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here is the week that was. >> israel defense forces say this 52-year-old israeli man was rescued from an underground tunnel during a complex mission in southern gaza. a new indictment from a federal grand jury in an election case against federal donald trump. stripped away supreme court acts that are off-limits in immune from prosecution. >> semper fi. sounds like we have some fans and some haters. that's okay. mr. trump also did pending his campaign's recent conduct at arlington national cemetery. >> i don't of the rules and regulations, i don't know who did it. >> it with your campaigns tiktok the put out ? >> i want to be passionate about protecting reproductive rights. the contract cannot be clearer about what we are running against. >> i am running because i believe that i am the best person to do this job at this

moment. for all americans. we have breaking we have breaking news as you join us at the beginning of the katie phang show. attorneys for former president donald trump late yesterday filed two briefs with the appellate division first apartment in new york. making many of the same arguments they have made in the past, this deals with the civil fraud judgment that was rendered against donald trump, his two adult sons, and several of his businesses. that was the case that was brought by attorney general in new york, letitia james. we will be getting a little bit more into that when we are joined by glenn kershner. but we are here also to talk about the tale of two timelines. also, overnight in trump's d.c. federal election interference case there was a filing, a joint status report we were all waiting for to be able to get

information in front of judge tanya chutkan to decide the progress of that case. in his proposal, special counsel jack smith emphasizing the urgency of this case, saying the court should immediately make immunity determinations and advising that he is standing at the ready to file his opening brief, saying, quote, as promptly and at any time the court deems appropriate. on the other hand, trump's proposal unsurprisingly suggesting more and more delay. his legal team argues that before deciding any questions over immunity, judge chutkan much decide whether jack smith can even proceed as special counsel in this case. trump's proposed date aims to put the start of any potential trial in this d.c. case until well after the next inauguration in 2025. so, what will judge chutkan do? all eyes will be on her this coming thursday when both sides convened to discuss the future of the case. meanwhile, trump's busy

september is chock-full of hearings in the e jean carroll election case, the election interference case, and the new york civil fraud case. joining me now for more, glenn kershner, federal prosecutor, emison bc legal analyst, and because of the amazing justice matters podcast. glenn, i'm going to make you johnny on the spot here. we did get some information from that filing in the new york attorney general civil fraud case. it is a reply brief. to just get people who are tuning in, up to speed, there was an appeal done by donald trump. the new york ag's office has been filing its arguments in front of the appellate court. donald trump has done the same, as we just noted. but it was stuff that was already argued in front of justice arthur ingrown. your thoughts before we move on about what is next in this process. >> donald trump's lawyers seem to be the king of repetition. in every case they make the

same arguments over and over and over, largely, as you mentioned, for delay. how many times did they ask in the criminal trial in new york to recuse himself. i think we are up to four and counting, and they are rejected every time. i think any time he files a repetitious claim that has been rejected by courts previously, they are going to be rejected again. >> so, let's move on to the joint status report, that was definitely something we were waiting for last night. it got filed at the 11th hour, no pun intended. so i am really focusing on this. because jack smith wants to file something that he has called an opening brief, and he wants to do this because he wants to explain to judge chutkan why the immunity issues in the supreme court's immunity rolling do not apply now to the superseding indictment that he filed earlier this week. but then, as i noted, donald trump just want to basically

delay it. in fact, trump says you can't even get the immunity arguments until you deal with the fact of whether or not special counsel jack smith can even proceed on this case. >> yeah, katie, this is a joint status report, which should be kind of a boring, run-of-the- mill kind of submission to the court. it is 10 pages long. it is anything but boring and run-of-the-mill. there is one what i would call money lied, and it is on page two. the first two pages are jack smith saying listen, judge chutkan , the supreme court has returned the case to you to litigate the presidential immunity issue in the aftermath of the guidance the supreme court handed down. and in the first two pages, jack smith proposes to do just that. here is what i would call the money line. he says that the government, the prosecutors propose that it will file a brief in which we will explain why immunity does not apply to the categories of allegations in the superseding new indictment, or, and here is, i think, the important information. for additional unplanned categories of evidence that the government intends to introduce

