their ability, it actually assists their ability. i recall when there was a major case on affirmative action for the university of michigan some years ago, one of the most persuasive briefs filed came from the u.s. military that said, diversity, equity, and inclusion was actually upping the readiness of its groups, building camaraderie teamwork, recruiting, and helpful in their mission. this nonsense that somehow dei means that we are no longer the top military we need to be is wrong , and it is dangerous here too barbara, great to talk to you about this, thank you for joining us. barbara mcquade, former united states attorney, cohost of the "sisters in law" podcast. george is back as a swing state after joe biden put it in the democratic column for the first time in two decades and as a focal point of trump political schemes. donald trump spent the week

giving conflicting answers about not only his own policy on abortion even how he personally plans to vote on abortion rights measures in his adopted home state of florida this fall. we will set it all straight ahead. according to the cdc, we are in the middle of the largest to wave in two years. i will speak to the doctor ala stafford about how to stay safe and about her work in the biden administration and her personal fight for justice. good morning. it good morning. it is saturday august 31st. 66 days until election day. this morning, i have joy's georgia on my mind, which is crucial for how this is playing out both in that state and nationally. georgia, a decidedly red state did not get much attention in presidential politics. it was won easily from republicans from bob dole to donald trump. but in 2020, joe

biden broke that streak, winning georgia, but by eight tiny 0.2% margin. and now, this election cycle, george's back in play as a swing state. it's back as the target of mischief. what we are seeing is a cross- section of the presidential race at large and the creeping threats that are laying the groundwork for postelection denial and chaos, and the starkly different tactics we are seeing on the ground from the two campaigns. after narrowly losing georgia to joe biden in 2020, donald trump was caught on a recorded phone call begging the state top election official to find him enough votes to overturn the result. that phone call is no central piece of evidence in the ongoing election fraud case. trump is giving off election interference vibes to his campaign in georgia this year during a dizzying digression filled rally earlier this month. donald trump bashed donald kemp

for not overturning the results of the 2020 election. he blamed kemp for his own ongoing legal troubles in this date. there are some republicans in georgia were being singled out for praise from donald trump. at a rally in the state earlier this month, he called out three election board members by name, saying they are on fire and fighting like peoples. those three pit bulls all question the results of the 2020 election when trump lost and they are now behind a new set of rules for this election cycle that seemed designed to allow elected officials to undermine the vote counting process. they aim to change local election supervisors. that's a job and going back a century was simply to count votes and report the numbers to the state. under the new system designed by trump's so-called pit bulls on the state election boards, these local election boards, these local officials must conduct a reasonable inquiry before certifying the results

and sending them to the states. the question of what counts as a reasonable inquiry is left intentionally vague, giving these local officials broad authority to search for supposedly regularity and refused to certify election results. democrats have sued to stop the new rules, arguing viggo will be on the board authority, which is to count votes and certify the election. the states republican secretary of date, brad raffensperger, the same guy who refused to find trump both the first time has spoken out about them. outside of the legislative process, undermining voter confidence and burden election workers. an attorney with the public rights project, a legal group that spoke out against the new rules, put it lightly. the motivation behind the rules was to give them wide discretion, not to certify election results. now, if you are wondering what local election officials in georgia might do with such wide

discretion, keep in mind the 19 election board members and nine georgia counties have challenged the certification of election results since 2020. i spoke to a member of the georgia state elections board, and she outlined a key concern. >> what we are concerned about is, this is an endless request for more and more documents that have nothing to do with the certification process, because that is what this rule is. it says that any individual board member -- not even the superintendent lived this may ask for more and more documents and keep pushing and pushing and undermining public confidence in the process of health and in the results. >> so that is what is at stake in georgia, and it is 16 electoral college votes. the basic functioning of democracy. it's also a big part of donald trump strategy there. not winning over new voters, but they being chaos and

another big lie. but remember, george is a swing state now, and kamala harris is running a campaign there that is not only different from the cynical play that donald trump is making, it's different even than what democrats have done in the past. traditionally, democrats have focused almost solely on george's biggest cities, avoiding spending time and money in the rural and very red areas. let's take a look at that. the blue areas are centered around these columbus, augusta, and in the southeast, two counties around savannah. in 2020, biden dominated urban cities and the big cities and surrounding suburbs but did little elsewhere. and it was a winning strategy, but just barely. harris is making a point of not just focusing on traditional democratic households, but taking her message to rural areas who rarely get presidential candidates campaigning from either party.

