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good to be with you, i'm katy tur. the stage is getting set, vp kamala harris and former president donald trump put more up for the first debate, just 11 days from now. new lines on abortion, and donald trump's brand new position that his campaign says is not his position at all. on ivf, which republicans who support trump have been trying to limit or ban, but which trump now says should be paid for by the federal government. on foreign policy and israel, of which kamala harris made her support clear on a team of rivals adds kamala harris vows to put a republican in her cabinet, and on just how personal this race has become. with vp harris showing cnn how she'd handle an attack on her identity. >> he suggested that you happened to turn black recently for political purposes. questioning a core part of your identity. >> yeah.
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>> any -- >> same old tired playbook, next question, please. >> that's it? . >> that's it. >> there's going to be a whole lot on the debate stage. let us start there. joining us, nbc news white house correspondent gabe gutierrez, in johnstown, pennsylvania, garrett haake, "washington post" political investigative reporter, josh, and "new york times" white house correspondent michael sheer. so kamala harris right there in that first big interview, sit down with a journalist, she talked about israel. she talked about the economy. he went through the, you know, the greatest hits of what she plans on doing when she gets to the white house, but that last bite there where she blows off the personal attack from donald trump, what does that tell us about how this debate might go? >> well, katy, it is part of the strategy here, right, that clip you just played really speaks to it in that she does not want to get dragged down in personal
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attacks by donald trump. and her campaign views it as trying to focus on her message. as you mentioned. there's something else that the campaign is hoping going into this debate, and that is that it will be an opportunity to speak to a larger swath of the american people, and showcase what the campaign sees as donald trump's lies, and his failures during his first term in office. and then another challenge for kamala harris, katy, is that she's going to have to differentiate herself from president biden. it's a fine line to walk, yesterday during that interview she, at times, appraised the biden/harris administration, and the legacy of that administration, but she's also trying to chart her own path. now, campaign officials and people familiar with the debate preparations tell nbc news that they view the debate as important. but that they view as more important, her interaction with voters in battleground states. expect a battleground blitz next week, as she does prepare,
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continues to prepare for that debate. >> also knocking donald trump off on the debate stage, making him burst out, getting him to act poorly on the debate stage. part of the reason why the kamala harris team wants the mics to be on throughout it. michael, that strategy to show donald trump as who he is to the american public, to try to get under his skin, do they feel like that's the best strategy? because i know we talk a lot about policy and where kamala harris stands on the issues, but i wonder if the american public basically understands where she is on the issues, that she was in the biden administration, they understand where democrats stand on a variety of issues. does she need to get that much further into it or is this campaign seeing this as really more about differentiating herself as a figure, as a person from donald trump? >> look, i think you hit it on the head right there.
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i think the campaign recognizes that there are a need to be somewhat transparent on policy and they've started doing a little bit of that. but that's not in their view what's going to win this election. what's going to win this election is getting americans kind of away from the trump amnesia that many have felt with, you know, it being four years in the rear view mirror, and reminding them, the kind of person that donald trump is, the kind of chaos, and, you know, kind of remarkable norm shattering president that he was, and the only way to do that is, they think, to get under his skin and to needle him. tim walz has been doing that on the campaign trail. i think they see the debate as a real opportunity to rattle him up, shake him up a little bit. it was something that joe biden was not able to do. maybe it was partly because the mics were turned off. it was also because joe biden,
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as the democratic party kind of understood eventually was just unable to prosecute that case, unable to rattle trump, and i think harris thinks she can. >> there's a policy issue that she can use or is trying to use to get under donald trump's skin, and that is reproductive freedoms. they're going to be doing another bus tour, garrett haake, in the backyard of donald trump starting it off in palm beach, and on the subject of reproductive freedoms, it seems like she's caught the republican candidate on his heels on that, because donald trump is now suddenly saying he wants the federal government to pay for ivf. one critic said that would be expanding obamacare, and he's also saying to dasha burns that he would not support a six-week ban on abortion in the state of florida where it's on the ballot. now he has his campaign trying to do damage control. there's a big backlash from pro life groups who are going out and saying this is not the guy that we were promised. this is not who you told us you
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were. >> reporter: yeah, look, on abortion, donald trump's problem is over the course of his career, he's taken almost every conceivable position to have on it. where he has landed right now broadly is the idea that abortion questions should be left up to the states. what's a problem for him in this moment is that one of those states deciding an abortion question in november is florida, where he's going to be a voter. that's where he got tripped up with dasha burns yesterday. i don't think it's clear at all what donald trump is going to do on that particular measure. he seemed to tell dasha, he would vote against the six-week ban. he's not for a six-week ban. his campaign says that is not what he was trying to say. this has served only that donald trump will be asked about this issue, which he desperately wants to put behind him. his campaign understands, believes, if this is an election decided on the issue of abortion in november, this is a bad way. they need to be talking about the economy, the border, not