in trial and will put in this brief. what does that mean? finally, it means that even though we know some of the information about donald trump's crimes and conduct, because we have read both the original 45 page indictment and the newly released 36 page indictment, jack smith just said judge chutkan, i'm going to put lots of other information and evidence about donald trump's crimes and conduct. so you have it all. so you can make a decision about whether each thing donald trump did was official or unofficial, might enjoy immunity, or should not enjoy immunity. and of course, donald trump's lawyers for the next 7 1/2 pages put a bunch of nonsense in their, designed to delay the case, and specifically they set out a timetable through spring or fall of 2025, and they don't even get to the immunity question. why? because they don't want any of that new evidence and information coming out before the election or at any other

time, if they can help it. now what remains to be seen is when will judge chutkan say okay, we're going to litigate this issue. i want the briefs. will they be september, will maybe october? because those briefs, according to what jack smith said, are likely to contain a whole bunch of information that the grand jury knows about donald trump's crimes, but that the american people do not yet know about. >> yeah, that critical adjective that you're pointing out is the quote unplanned evidence, the allegations meaning they have not been included in the language of the superseding indictment, and that is that evidence about which the grand jury knows, but america has not seen. and i will note, also, that this is not going to be filed under seal. if jack smith does this opening brief, everybody, including all of us gets treated. something that really bothered me about what trump did in his proposed deadlines, is when he said that the special acute counsel appointment issue has

to be determined first. he cited two things. one was justice clarence thomas concurrence in that immunity opinion, and the other was judge cannon's dismissal of the classified documents espionage case. what does that tell you, then, about what trump is trying to do when it comes to getting immunity decided later, and special counsel jack smith appointment decided first? >> well, to any attorney who cares about and understands the rules when it comes to briefing of the case, there is a real problem when there is a controlling supreme court precedent. the nixon case from 1974, which said of course special counsel is not only lawful, but richard nixon has to comply with the subpoena to turn over the tapes. courtesy of the subpoena issued by that lawfully appointed special prosecutor. and when a defense attorney refuses, declines to put that kind of controlling, contrary authority in a brief, that is

not going to win him any points with judge chutkan or any other judge. but it is clear what they are trying to do. they want to try to stack all of these other motions on the calendar before they ever get to the crimes donald trump committed. and katie, that is why the supreme court remanded this case to judge chutkan . it was to resolve the immunity question, which is what is supposed to be resolved first. because, as we all know, immunity, you can appeal it presently. you don't have to wait until the end of the trial. donald trump's lawyers, i don't think, did themselves any service by filing this motion, which was largely nonresponsive to what the question was that was to be addressed and decided. >> i think trump has, once again, underestimated judges that will actually go toe to toe to him without, and one of them is judge tanya chutkan. thanks for getting us started and getting us caught up on all

things legal. justice matters. still to come on the katie phang show, evangelicals for harris. could the christian vote help kamala harris take the white house? i will ask texas state represented in and devout christian his thoughts. but first, gaining ground as trump plays defense. vice president harris continues to make headway in the polls on the heels of her first major interview alongside running mate governor tim walz. keep it right here on msnbc. we know running a small business takes a lot of grit and hustle. so we're the "stress less" store. and the "we've got your back" store. because when you trust us to pack it and ship it, we guarantee, so it'll get into the hands of your customers safely. which is why we're the "stand by work guaranteed" store. come into the ups store today. and be unstoppable.

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>> i think six >> i think six weeks is too short. it has to be more time. and i've told them that i want more weeks. >> so you will vote in favor of the amendment? >> i am going to be voting that we need more than six weeks. that was donald trump on thursday saying that he would vote for a florida ballot measure that would overturn the state's six-week abortion ban. then just 24 hours later, after an onslaught of backlash from his conservative evangelical base, he flip-flopped and said this. >> so, i think six weeks, you need more time. like six weeks, i have disagreed with that right from the early primaries, when i heard about it i disagreed with it. at the same time, the democrats are radical, because nine months is just a ridiculous situation. so i will be voting no for that reason. >> let's be clear, because there is no fact checking