tim walz just completed a two day bus tour across south in georgia. this time, to southeast georgia , with which with the exception of the two counties around savannah, one of those solidly red areas thought to be largely unwinnable by democrats. what is emerging in georgia is a study in contrast to beckett apply nationwide. on one side, you democrats trying to win votes by seeking their message to the people by all appearances believing that they can win if they get voters to understand their message. on the other side, you have republicans acting as if their best shot at winning is to prevent people from voting and making it easier to contest the election results. joining me now, tamika miller, chairman of the georgia democratic party and dr. eddie, distinguished professor of princeton university and author of the important book, we are the leaders we have been looking for. thank you for being with us.

let me just ask you first. what was your instinct when you saw the george's republican party passed new laws that affect the certification process of election results. this fee feels like to meet the setting of the table for something bad. >> absolutely. first of all, it's great to see you. this is an indication that there are actors in the republican party were not committed to the democratic process. the way you set up a binary of the two campaigns, your one campaign that is trying to win votes, another is trying to suppress both so chaos. the latter actually reveals it very antidemocratic in its core. it's not committed to a democratic process. this sounds familiar to me. sounds a familiar part of donald trump's playbook. >> tamika, you know firsthand what voters are thinking and feeling in georgia. is it clear what is happening here, that this is not actually

an effort to make your elections better? it is literally an effort to potentially cause the delay so the votes are not certified by november 12, but the state can't actually say that. the board of elections can't say, we are looking for you actually delay the results. we kind of need you all to take a kind of different look at your result, so that maybe, maybe they don't get certified by november 12, which is the deadline. >> exactly, exactly. thank you for having me this morning. what we have found here in glass county, it is basically exactly what you said. we had democratic party members actually attend a board of elections meeting, and as the local board of election, they will assure the voters that no one that is a part of this body will be involved in anything that will not certify the votes

that will eventually be sent to the secretary of state's office. and as they stated, they would not allow that to happen. and we pressure them even more. even if outside entities were to come and try to influence you, would you remain integral? they stated that they would. as local democrats, we are continuing to push to ensure -- and we are advocating for poll watchers, poll workers to actually be a part of this process, overseeing that there is no voter intimidation, or no tactics that will keep or allow people to not exercise their rights. >> are you still able, tamika, to recruit poll watchers and poll workers ? is it too late for that, or cannot still happen?

>> no, sir. it is not too late. we are still recruiting poll watchers for this election. >> an important thing for people to remember. there's a lot of people out there saying how i get involved, i do i help? it seems you something to the civic will can do if they want to keep elections in georgia and across the country safe. eddie glaude, i want to talk about the way this campaign is unfolding. georgia was a thing the democrats had written off for a couple of decades. joe biden didn't want to write it off. the campaign of the reverend warnock was interesting, because he appealed not simply to black voters, but to moderate white voters, to independence, and it sort of took georgia into another's face. and now kamala harris is taking into yet another space. she's going to places where you might just not her a few votes here and there, but george's won by a few votes here and there.

>> look, she has 50 full-time staff in southern georgia. she has seven offices in southern georgia. she is 24 offices across the state. you think about 35,000 volunteers, there is a sense in which they want to play hard. they are blocking the tackle, which is so important to winning elections. what's important is they have to drive up the turnout in atlanta and fulton county and savannah and columbus, drive up and have historic numbers again to 2008, and they also have to lessen the margin, shrink the margin of defeated republican candidates. if they do that, then they are following out in the blueprint that stacy abrams did not only in 2020, but beforehand. they are following the blueprint and say they are looking for those low propensity voters. they understand rural america is not just white and republican, that there's other folks out there, so they can shrink the margin of defeat and

