. airlines and drivers are bracing for another record holiday weekend. aaa predicts domestic travel will be up by 9% compared to last labor day, the atlanta and

chicago airports are expecting to see the bulk of those travelers. joining us from chicago's o'hare international airport is shaquille brewster. good morning, how is it looking there today? >> reporter: we're definitely watching the weather closely to see what impact it will have on travel. here in chicago, we are seeing delays start to pick up. you're seeing that also take place in new york city. you're continuing to see the potential impact that severe weather is having on travel. you know, tsa says that today is expected to be the peak travel day during this holiday weekend. some 3 million people are expected to be screened, and of course it's not just what you're seeing at the airports but it's also what you're seeing on the roads. many drivers expected to take advantage of the lower gas prices we're seeing, especially compared to what we saw a year ago. the advice from tsa or aaa, going off the labor day travel

this week, and you want to make sure you finish it before noon today or just wait until 7:00 p.m. that way you avoid much of the congestion. again, keep an eye on the traffic. keep an eye on the weather as you go ahead and make your labor day plans. jose. >> shaquille brewster, thank you so very much. take care. it's the fastest growing racial or ethnic group in the nation, people of mixed race. their views on the 2024 field and how they could move the margins in six key battleground states. >> i'm not going to lend my support behind someone who does not support people who look like me. s not support people who look like me it's time. yes, the time has come for a fresh approach to dog food. everyday, more dog people are deciding it's time to quit the kibble and feed their dogs fresh food from the farmer's dog. made by vets and delivered right to your door precisely portioned for your dog's needs.

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48 past the hour. people of mixed race are now the fastest growing racial or ethnic group in the country. morgan radford sat down with a group of mixed race and multiethnic voters to get their thoughts on the presidential race. morgan radford joins us this morning. great seeing you. what did these voters tell you? >> this was a fascinating conversation. we talked to six people, five of them were regular voters, one of whom was a candidate on the republican ticket there locally in north carolina. and what was really interesting was the way they talked about the census and the boxes on the census, and filling out the form gives them pause or panic because they feel like there's a lot of work to be done in terms of the inclusivity of those

categories, and given that, they said the legacy of exclusion for mixed people means a lot of people have stayed narrow minded when it comes to thinking about them politically. take a look. >> i identify as indian american and white. >> his panic american. >> when anybody asks, i say i'm black and puerto rican. >> multiracial americans are the fastest growing ethnic group in the country, and their voting power will be significant. in six battleground states, the population with two or more races has surged by more than 200%, including here in north carolina's mecklenburg county. >> can you raise your hand if you are a mecklenburg county. can you raise your hand if you're a republican? democrat. independent. does independent. does the way that you identify racially impact your politics or specifically how you plan to vote this election? >> absolutely.

>> reporter: how so? >> i'm not going to lend my support behind someone who does not support people who look like >> me. >> i don't think he sees me as who i am. >> reporter: former president donald trump? >> yes. >> reporter: what about the rest of you? >> i don't think kamala harris has anything vested in the air finger, quote, black or hispanic experience and so much as it would be identified by anybody that lives in those communities. >> reporter: you don't think she can help black or brown people? >> no, i mean going to howard don't make you black. >> reporter: a conversation that quickly turned to this moment, in a july interview at the national association of black >> journalists. >> i didn't know she was black until a number of years ago when she happened to turn back and now she wants to be known as i black. i don't know. is she indian or is she black? >> reporter: what did you think when you heard those comments? >> highly offensive. i think probably every multiracial mixed race, biracial person had the experience of

someone else telling them they are not something enough. i think it is kind of triggering, right? >> i think it is impossible to be biracial in america and i think that it requires that you're covering all bases at all and times. and it requires constant recognition of both identities and i think when donald trump says stuff like that, about kamala harris, it implies she is, like, picking a race for political advantage, it is tapping into an incredibly familiar sentiment i think everyone on this panel can >> reporter: understand. >> reporter: as trump supporters, when you heard that comment, as mixed people, how did it register with you? >> well, my first thought was, that wasn't very well thought at out. at the same time, though, when i heard it, i didn't hear it as an attack on blacks or indians. i heard it more so of him commenting towards identity politics and the appeal that some take to play up one side of their race over the other. >> reporter: i see you nodding your head. >> i agree with him. i didn't know -- i didn't know she identified as black because

everything i saw was first south asian, first indian this, none of that identified as black. >> reporter: regardless of her parents, i mean, she was born in this country and she identifies as a black person in this country, in an american way, in a uniquely -- >> i never heard her identify herself as a black woman. >> reporter: she said multiple times i'm a black woman. politics sometimes becoming personal this year, with representation on both tickets. >> i don't agree with anything jd vance has to say. almost nothing. but i think it is incredible that we have gotten to a point where the vice president of the united states can have a wife named usha and a son named bonbek, that doesn't bonbek, that doesn't mean i won't vote for him. >> i find a lot of her trajectory to not be my brand of woman leader. we have three major

international crises going on. and someone applying to be commander in chief. as a woman, i want to see you do more than, you know, appeal to giggling and having a girl moment on the stage. >> reporter: was there ever a moment that sort of forced you to confront the concept of race? >> it is more about ethnicity. as you can see, i have an accent, i speak with an accent. i don't think with an accent. you learn to be comfortable in uncomfortable situations. >> reporter: a conversation with implications beyond the ballot >> box. >> i think every time we see polling it is about race. and, you know, as a candidate of color, you put a lot of stake into how this candidate represents, say, the black experience or the indian american experience. i think we will never ask donald trump or joe biden or bill clinton or george bush to do the same thing. i think white people are expected and people of color >> reporter: aren't. >> reporter: to do what? >> to be in the highest office

in the united states. >> as we mentioned at the top, as you saw again there in the piece, important to note that abdul ali is running as a republican in the 12th congressional district in north what carolina. what i found so fascinating was this notion of the one draw this pool. this legacy which was a legal doctrine dating back hundreds of years that said if you have one drop of black, you were considered entirely black, sort of only identifying someone with their minority parent group as researchers call it, instead of sort of acknowledging both ethnicities, cultures or and identities. and they said as long as we sort of are held back by that limited notion of thinking, then categories will fail us and we won't be able to fully discuss this demographic much less actually capture it numerically. >> you always teach me something and we had conversations like this, just for so long, and it is a conversation that needs to be shown, a light needs to be

shown on this issue and this conversation, and no one better than morgan to bring it to us. thank you. in our next hour, a focus group with latino voters, what they're saying about the state of the 2024 race. plus, we'll speak with jared bernstein, chairman of the council of economic advisers with the economy and the economic news front and center ahead of the election. we're back after a short break. stay with us. er a short break stay with us goldmine. well she doesn't know that if she owns a life insurance policy of $100,000 or more she can sell all or part of it to coventry for cash. even a term policy. even a term policy? even a term policy! find out if you're sitting on a goldmine. call coventry direct today at the number on your screen, or visit coventrydirect.com. rsv can severely affect the lungs and lower airways. but i'm protected with arexvy. arexvy is a vaccine used to prevent lower respiratory disease from

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