there. there is no after you are born killing of babies by democrats. so, if trump is anything, he is consistently inconsistent. joining me now is lindy lee, mid-atlantic regional chair for the dnc, and political strategist. and susan del percio, republican strategist and msnbc political analyst. i want to thank both of you for joining it me today. susan, that was quick. why he did the flip flop is pretty obvious, but the real question is, will that flip flop have a tangible impact on his supporters? i feel like he insults their intelligence if he thinks they cannot figure him out. >> i don't think it will have any effect, katie. and it is great to be with you today. the reason i don't think it will have any effect is because he had to flip flop. he had to go back to a more pro- life stand that he once didn't have, that he had, we could go back and forth. he was never going to win over moderate republican women or

right-leaning independents with the statement he made about it has to be more than six weeks, and going to the states. but what he was in danger of doing was losing some of his right to life support. and the trump election, right now, his campaign is strictly focused on base turnout. much, ironically, how the harris team is running their campaign. this is all about getting your voters out, and in trump's case, some people who may be have never voted before. so it makes sense that he went there. the thing that is so frightening, and i wish both sides would kind of recognize, although i think the folks who are not for trump do, is that trump had no idea what the heck he was talking about. do you honestly think he knew what the constitutional amendment in florida was that he was referring to? he said six weeks is too short. he did not know that texas put that into effect immediately. so he just doesn't know anything about the issues, and

what should be insulting to voters is that he doesn't care. >> well, to susan's point, if there is no pushback by the media, if there is no fact checking, if there is nothing being done to make sure that donald trump has to actually explain what is going on, and really show how he doesn't know what is going on, i think this actually bodes so poorly for him for the presidential debate that is coming up on september 10th. kamala harris does not suffer fools, and she has no problem calling out lies. >> katie, thank you so much for having me. we can count on you to do this, because you consistently point out the hypocrisy. and thank you, that is a tremendous service. yes, it is not a surprise that trump does not want to debate, harris, a seasoned prosecutor who made quick work of jeff sessions, brett kavanaugh, and bill barr. and to susan's point, he did not know what it was. he was asked a few weeks ago, and he was just dodging because

he had no idea that it means an abortion pill. he has no idea, and no understanding of women's bodies. yet, he wants us to somehow forget that he was associated with products 2025. that hundreds of his staffers helped offer this plan, that he wants us to forget that he is the reason why we have three right-wing extremists on the supreme court. that he is the reason why we no longer have several reproductive freedoms. and he is the reason why roe v wade was overturned. he wants to rewrite history, to make us forget, and to make us think he is not actually that extreme when he was incredibly extreme. and he has a running mate who is even worse than him, which is saying a lot. >> susan, i want to get your take on the latest of unearthed comments that came from jd vance. take a quick listen to this. >> so many leaders of the left, and i hate to be so personal about this, but their people without kids, trying to brainwash the minds of our children. and that really disorient me, and it really disturbs me. the head of the most powerful

teachers union in the country, she doesn't have a single child. if she wants to brainwash and destroy the minds of children, she should have some of her own and leave hours the hell alone. >> i want to say right now, randi weingarten is one of the greatest evil we have in this country, and she is the stepmother to two children, so not only is he factually wrong, but he is morally wrong. my question is, where is melania trump? neither of these women we are seeing on the campaign trail talking about this issue, but more importantly, packing up and providing any type of support for their spouses. we do see in here, we hear about her journey with ivf and with infertility, are trump and vance so politically radioactive that there are no republican women, even their own spouses, who are willing to speak in support of him? >> well, i think we only saw melania trump once since the convention, and she did a quick stop and that was it.

so, both of these candidates are so flawed when it comes to their conversation with women and about women. and i am not surprised we don't see misses vance out on the campaign trail, because i don't understand how she could possibly support some of the things that have been said. except that she supports her husband's political career. but most women don't want to be on the record with these things, because they are so absurd. and i would like to say that randy weingartner, and i remember when she was in charge in new york, we disagreed many, many times. there was no dedicated professional more so than her. she has given her life to what she is doing. and if you recall, that was right on the heels of when mike pompeo started calling her one of the most dangerous people in the world, which then led to death threats on her. so, to be clear, this rhetoric is not just ugly and in defensive, it is also very

dangerous. and that is what we should be aware of when we are looking at putting someone like jd vance in the number two position. he is reckless and dangerous. >> i have less than a minute, but i did want to point out and give you some flowers. you go on places like fox news, you go to places where we would not venture, and when you are doing it you are doing it and delivering a message. my question for you is this. as a woman of color, especially, you are not an echo chamber on the quote left. you are going to places where you can reach people. do you think that it is resonating? are people hearing you when you're doing that? >> well, katie, i want to say people don't ask me on air about being a woman of color. and i am almost in tears right now because you are asking me. it is so touching me. as a woman of color you understand that. my messages certainly resonating. i get personal messages from fox viewers saying we may not agree on everything politically, but we understand that you love this country just as much as i do.