republican red counties and increase the margin of victory and democratic counties. that's a blueprint to win in georgia and in north carolina and across the u.s. >> they are playing like they're actually in the game and able to win. and i think that gives potential voters who might have said, my vote doesn't count -- i've had people say this to me the last month. my vote doesn't count. georgia is the opposite of that. your vote always count. what do you say to people as republicans were to sow confusion? what do you say to voters who say it is all very complicated and i need a phd in voting to follow all these rules. what's your simple message the folks in georgia? >> my simple message is basically this. i have always stated, what is the difference between a millionaires vote, a homeless person's vote, and a housewife's vote ? there is no difference at all. each individual person, those three votes matter.

and the margin that president biden won in 2020, you saw that every votes mattered. so we encourage voters to go out to the polls, be educated. make sure you have a plan to vote. either if it is by mail or if it is in person. early going, how they plan to vote. after they execute that plan, actually go out and vote and vote. and we need you to vote in large numbers, as mr. clark was saying. we need to end these republican counties. we have to take some of the load so that we will be able to assist those that are democratic majority counties. make sure in these towns, the 2020 -- actually, the county for a little while had turned blue. and we got excited.

all of a sudden, we were back right there again. that let us know that we need to put our boots on the ground, all hands on deck. make sure you knock on the doors, make sure you do your canvassing, phone banking, donating, whatever you need to do to get the word out. go and exercise your right, first and foremost, to encourage others. bring five people to vote with you. and once you do that, we honestly feel that even in these republican counties, we will make a difference in this election. >> i could just record that and play that on election day. if you take two minutes and please listen to this wherever you are in the country, because that the message everybody has got to hear. i have one more question for you that i want to talk to

about after the break. stick around. thank you for that. i wish that voting work today just like go out and live up to the promise that you just stated. thanks very much. tamika miller, democratic party in georgia. we are taking a quick break. we will be right back. (inaudible sounds) (elevator doors opening) wait, there's an elevator? only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, ♪ ♪ liberty. ♪ we realize some home maintenance jobs aren't worth the risk. that's when we call leaffilter to protect our gutters. leaffilter's patented filter technology keeps debris out of your gutters for good, guaranteed. call 833 leaffilter or visit leaffilter.com han is 22 years old. he's not just a pet, he really is a part of our family. knowing that he's getting good nutrition, that's a huge relief for me and my dad. (sings) old bean piglet head yes that is your name. if you saw his piglet head you would say the same. toot toot.

( ♪♪ ) luke's mom: without easterseals, my luke would be a very different luke. look up. where you going? luke's mom: there's an incredible urgency to get your child into services, because the longer you wait, these motor pathways are set in stone. i knew he needed help. he needed these services. i'm almost there. yes, you are. you're so close. you're so strong. i'm gonna say hi. okay! let's say hi. hi! nolan's mom: none of my friends or people in our network have a child with these needs. and then you go to easterseals and it's such a good feeling to feel like you're in good hands. they really understand what you're going through. jaxon: at one point, i wasn't able to walk or ride my bike. the little things that other people take for granted that i need help with. sometimes those are hard

because you don't want help. but you need it. but children can't get the help they need without support from people like you. go online, call this number, or scan this code and donate just $19 a month. luke's mom: these children deserve access to care, and they need help. and if the funding's not there, it's hard to reach every single family. so please, visit this website, call or scan now. it's just 63 cents a day to provide life-changing services to these children. therapist: you are literally creating an opportunity for this child to grow and to be an independent, successful adult. join now, and we'll send you this one-of-a-kind t-shirt with our heartfelt thanks. to reach into your heart and see what your donation can do for these kids. it really does make a difference.

you're helping kids believe in themselves. go online, call or scan now to change a child's life forever. the moment i met him i knew he was my soulmate. go online, call or scan now "soulmates." soulmate! [giggles] why do you need me? [laughs sarcastically] but then we switched to t-mobile 5g home internet. and now his attention is spent elsewhere. but i'm thinking of her the whole time. that's so much worse. why is that thing in bed with you? this is where it gets the best signal from the cell tower! i've tried everywhere else in the house!