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issues of reproductive freedom. the ivf policy is very interesting. it's so far from anything any republican i have covered in the last decade would put forward. it would cost tens of billions of dollars potentially from somebody's pocket, either the government's or your insurance premiums going up to make sure private insurance plans can cover it. donald trump has provided no information about how that will work. it was sort of like a free stuff offer last night, and we'll see if his campaign, if he were to coherently flush that out into a proper policy that they could pass, pay for, and put into action in a second trump administration. >> josh, talk to me a little bit more about that, the struggle amongst the trump folks to have him be everything to everyone, as the candidate wants to try to be. >> we've seen him do that a lot this spring and summer, katy, with major donors who you have pitched him on things like
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crypto. now all of a sudden he's a big supporter of crypto. we have seen on topics, you know, related to national security. on abortion it's been tricky. pro life groups repeatedly want him to say he's standing up for pro life policies, and the -- he doesn't do it. is he going to pay a price for that? groups are saying he told us he hasn't decided how he's going to vote on the amendment. this isn't the policy position of the campaign, x, y, z, but, you know, are they going to do anything about it? i think watching how these abortion groups and the trump campaign have danced over the last six months is a window into how the republican party works these days. he says all sorts of things about abortion. he says this one day, that one day. vague policy changes here and there.
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and these folks traditionally have been rigorous, what they were willing to accept, and with trump, they give him a little bit more leeway. i guess you can see if he's able to attract new voters, independents, who like the positions more. i don't think we know. it's sort of a mess to cipher around. >> i saw in 2016, trump as a war shock test you could project whatever you wanted him to say or to believe because he had embodied all the positions on so many different subjects. in terms of kamala harris, michael, and this bus tour, it's going to go through, again, palm beach, florida. does the campaign think that they can win florida? why florida? >> no, i think the history of the last decade suggests that that would be a real stretch, and even with the kind of energy and enthusiasm that the democrats have found after biden stepped out of the race, i think
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there's very few democrats who actually think they can win florida. but, look, part of campaigning in places that your opponent is strong is to do two things, one, it forces potentially your opponent to spend money and time, time being the most valuable resource for the candidate, in places that they shouldn't have to spend any time. that's also what they have done in georgia a bit is try to convince the trump people that they have to spend time shoring up georgia, and it also is a projection of strength for harris. right? you send out a message to the general public that you're not afraid to go to places people don't expect you to go, and so that potentially has a beneficial effect for your campaign overall. so i think that's what the strategy is there. i would expect that you will see much more time spent in places like pennsylvania, michigan, and wisconsin. those are the places that she needs to win, and that's where
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they'll spend their time. >> potentially north carolina as well. that opens a lot of paths on the electoral map. i'm going to play a little bit from the event you're at. this is tulsi gabbard talking to -- actually, tulsi gabbard is apparently helping donald trump with debate prep. i want to play the gabbard moment versus harris from the 2019 democratic debate. this was a memorable moment. >> senator harris says she's proud of her record as a prosecutor, and i'm deeply concerned about this record. there are too many examples to cite, but she put over a 1,500 people in jail for marijuana violations and laughed about it when she was asked if she ever smoked marijuana. the people who suffered under your rein as prosecutor, you owe them an apology. >> so this was one of the more memorable moments from that debate, and tulsi gabbard's more memorable moment. is that why she's helping donald trump with debate prep, and
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should we expect to see that exact line of attack from donald trump, when we see them on stage together? >> that's part of it. she has become one of republican's favorite democrat. she sort of subscribes to a kind of politics more in line with the maga movement than what we think of as modern democrats right now. but to the degree she might be able to be a rosetta stone, a translator for how someone like trump can attack harris, on the left, it might be helpful. we saw her in a different role last night in wisconsin. she was the de facto moderator of what we were told was going to be a major trump town hall. he ended up taking something like four questions. this is a way of getting him to take questions, more women who can get him to think differently about how the questions might be
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asked and how they might be answered. she could play a number of roles if she's willing to stretch his mind and listen to her experience. >> harris and donald trump have never met. they have been in the same room during the state of the union speeches when he was president. just the level of familiarity and how the other person might think and respond to basic things is a useful bit of intelligence when you're preparing if a debate. >> donald trump had a long history with hillary clinton, pretty long history with joe biden as well. but nothing with kamala harris. garrett haake, gabe gutierrez, josh dossey and michael shear, thank you very much. what swing state polling tells us about how voters are feeling about the economy, and what is being done to tackle a growing medical crisis in gaza, and what you need to know about the rise of potentially lethal mosquito-borne illnesses. how to protect yourself and your family as we head into labor day weekend. we are back in 90 seconds. 0 sec.