and it is so important not to see the ground. that is why i love the fact that walz and harris are going into rural georgia, to try to reach out to these conservative and rural voters, democrats have given up on for so long. so, katie, thank you so much for everything you're doing. >> lindy lee and susan del percio, it is great to see above. thank you for being here today, i appreciate it. and on saturday, september 7, don't miss the opportunity to attend msnbc live democracy 2024. our premier fan event in brooklyn, new york, it is a final chance to buy tickets for the first of its kind in person interactive experience, where you can hear from some of your favorite hosts and experts as we approach the homestretch of this historic and unprecedented election cycle. scan the qr code on your screen or go to msnbc.com/democracy 2024 to buy your tickets now.

when we return, disgrace and dishonor. trump does it again, showing his disrespect for military veterans by illegally campaigning at arlington cemetery. fred walden, army combat veteran and the chairman of forgotten democrats will weigh in. keep it right here on msnbc.

breaking overnight, the breaking overnight, the united states military divulging that an operation in a rack on thursday killed at least 15 islamic state militant group fighters. and resulted in at least six u.s. soldiers suffering injuries. furthermore we have nbc foreign correspondent matt bradley, who joins me now live from tel aviv. matt, it is good to see you. tell us the latest of what you're hearing on the ground. >> reporter: yeah, this is an x- ray operation. you don't hear much about the islamic state or u.s. operations in iraq, but it goes to show it that there is still

life fighting there. this was such a situation in which it looked as though it was in the western part which we have heard from several years ago, another blast from the past from the iraq war. that was a very restless province back then. mostly a sunni province, where there was a lot of al qaeda prevalence and a lot of islamic states. this was an operation that was done in partnership with iraqi forces by u.s. troops. and officials from the united states government had told nbc news that about half a dozen u.s. troops were injured, most of them non-life-threatening. but some of them had what could be called, or what they believe could be traumatic brain injuries. so it is unclear exactly whether or not those are very horrible injuries, whether they are really debilitating. but this was something that was actually announced two days after it happened. this was a thursday morning operation. it was unclear why the u.s. government made this very public announcement two days after the operation, when the iraqis had made it a little bit earlier, without mentioning that they had done in

partnership with u.s. troops. but this is a point of controversy in iraq, the continuing presence of u.s. troops. it has been nearly three years since the u.s. announced the end of its decades long, or more than a decade long combat mission in iraq. but there are still about 2500 u.s. troops serving in an advisory capacity. now, the u.s. had said that the u.s. government had said that there were isis troops,wj+ isis commandos who were jx-cded with suicide belts and heavy weaponry, and that 15 of them were killed in this operation. now, this points to islamic state, another name that our audience might not of heard in a little while. but there are operations by islamic state regularly in afghanistan, sometimes in africa, and we have seen suspected terrorist operations that were thought to involve islamic state elements in one case, targeting a taylor swift concert in vienna. so the islamic state no longer has that caliphate that allowed it to operate in iraq and syria

for so long. it is still a live terrorist organization throughout the world. >> matt bradley, thank you again for joining us in getting us the latest on this information. i appreciate it. turning for a deeper dive into the latest controversy and boiling donald trump and the united states military. on thursday the u.s. army said a trump aid, quote, abruptly pushed aside and arlington employee who sought to enforce restrictions on where trump and his campaign could take photos and videos. the army noting that the campaign had been, quote, made aware of federal laws and army regulations, and dod policies which clearly prohibit political activities on cemetery grounds. trump defended the visit, saying this. >> did we take a picture? i said sure, i am not thinking about a campaign. i stood there and said if you would like to have a picture,