there's always a new excuse. well if we got xfinity you wouldn't have to mess around with the connection. therapy's tough, huh? -mmm. it's like a lot about me. [laughs] a home router should never be a home wrecker. oo this is a good book title. >> back with >> back with me for a minute as dr. eddie glaude, distinguished professor at princeton university and author of several important books including we are believers we have been looking for. don't just vote, take five people with you. and then every vote matters, especially in a place like georgia or pennsylvania or oregon or wisconsin. but every vote matters everywhere. if you live in new york or california, the concept that my vote doesn't matter and just not be true of citizens. it cannot be true it is and.

your obligation is not simply a right. it's a hard won right, but it's an obligation. >> right. we can no longer outsource our responsibility for democracy. we have to take on stability. i think there's a more generous judgment of that kind of conclusion, and that is a judgment about the failure of government to deliver. when you have government that feels like it is only servicing the rich, the top 10%, the top 1/10 of a percent, that you see every four years there is an effort, they come, they show up, they tell you all these things they want to do, and then there's gridlock in washington, d.c. you see the level of distrust and government not only of the house of representatives, but the senate. and of course, we have the words of the imperial presidency. i say all of that not to use the judgment, but to understand it. it is not just simply a kind of civic laziness. it is not just to laziness. it's a judgment of the broken

nature of our cyst them, and the answer is not to sit on the couch. the answer -- and this is where we get back to voting -- the answers to get him paged and take responsibility for our democracy. >> i appreciate you always. eddie glaude is a distinguished professor of african-american studies at princeton university. still ahead on velshi, is november, abortion -related measures on the ballot in 10 states including florida. donald trump spent the weekend with conflicting answers to not only his own views on abortion, but how he plans to vote in his home state. >> i speak with our long-term friend, dr. ayla stanford. n x. jen y. and jen z. each planning their future through the chase mobile app. jen x is planning a summer in portugal with some help from j.p. morgan wealth plan. let's go whiskers. jen y is working with a banker to budget for her birthday.

you only turn 30 once. and jen z? her credit's golden. hello new apartment. three jens getting ahead with chase. solutions that grow with you. one bank for now. for later. for life. chase. make more of what's yours.

(woman 1) all right, here we go. chase. uggggh. (man 1) oh no, no, no, no, no, no! (man 2) what's my next step? oh! ugh. (girl) dad. (vo) you break it. we take it. (woman 2) we can take it. (vo) trade in any phone, in any condition at verizon for the new google pixel 9 with gemini. (man 2) give me a recipe with these ingredients. (girl) let's do that one. (vo) only on verizon.

>> for a few >> for a few years, we led the show with conversations every week. it doesn't top the news is much every anymore, and that's due to widespread responsibility with vaccines. it's not a huge danger to most americans, but it never did go away and there are vulnerable relations were made at risk. according to the cdc, covid cases are growing or likely growing in 20 states. many of them are west of the great lakes region as you see here on the map. we are in the midst of a summer surge. we are about to be joined by one of the most effective doctors and activists during the height of the covid crisis and one of the most tried and true and earliest friends of the show on this issue during that scary time. dr. ayla stanford founded the black doctors covid-19 consortium in 2020 as the pandemic was taking hold. dr. stanford, who was working as a full-time pediatric surgeon at the time, you a crisis of this magnitude would disproportionately affect the black and brown communities.

she also recognize the vast racial injustices in the healthcare system nationwide and more specifically in her hometown of philadelphia. she, along with other positions, provided hundreds of thousands of covid test. remember when you couldn't get test? in fact, dr. stanford gave me my first covid test. her goal is to inform and protect her new patients while also treating them like family. since then, she has founded the dr. ayla stanford center for equity. it earned her a position in the biden administration serving as a mid atlantic regional director in the department of health and human services. dr. stanford discusses her brand-new matt moore, take care of them like her own. faith, fortitude, and a surgeon's fight for health justice, which is in stores now. it is my remarkable honor as it always is to have you here.