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new polling has a bit of good news for kamala harris on an issue that long plagued president biden. the latest bloomberg news morning consult poll found a majority of respondents found they were better off under donald trump, but appear less likely to hold harris responsible for the current cost of things. the poll also shows the vice president has cut donald trump's swing state economic advantage in half. joining us now, national affairs
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correspondent with the nation, john nichols, and nbc news senior business correspondent, christine romans. these numbers are potentially pretty significant for kamala harris. the economy has dogged democrats for a long, long time. and even although the economic data that we have shows that we're in a pretty good place, people weren't feeling it. does it make a difference for them not to blake the current state of things on kamala harris? >> it's interesting, it seems as though voters in swing states have turned the page on their vibe session, and are kind of turning the page on the democratic leader, and maybe some of the energy over her the past few weeks is rubbing off in this way. you look at how she would handle things that matter to the middle class, she's given high marks. they say donald trump would be better for gas prices and the stock market, and it's one of those things, it's facts versus feelings, the stock market is at
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record highs. >> the economy is partisan, suddenly you feel good about the economy, even though there's no change in the economic state of your household. it's very much a vibe. how do you address a vibe? >> that's what the biden white house has been struggling with and trying to do for months and months. now it's the harris campaign that has the same issue. how do you tell people the economy is great, and then you look tone deaf. that is the challenge for the harris campaign. we're going to be hearing more about the care economy, she is going to try to really zero in on the middle class and the things you feel every day, like child care and other things. those are positions that donald trump hasn't taken. >> child care and housing and the cost at the grocery store, talking about going against what she says is price gouging at the grocery store. john nichols, you're seeing her talk about this in front of a lot of union workers, and talking about unions a lot, even
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when she's not in front of union workers. why is that? >> look, first and foremost, harris appears to be solidifying a lot of support among trade unions. she's getting the key endorsements, and the enthusiasm level is big. that still means, though, the unions have to go internally, and talk to their own members. they've got to do a lot of mobilization, and if they've got this ammunition, you know, somewhat of a better attitude toward the economy, they combine that with harris's pro union message, and that's how you start to really boost numbers. so talking to union leaders as we head toward labor day, one of the things that's been striking to me is how so many of them think that they really can market this ticket, for lack of a better term. they can talk about this ticket to members and actually up those numbers because, remember, with unions, there's always a substantial portion of folks who vote republican. that's always been true under,
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you know, many different democratic candidates. in this case, though, if harris can maximize her union vote, get it up as high as possible, perhaps even higher than joe biden. that's going to be incredibly beneficial to her in states like wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania, but also in states where unions have a capacity that's rising, places like arizona. >> none of these voting groups, whether they're union members or latino voters or women voters, no one is a monolith. everyone has different pushes and pulls. different priorities, and they're looking for a candidate to express those priorities. they might be religious in some cases, purely economic in others, they might be about national security. there is a host of different issues that play into it, beyond just who you're identified as being a part of, a group you're identified as being a part of. the firefighter's union, j.d. vance and governor tim walz have both spoken to that group.