we can have a picture. if somebody did it, this was a set up by the people in the administration. >> i don't need that publicity. i get a lot. i get too much. i would like to have half the publicity. i want to hire a pr person to get me half the publicity. >> joining me now is fred wallman, and arming national chairman of the forgotten democrats. sometimes i feel like we can't even get through that. okay, fred. publicity. that is the newest one for him, which i think is just as bad as all the other excuses. this is a cemetery of hallowed ground, where american heroes are laid to rest. as usual, trump blames everybody else, does not take response ability for his own actions, but he has gone so far as to accuse the gold star families for the photo op that was his campaign, or claiming it was now a set up by the biden harris ministration. all of them are pretty low excuses. >> but it is typical, isn't it? thank you for having me to discuss this, i am passionate

about this topic. i served 22 years in the army, i lost in combat. something i say often is anyone who served since 9/11, any of us who went downrange, even those who didn't are probably 1 to 2 degrees of separation from someone buried in section 60. so, to actually get in a scuffle in section 60, where it is the living part of the cemetery. i try to explain that to a lot of people, section 60 is recent burials. there are families there visiting their family members, and he disrespected that that much. but this is what he does. member, he blamed the gold star families for giving him covid, even though he got it probably at the big event or amy coney barrett. he has never expected our service, he is never understood why we do it. and this is yet another example. >> fred, i want to say that i was remiss in not thanking you immediately for your service straight out of the gate. so thank you. fred, the u.s. house oversight committee, the democrats on the committee, they want answers. they are formally requesting to the united states army the incident report and information

surrounding what happened at arlington. i suspect, fred, that more is going to come out about exactly what went down there. >> that is the question. the families have been saying from the beginning, this is two families or three families of the 13 we lost tragically at abby gate, and the withdraw from afghanistan. they keep saying well, we invited him. that's okay. i respect the family's in their grief. but in the end, there are 400,000 americans buried in arlington. another several thousand justin section 60 alone. it is not up to one or two families to decide what laws can be waived and what can't. industry case we have to find out. i want to know who did file the request to have the private event. this was a private event. this was not one of the official ones. that's okay. i would like to see the police report. there was a police report filed by the employee and by the witnesses. it seems hard to believe that only the victim can file charges

, when a federal law was broken in our most hallowed ground. so i am really happy to see the oversight committee, jamie raskin and others, i would like to see the senate, our social committees step into this. this is a very serious breach of our most hallowed ground. >> i wonder if speaker mike johnson even wants that information out, because it is my understanding that mike johnson had something to do for this. so, trump spokesperson stephen chung accuse the arlington staffer who is physically assaulted as, quote, suffering from a mental health episode. while trump campaign manager tweets, quote, reposting this hoping to trigger the hacks at the army. i mean, fred, the fish rots from the head down. governor spencer cox issued an apology, because his campaign released an apology that was taken when spencer cox was at arlington with trump, and yet we have not heard an apology from trump.

we haven't heard anything from the campaign that would indicate any mea culpa for doing anything wrong. >> and you never will. that is not what they do. it is attack, attack, attack. we know that. is the republican playbook. i used to work with some of them. they are always going to attack. lacevita, especially, is one of the most offensive to me. he is a combat veteran of desert storm. he has a purple heart. he knows how important arlington is. and for him to not just break the rules so blatantly, but to have the audacity to taunt and attack the civilians. let me tell you, i had a show the other day called on the line, and i had two of my guests , former old guard members who handled funerals and handled the respect. i had a gold star mom on her show talking about how important it is, that section. and the idea that someone who is himself a veteran attacking the people who treat background as hallowed as it is, and to treat them like dirt. and that is just what we get from these guys.

we sought in the first administration, and don't forget, trump had three of his buddies from mar-a-lago as personal advisers to the secretary of the va illegally. they have never respected the norms, traditions. but in this case it is an actual law. >> fred, quickly, trump's disdain and disrespect brings such dishonor to the u.s. military. things like this, this act of selfishness and the refusal to acknowledge when something is wrong, our veterans watching and hearing and feeling and sharing the anger that you have over what happened at arlington? >> well, if my phone blowing up as an example, yes. this is interesting to me, because i have seen so much anger, even on most politically neutral veteran fronts. in one of the things i say often, when you have met one veteran, you've met one veteran. there are 16 million veterans, at any given time that is about 6% of the u.s. population. we all have different opinions.