let's talk about what's going on here. there is still covid around. there's a new vaccine that i believe is going to be available in the next week or so. and people aren't sure. they don't keep records of it anymore, doubly asks you for your vaccine. everybody i ask is ensure. what's going on with covid and what is going on with vaccines? >> it's been approved by fda. it will be rolled out at different times around the country. we are in a peek, but this is the time that we peek for a couple reasons. one, most people got their shots october, september, some people november. this shot is most effective the first six months. it starts to wane as you get closer to a year. that is exactly where we are right now. everyone has been at cookouts, we've been traveling, we've been a big conference is where there has been high viral load. that is why you are seeing the peak. we peek in july and we also peak around november and december, because again, folks are coming together.

should you get it? should answer that question? so should you get it, absolutely. number one, if you are immunosuppressed, if you're vulnerable, if you are pregnant, if you have chronic health conditions. absolutely no question. it is eligible for anyone who k you should get it even if you had covid, because when you add the vaccine on top of it, it amplifies your protection. if you had it this summer, you might want to wait two months, even three months and maximize that sort of passive immunity just from you having had covid. for people who say, well, i'm young, and healthy, it won't be that bad. it's like getting a cold. well, if you have the vaccine, it reduces your chance of getting it. it reduces the chance of severe disease and hospitalization. it reduces the chance of you are

transmitting it to someone else and there's no data that it reduces long covid. you don't want to be thinking about shortness of breath and a eunice and just not being yourself for something that is not preventable. >> you and i spent a lot of time not just talking to each other, but working with other people in the community. and people were -- you are addressing a few players. one, there is no availability of test, anyway. you are dealing with an underserved population from the perspective of health care. a lot of black people in philadelphia didn't have a primary care physician to start with and had comorbidities, either heart disease or suffering from diabetes or obesity. and then came some valid concerns about the government telling you to stick something in your arm that was created at warp speed. you have to really work through that, and you were only going to do it on the ground talking

to people one-on-one. i think literally people came to you because they trusted you. >> it has been fantastic, but we had to earn that trust. i don't want anyone to think the black and brown folks -- and white folks for that matter -- trusted me because i was black. i had to be present, provide barrier free care, and go to the communities where people -- >> you held these things in -- >> yes, parking lots and is three quarters. often times, black and brown folks don't trust the healthcare system. with the healthcare system has been untrustworthy. it's not like they woke up one day and said, i don't think i'll trust people. it's because of atrocities and current day events -- covid, for example -- were the resources that should have been available for the most vulnerable were not resident. that's why there is a been a need for the black doctors covid-19 consortium to come into existence to take care of those who were left behind.

>> you have black doctors, your church leaders, u.s. celebrities in the community all coming out to help and to build trust. i guess somebody would have to do a study on this. is there some measurement of health outcomes for these people will improve by virtue of the fact that they came to trust doctors? they may be thought, maybe i'll get it. >> absolutely. there is one representation specifically with black communities, there's evidence now that having just one black dr. in a county will improve overall health outcomes, because it is sometimes a lived experience, it is a cultural unders ending. it is a perspective you can provide your calling that they may not have. by no fault of their own. it is just a lived in.. it does make a difference, it does improve health outcomes and life expectancy. >> i remember a conversation with you, i think you got a little emotional talking about whether you should have gotten the vaccine. your science background, your doctorate, you said of course.

but there was someone in you that said, i have one of these legitimate and valid years of people in my community have. >> absolutely. that feeling is passed down culturally, like a recipe, for example. i really had to separate what i had learned for years in training in medical school and the lab versus what i felt as a black woman in america. but also recognize that i was a trusted messenger, and people were looking to me for guidance. what i did was much of what they followed. i didn't take that likely. >> i remember that well. thank you for all you did for us and for our viewers. dr. gila stanford is the founder of both the dr. ala stanford center for health equity in the black doctors covid-19 consortium. she is the author of the brand- new book, take care of them like my own:, fortitude, and a surgeon's light for health justice. still ahead, the biggest protest of the popular movement

to restore abortion rights. lig, i knew something was wrong. then i saw my doctor and found out i have afib, and that means there's about a 5 times greater risk of stroke. symptoms like irregular heartbeat, heart racing, chest pain, shortness of breath, fatigue, or light-headedness, can come and go. but if you have afib, the risk of stroke is always there. if you have one or more symptoms, get checked out. making that appointment can help you get ahead of stroke risk. this is no time to wait.