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i know you've written about it. let me play a little bit of j.d. vance at the firefighters union in boston. >> i can promise you this when vice president harris and i win this election, we'll have your back just like you've had ours this entire time. [ applause ]. >> president trump and i are proud to be the most pro worker republican ticket in history, and i want to talk about why we're fighting for working people, why we're going to fight for unions and nonunion alike. >> the good news is we had both of them at the firefighters union, and you could hear in the room there was a different reception. did that play throughout? >> yeah. they clearly got different responses. walz has been very close to the firefighters union for a long time up in minnesota. he knew exactly how to talk to that union. frankly, they knew him. when vance came in and suggested that somehow the republicans were very pro union, he just
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didn't go over well. remember, the firefighters are a union that has yet to endorse, and so this juxtaposition was very instructive, and i can tell you people not just within the firefighters but across the labor movement were looking at how j.d. vance just didn't seem to connect. and that's a big deal because vance has pitched himself as a republican laborer. >> both of the teams have proposed some economic policies. donald trump's big economic policy is tariffs, and getting into the fed and influencing the fed on interest rates. and kamala harris is talking more about the care economy, also as you said, about housing. do you have a sense of how each one of these very broad positions might play out if they get into office? >> they're very different. kamala harris wants to help the middle class through 100 million people getting better child tax credits and a $6,000 tax credit when you have a kid and the care
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economy. donald trump wants to help by putting tariffs on imports that critics and economists say would raise costs for consumers. >> but poll well. >> he's being touch on china, and he's going after the middle class gutted by free trade deals the democrats supported for years. those are the two world views here. he talks about mass deportations, which, you know, economists agree could put a big wrench in the labor market and poll well, something that some of his supporters are ardent about. very different world views for both of them. neither are talking about budget deficits, by the way, that's another discussion for another time. >> the republicans are trying to say immigration is part of the problem with the economy, that the immigrants are bringing things down and making housing more competitive. there's data to support that. there's a tax base problem that we have in the country, not enough taxpayers to fund things like social security. john nichols, thank you. christine romans, thank you.
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both jack smith and donald trump's lawyers have until midnight tonight to file a joint brief laying out their preferred paths forward in the election interference case.
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judge tanya chutkan wants the arguments ahead of the thursday hearing. smith has given a hint of what he plans to argue, recasting his case as a prosecution of a candidate for president instead of a sitting president. in his superseding indictment that he filed earlier this week. joining us now, nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian. when we're talking about laying out a path forward in these cases, what exactly do we mean? i imagine that donald trump's lawyers are going to say there's no path forward, the whole thing has to be tossed. >> that's exactly right. the superseding indictment is the opening bid. each side has until midnight to file the proposed scheduling document. it will reflect their ideas about how to move forward in the case in the wake of the immunity decision, and the special counsel's superseding indictment removes actions by trump that would be considered official acts. trumps lawyers will suggest it doesn't go far enough.
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it's likely to be further arguments proposed in this document, and perhaps a series of hearings on disputes over what the official and what is private. ultimately judge tanya chutkan can make a decision that will be appealed to the supreme court before there's a trial. if donald trump loses the election in maybe a year or more before the case goes to trial, if he wins, they would keep litigating until he took office january 20th. at that point, they would have to suspend it, given the supreme court affirmed long standing doj policy that a sitting president can't be prosecuted. for now, they're going to go forward and argue about what is official and what is private. >> ken dilanian, thank you very much. and joining us now, msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin. lisa, i imagine you will do what i used to do, waiting for the harry potters to come out, standing in line at midnight to get my hands on a fresh copy. will you be refreshing the court
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documents page to get these briefings come midnight tonight? >> yes, i will, i'll be like that kermit the frog meme we have seen on twitter, where the person is furiously typing. i'm really hoping i'm not waiting until midnight tonight. then, again i could be. and that's because as ken just outlined for you, there's likely to be serious disagreement between the parties as to the best path forward. yes, jack smith, and his team issued a superseding indictment to try and avoid some of the protracted litigation that could have come from the supreme court's decision about what's official, what's not official, how does a presumption of immunity apply, and when can it be rebutted. those are all sort of unanswered questions after the supreme court's ruling and so you see smith and his team through the superseding indictment trying to answer the questions or take the questions off the table themselves. but it won't go far enough for former president trump and his team, and they will likely