we are split down the middle politically. contrary to popular belief, we are not a republican. but what i have seen is a passion for my normally politically neutral friends, and just fury. again, arlington is different. look, trump has done things. we have read the reports, we saw him on camera in 2015 say he likes people that were captured. and that did not kill his career. but arlington is, in a lot of ways, a third rail for many of us. and this is not just military members, this is family members. i have had as many military spouses tapping in. just everyone. so i think this one is different. it seems to be really energizing our community in ways i have not seen previously. >> fred wellman, i want to thank you for your service and thank you for being here today. >> my pleasure, katie. thank you for having me. coming up next, the chosen one? an evangelical group says that kamala harris is the better pick to uphold its christian values. but will enough of the flock

vote to make a real impact on the election? i will ask texas state representative james talarico what he thinks. we are back after a short break.

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well, evangelical well, evangelical christians have traditionally been one of the most reliable voting blocs for the republican party. there is a group that is praying that they can break that trend. evangelicals for harris is made up of over 200,000 christians who are pledging to vote for vice president kamala harris. they view harris as a candidate who better upholds the tenants of their faith and are hoping to convince more of their christian brothers and sisters to join them. joining me now, texas democratic state representative james talarico . representative, it is a pleasure to have you back on the show. i will note, you are a democrat who is also a christian and a seminarian. listen, they don't have to be mutually schizo things. talk a bit about how you balance your political views with your faith.

>> yeah, my granddad was a baptist preacher in south texas. i've been going to the same church since i was two years old. and now i am in seminary studying to become a minister myself. my faith means more to me than anything. my granddad taught me at a very early age that jesus gave us two commandments. love god and love neighbor. and that is exactly why i became a public school teacher on the west side of san antonio, and it is why i ran for office, out of service to my neighbors. and i know on my first day in office, i put my hand on the bible and i swore an oath to the constitution. not the other way around. my faith in jesus leads me to reject christian nationalism, reject theocracy, and commit myself to the project of a multiracial, multicultural democracy. where we can all freely love god

and fully love our neighbors. >> you know, representative, republicans have tried to own the ideas of christianity and faith. while at the same time supporting donald trump, who hawks his own branded bible. he is spiteful, a braggart, and he struggles to even name bible verses or to quote scripture. meanwhile, you have president joe biden, who goes to weekly mass. i will speak frankly. sunday christians, they exist, right? but real people of faith, that really ascribed to the principles that come from the bible, they don't actually stand for what donald trump stands for. so, how do you get across to those that may think that trump is some type of messiah for them, but really, he is not a representative of their true christian faith. >> yeah, too many christians have forgotten all about jesus, and now worship at the feet of donald trump.

a business cheap, a pathological liar, hí(hserial adulterer, a twice impeached insurrectionist, a convicted felon, and ,r@q1gicated . i guess hate the sin, elect the center. that seems to be the new model to many christians in this country. so i just try to ask myself a simple question, when i engage in this democracy, in the political process. what would jesus do? i remember when i was a kid, people walked around with those bracelets, with the letters ww jd. and i think that question is still relevant today, in this election. what would jesus do about a tax system that benefits the rich over the poor? what would jesus do about a healthcare system that forces the sick to start gofundme pages to afford life-saving surgeries?

what would jesus do about an education system that ties a child's school funding to their communities property value? these are the questions that we christians should be asking ourselves, when we walk into that voting booth this november. and i will just speak for myself. my faith leads me to support vice president harris and governor walz in this election, out of love for my neighbors. >> you know, you went viral last year for a video of you using your bible and your faith. you are speaking out against the idea of having the 10 commandments in your public school classrooms in the state of texas. take a really quick listen, i'm going to play a quick clip for our viewers right now. >> this bill, to me, is not only unconstitutional, it is not only un-american, i think it is also deeply unchristian. my concern is, instead of bringing a bill that will feed the hungry, clothe the naked, heal the sick, we are instead mandating the people put up a

poster. >> you know, representative, your state, texas, like mina florida, we are ground zero for probably 2025. it is kind of a test case for that christian nationalism. it is all through project 2025. talk about why it is important that we don't see a second trumpet ministration. >> yeah, project 2025 is rooted in christian nationalism. listen, we all know that donald trump is not religious. i doubt he has even opened the bible, not even the bibles that he is selling. but he is surrounded by religious extremists. as long as they give him power, he will give them their policies. just like he did when he overturned roe v wade. in fact, the man who is rumored to be chief of staff in a second trumpet ministration is a self-proclaimed christian nationalist. and in project 2025, they are already talking about banning abortion nationwide, banning ivf, banning contraception. some of them are even talking