>> the defense of >> the defense of reproductive rights remains a potent electoral issue more than two years after the supreme court overturned roe v wade. in the years since, proponents of abortion rights of long it is that the popularity of political power protecting women's bodily autonomy have adopted a new approach. they put the question of abortion rights directly to the people, and so far, it has resulted in great success. since the fall of 2022, abortion -related referenda have appeared on the ballot in states, and in all six instance, voters chose to protect abortion rights. two of those states, kansas and kentucky, voters rejected proposals that would have further curtailed a women's right to decide what to do with her body.

meanwhile, california, michigan, ohio, and vermont voted to amend or can't do tuitions to explicitly assert that the people in those states have a right to an abortion. now this year, 10 morse dates are hoping to follow that lead. abortion related referenda will appear on the ballot this november in arizona, colorado, florida, maryland, montana, nebraska, nevada, new york, and south dakota. this will be a big test for the reproductive rights movement that could reveal the limits or the lack thereof of this political strategy. colorado, maryland, and new york have a history of protecting reproductive rights, the passage appears likeliest in that state. each state produces its own challenge. for instance, in florida, amending the constitution requires passage by 60% of voters, which is a higher threshold than the 55% required in colorado, and the simple

majority needed and all the others dates on this list. meanwhile, enshrining abortion rights into nevada's tuition is still years away even if the referendum passes this year. it requires any amendment to its constitution to pass twice, which means that the ballot measure in nevada must pass this year, and then again in 2020. before it can be adopted. additionally, opponents of abortion rights have been working overtime to either prevent or undermine these efforts in multiples. last month, arizona abortion access for all, submitted more than 823,000 signatures in order to get its initiative on the ballot, which was more than twice as many signatures then needed, which is an early sign of the white publics of work for that measure. two weeks ago, the supreme court in arizona ruled that

voter pamphlets can refer to an embryo or a fetus as, quote, an unborn human being, which is deliberately misleading language drafted up by republican lawmakers in order to you the vote. something similar is happening in missouri where there are multiple outs pending lawsuits over its ballot measure that needs to be resolved within the next 10 days. a pro-abortion rights group is also suing over misleading language over the initiative drafted by the republican secretary of state. additionally, an antiabortion coalition filed a separate lawsuit arguing that the proposal is overly broad and should not appear on the ballot. things are a bit more nuanced in montana where abortion is currently still legal, but only because of a legal precedent set by the supreme court in 1999. some of the state executives and lawmakers have a history of hostility toward reproductive rights. earlier this year, the republican attorney general in montana attempted to block the measure from appearing on the ballot before the state supreme court eventually overruled him. that is why montana's

referendum, which seeks to make the right to an abortion explicit in its constitution is necessary to ensure that abortion rights in that state are protected. meanwhile, the situation is more fraught in nebraska, where opponents have adopted an even more aggressive strategy. this november, two abortion -related measures are going to be on nebraska's ballot. one measure, called the right to protect abortion and codify into the amendment of the constitution to protect abortion. the second measure was proposed by abortion opponents, and it seeks to enshrine abortion restrictions in the constitution. that measure, if passed, would amend nebraska's const tuition to ban abortions in the second and third trimesters. in the case that both of these measures receive a simple majority, the one that receives the most about will be formally adopted. and there is one outlier on this list of 10.

south dakota, where abortion isn't just bad with no exceptions for incest, abortion is a crime. south dakota's referendum doesn't go as far as a referenda in other states. it does seek to legalize abortion during the first trimester and only allow it in the second trimester if the woman's health is in danger. unlike nebraska, there is no competing initiative that gives voters the option to fully enshrine abortion into the const tuition, but it will restore some level of abortion access in a state that has made it entirely impossible to receive that care. abortion has been a pivotal factor in the last couple of years and this year will be the first time in the country will hold a presidential election since roe fell. a lot of attention is going to be paid to how the politics of reproductive rights could affect the presidential race and where it goes from here. when we come back, we will continue that discussion with two of the most insightful guests on this topic.