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suggest a path for briefing and perhaps even more discovery so that they can tell judge chutkan why this new indictment also needs to be tossed as well. >> i want to ask you about one of the other cases, the hush money case. there was supposed to be a sentencing hearing, but it kept getting pushed back because of the supreme court ruling on presidential immunity. what is the trump team now trying to do regarding that sentencing? >> so the trump team has a motion on the table right now before judge merchan to throw out the verdict on the grounds that during the trial there was evidence that was used that they say counts as official acts of the former president, and therefore under the supreme court's immunity ruling shouldn't have been included at all. they have an assumption that judge merchan is not likely to grant the motion. if he does not, he was supposed to proceed to sentencing on september 18th. what they did last night is file what's called a notice of removal in federal court saying that judge merchan's case
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essentially should be taken from his control and moved to a federal court because the presidential immunity decision now gives donald trump a vehicle to defend himself against those charges. and the reason that they're doing it now is because that federal removal statute says that so long as you have a pending removal petition to move a state criminal prosecution to federal court, that state court can't proceed to sentencing until the case is sent back to the state court. it's effectively like the bankruptcy automatic data. that puts a hold on all litigation once someone files bankruptcy petition. that is what they are trying to do vis-a-vis the sentencing by issuing this removal notice, they are trying to put an indefinite halt to the sentencing in state court. whether it will work, katy, remains to be seen. that's where we are right now. >> regardless of that, it doesn't make it less likely, the
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fact that they even filed this, that donald trump will get sentenced before the election? >> well, i think judge merchan still has a motion before him, asking him to do exactly that, to delay or postpone the sentencing until after the election. and if he on his own volition grants that motion, then it sort of takes the question whether or not to move the case to federal court a little bit off the table. that option is still sort of in his bag of tricks, so to speak. but the other possibility is that the federal judge has an option of what's called summarily denying it without any further briefing if he finds there wasn't good cause for the trump team to submit this removal petition at this late date. he can do that. and there's a possibility, katy, that he could do that before the 18th, allowing judge merchan to proceed before the schedule in place. >> good to have you. thank you very much. what the u.n. is doing to prepare for one of the most
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short-term cease fires throughout gaza in order for health workers to evacuate some 646,000 children against polio.
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there will be three pauses, lasting three days with the option for a fourth if need ed. this as news that a 10-month-old who contracted disease will be partially paralyzed by it. nbc news correspondent, international correspondent, raf sanchez has more from tel aviv. >> reporter: hey there, this is shaping up to be one of the most complicated vaccination campaigns in modern history. the united nations says it needs to vaccinate 640,000 palestinian children against polio in the next four weeks. but it has only narrow windows to do it in. israel and hamas has agreed to a series of rolling three-day pauses in the fighting so that u.n. workers can go out there and inoculate these children. the first of those pauses is going to be on sunday, but even if these temporary truces hold, this is going to be a fiendishly
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complicated battle against polio inside the gaza strip. i'll give you one example, these vaccine doses need to be kept cold, and there's very little reliable electricity. it is sweltering august heat right now inside of gaza, and the sad fact is that polio was thought to have been stamped out in gaza 25 years ago, but it thrives in contaminated water, and that is everywhere inside of the strip right now. much of gaza's sewage treatment system, much of its water treatment system has collapsed after nearly a year of israeli strikes and experts say those are perfect conditions for polio to return. now, this campaign is supposed to roll out over the next month, but it is going to come too late for an 11-month-old baby named
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abdul, the first confirmed case of polio. he was learning to crawl in the tents that his family now calls home. he is now paralyzed in one of his legs. our team caught up with his family in gaza. he has nine siblings, and his mother says that she basically is only able to rock him back and forth in an old car seat right now. his siblings have been vaccinated, and it is cases like this that are giving a fierce, fierce sense of urgency to the u.n. and to other humanitarian organizations to try to get the rest of those vaccines out to those kids who so badly need them. back to you. >> raf sanchez, thank you very much. joining us now, former department of state arab-israeli negotiator, and carn irks e endowment for peace, aaron david miller. that hamas and israel are able to come to terms for a short-term cease fire to get the vaccination done or at least to