about banning what they call recreational sex . i know where this is headed. they are using states like texas as a laboratory for these ideas before they take them nationwide. banning books, banning abortion, forcing teachers to display the 10 commandments, replacing school counselors with untrained religious chaplains, defunding public schools to subsidize private christian schools. we are on the verge of a theocracy in this country, and we must act with the urgency of this moment needs. >> texas state representative james talarico , it is always a pleasure to have you on the show. thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me. coming up, digital democrats. at this year's dnc made history for many reasons, becoming the very first to feature online influencers and content creators.

olivia, who spoke at the convention, talks to me not only about the youth vote, but how when they go low, she will punch right back. don't go anywhere. it's hard to explain what this feels like. moving piles of earth. towing up to 4,000 lbs. cutting millions of blades of grass. nothing compares to experiencing it for yourself. you just have to get in the seat.

last week's democratic last week's democratic national convention made history, not just by nominating the first woman of black and south asian heritage atop its party's ticket, but also for being the first convention were democrats credentialed online

influencers. undoubtedly the effort functions as outreach to gen z voters who could be pivotal in the path of the white house, with new estimates that millions of americans age of the electorate come november. joining me now is olivia julianna, political strategist. olivia, it is always good to see you. i know the national race is important, but i want to talk to about the down ballot races. especially in your state of texas. we are looking at calm and all red, he is going against ted cruz. talk about what is going on. because the state of texas politics really does influence a lot of what happens in our country. >> it really does. and if people want to know how true that is, you can just look at the speaker lineup at the dnc. there were a lot of texans on that stage, myself included. here in texas we have this incredible opportunity to flip a senate seat and to maintain control of the u.s. senate. coming from the city of texas. and the thing is, some of the people will tell you, texas isn't competitive. we are not going be able to make this flip. and to that i have to say, you

don't have to look at what the democrats are saying about texas. you have to look at how ted cruz is spending his money, and how the in rsc is getting involved in. because they are not confident he can win this race. but me as a texas democrat, as someone who is voting for colin all red, i know he can flip the seat and beat ted cruz. and ted cruz knows that, too. which is why the texas gop and republicans are working so hard try to push them over the finish line. >> olivia, you had an amazing speech at the dnc alongside others, especially, you younger folk did such a good job. as a result of being such an effective surrogate and advocate, you have received a massive amount of hate online from right-wing internet trolls. and frankly, not even just from the internet trolls. i am talking republican trolls. in response he posted the following. to be a young woman on stage at the dnc is to have millions of men across the country immediately body shame you and call you horrible things. to those men i say this, keep

it coming. i mean, olivia, why is it that the vitriol and the attacks about physical appearance seems to be the default state for republicans these days? >> well, i mean, if you look at the laws in the legislation that they put forward when it comes to women's rights, it is about controlling women. and it is about trying to make women feel small and trying to make them feel less than. they see a young woman who is very unapologetic about her beliefs who is from texas, and because they can't control me, they can control the narrative around my beliefs, they immediately tried to do what men have done throughout history, which is make women feel bad about the way they look. unfortunately for them that is not going to work for me. when i am fighting for women's very fundamental freedoms here in this country, it's not going to work. >> also during your speech you highlighted something, specifically the republican voter suppression taxes that we are seeing in texas. the texas attorney general right happened at homes of several latino rights groups

members as part of an ongoing election integrity investigation. as a texan, what you make of these voter intimidation tactics that are being betrayed by the gop, not only in texas, but in other states? >> it is desperation. that is really what it is, at the end of the day. they see the impending reality, especially here in texas, that people are sick and tired of being sick and tired. they are sick of the corruption. especially when it comes from men like ken paxton, who frankly has been under federal indictment his entire time as attorney general. and they understand that at this point the only way they can continue to win elections is by suppressing voters, by making voters feel apathetic. so they continue to do these things over and over again. and coincidentally, it always happens to be during election years that these scandals come out. >> yeah, there is no coincidence, ever. olivia julianna, i want to tell you that you are inspiration for me and countless others. thank you for tirelessly doing

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