kathy spiller and the president and ceo of reproductive freedom for all. anywhere. so i started my own studio. and with the right help, i can make this place i love even better. earn up to 5% cash back on business essentials with the chase ink business cash card from chase for business. that grimy film on your teeth? dr. g? ♪♪ it's actually the buildup of plaque bacteria which can cause cavities. most toothpastes quit working in minutes. but crest pro-health's antibacterial fluoride protects all day. so it stops cavities before they start... crest.

>> in florida, the >> in florida, the state that you are a resident of, there is an abortion related amendment on the ballot to overturn the six week span in florida. how are you going to vote on that? >> i think the six week is too

short. and i told him that i want more weeks. b mike you will vote in favor of the amendment? >> i want to be boding that we need more than six weeks. >> donald trump being inconsistent. imagine that. that's what donald trump said earlier this week when he was asked how he will vote on the ballot measure enshrining abortion rights in the state constitution of florida were trump resigns. he has since clarified he will actually vote no on florida's abortion ballot measure. okay. getting him out of the way for a second, joining out discuss one of the biggest issues on the ballot this year, kathy spiller, cofounder and she is also the executive director of miss magazine. and many is the president and ceo of the group reproductive freedom for all. i'm sorry to kick off your segment with a clip i donald trump. his inconsistency is uninteresting muse, generally speaking, but it does speak to

something important -- that it is not that inconsistent. what donald trump and this project 2025 want to do, there is no mystery in this. there's just no mystery. you can call it giving it back to the states, you can call it a ban on abortion, you can call it whatever you want. women will not control their reproductive rights and their bodies under a republican administration after november if that happens. >> i mean, women in 22 states are already not controlling the reproductive freedom because of donald trump and his actions. we have seen this week remarkable newsmaking by trump on abortion and reproductive read him. a few days ago, he also rolled out an ivf policy that was, quite frankly, ridiculous. he has a very high level of awareness of how unpopular his record is, his position is, and his party is with voters overall. look, at the end of the day, we have the receipt.

jd vance in the senate voted against an ivf bill. there have been ivf legislations moving to the senate that republicans have blocked over and over again. as you pointed out, and project 2025, but also the gop program, they have language that will essentially say embryos are people. so that is the root underlying issue for all of this. trump's knows it's unpopular. is going to say anything he can to distract from his record and get voters confused. as you said, if you're paying attention, it is very, very clear were trump and vance are and how much worse it could get. they can move the comstock act and enforce it with or without congress and essentially have a national abortion ban. they could restrict mifepristone even further and essentially have a national abortion ban. it is our job to make sure they are very, very clear on that. >> more abortions are performed using method for stone than anything else.

if the comstock act is used, which would classify this in the same way as pornography, you couldn't mail mifepristone to people in the country. this is important people in michigan and california and new york. you think that part of what is driving the unpopularity of these abortion bans is a dawning realization among the population that abortion is actually healthcare? that used to be a radical thing to say. people used to call that controversial. now we see women telling stories about nearly dying because they are denied miscarriage management, and that is just a statement of fact. they are not getting their healthcare. >> you exactly put your finger on the issue. we are not being in the states that ban abortion or highly restrict abortion these horrible stories, near death, and in some cases, women have died because they have been denied simple abortion care under these bans when they presented in emergency rooms and were bleeding out.

and that is what -- this strikes a chord with people. women and men. women see themselves, their daughters, their cyst is. men see their daughters or their wives at risk. the longer these bans are in place, the more the stories come out, the firmer american people are about where they are on this issue. there's no question in. the vast majority of people in this country, democrats, independents, and republicans -- are against government interference with the access to abortion and reproductive health care services. 74% they are opposed to the government interfering. that's what these bans do. and the ballot measures that will be appearing on the november ballot are the way to get rid of these bans. you know, the reason they are appearing in the states is because the state constitutions allow for citizen initiatives to place these measures before the voters.