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try to given the circumstance, does that give you any hope that they can come to an agreement on the broader war? >> you know, every time we speak, katy, thanks for having me, the situation just gets worse before it gets worse. although, i have to say, if, in fact, this can be pulled off, nine days of relative quiet, sector by sector, and it's an extraordinary complex, and potentially dangerous operation. we're talking 2,700 personnel distributing these vaccines in areas that had been through fire zones, it's going to require extraordinary discipline and coordination. yes, maybe it is a good sign. i think it's reasonable. again, negotiators have hoped for progress. they're back at it again. i believe from the beginning that it is possible for israel and hamas to sign an agreement that would allow the first phase of a three-phase cease fire plan to take effect. but it's going to be very
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difficult to get beyond the first phase, which requires limited exchange of hostages for palestinian prisoners, many with israeli blood on their hands, and in six weeks, he's fired. if they could get that, maybe, just maybe, it would create a foundation on which to build to look ahead toward the cessation and the permanent end to this war. again, by september 15, you could get this, it would be a minor miracle, and wonderful use of hostages and their families. 2.3 million palestinians in gaza. >> i can hear in your voice the exhaustion of just having to try to figure this out and to come on and talk to me about it, you know, every week or so. the two chief negotiators here, you have the people at the table but the two people who are really going to say yes or no,
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yahya sinwar and benjamin netanyahu, do these two men want to come to an agreement? >> that's the core question. my experience in israel negotiations, these are not typical negotiations. palestinian decision maker is in a tunnel somewhere, most likely surrounded or near proximity to hostages, and benjamin netanyahu is presiding over a very coherent and cohesive coalition, which shows no signs of fracturing. when negotiations close it is usually almost always because the advantages of doing the deal out weigh the disadvantages of not. there is urgency, and over these many months, i think it's sad. it's a tragedy for both peoples, and near sinwar nor netanyahu have felt the kind of urgency required. maybe, again, maybe, you could get them to agree to phase one,
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but beyond that, hamas is going to continue to hold the hostages, military hostages for a permanent cessation of facilities and israeli withdrawal from gaza. i don't think the netanyahu government would agree to that. first things first, let's do this polio vaccination program, see if that holds, negotiators will be added still, maybe a phase one deal, and then maybe a foundation in which to build to finally after a year, october 7, a year of this war could end. >> yeah. the urgency, you're talking about not having the urgency. i wonder what could possibly be more urgent than the situation that we're seeing. especially in gaza. with polio now a factor in that country. a 10-month-old, 11-month-old who has come down with polio, paralyzed in one of his legs. having to vaccinate that many
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children. is it clear how many gazans sinwar is willing to sacrifice to keep going with this war? >> he served 20 years in an israeli jail, he speaks fluent he brew, he's interactive with israelis, he knows exactly what the consequences would have been of what the october 7 plan was, to inflict as much cruelty and pain on military and civilians that has possible, and to demonstrate that hamas is the have piece, not abbas, not fattah, hamas is the center piece. he knew exactly what the israelis were going to do. the answer is cynically, cruelly, he was prepared to expend the lives of hundreds of thousands of palestinians and essentially condemn them to a future which even if you got a degree, is going to be
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incredibly bleak, given the amount of psychological trauma, let alone the humanitarian catastrophe and challenges of physical reconstruction. benjamin netanyahu, and i don't want to compare netanyahu to hamas, but in this respect, i think it's true. they keep the organizing premise of his world now is to maintain himself in power in an effort to avoid conviction or a plea deal for the three counts of bribery, fraud and breach of trust, in which he has been charged four years running now, in front of three judges in a jerusalem district court. sinwar is concerned about his survival, and probably somehow he will survive this. and benjamin netanyahu cannot sacrifice power for his own personal and political future. and it shows the power and the
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tragedy of leaders who are more concerned about their own personal futures than the well being and welfare of their respective countries and populations. and if this is ever going to end, it's ever going to end, you're going to need leaders both on the palestinian and israeli side that are masters of their politics, persuaded that for their own reasons, largely tethered to the futures of the respective people, come to some agreement. and don't have those leaders. >> sorry to interrupt you. you also need them to be masters at not just persuading the politics but persuading the people to lay aside their arms and to put aside the anger and resentment that has built for so many decades now, and to try to live amongst each other. you're going to need incredibly charismatic leaders who have the
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power to influence enough people on both sides that this is enough, that they need to try to live peacefully together, and that is a tall task. >> with tremendous courage paid with their lives. >> exactly. aaron david miller, thank you as always. >> thanks for having me. s new surge in mosquito-borne illnesses and how to avoid it. illnesses and how to avo iidt. for a limited time, subway just dropped the price of every footlong in the app to $6.99. wait, subway did what?! $6.99 footlongs? yep! says right here. $6.99 for any footlong. get this deal in the subway app now before it's too late.
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