many states do not allow such measures to come before the voters, initiated by the distance. some states are just stuck until we get policies at the federal level that will get rid of these bans and ensure that women, no matter what z.i.p. code they live in, and have access to life-saving care and to healthcare, including abortion. >> let's talk about some of these referenda and nebraska, maybe watching that very close, to the point that we were talking about earlier. every vote matters and nebraska will be proof of that on election night. the secretary of state says this is the first time the two competing proposals would not work together have made it onto the ballot at the same time. i want to talk about that. if they both get more than the simple majority, the one that gets the most votes will go into force. which means every vote will absolutely count and nebraska. using this approach before?

>> i have not. not yet. that doesn't mean it hasn't happened, but we haven't seen this in recent times. i will say nebraska is also interesting because of the way the equatorial votes are split by congressional districts. there's going to be a lot of activity in nebraska that folks may not have been anticipating. as a competitive congressional race that is relevant to get to 270 for kamala harris and tim walz. i think there's going to be a lot of investment in nebraska and it's going to be really important to cut through the disinformation on the antiabortion side about these ballot measures. they are pretty confusing side- by-side, and so it's going to be really important that voters are being communicated to very clearly about the stakes, and is going to be interesting to see how that plays out. i think we are going to see a lot more attention on nebraska. >> kathy, what are you expecting to happen here?

what we have generally seen with those for six referenda is that they drive votes. losing polling indicates that even if abortion is your second or third big concern, and maybe the one that gets you to the polls. so tell me what you anticipate. >> there is no question that the abortion issue gets people to the polls, especially women, and especially young women. we have seen that in referendum after referendum. women come out in droves, especially young women, and they vote overwhelmingly to support abortion rights. he also condition their vote for candidates on where the candidate is on abortion rights. as long as the candidates are using abortion and reproductive rights in their campaign ads and their materials and are very clear where they stand, they are going to get a huge about. not only by democrats, but by independent, especially independent women and republican women. let's face it. republican women are crossing the line to vote for candidates that will ensure access to

abortion. it's the reason we are winning these referendums with such large margins. that is not just democrats, it's democrats, independents, and especially republican women. the only way that these antiabortion measures can win is if the republican secretaries of state, attorneys general play dirty tricks. and they change the language that will appear on the ballot to confuse voters, or they try and block the measure from even getting to the ballots, which we have seen in arkansas, for example. the good news is, is that voters are not stupid, especially women voters. they can see through the tricks, they know what they want, and they are going to go to the polls and pass the valid measures to ensure constitutional rights for women. >> kathy spiller, cofounder of feminist majority foundation as well as executive director of ms. magazine, president and ceo

of reproductive freedom for all. we will be right back. chase freedom unlimited. so, if you're off the racking... ...or crab cracking, you're cashbacking. cashback on flapjacks, baby backs, or tacos at the taco shack. nah, i'm working on my six pack. switch to a king suite- or book a silent retreat. silent retreat? hold up - yeeerp? i can't talk right now, i'm at a silent retreat. cashback on everything you buy with chase freedom unlimited with no annual fee. how do you cashback? chase. make more of what's yours.

craig here pays too much for verizon wireless. so he sublet half his real estate office... how do you cashback? [ bird squawks loudly ] to a pet shop. meg's moving company uses t-mobile. so she scaled down her fleet to save money. and don's paying so much for at&t, he's been waiting to update his equipment! there's a smarter way to save. comcast business mobile. you could save up to 70% on your wireless bill. so you don't have to compromise. powering smarter savings. powering possibilities.

introducing a revolution in pain relief. absorbine junior pro, the strongest numbing pain relief available. it's the only solution with two max strength anesthetics for fast penetrating relief absorbine junior pro. nothing numbs pain more. that does it that does it for me. i will be back here tomorrow morning from 10:00 a.m. to noon eastern. stay right where you are, the katie phang show starts right now. i'm katie phang, live from telemundo studios in a